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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast the one of these nights. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as we review Monday Night's loss in Denver, coming up

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Speaker 1: radio replays, locker room comments and postgame analysis from Dave Lappham.

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Speaker 1: Then in this week's fun Facts Conversation, you'll get to

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Speaker 1: since More NFL international games. The NFL played its first

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Speaker 1: regular season game in Ireland this weekend, as the Vikings

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Speaker 1: and Steelers squared off in Dublin. The league is playing

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Speaker 1: seven international games this year, but At a panel discussion

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Speaker 1: in Ireland over the weekend, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said

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Speaker 1: that the league eventually wants to increase that to sixteen

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Speaker 1: per year so that every team plays one. I'm here

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Speaker 1: for it. The bengals two trips to London were among

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Speaker 1: my favorite experiences as the team's radio voice, and I

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Speaker 1: look forward to Cincinnati's next international game, which seems certain

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Speaker 1: to happen in the next two years. No need for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of radio replays this week, just a few

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Speaker 1: key plays. Denver led seven to three early in the

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Speaker 1: second quarter when the Bengals made what looked like a

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Speaker 1: huge play. Crowning stops his right foot, drops straight back,

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Speaker 1: T Higgins high points the ball and catches it over

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Speaker 1: the beleaguered Riley Moss all the way down at the

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Speaker 1: Denver fourteen yard line. There's a penalty flag at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage lasag A Marius Bimms penalized. Instead of

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Speaker 1: having the ball at the Denver fourteen, the penalty on

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Speaker 1: Mims moved it all the way back to the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: forty four a forty two yard swing. It was the

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Speaker 1: most costly of eleven Bengals penalties. Denver took a fourteen

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Speaker 1: the halftime score when rookie Demetrius Knight got the first

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Speaker 1: the half. Nick's rolling right looking to throw the second

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Speaker 2: How about that played by the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: But Denver got the ball back with one oh nine

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Speaker 1: remaining and scored a backbreaking touchdown just before halftime. Nicks

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Speaker 1: left in the half, and a disastrous second quarter gets

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Speaker 1: worse for Cincinnati. The final score was twenty eight to

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Speaker 1: three Denver. After scoring on their opening drive, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are a few of Jake Browning's comments to reporters in

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Speaker 3: Very frustrating loss, and yeah, well you are a back

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Speaker 3: to work and figure out how we can be more

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Speaker 3: As far as from returnover perspective, like, yeah, we played clean,

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Speaker 3: Like when you're struggling on offense and struggling to move

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Speaker 3: have those frustration throws who're like trying to make something

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's kind of that line you have

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Speaker 3: what is my role in this? And you know, removing

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Speaker 1: So what's a change in the Bengals starting lineup is

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Speaker 1: rookie Jalen Rivers got his first started right guard. I

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Speaker 1: spoke to him after the game. Jalen, you made your

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Speaker 1: How'd you feel about, Hey, that opportunity and be how

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel great about the opportunity. You got

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Speaker 4: and of course we didn't come out with the outcome

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Speaker 1: You started well offensively, drove down the field, kicked the

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Speaker 1: How demoralizing were some of those penalties, particularly the Big

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Speaker 4: You know, things happened in football. You got to learn

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Speaker 1: Broncos have a great pass rushing front. How difficult is

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Speaker 1: How do you flash it?

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Speaker 4: Move on? You got to flich it now. I mean

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Speaker 4: we move forward to it's a short week. We move

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Speaker 4: forward to Detroit on Sunday, So when we fly back,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to know Jailing much better later in this

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Speaker 1: week's fun fact segment. The Broncos offense was excellent, finishing

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Speaker 1: One bright spot on the Bengals defense was Demitrius Knight,

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Speaker 1: She had double digit tackles and an interception tonight. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with that interception. It's a huge play at the time.

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Speaker 1: Just describe it for us.

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Speaker 5: that's why I'm ultimately why I'm here.

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Speaker 4: We're all here. But what to play?

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Speaker 5: What a way to step up and you know, get it,

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Speaker 5: try to get this out of situation. Just to create momentum.

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Speaker 5: We're not defeated yet. We're just going to the drawing board,

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Speaker 5: So people are itching to get back to where I

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Speaker 1: You're in for almost every snap, Barrett played a bunch.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you two guys grow with every

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, That's all this is is. Learn to be consistent,

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Speaker 5: knowing that you can get the play call, echo the

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Speaker 5: do your one eleventh to make sure that we can

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Speaker 1: How challenging are the Broncos to defend? Very good screen game,

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Speaker 1: good offensive line, punishing runners. Talk about that challenge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we step up for every challenge. You gotta step

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Speaker 5: up to every challenge in the NFL. All teams are.

