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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Edith State is that woof woof?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid burbb of boys and girls.

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Speaker 3: My name is Hildebrandt, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, Illinois, the one and only deanrew Berstein.

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Speaker 1: Sir, how are you? I'm pretty good? I am. I

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Speaker 1: was not on the previous show, was I No, I

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Speaker 1: was on the previous show, the show before that, So

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Speaker 1: it's good to get a rhythm with you once again.

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Speaker 1: I was not on the nil show. Correct? Correct? You

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Speaker 1: interviewed Michael Felder and Ross Ellinger Felder from Stadium and

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad to be back in a rhythm. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to be back with you. I'm glad to be

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Speaker 1: back with our guest who are having on for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a while.

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Speaker 3: Man Bill Connolly, long time for the show. Bill Connolly,

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Speaker 3: formerly of Vespianation, now with the ESPN. Bill is the

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Speaker 3: like the Grand puba of all things advanced metrics as

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Speaker 3: it relates to college football. The sp plus is something

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Speaker 3: that we cite regularly here on the show that we've

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Speaker 3: taken great stock in over the last couple of years

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Speaker 3: as we've tried to put together our own projections and

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Speaker 3: predictions and just to be more informed about the sport

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Speaker 3: on the whole. The sp plus and what Bill does

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Speaker 3: is all just very rich content. So we had him

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Speaker 3: on last year. I think if memory serves, either in

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Speaker 3: the throes of the pandemic or during the pandemic, just

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Speaker 3: to try and make heads or tails of what all

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Speaker 3: the numbers meant. And I think we're trying to continue

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Speaker 3: some of that conversation today, just looking forward now into

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. How much of what we saw last

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Speaker 3: year is relevant? How much of it are we crumpling

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean there were elements to me ty that

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Speaker 1: rang true no matter how many, no matter the kind

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Speaker 1: of year or season it was. I mean, Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: a kid, I'm a snarky idiot, It's a very good question,

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Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to make heads or tails of it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm extremely thankful that we got Bill see to

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Speaker 1: come on the show and sort of talk about everything

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Speaker 1: from a numbers perspective, everything from a non numbers perspective.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask him about his campaign to be

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Speaker 1: college football commissioner from a few years ago and how

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Speaker 1: that's coming along, and just in general, you know, how

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Speaker 1: his numbers have evolved in evaluating and projecting out the

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Speaker 1: sport we love, for sure.

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Speaker 3: So Bill Connelly will be stopping on by here momentarily

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Speaker 3: as we slowly ramp up and get a little bit

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Speaker 3: closer to the college football season. Dan, don't forget, We've

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Speaker 3: got all sorts of excitement coming towards the end of

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Speaker 3: Twelve years in the making, Yes, that's been the branding.

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Speaker 3: Dan, how about, without further ado, we kick it over

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Speaker 3: to our friend Bill. All Right, Dan joining us once again,

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Speaker 3: longtime friend of the podcast, you know him well, works

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Speaker 3: for ESPN these days. His name is mister Bill Kohly, Sir,

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Speaker 1: We have information on most notable college football media personalities,

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Speaker 1: and it's we're using it for data mining and advertising.

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Speaker 1: That noble. That's where it's. Yeah. So yeah, everybody should

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Speaker 1: be reading Bill Connelly. I mean he's previewing teams, he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is is there are there other teams that that

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Speaker 1: That could be a metric time. Maybe you're really good

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Speaker 2: Like the point of those projections are basically program health

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Speaker 2: then you know how much of last year's team do

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Speaker 2: I'm more comfortable. It's just kind of leaning on those

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Speaker 2: And one of the things I've done since those initial

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Speaker 2: Ohio and you played three games last year, your returning production, Like,

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Speaker 2: They're probably going to be a pretty good no matter what,

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Speaker 3: Have you gotten any feedback? I mean I already know

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Speaker 2: My favorite so far is anytime I mentioned anything about

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Speaker 1: And return both Polini bo Polini should be.

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Speaker 2: Back sure exactly, No like there's a there's a clear

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Speaker 2: all over again. Everything's fine. It still means something that

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. Like's they could obviously be much

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Speaker 1: Was there anything confirmed because of the extreme circumstances of

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Speaker 4: No, okay, is midway through the season, the answer would

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Speaker 2: Well, when I was started to play with the numbers

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Speaker 2: that's a good sign for those like these big program

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Speaker 1: So how different overall was sp plus last year than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the two I generally tend to lean on. Well,

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Speaker 2: basically like whichever direction you miss, how many points are

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Speaker 2: fifty three fifty four percent against the spread and like

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Speaker 2: average error. Basically last year it was like fifty one

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Speaker 1: It was still like it wasn't significantly swung in a direction, right,

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Speaker 1: It was still better than flipping a coin. It was

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Speaker 1: just that, among other things, Vegas had a better read

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Speaker 1: because you know, when you're setting those lines, you are

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Speaker 2: For absences and all that stuff, and s P plus

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Speaker 1: The long term. And this is something you've chronicled your

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Speaker 1: five factors, right, the factors that help to that most

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Speaker 1: determine who wins a game, obviously, and I believe this

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Speaker 1: is still the case. Explosiveness, how well you generate big

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Speaker 1: Of your five factors, have any of those five factors,

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Speaker 1: So that's also what efficiency field position the turnover battle,

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Speaker 2: Not really? I mean, I think the most interesting thing,

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Speaker 2: countu the big plays in the turnovers, you know who

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Speaker 2: probably won the football game. But you can't then coach

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Speaker 2: don't turn the ball over, go take that ball away.

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Speaker 2: You know that doesn't that's not coachable really. But the

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Speaker 2: you know, fifty percent on first down, seventy second, hundred

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Speaker 2: how well you finish drives. If you're able to carve

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Speaker 2: For the most part, it feeds into expulsiveness really because

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Speaker 1: So have there been any metrics that are getting close

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Speaker 1: There's something about that that that rings true to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it is statistically significant like the

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Speaker 2: Right, No, I mean that's that's the other side of

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Speaker 2: losing the field position back, right, Yeah. I mean basically

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Speaker 2: that feeds into efficiency the my favorite, my HAVOC rate

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Speaker 2: per play. Basically that also informs that success rate measure

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Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. I mean, you're pushing people backwards. Not

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Speaker 2: that they're probably not going to convert. And that's another

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Speaker 2: like that are very useful and they kind of feed

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Speaker 3: Bill, Do you have any way in the sp plus

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Speaker 1: Track record of coaches and specific things? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so I can say that overall. I

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Speaker 2: already have that spreadsheet pulled up. Let's see go on

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Speaker 2: So on average a coach's first year, on average, you're

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Speaker 2: going to drop about zero point eight adjusted points per game.

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Speaker 2: That's how I present SP plus is adjusted points per game.

