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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot Com, joined by Lance Meadow.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmulcole's all presented by cores Light two, one, nine,

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Speaker 1: four or five on three. Hashtag giants Chat on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get in touches us that way,

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Speaker 1: you certainly can. The second day of O t AS

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Speaker 1: took place today Yesterday, Lance and Paul with you theyd

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Speaker 1: little bit about what happened during media availability yesterday, which

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Speaker 1: was after at least a player session was after the show. Lance.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing very well. How things for you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing? Okay. Let me just run through real quick

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Speaker 1: with afterhen to practice day before we get the media

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Speaker 1: bails yesterday, And of course you can check out the

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Speaker 1: exclusive report on giants dot com. Whatever that's posted. I

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Speaker 1: just submitted about five minutes before the show start. I

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Speaker 1: give you a brief synopsis. Now from my notes, Uh,

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Speaker 1: second straight day was very windy. It was much cooler

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Speaker 1: course it was in the mid eighties. Um, now we

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Speaker 1: wind affects the quarterbacks players. So I think for the

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Speaker 1: second straight day you had, you know, the wind affecting

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Speaker 1: some of the throws by the quarterbacks, some balls that

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Speaker 1: I think hit the ground that would normally hit the ground. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there were some really good throws by the quarterbacks. ELI

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Speaker 1: had Stirling Shepard during team sessions on a perfect deep

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Speaker 1: had a great play where he kind of stepped up

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Speaker 1: which I thought it was a really good play. Once again,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden O'Shane Zimenez and Cream Martin were active in

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Speaker 1: times and running pass h B. J. Hill was disrupted

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that I saw. It got a

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Speaker 1: brings some much needed entergy. G on a random spring

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Speaker 1: O T A day where you get guys going a

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Speaker 1: little bit by having a little back and forth. That

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Speaker 1: but I just found today that Jabill Peppers and Evan

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Speaker 1: take so much out of it. I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: here in great quarterback play for you because well, all right,

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Speaker 1: welcoming forward to that, but go ahead. I'm sorry you didn't,

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Speaker 1: but tremendous. Yeah, Look, I'm not trying to criticize anybody

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Speaker 1: just put it this way. I would take very much

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Speaker 1: on how they quote unquote great out players during practices. Um,

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Speaker 1: think it's just generally tough. Sometimes you know exactly what's

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Speaker 1: on the roster. To relax, Let's not make this out

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Speaker 1: to be life and death. That's it. That's all I

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Speaker 1: got for today. Well, I mean, I think everybody is

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Speaker 1: yearning for information at this point in the off season.

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Speaker 1: It's understandable. So to your point, that's why I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of information out there. And yes, editors

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Speaker 1: don't think we're naive. We understand that same thing when

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Speaker 1: we've got mock drafts in February, of course. So you

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Speaker 1: all need to just put things in perspective when you

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Speaker 1: read it, when you consume it, and understand that context

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Speaker 1: is a big part of the conversation. But also, and

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Speaker 1: as I brought up in yesterday's program, and I'll re

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Speaker 1: emphasize it again, John, And this is not so much

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Speaker 1: of productivity, but I think right now is of the now.

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Speaker 1: We're focusing on what's going on at O t S.

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Speaker 1: I would like people to look back in the archives

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Speaker 1: you revisit the conversations and the analysis that everybody went

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Speaker 1: crazy over of the second got A in the midst

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Speaker 1: of May. So it's all relative to the time that

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Speaker 1: we're in right now when I get it. But big picture,

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Speaker 1: all that's happening now is imported from the coaching standpoint,

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Speaker 1: from the player's standpoint in terms of development, getting reps

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Speaker 1: misses a pass, runs a wrong route, now, is it

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Speaker 1: ultimately going to have some connotation on what transpires in

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Speaker 1: week six or week seven. I would not necessarily go

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Speaker 1: especially for veterans exactly. You know, I'm not gonna lose

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Speaker 1: my mind the veteran they're doing. If I see a

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Speaker 1: And I find it interesting. Do I pass judgments based

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to go about things anyway. Media, yesterday, Lance,

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Speaker 1: we had a couple of people of different people talk um.

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Speaker 1: The main attraction was Eli Manning the first time we

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Speaker 1: And guys, this is very simple. Eli Man is gonna

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Speaker 1: start the year as the starting quarterback. Okay, in camp

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Speaker 1: Let's let's just relax a little bit. I still remember

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Speaker 1: everybody thought Davis Webb looked great last summer, and then

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Speaker 1: I mean, according to the early results, ELI has got

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Speaker 1: So take that for what it's worth. People. I don't

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Speaker 1: going to mentor Daniel Jones. From what I've been told,

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Speaker 1: but John this offseason, the dialogue now has been and

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Speaker 1: that's why I think it's relative and it's somewhat of

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation because really, things to me were completely

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Speaker 1: the gist of his conversation, which, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that at all. Now the narrative became, well,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco shouldn't say that he should be opened and

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Speaker 1: actually John refreshing what Joe Flacco said. You know, for once,

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Speaker 1: percent of Sam Bale said he doesn't worry about the

429
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Speaker 1: shoulder anymore. Is the first time we really got a

430
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Speaker 1: chance to talk to him. Quiet kid, but a quiet confidence.

431
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Speaker 1: Says he believes he can hold onto that starting cornerback job.

432
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Speaker 1: Obviously he's been with the ones next to Genorris Jenkins

433
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Speaker 1: at the start of camp, DeAndre Baker might have something

434
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Speaker 1: to say about that before all of a sudden, and

435
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Speaker 1: then those competition absolutely and uh, you know, he has

436
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Speaker 1: a good frame, He looks like a corner and Pat

437
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: Shermer was very complementary of what he saw in terms

438
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Speaker 1: of his movement skills. And you know, he said last

439
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: year it was weird not playing. It was the first

440
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 1: time he really ever suffered a major injury. But he's

441
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Speaker 1: ready to go this year and he hasn't missed any

442
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Speaker 1: reps in practice so far. And we'll see if he

443
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Speaker 1: can uh make the Giants look smart for using that

444
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Speaker 1: third round supplemental pick on him last summer. Well, he's

445
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Speaker 1: already been extremely active in the early stages of O

446
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Speaker 1: t S, which is encouraging. And he was able to

447
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Speaker 1: deflect the pass yesterday that Tavil Peppers ultimately picked off.

448
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Speaker 1: So when you look at that, you see that the

449
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: confidence is there. And the other thing that he was

450
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: asked about was, well, you know the pads are not

451
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Speaker 1: on right now, how do you mentally prepare for that hit?

