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Speaker 1: to be honest, usually it's in response to bad things
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Speaker 1: today is Andrew T.
Speaker 2: How are you? I E good? How's it going?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I tried to eat a piece of zucchini during the
Speaker 2: intro and then I lost faith, So I have a
Speaker 2: half chewed piece of zucchini on the table in front.
Speaker 1: That's how you know a professional podcaster is the trying
Speaker 1: to time when you can take bites of I.
Speaker 2: Bailed, though honestly enjoyed watching that. I just I had
Speaker 2: so much confidence and then it was much bigger than
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Andrew is the host of Yo Is This Racist? Which
Speaker 1: is a podcast and as a TV writer, and says
Speaker 1: you can look it up if you want.
Speaker 2: I didn't say with that attitude is all I will say.
Speaker 1: That's true. No, there was flavor, there was spice to it.
Speaker 1: The spice wasn't at the listener.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, yeah, that's correct. That's correct.
Speaker 1: In the industry, yeah, I was at the industry, not
Speaker 1: at the nice people who listened to our podcast, because
Speaker 1: that's right. I believe last time we had Andrew on
Speaker 1: there was a strike going on. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: the time before that, when we had Andrew on, there
Speaker 1: was a strike going on. Yeah, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: Two strikes, two strikes, well two two thousands within this
Speaker 2: two strikes and yeah. But yeah, and the film and
Speaker 2: television industry is sort of limping back to life. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see how things go.
Speaker 1: I believe in the writers more than I believe in
Speaker 1: the industry. But yeah, right, that's true. I can always
Speaker 1: turn this into something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The rest of the introductions is that Sophie. The other
Speaker 1: voice you've heard is our producer, Sophie. Hi, how are
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Speaker 1: I was about to off my drink this water, but
Speaker 1: then I ruined it. This is my plan today is
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Speaker 1: God we almost didn't do it. Hi Danel, Hi danel A.
Speaker 1: Our theme music was written for us by unwoman Andrew.
Speaker 1: Could you describe the shirt that you're wearing.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I believe it's I'm reading it backwards. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to remember it racist Saints Safe in the Dirty South, and.
Speaker 1: There's a klansman being eaten by an alligator.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good illustration of a klansman being, yeah,
Speaker 2: eaten by an alligator. It is Oh shoot, It's a
Speaker 2: piece of fund raising merch from the I believe they
Speaker 2: go by the Screwston Anti Fascist Committee. It's literally written
Speaker 2: on the back of this thing. But I'm not going
Speaker 2: to turn around or got it fair enough? Yeah, it
Speaker 2: really spoke to me, but it's really like, it's really
Speaker 2: a wild illustration.
Speaker 1: I love that shirt. I've seen it a couple other
Speaker 1: times from people who also supported that fundraiser, and it
Speaker 1: is an appropriate shirt for today. Is what I'm going
Speaker 1: to start off by telling you.
Speaker 2: Oh wonderful.
Speaker 1: Today, we're going to break out of cool people tradition
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about the one century I
Speaker 1: never talk about this one, the twenty first century. I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell a story that happened less than twenty
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh, perfet Wow. I'm still not going to know any
Speaker 2: of it, but this is great.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the common Ground collective?
Speaker 2: I feel like I actually have, but then I can't
Speaker 2: think of a single fact so functional. I feel like
Speaker 2: I've heard those the phrase, but I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, I mean it is a well Okay,
Speaker 1: So we've talked a ton on the show before about
Speaker 1: medical solidarity groups set up by the late sixties radicals.
Speaker 1: We have talked about the Young Lord's hijacking a mobile
Speaker 1: X ray unit in order to get people tested for
Speaker 1: tuberculosis and later how they took over a hospital. We've
Speaker 1: talked about how the Black Panthers set up community health
Speaker 1: clinics as often as they set up free food programs,
Speaker 1: and we talked about how the Young Patriots sent it
Speaker 1: to members to meet with elderly folks in the community,
Speaker 1: to provide escort to doctors and patient advocacy and all
Speaker 1: of that, and we talked about how people would just
Speaker 1: go door to door to test for lead paint and
Speaker 1: meet people's needs in the community. Basically before on this podcast,
Speaker 1: when we've talked about the late sixties early seventies, we've
Speaker 1: talked about how the New Left took medical care and
Speaker 1: mutual aids seriously. But what we haven't talked about is
Speaker 1: anything that happens in the twenty first century. And today
Speaker 1: we're going to fix it, because today I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the child of those New Left programs, which
Speaker 1: went on to become parent to most of the mutual
Speaker 1: aid programs across the US today, because today we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about the Common Ground Collective that's set
Speaker 1: up in two thousand and five after Hurricane Katrina devastated
Speaker 1: New Orleans and how they're the love child of the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers and anarchists and they organized a solidarity not
Speaker 1: charity clinic and stepped in when government failed. I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to talk about this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome, And yeah, this is a real swamp episode,
Speaker 2: so this is this is exciting.
Speaker 1: I know there's literally going to be people in storms
Speaker 1: and flat boats going around through the Gulf of Mexico
Speaker 1: and swamps in this episode. Awesome, And we're going to
Speaker 1: start this episode where we start, like half of all
Speaker 1: stories about the US with a Black Panther party for
Speaker 1: self defense, right, and in this case, we'll start with
Speaker 1: the Minister of Defense of its New Orleans chapter, a
Speaker 1: man named Malik Rahem. Malik Rahem was born in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty eight according to almost all the sources, in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty seven according to other sources. And it's hey, Malik,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, Malik's still alive. I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: don't know what anyway. One thing that's cool about doing
Speaker 1: these slightly more modern topics is that a lot of
Speaker 1: these people are still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the community is not like that big, so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a reasonable chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Alik. I think you're cool. That whole podcast
Speaker 1: about some of the stuff you did. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: an environmental activist. Now we'll talk more about at the end.
