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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: He and welcome back George Nori along with Ana Ristra

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Speaker 2: for us and her website slash Facebook is linked up

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Speaker 2: at Coast tocoastam dot com. And what constitutes are haunting

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Speaker 2: in your book?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: That again, there's a wide spectrum of hauntings. So it

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Speaker 4: goes from the classic reoccurring ghost that appears in the

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Speaker 4: same place, doing the same thing and doesn't seem to interact.

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Speaker 4: There are more interactive ghosts that appear, ghosts that appear

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Speaker 4: to give messages, and then it goes all the way

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Speaker 4: to poltergeists that could be classed as some sort of

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Speaker 4: ghost case. So they all tend to involve people who

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Speaker 4: are now deceased. I would say there are visions of

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Speaker 4: people who are still alive, but I generally class hauntings

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Speaker 4: as visions of somebody that's now deceased.

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Speaker 2: Do you go to many haunted places?

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Speaker 4: I used to go to a lot. I don't get

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Speaker 4: so it's a bit difficult. I do still get to

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Speaker 4: some haunted places. In fact, I was at a haunted

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Speaker 4: castle just a month or so ago where I'm hoping

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Speaker 4: to do a bit more work with them, and I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to get English Heritage to work with me on

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Speaker 4: a bit of a project to write up some of

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Speaker 4: their ghost cases.

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Speaker 2: What creates a haunted place in your opinion, Oh, it

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Speaker 2: can be.

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Speaker 4: People tend to think maybe if there's something bad has

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Speaker 4: happen there, someone's been killed, or something has happened to

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Speaker 4: someone someone, maybe it's taken their own life that they'll

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Speaker 4: keep coming back. But we do see ghosts that just

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Speaker 4: appear to be doing their own thing. We have in Chester.

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Speaker 4: Obviously it was a Roman town, so there's lots of

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Speaker 4: reports of Roman centurions being seen, and they're not it's

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Speaker 4: not the site of a battle, it's not the site

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Speaker 4: of where they were murdered. They were just walking along

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Speaker 4: and that's how they're reported, just appearing walking along and

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Speaker 4: then disappearing through a wall. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: necessarily because of something really bad that's happened there.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they just happen earlier. And you were talking about

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Speaker 2: EVP sounds as well. What do you think generates those?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's another big question. There's a big school of

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Speaker 4: thought that thinks it is people from the other side.

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Speaker 4: Whatever the other side is trying to communicate with us.

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Speaker 4: They have regular communication with these people who try and

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Speaker 4: describe what it's like on the other side, but aren't

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Speaker 4: allowed to They're prevented from giving too much information. Excuse me, sorry,

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Speaker 4: just getting the super water. But there are obviously voices

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Speaker 4: that appear in apparently haunted building saying things. I think

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Speaker 4: we have to be really careful with EVP though, because

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Speaker 4: in ghost hunting now people are just running out and

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Speaker 4: using apps and apparently getting voices, and have to be

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Speaker 4: quite careful with these because in a lot of cases

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Speaker 4: you can show that there's actually nothing paranormal that's happened.

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Speaker 4: Getting proper EVPs is something that takes time and patience.

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Speaker 4: You have to keep trying to get them at the

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Speaker 4: same time in the same place, and eventually a voice

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Speaker 4: might come through to you. I think an awful lot

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Speaker 4: of what people are reporting as EVPs nowadays aren't actually

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Speaker 4: genuine EVPs.

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Speaker 2: And in your opinion, what is a ghost exactly?

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Speaker 4: No criche. You're asking me all the questions that we

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Speaker 4: don't know the answers to. If I could provide an

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Speaker 4: answer to that then I would be famous.

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Speaker 2: Probably.

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Speaker 4: It's sometimes it appears that they are spirits come back

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Speaker 4: with a message. Sometimes it may just are recording somehow

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Speaker 4: And sometimes if you're looking at something like Poltergeist, they

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Speaker 4: may actually be created by the human mind. So with

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Speaker 4: the different types of ghosts, there's possibly different causes, but

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Speaker 4: we just don't know yet. We don't know.

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Speaker 2: Are they disembodied spirits that just haven't moved on.

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Speaker 4: Some people believe that. Some people believe that doing a

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Speaker 4: ceremony can move them on. I again, when there's cases

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Speaker 4: like that, I feel that there's possibly the psychology of

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Speaker 4: have been concerned about a potential haunting, and if you

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Speaker 4: phenomenon disappears. So again, I can't say. It may turn

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Speaker 4: out that there are spirits trying to come back and

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Speaker 4: speak to us, but until we've worked out exactly how

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Speaker 4: they can do that, it's all supposition.

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Speaker 5: I'm afraid, and I know you're going to watch some

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Speaker 5: them after hearing this. This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 3: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine years

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Speaker 5: old now, was suffering with not just one or two warts,

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Speaker 5: his body, so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 6: Righti's book.

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Speaker 3: Actually, they got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and

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Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work.

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Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 5: was actually improvement It's really going to work.

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Speaker 6: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 6: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 6: and then going down to with just a little red monks.

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Speaker 6: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 6: you know one the size of the warner.

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Speaker 3: I thought, no.

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Speaker 6: Way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see

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Speaker 6: them get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see him so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 5: Confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 2: TI, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been scared on a ghost hunt?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: And the reason I say that, Well, the reason I

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Speaker 4: say that is ghost hunts are generally really really boring.

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Speaker 4: Proper ghost hunts, nothing happens. You sat there for ages

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Speaker 4: waiting for something to happen, nothing happens. You can be

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Speaker 4: there for eight hours with nothing happening. So something does happen.

