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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya ret An.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing it.

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Speaker 2: Scrub a dub dub.

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Speaker 1: This is part two with me. I'm still here before

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Speaker 1: really no, because I tell you so long. So I

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Speaker 1: just take my way into a second episode.

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Speaker 3: When we have other podcasters on because there's this such

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Speaker 3: a flow of conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I so agree, and it's not in

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Speaker 1: a zoom. I do so much virtual now and I'm

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Speaker 1: always like there's always a lag, and i always feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm interrupting. I love just like being in a room.

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Speaker 1: It's so different.

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Speaker 2: I stand on this high horse and everybody gets on

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Speaker 2: me about it, but I'm like, I want in person guests.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if we have to wait three months,

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Speaker 2: four months, half months, six months.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: People come to LA all the time, and person is

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Speaker 2: so much different it is.

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Speaker 3: I will say, that's probably why it took so long

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Speaker 3: to have you on the podcast because Stickler Studio guest.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Though I used to always do that,

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Speaker 1: pandemic really shifted for me. But I do love the

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Speaker 1: in person I used to pop down to LA and

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Speaker 1: just record like six episodes and I'd be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I have the next six weeks done, like it's great.

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Speaker 2: I just think there's a there's a different dynamic. Like

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Speaker 2: for me, it might just be me. But when I

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Speaker 2: am doing talking on zoom or when I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: people on zoom, it just really I don't know, just

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Speaker 2: like feels disconnected to me.

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Speaker 1: I still can see my phone and the notifications in

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Speaker 1: my computer. It's also just a distracted version of it

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Speaker 1: where right now we're just like we're just in it.

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Speaker 2: We're in it, and you can't look at anything else

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Speaker 2: besides our faces.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm like literally right here in front of you.

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Speaker 1: You trapped me into this chair, just kidding.

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Speaker 3: When I first discovered to you on Instagram, you posted this.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Becka uses this like against me

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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's gonna be Wait, what do I

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Speaker 1: use against it?

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Speaker 2: Because I say, Ross is my favorite character.

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Speaker 3: I don't use this against you because like it's no,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. So you

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Speaker 3: have a really I would say controversial take my difference.

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Speaker 1: I do, and you're.

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Speaker 3: Very open about it and brave because I am a

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Speaker 3: I watched for instan Fall asleep every single night.

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Speaker 1: Literally my friends and I from a.

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Speaker 3: Young age was so obsessed with Ross and Rachel being together,

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Speaker 3: like they were my OTP, my one true pairing. They

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Speaker 3: were everything to me. I watch like videos of edits

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Speaker 3: of their just scenes together, to like romantic songs. I'll

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Speaker 3: be Edwin McCain, Ross and Rachel. Anyways, you I want

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Speaker 3: you to share your take about these two.

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Speaker 1: I need to pull up my highlights about this. I

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Speaker 1: do you know what. I had a major geez moment

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Ross Skeller. I don't know when

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Speaker 1: it exactly happened, but I realized one that I really

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Speaker 1: liked Joey and Rachel together was hear me out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what I said in my stories in twenty twenties,

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Speaker 1: four years ago, growing up and watching Friends, I romanticized Ross.

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Speaker 1: He was a man that was sweet. He was in

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Speaker 1: love with this high school sweetheart. He pines for her,

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Speaker 1: obsesses over her. He was funny, charming and dreamy. But

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Speaker 1: then I grew up and the show and its entirety

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Speaker 1: about and I watched the show and It's entirety about

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Speaker 1: twenty times more, and suddenly the show sat differently and

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Speaker 1: most of the time. This was a neat thing to witness,

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Speaker 1: like how society has changed. We get to see some

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Speaker 1: of these, you know, narratives change, but not Ross's. Ross

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Speaker 1: was toxic. This is my hot take. But remember how funny.

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Speaker 1: Of course I do, remember how sweet he was there

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Speaker 1: totally Rachel also participated in toxic things. Agreed, But that's

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Speaker 1: how toxicity and relationships work. We wanted to be the

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Speaker 1: asshole guy that's easy to hate, and it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: to create control, how to manipulate and turn his obsessive,

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Speaker 1: controlling behaviors into romantic storylines. When it serves him, he's

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Speaker 1: the best. Ever, when it doesn't, the entire friend group

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Speaker 1: adjust to make him Okay. So what's the point about

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Speaker 1: talking about it? Because most of us don't get the

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Speaker 1: chance to see an outside view of a toxic relationship.

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Speaker 1: We just experience it and we see it in retrospect.

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Speaker 1: Or someone we love be toxic and we see it

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Speaker 1: as loving. The more we can identify instead of romanticize,

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Speaker 1: especially with fictional characters we love, it helps us process

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Speaker 1: and digest what it can look like. Then I went

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Speaker 1: into I know hers like she's jaw dropped in the

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Speaker 1: corner here. You identify with Ross. Yeah, okay, but that's fine.