Speaker 1: And he's not the only character we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about today, but he's we're starting with him.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: He was raised in the neighborhood of New in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: We're going to center most of this story, which is Algiers,
Speaker 1: and Algiers is the in order to have like just
Speaker 1: the triple colonized thing, the neighborhood Algiers is in the
Speaker 1: West Bank of New Orleans, so.
Speaker 2: God damn. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a like everywhere you
Speaker 2: go there's like a white guy with like a real
Speaker 2: weedy mustache ruining stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, which is kind of the story. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that happened in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, totally. Yeah, they all get pith helmets.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And unlike the rest of the city, Algiers is on
Speaker 1: the west bank of the Mississippi River, and the Misissippi
Speaker 1: River like curls around and stuff, so it's not like
Speaker 1: west of the rest of the city. It's New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Is really annoying geography. Algiers was originally a plantation and
Speaker 1: a landing spot for enslaved people. In eighteen seventy it
Speaker 1: it became officially part of New Orleans and it was
Speaker 1: a big center of jazz in the South. And it
Speaker 1: is a very predominantly black neighborhood. There's one rich white
Speaker 1: neighborhood within it, Algiers Point, which is about ten blocks
Speaker 1: of wealth, but overall it is astoundingly poor and black,
Speaker 1: even by New Orleans standards. Before Katrina, sixty seven percent
Speaker 1: of the city as a whole was black. Algiers was
Speaker 1: eighty nine point four percent black.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It had been left out to dry by social services.
Speaker 1: It had you know, there was like not clinics for
Speaker 1: decades before Katrina so Malik, He's not born under that name.
Speaker 1: He later converts to Islam in nineteen sixty five, he
Speaker 1: joins the Navy, and he goes off to fight in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: He came back in nineteen seventy, fired up for civil
Speaker 1: rights and black power. And if you ever want to
Speaker 1: hear me talk about what I mean when the Panthers
Speaker 1: say black power, then just listened about half a dozen
Speaker 1: five done before.
Speaker 2: Find a different episode. Also, I should tell the listeners
Speaker 2: I'm doing the single worst podcast guesting, which is nodding
Speaker 2: when you say stuff which is possibly marginally helpful to
Speaker 2: you and zero percent helpful to them. So I will
Speaker 2: be better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hmmmm, oh damn, Yeah, oh yeah, okay, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: if you take the pith helmet off, you don't have
Speaker 1: to go hmmm, you can install say damn.
Speaker 2: We can just layer it in and then yeah, just
Speaker 2: drop in reactions as needed. I'll give you some clean
Speaker 2: ones at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, I really appreciate it. And so he's out
Speaker 1: of the Navy in nineteen seventy and he helps found
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party chapter in New Orleans, and I
Speaker 1: don't think we've talked about that particular chapter before.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 1: And they're doing all of the good Black Panther stuff.
Speaker 1: They are setting up a free breakfast program, they're setting
Speaker 1: up a free medical clinic, they're doing community patrols to
Speaker 1: protect people from the police. And they opened an office
Speaker 1: directly across the street from the Desire Housing project and
Speaker 1: it was opened seven days a week. This office. The government,
Speaker 1: of course, was like, this is great, You're totally doing
Speaker 1: what we wish we had time to do. But we're not.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Wait, no, they did the opposite that. They they hated
Speaker 1: them and tried to murder them.
Speaker 2: All. Yeah, kind of pretty standard standard government.
Speaker 1: Behavior pretty much. There's a yeah, there's a track record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 1: No, soon enough, the police decide to raid this Panther office.
Speaker 1: The Panthers they have seen way too many other Panther
Speaker 1: chapters gunned down. They don't want to go out easy,
Speaker 1: Malik in another vet. They've sand bagged the office, basically
Speaker 1: making it so that it's kind of bulletproof. So when
Speaker 1: the police starts shooting into the building, the Panthers start
Speaker 1: shooting back.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: The whole thing lasts about twenty minutes. No one is
Speaker 1: killed in this shootout. Eventually the Panthers, including Malik, surrender.
Speaker 1: They're like, there's no way that is going to end. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they walk out with their fists up, shouting all
Speaker 1: power to the people, to the growing out outside. And
Speaker 1: two things happened. First, even though all of the panthers
Speaker 1: present were facing felony charges, it didn't stop the panthers.
Speaker 1: Other panthers came in, staffed the office and got right
Speaker 1: back to feeding breakfast to kids and patrolling the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: that thing that people have to risk their lives to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The other thing that happened is that Malik and the
Speaker 1: others went to jail, whereupon they were beaten and mistreated
Speaker 1: by guards, and at one point they're okay, So they
Speaker 1: segregated away the panthers that they just arrested from general population.
