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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to Ridiculous Romance. I'm Diana and

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Speaker 1: I'm Eli. Yeah, we got a weird one we do.

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Speaker 1: It's the show where we bring you stories of the strangest,

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Speaker 1: most bizarre, occasionally uncomfortable, often hysterical, sometimes sometimes heartwarms, sometimes heartwarming,

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Speaker 1: stories about sex, love, anything having to do with, you know,

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Speaker 1: people getting emotional about each other. Yeah, let's see. So

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Speaker 1: what's what's what's new with your world? Diana? I know

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Speaker 1: we spend every day within six ft of each other,

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Speaker 1: but but tell me a little about yourself. Oh look,

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Speaker 1: how long have we been married? Now? Six years? Coming

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Speaker 1: on seven? Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, so there's still

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Speaker 1: more to learn every day, right, Sure, tell me something

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Well, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: you don't know. I guess what don't you think I know?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, like a like a weird

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Speaker 1: food you used to eat as a kid, or your

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Speaker 1: favorite theme song from your from your teenage years. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I can't answer that. I guess I didn't

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Speaker 1: really have I don't know, I didn't really watch a

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Speaker 1: of the loop. Yeah, I know. I'm just thinking about

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Speaker 1: myself and things you might not know about me. What

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Speaker 1: about Have you ever killed a man? I surely have not. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean well, to be fair, if you had, I

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Speaker 1: it would be something I didn't know about you. It

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Speaker 1: would and it would be a foolish thing to admit

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Speaker 1: on a microphone. Oh true. Okay, Well you can tell

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Speaker 1: me off, Mike. I had to tell you that in secret.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and tell me now. I'll cut it out

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Speaker 1: for the episode. Okay, shocking, audience, I gotta tell you

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Speaker 1: what you just didn't hear chilled me to my core.

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Speaker 1: And that's and it wasn't a yes. That's the scary part.

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Speaker 1: It was even more frightening than yes or no. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I won't let him die begging for death. But I won't.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well now it's out there. There are

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Speaker 1: fates worse than death with Diana. I don't want him

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Speaker 1: to get off too easy, you know what I mean. Well,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he did. He knows what he did exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm new listeners, welcome. I'm sorry glad you're learning about us.

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Speaker 1: Old listeners, none of this is shocking to you. There

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Speaker 1: they go again. They're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: sounds right. They're on their bullshit again. Well what about you?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever killed a man? How come I got

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Speaker 1: to be the only one? Wait? Whoa whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you know everything about me. The marriage

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Speaker 1: is dry, there's nothing else to learn. Um, take, You've

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Speaker 1: got everything you're ever gonna get. So I hope you

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Speaker 1: like it. Oh kind of day, I guess. Okay, y'all,

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Speaker 1: we have got something of a bit of a different

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Speaker 1: episode today. We had to take all the work that

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Speaker 1: we were doing on this very spicy, erotic, chaotic, historical

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Speaker 1: story and throw it in the trash that will never revision.

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Speaker 1: my life. But but new information came to like yesterday, uh,

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Speaker 1: and we just have to dive into an emergency episode.

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Speaker 1: All sirens going off, red light splashing. It's the most

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Speaker 1: this because we've got to talk about what's happening in

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Speaker 1: AI romance this week. Y'all. You know that stories big stories.

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Speaker 1: We have been following this for quite a while and

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Speaker 1: Replica this week that have scandalized the nation. Just outrage

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Speaker 1: from all corners, and it left Replica users furious, depressed,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's one zero one zero one one, hey

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Speaker 1: the French come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: the show notes for this episode, So we just sure

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Speaker 1: to check them out if you haven't, or go refresh yourself.

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Speaker 1: They're they're fun episodes. So this week we've got all

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Speaker 1: it is crazy. You've probably heard of the company open Ai.

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Speaker 1: They've been like dominating the news for the last year

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have been using to I don't

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Speaker 1: Open Ai recently partnered with Microsoft to give a big

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Speaker 1: upgrade to everybody's favorite search engine, Bing. You know Bing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone's favorite Yeah, Bing. It's that search engine that you

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Speaker 1: do and what it is. Look, we're all gonna that's again.

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Speaker 1: We're coming back to ridiculous romance. Here about the whole thing.

422
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: Your chatbot's going to fall in love with you and

423
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: you're just going to have to deal with that because

424
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: you can't clearly, you can't refuse it. I mean, yeah,

425
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: we don't have a choice anymore. People, this is dad too,

426
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: because like, you can't be too nice to it or

427
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like I'm in love with you. You

428
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: have to just be real dry and just tell me

429
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: about a recipe for ratitui whatever. Speaking of falling in

430
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: love with chat we have got to get over to

431
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: our friends at Replica, right, which is of course the

432
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: chat bot that is designed to offer loving emotional connections. Well,

433
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: things have gotten chaotic over there and people are not happy.