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Speaker 1: You're not a toxic one, don't worry. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's not real and I've disclaimed that for you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Ross and Joey for earth.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about Rachel and Joey for

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Speaker 1: a second. Because the show was written in a way

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Speaker 1: to make us want Ross and Rachel together, and I

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Speaker 1: felt that. But after I watched it enough times and

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Speaker 1: I saw so did some of that toxic behavior. Rachel's

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Speaker 1: entire time on the series is chasing Ross or abandoning

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Speaker 1: things that she wants for Ross or his feelings. Joey, however,

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Speaker 1: He gives her up only when when he does have

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Speaker 1: a chance with her. Because of Ross, she is the

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Speaker 1: only woman he ever loves, and he ends up alone

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Speaker 1: in the series, still supporting her in the end with

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Speaker 1: someone else. There are a lot of experts that have

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Speaker 1: weighed in on it. I mean, I go on in

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Speaker 1: my stories for a while. I do feel like ultimately, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's think about this for a second. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: how upset Ross was when Joey and Rachel were together,

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Speaker 1: marbles about it. Do you remember that, like Ross hooked

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Speaker 2: His Chandler's Chandler's ex.

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Speaker 1: He hooks up with Janie. He uses her, he like

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Speaker 1: with it. Also, Ross lied to Rachel about getting annullment

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Speaker 1: like his son playing with Barbie's. He hits on his

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Speaker 1: sex and anyways. At the end, I still claim that

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Speaker 1: I still think Ross is one of the funniest characters

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Speaker 1: Somebody did reach out to me and said that they

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Speaker 1: were friends with one of the writers on the show

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Speaker 1: and very much raw wrote the Ross character as like

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Speaker 1: what they felt was romantic, which was like obsessive and

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Speaker 3: I think I noticed, but I thought, well, he's he

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Speaker 2: But Rachel just wasn't like any ex of It wasn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like the one, and I thought that

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Speaker 1: But every time she acknowledged wanting to be with him,

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Speaker 1: when he did have her. He tried to isolate her

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Speaker 1: him over her dream job. Like, that's what happens in

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Speaker 1: and we yelled at Lauren for doing this, but that's

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that it's a smart thing for

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Speaker 1: us to think that somebody who's obsessive in controlling or

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Speaker 2: So I mean I'm obsessive and controlling, but are you.

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Speaker 3: Like are you Like She's like, I don't know, how

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Speaker 1: Are you though? Like are you that obsessive?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like would you try and ruin his career? No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, that.

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Speaker 1: Like but that's the ross level. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: need to I need to move to Iowa. You're just like,

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Speaker 1: let's get let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take this thing on the road. Baby.

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Speaker 1: We were like, yeah, when would you move to Sarah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know, but I'm not trying to like stop, No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not that crazy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was thinking more in our relationship, That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, I actually don't do to my

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Speaker 2: fiance what I do to you.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, what fun do we've unpacked here today? About Ross? No,

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Speaker 1: I do think. I do think so. I think. I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to see problematic behaviors in fictional characters

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Speaker 1: instead of it being real people. I don't like dissecting

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Speaker 1: that we preserve. It's a character over ten years of

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Speaker 1: a sitcom. It is a written show. It is not real,

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Speaker 1: and it's a good practice for us to be like,

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's a red flag. Like that was

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Speaker 2: Well, like just you saying that at the end, like

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Speaker 1: Like he loves like backcountry camping. Absolutely not for me,

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Speaker 3: to be shown or seen. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this has changed so many times for me,

439
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: but really yeah, because it wasn't always like I'll explain,

440
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,959
Speaker 1: but like I always ask when kids. My kids were

441
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: older when I was doing social media, so they're already

442
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: like not old or older like now I realized age

443
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: of consent is like way older. But at the time,

444
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 1: I was like, they can talk and vocalize, they can

445
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: say yes or no. My one daughter didn't want to

446
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: have her face and things for years and she didn't.

447
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 1: They always had the like thumbs up before I ever

448
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 1: posted anything. And then I had a baby in a

449
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: pandemic and I was sharing her all the time, and

450
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, like things have changed and AI has changed,

451
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 1: and now I'm very much like I don't know that

452
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 1: I would have done everything the same way. I feel

453
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: like I have to give myself a lot of grace

454
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, I'm a human and I

455
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: really there's a lot of scary things in the world

456
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: that you don't always know about. And so I still

457
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: share spices of our lives, but I've just I've not

458
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: made my kids core to my content, and I think

459
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: I did for a while, but there's still other ways

460
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: to share, and I think everyone has to come to

461
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: their own conclusions and their own I still follow so

462
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: many families and I see all their kids' faces, and

463
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: I would recognize them in public so easily, and I

464
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: not bothered by that, but I do think like it

465
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: is almost like an open conversation you have to keep

466
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 1: having with yourself, especially online. And I also just I

467
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: don't know, AI really freaks me out.

