1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History has 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: writtened with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: and my name is Ben. I have a little bit 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: of a story to open the show up with. If 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: you'd like, Matt, I'd love it all right, great good, 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: that worked out so once upon a time right before 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: we record this podcast. Uh, you are already here in 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: the office. I am, I've I've written an outline. I'm 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: driving up to the office when I notice the traffic 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: has slammed. And there's something about driving that makes us 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: all a little bit inhumane. You know, you you see 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: a big car accident and your first question is not 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: are they okay? Your first question is why the hell 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: would somebody get in my way? I've got important places 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: to go and things to do. Those jelupez don't eat themselves, right. 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: But we rarely, you know, we rarely ask are those 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: people okay? Or something like that. But I noticed as 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: I took these absurd Labyrintine back roads, I noticed that 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the interstate was pretty much at a standstill, and this 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: one car had overturned, so the entirety of the northbound 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: side of the interstate was closed. And it made me 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: think yet again about how dependent our society is on cars, 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: and how dependent our society is on oil. So oil 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: black gold, Texas t Well lem tell store about a 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: man named Jed. So where does it come from? It's, uh, well, 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: a little stuff of genius there. Um, Well, it's petroleum. Yeah, 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: that's what we generally called the oil that we use 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: in our vehicles, at least here in the US. Petrol um. 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: It's a refined version of crude oil. Um. The word 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: comes from the Greek petro, which means rock. And then 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this. I think the 34 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: L A I n, which means oil. I've seen it 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: referred to as specifically olive oil. So petroleum is literally 36 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: rock oil or rocks oil. And the use of this 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: phrase dates way back to the tenth century. This is 38 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: something that has been used for a while. Petroleum is 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: a naturally occurring liquid. It can be anywhere from a 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: yellowish color all the way a pitch black. You find it, 41 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: of course beneath the surface of earth. But not all 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: oil is made equally. It can consist of varying hydrocarbons 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of other organic compounds that can either 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: increase or decrease I guess the purity of the or 45 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: the ability to burn. Right. Yeah, great point, because that's 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: why there are so many different terms for oil, like 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: sweet crude, sweet Texas crew. Um. We should also point 48 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: out how oil is formed. You often here that oil 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: is dinosaur juice. Well, we have some good news. There 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: is a grain of truth to it. Oil forms when 51 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: large amounts of dead organisms are buried beneath rock and 52 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: subjected to a lot of heat and a lot of 53 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: pressure at the same way that coal transforms to a 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: diamond or a similar way. Uh. Usually though, most of 55 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: these organisms that we're talking about are just a great 56 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: mass of very tiny things. Yeah, you're talking about zooplankton, 57 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: algae and other things. And you know, sure, there's some 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: dinosaur juice in your oil, maybe a little bit, but 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: not nearly as much as you were probably told as 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a kid, or at least jokingly told, and then you 61 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: just took it, like me to be Those guys at 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Royal Dutch Shell and BP and Standard Oil all missed 63 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: their chance man to sell dino juice you know, I 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: would love for there to be a dino juice corporation 65 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: that overthrows countries. Just the name change would make a difference. 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: Spoilers US. So today we know that there are numerous 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: different types of oil, and the vast majority of these 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: are retrieved through some sort of drilling or underground extraction method. 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: There are historically natural oil springs, but they're quite rare. 70 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: So this ideal we have of a beech soaked with 71 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: oil and and hopeless liking otters and what's another thing, 72 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: um and the animals? Yeah, you know, definitely birds. Yeah, 73 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: that could have happened thousands of years ago as well, 74 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: and naturally. So humans have used oil since ancient times. 