Speaker 1: And there was another group on another level that was
Speaker 1: like also segregated away, that was like the real bad
Speaker 1: motherfuckers or whatever, right, And so the cops are like,
Speaker 1: you better act up, or we're gonna let those bad
Speaker 1: motherfuckers in here with you. And I think they probably
Speaker 1: phrased it that way, right, And y'all are definitely gonna
Speaker 1: end up fighting because these are really bad people. You're
Speaker 1: in trouble now. And so they let all these hard
Speaker 1: and scary gangsters in with the panthers. It turns out
Speaker 1: that those hard and scary gangsters, we're all black and
Speaker 1: had either become recent converts to the Panther party or
Speaker 1: we're quite willing to become.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's the wonder that is sort of
Speaker 2: not like heartening, but like it kind of got to
Speaker 2: give like cops something which is like they're not like
Speaker 2: kidding around when they appear to be like deathly afraid
Speaker 2: of like the magic evil of black men somehow, like
Speaker 2: they really think it's real. Yeah, it's pathetic, and it
Speaker 2: lets them do all these kinds of things. But you
Speaker 2: know every time, like you know those cops that you know,
Speaker 2: the reason that that standard like of oh if a
Speaker 2: cop is afraid for their lives, they can use deadly
Speaker 2: force is a bullshit is because they genuinely do seem
Speaker 2: to believe that black men in particular are just mad
Speaker 2: death demons.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, that's why they all shoot fentanyl, not into
Speaker 1: those dets, but they open their guns up and shoot
Speaker 1: all drugs because they're afraid it's ventol. One of the scary,
Speaker 1: scary people that they had let in was another man
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a minute who's important to this
Speaker 1: story and to the development of mutual aid as a
Speaker 1: political practice in the United States. And his name is
Speaker 1: Robert H.
Speaker 2: King.
Speaker 1: We'll come back to him.
Speaker 2: And he was.
Speaker 1: Childhood friends with Malik. Anyhow, that's the other thing, right,
Speaker 1: And we're like, oh, or let these people in. We're like, right,
Speaker 1: these kids grew up together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The community is not that big. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so while the Panthers are sitting around in jail,
Speaker 1: the other panthers are running the office. But the cops
Speaker 1: are like, well, rating once works, so let's rate again,
Speaker 1: and this time we'll do it way bigger. And November
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy was a couple months later, and it was
Speaker 1: probably going to be a bloodbath, but three thousand residents
Speaker 1: from the nearby projects showed up and surrounded the Panther
Speaker 1: office and almost certainly saved the lives of the twelve
Speaker 1: panthers inside.
Speaker 2: Or you know, I mean, I guess the thing that's
Speaker 2: dark is like, we're now rounding the quarner into the
Speaker 2: era of human shields don't work on us level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of fascism, you know, that's true. I don't like
Speaker 1: your thought that's true. You know, it's it's like a
Speaker 1: little fucked up that the like the thing.
Speaker 2: That's like, oh, they're weaponizing our humanity against us. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll just have to not have humanity. I suppose.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's this quote that I can't remember who said
Speaker 1: it is around this era that's like, you know, nonviolence
Speaker 1: depends on the like, yeah, the morality of your oppressor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I just always assumed that was a
Speaker 2: Malcolm quote, but I don't know why, but.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I feel like you would know. So
Speaker 2: if that's.
Speaker 1: Not right, No, I don't know. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was Malcolm X or was someone else from roughly
Speaker 1: this time period doing singular work, you know.
Speaker 2: And roughly yeah, roughly the same world as view. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we are not going to look it up. Nope,
Speaker 1: that would be impossible. So instead, everyone, if we got
Speaker 1: it wrong, you can direct all complaints to our complaint department,
Speaker 1: which is on Twitter, which is that I write.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let him know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Panthers go to trial and they're acquitted
Speaker 1: by the jury. Later, Malik was asked why they'd shot
Speaker 1: back at the cops, and he said, quote, our position
Speaker 1: was that African Americans should no longer be lynched or
Speaker 1: beaten or attacked and have their rights taken away without
Speaker 1: any form of resistance. We believed you had a right
Speaker 1: to defend yourself, You had a right to defend your community,
Speaker 1: you had a right to defend your family, and you
Speaker 1: had a right to defend your honor as a human being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sort of like standard ATRA stuff that somehow
Speaker 2: never shakes out in practice.
Speaker 1: Totally whenever the cops shoot someone who for carrying a
Speaker 1: gun and then the NRA is like, I didn't see anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have one.
Speaker 2: Job, I mean, yeah, but it's not their stated job. No,
Speaker 2: they do have only one job, that is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So after the stint in prison because you know,
Speaker 1: he's found not guilty, Malik, when he gets out, he
Speaker 1: goes to Oakland, California for a few decades, he moves
Speaker 1: away from New Orleans for a while. He sticks with
Speaker 1: the Party until the mid seventies. Then he tried his
Speaker 1: hand at being a crime guy instead. For a while.
Speaker 1: He did a five year stint for armed robbery. He
Speaker 1: gets back into activism when he's out, and he's fighting
Speaker 1: for affordable housing and for the rights of formally incarcerated people.
Speaker 1: By the late nineties, he moved back to Algiers in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, and I'm inferring from what I've read that
Speaker 1: he moves back into his family's house, his mother's house specifically.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if she's still alive or not at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm a little bit frustrated that I didn't
Speaker 1: immediately find that information because half of the things refer
Speaker 1: to it as Malik's house and half of it referred
Speaker 1: to Malik's mother's house.
Speaker 2: So got it.
Speaker 1: He's doing all kinds of activism now. He's fighting against
Speaker 1: the death penalty. He found the Algiers Development Center and
Speaker 1: invest in transitional housing, which helped house more than one
Speaker 1: thousand former inmates and you know, help people get back
Speaker 1: on their feet. He runs for office with the Green
Speaker 1: Party time and time again, though he doesn't win. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, he notices something not all the Movement
Speaker 1: prisoners from the seventies are out. In fact, locally three
Speaker 1: of them are still in including his childhood friend Robert H.