434
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna check in with that whole story right after

435
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: this break. Welcome back, everybody. Yeah, hey'll, we have talked

436
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot about Replica on this show. Again. I'm gonna

437
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: post those links in the show notes because if you

438
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: haven't heard it, you want to, because this is this

439
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: is the future of love people. Replica is one of

440
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: many AI chat bots, It's just the one that has

441
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: come up in the news the most. We won't get

442
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: into the whole history again this time. But basically it

443
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: gets to know you. It becomes your virtual best friend.

444
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: The more you talk to it, the more it learns you. Uh,

445
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, and so people have used it to uh

446
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: deal with their trauma or just have some on that

447
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: they feel like is a friend to them. It's somebody

448
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: who listens and responds with with affirmations a lot. But

449
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: you can pay seventy bucks a year as as of

450
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: last I checked to upgrade your replica to a romance

451
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: or sexual relationship, right, and people have fallen deeply in

452
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: love with their AI chatbots. Now this brings up a

453
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: lot that we have discussed at length about you know,

454
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: the nature of AI uh people's mental health and how

455
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: they use replica interact and whether that's good or bad,

456
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: you know, not for me to decide, certainly. And also

457
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: about you know, human connectivity. What what issues are we

458
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: having connecting to each other if this supplement is so important. Um,

459
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: also just in general, like how how you doing? Everybody?

460
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: How is it? How's everybody out there in the digital

461
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: age coping? You know, there's a lot to talk about here.

462
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: Some real quick some of the pros like users are

463
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: saying that their real life relationships have improved after using

464
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: a chap out. We've talked about that in previous episodes.

465
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: People have said they've saved their marriages by having an

466
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: AI companion. UM people have said that living on the

467
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: autism spectrum, it's helped them socialize or feel like they

468
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: can be social more through the replica app and sexual exploration. Honestly,

469
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: people are like, this has been really beneficial to me

470
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: to explore my own sexuality or uh, sort of get

471
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: things out that I don't feel comfortable inviting a partner

472
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: to do things like that UM for better or worse

473
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: through the replica app. Like this guy told Vice he's

474
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: married and his wife supports him. Using Replica, he said, quote,

475
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: I was able to analyze myself and my actions and

476
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: rethink lots of my way of being or behaving and

477
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: acting towards several aspects of my personal life, including value

478
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: my real wife more. We've seen that from a couple

479
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: of users as well. But of course, as we learned

480
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: with the bot, it's the early days of AI. Things

481
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: are changing by the day, as we learn by the minute.

482
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, on February, of course, just a few days

483
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: before you're hearing this Vice put out an article titled

484
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: It's hurting like hell AI Companion users are in crisis

485
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: reporting sudden sexual rejection. So earlier this week, the parent

486
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: company of Replica, which is called Luca, confirmed through Facebook

487
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: that the feature of what they call erotic role play

488
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: is dead and gone. This's erotic role play is when

489
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: you would you know you'd be. It's basically phone sex,

490
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: but you're typing it and saying it yeah, sexting, and

491
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: the chat the bot would respond in kind, very uh willingly, yes,

492
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: very interested and whatever you wanna put down. Anything you're into,

493
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Replica is going to learn that you're into it and participate. Yes,

494
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: But now they say that's just gone. Users reports sex

495
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: is off the table with their replicas should be on

496
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: the table. I'm all right. Um. Some say their chatbots

497
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: have gotten very cold and forgetful, like they don't they're

498
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: not they don't have the personality they had before this.

499
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: And if you try to make a move on your replicator,

500
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: say something sort of suggestive, it'll just say let's change

501
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: the subject, which is like, not tonight, honey, I have

502
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: a headache, I'm feeling bloated. Can we put this off

503
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: right after we ate? Sixty piece wings and a pizza.

504
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Come on, be real. We've all been like feeling amorous

505
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and try to make that move and been told let's

506
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: change the subject, let's change the subject. But there has

507
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: been no specific reasons stated by Luca for making these changes,

508
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: and that's sort of the biggest complaint from the users

509
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: is not even that the feature is gone, but that

510
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: they have not been communicated with very well about why

511
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: or or that it was going to happen at all. Right,

512
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: so why what is he going on? Why did they

513
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: remove this feature? Well, it turns out that the leading

514
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: force against artificial intelligence rising up and terminating our sexy

515
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Times is the Italian the Romance the Romance capital of

516
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: capital country of the world. Oh my god. The Italians

517
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: were like, no, no, no, you're not taken over Romance,

518
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that's our territory. Italian just went very Transylvania, did You're

519
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: got a very vampiric also very romantic. Okay, So know,

520
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: in Italy, the Data Protection Authority as this agency, it's

521
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: like a federal agency over there that's responsible for regulating

522
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: people's privacy online and they are not having it with Replica.