452
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: And a lot is going to be told once he

453
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Speaker 1: actually does get in the midst of training camp. But

454
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Speaker 1: so far, so good. I think it's really encouraging to

455
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Speaker 1: see him running around considering you know, he was limited

456
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Speaker 1: last year because of that shoulder in then re Members

457
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Speaker 1: and Zeitler both spoke and they just, you know, you

458
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Speaker 1: look at him, like, all right, here an offensive line,

459
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Speaker 1: and I get it. You know, you can fit three

460
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Speaker 1: Lance Meadows inside of one. Heaven Zeitler, I mean, the

461
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: guy is holy cow, and Remembers is not a small

462
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Speaker 1: guy either, So I think those two guys will do

463
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: a really nice job stabilizing the right side of that

464
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Speaker 1: offensive line. Zelerka played at all pro level remers I

465
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Speaker 1: think should be solid and maybe not fantastic, especially in

466
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Speaker 1: pass pro, but it will certainly be an improvement and

467
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: the Giant should really know what they're getting out of

468
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Speaker 1: that offensive. I remember every year Lance, we're like, oh, well,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, how well, how much better it's Flowers gonna get?

470
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Speaker 1: Can Bobby Hard hold it together? What are they gonna

471
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Speaker 1: do here? You know, you don't have that many questions

472
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Speaker 1: like you used to, which is nice. Well, you have

473
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Speaker 1: two proven veterans, John, I think that's the biggest difference

474
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Speaker 1: some of those other players you mentioned. We're still young,

475
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Speaker 1: up and coming players. So the difference is you're not

476
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Speaker 1: necessarily going to get all pros. Nobody's claiming that time

477
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Speaker 1: will tell, but you know that you're gonna get some consistency,

478
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna get guys that have seen a lot

479
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Speaker 1: throughout the course of their NFL careers. And you know,

480
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Speaker 1: my other takeaway was both of those guys are very

481
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Speaker 1: easy to talk to, very forthcoming in terms of, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: having a conversation, not necessarily giving you the cliche answers

483
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Speaker 1: when they're asked questions. You know, Members for example, was

484
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Speaker 1: asked about the ankle injury that he dealt with at

485
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Speaker 1: this time last year, right before training camp, right before

486
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Speaker 1: the season, and the question was posed and I thought

487
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: it was a fair question, but the question was laid

488
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Speaker 1: out for him to basically say, yeah, you know what,

489
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Speaker 1: that's why I didn't necessarily perform great at the guard spot.

490
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Speaker 1: I was changing positions. I also wasn't fully healthy. And

491
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Speaker 1: you know what, he didn't take de bait to use

492
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Speaker 1: that excuse. He said, no, it took me a few weeks,

493
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Speaker 1: but by week five I was fully healthy. And it

494
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Speaker 1: is what it is. But he's very excited to be

495
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Speaker 1: back at tackle. He feels that's his most comfortable position.

496
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Speaker 1: The reason why he was moved over at guard with

497
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Speaker 1: the Vikings was through his perspective. They looked at the

498
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Speaker 1: competition last year in Minnesota. They wanted to put the

499
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Speaker 1: five best guys on the field, and we hear that

500
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Speaker 1: a lot how hunted by the way Giant's offensive line

501
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: coaches said this. You know, it's not necessarily finding the

502
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Speaker 1: guys that you know are best fits. It's about putting

503
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Speaker 1: the best five offensive linement on the field. And a

504
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of coaches always bring that up, and I think

505
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: there's some pros and cons to that because sometimes you

506
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Speaker 1: get into a scenario like a Mike Remer's last year

507
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: where Remers could have arguably been one of the five

508
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Speaker 1: best offensive linemen on the Vikings. I don't think anybody's

509
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Speaker 1: debating that. But when you move a guy into now

510
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Speaker 1: a position where he hasn't necessarily had as much exposure,

511
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Speaker 1: are you actually getting the five best guys to perform?

512
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Speaker 1: Is he gonna perform like one of the five best

513
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Speaker 1: guys at guard? And that I think is what Remer's

514
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Speaker 1: biggest takeaway was, So that I thought was interesting. Zeitler

515
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Speaker 1: also shed some interesting line on the fact learning a

516
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Speaker 1: new offense, playing next to a new right tackle nothing

517
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Speaker 1: new for him. He's been doing it for the last

518
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Speaker 1: five years, including this year, because of all the changes

519
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Speaker 1: that he had to deal with going back to his

520
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati days. Remember it was Jay Gruden and then it

521
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Speaker 1: was you Jackson that he goes to Cleveland. He had

522
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Speaker 1: you Jackson by the way before actually he left to

523
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Speaker 1: Cleveland Ken Zampez as his offensive coordinator who then joined

524
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Speaker 1: him in Cleveland. A lot of movement in both of

525
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Speaker 1: those areas. So now being thrown back in with Pat

526
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: Shermoer I think helps. But he's also playing next to

527
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: a new right tackle, which he's had to do for

528
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: many years between since and Cleveland. Right. Let's do phone

529
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Speaker 1: calls to a one five on three. It's all presented

530
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Speaker 1: by Corps Light. Let's go to Bob and Spokane. He

531
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Speaker 1: leads us off today. Hey Bob, good morning, gentlemen. Thanks

532
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: very much for taking my call. Hi about thanks for

533
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: making him? How are you John? I want to have

534
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: the business of my call is. I've been a giant

535
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: fan um most of my adult life, well longer than that.

536
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the greatest game ever played.

537
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it was close to the greatest thing ever played.

538
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: That I didn't like the final score. That's how long

539
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: I've been a giant fan UM. And I've got to

540
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: say that I had a health issue twelve years ago

541
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: that had me homebound for for quite a long time.

542
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. It's you're clear and right now. Good.

543
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: But one of my only sources is that any light

544
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: in my dark, painful little world with a giant news

545
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how much I appreciated it

546
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: because the giants represent something real special to me. They

547
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: are it's about work and persistence and respect and They've

548
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: always been that way, and it's something when they're down

549
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm down, and when they're doing well,

550
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: I absolutely it's inspiring and it's encouraging. And I think

551
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: of encouragement, I think that word means a gift of courage.

552
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: Giants have always been encouraging to me doing some pretty

553
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: rough times personally. So the point I want to make

554
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: it was finally last year that I got the right

555
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: uh mix of technology to where I could hear your

556
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: audio and I read everything and I look the pictures

557
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: or that my you know, that's my candy the photographs,

558
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: but to hear everyone uh is, it's really a lot

559
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: of added value. Um, And I want to I want

560
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: to thank you for all the work that you do

561
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: to provide the information and the insight that you do it.

562
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Speaker 1: It's remarkable to hear everyone's talking about the quarterback room.

563
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand the draft of Jones, but I understand.

564
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: I think gentleman is the best evaluator of talent in

565
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. So there's there's obviously a reason. And when

566
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: I got to hear your interview with this old coach,

567
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: and when I got to hear everyone talking about him.

568
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: I totally got it. Um. I really appreciated Glance what

569
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: you were saying this morning about the so called quarterback controversy. Um,

570
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the appreciated that whole, that whole layout of that. I

571
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: remember Roblin Burger's reaction when they drafted a quarterback last

572
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: The norm or is your life? The norm of what

573
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: a real professional does, and how all those people handled that.

