1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching apps car boom Up America Doug 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports radiommmmmm A. Yes, Welcome to the 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show. And today's a day where I'm glad 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm the only individual head coach to have a national 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: radio show, so I can spreak and see to all 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: of you and C and Green Bay is gonna have 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: a good team this year, definitely. The Packers are definitely, 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: and I think the Phoenix is gonna have a pretty 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: good team this year. Let's get after It's a great 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: weekend of football. Long weekend of football started Thursday, extended 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: through yesterday, culminating last night in Bill Belichick coaching his 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: first college game as AAD coach against TCU. Don't hate 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: that you. North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent, 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: but this is like a scheduling one oh one, The 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: hardest thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: when people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: of places you have to make money and depending upon 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: the level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: not playing games where they collect checks others, but you 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: got to make money by filling up your stadium. You 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: got to pay money for some teams to come in 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: and take an l and then you have to challenge 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: yourself a little bit at a conference. But what happens 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: is there's an expression in coaching, and it's from Jerry Sloan. 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough player with Chicago Bulls. 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: He was most known for being the head coach of 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz that twice fell to Michael Jordan in 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. But the less the adage if you 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: will is if you listen to the fans, you'll become 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: one of them. Now, I don't know when that game 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: was scheduled, okay, And in reality, they have a nice 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: little soft non conference schedule in TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: Florida of the Big twelve. Probably a little bit too difficult, 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: But you should not be playing two Power five schools 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: and walking into TCU as a trap. It's a trap. 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: It just is. TCU has to do it because they 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: have to play SMU. Here's another ACC school they play 43 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Applene Christian Is there is there. But once your first 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: game in college football, you're better off playing dead bodies 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: or very slightly live bodies. To people who think Belichick 46 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing, I don't know. You got 47 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: twenty years. If you think they weren't well coached, well, 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: they marched down the field and scored on the first 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: drive and looked surgical with it. But what happens is 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: after you get after those scripted drives and you get 51 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: to real playing. It's one about talent too, about execution, 52 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: and they had neither. So you have seventy new guys 53 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: against the staff that just a couple of years ago 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: played for a national championship, won a Big twelve championship, 55 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: like they actually have you on college experience, and I 56 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: just think you have to go through it for a 57 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: year at that level to understand what you need at 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: that level in order to be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's 59 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: a friend, a personal friend of mine and a friend 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: of the show he's then a general manager. He wasn't 61 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: in college. He was, he's done college scouting, he's been 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: a general manager. He knows football. This is not attack 63 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: on his knowledge of football, but specifically what it takes, 64 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: what it looks like, what you need in order to 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: succeed at your league's level or your level of football. 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: For North Carolina, it's that they're not right now at 67 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: the uber elite. They're at that notch below to compete 68 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: with the TCU. What type of speed do you need? 69 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: What does it look like on a college field, in 70 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: a portal, in a high school field. 71 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: No. 72 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: is way too many new players, and the ones they 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: have don't appear to have enough speed. But the adaption 76 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: is going to be the key, and my guess is 77 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: because they adapted so well year after year, roster after roster, 78 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: change after change, where three four some were four to 79 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: three some. Remember early on when Brady was young, they 80 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: were just they wouldn't run the football for several of 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: those early years, they would just throw it out of 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the backfield instead of running it. Then there were times 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: when they became a power running team and the Corey 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Dillon they really ran the football. Late in Brady's career, 85 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: they became a power running team. Takes them the pressure 86 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: off him. So yeah, it starts with the quarterback. Then 87 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: you gotta have speed, and you got to have offensive 88 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: line play. But you got to know what you're looking 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: at and recruiting and when you bring in a bunch 90 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: of pro guys to college. It's harder than it looks 91 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: because it's a different game than it looks like. My 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: warning to you is this, and this is where college 93 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: football is in a good place. I don't think North 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think that 95 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: going into last night. I do think that Texas and 96 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't play 97 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought in 98 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's not 99 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: what you start out like, it's what you end like. 