Speaker 2: King.
Speaker 1: One of the guys who would come up right, right,
Speaker 1: And Robert H. King is one of the once famous,
Speaker 1: now forgotten and goal of three. So he starts the
Speaker 1: work to go about making these people unforgotten and more
Speaker 1: importantly free, much like all of the products that we
Speaker 1: advertise are free if you apply yourself and are not
Speaker 1: afraid of breaking the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you just got to do do it the
Speaker 2: old fashioned way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's how you can take advantage of these
Speaker 1: sweet sweet deals is by applying crime, Sophie. That's a
Speaker 1: way that will help us keep our advertisers if we
Speaker 1: phrase it that way, right, And we're back. So now
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Robert Hillary King. Robert H. King,
Speaker 1: he was born in nineteen forty two and he grew
Speaker 1: up in New Orleans. He grew up into petty crime
Speaker 1: and boxing. Those were like his interests as a teenager
Speaker 1: as far as I can.
Speaker 2: Tell, Yeah, that's that awesome.
Speaker 1: With that same he went semi pro under the name
Speaker 1: Speedy King. As a boxer, he did a few years
Speaker 1: for armed robbery before getting out on parole at twenty two.
Speaker 1: And then as far as I can tell, I'm not
Speaker 1: certain about this. As far as I can tell he
Speaker 1: became like the usual suspect where they're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: think like a black guy did an armed robbery. Let's
Speaker 1: just go arrest this.
Speaker 2: Guy, black guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Later he gets arrested for armed robbery again.
Speaker 1: Eventually they dropped the charges because he's innocent. Okay, But
Speaker 1: then listen to this cop logic. The guy he got
Speaker 1: arrested alongside of took a plea bargain right and became
Speaker 1: a felon. So Robert had been hanging out with a
Speaker 1: felon and therefore had violated his previous parole. He had
Speaker 1: to go spend fifteen months in prison for literally.
Speaker 2: Not breaking God. That is so cram.
Speaker 1: He is not going to have an easy life, this man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the a goal of three. Well, we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: in a second. Later, he gets arrested for armed robbery again.
Speaker 1: He probably didn't do it this time either. His co
Speaker 1: defendant that time had been tortured into giving a false statement.
Speaker 1: Is what everyone seems to think, and you know there's
Speaker 1: some reasonable eve that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At one point early on into that stint, he decides
Speaker 1: that he wants to preemptively help the listener fill out
Speaker 1: a bingos square on cool people who did cool stuff, bingo.
Speaker 1: And so he breaks out of prison. But he then
Speaker 1: does what pretty much everyone who breaks out of prison does,
Speaker 1: which is get caught.
Speaker 2: Right. Is that is that a standard part of the
Speaker 2: story that's rad.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a couple like.
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't been on prison breaking episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well there's a couple that are like
Speaker 1: getting or getting outdated, Like there's been a long time
Speaker 1: since anyone's dug a tunnel, right, But that used to
Speaker 1: be a real big part of early cool people did
Speaker 1: cool stuff. Oh man, I think it's because I moved
Speaker 1: away from the nineteenth century. I feel like the nineteenth
Speaker 1: century was all about tunnels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's caught. Now that he's back in prison,
Speaker 1: this is when he meets Malik Raheem and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff happens, right, the panther stuff that we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier, And he's like, oh shit, this panther thing,
Speaker 1: that's that fucking rules I'm in. And then he's transferred
Speaker 1: to Angola Prison and he's thrown into solitary because he
Speaker 1: quote wanted to play lawyer for another inmate.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: Famously not a crime, yeah, Jesus Christ. Along the way,
Speaker 1: somewhere in all of this, he gets convicted for murdering
Speaker 1: another prisoner, which he almost certainly again either didn't do
Speaker 1: or it wasn't murder, right, because this conviction is going
Speaker 1: to end up overturned in two thousand and one decade later,
Speaker 1: he then spends the rest of his prison career in
Speaker 1: solitary confinement. Somewhere along this way, probably before the solitary stint,
Speaker 1: he tried to stop the sex slave trade of young
Speaker 1: inmates and has the knife scars to prove it. And
Speaker 1: so I think that that might be I'm inferring here
Speaker 1: from the different stories that I've read, I think that
Speaker 1: might be where the killing someone in prison comes from.
Speaker 1: But oh sure, sure, and that maybe it wasn't considered
Speaker 1: murder because it was I don't know, right, right, right
Speaker 1: the self defense are defending someone or Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: not entirely certain, yep, But I know his conviction was overturned, Okay, Right.
Speaker 1: Two other black inmates who are in at the same
Speaker 1: time as him, Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox, they're in
Speaker 1: solitary too, and they just all keep being in solitary
Speaker 1: decades go by and they are in solitary. They are
Speaker 1: the Angola Three, not because they were co defendants on
Speaker 1: the same case, but because they're all in solitary for
Speaker 1: just unconscious able lengths of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, thanks to the work of
Speaker 1: Malik and other activists, Robert gets his conviction overturned and
Speaker 1: he's released. He spent twenty nine years out of thirty
Speaker 1: two years in prison in solitary confinement. Jesus Christ and
Speaker 1: then Herman Wallace spends about forty two years in solitary
Speaker 1: confinement before he is released under compassionate release in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: which is when they let you out of prison because
Speaker 1: you're dying, right, you know. He died three days after
Speaker 1: he was set free, and even then the people were like,
Speaker 1: how dare you have set him free? You know, right,
Speaker 1: you let this murderer? Whatever the fuck mean, he's dying?