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Speaker 2: You're going to drop about zero point eight on average

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Speaker 2: that first year. Now, you know if you were if

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Speaker 2: there's still context there, But I thought it was interesting enough.

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Speaker 2: Year two, however, you improve on average by two point

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Speaker 2: seven points per game. Your three is one point three,

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Speaker 2: It is just kind of a slow trickle down effect

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Speaker 2: just because I don't know what of that data actually

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Speaker 3: So when Bill, when you're looking at a at a coach,

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Speaker 3: maybe not a new coach, but someone who's been there

435
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: while I'll use Harball Jim Harbaugh as an example, or anybody, frankly,

436
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 3: are you looking at that individual on like a three year,

437
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 3: four year time horizon, Like, if it's working by the

438
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: end of the fourth year, we're good. If it's not,

439
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: or if it starts to trickle you see that number

440
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 3: go in the opposite direction sooner. Are you able to

441
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: use that with any kind of reliability to predict who's

442
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: going to be canned versus who's going to stick around?

443
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Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't not directly, Like, I don't include

444
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: that in the you know, it's Jim Harbaugh's sixty year

445
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: or whatever it is now, Therefore they're not likely to

446
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: jump any higher than the curlier like that doesn't make

447
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: it any into the numbers, certainly makes it into the opinions. However,

448
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we certainly know his best chance for a leap,

449
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: and he did. He did engineeringly those first two years,

450
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: but he didn't get quite as far as everyone hoped.

451
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: And now we've seen that kind of slow trickle down.

452
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 2: It is hard to reach bound once you've kind of

453
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 2: gone past that the initial three four five year cycle.

454
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: It's not impossible, and it's we don't have a big

455
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: sample of guys who've got the chance to rebound. Some

456
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 2: of them did, Gary Pinkle, but yeah, but like that

457
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: that is certainly a concern if you're a Michigan fan

458
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: right now is like it's you can turn the ship

459
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: around again. It's just it's a lot harder to do

460
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: the second time.

461
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Speaker 3: I bring up coaches in the first place, because on

462
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: the last episode Dan and I did, he basically backed

463
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: me into a corner into being Steve Starkesian's biggest fan.

464
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm in the front car of the bandwagon.

465
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Speaker 3: In the front car of the bandwagon. Okay, this is

466
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: why we invited him on Dan, Yes, of course. So

467
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Speaker 3: what we did on the last episode is we looked

468
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Speaker 3: at some of the early lines, for whatever that's worth,

469
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Speaker 3: and I think we saw in week two, maybe Texas

470
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: is a Yeah, Texas is only a three and a

471
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Speaker 3: half point favorite against Arkansas. There's a game later in

472
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Speaker 3: the year against TCU where they're a one and a

473
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Speaker 3: half point dog. There are a couple there were like

474
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Speaker 3: three or four Texas games that we called out, and

475
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: it felt to me like the lines were disrespecting Texas

476
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: in like a true Michigan state fashion. It just didn't

477
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: seem right to me that they would not be given

478
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: more respect. What did you see when you did the

479
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: breakdown of the Big twelve and looking at Texas, why

480
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: are you in the front car of that bandwagon.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really annoying when you're like, you know,

482
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: who's underrated this year, Texas. There's nothing more frustrated than that.

483
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: You feel so gross. I mean, the big thing with

484
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: Sarkesian is he never like the wrap he got at

485
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: Washington was you know, they never really broke through, They

486
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: never got the they never won a division title, they

487
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: never whatever. Yeah, he inherited a program that ranked one

488
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: hundred and fourteenth in SP plus and even if you

489
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: use like a five year average, because I mean they're

490
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: obviously special circumstances are just weirdness it all, you know,

491
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: snowballs that last year they still were at like a

492
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: top seventy five average before he arrived at Washington. Then

493
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: they went sixty seven, sixtieth, fifty, third, forty ninth and

494
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: fifteenth the last year, lost a couple of close games,

495
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: only went nine and four that last year, and Washington

496
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: fans were just fed up with him, like this is

497
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: just we're done. He's a mediocre coach. We need somebody doing. Granted,

498
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: they still made an upgrade when he left for USC.

499
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: They then turned around and got one of the five

500
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: best coaches in sports, so they made it upgrade. But

501
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: those are the guys I ended up finding myself defending

502
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: a lot, as you know. The yesterday I had a

503
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: Big twelve fan or Minnesota fan yelling at me because

504
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: in my Big twelve preview I said Glenn Mason was

505
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: underrated at Kansas. He was so mediocre, Like, yeah, here's

506
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: what Kansas and Minnesota were before he was there. Here's

507
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: where they were when he was there, and then here's

508
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: where they were when they left. Like it was still

509
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: he still he achieved more, as did Sarkisian, than he

510
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: was given credit for. So that's I don't I've never

511
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: really considered him an he'd head coach, but I found

512
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: myself defending him a whole lot over these last five, six, seven,

513
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: eight years. And then he goes to Alabama. Eventually, we know,

514
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: you know, everything that happened to USC and all those things,

515
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: but he goes to Alabama and crafts the most not

516
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to talk specifically about talent,

517
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: but you know last year they had the most modern,

518
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: perfectly modernized offense and optimized offense that we've ever seen,

519
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: even more than Nellisu the year before. Yes, talent had

520
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: to play with that, but just the way they created matchups,

521
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: the way they used motion, the way they used RPOs,

522
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: all those things. Like he has he knows what a

523
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: perfect offense looks like. That doesn't mean the Texas is

524
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: going to rank first in every offensive metric this year,

525
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: but he, like, I'm confident at this point, I'm as

526
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: confident in his offensive knowledge as anybody in the sport.

527
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: And he's got the John Robinson and maybe a good

528
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: quarterback and fast receivers and all that. So I think

529
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: there's definitely reason to for them to at least play

530
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: like a top twenty level. I mean, obviously, you know

531
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: we're thinking of this. You know, if it's Texas, then

532
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: top twenty isn't really you know, amazing. But at the

533
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: very least, their often should be awesome, and their defense

534
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: we'll see. I love the Kreatkowski higher, but you know,

535
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: they definitely have experience. They've always had experience and recruiting

536
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: rankings in their favor, and that hasn't resulted in good

537
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: defense in a while. But yeah, everything you're saying, like

538
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: right now, I'm looking at you know, from those February

539
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: projections that I talked about, I had them favored by

540
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: only five against Louisiana because Louisiana just blew up the

541
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: returning production measure out of the water. But then I

542
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: have them favored by six against Arkansas, nineteen against Tech,

543
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: three against TCU. What did you say those lines were?

544
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Speaker 1: Techs was a dog by a point and a half

545
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Speaker 1: against TCU. TCU was a point and a half favorite

546
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: at home against.