75 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: But but how ancient? Right? Uh? It goes back to 76 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: three a d back in China when they're the earliest 77 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: wells known at least were drilled. China, you invented everything 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: that's true today. Oils used for all kinds of things, 79 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: from gasoline for vehicles to asphalts so that vehicles can 80 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: drive on things. Uh, plastics, pharmaceuticals, especially plastics. If you 81 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: think about just the number of things in whatever room 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: you're sitting in or walking past, there's so many oil. 83 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: The oil is made to use pretty much everything you're 84 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: looking at. Um, the world is completely and utterly addicted 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: to the stuff. What do you mean? Well again, think 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: think about this. We consume ninety million barrels of oil 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: each year. That's and that's globally. Um, it's a fairly 88 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: huge number. And what we are realizing now more and 89 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: more is that this supply of this stuff is becoming 90 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: more and more. Well, it is finite, but it's becoming 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: less and less. Um, it's dwindling. But there are people 92 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: who would argue that it's not dwindling. They're all these 93 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: unlocked vaults of oil around the world. However, and we're 94 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: going to get into that. But you know, you, it 95 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: isn't created in a a fast way, right, as we said, 96 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: It takes a long process to create the stuff. Like 97 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that we often are able to 98 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: have clean drinking water in so many parts of the 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: world is that there is a water cycle. Now, of 100 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: course I'm not downplaying human ingenuity, but my point is 101 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: that this water cycle on Earth happens at a much 102 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: faster rate than this than this cycle of turning dead 103 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: matter into oil. So we are using it faster than 104 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: it can replenish. Absolutely. So there are a lot of 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: negative things about our use of oil, but there are 106 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: also a lot of positive things. Um and that's sometimes 107 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: stuff that you don't think about, at least things that 108 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't think about very much. And it depends on 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: your perspective too, and just maybe how you grew up, 110 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: what your parents taught you, where you are in society, 111 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: maybe what college you went to or if you went 112 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: to college. Um. So here here's some of the great 113 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: things about oil and so ownership of oil reserves have 114 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: enabled countries and sometimes you know, families assaulting BRUNEI, oh yeah, sure, 115 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: to accumulate just absurd amounts of money, wealth beyond anyone's 116 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: wildest dreams. There's a con here, though. As good as 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: it is for some parts of society, it's also bad 118 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: for the planet. Oil is bad for the planet and 119 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: most things that live on it, which is why you 120 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: know nobody is lining up to take a bath and crude, 121 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and yes they're forced to. It's not only bad if 122 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: you happen to wait into a pool of it, or 123 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: maybe a small pool gets thrown onto you and your 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: ecosystem is bad when it's burned. Yeah, we know that 125 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the compustion upon which numerous engines, not just car engines, 126 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: rely can create some dangerous pollutants, and not all countries 127 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: are regulated. Here's here's a funny story about how I 128 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: came to appreciate eight catalytic converters and emissions, and it's 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: super short. I noticed when I was living in j Loo, 130 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: which we've mentioned on the show before. I noticed it's 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: in Guatemala. And I've noticed a couple of really interesting 132 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: things about the vehicles. One people with Frankenstein a vehicle 133 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: out of like spare parts, magic, I don't know, a 134 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: lucky journey. These the mechanics that were really, really good. 135 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: And another thing I noticed was that they must not 136 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: have had a mission standards or those weren't enforced, because 137 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Matt after walking around just for a day. So you're 138 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: spending a Saturday walk around, you go to the park, 139 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: you learn some stuff, you meet some people, you have 140 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: a sandwich. You're walking home. I blew my nose and 141 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: the snot was black because of the level of pollution. 142 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: And I wasn't up there, you know, I wasn't like 143 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: huff in the end of the tail pipe. I was 144 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: just walking, So yeah, hopefully we won't. You know, there 145 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: are parts of the world where that is just the reality, 146 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: um like in jail, I guess. And that is another 147 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: terrifying aspect, just thinking about cities in China where the 148 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: pollution and small gets so bad that you have to 149 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: shut down the city for a little while. Yeah, and 150 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: some of it there is due to weather patterns. It 151 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: can be there can be a lack of wind that 152 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: would ordinarily sweep the small way. But that is one 153 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: that is one con of oil if humans are not 154 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: careful about it. Another positive thing about oil is that 155 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: it's great for manufacturing and business from that aspect. So 156 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about before on this show and I think 157 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: you've talked about it as well on Car Stuff that 158 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: the first automobiles were electric true story. Yeah, and uh 159 