574
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: There's so much inside you guys have given about not

575
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: just a quarterback room, but all the rooms, the offensive

576
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: line room, the defensive backs room. That's real football. That's

577
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: how football is really played. It's not talk, is action.

578
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: You're it's so great to be back two days of

579
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: real football. I know that they aren't pads, but the

580
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: sausage is being made and it's glorious. It's so nice

581
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: to hear and see how it's how it's starting out.

582
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Speaker 1: I've never been more optimistic about a season in my

583
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Speaker 1: entire life. This one. Wow. Strong words. Yeah, Bob, Bob,

584
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: that's very kindly. We appreciate it, and and and thanks

585
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot for the call. We certainly appreciate um those

586
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: kind words. Thank you. We enjoy what we do and

587
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: we hope that you guys enjoyed as well. And I

588
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: can just speaking for myself. I had a lot of

589
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: fun being out there on the field last couple of days.

590
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: It's been too long, so always good to have football back.

591
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely glad to hear that Bob is doing much better

592
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: after having to be homebound, so encouraging for him as well.

593
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Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm glad he actually brought up Ben Roethlisberg.

594
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go off on a whole tangent, John,

595
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I know we want to get to some more phone calls,

596
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: but Roethlisberger actually is related to the conversation with respect

597
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: of Flacco and Eli, because Ben has been very vocal

598
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: in the previous years to the Kohler's point when the

599
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Steelers have brought in sim young quarterbacks and Big Ben

600
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: has not necessarily, you know, welcomed it through the media's

601
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: lens of saying, oh yeah, bring the guy in. I'm

602
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I'm so excited by the way.

603
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Brady has been exactly accepting things of

604
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: those guys there too. And you know what, you know what, though,

605
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Speaker 1: I do have a problem if they purposely trying not

606
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: to well, that's different. Let the guys learn and like

607
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: keep them like like let's say Brady goes and watch

608
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: it at your tape and he says, no, Gropp will

609
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. That's a problem. But I don't

610
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're doing so, I wouldn't go

611
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: so far. I get your point. And even if guys

612
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: like Flacco and Big Ben are not showing an overwhelming

613
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Speaker 1: amount of enthusiasm. Once again, here's where do you draw

614
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the line, John, between that's just the guy's personality and

615
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: how we interacts with reporters versus what's actually going on

616
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: in the quarterback room. And you never really here, nor

617
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: probably would a young quarterback admitted because they don't want

618
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: to provide drama. Landry Jones, for example, who was on

619
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Speaker 1: the Steeler's roster. You never heard him run to a

620
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: reporter or anonymous source, get back to somebody. Landry Jones

621
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: is unhappy because Big Ben is locking out of the

622
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Speaker 1: quarterback room. So I don't think any of that is

623
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Speaker 1: going on. Well, and again that was my my my

624
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: intention there wasn't to indicate that, of course that was

625
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: going on. But you're right, as long as you're not

626
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: actively trying to stop this kid from learning and exactly

627
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: what's the difference to four or five and three. It's

628
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: all presented by course light. Stephen Rhode Island is up

629
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Speaker 1: next day. Steve hey John alias long coming, Good guys,

630
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for taking my call. A long time

631
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Speaker 1: Giant fan. I just want to give a quick shout

632
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: out to your previous caller. I said a hard time

633
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: with the audio. I couldn't get anything about the Giants

634
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: up here. And then somebody turned me onto a roku

635
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: and now I watched your guys the Giants channels on

636
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: like six hours a day. Probably not, but you guys

637
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: are great. I appreciate the chance to talk. What I

638
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: want to say is I was one of those people

639
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: on the draft night that just sat there throwing things

640
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Speaker 1: at the cheep. What the hell are you doing? I mean,

641
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I had so much faith and Gettleman and and that

642
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Speaker 1: the whole staff and everything else. But as I calm down,

643
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: because I'm that age where I've been with the Giants

644
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Speaker 1: since I was seven years old, Um, Gettleman was right.

645
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: You guys were right, give give it a chance. And

646
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: as I watched each interview, which each with each draft pick,

647
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: I realized these are quality human beings. The guys care

648
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: about what they do. See here's the thing they care

649
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: about other people. It's just amazing. I can't wait for

650
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the season to start. It's Steve. It is even about

651
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: being right or wrong, because we're his play will dictate

652
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: who's right or wrong. We don't have we don't have

653
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: a choice but to give him a chance. Do you

654
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: know why. That's what the organization is gonna do. So

655
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: whether or not fans or media people want to give

656
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: the kid a chance, it doesn't matter, because he's going

657
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: to get a chance and we're gonna see what happens

658
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: and results. Look, this is a results oriented business. You know,

659
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: you needed a future quarterback. They drafted him. If he

660
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Speaker 1: plays well, it's right. If he doesn't, it's wrong. We'll

661
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: find out period. I think. I think Mr Getleman hope

662
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: that's you know, with as far as the defensive players

663
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Speaker 1: that he has, you know, gotten something a little quicker.

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Speaker 1: But the guys he picked, I mean, they seem like

665
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Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna walk on and they're gonna be starting.

666
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Speaker 1: You know, I honestly thought that I was going to

667
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Speaker 1: see the front page of the New York Post with

668
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Speaker 1: Ghettoman being hung in effigy from it from the creed

669
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Speaker 1: because what he did to the giant. So I'm like, guys,

670
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Speaker 1: done nothing but make us so much better, so much

671
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Speaker 1: faster than I ever imagined. Well, not said, I'm not

672
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Speaker 1: gonna take up too much of your time. First time

673
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Speaker 1: call that I will be calling back. You guys are

674
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Speaker 1: great to host. Everybody there, seagals, all the guys. Some

675
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Speaker 1: of us are good. But anyway there what should bring

676
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Speaker 1: in some more giants X giants in there? Good work, guys,

677
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: keep it up and thanks for your time, appreciate it.

678
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Speaker 1: And I'd love to say this. And look, let's not

679
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Speaker 1: say things have gotten so much better, so much faster

680
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Speaker 1: than anyone would have expected. They've got him, has been

681
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: here for one season. They went from three and thirteen

682
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Speaker 1: to five and eleven. Okay, yeah, it's two more wins.

683
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Speaker 1: But let's not go a parade. I know they're not

684
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Speaker 1: throwing a parade upstairs. I know Dave Getleman wasn't happy

685
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Speaker 1: with five and eleven. I know Pat Shermer wasn't happy

686
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Speaker 1: at five and eleven. No one's happy with five and eleven.

687
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens this year. It's all about you

688
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: know what these guys are ultimately going to produce on

689
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Speaker 1: the field. I'm never a big fan of this grading

690
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Speaker 1: mentality immediately after the draft. I get it. It goes

691
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Speaker 1: back to the conversation John, you and I were having

692
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Speaker 1: earlier about the overreaction to just about everything coming out

693
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Speaker 1: of O. T A. S. Editors. They want to throw

694
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Speaker 1: out the information of grades because they think fans want

695
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Speaker 1: to read that stuff. And that's why we live in

696
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Speaker 1: it isn't that they think fans want to read that stuff.