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Granted you gotta lose kind of three or less in 101 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: order to get it, Whereas previously it was just about 102 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: you got to be undefeated or close to undefeated. If 103 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: you want to stay you want to have a chance 104 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: at the BCS, or have a chance to play for 105 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: NASH Championship, have a chance to play in a special bowl. 106 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: That's not as important. You have to get progressively better, 107 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: but you don't always get progressively better playing a super 108 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: hard game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a 109 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: game just to get your legs under you, to build 110 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: confidence in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And 111 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: like guys look different in games than they didn't practice, 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: they just do. So take a snapshot of now with 113 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Arch Banning. Take a snap shot of now with Alabama. 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: Take a snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Alabama's schedules ridiculous. Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina 116 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: not as ridiculous. But then you have to check back 117 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: in periodically. Real coaching is continue to get better. I 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: was surprised by the fact it was a blowout. I 119 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: was in surprise they lost and it wasn't terribly close, 120 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: because you know, it's just hard. It's hard to build 121 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: a new stack. Because what happens when you build a 122 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: new staff and you pay the coach ten million dollars, 123 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: you pay the rest of the staff probably close to 124 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: six seven million dollars as well. Is if you have 125 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: ten million in REV share and then five ten million otherwise. 126 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: But again, some of that money get stopped up by 127 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It's really, really, really hard to do 128 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: business if the coaching staff is making a lot of 129 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: money if you don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money. 130 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: And I don't think Carolina is there because Carolina is 131 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: also trying to be good at basketball and some other sports. 132 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: So they're probably maybe they get thirteen million in the 133 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: REV share, probably sounds about right. Basketball got seven, they 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten. But when you're 135 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: bringing in everything new that's more expensive, and the hit 136 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: rate it is still way lower than guys you actually 137 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: know and have. So my point is that while it's 138 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: easy to kick Belichick now while he's down and go, oh, 139 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay, just to 140 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: guess guy's gonna figure it out. Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah, 141 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: but we're on a Cincinnati We are in Cincinnati. Byer 142 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: did an nowt standing job filling in yesterday. How high 143 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: is the Ohio state high from Saturday? 144 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: You know, Doug. 145 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as maybe you would 146 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: think with that opening win, it's a game that you 147 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: definitely don't want to lose. But I don't know if 148 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent thrilled with the offense. 149 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: And that's not meant to be an indictment on Julian Sayan, 150 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: who I thought played great. The running game may not 151 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: be as dynamic as last season, but again, you're going 152 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: up against the top defense in Texas. So it's a 153 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horses. And you 154 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: said something in the just a few minutes ago about 155 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: the whole process of being a coach. It's where you 156 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: are at the end of the season and not at 157 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season. And I think Ohio State 158 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: is a good example, specifically with their Oregon matchup last 159 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: year and losing that game at Eugene and Oregon rushing 160 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: the field and then having almost well it's not the reverse, 161 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: but Ohio State taking it to Oregon and the Rose 162 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: Bowl in the game that ultimately really did matter. So 163 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately, is 164 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 165 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games 166 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of 167 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: new players. It's really early and I thought o'hig sleet 168 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: looked great. They also have a former NFL coach as 169 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas, 170 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: and Texas won in Ohio State won the Battle up Front, 171 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: just like Florida State won the Battle up Front with Alabama. 