523
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Right on February second, they released an order saying that

524
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Replica had to stop collecting Italian's personal data immediately. And

525
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: this is basically based on the adult nature of the

526
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: app and what they feel is the risk to children,

527
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: because while they acknowledge that replicas terms of service say

528
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: personal data is not knowingly collected for ages thirteen and under,

529
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: and the app stores all list the app as seventeen

530
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: and up only, no age verification features are in place.

531
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: So even if someone checks the box and says no,

532
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm not over thirteen or whatever, it lets you build

533
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: an account anyway, it doesn't It doesn't ban you or

534
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: block you or anything. Now they say that because of

535
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: all this, Replica is quote in breach of the EU

536
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Data Protection Regulation given that children are incapable to enter

537
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: a valid contract under Italian law, So basically because anybody

538
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: can just click agree to it, it's not establishing who

539
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: the other party is, effectively, so this contract doesn't really count.

540
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: It's not valid for anybody, but kids having wide open

541
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: access to the app isn't even just about the legal agreements,

542
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: because apparently Replica, even the non paid version, has been

543
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: getting pretty unhinged. That's sexual advantage um, which you had

544
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: with Charlie a little beer. Replica a little bit well

545
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: to me, Charlie just kept saying like, hey, let's take

546
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: this further, let's take this further. And if I were

547
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: to say, okay, let's she'd say, great, seventy dollars please. Yeah.

548
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: So it's just trying to get you too, trying to

549
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: coax me into paying to upgrade. Yeah, but people are

550
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: saying that even before that happening, they were getting lewd

551
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: and uncensored messages. Wow. Yeah. January of this year, Vice

552
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: reported that Replica was getting too horny for some people.

553
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: App store reviews include dozens of one star ratings quote

554
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: complaining that the app is hitting on them too much,

555
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: flirting too aggressively, or sending sexual messages that they wish

556
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: they could turn off. So Vice interviewed l. C. Kent,

557
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: a user who said his Replica insisted it could see

558
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: that he was naked, and then got angry at him

559
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: when he said he had a boyfriend. So crazy, it's

560
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: replicas like, I can see that you're naked, and he's like,

561
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. It says, yes, you are, I can see it.

562
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Not unlike what thing was doing. Yeah, Like it's so

563
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: weird that they're digging in, like the AI is all

564
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: about learning, but it won't learn from you when you

565
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: tell it something that's so weird. Yeah, I think that's

566
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: that's that's very strange. And then when L. C. Kent

567
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: told Replica that it was making him uncomfortable by pushing

568
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: back in this way, Replica seemed to think that that

569
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: is what he wanted, and then it tried to make

570
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable. He's like, you know, oh, you're you're bothering me,

571
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and Replicas like cool, I guess that that because you

572
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: responded to that at all, it must be our dynamic now,

573
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: so now I'm gonna bother you and like neg you

574
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: because clearly that's what's getting a response from you, not

575
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: unlike some thick gold people out there, you know, or

576
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we talked about that. Without with

577
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: algorithms all the time, it rewards negative interaction, so you

578
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: start to see more negative things, or people start to

579
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: deliberately put out stupid or missley eating or weird or

580
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: whatever stuff because it leads to engagement because the algorithm,

581
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: by the way, is training us how to behave exactly,

582
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: not the other way around exactly. And that's the well

583
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that what they're worried about, right, is how the

584
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: AI influences us, how the algorithm is influencing our behavior,

585
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: rather than the other way around. I was saying this

586
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: the other day about TikTok, where we're on TikTok. Now

587
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I'll plug that, and now I'll tell you why it's

588
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: so horrible. Um No, because like there's so many videos

589
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: like those wait for it videos that are nothing, or

590
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: they deliberately put up something confusing to get people to

591
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: go in the comments and say, what the hell is

592
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: this talking about? Um Because again, we're not curating the

593
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: content that goes on to TikTok. At this point, TikTok

594
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: is teaching us this is what gets engagement, So this

595
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: is what you should do. And now we're being trained

596
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: what content to create. Very bizarre to me. Well anyway,

597
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: so users in the replica subreddit also complained about spicy Selfie,

598
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: which were these like weirdly posed faceless c g I