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Speaker 5: They have their favorite play, and they have their momentum

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Speaker 4: And every week.

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Speaker 5: You gotta have a plan for We always have a plan.

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Speaker 5: We have an answer for everything. We just have to

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Speaker 5: to play if you will, and not overload our minds

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Speaker 5: and just make it simple so that everybody can play fast.

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Speaker 1: What's the touchdown with eight seconds left in the half?

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Speaker 1: A big blow because it was fourteen to three at

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Speaker 1: So you don't flitch one your only home game. You

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Speaker 6: Good team on the road. And so those are things

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Speaker 6: Keep building on it, keep building on it, and eventually

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Speaker 1: So here's how things look in the AFC Nord. The

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Speaker 1: Now time for the radio guy's recap. Tough night for

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Lap. Let's start with the offense. They've got

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Speaker 1: They just have not functioned well the last two weeks

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Speaker 1: Jalen Rivers moved into the starting lineup at right guard tonight.

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Speaker 1: go for a ton of yards. Have we reached the

437
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Speaker 1: point where you have to line him up in the

438
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Speaker 1: backfield a couple of times. You've got to do some

439
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: reverses and jet sweeps, whatever it takes to try to

440
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Speaker 1: see if you can get him the ball to make

441
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Speaker 1: a big play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

443
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Speaker 2: I mean, I like the way you think, and you know,

444
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Speaker 2: get the ball in his hands, get him involved. I mean,

445
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: he's got to be unbelievably frustrated that this guy is

446
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: one of the greatest players in the National Football League,

447
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, just a tremendous football player, one of the

448
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: best wide receivers. Is not the best that the beanngs

449
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: have ever had. I mean they do. They have to

450
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: figure out ways. If it's in the backfield, you know,

451
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: getting them some carriers, tossing the football to him, or whatever,

452
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: jet sweeps or you know, whatever the case may be. Screens,

453
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: receiver screens, middle screens, outside screens. Find ways to give

454
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Speaker 2: him the football. I mean, he's too good of a player,

455
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: he's too much of a threat. I mean, he is

456
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: the ultimate weapon. Every team in the NFL every single

457
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: year is looking for Jamar Chase in the draft or

458
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: in free agency, and we got them. We got one.

459
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: He's under contract, so we got to figure out a

460
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Speaker 2: way to use this dude and don't waste them.

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Speaker 1: This is a phenomenal locker room with a lot of leaders,

462
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Speaker 1: but the human beings, and when you take back to

463
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Speaker 1: back lopsided losses, it's hard not to splinter a little bit.

464
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Speaker 4: How do you avoid that?

465
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Speaker 1: If you're Zach Taylor and you're the captains on this team.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's natural to start questioning everything. You question yourself,

467
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: you question your teammates, You question the head coach. I mean,

468
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: what's going on? How can we not perform better than this?

469
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: What is what's what's happening? You start to question the coordinators,

470
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 2: You start to question position coach, You question everybody. You

471
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: question what you're eating. Your question how you're working out,

472
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: You question what your wife doing. You know, I mean

473
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: everything there is the question in your life. You're questioning

474
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: it because you know your life's so unsettled, because this

475
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: is what you're all about. This is your job, this

476
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: is the National Football League, grown men playing a kids game,

477
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: and you're getting paid handsomely to do it. I mean,

478
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: everybody in the world would want to have your job,

479
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 2: So you know, you're not going to spit the bid

480
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 2: on it. You're not going to give it up. But

481
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: things have to change, and they have to change quickly.

482
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are only four games into the season.

483
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Speaker 2: They're two and two. As you said, you know, I mean,

484
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: they're they're right, they're in the hunt. They just can't

485
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: they can't let the hunt get too far away from them,

486
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: whether they can't catch up to everybody that's in the hunt.

487
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Speaker 1: They didn't turn it over tonight, that's a positive. But

488
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: the penalties were killers double digit penalties in the game,

489
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Speaker 1: including four in a two minute span in the second

490
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Speaker 1: quarter when it looked like they were going to have

491
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Speaker 1: the ball at the fourteen yard line. I thought that

492
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: really swung the momentum in this game.