172 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 173 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 174 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 175 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out the brand new YouTube channel 176 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: for the show. Hey, go to YouTube dot com slash 177 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: at Doug Gottlieb Show. If you're already on YouTube, just 178 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: searched Doug Gottlieb Show, hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there, 179 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: hit the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let me 180 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: know how incredible my takes are. Go check out our 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: brand new YouTube channel again, just search Doug Gottlieb Show 182 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: and subscribe. Alabama wasn't great. Thought they were gonna come 183 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: back and win the game against Florida State. Flora State 184 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: changed quarterbacks from last year, brought in a kid who 185 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: beat them at at Boston College. They won two games, 186 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: and Floria State ends up getting a win. But again, 187 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: my issue is with scheduling. You know, they have Wisconsin 188 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: at home in a couple weeks, and if you look 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: throughout most not all, most of Nick Saban's career, when 190 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: playing eight conference games, they played one Power five non 191 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: conference game and almost never went on the road, true 192 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: road game. All you gotta do is go back and look. 193 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: So I have no idea when this game was scheduled. 194 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't maybe uh, maybe Sam, you could look it up. Okay, 195 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: but they play at Florida State, Louisiana, Monroe, Wisconsin. 196 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 5: Uh. 197 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: Then after week off they played Georgia on the road 198 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: in Athens, Vanderbilt at home at Missouri Tennessee, at home 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: at South Carolina, LSU, Illinois, Eastern Illinois, than at Auburn. 200 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: And I know how fans think. Fans like, oh, you 201 00:11:53,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: gotta go play to Bay play Tobodio. What hey by Yeah, buddy, dude, 202 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: you have no idea what you have? Most of these 203 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: teams have no spring game. You got all new players, 204 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: and you're going to open the road open on the 205 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: road at Florida State. Like that's just dumb. I know 206 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: I did dub scheduling. Right, I've done dumb scheduling. I'm 207 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: trying to fix it for years to come. Nick Sabans 208 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: last year opened up at Middle Tennessee State played Texas 209 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: at home because they played a home and home in 210 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: Texas at South Florida. Right, that's the only road game 211 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: they're playing at South Florida, Like, we ain't playing a 212 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,479 Speaker 1: game we can lose on the road. And then Chattanooga, 213 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, pick a year, pick at Nick Sabing year 214 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: and if they played a season opener and that only 215 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: happened a couple of times, it would be a neutral site, 216 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: like when it was Louisville twenty eighteen open neutral site. 217 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: Louisville beat the pants off Louisville. Right. Then they played 218 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: Arkansas State at Old. The other non conference games Louisiana 219 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: which is really Louisiana, Lafayette, and the Citadel. I understand 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: what fans say, you gotta play somebody. They lost to 221 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Florida State on the road in the first week of 222 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the season. Okay, okay, yeah, Florida State was a disaster 223 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: last year. Year before they undefeated, So my guess is 224 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: they threw a ton of money at the problem to 225 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: try and fix it and look pretty good. But that 226 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: was a scheduling loss. That's a mistake. That was somebody, 227 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: somebody's ego. I don't think it was Saban, but could 228 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: have been Saban or could no one's schedules that way, 229 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: you won't play Florida State, great, play them in a 230 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: neutral site, yes. 231 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: Dampier, Doug. 232 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: It was Halloween of twenty nineteen when we found out 233 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: Florida State and Alabama would be playing a home and 234 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: home series that started in twenty twenty five. The return 235 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: trip for the Knowles to travel to Tuscaloosa will be 236 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: next season, but Doug, it won't be the first weekend 237 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,119 Speaker 2: of the year. It'll be September nineteenth of twenty twenty. 238 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Six, Right, that's smart. And then the Wisconsin game was 239 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: do we know that was probably scheduled years and years 240 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: in the past as well, This scheduling disaster. And look, 241 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: you can sit there and go like, well, no, dude, 242 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: is scheduling disaster. They all do it, and they do 243 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: it because they're smart. Opening the year it sounds great 244 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: like we're doing it this year like dummies. Like my 245 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: brother's like, what are you doing? Why are you opening 246 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: at Kansas. It's literally a one and one hundred thousand 247 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: chance of winning that game. Now, look, us in Kansas 248 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: is different than Alabama and Florida State. I understand, okay. 249 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: And when that game was scheduled, normally Alabama would have 250 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: a huge number of returners and some they did have 251 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: some returners, but it was that's before the portal, that's 252 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: before nil, that's before everything. The whole sport has changed. 