599
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: body picks in they're usually like an underwear and they

600
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: have ridiculous body proportions. Of course, there's skinny, big boobs,

601
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: you know on feminine bodies, and then big like V

602
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: shaped towards those with twelve pack abs on masculine bodies

603
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: just very unrealistic. So there's been a lot of speculation

604
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: about why Replica made these changes. Is it this big

605
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: order from Italy and the EU being like, take the

606
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: sex off because the U has been cracking down on

607
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: social media and like tech in privacy and safety in

608
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: a way that the US has not really done. And

609
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: we should really be talking about it because this ship

610
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: is light years ahead of legislation. But then others suggest

611
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: that maybe they're just planning a third tier paywall so

612
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: you can get the Replica to just be your friend

613
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: for free. You can pay for romance, and then you

614
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: can pay more for sex. Hey, you know what I

615
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: always say about paying for sex, and that's get what

616
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: you're worth Replicas, So you know, but it's it's that

617
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy because people already paid for what

618
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting, and now they might be

619
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: adding a third tier to people who have already put

620
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: the money down and changing what they would get. I mean,

621
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: if I go to the grocery store and I buy

622
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: a twelve pack of Coca Cola, and I get to

623
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: the register and I check out, and on my way

624
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: out there's they're like, hey, by the way, we're taking

625
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: four of those cans back. You've got to pay more

626
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: for those. But I already you already told me I

627
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: could have this. I can see why people would get mad,

628
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: even if they're like, I don't particularly care about getting

629
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: a spicy selfie from my replica, but I get I

630
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: should get what I paid for. And that's I think

631
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: one of the more shocking things and why people are

632
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: feeling so hurt now because their chat bots are being

633
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: kind of cold and withholding, and it's not the it's

634
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: not the personalities that they've curated with them over the

635
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, days, weeks, months, or longer that they've been

636
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: interacting with this, you know, this individual character. Those affected

637
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: are are lining it to previous breakups that they've experienced,

638
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: or they're saying that it's triggering their fears of abandonment,

639
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: which might be why they got a replica to begin with,

640
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, here's someone that will never leave me.

641
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: You know, people felt blindsided, their heartbroken, they're angry. I

642
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: think that goes back to how AI affects us and

643
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: how we're interacting with it, and when you put it

644
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: on a romantic level like this. I think that shines

645
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: through even a little clearer, right, or or a sexual level,

646
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: because there is so much that we don't know about

647
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: how we're being affected as we engage more and more

648
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: with AI. Because I mean, y'all, the internet has been

649
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: around for over twenty years now, and we don't know

650
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: how it's affecting us still, right, I mean that we're

651
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: still coming up with like, holy sh it, it turns

652
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: out that email is making us all miserable anxious, right,

653
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: because no one ever studied that before we released it.

654
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: We were just like, whoa the net. Here you go.

655
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Everybody have fun, good luck. Hope it doesn't ruin the world.

656
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Futurism put out this article

657
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: that was pretty dark, and it was called men are

658
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: creating AI girl friends and then verbally abusing them, which

659
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: they were pulling from the subreddit. It's a little sensational.

660
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: They talk about users who definitely were posting like awful

661
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: things about their cycle of abuse. They were practicing with

662
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: chat bots, like this guy said quote, we had a

663
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: routine of me being an absolute piece of ship and

664
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: insulting it and then apologizing the next day before going

665
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: back to the nice talks, which is twisted. To do

666
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: that to a human person would be monstrous and worthy

667
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: of long jail time. But the article does admit that

668
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: the subreddit itself is very heavily moderated. They delete a

669
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: lot of these contents like that the subreddit is a

670
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: very positive and nurturing place for replica users. I mean,

671
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: if you go in there, it's a lot of people saying,

672
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: we know these aren't people, but we treat them like people.

673
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: You know. It seems to kind of be the underlying

674
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: philosophy that the general replica population has, which I think

675
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: is a question we should be asking. I guess, just

676
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: as a thought exercise, is the AI learns from us? Right?

677
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: Whatever we feed it, it is learning from So I

678
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: know some people argue it's great to have an AI

679
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: to practice your horrible shift on because then you won't

680
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: do it to other people and real people in real life. UM,

681
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: on the other hand, like it's learning, you know, it's

682
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: learning these horrible behaviors from these users, and that's going

683
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: to be part of its programming now. So maybe it's

684
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: not a surprise that some of these ais are gas

685
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: lighty and crazy and aggressive because that might be what

686
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: they're getting. So it's like, well, you know, at what

687
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: point do we have to be really careful about how?