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: where what's the best way to find that? Just look 160 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: on iTunes for car stuff. Yes, we're on iTunes. You 161 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: can also visit us at car Stuff show dot com, 162 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: where you can see a handy list of some videos 163 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: that Scott and I do, as well as a blog 164 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: and every single episode we've all we've ever done. We 165 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: also cover the history of so many cars where you 166 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: will hear some crazy stories, you guys, including the stories 167 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: of the very first vehicle which was electric and additionally 168 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: you can check out some conspiratorial stuff. So much like 169 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: a any old car these days, electricity gets it started, 170 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: but oil really fuels the thing. Hey hoho, thank you 171 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: for doing that joke. Yeah, you gotta um. And it 172 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: has fueled a great deal of the modern age today. 173 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Oil supplies of the vehicle fuel needs for yeah, for 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: the globe, which is still a pretty scary number considering 175 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: how much pushed there is to get alternative fuel vehicles 176 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: out there. Um. And oil is responsible for of the 177 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: total energy consumption inside the United States. Now there's a 178 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: con here too. We said that oil is great for 179 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: some parts of society. It's also terrible for parts of society. 180 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: It is a death knell at times. It is uh, 181 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: the bell tolling for you, depending on where you are 182 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: in a society. And we'll tell you why that is 183 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: the case after a brief word from our sponsors. Okay, 184 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: and we are back, ladies and gentlemen. Before the break, 185 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: we said that oil is great for some parts of 186 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: society and terrible for some other parts of society. And 187 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: this brings us to a continually hot button type issue. U, Matt, 188 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I'll give you the honors. War wars are fought to 189 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: gain control over oil resources. And once you're embroiled in 190 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: a war, you need kasolene for all those vehicles. You 191 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: need oil for all sorts of things. It's a it's 192 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: a powerful component in so many things. Um, when you're 193 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: trying to fight a war, it's it's crazy to think 194 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: just how much is used in a battle, right, And 195 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: you'll often hear these claims about wars for oil. Dismissed 196 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory, so we thought we'd give you some specific, 197 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: historically accepted examples of wars for oil. One early example 198 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: is the Choco War of through thirty five. This is interesting, Matt, 199 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: because Bolivia and Paraguay fought over control of this place 200 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: called the Chaco Boreal and this was a you know, 201 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: a rich oil field area. Many historians, however, trace the 202 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: conflict ultimately not to Bolivia and Paraguay, but to two 203 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: international companies in conflict, Royal Dutch Shell backing Paraguay and 204 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: Standard Oil backing Bolivia. Yeah. Oh that's dishing. That's how 205 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: it really happened. But that's not the That's not the 206 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: only example we know that, even when they're not entire 207 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: wars fought for oil resource, there are still humorous instances 208 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: or campaigns where possession of an oil field or refinery 209 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: plays a key role. Oh yeah. During World War Two, 210 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: both sides understood this, and they would bomb refineries and 211 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: try and gain control, strategic control over oil field so 212 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: that they could have the oil for their tanks and 213 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: their airplanes and everything. Then, even if you jump forward 214 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: to when the US and the Soviet Union were having 215 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: their fun little Cold war and proxy wars, uh, the 216 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: activities in Afghanistan were fueled by oil concerns. Surprise. Yeah, 217 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the US was concerned or worried that so many Soviet 218 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: troops that close to the Persian Gulf could disrupt oil 219 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: supplies and and stop the trade because oil around the 220 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: world is like spice and dune. Right. Oh, you had 221 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: to flow, yeah, if you and if you control it. Right. 222 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: And that's why today you often hear people claiming that 223 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: one war or another was really fought over oil. And often, 224 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: as sad as it is, these people are not listened 225 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: to or they are dismissed. It is that wars are 226 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: ultimately over resources. Um, you know, whether this is the 227 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: sole motivation for war? You have to answer that on 228 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: a case by case basis. But one thing's for sure. Yes, 229 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: oil causes conflict. So why not use something else? Why 230 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: don't we just say, Okay, this oil stuff it's toxic 231 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: in so many ways, including politically, let's just move to 232 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: something else. Why don't we do it? Yeah, and let's uh, 233 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: by the way, have a big hand for our super producer, 234 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. Noel, I'm buttering you up because I'm gonna 