697
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Speaker 1: Fans want to read that stuff. Yeah, I mean I

698
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Speaker 1: don't want to group every fan together. I think, yes,

699
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Speaker 1: there's a fans true that do want to see somebody

700
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Speaker 1: crown their team. Let me give you an example. Somebody

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Speaker 1: not crowned. There. I talked to our guys upstairs, right.

702
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Speaker 1: Dan Salmon does his mock draft tracker on giants dot

703
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Speaker 1: com or it tracks mock drafts. You know what gets

704
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Speaker 1: the most hits on giants dot com The mock draft tracker,

705
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Speaker 1: even though in February mock drafts don't mean a damn thing.

706
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Speaker 1: In March they don't mean a damn thing, But that's

707
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Speaker 1: what people want to click on. Do you know why

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Speaker 1: the way we hair care comes sociology. Yeah, the world

709
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Speaker 1: in which you live in now, everyone wants their information now.

710
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: But more so than that lence, people want their conclusions

711
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Speaker 1: based off that information now. So even though not all

712
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Speaker 1: the information is available, everything that needs to happen to

713
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: come to that proper conclusion has actually occurred. Yet everyone

714
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Speaker 1: wants the analysis and the conclusion as quickly as possible,

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Speaker 1: and before it's even feasible to have that conclusion have

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Speaker 1: any sort of merit because there's not enough evidence. So

717
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: then what happens People that are in charge go call

718
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Speaker 1: their reporters and their writers and tell them this is

719
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Speaker 1: what I want you to write. And the reporter might say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that yet, and he could

721
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Speaker 1: just say I don't care. Write your opinion then, and

722
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: that's how we get where we're at today. Instantaneous gratification,

723
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Speaker 1: I think is the best way to sum things up.

724
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Speaker 1: Everybody wants it immediately and they don't want to wait

725
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: out the results. But any draft class, you need to

726
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: give them three years to me minimum to really determine

727
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: whether or not it was a wise decision. And you know,

728
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Speaker 1: I know we're revisiting some of the conversations we've had.

729
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: But Daniel Jones, until he gets on the field, you know,

730
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Speaker 1: we could continue to play this game of speculation. You're

731
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: not gonna know anything. Same thing with Dwayne Haskins, not

732
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna know until these guys get on the field and

733
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Speaker 1: how things play out. They're always gonna be connected, absolutely

734
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Speaker 1: because they're tied into the same draft class. But you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see what happens before we

736
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Speaker 1: make the bold declaration of this was the right pick,

737
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Speaker 1: this was the wrong pick, and so forth. And there's

738
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Speaker 1: a range of outcomes for every player and every sport.

739
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Speaker 1: And you know this happens now with everyone talking about

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in the NBA draft, right there's a

741
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: range of outcome for every players. Not every player improves

742
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: in a linear line like this. Some players do this

743
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: and never get better and they level out. Some guys

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: don't do much and then all of a sudden they

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: go really fast, really good. Other guys in the first

746
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: year in the league they go get much better right away.

747
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Speaker 1: Every player will improve or not improve at different rates,

748
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: and that's what makes drafting players so difficult because you're

749
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Speaker 1: trying to predict how a bunch of teenagers are going

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Speaker 1: to turn into men and how they're gonna handle making

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, going to a new plays, doing

752
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: things and never done before. And that's what makes it

753
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Speaker 1: so challengeing, well, because what you just hit on is

754
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Speaker 1: that the environment is just as important as the skill

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00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: set of the player. Jorse it is. So I could

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback, I could put him in one team.

757
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: He may struggle. If I then hypothetically put him elsewhere,

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe that environment he thrives. You know, all of that

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00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: is part of the give and take that these executives

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Speaker 1: are trying to figure out. I go back to I

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00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: had a tweet pin on my account for more than

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Speaker 1: a year and the tweet simply said, there's no such

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Speaker 1: thing as they can't miss prospect. And it was that simple.

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Speaker 1: And I had a couple of things after that, but

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Speaker 1: that was the gist of people like well, Tim Duncan

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Speaker 1: was a can't miss prospect, And my response to them was,

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Speaker 1: what happens if Tim Duncan winds up with the team

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Speaker 1: that's not the Spurs and not coached by Greg Popovich.

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Speaker 1: You just don't know then what maybe he wins? One title,

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Speaker 1: and no one's a bigger Tim Duncan fan than me.

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Speaker 1: He's the best. I loved him duncanto death. But if

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Speaker 1: he's not put in that environment where he develops the

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Speaker 1: way he develops, or is put within a team concept

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Speaker 1: that emphasizes defense the way the Spurs do. Do you

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00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: see the best version of Tim Duncan without the other

776
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: pieces around them playing in a way that makes him

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Speaker 1: look as good as he is, so everybody's affected by

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Speaker 1: what happens around them. He look at like Alex Smith.

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Speaker 1: It took him and he's one of your favorite guys.

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: It took him so long to develop because the Niners

781
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: were changing offenses left and right. He was never in

782
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: a stable situation. Now that he ever become a superstar. No,

783
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: but he became a solid NFL quarterback. But look his

784
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: first fews in the league, no improvement, no improvement, no

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00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: him for me. Then all of a sudden and then

786
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: he leveled off against stability at the O C position,

787
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: talent around him, and look at what he did with

788
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Speaker 1: Hardball and Greg Roman and then Kansas City with Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: Exlightly productive. Took three and a half years, guys, halfway

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Speaker 1: through two thousand seven. You want to be like, gone,

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00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: we were here. I remember what happened after that Vikings

792
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: game when Darren Sharper intercepted him a billion times if

793
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: he wanted them out of his ass? This his fourth season, yeah, fourth,

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Speaker 1: Which is why the environment is something you have to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Which is why we always bring up the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, the defense, because all of these things go

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: hand in hand with one another. By the way, do

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Speaker 1: we know if David Robinson was enthusiastic about mental Tim Duncan?

799
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Speaker 1: Is the jury still out with that one? I don't know.

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00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to revisit that. We would remind you

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Speaker 1: that big book Kick Off Live is presented by corps,

802
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: like while we really just the two old men in

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00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: the balcony today. I liked them up. It's just complaining

804
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: about how the world works today. Oh boy, sociology. I

805
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: don't think we were getting a lesson out of youth today.

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Speaker 1: So let's go to Frank in New Jersey. He's up next, Frank.

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00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey guys, how are you today? We're great, Frank?