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Speaker 4: It's really exciting. So I've not been scared. I've just

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Speaker 2: I've always wondered about these ghost television shows where they

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Speaker 2: always have something happening. What great timing, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, because it's television, something has to happen. Nobody wants

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Speaker 4: to make it exciting. I couldn't possibly say that they're

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Speaker 4: deliberately creating events, but it does seem very suspicious when

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Speaker 2: Do you take a team with you when you were

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Speaker 4: I certainly never go alone. It's not recommended to go

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Speaker 4: alone on a ghost hunt. Why not one because you

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Speaker 4: might be putting yourself in a dangerous situation. Or if

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Speaker 4: there's a witness there that you're going to see, you

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Speaker 4: don't want to potentially put them in a dangerous situation

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Speaker 4: because they might not know who you are. And then

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Speaker 4: also if something does happen, you want a witness there.

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Speaker 4: You want someone else to see if they're seeing and

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Speaker 4: experiencing what you're seeing. And of course, if you're looking

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Speaker 4: at a big building, because we've looked at some enormous buildings,

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Speaker 2: Right now, and that, beyond a shadow of a doubt,

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Speaker 2: ghosts are real.

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Speaker 4: Yes. I again, I can't say what a ghost is,

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Speaker 4: but people definitely see ghosts.

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Speaker 2: What do you think a ghost might be?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of things ranging from misperception

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Speaker 4: experiences people have they can be interactive. Some ghosts multiple

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Speaker 4: people see them, So yeah, definitely think they exist.

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Speaker 2: What would you say a demon is.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's more complicated one. There seems to be an

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Speaker 4: awful lot more demon cases recently, although of course in

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Speaker 4: the past they were reported as people being possessed by demons.

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Speaker 4: But again there was a lot of misperception in times

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Speaker 4: It's turned out to actually be psychological psychiatric things going

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Speaker 4: suspicious about demons. But certainly there've been cases of possession

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Speaker 2: Would you say in that you're very spiritual?

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Speaker 4: No, with the Blunt's answer, not in a traditional sense.

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Speaker 4: I don't have belief in God or heaven or Hell.

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Speaker 4: that's more spirituality than an actual religious belief.

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Speaker 2: I think. I'm not trying to put you down, but

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Speaker 2: you do not believe in a creator.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, obviously, I've got family who very strongly do.

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Speaker 2: It's it just.

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Speaker 4: It's something that I thought about for years and years,

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Speaker 4: and I just can't quite come to accept that. I

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Speaker 4: creator making everything it just unless, of course, we're living

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Speaker 4: in a matrix type scenario, in which case there may

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Speaker 4: be somebody pulling the strings somewhere, and that might count

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Speaker 4: for all these apparent glitchers.

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Speaker 2: See, your argument of doubt is exactly why I believe

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Speaker 2: in a creator. There's there's so much complexity on this planet,

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Speaker 2: just too much order and to what's thought process, something,

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Speaker 2: whatever it may be, call it God, something was a

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Speaker 4: It is brilliant. But I like to believe that nature

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Speaker 4: itself is the brilliant one in its nature.

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Speaker 2: Maybe nature is God.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe that might turn out to be the case.

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Speaker 2: Could you accept that as an explanation?

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Speaker 4: That will make more sense to me because nature is

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Speaker 4: more of an all encompassing, working together entity rather than

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Speaker 4: generally people think of God as some bloke with a

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Speaker 4: white beard sitting in heaven directing it all. That's what

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Speaker 2: Well, I do too, I mean I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: whether it's nature or whatever it might have been. How

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Speaker 4: That is another big question. And potentially it started. I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously there's the Big Bang theory, but maybe it's happened

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Speaker 4: over and over again. Maybe we're just living in one

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Speaker 4: in might might not be the whole story.

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Speaker 2: And maybe what do you think? What do you think

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Speaker 2: of angels?

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Speaker 4: Well, again, to believe in angels as we think of

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Speaker 4: them with you know, beings that are associated with God,

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Speaker 4: i'd have to believe in God, which I don't particularly,

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Speaker 4: So angels I think are potentially more like they could

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Speaker 4: be more like haunting experiences or the demon experiences. But

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Speaker 4: like I say, to believe in angels as we traditionally

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Speaker 4: think of angels, I'd have to believe in God as

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Speaker 4: we traditionally believe in God.

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Speaker 2: And what do you think of prayer?

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Speaker 1: Prayer?

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Speaker 4: Prayer I think is very helpful for people. Prayer definitely

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Speaker 4: helps people with their mental health, with their spiritual health,

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Speaker 4: and there is some evidence that prayer can actually help.

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Speaker 4: There have been instances. I know people always say I'll

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Speaker 4: pray for you, but there have been instances where prayer

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Speaker 4: has appeared to help people. Again, whether that is prayer

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Speaker 4: being answered by some being above, or whether it's actually

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Speaker 4: our minds causing it to happen, which it could be

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Speaker 4: because we've seen that human minds can affect physical objects,

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Speaker 4: so there's no reason why people praying couldn't concentrate that

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Speaker 4: thought into causing something to happen.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible though, that prayer goes to

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Speaker 2: a higher power.

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Speaker 4: That's not my personal belief. Again, I could be wrong,

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Speaker 4: but that's not my personal belief.

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Speaker 2: But do you think it's possible?

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Speaker 4: Well, anything's possible, isn't it, Which is why we're looking

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Speaker 4: at the paranormal. We realize that anything's possible.

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