235 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: ask for sound cube. Can we get something like sunshiny 236 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: for what we're about to announce? Oh? Yes, friends, something 237 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: does exist, and it's called alternative energy. We're talking nuclear, 238 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: We're talking solar, hydroelectric, geo thermal, and there are so 239 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: many others. Well, there's a problem, of course, which is 240 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: if all this stuff is so amazing, why aren't we 241 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: using it now? With nuclear, that's a little bit of 242 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: a special case. We're talking like Fukushima, Chernobyl, They're they're 243 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: accurate concerns about that. Hydro Electric really depends on where 244 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: you are in the world, as does geothermal. It's not 245 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: gonna work for everybody. Uh, Solar, just right, now is 246 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: not efficient enough. There's a problem though, It's threefold when 247 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: we look at alternative energy and why the world still 248 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: uses oil. The first is that the world's infrastructure is 249 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: already built for oil. We have a massive sunk cost, 250 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: so to switch from that would be um I'm sure 251 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: that there is a number of how many dollars that 252 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: would take for the entire world to switch, But I'm 253 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: also sure that that number exists as a mathematical concept. 254 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm also sure that this these numbers exist as a 255 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: mathematical concept, and it may be more money than actually 256 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: exists in the world. And you know, as we said, 257 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: the second problem that other forms of energy just don't 258 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: have the same bang for the buck efficiency right, Well, 259 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: are you sure about that or do the right exactly? 260 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: We'll get to that research. The third problem here is 261 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: the research into alternative energy is often politicized in the West, 262 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: especially in the United States, and this tends to hamper 263 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: any kind of progress. You know, of course, it's this 264 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: goes back to the idea of framing a debate. I 265 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: think we can all agree, really, if you think about it, 266 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: that having other forms of energy production is a good thing. Yeah, 267 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't see many cons to that, unless maybe you're 268 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: one of the controlling interests in a massive empire built 269 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: upon oil. Now, you know, ultimately, what we know about 270 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: human beings shows us that if alternative energy or some 271 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: form of it ever cracks the case and becomes as 272 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: efficient as oil, then ultimately people will make companies like 273 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: standard oil, and you know, I'll just be standard wind 274 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: stand right, Yeah, exactly. Um, they'll never get to do 275 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: that dino juice joke though. That's so it's a shame. 276 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: But but we do know, of course, guys, you have 277 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: seen this if you've ever watched news in the United States, 278 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: there are people who would go out and say, well, 279 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: you know that wind turbans are way more dangerous than 280 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: you think. They altered the surrounding temperature. That's right. They 281 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: killed birds, and they do kill birds. They kill a 282 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: lot of births. That part is true. But but we see, 283 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: you know, we see people take a stand against it 284 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: because they have a political stake in it rather than 285 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: an objective stay, which leads us to I don't know 286 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: about you, guys, but this is my favorite part of 287 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: the podcast today. Um. Oh, but before we get to it, 288 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: we should have a word from response m here's where 289 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: it gets crazy, all right, Ben, Let's get to the 290 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: good stuff. Let's get to the oil conspiracies. So let's 291 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: just get started here. One of the ideas is that 292 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: oil companies, or at least their owning interests, actively work 293 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: to suppress the alternative energy. We're talking about energy suppression here. 294 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: We've done a couple episodes on this on the video side, 295 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: even an audio podcast on this. UM. It's a huge topic. 296 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: You can look at examples like zero point energy that UM, 297 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: from what we can find, probably doesn't exist as of yet, UM, 298 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: but it might and if it did, then perhaps it 299 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: was suppressed and people were killed. That's a conspiracy theory. 300 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Another is a so called free energy examples including things 301 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: like Thomas Moray's device that he created that was suppressed. 