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00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: How are you all right? Aren't we a pleasure listen

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00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to you? Fellas Mr Gentleman had mentioned, he wanted eight

810
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: to ten million in cap space going into the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a little rough. You guys have any

812
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: ideas of how we could do that? And just to

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Speaker 1: follow up on that, I would love somebody on the

814
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: short term contract like Nick Perry to say hello to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny, Frank, and let me touch on

816
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Speaker 1: Nick Perry. I'm not gonna touch on him specifically, but

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have mentioned the idea

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Speaker 1: of bringing in another pass rusher, and look, you can't

819
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: have enough pass rushers. I'm not going to argue with

820
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: that point, but I do think you're getting to a

821
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Speaker 1: point here where you want to make sure you get

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Speaker 1: O'Shane zim and as the x man X number of

823
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Speaker 1: snaps no pun intended. You want to make sure you

824
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: get Lorenzo Carter X number of snaps, and then you

825
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: know you want to get Marcus Golden snaps. So and

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Speaker 1: then Cree Martin's here too, by the way, and he's

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Speaker 1: a solid player. Is there room for another guy you

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Speaker 1: bring in to get the requisite snaps that he requires

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Speaker 1: to be an effective player? I mean, can you carry

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Speaker 1: more than four outside linebacker edge rushers? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he can, so that's why I'm not sure at

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Speaker 1: this point. Adding another guy if he's not to be

833
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Speaker 1: a star level player, makes a lot of sense for you. Well,

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Speaker 1: just to follow up on what you had said, Mr

835
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Speaker 1: Mara had mentioned, Hey, you can never have enough of them,

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Speaker 1: meaning quarterback. You know, so edge rush as I feel

837
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Speaker 1: the same way. Well, but but Frank, let let me

838
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: let him compete, let him compete using rotation or you

839
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Speaker 1: know how bad bet your is back there? Well, Frank,

840
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Speaker 1: I think you bring up before. Well we have Frank captain.

841
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Speaker 1: We need to get ten million into the season. Well

842
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: we'll get Well, we'll get into that in a second,

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Speaker 1: yar Frank, But I just want to piggyback off of

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Speaker 1: something John said. It to your point, I agree with

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00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: you, you you can never have enough competition. But I think

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Speaker 1: what John was hitting on, and I think is important

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Speaker 1: to note noticed that in the past few years the

848
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Speaker 1: Giants have brought in established veterans right before they started

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Speaker 1: training camp. And I think part of the rationale was

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Speaker 1: let's see what the young guys could do with the

851
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Speaker 1: additional snaps during O t s. Let's see how they developed.

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Speaker 1: If we're not content with how they're coming along, then

853
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: maybe we bring in the established right and remember leon

854
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Hall came when the kind of barn come in last year.

855
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Barwin came in right before any camp, at the very

856
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: beginning of camp, maybe even two or three days into

857
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: kid example, Israel Ladona Je, I'll go back, and I

858
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna get in over Kerry Within and

859
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Israel La Donna Ja was brought in and he ultimately

860
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: lost out to Kerry Win. But I think part of

861
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: the rationale was now is the time no pads are on,

862
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: give the young guy snaps and here's the other thing.

863
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: You know you brought up Nick Perry. Nick Perry also

864
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe of the mindset where he doesn't want to have

865
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: to be in the mix during O t S. I'm

866
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: not comparing him to Brett Farve, but I remember when

867
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Brett Farve was going from team to team, there was

868
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: always chattered Brett didn't want anything to do with O

869
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: T S. That's why you'd always show up right when

870
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: camp started. I'm not saying Nick Perry's in that situation,

871
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Frank or in that position, but I think that's a

872
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: big part of why veterans sometimes wait before camp because

873
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: teams want to see what the young guys could do.

874
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: So just understand that person and then Frank very very

875
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: quickly on on your question on the cap. I always

876
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: thought eight to ten was a number that get him

877
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: to mention that the combine was a little bit of

878
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: a high number. I don't think you have to have

879
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: quite that much. I think having four to six is

880
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: more typical, and the Giants are right in that range.

881
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think, despite what Dave Gentleman said at

882
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: the combine, they have to do anything else major to

883
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: be in a comfortable situation come the regular season. I

884
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: think they're okay. Do you think Ellison might be a

885
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: trade Baker five four, four and a half million, No, No,

886
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: I think they need Red Ellison as a second tight

887
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: on this team. I think they value his ability to block,

888
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see a lot a lot of twelve personnel,

889
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: which is two tight ends on the field at the

890
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: same time this year, and Ellison is your number two guy.

891
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: They like Scott Simons and but he's not right Ellison,

892
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think Ellison's going anywhere. Okay, Just the

893
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: last thought on Nick Perry, um, it looks like it's

894
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: a proven deal. Because the guy has been injured for

895
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: two years of the fingers in the hands, and we

896
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: could probably get him on the cheap. And you know,

897
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm just saying just just a thought. Thank you, Frank,

898
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: once again, I think it's a fair point, and thanks

899
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: for the phone call. Look at what Shane rage Is

900
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: got from the Baltimore Ravens. I mean, they weren't necessarily

901
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: throwing a lot of money at him. He's also want

902
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: to prove it type of deal. He was phased out

903
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: in the Denver rotation. It was a guy that I

904
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: brought up multiple times on this program as somebody who's

905
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: a low risk, high reward. But Baltimore also lost a

906
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys in free agency, so you know, their

907
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: need is much different than the Giants need. John Smith

908
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: and and and when you go from Baltimore's perspective here,

909
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: you know they may have had a conversation with Shane

910
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: and said, Shane, you know we envisioned bringing you in.

911
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you X amount of snaps. Playing time

912
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be this. Whereas you know, the Giants are

913
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: not comfortable bringing in maybe a guy like Nick Perry

914
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: and promising him things. John when they to your point,

915
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter and O'Shane Zimmenez are not here to ride

916
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: the bench. They're here to play and develop. Marcus Golden

917
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: is on an old player. That's another one. Yeah. So

918
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, all of those conversations, which were not privy

919
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: to because they happy behind closed doors, is part of

920
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: what goes on before the pen has put the paper

921
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: and contracts are signed. I know, it's great to look

922
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: at the free agent market and say, well, why doesn't

923
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: my team going after this guy? Why doesn't my team

924
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: go after that guy? Remember, there's other dynamics. Just like

925
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: not to get off topic again, Daniel Jones had conversations

926
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: with the Giants which had nothing to do with John

927
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: on the field matters, and those are the things that

928
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: appealed to them. They spoke to David Cutcliffe, they spoke

929
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: to his coaches. They wanted to know the man Daniel Jones,

930
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: not just what happens on the field. All of that

931
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: information we're not necessarily having in front of us, But

932
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: that's a big part of the conversation. To a one four,

933
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: five on three hashtag Giants chat, it's all presented by

934
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: cores Light. Let's go to Mike and Oakland, California. He's

935
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: up next day, Mike. Hey, guys, what's happening. We're good,

936
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: Michael's up. Hey. Um, I'm just having a really good

937
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: time listening to callers today because, um, you know, hearing

938
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: some optimism is uh, is a nice change. I'm really

939
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: enjoying the heck out of it. And like I'll say

940
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: this too, I think it's important, and last year I

941
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: think we tried to settle people down a little bit.