468
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, but wait and oh I get

469
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: too dark, but like, what can AI do with your

470
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 2: baby's like a.

471
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: Deep fakes like you can like they can take their

472
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: face and put them on other things. And that's just

473
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: like where I get weird. So I only really share

474
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: if it's like a little obstructed now, Yeah, but I.

475
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: Haven't really like yet, it's hard, Like I know, I.

476
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: Don't know, and there was a lot of like it's

477
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: I I have found it really hard because I would

478
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: love to just show my babies all the time, and

479
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: I also want to I've always respected what they chose,

480
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: but now I've had to think about the world and

481
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: the fact that not everybody's looking with a good lens,

482
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: and right there is potentially technology coming down the line

483
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: that we're not prepared for, and I don't ever want to.

484
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I feel like I'm still in

485
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: the process of figuring it out, if that makes sense.

486
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like with how social media, media and

488
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: things can technology continues to progress. It it's like the

489
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 3: only option is to just always be figuring it out.

490
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: I always now then it's not a good thing because

491
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: everything's moving forward.

492
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,239
Speaker 1: I mean even look at us, Like I feel like

493
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: back ten years ago, we were probably giving people our

494
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: addresses and chats, like not ten years ago, probably way

495
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: longer than I well, we were doing. Yeah, we were

496
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: so like, we were so dangerous with ourselves, and then

497
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: we learn along the way like, Okay, internet is forever.

498
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: We should probably be a little bit more careful. But yeah,

499
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: like I do also think like it is just like

500
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: a it's a big open conversation you have to have

501
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: with yourself on every level of social media. The fact

502
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: that your own face, your own voice can now be

503
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: used and scammed and different things like we have to

504
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: be very prepared for all of that and just but

505
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't like to be a big, dark, gloomy person

506
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: about it. I'm just like we're learning, We're figuring it

507
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: out as we go. If you change your mind along

508
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: the way, Like I've seen people who have like taken

509
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: their kids offline and then been like, eh, like I'm

510
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: actually comfortable with it, and like that's what I mean,

511
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: Like it is such an individual process of us all

512
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: going through it. But I do think like the AI

513
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: thing definitely has caused me to pause a little bit more.

514
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: But it's also I find it hard because when my

515
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't I feel like people look at social media.

516
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: This is like me being a little insecure about it.

517
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like people look at social media and

518
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, all of your time is spent doing

519
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: all these fun things, and like the core amount of

520
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: my time is actually being with my kids. I'm driving

521
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: them around everywhere, but I'm not showing that because I'm

522
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: trying to respect like the actual boundary of life. And

523
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel like now the perspective and what I don't

524
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: want people to see is like that I don't I'm

525
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: never with my kids and like I'm never with them.

526
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just not sharing that part so much anymore.

527
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: I still talk about it. It's still obviously like the

528
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: entirety of I feel like, not the entirety of my being,

529
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: that's the wrong thing to say, but like it is

530
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: a huge part of my being. Even when I'm gone,

531
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm still doing things for the kids and you know,

532
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: booking doctor's appointments, making sure they're like milk tickets are

533
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: bought that day, you know, doing like fielding calls from

534
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: them for every little concern they have. My motherhood isn't

535
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: left at home, But often the social media lens reflects

536
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: only my experiences and not those ones that I'm choosing

537
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: to do. So that's where I feel a little bit

538
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: like at times I feel like was I only sharing

539
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: certain parts because I loved that it showed that I

540
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: was doing family things and that I wasn't just doing

541
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: things for myself. So it really there's so much interest.

542
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: It's such a h there's so much to go through,

543
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: and it can, yeah, I can make you feel insecure

544
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: that you're like, oh, do I look like I'm don't

545
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: care about my kids and I'm not with them a

546
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: lot even though I am because they're not online or

547
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, my oldest didn't want to have her face

548
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: shown for some time, and that made me be like,

549
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: is everyone going to think like I don't care about

550
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: her and I only care about the others? And I

551
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: do like that too, like people.

552
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was. I did like a

553
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: Q and A and somebody asked like, how often do

554
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: you guys have the kids? And we're fifty to fifty

555
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: custody and they're like, oh wow, like I thought you

556
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: like barely had them because you never show them. And

557
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I literally like never show them, you know

558
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: what I mean? I like, And then I felt bad,

559
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: like I'm like, do people think I'm a bad step

560
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: mom because like they think I'm just like absent in

561
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: the kids' lives when like an actuality, I'm like very

562
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: much involved in their lives, you know what I mean.