302 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: And there are numerous other conspiracies. So let's look at 303 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: the automotive side here. Uh, there's this conspiracy idea that 304 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: automotive manufacturers conspired to prevent viable alternative energy cars from 305 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: hitting the markets. And you can see some great examples 306 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: in this and something called who Killed the Electric Car. 307 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: There's also the Great street car conspiracy, and uh, that's 308 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: that's a fascinating topic to me. And we can hear 309 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: us covered on car stuff as well. Um, I think 310 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: we have we have a video about it somewhere we 311 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: do now I can round. There's another example from the 312 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: world of automotives, the water powered car, which we also 313 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: talked about. Oh man, that one's fascinating. Check out our 314 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: video on that. Uh. And we also had Scott from 315 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: car Stuff come on and talk a little bit about 316 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. That's true, we did. Yeah, he's 317 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: a good fellow. Uh. Okay. So there's another idea here 318 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: that I know we're kind of blowing through these Uh. 319 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: That's just so that you guys can you know, get 320 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: a little tidbit and then go research in other ways. Um. 321 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: But there's an idea that most Middle Eastern conflicts, stuff 322 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: like the our war in Afghanistan, the recent one also 323 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: again going into Iraq, Um, that it's ultimately the result 324 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: of colonization and resource extraction rather than any kind of 325 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: ideological or religious concerns. Yeah, so let's look at this. 326 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: I think we have talked about this before in some 327 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: of our videos. But right now, if you are an 328 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: alien and you land on planet Earth, or you're just 329 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, screw it. You stay on the moon and 330 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: you're just watching the news before you go in go 331 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: into the planet right or into civilization, which is the 332 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: smart move if you're listening extraterrestrials. So so let's say 333 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: that you turn on the news and you notice that 334 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: things seem pretty dicey in the Middle East, and there's 335 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a country called Iran, and there's some other countries Saudi Arabia, Israel, 336 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: and the United States which do not like Iran. And 337 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Iran is you notice surrounded on all sides by a 338 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: US basis. You'll probably hear a lot of people talking 339 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: about religious values right, more abstract ideological things, But you're smart, 340 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you'll also notice that Iran is the country controlling something 341 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: called the Strait of Horda moves where a great deal 342 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: of the world's oil passes, and Iran has the ability 343 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: to shut down this straight uh. The United States and 344 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia spend a great deal of time and money 345 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: making sure that they have boats that are in the water. 346 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: So imagine, imagine that something valuable was coming out of 347 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: the Gulf, and then the US controlled the Gulf, but 348 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: there was another country much stronger than the US, like 349 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: China sixty years from now sends ships to the Gulf 350 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: of Mexico to prevent any kind of shutdown. That's similar. 351 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: That hypothetical situation is similar. So this idea now is 352 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: that most of the Middle East conflicts are ultimately a 353 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: result of colonial powers and ownership of oil resource extraction. 354 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: It's a it's dirty, dirty stuff. Yeah you can. I'm 355 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: trying to think if there's a good place on video 356 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: you can learn more about that. I don't think we've 357 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: covered that in particular with stray hor moves or anything. Well, 358 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: you can look at the Yeah, you're right, we haven't 359 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: covered that yet, but you can find some great stuff 360 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: if you look into uh who set up the shaw 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: of Iran and later the fall of the Shaw, UH, 362 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: the involvement of energy companies in both the involvement of 363 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: British oil companies in the area historically and how much 364 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: influence they welded over state making. So do some Iran research. 365 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: Another thing that we just looked at this week on 366 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: video is our classic series on peak oil and whether 367 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: or not we've reached this point of peak oil where 368 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: we are not producing uh enough to meet demand or 369 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: where are where our supplies are dwindling and dwindling where 370 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: we can't make that ninety million barrels one. And that's 371 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: a scary thing because, as we know, the developing world 372 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: is thirstier and thirstier for oil. People have more machines, 373 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: people want more consider humor goods, and they're just more people. 374 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot more people. And the conspiracy lies 375 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: within whether or not we've already hit this point of 376 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: peak oil, whether we you know when we will hit it, 377 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: if we will hit it, or if it's a hoax 378 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: yeah by the left because Alaska, man, there's so much 379 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: oil under Alaska. Well, you know, not to make light 380 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: of it. But the point that we're making here is 381 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: that there are people on both sides of the peak 382 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: oil debate who believed that there is a conspiracy afoot. 