547
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Speaker 2: I don't really. I mean, TCU could be awesome too,

548
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 2: but they have more offensive question marks than Texas has

549
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: defensive question marks. I think, so, yeah, yeah, no, I

550
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: I would. I see them as as certainly a top

551
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: twenty team. And it's real real to count the ifts

552
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: as that piece that are right each June. It doesn't

553
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: take that many ifs to make them a top five

554
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: or ten team.

555
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to sark and Alabama's twenty twenty,

556
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: which and I look this up and you include this

557
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: in your metrics, but they're points per drive without without

558
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: garbage time was something like four point four points per drive,

559
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: which is cartoonish. It's an absolute cartoon It's the biggest

560
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: number I think ever if we were probably to look back,

561
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: it seems like it is more than any of those

562
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: Oregon or more of those Oklahoma Lincoln Riley teams. I know,

563
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: when you look at like NBA advanced metrics, we know pace,

564
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: we know you know, offensive rating, defensive rating, and we

565
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: can adjust per the era, right like we know that

566
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, in the last ten years. Whatever is the

567
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: case with the NBA of how many possessions per game

568
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: do you adjust for era? Can you look at like

569
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: what Alabama's twenty twenty one relative to the last five years,

570
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: medium in points per drive whatever, how much of an

571
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: outlier that is for the era compared to say, I

572
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: don't know, Nebraska's nineteen ninety five offense relative to the era.

573
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: Is that something that you've ever examined?

574
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean sort of, because like I still, you know,

575
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: we still only have complete play by play going back

576
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: to you know, oh five ish base right, That's true,

577
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: and so it's hard to dive too far into some

578
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: of these just because we I mean, from before that

579
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: we'll probably have yards per game and yards per play

580
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: and points per game and all that, but we won't

581
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: have necessarily the dramatic selection of detail that we now have.

582
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 2: I can say, as I played with the filter on

583
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: this little spreadsheet that I have pulled up that in

584
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Speaker 2: the last what do you want to say, fifty years,

585
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: We'll say fifty years. So since nineteen seventy twenty twenty,

586
00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: Alabama ranked tenth in offensive best people as a person

587
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: centile of everybody's offensive ratings. So not just that raw.

588
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: I mean they're justin points per game last year is

589
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: fifty point eight. That's pretty ridiculous. But when you adjust

590
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: for the eras and the other teams in the country

591
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: that year, right, they graded out of the ninety nine

592
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: point seven percentile or sorry, ninety nine point nine percent

593
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: dile on offense. The nineteen eighty three Nebraska offense is

594
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: the best on record in that time with ninety nine

595
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: point ninety nine four percentile. So it was it was

596
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: right there. It was right there with the best offenses

597
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: we've seen. The other ones from the twenty first century.

598
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: The only ones above it are twenty eighteen Oklahoma, which

599
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: was pretty great. Yeah, right, and strangely enough two thousand

600
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: and four in Louisville. That's a that's a fun one

601
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: to throw into the mix there.

602
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Speaker 1: And we always assume, obviously with every sport. Athletes get better,

603
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: coaches get better over time, so it's not crazy to say, oh, yeah, yeah,

604
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Alabama offense and dealing with the smart

605
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: coaches and players have ever been, in terms of technology

606
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: and scouting as the best offense probably we've seen.

607
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: It was. Actually, it's funny to think about the stats

608
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: that Mac Jones produced last year and the fact that

609
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: he didn't win the Heisman. I think the Alabama's perfection

610
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: hurt him. Yeah, because he didn't end up. He's still

611
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: at the end of the year didn't really get all

612
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: the credit. He was like, wow, well me, they just

613
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: look at that talent, like, well, yeah, a lot of

614
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: teams have had talent and loads of talent, but nobody

615
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: else had done that before. And he was not only

616
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: he was the second quarterback on the Heisman voting, and

617
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: he was the second Alabama player on the Heisman voting.

618
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: And that's still kind of mind blowing to me.

619
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to factors a little bit.

620
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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you wish you had data on

621
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Speaker 1: that you think would make your numbers smarter? That's just

622
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, is it injuries, whatever it is? Is that

623
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: what I see you not and say what do you

624
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: wish you had?

625
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the injury thing is, I think it's

626
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: harder now. It's worse now than it was like five

627
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: years ago to keep up with who who's out, who's

628
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: hurt and all that that, you know, Because I mean

629
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: now I got you know, I've got the I got

630
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: the worldwide leaders dashboard. It might as look guy, yeah,

631
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: pressure numbers, I got snap numbers. I got all these

632
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: things now that I wish I had for like the

633
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: last twenty years, so I could kind of compare and

634
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: understand what I'm seeing a little better. But we still

635
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: just don't really have, especially after last year, you know,

636
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: being able to isolate, you know, how many games the

637
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 2: you know, displayer or that player was out and what

638
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: effect it had. Because I mean that that really does.

639
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be great to have like an injury.

640
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Just at SP plus, they're they're twenty their six point

641
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: eight favorites six point eight point favorites, but the quarterbacks

642
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: hurt therefore they're only three point seven point favorites or whatever.

643
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: But just compiling that is really hard. One of the

644
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: gambling sites, don best dot com had a good running

645
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: list for a couple of years there, but I remember, yeah,

646
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it was even all that up to

647
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: date last year or not nearly as reliable. And because

648
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: finding the information is hard and coaches are getting more

649
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: paranoid and making that information less available, and so that's frustrating.

650
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 2: I think that it would be great to have a

651
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: reliable injury list, so to speak. And we're never going

652
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: to a college at the college level.

653
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: When you look at year to year improvement, is there

654
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: a metric that you find teams outperform their expectations per

655
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: sp plus and underperform expectations because like, okay, they their

656
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: talent wasn't all that different, their schedule was pretty typical,

657
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: but they're ha a rate shot up or they're passing

658
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: explosion rates shot up. Is there is there an outperform

659
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: underperform number that you tend to see well, to.

660
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: Flip that around the other way, there are definitely the

661
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: numbers that you know if they were too good or

662
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: too bad last year, whether whether sp plus accounts for

663
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: them or not or only does indirectly, it's it's you know,

664
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: you've got plenty of those factors. The old phil Steel

665
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: turnovers equal turnaround, right, and you know I've got my

666
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: second order win totals and everything where you know, looking

667
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: at the postgame expectancy number that I come up with,

668
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: but like it's it's really been because I mean every

669
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: year somebody goes like six and one in one score

670
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: games and therefore drastically over achieves its record, and you

671
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: can Bud Elliott and I at Espionation for a long

672
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: time tried to kind of isolate like one of the

673
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: factors that go into that certain coaches are more likely

674
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: to win close games or maya was always get out

675
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: of Bill Snyder can Liamdololo. They always overachieved by like

676
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: one win per year compared to what s PEO plus

677
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: thought they should have had. But what is it about

678
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: those Is it the ones that had that really can

679
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: just always convert third and threes? They have a good kicker,

680
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: you know they can right there, They're always in field

681
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: goal range, they can, you know, just some of those factors.