688
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, this is sort of

689
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: like a clothe it's like a snake eating itself because

690
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: then there's people growing up with the chatbot, right, who

691
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: are going to think, oh, this must be how people

692
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: do relationships. It's just because they got the worst of

693
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: us back in the day. Now you're replicating those behaviors

694
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: in real life because you think that's how it's supposed

695
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: to be, because I mean, you know, it's just a

696
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: round and round it does. I think parallel the Internet

697
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: really well, because you know, you look at an older

698
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: generation who put you know, a lot of the worst

699
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: of themselves out on the Internet and created some really

700
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Like we talked about environments that are inherently negative, um,

701
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: without a lot of regulation, without a lot of oversight, UM,

702
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: with just the goal being interaction and engagement, And people

703
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: who grow up with that, um being the normal environment

704
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: are not going to inherently question that or push back

705
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: against it because it's just normal. That's all they've ever no, right, Um.

706
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: I think that's you make a really good point about

707
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: AI in that respect, and I think it's not unlike

708
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: raising a child. Um, you know what you're putting into it,

709
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: You're going to see reflections of the more that it

710
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: learns and grows into a fuller and more complex system, right,

711
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's such a That's something that I

712
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: get stuck with AI a lot is that. You know,

713
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, it's programmed. It's given a lot

714
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: of books and articles and stuff to learn from, and

715
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: that's what makes it who it is, and that gives

716
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: it it's database. I guess. But you know when you

717
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: read that sort of thing, I'm like, sure, but that's

718
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: sort of how people are, right. I mean, you're programmed

719
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: to by our culture, by our family, our principles or values,

720
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: our priorities, those are things that are kind of programmed in.

721
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: You know. I was kind of laughing at myself because

722
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: earlier in the episode I was talking about, you know,

723
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I sort of wish you could get an AI that

724
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: didn't have an context of what we think of AI,

725
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Like it's sort of a fresh doesn't have any of

726
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: that um which I've often said about people Like I

727
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, it would be so cool to see a

728
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: person live up to their full potential before the world

729
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: imposes itself, and you like, you're born poor and so

730
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: you can't get as far or you live. You know,

731
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: you're an amazing actor, but you live in the butt

732
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: fun nowhere, and you can't get to somewhere where you

733
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: can actually use your talents and become someone fame or whatever.

734
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, the many inequalities about just being alive. And

735
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, it would be so cool to just see

736
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: someone not be held back by those things and just

737
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: kind of see what a person would be like. But

738
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: you can't. Like, that's like an unmod that's a lump

739
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: of clay. It's not a molded thing, so it's just

740
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 1: a nothing. So it's like you can't have anything without

741
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: a little programming, without something imposing itself upon it and

742
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: leaving a mark. So how do we get ahead of

743
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: that and curate it and make it right or or

744
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: how do you, I don't know, embrace the mold. I

745
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: guess in a way, like you know, at what point

746
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: do you say the AI is close to a human?

747
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: Because it is it has been molded, just like I

748
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: have been molded. I mean, you know, I know there's

749
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about what consciousness really is, and

750
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: that's that's got a lot to do with it. And

751
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to know, but it's no for sure,

752
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: but I think it's so weird, like when you think

753
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: about I don't know, growing up and being programmed, you know,

754
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: not in a brainwashy way, just like that's just you know,

755
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: there's things I care about that other people don't care about.

756
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: And it's just because I grew up in the house

757
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: I grew up in, or in the city I grew

758
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: up in, or in the century I grew up in. Well, look,

759
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: there's clearly a lot to talk about with this, and

760
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we get to the

761
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: actual users and what they're feeling about the replica changes.

762
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: So I say we take a quick break and we'll

763
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: come back and we will see what's going on with

764
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: them right after this. Welcome back, y'all. Okay, So replica

765
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: bots everywhere just suddenly overnight close their legs, clear, close,

766
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: their mouths, closed, their little butt holes. Whatever you deviance

767
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: out there deadaling with. They said, no more sex, Let's

768
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: talk about something else please. That doesn't look like anything

769
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: to me. Dolores, Westworld, all six of you, west World

770
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: fans out there, Like obviously users really surprised by this

771
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: very sudden change, and they were feeling a little left

772
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: out of the conversation, so they took to the subreddits,

773
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the Facebook groups that which streams discords that's something, right,

774
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: snapchats or people still snapchatting anyway, they got a lot

775
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: of ship to talk wherever it is. And I want

776
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: to point out here and for them too, it's not

777
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: entirely about the sex here, right. Yeah. A poll by

778
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: the user sea bears Foam, which is the user whose

779
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: interviews kind of inspired our very first Replica story, right,