383 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: And the biggest thing for me is do we really 384 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: want to continue to burn all this oil? Come on, guys, 385 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: I got really scared by newsroom. Dude, the newsroom did 386 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: that piece on climate change. Did you have never seen 387 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: news Okay, alright, well, newsroom did this small piece on 388 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: climate change where they interviewed I don't know if he 389 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: was just an associate director or something of um the 390 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: E p A. And then I did some research after 391 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: that aired, and the results about the amount of CO 392 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: two in the atmosphere is pretty scary. Now, Newsroom, is 393 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: that the show written by Aaron Sorkin? That is correct? Okay, good, 394 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: just because the way we're talking about it for a 395 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: second made me think that it was an actual news show. Yes, 396 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: it's an HBO show. I apologize. Oh, no worries, So 397 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: I'll check it out. Huh. I would recommend anyone check 398 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: it out, just because it's one of those doom and 399 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: gloom things where it just seems awful and you're watching 400 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: it on this fiction fictionalized TV show, But then when 401 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: you realize that the information that's being used in there 402 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: is nonfiction, Uh, it's pretty scary. There's another scary thing 403 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: and we'll be talking about this in a video that 404 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: you can check out this week to probably right after 405 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: you listen to this episode. There is an organization called 406 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: o PACK right and yeah, who are they? Right? And 407 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: OPAC is a consortium that controls oil prices in general. Now, recently, 408 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: if you have into the news, you have noticed that 409 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: oil prices are plummeting. There are a couple of reasons 410 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: for this. But here's the thing that's kind of conspiratorial 411 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: that I really enjoy. It's that maybe OPEC and the 412 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: Western Powers are conspiring to drive down the price of 413 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: fossil fuels from crude oil to natural gas, not to 414 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: save US money at the pump, not because they care. 415 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: That would be really nice if they did, That would 416 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: be you know what. Maybe maybe I'm wrong for the holidays, 417 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's for the holidays, and maybe I'm being a jerk, 418 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: But I also proposed that maybe this is an attempt 419 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: to weaken countries like Russia and Iran, both of which 420 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: rely on fossil fuel exports to power their economies. That 421 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: whole situation right now is heating up between Russia and 422 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: a lot of other places in the world, especially the 423 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: United States, and Russia was questioning Israel earlier this week 424 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: because they bombed Syria. Yes, um, there's just so much 425 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: interesting stuff going on there. I watched you watch Vice 426 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: News at all. I've seen it before. I've been trying 427 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: to just keep up to date. They have some embedded people, 428 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: well not embedded, they're just there. Uh, they're not embedded 429 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: with any group. But yeah, they's just really interesting to 430 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: actually see the news coming out from that kind of thing. Well, 431 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: it's important, especially when we talk about any kind of 432 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: international affair. It's it's crucial to check multiple news sources. 433 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Anytime that somebody questioned your source, your individual source, it's 434 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: just good practice to have another one you can show. 435 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I read RT just like the Russian Times 436 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: all the time. I also read the official uh state 437 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: web page of North Korea, the DPRK. I might be 438 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: the only one who does that. I do not currently, 439 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: but um does Google Translate work pretty well with it? 440 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: They have an English section. Oh wow, okay, yeah, making 441 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: the English section in the Korean section. Check it out. 442 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: You'll see some interesting stuff. But so I'm saying, I'll 443 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: check state mouthpieces. Right, Arguably Al Jazeera is a state 444 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: mouthpiece to right, um, and let's see, are they in 445 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: cutter I believe yes. Also, the BBC is essentially a 446 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: state news site in the United States. Is a little 447 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: bit different because you know, Fox will speak more for 448 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: the right, MSNBC will speak more for the left. Often 449 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: both can be disingenuous, and usually it's a corporation. Yeah, 450 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, I hate to be that guy, but you're 451 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: you're ultimately getting pr a lot of times. It's true 452 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: that an ad driven news people can shut something down 453 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: if an advertiser has enough power and they don't like it, 454 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: or just the conglomerate that owns the media company has 455 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: any arm. So you're talking really, I feel like if 456 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking into your head right now, I'm seeing the 457 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live video that was shown once they're taking 458 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: off the air. I mean a bit at least bits 459 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: and pieces. I have an unfortunate bias against US news 460 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: in that way. So are any of these conspiracies true? 