682
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: That was one of the things but always talked about.

683
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: It is like quarterbacks and good special teams. Those two things,

684
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: it seems like can make at least a one win

685
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: difference per year. So that's always there are always those

686
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: teams that catch fire and some of them do it

687
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: too much and it's unsustainable. But you do figure there's

688
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: something in there regarding just the little details, the middle

689
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: eight that Clemson always does well at and all those

690
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: little things that you can just produce a few more

691
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: points per game. And that's something that I don't think

692
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: s people probably accounts for enough. Like it gets down

693
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: that road that probably doesn't account for quite enough.

694
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: Yet let's stick with coaches, because you are so deep,

695
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: both with your previews and looking at the numbers all

696
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: year long and watching the games that you watch. It

697
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: all goes into your sort of brain stew Are there

698
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: any coordinators that and I'm just talking purely from production,

699
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: and a lot more goes into either hiring the coordinator

700
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: as a head coach or taking a coordinator at a

701
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: smaller place and making him a coordinator at a bigger place.

702
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: Are there coordinators that whose name you repeatedly see or

703
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: whose schools you repeatedly see, and you think to yourself,

704
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: somebody get this guy, Somebody throw money at this human.

705
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: One of them is Great Kowski at Washington now Texas.

706
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: He was one that I was been interested in for

707
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: a while. Obviously, Jimmy Lake kind of hopped his name

708
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: in the pecking order for Peterson replacement. But he's been

709
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: associated with a lot of really really good defenses. Ady

710
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Avolois is one, Yeah, and he went back to like

711
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: the perfect spot for him, obviously, going back to Boise State. Yeah,

712
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: his defense wasn't even all that amazing last year. But

713
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: now I'm very very confident that he's going to do

714
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: well at Boise State. He knows everything he needs to

715
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: know there. Let's see, I had to pull up a

716
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: list of teams because I was guaranteed, yeah, somebody. But

717
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: I do think.

718
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: Well, I remember I remember seeing like Todd Orlando's name

719
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: at Utah State, and he like he would put together

720
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: the best rushing defenses year in and year out with

721
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: his defense. And I remember Tom Herman hired him without

722
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: ever having met him, just because his reputation preceded him.

723
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: And he actually put together some good defenses in Texas

724
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: and you know had bad injury lock. They are all

725
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: sorts of things that went into it. But there are

726
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: always those names. You're like, somebody's somebody's going to hire

727
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: this guy.

728
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: And I think with a lot of those guys, like

729
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: it's basically like Don Brown, if you get Don Brown

730
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: two good cornerbacks and two good defensive ends, doesn't really

731
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: matter what else he has, He's going to have a

732
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: killer defense. And so maybe it's the same way with Orlando.

733
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: He obviously improved USC quite a bit there. He had

734
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: great safeties and at least one good cornerback at USC

735
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: last year, whereas year before Texas their their defensive back

736
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: deal was a giant mess, both in terms of injuries

737
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: and development. So, you know, maybe it is kind of

738
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: like that. You just each guy needs a couple of pieces,

739
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: a couple of items for and then he can make

740
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: a good stew out of it. So along those lines,

741
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: like give Phil Longo a couple of deep threats, Yeah

742
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna use them. Like that doesn't mean he's gonna

743
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: he would be a great offensive coordinator, Like I don't.

744
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I almost don't want to name a school

745
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: because he would sound mean now, But but like it,

746
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: you know, if you go to a school where you've

747
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: got a three hundred and sixty pound lineman and three

748
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: good running backs, but the receivers are all kind of

749
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: slot possession guys, maybe he doesn't really know what to

750
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: do with that recipe. Give him two deep threats and

751
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: a quarterback you can throw a long way and he

752
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: probably is going to score thirty five points game. So

753
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: that's kind of been interesting. It was funny at the

754
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: end of last year with everything being so weird, like

755
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: when guys did get fired and the coaching changes were

756
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: still made, I didn't really have a list in my

757
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: head of Okay, this guy better get get a job

758
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: this year. And maybe that's why we saw kind of

759
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: a weird set of HighRes like the Beamers of the

760
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: world who didn't really have the killer coordinator experience. But

761
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: it was I mean, everything else was so weird about

762
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so that's not a surprise. But you know,

763
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: we got to the end of the road just didn't

764
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: have a list of this guy has to get ahead

765
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: coaching job this year kind of kind of names.

766
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Hey, Bill, I've got in front of me an old

767
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: article of yours going back to so a little over

768
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: four years ago, which you know, we were all younger

769
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: and more full of life back then.

770
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: Naive more naive.

771
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: Sure this is back in your espionation days. This was

772
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: your Bill Connolly for a college football commissioner piece.

773
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, and it's interesting.

774
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: On a number of levels, because you had nine pillars,

775
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: nine things that you were including as part of your

776
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: vision for college football. By my count, four four and

777
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: a half five of them have actually been fixed. Now

778
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: fixed is a relative term. Mind, you've addressed, they've addressed,

779
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you addressed. They've expanded the playoff now

780
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: you had advocated at the time for six to eight teams.

781
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on now, as you know, with

782
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: nil which could bring back the video game, which is

783
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: one of the things that you called out, as well

784
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: as modifying what amateurism means. There's a tie in there

785
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: with like a student athlete Bill of Rights. Recruiting has

786
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: been tweaked along the way here where is the bill

787
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: C for CFB commissioner at right now? How are you

788
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: feeling like this campaign's been dormant, let's say, for a while,

789
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: but if you had the dust off the old vision statement,

790
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: how are you feeling about the state of college football

791
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: with some of the advances we've made.