Speaker 1: Fuck off?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who cares.
Speaker 1: Albert Woodfox is released from prison in twenty sixteen after
Speaker 1: forty two years of solitary confinement. He died in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two of COVID. He was quite likely the longest
Speaker 1: serving solitary confinement in US history. Yeah, fuck the United
Speaker 1: Nations Standard minimum rules for the treatment of prisoners. You
Speaker 1: know how long they say that you're allowed to put
Speaker 1: someone in solitary for. Isn't it like on the order
Speaker 1: of like weeks fifteen days? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all
Speaker 1: know international law as a joke. But here's the other example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on any given day in the US right now, while
Speaker 1: you're listening, one hundred and twenty two thousand people are
Speaker 1: being kept in cages alone for twenty two to twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day. Jesus, forty one to forty eight
Speaker 1: thousand people are held longer than fifteen days in a
Speaker 1: given year, and more than six thousand of those will
Speaker 1: have been in solitary for more than a year at
Speaker 1: any given point.
Speaker 2: That's like yeah, and that's also like so far past
Speaker 2: the bounds of like what that could do to somebody.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, yeah.
Speaker 1: I did on my other podcast Live Like the World
Speaker 1: Has Died, I did an interview that actually is worth
Speaker 1: people checking out. I did an interview with a long
Speaker 1: term anarchist prisoner named Eric King, who spent years in
Speaker 1: solitary for defending himself from guards and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Like literally like at one point he won a self
Speaker 1: defense case while he was in prison for defending himself
Speaker 1: from a guard, which is has to be a pretty
Speaker 1: clear cut case to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, They're not trying to give that one to you.
Speaker 1: No, and they absolutely would. He ended up serving in
Speaker 1: every level of incarceration. He started off in minimum and
Speaker 1: ended up in maximum like super max because of how
Speaker 1: much the guards hated him. I did an interview with
Speaker 1: him about what's involved in like surviving prison. I came
Speaker 1: out probably in January of twenty twenty four for anyone
Speaker 1: who wants to hear it, and it is a It
Speaker 1: was an intense conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck, it is a k.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in solitary?
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: I spent one night alone in a jail cell and
Speaker 1: it was foreign detention in the Netherlands, and that was
Speaker 1: one of the most impactful moments of my life. Was
Speaker 1: one night alone in a jail cell with no one
Speaker 1: to talk to and no idea what's happening?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? I fuck.
Speaker 1: Anyway, twenty nine years this man who went on to
Speaker 1: become incredibly important to the development of so many things.
Speaker 1: So Robert King gets out of prison two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: He gets right back into activism. He also just as
Speaker 1: a fun side note, because why not. He's a football fan.
Speaker 1: This actually I threw this in for Sophie. Sophie likes spelts.
Speaker 1: I like basketball. This guy likes the real like soccer
Speaker 1: football you know. Oh, okay, oh europe football or rest
Speaker 1: of the world, the one you play with your feet.
Speaker 2: The ball, the.
Speaker 1: One with less concussions. Yeah. He supports the Scottish club,
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Oh, probably the Celtics. They probably pronounced it
Speaker 1: right over there.
Speaker 2: I think it's just Celtic. I will say, oh, the
Speaker 2: football club from Scotland. Yeah, I think it's just called
Speaker 2: it's just Celtic FC. Okay, or maybe Celtic, but it's no,
Speaker 2: there's no the yeah or plural. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My sports knowledge is bleeding through. The most I ever
Speaker 1: learned about sports was I ghost write all these romance
Speaker 1: I ghost wrote two romance novels back in the day,
Speaker 1: and they had to be about like Midwest sportsman protagonists. Sure,
Speaker 1: like one one guy was a baseball player and one
Speaker 1: guy was an American football player, so I had to
Speaker 1: learn a lot about them back then. Anyway, that's kind
Speaker 1: of all you need. Yeah, that's funny. So he said
Speaker 1: about this, I don't know how to pronounce football club
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. They represent oppressed people like me and
Speaker 1: my brothers in the African American community. They represent the
Speaker 1: poor Irish immigrants in the UK and the people in
Speaker 1: the poorest areas of Glasgow, the people with nothing and
Speaker 1: who face adversity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he likes the politicized sports and I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that one I think is very It's it's like,
Speaker 2: I can't remember all the details, but there's basically a
Speaker 2: Catholic team and a Protestant team in Glasgow and it's
Speaker 2: as about as like, you know, passionate and violent as
Speaker 2: it sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing I'm coming off of is doing a whole
Speaker 1: lot of I just did a four part about the
Speaker 1: Easter Rising in Ireland.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you've got these two former Panthers living in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. There's more of them, I'm sure, but they're
Speaker 1: living in New Orleans, and then Hurricane Katrina hits. Hurricane
Speaker 1: Katrina is one of the deadliest natural disasters in US history.
Speaker 1: But as we'll talk about, it wasn't the storm itself
Speaker 1: that killed people. Well, the storm itself also killed people, right,
Speaker 1: but it was systemic poverty and racism that did an
Speaker 1: awful lot of them. Ordering the right world murder, Well, actually,
Speaker 1: in this case it is murder because it's caused by
Speaker 1: these whatever anyway, Right, it is not the deadliest storm
Speaker 1: in US history. That honor goes to the Great Galveston
Speaker 1: hurricane that hit coastal Texas in nineteen hundred, which killed
Speaker 1: eight thousand people. Most of the deadliest storms were one
Speaker 1: hundred plus years ago. We theoretically have the infrastructure now
Speaker 1: to prevent massive loss of life from natural disasters. Yet
Speaker 1: Katrina killed eighteen hundred people, and Hurricane Maria, which hit
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico in twenty seventeen, killed about three thousand people.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like that thing where like famine is not
Speaker 2: actually about the distribution of the actual food.