461 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: I think bits and pieces of most of these are true. Uh. 462 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: I think it's difficult. It would be extremely difficult to 463 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: prove hands down any of them. Um, just with actual 464 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: hard evidence. So are any of these conspiracies we've heard 465 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: so far true or do they have a grain of truth? Well, 466 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: of course, it would be extremely difficult to prove with concrete, 467 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: inarguable evidence that oil companies are conspiring to, let's say, 468 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: suppress any of this innovation. But we do know that 469 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: large companies can and will act unethically to ensure not 470 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: only their continued survival, but the continual survival of let's 471 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: say that market or that businessman. Yeah, that huge business moan. 472 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: So yeah. One example of this, it probably hits home 473 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: for a lot of you out there listening on the internet. 474 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: I know it makes me furious, is the suppression of 475 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: superior fiber optic networks by telecoms. If you have been 476 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: on Reddit or the subreddit for technology, then you have 477 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: seen so many stories about companies that originally refused to 478 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: build a fiber optic network taking legal action to prevent 479 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: a town or city from building their own. Yeah, because man, 480 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: you can't step on my profits like that. Or the 481 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: suppression of let's talk about this too, while we're at it, 482 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: of online video services like Netflix and Hulu by cable 483 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: companies who don't want consumers to use another more convenient, 484 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: more affordable way of watching TV. Now, okay, these examples, 485 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: of course, I know, I know what everybody's saying. Of course, 486 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: these have nothing to do with gasoline. These are just 487 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: examples of what can happen when a company is large 488 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: enough to affect legislation. Right, So, there is a dangerous possibility. 489 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it has happened before that an oil 490 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: company would suppress an innovation, but I am saying that 491 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: it could happen, which is terrifying. Well, one of the 492 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: other things that we do know for sure is that 493 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: auto manufacturers back in the day were found guilty of 494 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: destroying America's electric street cars. And we're talking about the 495 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: street cars that were in San Francisco, um and maybe 496 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: Chicago all other cities. Um. Yeah, they were found guilty 497 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: of doing this. And guess what, Ben this is something 498 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: I learned from your show. What's that they were fined? Um, 499 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: just a little bit. They were just find a little 500 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: bit of money, one dollar, they'll find one dollar. You guys, 501 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: the big three auto manufacturers, and I think there was 502 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: also a tire company that was active in this, uh, 503 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: purchased various street car systems and then later dismantled them. 504 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: Now you will hear people say that these were already 505 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: hemorrhaging money, or they were bad invest mints or something 506 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: from the beginning, and that the other companies had no 507 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: choice but to dismantle them. However, you know, it's okay 508 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: if you believe that, if you like to believe that 509 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: sort of thing, but the court doesn't agree with you, 510 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: which is like the most diplomatic way I could put it. 511 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: You're so kind of bad. Thank you. So conspiracy theories 512 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: about auto power are almost as old as the Model 513 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: T going way back there, and that's you know, there's 514 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: no surprise about that. But while we don't have concrete 515 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: proof of the suppression, like we said before, we do 516 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: know that there are various electric cars that came and 517 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: went under this same kind of let's say, mysterious circumstance. 518 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Talking about the e V one. If you've ever watched 519 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Who Killed the Electric Car, Uh, you'll know what we're 520 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: talking about. Have an episode on that as well. Um 521 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: that that center and EV one is so crazy, especially 522 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: when you go back and you watch the interviews with 523 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: I think Tom Hanks was one of the interviews people. 524 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: So here's how the EV one worked. People could not 525 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: outright by it, they could lease it. And at the 526 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: end of the least period people were going nuts and bananas. 