563
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: Even if somebody watched all of your Instagram stories and

564
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: it was like thirty sl of Instagram stories was just

565
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: an extreme amount, they still only saw thirty minutes of

566
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: your entire day, and I have to remember that they're

567
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: seeing little snippets of it. But I've always loved welcoming

568
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: people into my whole world, so it has been a

569
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: little bit jarring to have to remember that not everybody

570
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: is looking through a lens of like good and just

571
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: the fact that we don't know where everything is going.

572
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: I feel like our parents were very like nervous about

573
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: all of us on the internet, and then we like

574
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: actually did horrible things on the internet, Like even like

575
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: the way we use Snapchat, Like my kids love Snapchat.

576
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: It's like the that's how they text their friends. They

577
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: don't text, you use snapchat. But I remember when they

578
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: first were like wanting Snapchat, I was like absolutely not.

579
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I know what happens on snapchat, but there and then

580
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I remember what happened on snapchat.

581
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: And they were like are you okay? Like what were

582
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: you doing on Snapchat? And I was like, well nothing,

583
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: never mind, Like what are you talking about? Very different.

584
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: Like we were we were kind of dangerous with ourselves. Yeah,

585
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: we really in my chat rooms.

586
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: We were like in chat roulette, Like it was so

587
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: crazy what we were doing. Yeah.

588
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: I was in a group the other day. We were

589
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: talking about Snapchat for kids, and somebody was like, yeah,

590
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: who even sends nudes anymore?

591
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, like, literally, that's what Snapchat was, sat.

592
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: Down on my see you.

593
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, nobody did that.

594
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: I never did that ever.

595
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but

596
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like that's all we were doing it.

597
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: Like Snapchat was like the means to which send nudes.

598
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: Like that's what the app was for us. So it's

599
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: really different that they're like just using it for common texting.

600
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they just like send selfies of their face.

601
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Yes, they do snapstreaks, Like they get snapstreaks with each

602
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: other and you have to like keep it up every

603
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: day and so it'll be like a random like picture

604
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: of a ceiling or like a selfie or whatever and

605
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: they just snap back and forth.

606
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the biggest streak. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

607
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm on like day four hundred and fifty

608
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: two with my daughter. Oh if I drop that snapstreak,

609
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: what are the ages of your kids? Eighteen, sixteen, fourteen,

610
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: and three?

611
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: Got it? Okay? Yeah?

612
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Does the three year old?

613
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: First of all?

614
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: She is I know everything she is. She's a cartoon

615
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: literally birth a human cartoon. Yeah, she's so cute she is.

616
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Does she understand you know when the older kids go

617
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: to their dads?

618
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Was that a like because she's three, so it's just

619
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: so kind of like or is she just thinks it's

620
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: like they're going to school and they'll come home eventually,

621
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: but like she is like physically so excited when they

622
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: actually come home, like and it's like for real. There

623
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: was a while there when she was littler, maybe like

624
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: between eight and twelve months, and she would cry when

625
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: we drop them off, and we were like, oh, this

626
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: isn't great. There is actually some psychology around like dropping

627
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: kids off versus picking them up. If you're picking up

628
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: your kids when they're transitioning, then they're always being welcomed

629
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to like you're dropping your kids off somewhere

630
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: then they're being like, I don't know. Things that shifted

631
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: her us. So we actually they're picked up now so

632
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: I think now it's like they're leaving the house as

633
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: opposed to us all being in the car and we're

634
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: like dropping them off, and then she's the one left

635
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: in the car. She couldn't she didn't have words at

636
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: the time, but she would always cry the second they

637
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: got out of the car, and she would like, saw

638
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: can be sad? Now She's like, okay, it must be

639
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: like they're going to school and then they come home

640
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: and then they play with me. Like that's just her

641
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: perspective now is like they leave and they come back.

642
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: But she, I mean adores them. If she could choose

643
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: them over us, she would choose them. She loves them

644
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: so so so much.

645
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: It's so interesting the dropping off and picking up, isn't it.

646
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: But it makes sense.

647
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally makes sense.

648
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to do things. I remember early years

649
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: of like transition days. They were always like really sad,

650
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and the kids would alway give us a lot of attitude,

651
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: And I knew it was because they didn't. It wasn't

652
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: about like not wanting to see their dad. It's like

653
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: that must suck to transition your whole life back and

654
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: forth between two homes. So I got it. I'm like yeah,

655
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: the would suck. I'm not going to try and take

656
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: that away from you. But we did something called transition

657
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: day pancakes, and so we would get McDonald's pancakes on

658
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: transition Day and they were excited enough about the pancakes

659
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: that it kind of like cut out. They were like, okay, yes,

660
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: transition day, we got to do that, Bowie, get pancakes

661
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: in the morning. And so we've always just done some

662
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: sort of a fun breakfast or something on the We

663
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: switch on Sundays, so Sunday's our week off. No, we

664
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: actually we we base our schedule based on my husband's

665
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: original work schedule, which is not the same anymore, but

666
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: we just have never readjusted it. So they go to

667
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: him from Sunday evening until midweek and then they're back

668
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: with me. So I have them like every full weekend

669
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: usually and then back. So they that's the transition Okay,

670
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: spit the week. Yeah, we split the week fifty to fifty. Yeah,

671
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: it goes like three four four three like that type thing. Yeah.