253 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: And you walk into now a schedule where they're if 254 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: we think every team in the SEC can beat them, 255 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: that's fair. That's eight games. Vanderbuilding at home is one 256 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: that you think, all right, we should be in pretty 257 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: good shape. Outside of that, can lose any one of 258 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: those games. And they lost to Vandy last year. Yeah, 259 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: so then you got you got so that's eight, and 260 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: then you got Wisconsin and Florida State. It's too hard. 261 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: It's too hard. You have to build up confidence in 262 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: your crew, and every level is different, and some levels 263 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: like mine, like we have to make money, so we 264 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: had to play money games. But you gotta space them out. 265 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: You got to give your kids a chance, otherwise you're 266 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: just gonna take l's and then you beat up their 267 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: confidence and then when they play a team at or 268 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: below their level, they're so beaten up, they're not there, 269 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: they don't even know what what they're looking at. So 270 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: my issue is like, wait, why are they playing Florida 271 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: State and Wisconsin the same year? Dumb. 272 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: I'll give you something else interesting, Doug, that I thought 273 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: transpired in the Texas Ohio State game. Here's the reason 274 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: why I kind of thought that both teams were playing 275 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: it close to the vest was that a close loss 276 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: doesn't hurt them, doesn't kill them. And the only reason 277 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: I say that is because Boise State got so much 278 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: mileage last year from their close game against Oregon. And 279 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: I understand that Boise State in Texas and Ohio State, 280 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: we're not talking about the same schools here, but when 281 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: you're trying to build your resume to a committee, that 282 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be flawless. If your Texas and you said, 283 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: we went to the shoe opening weekend Ohio State right now, 284 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, top five school. We ended up playing to 285 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: them within a touchdown or had opportunities to win, Like 286 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: it was just it almost felt like a little bit 287 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: during the game that neither team was like, we just 288 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: can't let this get out of hand, we can't lose 289 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: by fourteen points on the road because we just have 290 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: to kind of keep this. Not saying Texas wasn't playing 291 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: to win, but I just didn't see either team taking 292 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: tons of chances to try to do something drastic, and 293 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 2: it kind of just popped up in my mind throughout 294 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: that Yeah, if you play a close game in week 295 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: one against the top three or top five team, it's 296 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: probably not going to kill you in the college football playoff. 297 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. But but again, think of Alabama now, 298 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: and because it's kind of standalone weekend, it's a big game. 299 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Florida State's trying to prove themselves all those things. It 300 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: just you know, you're your own one and and many 301 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: sports radio stations, many TV shows, and a lot of 302 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: online people over the weekend, you know, because you worked 303 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: over the weekend, you worked yesterday. I'm sure you guys 304 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: talked about it, which is, oh, what do we do 305 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: with Kalen. Debor continues this huh ah, Like, dude, it's 306 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: one game into his second year. Saban got out for 307 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: a reason, right, Saban got out for a reason, got 308 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: out for reason. Okay, let me also debunk something I've 309 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: heard well, you know you can bring next Dame bac Calyndi. 310 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Boor has a seventy million dollar buyout his staff conservatively 311 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: ten more likely twenty million dollars in buyouts with their 312 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: deals the roster twenty five million dollars minimum. Okay, so 313 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: we're at one hundred and fifteen mil right, just to 314 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: get a new staff. And you're like, wait, why did 315 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: you calculate how much the players cost? Because if you 316 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: get a new staff, you'll get a mostly new roster. 317 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: And to get a mostly new roster it costs way 318 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: more than keeping your own roster, and you'd get to 319 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: do with freshman. Freshman aren't gonna win for you. So 320 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: you're talking, and so a new staff would be in 321 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: the twenty five to thirty million dollar range, and then 322 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: you probably got to pay the same for new roster. 323 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: So now you're looking like one hundred and sixty million dollars. 324 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: You don't have that, And all these people are like, oh, 325 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: Alabama has that, No they don't. That's one reason Saban left. 326 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: They have a lot of money, they make a lot 327 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: of money. They do not have Texas money, they do 328 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: not have Georgia money. They do not have a and 329 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: m money. And even if they did, they're not gonna 330 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: spend one hundred and fifty million dollars to tell a 331 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: guy not the coach after he's coached. I don't know, 332 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: thirteen games thirteen games, So I just that that to 333 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: me feels like dumb, dumb talk. The we could just 334 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: bring back Saban. He walked away for a reason, and 335 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 1: you're starting to see the reason. The other thing is, 336 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how many teams are gonna win double 337 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: digit games unless you have an outstanding year. It's hard. 338 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: That league is ridiculous. And then you schedule two Power 339 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: five non cons. That's just dumb, just dumb. Okay, let's 340 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: bring in John min o'caff three an ounce the podcast. 