792
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a pretty good commissioner, honestly, YEA

793
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: nailing it? No? I mean yeah, Like obviously some of

794
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: the more addressed in ways that I didn't necessarily in ten,

795
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: Like we rezumed right past eight to twelve, which still

796
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't dislike a twelve team playoff, but I still

797
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: just kind of like, wow, that wasn't necessary. It was good,

798
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: but now like we're in a world War twenty sixteen,

799
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Colorado goes to the playoff, and I just like I'm

800
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: still wrapping my head around that a little bit. But no,

801
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: like the modernizing and amateurism thing, obviously that works, not

802
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: done by any means, but we just we finally four

803
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: years later, like ten years after we all started talking

804
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: about it, like that hurdle has been clear to some

805
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: regard in the next year's so much fun because everybody's

806
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: just gonna be throwing stuff with the wall. Half of

807
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: it's not going to work. That Jim in Miami that's

808
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: going to apparently start paying like six hundred thousand dollars

809
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: a year to Miami athletes. We'll see if that keeps up,

810
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: but like that's going to be the marketplace is going

811
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: to be fascinating, and then it'll kind of right itself

812
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it will start to benefit Alabama within

813
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: a couple of years. But still like that's that has

814
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: been at least addressed, and we are finally going down

815
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: that road, and we can kind of put a tentative

816
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: X over that one. That one's been nice. The Student

817
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: Athlete Bill of Rights thing was was intended to kind

818
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: of go down that same road, and it was intended

819
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: to not only cover name, image, likeness, but just like

820
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: long term healthcare and some of those things that ended

821
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: up in it was it was a Chris Murphy's Senate

822
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: bill that probably won't pass because there's a lot of

823
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: other stuff in there that people will reject, but that

824
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: one just the healthcare aspect of things, especially if you know,

825
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: even though the students get to make money now and

826
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: that's awesome, like just if we're really going to set

827
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: a system up to where our teams are playing seventeen

828
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: games up to seventeen games, like, the healthcare aspect of

829
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: things still needs to very much be specifically addressed in

830
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: this case, whether it's just like you know, insurance, whether

831
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: it's a medical trust fund, whatever it is. So that

832
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: one is I think the ball is rolling, but we're not.

833
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: There's nothing specific about that. Yeah. The video game, that one,

834
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: it was funny, like all these serious things I had

835
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: in there in the video game was the one that

836
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: without a doubt. Yes, yes we have to. Yeah, but

837
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: not only name image like this, but the group licensing.

838
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: The progress that's been made in that regard seems like

839
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: we're headed within a couple of years to getting the

840
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: video games.

841
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: It's such a weird turn of events as it relates

842
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: to the video game, because we've had this conversation this show.

843
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've had it, you know, countless times on

844
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: your own bill. It is incredible to me that we're

845
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: going to look back at that last version of the

846
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: NCAA video game and when we tell the story of

847
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: college football fifty years from now, that video game is

848
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: going to have such an outsized impact on the way

849
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: things went as it relates to amateurism and just like

850
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: so many different aspects of college football, we could never

851
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: have predicted that back then, but this is this is

852
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: where we're at now.

853
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: Didn't really see that coming when I was playing in

854
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: ninety eight in.

855
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: The dorms, right, we're on year ninety eight of our dynasty, right, like,

856
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: you could never have foreseen that it would have that

857
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: kind of lasting impact.

858
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that it has been, and that game in particular,

859
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: like not even we still a Madden technical you can

860
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: still play football on any video game platform, but that game,

861
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: in particular in the Dynasty mode specifically, was just a

862
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: even more of a game changer than we realized at

863
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: the time when we were, you know, staying up all

864
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: night and playing into twenty twenty four or whatever is

865
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: right in the dorms. But yeah, like that when like

866
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: what else, games are too damn long. That was another

867
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: one of the pillers.

868
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: So I was going to bring that up.

869
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: So the ones that I'm looking at that have been

870
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: addressed in some regard bringing back the video game, expanding

871
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: the playoff, the student Athlete Bill of Rights, and amateurism,

872
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: those kind of have morphed together to some extent. And recruiting, right,

873
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: Recruiting is is kind of always in a state of

874
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: being addressed before on here that I wanted to talk

875
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: through with you very quickly. You have a couple things

876
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: related to scheduling, so fixed scheduling by scrapping divisions and

877
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 3: moving to like a pods setup which we can which

878
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: we can discuss of course. Yeah, we have non conference scheduling,

879
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: and you've labeled this get weird. This is introducing the

880
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: concept of having like a bracketbuster Saturday of sorts to

881
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: maybe be a little bit more contextual as it relates

882
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: to a season.

883
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: Promotion relegation, which I love that's never going to happen.

884
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: That will never happens. It's a ballsy effort. I love

885
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the idea somehow, and this is this is like a

886
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: branch coming out from the trunk of promotion relegation. I

887
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: love the idea in the way that and maybe we'll

888
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: do an episode and the couple weeks about this that

889
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: there are really intriguing elements of other sports, right Like

890
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: at the top of F one racing, which I've really

891
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: gotten gotten into, they have like a mid tier I

892
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: forget what the name of it is, but like there's

893
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: like a legitimate battle for like number four, right, Like

894
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well, look, we're not in the top three,

895
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: but like we can be the best of the rest

896
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: and be legitimately respected for it. There has to be

897
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: some sort of weird element as the top of the

898
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: sport sort of pulls away recruiting wise, champions championship wise,

899
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: that we can say, okay, but here's this other thing

900
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: that we can take pride in. I don't know what

901
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: it means.

902
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: The bottom the very broad stroke idea behind promotion relegation

903
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: is make this damn sport like actually merit based. Yeah,

904
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: you know, because that was, you know, as the example

905
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: I always give, like all most of these conferences are

906
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: their membership is dictated primarily by who your friends were

907
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty two, and therefore Kansas football always gets

908
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: to be a power conference team. Boise State will never

909
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: be a power conference team because they didn't have the

910
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: right friends in nineteen thirty two. Boise Day was a

911
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: community college, I guess at that point. But that plus

912
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: geography means they're screwed. No matter how many how many

913
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: things you do right in a row, you will never

914
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: have the membership that the power conference membership that like

915
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: wake Forest does, and that sticks. I mean, sorry to

916
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: Deek fans, but.

917
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: And wake Forest is totally fine. They are totally fine

918
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: that they're not Kansas.

919
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I see what you're.

920
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: Saying, right, not Kansas dire, right right right, Kansas dire.

921
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, like, no matter how many wrong things Kansas

922
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: does in a row, they're in the Big twelve no

923
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: matter what. And you know, it just kind of most

924
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, like obviously, the promotion of relegation idea came

925
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: from European soccer, and European soccer has its own has

926
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: versus have nots problem. It's not like it solves everything,

927
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: but you know, it was just the idea that this

928
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: sport is just never has never been nearly a merit

929
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: based enough, and we should figure out ways to do that.

930
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: One of the things I'm curious about is, yeah, we're

931
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: not going to have a promotional relegation, but the one

932
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: when I don't remember what years this was. Now again,

933
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: time is not my friend, but when the Big Twelve

934
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: the last time the Big Twelve was thinking about expanding,

935
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, and they were stringing Houston along and then

936
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: decided to not to do that after all. But one

937
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: of the things that came about from that was like,

938
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: what if the Big Twelve expanded to twenty four teams

939
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: and was just two big twelves, like, you know, just

940
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: incorporate the AAC and have was just like a one

941
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: conference promotion relegation thing based on like the you know,

942
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: you have two twelve team conferences, the two worst go down,

943
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: the top two from the bottom come up. Like within

944
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: a structure, you could kind of do that, especially if

945
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: we're going to be in an era now where there's

946
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: no such thing as a Power five where the six

947
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: top conference champions get in. Like how fun was that? Like,

948
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: you know, you want to create a conference network where

949
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: you you always have inventory and always have something going

950
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: on that have a twice to you. So like even

951
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: if we even if we can't connect the SEC and

952
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: the Sun Belt to where Vanderbilt gets relegated and app

953
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: State goes up or whatever, we can still do that,

954
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Like that would be well.