493
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Speaker 2: All kinds of penalties to all different types of procedural penalties,

494
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 2: you know, sloppy hands penalties, whether it's holding offense or

495
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: defensive holding, whether it's interference, pass interference, getting a little

496
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: bit too handsy, too grab you out there. I mean,

497
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, when you're struggling and you've only got three

498
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: points on the board and less than two hundred yards

499
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: and you have a big plane that comes back because

500
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: what you did, not what the defense did to take

501
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: it away from which you did to take it away

502
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: from yourself. There's no worse feeling in the world than

503
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: that when you're I mean, it's like, you know, you

504
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: haven't eaten for a week, and all of a sudden,

505
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: there's you know, a scrap of food comes your way

506
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: and you know you're almost ready to bite it, and

507
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: it's gone. You know, it's taken away from you. It's

508
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: just it's a it's a sick feeling, that's for sure.

509
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: And these guys, uh, right now. You know I've been

510
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: there walking around this locker room looking at these guys faces.

511
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know, I know. I know what

512
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: you feel, and I know what you I know what

513
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: you think, and I know what you feel like. I've

514
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: been there. The only thing that is going nobody's going

515
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: to feel sorry for you, and they shouldn't. Nobody should

516
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: feel sorry for you. Everybody's got their own problems. What

517
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: you're going to do is go back to work, grind

518
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: it out. That's what got you here. You know you're

519
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: good enough to be here. Don't question everything, go out

520
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: and play.

521
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Speaker 1: I am still very confident that Al Golden is an

522
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: excellent defensive coordinator and he's going to do a really

523
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: good job in Cincinnati. But maybe I was naive to

524
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Speaker 1: think it would happen overnight. It's a work in progress.

525
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of young guys, and boy, they

526
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: have to try to make some major strides in a

527
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: short period of time with the high scoring Lions coming

528
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: to town next week.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.

530
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Speaker 4: You know.

531
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Speaker 2: Everybody's good. I mean it's the NFL. There's no schmucks

532
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: in there, man, I mean it's everybody. Everybody's got a quarterback.

533
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Everybody's good. Everybody's got players everywhere, the skill player. Everybody's

534
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: got lineman. Again, I still think the biggest problem the

535
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 2: area for the Bengals is offensive defensive line. They have

536
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: to get that rectified, whether it be you know, trade,

537
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: whether it be free agency, you know, at the end

538
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: of this year at some point or next year, or

539
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: in the draft or in college free agency. They got

540
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Speaker 2: to get more people in here that can play football

541
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: at a high level competing.

542
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every way that you have at your

543
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: disposal to continue to improve those two units that's got

544
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: to be the priority O line and D line. Now,

545
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: it'll help when Jamar Stewart comes back. He looked really

546
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: good in the games that he played, but you're going

547
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: to have to continue to pour resources into trying to

548
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: improve those two units.

549
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

550
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, think about how they got some

551
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: of the guys they got that are playing at a

552
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: good level.

553
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: For him, you know.

554
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: Brown, you know, he he he was a free agent,

555
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: veteran free agent, Cares, veteran free agent.

556
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: You know.

557
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: They and then the lineman, and you got some rookie

558
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: guys and they're at the guard position in the draft

559
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: and they're trying to learn from these veteran guys. Veteran

560
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: guys are trying to help the younger players. I mean,

561
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: right now, it's a it's a mess. I mean, everybody is,

562
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: everybody's looking for answers and and nobody's got you know,

563
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: clear cut answers. And when you're when you're kind of

564
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: whistling and dark like that, it's a bad place to be.

565
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, Game number one thousand wasn't a great

566
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: Bengals victory, but hopefully Game number one thousand and one

567
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: will be.

568
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Speaker 2: I'm all for that, Dan, I mean appreciate. The kind

569
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: words that you had for me means a lot. You're

570
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: a great friend, a great broadcaster. You understand the game

571
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: of football. Anything you say about football, you know is

572
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: is meaningful and it means a lot to me, that's

573
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: for sure. So appreciate you and hopefully the Bengals appreciate

574
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: each other a little bit more, you know, and go

575
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: out and try to win some football games for each other.

576
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: Up next a home game against the high scoring Detroit Lions.

577
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: That's a four to twenty five kick next Sunday at

578
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: pay Course Stadium. Now time for this week's fun fact

579
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Speaker 1: segment as we get to know a fifth round pick

580
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: in this year's draft out of the University of Miami.