Speaker 1: Right totally. It's not about whether or not the food
Speaker 1: grows out of the ground correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, or sorry, It is about the distribution.
Speaker 2: It's the existence of the.
Speaker 1: Food, yeah, totally. So Katrina is real fucking bad. For
Speaker 1: a little while. It was a Category five storm, which
Speaker 1: the highest category we have so far of hurricanes. I
Speaker 1: believe in US, I believe we'll have to come up
Speaker 1: with a higher category.
Speaker 2: You know what. And I just actually got off a
Speaker 2: family text thread with like some Republican aunts that are like,
Speaker 2: it's so crazy. There's all these storms in California, and
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, I wish there was some explanation
Speaker 2: for why this could be happening. It's just I guess
Speaker 2: there is a just a coo incidents. I suppose did
Speaker 2: you give.
Speaker 1: Did you give them the oh geez? I'm like, you don't.
Speaker 2: Say it's really like, oh, well, I guess. I guess
Speaker 2: the consequences will just land and we'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is so weird because we're all flowing away.
Speaker 1: I don't remember fucking around. Why am I finding out
Speaker 1: for no reason? So Katrina calmed down to a category
Speaker 1: three before hitting Louisiana and Mississippi before making landfall in
Speaker 1: August twenty ninth, two thousand and five, which it did
Speaker 1: early in the morning, and yet it devastated the area.
Speaker 1: It did at least one hundred billion dollars in damages,
Speaker 1: which is just when you're talking about damage and you
Speaker 1: use money, and then you also talk about numbers and
Speaker 1: you get into the billions. It doesn't. It's more in
Speaker 1: miss I could have said, right, I could have said
Speaker 1: one hundred trillion, and you'd be like wow.
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, it's equal. Yeah, it just means everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking a lot more money than I currently have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by a little bit. But if that's right, I would
Speaker 1: have been a great place for an ad transition. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's where we're at. So most of
Speaker 1: New Orleans had evacuated. Eighty to ninety percent of New
Speaker 1: Orleans evacuated. That's still left tens of thousands of people
Speaker 1: in harms way. Mostly it was people who had nowhere
Speaker 1: to go and or no where to get anywhere, plus
Speaker 1: a lot of stubborn motherfuckers who just weren't leaving, Plus
Speaker 1: a lot of people who like a lot of the
Speaker 1: emmergen agency services that people set up that the city
Speaker 1: set up. Wouldn't let you take your animals, And right,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave my dog, Yeah I right, just wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, we made a deal. I'm in charge
Speaker 1: of every moment of his life, and in exchange, I
Speaker 1: can't fucking abandon him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't even like this dog that much,
Speaker 2: but she's coming with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and New Orleans is not the best designed city
Speaker 1: in the world. An awful lot of it forty nine
Speaker 1: percent is below sea level. The whole thing is surrounded
Speaker 1: by levees to keep out the Gulf of Mexico. But
Speaker 1: construction on those levees was of mixed quality and not
Speaker 1: always done. And there's like, like, ten years later, a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff came out. We're not going to get
Speaker 1: into the like the nitty gritty of why the levels collapsed,
Speaker 1: but the Army Corps of engineers fucking at the very
Speaker 1: least dropped the ball right, whether they did so like
Speaker 1: criminally whatever, you know, anyway, engineers and shit knew it
Speaker 1: was a disaster waiting to happen. There was like regular
Speaker 1: articles being like, so when you think a hurricane's gonna
Speaker 1: come and kill everyone, and everyone's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: well I'm too poor to fix it, and the city's
Speaker 1: like we kind of don't care, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's the thing with most infrastructure. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh well they'll just say sorry. It's a real like
Speaker 2: you know, beg for forgiveness culture there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, especially in places where poor people live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will be shocked to know that the below sea
Speaker 1: level parts are more often the poorer parts.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I would not have considered that possibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two days before landfall, the National Weather Service was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're in fucking trouble. This is going to break the levees.
Speaker 1: So the mayor, rayinn Egan, whose name we remembered how
Speaker 1: to pronounce because it sounds like rain again.
Speaker 2: Called.
Speaker 1: When I say we, I mean everyone but me, called
Speaker 1: for a voluntary evacuation. First on Saturday night, and then
Speaker 1: on Sunday they called for the city's first mandatory evacuation
Speaker 1: in history. Basically, he was like, this is going to
Speaker 1: topple our levee system. Anyone who stayed behind was offered
Speaker 1: to be shuttled to the Louisiana super Dome. Throughout Sunday
Speaker 1: and Monday morning, the storm hit, the waters broke the
Speaker 1: levee in fifty places. People started dining and bridges collapsed.
Speaker 2: Jesus, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Want to know who else wasn't evacuated? These goods and service?
Speaker 1: Is this a good place for an ad transition? These
Speaker 1: goods and services stayed right where they were, through thick
Speaker 1: and thin, by their own choice. Here they are and
Speaker 1: we're back.
Speaker 2: You gotta find the places.
Speaker 1: I know. The other thing that wasn't evacuated. So there
Speaker 1: was about seven thousand prisoners total in New Orleans at
Speaker 1: that time, including one hundred children, six hundred and fifty prisoners,
Speaker 1: and entire wing of one of these prisons was just
Speaker 1: abandoned by its staff, with the prisoners locked inside their cells.