341 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Of course, he's on the Volume podcast network. You see 342 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: him sometimes and I heard you hear him weekly here 343 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Would you have traded Michael Parsons? 344 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 5: Yes, I would have. I mean in the Cowboys situation obviously. Ideally, 345 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 5: you know, you go into the draft, whether you're drafting 346 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 5: one or whether you're drafted in the twenties, to find 347 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 5: guys like Mike Parsons and then extend them. But I 348 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 5: think in the Cowboys situation, they had their window when 349 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 5: he was on his rookie contract, didn't live up to it. 350 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 5: They're paying the quarterback way too much money, and you know, 351 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 5: this was a pivot. Now you could argue, if you're 352 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 5: going to reset or to make this type pivot, the 353 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 5: move would have been to do it before the draft. 354 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 5: But I also hear that a lot of people are like, well, 355 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 5: Jerry got pleased, he could have got way more. No, 356 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 5: the NFL is not the NBA, but in situations like this, 357 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 5: it does have an NBA feel to it because the 358 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 5: player no one's trading. The Packers wouldn't have made this 359 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 5: deal unless Michael Parsons signs. So even if someone else 360 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 5: was willing to trade more let's say two to one 361 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 5: to two and a player, well, if he didn't like 362 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 5: their contracting, like the Packers won more, that team's not gonna, 363 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 5: you know, make the deal. So I think there were 364 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 5: a lot of variables here. I also think that Micah 365 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: Parsons is he's being cockadile, like he's Reggie White or whatever. 366 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 5: He's a really good player and he'll help the Packers, 367 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 5: but you know, definitely a risky move for everyone in bold. 368 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: Okay, if you're the Packers, would you made the movie? 369 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? Because one give up two to one. He is 370 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 5: a guy that could have back to back years of 371 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 5: fifteen to eighteen sacks, his ability to pressure the quarterback. 372 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 5: And I got Gudakins, you know, I watched his press 373 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 5: conference whatever that was Thursday or Friday. He's right, like, 374 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 5: you just don't get that many opportunities to get a 375 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 5: player like this, and literally they do not because they're 376 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 5: always right. Even if they get bounced in the first round. 377 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 5: They're shills drafting twenty three or twenty four, and they've 378 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 5: taken some swings like this kid from Iowa that wasn't 379 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 5: even starter. It just didn't work out. Now, I think 380 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: the big picture question mark here is this is a 381 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 5: high end player that has a flaw that other guys 382 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: at his position just simply do not. Like you don't 383 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 5: run at Max Crosby, you didn't run at Khalil Mackott, 384 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: like the game plan, you don't run away from Micup 385 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: because that's when he does his best work because he's 386 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: such a in the run game, because he's such a 387 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 5: good athlete, he can chase you down. You run at 388 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 5: him and I you know, I think that is the 389 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 5: question mark that some people in the NFL would say, Hey, 390 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 5: you know, you're giving Exit the amount of dollars, but 391 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 5: like whether they gave him one hundred and twenty five 392 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: guaranteed or one hundred and thirty five guaranteed. Whatever given 393 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: the picks has zero impact on them this year. I 394 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 5: do think the locker room stuff, you know, I text 395 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 5: immediately a bunch of gms what they thought, and the 396 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 5: one thing that kept coming up is the Packers really 397 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 5: for thirty years, you know, we can nitpick Aaron all 398 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 5: we want. Their their culture internally has been pretty solid 399 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 5: for a long long time, and they do it the 400 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 5: right way. The organization, the team, the roster, the coaches. 401 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 5: The Cowboys are a little like you know they It's 402 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 5: not like every time I went to the gym the 403 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 5: last couple of weeks, maybe because Miami was playing Notre 404 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 5: Dame they had the the U thirty on, but you 405 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 5: know how the U was just kind of like Jimmy 406 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: just kind of let him be, you know, Dennis Erickson 407 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 5: just like do whatever you want. The Cowboys are a 408 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 5: little like that. I honestly going back to the nineties 409 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: and that is not really the way the Packers operate. 410 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 5: So now you bring in this guy who comes from 411 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: a different culture, who you know, got a little into himself. 