581
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: Time for some fun facts with rookie offensive linemen Jalen

582
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: Rivers from Jacksonville, Florida. Jalen, we learned on Draft Day

583
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: that your mother, father, and stepfather all served in the

584
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Navy for more than thirty years. How did their military

585
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: background shape your upbringing?

586
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm an upbringing as anybody would guess, you know,

587
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: come from a millerity background, strict household. Everything you learn

588
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: in discipline at a very young age since I came

589
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: off the womb. But also other than discipline, just hard

590
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 4: work and you know, is dedicated in your all into

591
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: something you want. So your goal, you have to reach it.

592
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: Nothing to be given to you, obviously, but literally them

593
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: picking me up late at night from the YMCA school,

594
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: coming from work, and then them making sure I go

595
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: to practice, do all the sports. I was a year

596
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: long athlete, basketball, football, track and field, whatever it was.

597
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: Take me to sports, making sure I do my homework, showering,

598
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 4: and just repeating that cycle every single day while one

599
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: parent was in deployment and deployment for like nine months.

600
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Speaker 4: You grow up quick because you got to be like,

601
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: you got to make sure everything's you know, straight, because yeah,

602
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: I had siblings in the house wild, but you got

603
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: to do things yourself growing up, and you got to

604
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: learn like, this is what it takes to get what

605
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 4: you want. So all that combined, you know, strict house

606
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: will make you bad. Do this. It's very militant, but

607
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade it for the world.

608
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: He told me once, you were not allowed to go

609
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: out on school nights.

610
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 4: Don't know, I was never you could ask them and

611
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: if I did shoot, I don't even know when I did.

612
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: But if it was to go to the movies, be

613
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: back at a certain time, if I did all my

614
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: homework and they trusted me, everything was done, maybe that

615
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: was rare. Though.

616
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Speaker 1: Is the Army Navy game a huge thing in your household?

617
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: Actually it's not. But because we grew up very we

618
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: watched a lot of college football, like Miami. My stepdad

619
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: was a big Miami fan, so we grew up watching

620
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: a lot of Miami Florida, Miami, Florida State, a lot

621
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: of them games. But at the same time, when Army

622
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: and Navy was playing, my stepdad my mom were kind

623
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: of following it, but it wasn't a big thing. Like

624
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: if they were playing, we're watching it.

625
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: We're visiting the Jalen Rivers. You're six sex with a

626
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: seven foot wingspan. Did you always tower over the other

627
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: kids when you were growing up?

628
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, up until I want to say, the first

629
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Speaker 4: time I saw somebody told to me or like, you know,

630
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: same height as me, maybe sixth grade maybe, and that

631
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: was my friends, my god brother, Like that's when I'm like, okay,

632
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: I was a year younger than them, actually, but we

633
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: were the same height. So we played ball together, basketball, football,

634
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: au and all that stuff. So that's the first time

635
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: I I saw a lot of people my height are

636
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: maybe taller than me. But at the same time, when

637
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: I went to school and we were at school, we

638
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: were the main ones. It was a handful of us,

639
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: but we were tall, and everybody everybody was looking up

640
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: those Oh you're so tall. Yeah, so I got that

641
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: when I was young.

642
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Did you like that or did it make your self conscious?

643
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: It never really made me self conscious. I mean it

644
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: didn't bother me at all. Actually, it's just got tiring

645
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: because everybody, even families, you know, parents' kids. It was

646
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: my whole life, how tall are you? Oh you're so tall?

647
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: How is it? How's the weather up there? That type

648
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: of joke. But I mean getting it. It's just like I

649
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: know I was tall when I started understanding that I

650
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: was tall, and people keep asking me, people keep staring.

651
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Speaker 4: So out in public, people stare or talk to you.

652
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: Now if you're wearing back in the when all that

653
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: Miami Miami stuff now Bengal stuff. They know I'm a

654
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: full player, and they even if I wasn't, if I'm

655
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: bigger than everybody, They're just asking and talking and staring,

656
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: so I'm used to it now.

657
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: And youth football, did parents of kids on the other

658
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: team express concern or wonder if you are actually too old?

659
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: No, and this is a true story. You can ask

660
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: my parents. My mom had to really bring my birth

661
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: certificate everywhere I went au and when I played Little

662
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: League in football, I had to bring my birtha everywhere

663
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: because everybody made a big deal like I was too old.

664
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: Really I was younger than their kids too, because I

665
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: was playing eight U TENU when I was a year

666
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: young and everybody maybe two years young and everybody, so

667
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, here, this is the birth certificate. True. You know,

668
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 4: I was born in Virginia. This is the certificate of

669
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: Virginia in the Commonwealth. This is my birth certificate. And

670
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: I'm this old. So they still didn't believe it though.