942
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: I think cautious optimism is important because you are coming

943
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: off of five and eleven year. You stole at lot

944
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: of questions on defense, relying on a lot of young,

945
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: inexperienced cornerbacks, which can in this league be a very

946
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: dangerous thing. You don't have any established pass rushers, so

947
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: there's store a lot of question marks out there. I

948
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: think the offense is going to be better than fine.

949
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: I think the team will be entertaining and fun to watch.

950
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: How many games are gonna win it remains to be seen,

951
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. But but like you know, in this

952
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: time of the year, if you're a fan, you number one,

953
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: you might as well have optimism, right because this is

954
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. This is why I watched football

955
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: while listening to the shows, and and I want to

956
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: say like that, I think we have some good reason

957
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: for optimism. Now, the winds haven't been there, especially the

958
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: last two years have been rough, but I think if

959
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: you look at last year, we got some good reasons

960
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: for optimism. So let me just throw a couple out there. UM.

961
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Number one. I I look at uh five losses by

962
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: three points or less uh last season, right. I look

963
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: at a team, um and including uh, you know what,

964
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: at least three of those were playoff teams, maybe even

965
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: four of the Eagles, Colts, Cowboys. I know, I don't

966
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: remember if the Falcons went to the playoffs last year,

967
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: to be honest, but you know what, I want to

968
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: say one thing, Mike about that Cowboys game. You know

969
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: they scored a touchdown late in that game. The Cowboys

970
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: control that game. For what are you talking about? The

971
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: first Cowboy game or the second Cowboy game? Which one? Oh,

972
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: the second one? Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Then that's fair.

973
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: That's fair. Then okay, I'll take it back, go ahead.

974
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: And then and that's the other point for optimism. I mean,

975
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: if you if you look at this, the number of

976
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: points we score. I'm just gonna rattle a couple of

977
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: good ones off the least in my mind. I want

978
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: to hear what you guys say. So number one, we

979
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: lost a bunch of games by not a heck of

980
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: a lot, and our schedule is kind of tough. They

981
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: said we got one of the easiest schedules in the

982
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: NFL based upon last year's UM. Teams changed a lot,

983
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: but that couldn't hurt, right, Well, I hate that statistic.

984
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: I think it means absolutely nothing. Like listen, I mightna

985
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: be honest with you, you know, I I get you're

986
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: trying to look at it for the optimism and I'm

987
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: not trying to be a debbie down here, but rank

988
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: the schedule is irrelevant, Mike. It means nothing because I

989
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: don't know what team is gonna look like in week

990
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: fifteen and week sixteen. Neither do you. Who knows how

991
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation is gonna play out injuries? It's to

992
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: me it's holding onto hope. They're in claiming that how

993
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: a team fares in two thousand eighteen is going to

994
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: be a continuation of two thousand nineteen. And that's why

995
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I get your point about a lot of close games

996
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: last year. But let's face it, the roster has changed,

997
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: the defense is gonna look different. There's a bunch of

998
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: young corners. They're gonna throw out different personnel. Whether they

999
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: played a close game at two thousand and eighteen, I

1000
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: think means absolutely nothing in terms of how this team

1001
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: is going to be competitive in two thousand nineteen. Here's

1002
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: another example. If you go back to that two thousand

1003
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: sixteen season, If you remember, Mike, and that was the

1004
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: year they made the playoffs in a span of a

1005
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: number of years where they've missed, you know that season

1006
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: could have ended much differently too. They played a lot

1007
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: of close games. They won those games, but I could

1008
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: give you plenty of examples. The balls not deflected. Old

1009
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: Dell Beckham doesn't make a catch and runs in for

1010
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown. The Giants could have been an eight and

1011
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: eighteen that year. So it's a very fine line we're

1012
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: talking about, and I think a good rather rather than

1013
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: looking at those close games, Mike, I think you take

1014
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: a look at what the team's plus minuses. I like

1015
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: looking at point differential. I think point differential is a

1016
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: real good guide at determining how good your team was

1017
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: because odds are those close games gonna even now you're

1018
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna win some close ones, are gonna lose some close ones. Okay,

1019
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: So the Giants, if you look at their point differential

1020
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: last year, they probably should have been a six win team.

1021
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Maybe optimistically could have won seven based on their point differential. Maybe,

1022
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: but I think six is probably where they would have

1023
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: landed simply based on their plus minus over the course

1024
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: of the year. So maybe were they a little worse

1025
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: than what they're you know, record might have been, yes,

1026
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: but remember they won some close games too. And a

1027
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: product of losing those close games isn't just oh it

1028
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: was bad luck. It's no, your team wasn't good enough

1029
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: to close the game out. So I'm with Lance, I'm

1030
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: not a big fan of that close game quote unquote

1031
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: excuse and and I know coach Shermer isn't really into

1032
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: that either. I hear you. Um. On the other hand,

1033
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, you guys said you don't want to be

1034
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Debbie Douters, and we're looking at reasons for optimism, is

1035
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: my call, um, So we can we can beg to differ.

1036
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: But I do think that you know, second year and

1037
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: offensive scheme right the year with the coach a completely

1038
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: different offensive line. Now. Now, you guys can always come

1039
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: back and say you don't know what's gonna happen with injuries,

1040
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: but I've been tearing my hair out because of this

1041
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: offensive line for years. And this is the best preseason

1042
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: look at an offensive line that I've seen, you know,

1043
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: since maybe our Super Bowl forty two, to be honest,

1044
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: and then and reasons for optimisms, you gotta go back

1045
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: to say, Klon Barkley men two thousand plus yards behind

1046
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: a terrible offensive line, and uh and and what the

1047
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: heck is he gonna do? So look, I hear a

1048
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: lot of people calling in that are that are excited

1049
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: and to think this team has improved, the secondary improved.

1050
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: I called him before. I said, God, I thought our

1051
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: safety tandem last year was just terrible. I thought Landon

1052
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: Collins had one of his worst years. I haven't seen

1053
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: the stat from miss tackles, but I think he had

1054
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: a ton of them, and he kept trying to blow

1055
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: people up instead of wrap. And you know, our back

1056
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: end was just empty. So I just think they're I

1057
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: think there's I'm not saying we're super Bowl team, but

1058
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: this is the time of year for optimism. And I

1059
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: think there are a whole bunch of things about where

1060
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: we're at that gives me a lot of hope. Well,

1061
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: I like a lot of the points you're listed after,

1062
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: the whole strength of scheduled. Mike certainly gonna give you

1063
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: credit there to appreciate the vocals. You should have started

1064
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: off with that, right, He and Mike. The problem is,

1065
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: I didn't like the order that you presented. If you

1066
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: would have started off with second year in the offense,

1067
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: second year with the same head coach, say Kwan Barkley,

1068
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: I would have said, that's got a lot more substance

1069
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: in stock and offensive line and offensive line than you

1070
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: quoting me how many close games they played in two

1071
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: So I think he turned the corner very nicely with that.

1072
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: It's about talent on the field. Look that that's the time.

