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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you production of I Heart Radio. I

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Speaker 1: actually do have a question today. Yes, no, yes, So

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Speaker 1: we are coming around elections and I just need to know.

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Speaker 1: Are you actually watching any of these debates? No Ah, No,

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Speaker 1: I am not watching them. I will watch highlights the

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Speaker 1: next day and I'll read kind of the main points

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Speaker 1: are what they are. But I feel like and more

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Speaker 1: power to to my friends who have been watching them

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Speaker 1: and tell me I'm miserable it's been. Uh. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I that's more misery than it's worth. Like I can

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Speaker 1: get the point I already know. I feel like most

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Speaker 1: of us already know what you're going to get out

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Speaker 1: of that debate. I mean, and it was worse than

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Speaker 1: I even imagined. The first one was, well, did you

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Speaker 1: did you imagine the Fly? I did not imagine fly?

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Speaker 1: And like last night on Twitter, I saw like fly

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Speaker 1: the Fly was trending and I thought it was the

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Speaker 1: movie and I was like, oh, are they remaking that too?

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Speaker 1: And then no, there's a fly on Mike Penson's head

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Speaker 1: for two minutes. And it's called fly gate, because of

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Speaker 1: course does not stop everything is a gate of swords. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't watch many of the debates.

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Speaker 1: It makes me physically noxious sometimes just hearing voices of

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Speaker 1: specific people. But I've definitely been watching when people playing

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Speaker 1: the drinking game, you have you participate in any of

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Speaker 1: those um and not for this or the previous election cycle,

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Speaker 1: but with Obama, I think I would State of the Union.

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Speaker 1: I would play the State of the Union drinking games,

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Speaker 1: and that gets you pretty quick. I like so my

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Speaker 1: co host over on SAB has a really good drinking

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Speaker 1: game rule where you alternate drink responsibly everybody, or you

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Speaker 1: alternate between an alcoholic drink and water, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good way to make sure you don't get

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Speaker 1: absolutely hammered. Right. There's definitely all the cards and the

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Speaker 1: bingo games, and it's all been very interesting. But today

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Speaker 1: we are talking a little bit more about politics for

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Speaker 1: our Monday Mini So bear with us because on Friday

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Speaker 1: September eight, Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away, and and honestly,

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Speaker 1: the pain in the morning that I felt that night

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Speaker 1: And everybody's kind of been holding their breathes. Um. But

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Speaker 1: beyond just the implication of her death, the overall loss

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Speaker 1: of her voice was significant to me. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you felt. I know I texted you that now.

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Speaker 1: just for the lack of better terms, not only the

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Speaker 1: someone who so many people looked up to. Yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: and um and please note, we know she's not perfect,

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Speaker 1: and we said this previously. We said this before. I

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Speaker 1: definitely disagreed with some of our decisions and our censures

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Speaker 1: as a frecent um, but she made a difference, and

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Speaker 1: she fought for women's rights and equality, um. And she

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Speaker 1: did fight for lgbt Q rights. And saying her passing

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Speaker 1: is a loss too many doesn't negate things that she

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Speaker 1: has done that that we don't agree with. I don't

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Speaker 1: and we'll also give right to people who feel angry

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Speaker 1: that they are that way, But to diminish someone's hurt

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Speaker 1: or someone's loss is enabling this whole idea of the

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Speaker 1: lack of comfession and empathy for others. And and we

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Speaker 1: don't want to become that nation, and we're slowly becoming

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Speaker 1: the current leadership. And I don't I would hate for

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Speaker 1: that to be an overall resolve for people who we

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer. I know, I've talked about it before.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer that you should be aware of

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Speaker 1: people's faults and what they were good at two and

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Speaker 1: her death. The death of Senator John Lewis this year,

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Speaker 1: you know, I definitely did not agree with John McCain,

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Speaker 1: him was significant for for all and what he did

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Speaker 1: us in Atlanta, John Lewis's death was so significant as

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Speaker 1: he represented a portion of the metro Atlanta area and

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Speaker 1: and his life and death left a huge mark, uh

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Speaker 1: specifically for us down here in the South and everywhere

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Speaker 1: of course, but shoot, he he has fought and fought

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Speaker 1: And his funeral and his memorial service was watched from

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Speaker 1: and I think that's significant to who he was as well.

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Speaker 1: And we wanted to talk about what it looks like

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Speaker 1: saying that they should canonize in anything, but they did

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Speaker 1: but oftentimes for the people who we may have lost personally.

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Speaker 1: I think, Um, there is a catharsis in sharing grief

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Speaker 1: and as in fact and the article of person stays,

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