671
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: We're chatting with Jalen Rivers. You attended Oak Leaf High

672
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: School in Jacksonville and became one of the top offensive

673
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: line recruits in the country. It offers from Alabama, Michigan,

674
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: Penn State, you name it. Did you enjoy the attention

675
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: or did you get tired of it?

676
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: People that know me, they know I don't like attention.

677
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: I don't like the spotlight, but I've I'm used to

678
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: it now because even though I didn't like it, I

679
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: formed a you know, to I guess, embrace it at

680
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: one point in time because I'm I'm getting interviewed again.

681
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 4: Oh you know, everybody's like, you know, calling me up

682
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: to the office. My teachers like, hey, so and so,

683
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: coach is here, this school is here to see you.

684
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: So I mean, it was very fun to travel and

685
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: visit and do camps and all that, but at one point,

686
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm tired of this because I hate the attention.

687
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: Everybody's just like at school, like, oh my god, you

688
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: got offered today, and it's like yeah, but me mean,

689
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: but you know, I love I wouldn't trade it, like

690
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: I said, for anything, but I don't really like the attentioner.

691
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: You ultimately chose the University of Miami. Why the you?

692
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: It's funny because at one point it wasn't Miami wasn't

693
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: even consideration because they weren't recruiting me as hard. And

694
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: then they picked it back up towards some I want

695
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: to say, my end of my sophomore at first my

696
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: early junior year, but they just continue recruiting me hard,

697
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: and just like because at first I was about to

698
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: pick Georgia. I was about I was just close to

699
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: going to Georgia and then but Miami just kept recruiting me,

700
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: Hey can you come to this game? Hey can you

701
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: come this visit? And I kept going and you just

702
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: feel that family atmosphere. And of course the coaches that

703
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: were recruited me, some of them were still there when

704
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: I got there, but some of them weren't. But I

705
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: just still felt that I wasn't going because a coach,

706
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: but I just ever some went to you urse Miami

707
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 4: a visit. I was like, I just feel like family,

708
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: you know, oriented it just it felt like a family

709
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: atmosphere and I wanted to play it the U And

710
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: then you know it was close to home too, so

711
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: that played a factor. You know, it was Miami, Florida, Georgia,

712
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: but but Miami just stole it.

713
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: The Bangals selected you in the fifth round of this

714
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: year's draft. Described your draft weekend.

715
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: I was anxious because you know, during that draft, you

716
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: don't know when you're gonna get picked. You might have

717
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: an idea, your agent's like, oh maybe this round and

718
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: this round, but it's really a waiting game. But I

719
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: want to say I threw it was I had like

720
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: something on Friday where family just came over. During that

721
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 4: second day, second and third round, they came over and

722
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: we had like a smaller barbecue, but you know, I

723
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: was like, I might be I'm probably day three. So

724
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: but Saturday, everybody came back and we threw something. And

725
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: then it's just a waiting game. I just tried to

726
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: get my mind off everything, and you know, we had

727
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: some food food. I actually cooked mac and cheese because

728
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: I wanted to get my mind off of everything. But

729
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: I didn't want to wait, so I made mac and

730
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: cheese just you know, just with family. And then when

731
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: the fourth round started, you know, fifth round, I was

732
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: just just waiting, waiting, waiting, talking to my friend's family.

733
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 4: Then my name gets called or I get that call Cincinnati, Ohio,

734
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: and then I answered it is coach Taylor and he's

735
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 4: just talking and he's like, hey, we're gonna pick you

736
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 4: you know next. I'm like, oh my god, did I really?

737
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: I was speechless, but you know, I was just like

738
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 4: feel with gratitude at the time. And then after that call,

739
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: family has just recorded me. You know, I hate attention.

740
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: I get my hat. Then when they called my name

741
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: on the screen or put my name on the screen,

742
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: put my hat on. Just dap everybody up, hug everybody,

743
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: and then we just partied. You know, we we ate.

744
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 4: I didn't eat really that whole morning. I slept horrible

745
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: that night before because I was just my mind was

746
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: just I'm like, I need to know where I'm going

747
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: with her when I'm getting picked. But it was anxious,

748
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: but it was fun.

749
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: Your current Bank teammate Matt Lee, played with you for

750
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: one year at Miami. He said the following of everyone

751
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: I've played with, Jalen is one of the highest character

752
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: dudes ever. What does being a high character dude mean?