955
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Then suddenly the Big twelve becomes the coolest conference. Is

956
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: that it's the unique quality of one you're gonna get

957
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: a hell of a TV deal. Two, you get to

958
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: talk about the Big twelve in a different way than

959
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: you get to talk about any other conference. And three,

960
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: even if you're not a Big twelve fan, you're probably

961
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: more likely to have an eye on that conference more

962
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: than perhaps another conference that you're not affiliated with.

963
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're the you got basically that top tier,

964
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: that twelve team conference. Whoever is in it in a

965
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: given year is gonna be the best conference in the

966
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: country or the second best at worst, Like nobody's going

967
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: to be outside the top four have the dead conference

968
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: because all the dead weight's gone down and the whoever,

969
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: the Houston's and the Cincinnaties of the world are now

970
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, and you've just got a glut

971
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: of awesome teams.

972
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: And it also solves a sort of playoff off entry issue,

973
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: right that like, you're not you're not getting into the

974
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: playff And obviously now it's changed with whenever the twelve

975
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: teamer starts. But if Cincinnati keeps just wrecking shop, it

976
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: also keeps coaches at places. Right, it's it's continuity. If

977
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: if Luke Fickle keeps winning ten eleven games at Cincinnati

978
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati is now considered to be a whatever Power

979
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: five champion, what reason does he have if he has

980
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: the infrastructure and the ability to get into the playoff

981
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: every year and get buys or whatever. What Why would

982
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: he go to Michigan State, which he turned down. Why

983
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: would he go to Virginia or Texas Tech something like that?

984
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: Right, Tom Hermon doesn't have to leave Houston. He can

985
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: just go and continue to try to build the state

986
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: of Houston, you know, seal the borders there and do

987
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: really the things he was He was doing some really

988
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: fun things there. There's nothing saying he would have kept

989
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: it up even if they were in the Big twelve.

990
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, those stories don't have to end as quickly

991
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: and that would just be more fun.

992
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: The other thing that you had here was that the

993
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: games are too damn long, which you know, we agree

994
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: on that, but let's go let's go back to the

995
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: pods thing. So you had talked about one way to

996
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: help with scheduling is to scrap the divisional setup and

997
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: you propose pods. So for people who aren't familiar, Dan

998
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: and I are, But for people out there who aren't,

999
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: what do you mean by pods?

1000
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: How is the ball rolling? What did you mean by that?

1001
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's funny is technically pods. It's not the right

1002
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: term to use, but it's just what we use, and so,

1003
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: you know whatever. But it originally stems from the Whack,

1004
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: the mid nineties Whack where they expanded to sixteen teams.

1005
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: They had four pods and you basically play your pod

1006
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: and somebody else's pod and Ryan Robin every year. That

1007
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 2: was the idea behind it, and it was pretty cool

1008
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, most teams there

1009
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: are few, like there are Tennessees out there that contradict this,

1010
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: but for the most part, most teams don't have to

1011
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: play more than about three teams each year, like just

1012
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: absolutely have to you know, we absolutely have to play

1013
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: our rivals kind of situation. And so if you were

1014
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 2: to take like the SEC and give everybody three permanent

1015
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: rivals again, like that's hard for Tennessee, it's hard for LSU,

1016
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: they've kind of got more than three, but for everybody else,

1017
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense. And that so that's three

1018
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: games a year. That leaves you ten other opponents each year,

1019
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: played five one year, five the next. Within four years,

1020
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: you've played everybody in your conference and around Robin. Like,

1021
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: the only reason Missouri and LSC have played twice in

1022
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: the first decade that Missouri has been in the Big

1023
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: Twelve is because the schedules got weird last year and

1024
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: they added LSU at the last second. And that's the

1025
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: only reason I think they played like miss Last year

1026
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: was the first time the second time they played Mississippi State.

1027
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: I think they've only played Old miss once. I believe

1028
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: it is hard to feel like a conference.

1029
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: And A and M Georgia played for the first time

1030
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen since they became conference partners.

1031
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all you have to do is take away

1032
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: an annual Missouri Florida game or miss Georgia or whatever,

1033
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, everybody's rotating and it feels

1034
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: like a conference and you have a history because that

1035
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: was one of the things, Like the four years I

1036
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: was at Missouri and in undergrad, Missouri played all of

1037
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: its Big twelve rivals twice at least, you know, they

1038
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: played six of them twice, play the other five four times.

1039
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: Everyone you know, once a year, and it felt like

1040
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: you had a history with Baylor, in Texas Tech and

1041
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: A and M and all those other schools because you

1042
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: were still even if you weren't playing them every year,

1043
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: you were still playing them frequently. And it like that's

1044
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: all you have to do, Like if you have it

1045
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: works perfectly. The math works perfectly with a fourteen team

1046
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: conference that plays eight games like the SEC or ACC.

1047
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: It gets a little messier if you make it nine

1048
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: games and the rotations are a little weird or and

1049
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: all that, but it can obviously be done. And it

1050
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: just yeah, you you were connected to everybody, and as

1051
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: a Missouri fan, it this wouldn't help in Missouri at all.

1052
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: Now suddenly you're playing Alabama and LSU and Arkansas are

1053
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: not Arkansas Auburn more, but it would still just it

1054
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: would make you a part of the conference you're in,

1055
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: and it would it would feel like an actual union there.

1056
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: So that's just from that standpoint, I like it. But

1057
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: also now it does feel like balls rolling like the

1058
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: actual conference. Higher ups of like the ACC have talked

1059
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: about it a little bit, and it seems like, you know,

1060
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: when if we're entering a twelve team era, a twelve

1061
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: team playoff era, you kind of want. You don't want

1062
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: a random ACC Coastal champion beating Clemson knocking them out

1063
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: of like a top four seed, maybe not getting one

1064
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: of the playoff bids. Anyway, if they had only gone

1065
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: like seven and five and just kind of generally sprewing

1066
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: your conference by pulling an upset, they'll talk about forever.

1067
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: You don't really want that anymore. If you're the head

1068
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: of a conference, you'd rather have a situation where you

1069
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: got your permanent rivals, big rotation, top two teams make

1070
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: the playoffs, or the conference you're done. So it makes

1071
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily what I had intended with my thought,

1072
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: but it is another reason for them to go down

1073
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: that road, and it seems like maybe there's progress in

1074
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: that regard.