412 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 5: That's not really the Packers operation really, especially with this 413 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 5: current team they have. So they're giving up a big 414 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 5: time team leader in Kenny Clark for a guy that 415 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 5: can be I think a little bit of a wild card, 416 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 5: not like militious or anything, but it's there's a lot 417 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 5: of pressure on him now to dominate. And you're not 418 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: getting red, you white, but you are getting a very 419 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 5: natural elite edge rusher. 420 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: How much would you play him considering they play two 421 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: games in five days? 422 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 5: Well, do you think that he is the back thing 423 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: that he's playing this out so he just doesn't look 424 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 5: like a bad guy for the Cowboys situation? Or is 425 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 5: the back thing real? 426 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I know, I've talked to 427 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: one of the Packers doctors. He can talked about Micah specifically, 428 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: but he's like, we wouldn't play a guy, we wouldn't 429 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: clear a guy if he wasn't good enough. 430 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 5: You know, well exactly, and you know you don't know 431 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: the guy you know, And for the most part, let's 432 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 5: face it, at the highest level of players, non quarterbacks, 433 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 5: guys like Michael Parsons, unless they have a catastrophic injury. 434 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: He's gonna make one hundred and eighty million dollars. He's 435 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 5: next for you. He's gonna see every penny, So you 436 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: don't risk you know, week one, game one us first. 437 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 5: You know, he's been there for a week for the 438 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 5: next couple of years, right, So to me, if he plays, 439 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: he's good to go. I think he'd have to be 440 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 5: pretty careful early on because also we've seen in just 441 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: in recent history, regardless of who you are, I mean, 442 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 5: the forty nine ers had about ten of them for 443 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: five straight years that that guy didn't this all year. 444 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 5: It's not quite ready for the season. So I think 445 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: you try to see like the forest before you see 446 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 5: the trees, right and understand like this is about Mica 447 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 5: being in greater role in November and December more than Okay, 448 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 5: it would suck to lose Week one, but this isn't 449 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight college football. It doesn't ruin your season 450 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 5: like you got to, like you said, the short week. 451 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 5: The following week, Yeah, I think that you'd be very 452 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 5: careful with him this week. But it's hard because you're 453 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 5: playing the Lions, who he's view as you know, I mean, 454 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 5: they're like you're equals the team you're trying to beat 455 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: the team. You're trying to get what they have, the 456 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 5: division championship. That thing with football, it's like, you know, 457 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: the NBA, it's easy, Like I give them two weeks off. 458 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 5: Like that's not really how football players, football coaches, football 459 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 5: staffs think. 460 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: Help me out here, Arch Banning, what did you think 461 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: going in before he ever played it down? What'd you think? 462 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 5: I remember a couple of years ago. And I'm not 463 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 5: just saying this to try to act like some genius, 464 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: but if you just I remember watching his New Orleans 465 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 5: like highlights in high school, and I've worked in college football. 466 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 5: I mean I watched this sport religiously. Have a pretty 467 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 5: good idea. When you just see a guy spinning it, 468 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 5: you go dam I mean, say what you want about Caleb, 469 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 5: you watch him spin it, you go the kick and 470 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 5: throw the rocks. I remember watching Arch in that green 471 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 5: uniform whatever high school he was in New Orleans thinking 472 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 5: it doesn't really have that great of an arm. But 473 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: neither did Taytan, right, so it's like, oh, maybe he's 474 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 5: a little ball like Peyton's, but then a generational quarterback prospects. Well. 475 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: When I think that, I think size and big time 476 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: arm spring. He's obviously a really good athlete, but he 477 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 5: does not throw the ball that well. And when you 478 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 5: look at his uncles, Eli had a big time arms, 479 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 5: couldn't move, but he had a big arm. Peyton did 480 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 5: not have a big arm, but he was incredibly accurate, 481 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 5: and his fundamentals were elite. When you watch Arch, you know, 482 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 5: this isn't like they're throwing. This isn't bright Underwood. It's 483 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 5: something for refreshiman, Like he's been in the program now 484 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: for a minute, and his fundamentals were pretty crappy. Now 485 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: playing an elite team with a bunch of NFL guys, 486 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 5: but just arm talent not great. It's not as good 487 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 5: as quinn yours that fast. 488 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. I mean again, I thought it was more 489 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: of the fundamentals breaking down than anything else. 490 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: But we'll say maybe the fundamentals are better. His arm 491 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 5: looks a little more explosive, you know, because going back 492 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 5: to high school he could get You know, guys can change. 