753
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: Do you? It means I come in every day with

754
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: a positive attitude. I never if I have a bad day,

755
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: I'm not really gonna show it because I'm here for

756
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, I want to make everybody around me better.

757
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: So if I come in you know, drowsy or you know,

758
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: with low energy, then it's not making everybody around me better.

759
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: It's not making me better. So having a high character

760
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: just doing things the right way how I was raised,

761
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: not letting anything around me, any person around me, change me.

762
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: And just I mean just being me. I mean, I

763
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: don't really want to be fake or anything like. I

764
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: just be me and if somebody likes me, I just

765
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: I just had a good opportunity when I was at

766
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: Miami or my whole life, I just been me. I

767
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: just like making people around me better. And it's just

768
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: having a positive attitude, so having a high character. Everything

769
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: I do on the field, I'm gonna do it off

770
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: the field too, you know, just being the the person

771
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: my mother raised me, my parents raised me to be.

772
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: You shared with me previously that you are into cooking,

773
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: and you mentioned in this interview that you made mac

774
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and cheese during the draft. How into it do you

775
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: watch cooking shows? Do you check out Cookbucks or recipes?

776
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: How deeply are you into cooking?

777
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: Well, my biological dad, he's a chef. He caters his

778
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: own catering business. So I never really cooked growing up

779
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 4: because I really didn't have the time. I was too

780
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: involved with sports class, you know, a year a long athlete,

781
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: doing school, I did not want to cook anything, actually

782
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: do anything else fro on my plate. So I want

783
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: to say, I just wanted to find out how to

784
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: be outside of football, and then I just started going

785
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: you know to visit my dad a lot more, and

786
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 4: then you know, he started teaching me recipes helped him

787
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: during catering events. I want to learn how to make

788
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: this because I want to make food. I don't want

789
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: to keep wasting my money buying food. So yeah, I

790
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: learned I can make really chicken, palm, any type of

791
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: post obviously braised ribs, mac and cheese, you know, shoot,

792
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: name it stuff, salmon.

793
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm salivating. Who is your all time favorite athlete

794
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: in any sport?

795
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: I want to say Kobe Bryant just obviously he's a

796
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: legend on the court, but at the same time, what

797
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: he's done for the community too. And then just being

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: from Miami, I want to say also, or not from Miami,

799
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: but going to Miami. Ray Lewis too. You know, growing up,

800
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: my stepdad loved ray Lewis, so I watched him every

801
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: single time we watched the NFL Baltimore Ravens, watched clips

802
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: of him at Miami. You know, I love what he does.

803
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: He brings that energy, and just I love being around

804
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: people that just bring that energy. You just love the

805
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: game of football. So growing up, we watched a lot

806
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: of him, and then he's came back and taught to

807
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: Miami when I was at Miami a couple of years ago.

808
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: And great person.

809
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: All right, final fun fact for Jalen Rivers. This one's

810
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of deep. If you could meet anyone in history,

811
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: living or deceased, who would that person be.

812
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm just say family, cause it's like not really anybody,

813
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: any celebrity, but like just I'm a big family god.

814
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: So like my grandpa that passed away, Like I feel

815
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: like since I would move to Florida with my mom

816
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: and my stepdad, my dad was still in Virginia. That's

817
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: my dad's dad, and I really didn't have an opportunity

818
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: to form that bond really but when I lived in

819
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: Virginia or when I went back to Virginia, we saw

820
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: each other every time I went, but like I didn't

821
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: really form that grandson and grandfather bond. And every time,

822
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: you know, I went back, it was only for like

823
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: a couple hours. So and then he passed away when

824
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: I was a freshman in high school. So it's like,

825
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, when that when he passed, I was like, dang,

826
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: but I wish he was still alive, so I can

827
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 4: you know, form that bond and you know, he would

828
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: love to see you know where I was. Even with

829
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: my mom's dad too. He passed away when I was

830
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: when I was about six seven. So yeah, I wish

831
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: my grandparents still alive so I can have this. They

832
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: can be on this ride with me.

833
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: They would both be very proud. I can promise you

834
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: that jailing this has been great and I appreciate your time.

835
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm best have left the rest of the year.

836
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: Appreciate you have a great day. Thank you.

837
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: Here's an invitation to join Dave Lapham and me for

838
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals Game Plan Show this Wednesday night at the

839
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
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Speaker 4: Okay,