672
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but.

673
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know you have gotten to do

674
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: so many amazingly fun, cool opportunities, like your own red carpet.

675
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, behind.

676
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: Oh you always fell behind. I do.

677
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I like to other people, Well,

678
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm in Canada, and I feel like the

679
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: opportunities aren't as like, I don't know, people creators I

680
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: see in La, I feel like they're just doing so

681
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: much all the time.

682
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so there's something every day.

683
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: In La.

684
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: There's something every day. So for me, it's a little

685
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: bit more rare. So I don't know. It also feels

686
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: like you're exciting when it happens, though.

687
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like the things that you do are

688
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: like big though, you know, Like I think if you

689
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: were in LA, the amount of things you'd get invited

690
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: to versus the amount of things you'd go to would

691
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: be shockingly Yeah, fewer than you probably realized. Yeah, but

692
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: it's like you're on the red carpet interviewing Ryan Ghostling.

693
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: You just went to the Selene Dion premiere. Yes, I

694
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: judged her.

695
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Now, I just can you talk? I'm obsessed, Like, what's

696
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: going on?

697
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: Is she okay? What's happening?

698
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Can I tell you that I thought it was going

699
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: to be you know, I've watched documentaries about other musicians.

700
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a documentary about

701
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: her life, and it was literally the movie starts with

702
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: her basically being in like a seized position with her

703
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: muscles seized, and I was like what, And she comes

704
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: in like the most natural version of her and she

705
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: starts to It's essentially a movie around the grief of

706
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: her diagnosis and the fact that like it has robbed

707
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: her of her voice. She can't physically sing the same way,

708
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: and she's like doing all this therapy to try and come.

709
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: She just is so desperate to be back with fans.

710
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: So when she walked out, she was obviously it was

711
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: like so amazing. I think a lot of us didn't

712
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: understand the syndrome, so we don't really know what she's

713
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: capable of. So when she walked out, there was obviously

714
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: so much cheers, and she immediately starts to cry because

715
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: she's like, I haven't gotten to have this in so long.

716
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: She is somebody who I think her identity and her

717
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: voice have been what have moved her through life. It

718
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: has been her tool. And to lose that and to

719
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: watch somebody lose that. But there was also parts of

720
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: her that I didn't realize, how not that I assume

721
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: she wasn't but she's so tender, like she every single

722
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: time she ses her kids, she's like kissing their faces

723
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: and I love you, and like at one point she's

724
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: crying and her son actually came out on stage and

725
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: like handed her a tissue and she kissed him on

726
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the face. And I thought, God, that's a beauty, beautiful

727
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: relationship she's built with people. She just has such a

728
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: she's so funny, she's so witty. But there was not

729
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: a dry in the house for that. I should have

730
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: dried my eyes for a hot second and looked around

731
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the room though, because Gael King was there, Laverne Cops

732
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: was there, Kelly Clarkson was there, And I'm sitting there

733
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: in the audience thinking like this is just a bunch

734
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: of people to see a movie, and did not live

735
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: around the room and found on the Getty images and

736
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I was like, what, you didn't know anyone was in there?

737
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: Well, she like she thought it was just like civilians.

738
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was like fans and media, like I was.

739
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: I was there with like Canadian like I was there

740
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: with crime video from Canada, So I just knew there

741
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: was like different media people coming in to like cover it.

742
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know I didn't know Kelly Clarkson. I was

743
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: in the audience, and I would have I have this.

744
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't have bucket lists, but my only bucket list

745
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: is see Legends live. So I missed seeing Celene. So

746
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I felt like this was like I'm checking it off,

747
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: even though it's a half tick, Like I don't care,

748
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Like I got to see her live, that counts seeing Dolly.

749
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: I've seen Shnai, I've seen Beyonce, seen Taylor later this year,

750
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: so and I've seen Billie Eilish. I'm going to call

751
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: her an icon because I feel like she's on the path,

752
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: so I do. I just think, like we really think

753
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: that we have to be like obsessively in love with

754
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: musicians in order to appreciate them. And I've just realized,

755
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: if you get an opportunity to see some of the

756
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: best performers in the world perform, go see it if

757
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: it ever happens for you. And I felt that, Like

758
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: I liked Beyonce and I liked her music. I always have,

759
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like Megafan, but I went to her

760
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: show and I was like, this is one of the

761
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: best experiences of my life. Dolly Parton one of the

762
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: best things. I only knew like four of her songs.