Speaker 1: This is one of the worst things that's I've ever
Speaker 1: America's bad. America has always been bad. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on out on a crazy limb here, but this is
Speaker 1: one of the worst things I've ever read about my life.
Speaker 1: Six hundred and fifty prisoners were abandoned by their staff,
Speaker 1: with the prisoners locked in their cells. On the first floor,
Speaker 1: the water came up to people's waists. Obviously, this flooded
Speaker 1: all of the sewage and all of these things. People
Speaker 1: didn't know if I was going to stop rising. People
Speaker 1: are like hanging out on their top bunks. People on
Speaker 1: the upper floors are like calling down to the people
Speaker 1: down below, being like, hey, a you okay, and people
Speaker 1: are just like crying and they're like, no, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not Yeah. There was no food or water. People were
Speaker 1: drinking sewage there was no lights, there was no air circulation.
Speaker 1: The people who were evacuated, the prisoners who were evacuated
Speaker 1: on time were left for days in buses in the
Speaker 1: sun on the highway, often going entire days without food
Speaker 1: or water. Five hundred and seventeen prisoners from across the
Speaker 1: city in the end were never accounted for by the
Speaker 1: prison system. I hope they all escaped. I think they
Speaker 1: probably only did so if you believe in heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems unlikely, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Most of the prisoners were just in were like serving
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, you know whatever, like facing trial
Speaker 1: from misdemeanors and shit. After Katrina, they suspended habeas corpus,
Speaker 1: and people did like six months or a year waiting
Speaker 1: on trial for like something that would have only gotten
Speaker 1: them in, you know, a one week sentence or whatever.
Speaker 1: But the hurricane wasn't the worst of it. I want
Speaker 1: to quote one of the founders of Common Ground, Scott
Speaker 1: Crow from his memoir Black Flags and Windmills. It was
Speaker 1: not the hurricane that caused this disaster. It was the
Speaker 1: levee failures and the ongoing ecological destruction in the Gulf.
Speaker 1: This was the latest in a long history of largely
Speaker 1: invisible disasters of neglect in these communities. To me, the
Speaker 1: levees became a symbol of the way that the corruption
Speaker 1: and arrogance of government disregards the most vulnerable people. And
Speaker 1: the flooding lasted for days in most of the city
Speaker 1: and weeks in plenty of places, some places like a
Speaker 1: couple months before the flood waters receded. Yeah, most of
Speaker 1: the people who died because of Katrina were elderly folks
Speaker 1: living near levee breaches, in the poorest neighborhoods like the
Speaker 1: Lower ninth ward right. The news, of course, you remember
Speaker 1: the news during Katrina.
Speaker 2: I'm not uh kind of yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 2: just like yeah, like obviously, I mean I think at
Speaker 2: the time it was this like Jesus Christ, like George W.
Speaker 2: Bush is going to fuck this up. Not exclusively a
Speaker 2: Republican thing, but not I guess, of the choices, not
Speaker 2: the not the preferred one, not that either is that great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows how fucking gore who ran in Gore.
Speaker 1: But the news was full of these wild stories about
Speaker 1: and when I say anarchy, I don't mean anarchy like
Speaker 1: I like anarchy. I mean the opposite anarchy. The news
Speaker 1: was full of all these wild stories of like everyone
Speaker 1: in the super Dome is currently being raped and murdered.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: The gangs run it. Snipers are just killing people in there.
Speaker 1: And you know what, six people died at the super Dome,
Speaker 1: that's true. Four of them died of natural causes, one
Speaker 1: person odeed, and one person killed themselves. And there were
Speaker 1: no snipers. Right, But there was violence in post Katrina
Speaker 1: New Orleans, most famously after the fact, police violence. Right,
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about how there was I mean,
Speaker 1: there was more. You know, it was a bad situation.
Speaker 1: And let's get back to our panthers who are living
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, especially to Malik Rameil. Malik Ramil and
Speaker 1: his friend Sharon Johnson in the Algiers neighborhood. They decided
Speaker 1: to stick it out together. They stayed in the house
Speaker 1: to make it Sharon Johnson was not yet a community organizer,
Speaker 1: but she's about to become one, and Malik Ramil has
Speaker 1: been one for decades. Right, this neighborhood, Algiers, it was
Speaker 1: spared the worst of the natural disaster. It gets as
Speaker 1: much as anyone else of the unnatural disaster. It's levees
Speaker 1: were separate from the rest of the city, right because
Speaker 1: it's in a separate physical geographical location, and they held
Speaker 1: despite a ship crashing into one, which is pretty they
Speaker 1: built one levee, right, yeah, god it is.
Speaker 2: I guess what an improbability that that's the one that
Speaker 2: was like that held.
Speaker 1: In this case. Yeah, yeah, I mean these ones were
Speaker 1: like solid concrete, yeah, and twelve feet highs compared to
Speaker 1: a lot of them that were like just dirt. And
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder whether they finished these early. I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about the levee system of New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I've walked on some of the levees. They're a very
Speaker 1: nice place to walk your dog.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever been. Oh it's nice in
Speaker 2: New Orleans.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you walk down one of the levees,
Speaker 1: you can get to this place called the End of
Speaker 1: the World. That's just a little sticks out into the
Speaker 1: water and there's some burned out, rusty things and people
Speaker 1: go and hang out and do drugs or walk their
Speaker 1: dogs and it's like kind of like a nice vibe
Speaker 1: of like those two things like happily coinciding, you know.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a lot of like rituals for the dead.