1075
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: Is there any element to normalizing non conference portion of

1076
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: the schedule. Obviously, the NFL has their way where they

1077
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: have these cross divisional matchups that they do, like essentially

1078
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: home and homes with over a couple of years. I

1079
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: know you're a proponent of eight conference games across the board,

1080
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and it works well with pods because eventually everybody plays

1081
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: each other over the course of years or a couple

1082
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: of years, two three years. But the non conference portion

1083
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: of the schedule, obviously, it's good for the sports health

1084
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: for FCS programs to get into the mix, and it's

1085
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: not the worst thing for teams to have a week

1086
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: to you know, sort of get the motion into the season. Whatever.

1087
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: But what is your dream scenario for the non conference

1088
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: portion of the schedule? Number of games, how the games

1089
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: are scheduled, how the game is you know, are their

1090
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: ping pong balls where just the PAC twelve draws the

1091
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: AAC and they're like, well, is Oregon gonna play Cincinnati?

1092
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: Are they going to play USF Like, is there is

1093
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: there an element that appeals to you from the non

1094
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: conference standpoint?

1095
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like we've already passed this by but

1096
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: like the coolest thing about twenty twenties football season. One

1097
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: of the few things about twenty twenties football season was

1098
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: BYU and Coaster going, hey, you want to play on Saturday.

1099
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: You know it's Wednesday afternoon. You want to do this, Sure,

1100
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: we'll we've run a loss, and they did it, and

1101
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: it was like the I think I had the number

1102
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: three game of the year at the end of the year,

1103
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: and there was energy, there was just it was a

1104
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: fun matchup that we haven't seen. Like, there were just

1105
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: so many awesome things about it. And obviously, I mean,

1106
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: obviously you're when you're selling season tickets, you want to

1107
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: be able to tell your home crowd who they're playing,

1108
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: so you can't go too far down this road. But

1109
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: I just we everybody loved it, and I was hoping

1110
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: we could figure out a way to just introduce a

1111
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: little fewer Hey, Alabama and Boston College are going to

1112
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: play in twenty thirty four types of situations and soon

1113
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: as the season and we went right back to that,

1114
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: and it's it was, you know, it's it's kind of frustrating,

1115
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean.

1116
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: You're going to turn fifty three during that season. By

1117
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: the way, Thank you. I appreciate that. That math update.

1118
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, that Doug Flute's got to be

1119
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: like seventy five, but like it. So that was, you know,

1120
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: in that commission or platform thing. The thing I talked

1121
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: about was the bracketbuster idea where basically, you know, go

1122
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: ahead and schedule games, but you you got to leave

1123
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: one day it open each year and about three weeks

1124
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: out or two weeks or even I mean even one week.

1125
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Now we know we can. We know you can pull

1126
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: off a game in a week. You've got you know,

1127
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: whether you're playing home or away. But based on any

1128
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: number of different ways to separate teams out you yeah,

1129
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: you basically, depending on how your season is going, you

1130
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: are drawn an opponent that is having a similar level

1131
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: of season. So if you're a Cincinnati and or UCF

1132
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, where you've got an awesome team that

1133
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: has nobody to play, you know, suddenly you're depending on

1134
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 2: your ranking. Suddenly, now you've got a home game against

1135
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: Georgia and you get to prove yourself completely.

1136
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, ping pong balls please, There would

1137
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: be that it would be an incredible ratings bonanza. Would

1138
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: the na Draft lottery. You got to get you got

1139
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: to get your boy. George Clavicle on the case out there,

1140
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: the Pact Love Day. Oh my god. If we just

1141
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: had that random show on God, I don't know when,

1142
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: it would be October first or Halloween or something like

1143
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: that for like the third to last week of the season.

1144
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: It would be a it would be a bonanza entertaining show.

1145
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like that would be all the best

1146
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 2: parts of Twitter too, like reacting to that, it would

1147
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: be it would be the draft lottery like Times thirty

1148
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: or something.

1149
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: You have the cameras in the bars, like.

1150
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that would be It would be great.

1151
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: And I just wish there was, like we've seen what

1152
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: flexibility can do. Is flexibility was forced on everybody last year,

1153
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: and granted everybody handled it poorly in August, but then

1154
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: in November we started to kind of adapt and figure

1155
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: things out. And I wish that would be part of

1156
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: an Appearently it's not going to be.

1157
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: No final question, and we'll bring it back to the

1158
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season. We are now in July, which

1159
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: means we now not only have previews, we have takes,

1160
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: we have sports radio, we have TV we have conversations

1161
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: around the twenty twenty one season. Are there conversations around

1162
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: teams in either direction where you're like, I'm sorry, you

1163
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: think what about this team or what is nobody going

1164
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: to mention this team in this conversation? Do you have

1165
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: those teams that are not like sleepers are overrated any

1166
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: language like that where you're just like, I don't know,

1167
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't think the conversation might be a little bit

1168
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: misguided around in either direction. These teams.

1169
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I let's use one just in there, like,

1170
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if some people are taking the plunge and

1171
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: the side, you know what, they're back and others are

1172
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: so I can't really say that's like a conventional wisdom

1173
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but that one's been kind of interesting.

1174
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of hard to a degree because we,

1175
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: i mean, everybody kind of agrees, like we know five

1176
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: of the top six or so, So any of these conversations,

1177
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: it's going to be like, oh, really you think they're

1178
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: number twelve and that doesn't quite care to say kind

1179
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: of like wait necessarily, but I will say, based on

1180
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: the last year's sample, we're probably not taking Wisconsin and

1181
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: Penn State seriously enough, they both had super weird situations

1182
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: last year. You know, Wisconsin playing a small schedule, you know,

1183
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: looking great, then taking a bunch of weeks off and

1184
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: having a hugely rotating depth chart in all those things

1185
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: worse than a lot of other schools. Like on paper,

1186
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: like my numbers love Wisconsin because they're so reliable most

1187
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: of the time. But then also they return a lot

1188
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: of the guys who should have played more of a

1189
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: role last year but didn't. That just they seem to

1190
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: have a definite top ten potential. I'm not real sure

1191
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: we're thinking about that ten states. I mean, they got

1192
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator they probably wanted last year in Mike Yarsich,

1193
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: who scores forty points a game wherever he goes or

1194
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: thirty seven, and they've got at least two really good receivers,

1195
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback. We're not real sure what Clifford ceiling is,

1196
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: but he's probably got like top twenty QBR ceiling at

1197
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: the very least, and lots of good running backs. And

1198
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: their defense is always top twenty. So that seems like

1199
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: a pretty good recipe. Well, another one that we all

1200
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: we kind of have a handbreak for at all times

1201
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: is Miami like we along with like the same kind

1202
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: of like Texas vibe. I guess like, oh here we

1203
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: go again. We're picking Miami to do great things. They

1204
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: got a lot to offer this year, like more than

1205
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: they have and the only thing they lose from last

1206
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 2: year is basically the two defensive ends. But they always

1207
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: have great defensive ends, so if they have two more

1208
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: this year, then they don't really have a hole. And

1209
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: they've definitely got top ten potential, which they had last

1210
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: year until they completely ran out of gast the last

1211
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: two games. So those are some teams that were probably

1212
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: just not I'm not going to pretend any of them

1213
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: are like top three potential or anything, but those are

1214
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: three teams that probably are going to be better than

1215
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: we than our general assumptions.