493 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 5: It's seventeen eighteen ninety. Maybe he's stronger now. But I 494 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: saw on arm that I didn't think, you know, for 495 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 5: goud get relative to the heights right when you say, hey, 496 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: there's never been a guy like Zion in dude, and 497 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 5: then you watching the dude, got damn, this guy looks unique, right, 498 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 5: And that's what we hear about. You know, in basketball, 499 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 5: typically they may not be a good basketball player, but 500 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 5: like you can see the physical elements. You can see 501 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 5: them run and jump. That's that's all I was evaluating 502 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: arch On, not necessarily like did he at pools or 503 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 5: throw a pick? I didn't even care. I just wanted 504 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 5: to see the physical tools and the physical tools running 505 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 5: me a good athlete. But the arm is I think 506 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 5: we were expecting I don't know, Josh Allen or something. 507 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 5: It is not bad. 508 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: Uh. What do you think of Belichick and them getting 509 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: blown out last night? 510 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 5: Man as rough Knight? 511 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 512 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is I immediately text a 513 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 5: buddy who's like a GM in college football, and he's like, 514 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 5: you know, in fairness, when a coach and you know this, 515 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 5: like when a coach gets fired now, especially at a 516 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 5: program like UNC that had good players on the roster 517 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 5: before Bill even shows up, a bunch of guys are 518 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 5: going so his roster to turnover the talents, Like he 519 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 5: doesn't get to control that much of it. But like 520 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 5: the Freddie Kitchens things, how you know this in college football, 521 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 5: unlike the NFL, I can't steal coordinators right to make 522 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 5: them my coordinator. In college you can. We helped Ohio 523 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 5: State lost their defensive coordinator after winning the Natty. Depend 524 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 5: State couldn't Bill, they're gonna tail this money for football? 525 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 5: Would he want to go get a sweet coordinator? I 526 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: was listening to column this morning. He's like, well, Bill 527 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 5: kind of told you recently, like he doesn't go outside 528 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 5: the family. Well, it's not like Kitchens was even inside 529 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 5: the family. But gott he's he's very unafraid to be uncomfortable. 530 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: And part of college football is like, you know, this 531 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 5: guy's got Lincoln Riley's brother, this guy's got this guy's 532 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 5: like he's just saving forever. It's like Bill has no 533 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 5: chance at this level because the other thing in the 534 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 5: ACC is like Miami, Florida State and Clemson have some 535 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 5: cash and obviously they got guys that can recruit and 536 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 5: land NFL guys. Like those programs are real and they 537 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: have been for a while especially you know Clemson in 538 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 5: Florida State a couple of years ago. But that conference 539 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 5: is not Sometimes and I'm guilty of this too, It's 540 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: like, all right, conference sucks, Well maybe it doesn't. And if 541 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: your offensive coordinators Freddie Kitchens, uh, I don't know. Now 542 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 5: this the rock. This is the college football, not the NFL. 543 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 5: So like the guys on this team are the guys 544 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 5: on this teams? Week one? Didn't they have Maybe you 545 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 5: fell asleep. I wouldn't have blamed you, just they had 546 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 5: a little like happing out quitting them the last quarter. 547 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 5: Now you're down big. But it felt like these guys 548 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: did not want to play. That is not Belichick. 549 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: Uh No. But again, I I think I think there's 550 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: a lot to it. I think he there's a lot 551 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: of guys that hadn't played for him, hadn't played at 552 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: that level. It's a new team, and I yeah, I 553 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: also think you know Kitchens was there last year, right, 554 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: and so he's been around a lot, mostly mostly in 555 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: the pro game, only recently in the college game. I 556 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: just think it's one year and we can make a 557 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: big deal about coordinators. They didn't have good enough players. 558 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 5: Look, it looked like peak Alabama Saban Dynasty versus UC Davis. 559 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 5: I mean it was it wasn't even close. I mean 560 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 5: you left that game. You didn't need to be some 561 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 5: college GM to go. How many guys on UNC what 562 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 5: started for TCU. It's closer to zero than it is five? 563 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would I would agree with that number 564 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: close to zero than be five. Hey, great stuff as always, 565 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, John, appreciate joining us. 566 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 567 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 568 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: Everyone to try Olympic sport. Paralympic sport. Try fencing. It's fast, safe, 569 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: easy to start. Find a beginner class near you at 570 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: USA Fencing dot org or slash try Fencing. That's USA 571 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: Fencing dot Org. Slash try Fencing. Well, let's get to 572 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: a game with Dan Buyer. 