Speaker 1: And this is a neat, neat place anyway. Yeah, Algiers
Speaker 1: wasn't spared completely. People were trapped, right, They couldn't leave
Speaker 1: the city, right, All the bridges had collapsed, like all
Speaker 1: this crazy shit's happening. There's like check points everywhere. Getting
Speaker 1: in and out as a nightmare. And of course there's
Speaker 1: like all these armed people with guns that work for
Speaker 1: the government yelling at you and yeah, and so they're
Speaker 1: fucking hungry. Malik and Sharon they started talking with their
Speaker 1: neighbors and soon enough they had a food distribution system going.
Speaker 1: They used their one fucked up car and whatever gas
Speaker 1: they could siphon from abandoned vehicles to pass out the
Speaker 1: mrs the meals ready to eat and water that was
Speaker 1: filtering in from the National Guard. Algiers primarily a black neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It has one white area, Algiers Point, which is full
Speaker 1: of those like U loot, we shoot signs.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that that meme where there's like the
Speaker 1: white assholes with guns standing in front of a Texas
Speaker 1: flag and it says lotters will be shoot on site.
Speaker 1: Oh it's good. And then there's like lotters are not afraid.
Speaker 1: The mean with the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. I don't know if I've seen that.
Speaker 2: I Mean, it's like I feel like it's an endless
Speaker 2: well on the internet of yeah, totally, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: is like the mentality of like, I will murder someone
Speaker 2: for you know, at worst categorizing it as burglary. Ye. Like,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, like fucking crazy, which.
Speaker 1: Is funny because they all watch movies where white people
Speaker 1: break into grocery stores after the end of the world,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's good and noble because they're starving
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, that's the vibe is lotters will be
Speaker 1: shoot on site, and soon enough there is a white
Speaker 1: racist militia patrolling not just their own blocks but the
Speaker 1: rest of Algiers. And another similar militia was active in
Speaker 1: the French quarter on the other side of the river,
Speaker 1: and they weren't just sticking to their blocks, right, An
Speaker 1: awful lot of young black men were dead in the
Speaker 1: streets full of bullets. The police let them do it
Speaker 1: because the police were there to shoot looters too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quote looters whoever they fucking wanted. And one highly publicized
Speaker 1: example on September fourth, cops on the Danziger Bridge killed
Speaker 1: James Brissett, who was seventeen, and Ronald Madison, who was
Speaker 1: forty and had mental disabilities. Ronald was shot in the back.
Speaker 1: The police tried to cover it up. It took until
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen for the cops involved to get convicted. And
Speaker 1: of course that was only after like, yeah, more than
Speaker 1: a decade of work, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of remember that one, yeah, because that was caught
Speaker 2: on like news camera or something, right.
Speaker 1: I think, so, I actually a little bit ago. It
Speaker 1: said a whole long thing about it. There's like good
Speaker 1: and really emotional reporting that people have done about that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like they were a family out to try and
Speaker 1: like find something to eat and figure out what's going
Speaker 1: on and stuff, you know, and like, yeah, Malik himself
Speaker 1: saw nineteen people shot to death by these militias, according
Speaker 1: to what I read. And this was not yeah, it
Speaker 1: was someone else quoting Malik. This is not a direct
Speaker 1: quote from him. But the militias piled men with rifles
Speaker 1: into the beds of pickups and drove around to harrass people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they particularly had it out for Malik. They called
Speaker 1: him the mayor of Algiers and said they were going
Speaker 1: to quote get him, which, to put it mildly, is
Speaker 1: a bad situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, concerning, But what was.
Speaker 1: Going to happen? In order to find out, You're going
Speaker 1: to have to wait until Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Part two.
Speaker 1: That was so cool. Thank you, thank you. Proud of
Speaker 1: a I'm proud of my segues seguys, cliffhangers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what people don't have to wait for is to
Speaker 1: hear from you Andrew about what you do.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true. Yeah, just fine. I don't know the
Speaker 2: Yosis Racist podcast, I guess is the thing that is
Speaker 2: happening every week when this comes out. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's happening. I do know I just recorded a very
Speaker 2: hurried solo premium episode because I was stuck at San
Speaker 2: Francisco Airport for fourteen hours. So I did a little
Speaker 2: recap of that, and I was very tired of when
Speaker 2: I did it. Anyway, Yoss Racist.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Sophie, what do you got to plug?
Speaker 2: Well? And I at cool Zone Media have a new
Speaker 2: weekly podcast that I think at the time of this
Speaker 2: at least the trailer, if not episode one will be out.
Speaker 1: It's called Better Offline. It's a weekly show exploring the
Speaker 1: tech industry's fuckery. So check that out. Yeah, check me
Speaker 1: out on substack Margaret Kiljoy dot substack dot com, where
Speaker 1: I alright google it like the rest of us. You sick.
Speaker 1: You don't just type in your yeah.
Speaker 2: No man.
Speaker 1: Although, with the way Google's going, who knows where we're starting.
Speaker 2: Ask chat GPT yo, go Duck duck.
Speaker 1: The world's gonna split into three directions. There's going to
Speaker 1: be Google the centrists, and there's going to be Duck dutgo,
Speaker 1: the privacy paranoid. And then there's going to be the
Speaker 1: chat GPT, Yeah, the dumb fox, the people who are
Speaker 1: the least correct according to my whatever. Go listen to
Speaker 1: that podcast and it'll probably have better ideas than I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you all on Wednesday.
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