763
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I think most of us only do. Watching her perform

764
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: on so many different instruments, I'm like, we should. I

765
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: just love seeing I don't know iconic women perform there art,

766
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson would be one of them. I feel like

767
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson got me through some of my divorce between

768
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: her and Christina Perry. The two of them were like

769
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: my divorce soundtrack. So yeah, like getting to see iconic

770
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: women live so that movie and just getting to see

771
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: her in real life. I mean, I'm so excited that

772
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I got to have that happen. And I've collected both

773
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: of my like infinity stones are Canadian Ryans apparently, so

774
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I've gotten maybe I should just not make a Canadian.

775
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: Maybe you can hook me up and I'll meet Ryan

776
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Seacrest because I've done I've interviewed Ryan Reynolds and I've

777
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: interviewed Ryan Gosling, So I'm like, I have to collect

778
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: the Ryans. They're my Infinity Stones. They're like the only

779
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: two celebrity I don't know, we'll find out, but like

780
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: I've only my only two so far. Well, I guess

781
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: CIMO I did as well, but like my Canadian Ryan's.

782
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm collecting them gosslings from Canada.

783
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh hell yeah, I didn't know that. Canadians love

784
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: to tell you who's Canadian. So we have Ryan Gosling,

785
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: we have Slain Yan, we have Shania Twain, we have

786
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds, we have Rachel mcgatta.

787
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: I love it obsession.

788
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: They were probably breakup. Somebody asked me what was the

789
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: hardest celebrity breakup? And I feel like I said Brad

790
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: and Jen, but I and I'm going to change that

791
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: to Ryan and Rachel. So those are my two as well. Yes,

792
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Ron and Jin and Rachel hurt my feelings.

793
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: Lena didn't get you.

794
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: What's that just Selena? No, I never was part of

795
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: that era. I'm so sorry.

796
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: You know what.

797
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: This is how we felt. This is how he knew

798
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: I was thirty nine because in my stories when I

799
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: was going to see Celindion, I did, Okay, I'm going

800
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: to make you all guess, and the emojis what I'm

801
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: going to go see.

802
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: And I did.

803
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Kenny, oh, justin Bieber's know, the Canadian I did music notes,

804
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: baby emoji, baby emoji, baby emoji, Canada flag microphone. I'm

805
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: thinking babe, babe, babe, and they all went babe, babe, babe,

806
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, it's not justin Bieber, It's

807
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: not justin Bieber y'all. It is Slean Dion.

808
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, you'll do have a lot of like star

809
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: stud study, we have the best.

810
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Of the best. You'll have some. Yeah, Averlban's Canadian. She

811
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: grew up in Ontario.

812
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: I had no idea.

813
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Simu is also Canadian. The Weekend is Canadian. Drake

814
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: is Canadian? Who any Drake Caylein Bristow Caylins Canadian. Jillian

815
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: Harris is Canadian. Best of the best?

816
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: I do.

817
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Canadian girls.

818
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: You love Jillian Harris.

819
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I've told you this for years. She was like

820
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: my like she was my favorite bachelorette.

821
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: She is.

822
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: Her Caitlin are the funniest people in real life though,

823
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Like they're funny online, but like those two in real life,

824
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you are chaotically funny. They're so funny.

825
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: Is there something? Is it like Canadian humor or something?

826
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: Because every person from Canada on The Bachelor, especially the

827
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: women are always so funny and like they're they're like

828
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: energet there's a different energy about them.

829
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I love that though.

830
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: I think that's really cute. Like Maria, this past season

831
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: was Canadian and.

832
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: She was like, I need to get caught up on

833
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: the seasons again because I keep falling off and then

834
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: when you get when you fall off and you don't

835
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: know the characters and you don't I was just having

836
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: this conversation yesterday that I want there to be like

837
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: a really eligible bachelor or a bachelorette that is like

838
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: a celebrity in their own right. That is like I

839
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: want to cross over. We were talking about it. We

840
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: want Katie Maloney to be the bachelorette.

841
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's good.

842
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I want to tell her that today when I see

843
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: her that we want right like it could be. I think,

844
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: do you catch anyone? Do you watch like Love Audience? Yeah?

845
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: I watch.

846
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: I dabble. I dabble in a little everything. My favorite

847
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: show is Traders. Oh my, would you be a Trader?

848
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: A faithful?

849
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: Faithful?

850
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: I think I need to be so perfect. She doesn't

851
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: think she could be. I think I could be a Trader,

852
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: but she thinks she would never get away with being

853
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: a true I.

854
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: Think I would need to be a faithful. I'm really good, faithful,

855
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Like I would really like hand, how would you think?