1073
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: That's one. It's gonna go down to what team is

1074
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: more talented, And we saw too many times the last

1075
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of years the talent was deficient. You know, I

1076
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: have to go back and count. I did the tally

1077
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: last year, how many guys on this roster are left

1078
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: from one Dave Gentleman first got here. Well, let's do

1079
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: it real quick, Eli and Zach DEOSSI lies to Norris Jenkins.

1080
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: He's still here from when he got here, Starling Shepard,

1081
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, none of the offensive life. I'm looking through

1082
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: the list here as we go down the list. B J.

1083
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Goodson right, third year six, none of the safeties, none

1084
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: of the other corners, none of the other wide because

1085
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: Ellison was with Macado, seven should be on that list. Seven.

1086
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: You want to count we ye gonta count every Moss? Yeah,

1087
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: I would count him. I mean, you know, guys on

1088
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: the roster right out he stole wasn't actually, but I

1089
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about a nine man roster, and nine

1090
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: we haven't got into fifty nine. I'm continuing to go

1091
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: down this list here, Jenks get short quick, Sure, the

1092
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: list gets short real quick. A lot of young guys,

1093
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces. I think the local Tree

1094
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: acquired after he got here. Pembers is new, Paul Perkins yep. Ten. Okay,

1095
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: but again, like Moss, not really, We're not talking about

1096
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: a lot of reps to your point, So anybody in

1097
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: their third year here or later, that's the that that

1098
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking at. But remember some guys have

1099
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: extra years in the league, and of course, of course,

1100
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: so that's the other reason why I'm not just looking

1101
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: at the number. I think it's looking at the list.

1102
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: Ten sounds like a good number. That's kind of two

1103
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: guys that don't really sounds fairly accurate to Dalvin Tomlinson.

1104
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: Did you include him on? That's eleven? Okay, it's a

1105
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: good one, I think everybody. And then you know what

1106
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: about Chad Wheeler? Last year was his rookie year on

1107
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: draft free Yes, you're right, Okay, you know I'm looking

1108
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: at the number. Well not, no, not last year he

1109
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: was on the effort. This is he's entering his third

1110
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: season in the league. No, it wasn't last year. Has

1111
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: rookie undrafted from He was a rookie undrafted for agent

1112
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: last year. No, Chad Wheeler is listed on our roster

1113
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: as entering his third season. I'm am I wrong about

1114
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: the fridge. Last year, Wheeler, I believe was undrafted two

1115
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. He's he's another guy. He was on the

1116
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: practice squad sofa here, that's right. So once again Avery Moss,

1117
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: same thing. So he he would be in the list.

1118
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: So we're talking about like twelve guys, including two guys

1119
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: that really don't play. That would be a fair roundoff number,

1120
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: but has been a tremendous amount of turnover. And you

1121
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: know that to me is perhaps another optimistic outlook. Is

1122
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: we piggyback off of the last caller, Mike. A lot

1123
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: of change, and with change sometimes you need to preach patients,

1124
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: as Dave Gettleman has because he can't just expect everybody

1125
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: to come together immediately. But he's trying to transform the

1126
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: locker room. He's trying to transform and x's and ohs

1127
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: to give the personnel to Pat Shermer that he could utilize.

1128
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: And you know, when he was at Carolina a little

1129
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: bit different because of the roster that he took over.

1130
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: But in fairness, if you go back, he inherited one

1131
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: of the worst salary cap situations in NFL history. And

1132
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: over time, you know, he did a lot of the

1133
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: heavy lifting, drafted some guys, he parted ways with veterans,

1134
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: made some difficult decisions, and you know, they were a

1135
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: consistent team that made the postseason. Now are the Giants

1136
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: there yet? Time's gonna tell. But I think that it's

1137
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: a similar approach that he doesn't shy away from. If

1138
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't think the nucleus looks good, and he has

1139
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: no problem with making the tough decisions of part ways

1140
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: with those individuals. And I think he's done that in

1141
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: both organizations thus far. Charlie and Poland Maine is up next,

1142
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: h Charlie. Hey, guys doing well, great, Charlie. What's up?

1143
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: No music today which is phenomenal. Hey, Um, just the

1144
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: flip side of what you were saying, John, Yeah, I

1145
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: mean and you were you were saying that, you know,

1146
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: everyone's clickbait and they just have to right stories. And well,

1147
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: the other side of that is ards and corporations and

1148
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: football teams weren't so opaque and they actually were forthcoming

1149
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: and a little bit more truthful. They wouldn't have to

1150
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: write stuff that they get a little information here and

1151
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: a little information there, and that's why they have to

1152
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: do that. I got a question for you. Do you

1153
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: think Bill Parcels was was telling these riders back in

1154
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: six you know who his you know what? What what? What?

1155
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: What is? Exact chart is no. But my point is

1156
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: that reporters never had all that information. It's not just today. Yeah,

1157
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: but you've got Twitter, you've got millions. Hold on one second, No, no,

1158
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: that's that's fine. I agree, Charlie. What would you like

1159
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: the Giants to exactly spell out to the media that

1160
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: they're not spelling out right now? I just think they

1161
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: just need to be just a little bit of forthcoming.

1162
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Explain how how how give me examples? Please said we're

1163
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: not going to trade, don't spell back. They never said

1164
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to trade Odell Beckham. First of all,

1165
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: it was just like spicy little words and semantics. Just yes,

1166
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: it's called the English language. But Charlie, Charlie, you're Charlie.

1167
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: You keep focusing on that quote from Dave Gentleman where

1168
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: he said that we did not sign him to trade him.

1169
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: But how do you know how do you know that

1170
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: at the time that that quote was said, that every

1171
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: intention was to keep him on the team, which obviously

1172
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: we have no evidence to counter that. And then and

1173
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, conversations and dialogues change over

1174
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: time a long time ago. But by the way, no,

1175
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: no one's First of all, that that that that First

1176
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: of all, that's not true. Second of all, if you

1177
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: go out there and say we're looking to trade him,

1178
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: do you know what happens to your leverage? It goes

1179
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: to the You know what, I understand that. So why

1180
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: would you want the Giants to hurt themselves by telling

1181
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: people that they want to trade a guy. It's that's stupid.

1182
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: But we didn't get for Odell. I mean, wasn't like

1183
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: we you know what I mean? You got value commensurate,

1184
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: got three first round picks. But Charlie, Charlie, you tell

1185
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: me another wide receiver that was traded for three first

1186
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: round picks that should have been traded. I don't care

1187
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: what you think. No, no, I want on the market.

1188
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: You tell me another wide receiver that was traded for

1189
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: three first round picks. No, no other wide receiver, like

1190
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: no non quarterback has ever been traded for three first

1191
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: round picks. The franchise tag, Charlie, the franchise tag. Only

1192
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: get your two first round picks. I just wanted to

1193
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: bring that. Of course, we wanted to revisit history. Of course, Charlie,

1194
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: you never disappointed. No what Charlie might, No, but Charlie might.