573 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 4: This is game time on the Doug Guy. 574 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: With iHeart Radio app, you can stream us wherever you 575 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: happen to be catching us and all of our Fox 576 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven to dow 577 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: and improved iHeart Radio app. Just searched Fox Sports Radio 578 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: on the app to stream us live every day. Be 579 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: sure she got Fox Sports Radio is one of your 580 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: presets in the app and always up up on top 581 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: of your screen. Dan Byer, what's the game, Doug? 582 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: The game today is rank them? Alright, football is in 583 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: the air. We start out to Doug, rank your top 584 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: three teams in college football as Week one has now 585 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: come to a conclusion. 586 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna go with college football my number one 587 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: team in the country. I'm gonna go with LSU number one, 588 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: Ohio State two, and I'll go. 589 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: With the. 590 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: I'll go with Georgia three. 591 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: Okay, Georgia wow, Yeah. 592 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: The other two. Obviously, it's a reward for winning a game, right, 593 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: a big game. LSU's win at Clemson is winning the 594 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: weekend on the road, top ten team, but honestly it 595 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: look great, especially defensively. And then Georgia is more just 596 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: on my best guess, best. 597 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: Guess, and Ben's steak gets penalized because they played an 598 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: opponent in Nevada with the same color scheme, so it 599 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: just looked pretty boring in the in Happy Valley on Saturday. 600 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: All right, Doug, rank your favorite Mannings, your favorite Mannings 601 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: bunch to choose from. 602 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll still I'll go Arch three. 603 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: Archie three, Archie three, all right. 604 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, RCHI three, ELI two and the sheriff one. 605 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: All right. 606 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know if Cooper would have gotten in there, 607 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: Cooper funny or even a Rick Manning reference, you know 608 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: from from the nineteen eighties in Major League Baseball, Danny Manning, 609 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: Danny Manning and the Miracles. Would you change it if 610 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: you realized Danny Manning was was involved in this? 611 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yes you would replace Archie? 612 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: All right, Danny Manning? Can it? Number three? 613 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: Doug, rank your top three Super Bowl contenders entering this 614 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: NFL season. 615 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: Packers at three, Eagles at two, Chiefs at. 616 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 3: One, not believing in the drop off. 617 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 2: Revenge tour, and Green Bay is gonna have a good 618 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: team this year apparently apparently one of the top three. 619 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: President Trump, according to Doug Gottlieb, Trump. 620 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: By the way, very much alive. This is where like 621 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: social media. I remember social media declaring Joe Biden dead, 622 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: then he's alive, and then all weekend it's like we 623 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: haven't seen him. 624 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: I saw Trump also take a little shot at the 625 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 2: Crimson Tide in announcing a space deal in Alabama today. 626 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: Tommy Tuberville was there, and Tumberville reminding everyone that Alabama 627 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: or that Auburn one and Alabama lost, So you have 628 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 2: that Doug rank your top three NFL. 629 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: Tommy Tumberrill remind people that when he left Texas Tech, 630 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: he was he had players on an official visit was 631 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: at dinner and Irish exited and then went to what 632 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: Cincinnati is the Cincinnati that far? I want to say 633 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, he literally left left during dinner. Hey, whatever 634 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: happened to coach? I don't know. And then the next 635 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: day coaches trying on a new hat. 636 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: That Senator Tubberville to you, what is the what was 637 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: the rank your top three NFL MVP candidates Josh Allen 638 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 2: the winner last year. 639 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'll do Herbert at three, Lamar at two, 640 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: I'll do uh Jalen Hurts at one. Okay, And I 641 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: know that you and I think part of it is 642 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's a top three or 643 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: four quarterback, but he keeps winning and he does all 644 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: the little things. If they have a big year replacing 645 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: another coordinator, I think he'll get a lout of the acclaim. 646 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 3: I really like that. 647 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: That's a that's a good selection because it's well thought out. Finally, Doug, 648 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: your top three moments of this past summer. I know 649 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: it's still summer, but it's. 650 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: Not Labor Day. Yeah, no more white pants. Sorry, sorry 651 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Jay Stu. 652 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 3: Even top moment top moment of the summer was. 653 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: Top moment of the summer my daughter playing on stage 654 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: with Darius Rucker. I think that one's a. 655 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: Pretty good one for game time. 656 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 4: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 657 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: What did you love from the weekend? What'd you hate 658 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: from the weekend? Plus Oregon and Oaklahm mistake going back 659 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: and forth. We'll get to that next to The Doug 660 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show.