1216
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: Think fair enough, alrighty Bill Connolly from ESPN, enjoy the

1217
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: rest of the Euros.

1218
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: You have to come back and talk soccer with me.

1219
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: Ok just give me that chance, give me. Okay, how

1220
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: about this? Who is your your number one tennis player

1221
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: under thirty? If we want to talk about.

1222
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: So the next gen? Yeah, the newest next gen?

1223
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: You at seats pass? I mean, team can't stay on

1224
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: the court, like who is right.

1225
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeahs is the most well round and obviously you had

1226
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: a really weird month and and bout out at Wimbledon.

1227
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: I guess the guy who had already played like fifteen

1228
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: grass court matches. But Pas is going to be awesome.

1229
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: He's he's the closest thing to Federer of the next gen.

1230
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: Just hurt, wonderfully well rounded. And I did get to

1231
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: write about my boys, said court this week.

1232
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: Yep, I ask a soccer question. You can do that too.

1233
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have.

1234
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: Too many soccer questions. So we're gonna bring Bill. We'll

1235
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: bring Bill back on.

1236
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: Well, you want a US you want a US men's team,

1237
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: women's team opinion? Do you want a euro's opinion? Tie?

1238
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: You got to give him coming out? You think it's

1239
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: in England. You think it's from England, don't.

1240
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: I think it's But it's more fun to say it's

1241
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: coming on.

1242
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: I have won a ton of money on the Euros.

1243
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: I told this to Dan. Really, yeah, we have to

1244
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: we'll bring you back.

1245
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: We need to talk about exclusively international soccer, exclusively internationally.

1246
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: Actually in our discord people are talking about it, so

1247
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: it would actually make for a good off topic show.

1248
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know whenever it is that you want to

1249
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: do that time. I don't even have to be on

1250
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: the show because I don't know it.

1251
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: Exclusively international soccer as it relates to the build up

1252
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty two World Cup.

1253
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: I have many thoughts Bill, many things.

1254
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: In that case, I will I will keep tamp down

1255
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: my RB Leipzig opinions. That'll be a different composition I

1256
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: can focus on Internationally.

1257
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: We can talk about that too, but we will bring

1258
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: you back. You and I have to talk soccer at

1259
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: the Boondesliga. Thoughts with Bill Connolly. Bill Connolly, how much

1260
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: money is Borushia Dortmann going to make? Okay, moving on

1261
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: to the end of the show, But first we need

1262
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: to thank you again Bill Connolly for your insight as always,

1263
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: we do appreciate it.

1264
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, we got to talk soon.

1265
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right again Bill Connolly, YESPNESPN dot com. Every

1266
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 3: time Bill is on, I feel like it's just a

1267
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 3: brain dump. I feel like we get so much information

1268
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: out of him. I never want to end the interview.

1269
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 3: We have time constraints, mind you, but never want to

1270
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: end that interview with him because he's just such a

1271
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: great source of college football information.

1272
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: Was I correct? And assuming that ARBI Leipzig is Bundesliga, it.

1273
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: Is Bundesliga, and I believe they are the American good club.

1274
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: They now have an American coach going into the twenty

1275
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: twenty one campaign.

1276
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: What do you know what RB is? Red Bull? Oh?

1277
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: Is it?

1278
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: I believe that.

1279
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't know that for sure, but if I had

1280
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: to take a guess, I believe it's Red.

1281
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: Bull Rosinbaal Sport Leipzig, right, Red Bull informally Red bullsy Leipzig.

1282
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I mean, I can't ever understand, and

1283
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: it's probably because I'm a bit of a dumb dumb

1284
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: how people can really truly go deep in more than

1285
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: one sport. And you see a lot of people do

1286
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: a very poor job of it in like the big

1287
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: broad generalist sports media, but people that like legitimately are

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Speaker 1: very good at covering multiple sports and sort of having

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Speaker 1: informed opinions. I don't understand it at all. I'm so

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Speaker 1: impressed with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill, his statistical view of the sports world is awesome.

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Speaker 3: So it extends to yeah, things like soccer, it extends

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Speaker 3: to things like tennis, which I know is a that's

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Speaker 3: a sweet spot for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so.

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Speaker 3: We always welcome him back to the show, and hopefully

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Speaker 3: we'll have to have him on at some point real soon.

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Speaker 1: We're coming up with something recurring for him. Hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: move into trouble, but yeah, there will be something recurring

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Speaker 1: with Bill c. He aligns too perfectly with us.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, again, don't forget to stay tuned in

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Speaker 3: over the course of the next weekend far beyond that,

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Speaker 3: because we've got a lot of excitement as we build

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Speaker 3: towards the college football season and get into previews and whatnot,

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Speaker 3: So please do stay tuned on that.

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Speaker 1: And we're ramping up. We're ramping up to three right

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Speaker 1: and not too long here, that is episodes per week.

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Speaker 1: That is correct.

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Speaker 3: If I get within the next couple weeks, if I

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Speaker 3: can peel back the curtain, just maybe the kimono, if

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Speaker 3: you can peel back the kimono, that may be one

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Speaker 3: of the things we discuss next week in Okay, be

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Speaker 3: tuned on that front, but otherwise, please do head on

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Speaker 3: out to all of our social media accounts. We do

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Speaker 3: have a Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. We also have a newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Which maybe we'll start ramping up at some point in

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Speaker 1: the very near future.

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Speaker 3: If you're going out to solidverbal dot com and look

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Speaker 3: for the big yellow box, you can enter your email address.

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Speaker 3: You can also go to newsletter dot solidverbal dot com

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Speaker 3: and sign up there. But a lot of exciting stuff

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Speaker 3: coming down the pike, Dan, That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: Man, all I got. I am. I have not eaten today.

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Speaker 1: It's two oh four Central time, so I need to

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Speaker 1: find calories for.

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Speaker 3: That guy over there, my good friend Andrewinstein. From myself,

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Speaker 3: Hilda Brand. We will talk to you all in a

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Speaker 3: few short days. In the meantime, stay soft, peace,