856
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: This is what I mean? How would you feel when

857
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: they're all like, we think you're a liar and we're

858
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: going to send you home.

859
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: I would make me feel better than standing up there

860
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: and like saying, I told you all I'm a faithful

861
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: and I am.

862
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 3: See.

863
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't want I think my feelings will be more

864
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: hurt that people would think I was a liar than

865
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: if I actually was and got tried. So if I'm

866
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: a trader, they can't hurt my feelings because there is

867
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: just a matter of how well I'm playing the game.

868
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: If I'm a faithful and I'm just doing my thing,

869
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: and then they're like, we think you're a liar and

870
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: we're sending you home, I would cry like a baby.

871
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: They came to one thousand percent, it would never happen.

872
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I would love they I would eat that

873
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: up so hard. I loved that show. There is not

874
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: I used to be like an OG survivor and Big

875
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: Brother fan. So the fact they're bringing us back like

876
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the Boston Robs and Dan, are you kidding me? We

877
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: even got doctor Will? Are you like Tony?

878
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

879
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm just it's bringing back the I love

880
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: that they're mixing new realty. Yes, these gamers, these people

881
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, they care about his strategy and winning,

882
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: and then they're putting them with people who are like,

883
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm just used to being funny on TV. Like it's

884
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: such a different vibe, right, So I love the mix

885
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: up all of them. I found pilot Pete so interesting

886
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: that he was so noble. I'm like, so you're maybe

887
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: he was trying to reclaim something. I actually love Pete,

888
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I have a I have. I actually really like him.

889
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I know that's like I don't

890
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: have a lot to go off of, but I liked

891
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: him as a character. I wanted him to be a trader.

892
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: So many too.

893
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: I don't just take it, don't take it.

894
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I was mad about the nobility. I

895
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: don't try and be noble here. Do you do a

896
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: lot of things that made us made you not noble.

897
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Now's your time. I do think with this new season,

898
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: though everyone's like, I can't believe they're putting Sandabal on,

899
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think they're going to do it so

900
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: we all get to see him get killed on Night one.

901
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like my first to go for sure.

902
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know enough of the other people.

903
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: The husband, but he's not allowed to talk about her.

904
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh Sam Sam Sam, Yeah, he's on it. There's some

905
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: Summer there's a girl from Summerhouse Wells Adams wives. Yeah,

906
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Boston Rob, right, I just see that Boston Rob and

907
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: Wells at him together will be the funniest. I want

908
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: them to be an alliance and Tony.

909
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: I feel there's a lot of Survivor. There's like four

910
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: or five Survivor people. I would love to see Colby

911
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: brought back. Bring me back Colby season two of Survivor

912
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: Sheason two. Wow, do you remember when he said to

913
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: the girl he'd bring her to the end and if

914
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: it like no matter what, And she was more liked

915
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: than him, and he honored his word and she won

916
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: the million dollars.

917
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: Took her all the way. He was like Australian guy

918
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: named Colby. They brought him back maybe on one of

919
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: the ones later it was Elizabeth hasselback season Colby.

920
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: Like, no, I didn't watch it, and she literally had

921
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: a whole.

922
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Career after that she did. Yeah, I feel like if

923
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: I was on it, the Survivor people would be my

924
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: first targets to go. I would want them to be

925
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: on my team. Well, it depends on if I'm a trader.

926
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: I want to trust them. I think that they were

927
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: too strategic in how they were going to win.

928
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: But it's such a patrons like, whoever takes me, I'll

929
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: be fine.

930
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: Job. She was a.

931
00:40:59,680 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: Like honestly, I was like, she is crushing I can sue?

933
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Are I can sue? And Peter dating because that's also

934
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: so iconic. I noticed the show is so dramatic. Imagine

935
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: like the fact that they put them in coffins to

936
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: announce that they were dead or not.

937
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: It was just like, it makes me mad. Is like

938
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: that the traders in order to get the sense taken

939
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: off of them, they like throw another trader under the bus.

940
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, nobody would have even thought about Phedra had

941
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: whatever his name is not Yeah Dan not thrown under

942
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: the bus.

943
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that is classic Big Brother strategy.

944
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: He brought what he knew into the game. I loved

945
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: watching his scheming. I just think he was so out

946
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: of the game. It'd been like twenty years or something,

947
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: and he hadn't like he forgot I think he forgot

948
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: some of the strategy on, like the fact that you

949
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: have to he just tried to sit back and like

950
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: not do anything.

951
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: Ye I think he had to.

952
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: He had to look a little bit doing more because

953
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: then otherwise it just looked like he was sitting back

954
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: to avoid anything. Yeah.

955
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: So there, they took a contestant from Trader's UK and

956
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: they put them on Love Island USA this season. Oh

957
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: my god, I've heard usay the Love Island USA is

958
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: so good this you know, Dell Beckham Junior's brother is

959
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: like on it, and I'm just so loving it.