527 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: They loved the Saturn EV one, but Saturn destroyed the 528 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: ev ones when they were returned from lease, and which 529 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: GM destroyed it. Yeah, excuse me, and you were allowed 530 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: to renew your lease. It was very very dodgy business. Uh. 531 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: Here's another thing that we talked about a little bit 532 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: at length. The idea of oil driving conflict in the 533 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Middle East. It's fairly certain a great deal of conflict 534 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: in the Middle East can be traced back, as we said, 535 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: to colonialism to control of these resources. Because you have 536 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: ever wondered why some parts of the world are so violent, 537 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: really should look at um colonialism and the ways that 538 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: it grouped modern nation states without much consideration to the 539 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: people who already lived there in tribes or communities. So 540 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: these would be cut in half, and then people who 541 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: are enemies of one another arrivals would be in the 542 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: same new state, which explains a lot of the conflict, 543 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: but not all of it. And it's a little too 544 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: simplistic sometimes to just say that a war has fought 545 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: only for oil. Um. But it is a huge factor, 546 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: maybe way bigger than what people might imagine. It's part 547 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: of establishing, you know, hedgemony, controlling resources. There are a 548 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: few facts that most people don't know about the United States, 549 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: though we have a lot all these misconceptions that are 550 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: still trumpeted by pundits on the news. Uh. First one 551 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: that we should bust The United States does not get 552 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: most of its oil from the Middle East. Nope, we 553 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: get it from the North, from good old Canada. Yep, 554 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: true story. You guys, for a while Canada had been 555 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: our number one source of fossil fuel imports, and we 556 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: also produce a lot of it here. Um, it's so weird. 557 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 1: Then you go back to talking about earlier that oil 558 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: is this large contributing um factor in going to war 559 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: in places in the Middle East, and you know, if 560 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: we don't, maybe we don't need all that oil. Ben 561 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: we're getting it from other places. Right. The discovery of 562 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: fracking and extraction from shale has been a huge shot 563 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: in the arm for the US industry. But then that 564 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: brings us back to, uh, the old peak oil idea, right, 565 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: because if we're counting improvement in production by finding new 566 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: means of extraction, we're not finding more oil. We're just 567 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: we're getting better digging it out of Earth's nooks and crannies, 568 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: more complicated ways to get it out right, and maybe 569 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: less safe. But what what does this mean about peak 570 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: oil old peak oil conspiracy? Well, it means we're not 571 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: talking about whether or not it's going to happen. We're 572 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: just talking about when it's going to happen. Um. I mean, 573 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: it's true that various oil companies and let's say let's 574 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: call them pro oil senators. Uh, you know they got 575 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: money in the family or the you know, they've got 576 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: family who's in with the oil which happens and which 577 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: is not illegal, No, not at all. Bushes. So they've 578 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: argued people have argued that climate change or global warming, 579 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: is this myth? And you know, it's made to extend 580 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: government control over private industry. So you can tax the 581 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: companies and you can tax the people for using carbons, 582 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: which is which is weird to me, Like I get 583 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: this idea, especially with one world government conspiracies. But it's 584 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: also true that if you look at the laws and 585 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: the legislation process, at least in at least in western countries, um, 586 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: private industry actually wields more control over the state than 587 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: many people would like to think. And we we bring 588 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: this up all the time. Yeah, we look at lobbying, 589 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: we've looked at just the various controls that you can 590 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: have in an election process. And let's not forget the 591 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: oil companies really have spearheaded invasions and toppled regimes to 592 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: keep that i know, juice and the profits flowing. And 593 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: now before we move on, I'm going to say something 594 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of people might not expect. It's just 595 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: a question have oil companies done more good or more harm? 596 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: Because it's super super convenient for us to live in 597 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: this world made of all these amazing plastic and petroleum products, 598 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: to drive in our cars right, or ride in a 599 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: m in an electric train which is probably powered by 600 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: a coal plant. It's super easy for us to have 601 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: all those things. And then, you know, say oil companies 602 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: are terrible and bad. I just feel like it's uh 603 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't consider you kind of thing. 604 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: I see that. Uh. Well, let's say I would say this, 605 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: the world is a much more convenient place thanks to 606 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 1: oil and oil companies. Uh, it's a much more it's 607 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: a healthier place in some ways due to things like plastics, um, 608 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: due to things like pharmaceuticals that are created from that. Um. 609 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: Most of what we have right now that we consider 610 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: modern modern conveniences are directly from oil. 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