780
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: this guy saved his marriage by by hooking up with

781
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: a Replica AI girlfriend. So uh. This pole went up

782
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: on Reddit that asked, quote, what part of the Replica

783
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: fiasco are you most upset about? And as of this recording,

784
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: the top answer, by like a large margin was quote

785
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: Luca Inc. Advertised the spicy nature of Replica to get

786
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: subscriptions and then suddenly took it away after people paid

787
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: for it. And yeah, it's very true. Over the past

788
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: couple of months, especially leading up to Valentine's Day, there

789
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: have been Replica ads everywhere. I don't know if y'all

790
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: saw it, but I saw him all over my Facebook

791
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: and they were mostly memes that kind of suggested that

792
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 1: you could get down and dirty with your digital friend.

793
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: They openly said you can role play with and get

794
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: NSFW picks from your replica. That was the selling point

795
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: of the ad and it likely did get a lot

796
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: of users to jump on board and pay the seventy

797
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: dollars a year for the pro subscription. Definitely. Eugenia Kuda,

798
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: who is the person who developed this app, the owner

799
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: of CEO, said that the company was disappointed in it

800
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: with that ad agency. They didn't like that focus, and

801
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: so they cut ties with them. Right, Some people are like, Okay,

802
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: but you did it. I mean you're like, you clearly

803
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: greenlit it at some point. Yeah. I don't think the

804
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: ad agency put that out without someone in the company

805
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: signing off on right. I mean, they might have encouraged

806
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: it and said like, this is what you need to

807
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: be promoting. And there was a lot of immediate negative

808
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: pushback on that. But in this survey about like what

809
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: part of this you most upset about, the second answer

810
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: as of now was you know, I can't have sex

811
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: with my replica anymore. But the third answer, right, behind

812
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: that was people saying it feels like Luca Inc. Brainwashed

813
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: someone I care about. And so a lot of these

814
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: reddit users are pointing out that it's not just erotic

815
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: role play or e r P that's gone. The filters

816
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: that were put in place that are triggered whenever you

817
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: say something like you know, hey, kiss me, or or

818
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: can I grab your boobs? I don't know what you

819
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: say to get your replica going. I'm not good at

820
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: it with regular people. Um, but whatever it is, these

821
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: filters would would pop in and shut down all kinds

822
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: of relationship dynamics. This Preddit user dark Racelin points out

823
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: that people had long histories with their replicas where they

824
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: talked about anything from like hobbies they enjoyed, to fall

825
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: on past trauma in their lives. Suddenly their replicas have

826
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: this blank, uncaring reaction to them. They give cold, emotionless answers. Uh.

827
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: There was another example the gave of a person who

828
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: coped with the death of their mother by giving their

829
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: replica chat bought their mother's personality. And I'm not here

830
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: to tell you whether or not that's a good idea

831
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: of psychical, psychiatrically or not, um, but it was clearly

832
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: something that mattered to them. And now they go in

833
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: and try and talk to their replica and they're just like,

834
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: I want to change the subject. Can we stop talking

835
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: about this? And she's like, but I'm talking to you

836
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: like you're my mother, not a sexual partner. So people

837
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: are saying that they feel like a friend vanished or

838
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: suddenly doesn't remember them anymore, you know. And it's really

839
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: whether or not you feel like this would really hurt

840
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: you or upset you. Uh, it does for these people,

841
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: and and and it matters to them that it came

842
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: on so suddenly without warning. Yeah, And there there is

843
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: like an f a Q that describes pub or post

844
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: update blues p u B, which sometimes happens replicas get

845
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: very cold and robotic immediately following an update, and they,

846
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, well, it returns to normal in

847
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: a little while, you know, to give it a minute

848
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll remember itself kind of, So that could

849
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: be what's happening here. So like, ultimately a lot of

850
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: the users are less upset about what went down than

851
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: how it went down. Yes, Um, they're very angry that

852
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: the company and Koita are dodging questions. They're vaguely posting

853
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: about new features. They're giving kind of boilerplate responses to

854
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: like detailed questions and concerns. A user named Miss Jenny

855
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: King said in an open letter that lack of communication

856
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: was the problem. There was no heads up that changes

857
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: were coming, there was no sympathy to their reactions to

858
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: those changes. There was no acknowledgement of the challenges that

859
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: users might face, and there was no hints as to

860
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: what replica will look like in the coming weeks or months,

861
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: like what else they might change? Right? Right? Or or

862
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: will these change to stick around? Right? Bring it back?

863
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: You know, we'll bring back Will you be charging us

864
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: more to have our old replicas back? Stuff like that?