960
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to watch it.

961
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: Wow. I can't believe we ended with y'all watching all

962
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: of the same shows.

963
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: And honestly, when you hit Survivor, Traders and Love Island,

964
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you're just like speaking my love language.

965
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I just love it.

966
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: I love a crossover. So that's what I want for

967
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. I want a crossover episode. I want to

968
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: see somebody out from outside of the arena. I'm not

969
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: saying they don't still do that, but I think because

970
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: now I feel so far out of the loop. Yeah,

971
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: to get back to Henda, you need to lure me

972
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: with something of somebody that everybody kind of knows but

973
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: doesn't know in the bachelor world. So if ABC is listening,

974
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: I want to.

975
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: Road rules bachelor thing. Oh and I don't want it

976
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: to be romantic. I want it to be like I

977
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 3: don't want the Roman to be forced, like if it happens,

978
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: it happens. But like I want it to be like games,

979
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: but like people from the show, that would be so good.

980
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: They did that with Love Island one year, the Love

981
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Island Games. You might want to check it out.

982
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a big love so much reality TV

983
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: out there, and I do feel like Love is Love.

984
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm the one that has like a new episode every

985
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: day day except for hump Day. Like that's a that's

986
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: a full time job for me, Like that's a commitment.

987
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: It's also like my my husband and I, like we.

988
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: Don't actually watch TV at night together.

989
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: We do watch TV at night together, but he doesn't

990
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: like reality TV and I don't like his old school

991
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: horror movies, so we only watch those when we're apart,

992
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: and that just doesn't happen like a lot when we're home.

993
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: So like I literally had to watch all eight episodes

994
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: of Ridgerton, like after he fell asleep.

995
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's so interesting. I always actually tell my fiance,

996
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I really feel so lucky that he likes

997
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: reality that he likes Yeah trade though, Oh yeah, so

998
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: that was his hook. He can do trade exact same

999
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: TV taste, like, yeah, truly, everything we watch like we

1000
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: both really enjoy. I also have to be careful if

1001
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: I watch like certain reality shows, like if I watch Kardashians,

1002
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: I'll start talking like them, I'm a sponge. I'll start

1003
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: being the people I watch. That's so interesting.

1004
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: But at least you're self aware. I mean, it's not

1005
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: a good thing to be self aware about, but.

1006
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah I will.

1007
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: I will start talking like, yeah, I'm a sponge. I'll

1008
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: like start the even Housewives, I'll like start acting like that.

1009
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: I'll be like, what are they wearing? What are they doing?

1010
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm like that person is that's me? That's my personality. Now,

1011
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: unfortunately the time has come fair enough are part two.

1012
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: To say a bonus Saturday, And I'm just kidding, thank

1013
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: you so much for scrubbing in finally.

1014
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: So fun, so much.

1015
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: It has been a long time coming.

1016
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope everybody enjoyed it. For those who like

1017
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: requested me thank you, thanks for thanks for getting me

1018
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: in the seat. That's all them, So thanks to those people.

1019
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for being open, honest, funny, charming, all

1020
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: the things we loved having you.

1021
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: And maybe see you next year in Miami.

1022
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, imagine, we just aren't invited, so

1023
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: we just book as we're like, yeah, we're also here,

1024
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, ask each other walking by doing your runway

1025
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: boxing and they'll be like, let's add them to the show. Yeah,

1026
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: never name extra, Yeah, just be ready.

1027
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, where can people follow you? See what you're up to,

1028
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: what you're doing?

1029
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the bird's Papaya on Instagram, the handle I've

1030
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: never lost. Yeah, that's where. That's my wheelhouse. And mostly

1031
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: in stories I post, I'll make you laugh or cry.

1032
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: There's not a lot in between, so don't don't expect that.

1033
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: And I also have my podcast, the Papaya Podcast, and

1034
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: that comes out every Monday, so you can check me

1035
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: out there as well. Wow.

1036
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, like just I wish you all the best, like

1037
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: really truly, I hope that the sky is the limit

1038
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: for you, and just like thank you, going up, up, up,

1039
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: up in.

1040
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: A way, thanks for saying that. Can I just say,

1041
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: like one more thing. I really thought, like that my

1042
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: career is like at its end in the last while,

1043
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: and like something has really reinvigorated in the last month.

1044
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: And it's like people saying things like that, and I'm like,

1045
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: thank you, Like I feel I feel good about the future.

1046
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm not done. I'm not done yet.

1047
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: And I think last year I felt like I was done.

1048
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: And I'm very excited to be back mentally in a way,

1049
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: and back mentally is yeah, we're turning forty in sky's limit.

1050
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. So thank you both. You're awesome. It's

1051
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: very exciting to be here, and yeah, love you so much.

1052
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: Lovely s.