1195
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: But Charlie, you literally want the team to hurt their position,

1196
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: and you want the team to hurt themselves. I don't

1197
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: understand why you don't want them to do that. Take

1198
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: and to be a little bit more for coming. Well,

1199
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: then you won't get off. Okay, So here's what I think.

1200
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: So here's what here's here's what I think they should

1201
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: do for you, Charlie. When Pat Schumer does this Friday

1202
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: press conference, you should bring the media into the auditorium

1203
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: and put up on the projector and just show the

1204
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: media the plays they're gonna run on Sunday. Why don't

1205
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: do that to him? Absolutely, you guys can't talk about

1206
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: how many times you know, we can't talk about it.

1207
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: We can't talk well, we can't like what like. Well,

1208
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: first of all, when when when the team doesn't officially

1209
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: announce a transaction, it's all speculation, so of course you

1210
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: have to wait for them to be official word. And

1211
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: in fairness, Charlie, we've always talked about things and said

1212
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: based on reports, but it's just not efficient, so that

1213
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: that's base in terms. And by the way, Charlie, do

1214
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: you know why we have to do that? If we

1215
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: do it the other way, the league can levy penalties

1216
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: on the team. So go so so go yell at

1217
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: the NFL, don't exactly we are assets will be out

1218
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: on the street, correct, So go co the league offices

1219
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, Charlie. And even if we're not here anymore,

1220
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they still wouldn't hire you to fill

1221
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: our faxas. So don't get that optimist. Thank you, Charlie.

1222
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: Take it easy. He always good deal from you, Bruce,

1223
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: and albody will will wrap us up today. Bruce point,

1224
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: do you have big shoes to fill? Is that? Is

1225
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: this an easy act to follower? Yeah? I'm confused. Go

1226
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: ahead to Bruce. What's up. There's a player who was

1227
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: our number one receiver in camp last year, and I

1228
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: think his position was our third receiver going into the

1229
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: regular season, and nobody's mentioning one word about him. Cody Latimer.

1230
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer. Yeah, I think right now, if I had

1231
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: to put a depth trot up there with the Giants

1232
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I think he'd be my number three. Okay,

1233
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I just I just thought maybe I was missing stuff

1234
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: like Mr Ross receiver, he was traded and he was resigned.

1235
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: He's getting deep on people, and he's big and fast,

1236
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about everybody else. Okay, yeah, right now, Bruce,

1237
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: I I think with if you go three wide receivers

1238
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: right now, I think either separate or tap. Depending on

1239
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: the play, we'll go into the slot and Lattimer would

1240
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: be a outside guy and he'd be a I'm very

1241
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: deep art right now, I think that's true. Okay, all right,

1242
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: so I'm not crazy after I mean, remember he was

1243
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: listening to Charlie. You are not crazy. And Bruce, remember

1244
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer was hurt for the majority of last year.

1245
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, he made some plays, but unfortunately

1246
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: he was sidelined for the majority of the year. I

1247
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: think he missed ten games and came back that correct,

1248
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: he returns from I R yep. Yeah, Well when he

1249
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: did play, he was awesome. So he just I just

1250
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: glad nobody forget it and I actually would take it

1251
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: a step further and appreciate the phone called Bruce, thanks

1252
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in that. I think the depth

1253
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: at wide receiver is somewhat overlooked. I think everybody's focusing

1254
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: on Sterling Shepard and Golden tap. But since John loves

1255
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: me to talk about depth, I'm going to emphasize this

1256
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: once again because Bruce opened the door for this. You

1257
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: giggle over there like a little school girl. You don't

1258
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: easy to you. You don't need me to I think

1259
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: it's a fair conversation because Corey Coleman, to me, I

1260
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: think has an opportunity to make an impact other than

1261
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: a specialty. Really it might be his last opportunity. Well

1262
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: that very many on his fourth row, fourth organization. Yeah,

1263
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: but he wasn't here at all last offseason with the Giants,

1264
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: so I think his knowledge of the offense being here

1265
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: with the team, you know, that's a player to watch.

1266
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: I know that Cody Lattimer you mentioned has the leg

1267
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: up and he should, but I would not rule out

1268
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: that Corey Coleman. When it's all said and done, John

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Speaker 1: maybe the number three wide receiver on this team. Very possible,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's Russell Shepherd again to Russell Shepard is

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Speaker 1: the next guy who I think was probably one of

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Speaker 1: the most underrated signings this offseason. What Shepherd does on

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Speaker 1: special teams and how he filled in when a guy

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Speaker 1: like Latimer was hurt. Nobody seems to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Darius Layne, the young guy who's got four three sub

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Speaker 1: four four speed, was another guy. How about Benny Fowler.

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Speaker 1: Benny Fowlers another veteran who was with Ty Tolbert, the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver's coach in Denver, So it is Latimer by

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Speaker 1: the way. So I mean we named four guys right

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Speaker 1: there that this is not just a bunch of unknown rookies.

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Speaker 1: These are guys who have been in the league. So

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna battle. They're all gonna fight, and I

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Speaker 1: think that it gonna provide the Giants with a very

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Speaker 1: tough decision to determine, you know, how many wide receivers

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Speaker 1: they keep and who should be number three, who should

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Speaker 1: be number four. It's some good competition. And campus here

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Speaker 1: real quickly a couple of tweets Lance uh Molly, Molly,

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Speaker 1: I Eli can't play defense. What if he is a

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Speaker 1: great year statistically, but they lose nine games because the

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Speaker 1: defense and or special teams. That's a good question. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think in that case, if he is a really

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Speaker 1: good year offensive, when the team doesn't win because of

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Speaker 1: the defense, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: guarantee is not gonna be back next year. Uh. My

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Speaker 1: point is that the only thing that guarantees you that

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Speaker 1: Eli stays on the field for all sixteen games this

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Speaker 1: year is if the team wins, which means they're in

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Speaker 1: playoff contention and he plays well. Because even if he

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Speaker 1: plays well and they're not in playoff contention, they might

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Speaker 1: be like, all right, well let's see what Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: can do. Absolutely, that's the point we're making with that. Well,

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Speaker 1: because Eli, remember this is the final year of his contract,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know anything beyond this season. And if

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Speaker 1: it's a situation where they're competitive and it's the Redskins

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Speaker 1: game down the stretch of the season, John, and it's lopsided,

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Speaker 1: maybe that affords an opportunity for Daniel Jones again to

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Speaker 1: do a game game. But if it's mathematically out of

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Speaker 1: contention with five games to go, yeah, all bets are

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Speaker 1: off because they may say, hey, the opportunity is there

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Speaker 1: if they find how Beauty lies playing too, maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: throw Daniel Jones to the Wolves and and let's see

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Speaker 1: how he could perform. But yeah, if they're in contention

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Speaker 1: and Eli's performing, well, I really don't think there's anything

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Speaker 1: to debate about at that point. Lance, good stuff. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with another episode of Big Blue

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