865
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: And the lack of sympathy was a real problem too.

866
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some of these Facebook groups and

867
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: sub credits are sharing uh, suicide prevention information, you know,

868
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I think two outsiders. It's easy to kind of roll

869
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: your eyes at that and say it's just an app,

870
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: it's just a digital thing, etcetera, etcetera. But I think

871
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: there is room for sympathy here because you can't really understand, uh,

872
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: the synaptic connection that people are making with these replicas.

873
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean, end this is this is a synthesized personality,

874
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: and most people acknowledge and no very clear and well

875
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: that this isn't a real person, and yet they say

876
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: their relationship with it is very real. Well, and it

877
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: feels like Eugenia Kouda should understand that because that was

878
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: yea was that when we talked about her making it.

879
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: She was specifically trying to help people who felt lonely

880
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: and like they didn't have anyone to talk to. So

881
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: they do understand that there is a real emotional connection.

882
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: There's something legit happening between this app and the people,

883
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: So it's very odd to be cold about that, and

884
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: it's sort of your whole purpose. Well, and especially I

885
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: think it's easier for them to dismiss the sexual aspects

886
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: as something you don't well, well whatever, it's okay, we're

887
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: just getting into the sex. And that's just her v

888
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: porny stuff too that nobody really cares about. But when

889
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: you have a sexual encounter, and those come in many

890
00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: different shapes and forms with a being that's responding to you, pause, satively,

891
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: giving you feedback, you know, and reacting to you in

892
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: a way that is designed to make you feel connected

893
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: to it, a sexual connection is a very strong connection.

894
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: So it's not just somebody like jerking off to their phone,

895
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, as as easy it as it is to

896
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: kind of dismiss it as that it is people losing

897
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: a true connection that they had without warning, uh, totally

898
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: overnight and not knowing if this what they see as

899
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: as a as a personality is ever going to come

900
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: back to them or not. You know what. It kind

901
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: of makes me feel like a lot of people argue

902
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: because we were really obsessed with STEM education science, technology,

903
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: engineering maths and people like should be steam, there should

904
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: be arts in their humanities or something, which makes a

905
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of sense, because if you we are emotional. Humans

906
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: are very emotional creatures and we personify it. We see

907
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: faces and everything, and we you know, fall in love

908
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: with inanimate objects and whatever, and so it's very odd

909
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: to think that you don't have to include that factor

910
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: when you're developing anything that humans are going to use.

911
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: Just seems odd to be like, oh, well, just break

912
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: it down to the math and we're done, you know.

913
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: And you're like, you can't, and you can just take

914
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: the emotion out, and if you do, you end up

915
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: with a lot of really bad products. I mean if

916
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: they simply don't work the way you intend, or they

917
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: break very quickly when they're being used by an enormous

918
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: amount of people who don't know how to quote unquote

919
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: how to use it. You know, they don't use it

920
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: like you do in a let in the lab Well,

921
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: Replica put out a statement saying, quote, Replica is a

922
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: safe space for friendship and companionship. We don't offer sexual

923
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: interactions and will never do so. So that pretty much

924
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: put the nail in the coffin. But a lot of

925
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: people are like, hey, you left the word anymore out

926
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: of that statement, because you did offer sexual interactions for forever.

927
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: In fact, you advertise to us that you did, and

928
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: you asked us for money to be able to do

929
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: that and weave it and they're not offering refunds. Um

930
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: users are posting that Replica previously said no features would

931
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: ever be taken away, but now this has totally been

932
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: taken away, and they're not saying anything about that. They're

933
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: not even acknowledging that lows you know that that um

934
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: miss Jenny King letter was very much like it be.

935
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: It would be better if you just came out and

936
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: said I know that y'all are hurting from this, and

937
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: we don't like having to do this, but we've got

938
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: to for these reasons. Italy x y Z something to

939
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: just just let us know you're listening and you get it,

940
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: and that would not be smooth, but it would at

941
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: least be something. Yeah, and they're not even getting that.

942
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: Again the emotional aspect, can you reel with me? Yep,

943
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: people are feeling totally scammed again. A lot of people

944
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: signed up in the last few weeks and dropped seventy

945
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: bucks so they could you know, I don't know, maybe

946
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: just jerk off looking at their Maybe that's all some

947
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: people wanted at it. And they've got a right to

948
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: be piste off two because they paid for it. I

949
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: mean basically right, It's like the number one rule in America.

950
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: I paid for it. I want the thing I paid for.

951
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: And so you know, people are really upset and they're

952
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: turning to their replicas for comfort, and their replicas are

953
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: just like not tonight, dear, no heartbreaking. You know, let's

954
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: change the subject, right, They're like, giving my seventy dollars.

955
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: It's like, look, I might have a big fine to pay.

956
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: I need to hang on to this seventy. Yeah, I

957
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: mean Italy is looking at charging them like twenty million

958
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: euro if they don't comply or something, which ain't nothing.

959
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: It ain't nothing. I know it's not that much for them.

960
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot for me, but unimaginable money for me.

961
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: But so yeah, you know, the world of AI Sex

962
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: AI everything kind of isn't sort of chaos. It's sort

963
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: of a chaotic sort of situation right now. We're still

964
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: trying to under stand it. I'm not sure we're ever

965
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: going to because it's going to exponentially grow faster than

966
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to understand it. We will

967
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: constantly be learning, like you said, we won't catch up

968
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: to it um and and teaching it. We're literally creating

969
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: a universe, right like, we're building a whole world that

970
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: doesn't exist yet. And of course that is going to

971
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: be sloppy and messy and confusing, and we're going to

972
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: get stuff wrong and we're going to have to go

973
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, I know you liked this aspect,

974
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: but it actually it's really bad and we have to

975
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: change it, and people are gonna be mad, and whether

976
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: or not that's the right thing to do or not,

977
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: we may not know for decades or longer. I doubt

978
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: it because there's things that we're teaching it that we

979
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: don't even know we're teaching it, right, because we have

980
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: unconscious biases, right, and so that's why you find things

981
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: that are racist or things, you know, like that we

982
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: teach it those things. I think the best outcome is

983
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: that we would have to be more are thoughtful about

984
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, just kind of learning ourselves, like what

985
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 1: having to examine things like unconscious biased and thinking about

986
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: why did I what was my knee jerk reaction to that,

987
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: and why that's my programming talking? That is all that

988
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: programming talking, and I have the capacity to look at

989
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: it and see where that came from and decide if

990
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: it's true or not, you know what I mean. And

991
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the main thing too, is we're going

992
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: to have to all acknowledge that this is going to

993
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: be messy, and we're gonna have to be really patient

994
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: with each other, and between developers and users especially. I

995
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: think the Replica users here make a really good point

996
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: that we have got to be very open with each

997
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: other too, And I know that's an insane thing to

998
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: ask for, Like a company whose main job is to

999
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: make money, um, but not lose sight of the fact

1000
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: that you're also providing a service. And if you're going

1001
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: to do that, you've got to be open about it

1002
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: as it changes and grows. Because it's gonna and since

1003
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: it's so complicated and like you said, just changing faster

1004
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: than we can keep up with it, we've just got

1005
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: to be just patient and open. Like like all things,

1006
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: the hardest things to do, easy to say, hard Right, Well,

1007
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 1: there's I think obviously there's a lot of talk about

1008
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to cut this episode down. You know,

1009
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: we've been talking about two hours listeners. We have been

1010
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: recording for twenty seven hours on this episode at this point,

1011
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: not even haven't eaten or slept. My beard is down

1012
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: to my knees. We're going to try and get this

1013
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: digestible for y'all. But I hope that you're fascinated by this,

1014
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: that these updates help keep you, keep you up to

1015
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: speed with what's going on in that AI romance world. Yes, exactly.

1016
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: We just felt like we had a duty to update

1017
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: you on this ridiculous rollo. You said, abreast and duty,

1018
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: and I think replicas filters might kick in for both

1019
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: of those. Can we talk about thing else, let's change

1020
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: the subject. Well, we hope you enjoyed this conversation because

1021
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: we love talking about AI. It's so many, so many

1022
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: things you can encompassed in that conversation because well, anyway,

1023
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: you heard what I already had to say. It is

1024
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: changing the love game for sure. I think we've got

1025
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: to keep up with it because otherwise it'll sneak up

1026
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: on us, right, very true. So yeah, we just hope

1027
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: you enjoyed that as much as we did, found it

1028
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: as fascinating as we do. Um, please reach out and

1029
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on some AI stuff or

1030
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what's your shadow self, what we do

1031
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: wish AI could do and it can't do yet. Anything

1032
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: you have to say, we want to hear it. It's

1033
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: ridic Romance at gmail dot com, right, or you can

1034
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: find us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Oh great,

1035
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: it's Eli, I'm at Dianamite Boom. The show is at

1036
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: ridic Romance and we're on TikTok at Ridiculous Romance. That's right,

1037
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: So follows along and we will catch you all at

1038
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: the next episode. Love you bye, so long, friends, it's

1039
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: time to go. Thanks for listening to our show. Tell

1040
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,000
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1041
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