Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
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Speaker 1: My name is Robert lamp and my name is Julie Douglas,
Speaker 1: and we are back with our final sin in our
Speaker 1: series of seven Deadly sins. I think it's fitting that
Speaker 1: it's Slot. Yes, we say the best one. Well, we
Speaker 1: say one of them per last, and got to it finally, yeah, finally,
Speaker 1: after we sat on the couch in potato chips for months. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about slot. Let's uh, let's talk about
Speaker 1: it in the context of our friend Dante. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: interesting thing about slot is that, but before you really
Speaker 1: get into it it youve initially think, oh, slot, laziness,
Speaker 1: that's easy. But it's actually a little more uneven than that.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it depends on who's defining slot
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. You go back and you look
Speaker 1: at accounts of it in the medieval Christian Church, and
Speaker 1: you do see it in terms of this disinclination to
Speaker 1: use labor and to exert yourself in a very you know,
Speaker 1: physical means. But then you also have drug of doctors
Speaker 1: and saints like Thomas Aquinas who called it sadness in
Speaker 1: the face of spiritual good which one has to achieve.
Speaker 1: So you see it also defines to this kind of
Speaker 1: spiritual or emotional apathy. Yeah, I saw it in the
Speaker 1: context of a moral failing, a combination of alienation and
Speaker 1: tedium with a little self contempt thrown in. And it
Speaker 1: afflicted jaded monks who had tired of the cloistered life.
Speaker 1: And so it was a sin because they were actually
Speaker 1: turning away from their moral obligations and towards selfish pursuits.
Speaker 1: It was termed buy the Discovered Magazines article. I didn't sin,
Speaker 1: it was my brain as a monistic form of on.
Speaker 1: We well in Dante's Inferno there and I think we
Speaker 1: mentioned this already. There's no circle of sloth per se.
Speaker 1: But as we discussed in Wrath, we we do wind
Speaker 1: up on the river sticks with good old Dante and Virgil.
Speaker 1: As we're moving across this slimy, swampy just horrible muck
Speaker 1: fest that is stick, we see that there are bubbles
Speaker 1: rising up to the surface. They're rising up from the bottom,
Speaker 1: and that is where the sullen are. The river Sticks
Speaker 1: has the sullen, and they have the wrathful the wrathful
Speaker 1: are over there, biting and punching and douging it out
Speaker 1: on the surface, and the sullen are submerged in the
Speaker 1: bottom of this horrible slimy like they're down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're They're pouting, they're gargling, these mock prayers up through
Speaker 1: the waters. It's the idea that it's anger expressed in
Speaker 1: two ways. Here with the wrathful, it's anger that's it's outward,
Speaker 1: it's like I hate everything, gonna punch everything in the face.
Speaker 1: And then here it's anger that is inverted, that's pushes
Speaker 1: inward on the person, crushing them under the weights. Anger. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna read a quick bit from a translation
Speaker 1: of Dante and Frona, just to give you a little
Speaker 1: taste of the sullen and sticks. Here, my kind master said, son,
Speaker 1: now behold the souls of those whom Anger vanquished. And
Speaker 1: I would have you believe too, as a certainty, that
Speaker 1: under the water are people who are sighing, making the
Speaker 1: water bubble at the surface. As your eye will tell
Speaker 1: you wherever it turns fixed in the mind, or they say,
Speaker 1: we will gloomy in the sweet air, and the sun
Speaker 1: makes us glad, bearing within us the fumes of sullenness.
Speaker 1: Now we languish in the black slime. This hymn they
Speaker 1: gurgle in their throats, for they cannot fully form the words.
Speaker 1: So we wound about a large arc of the filthy swamp,
Speaker 1: between the dry bank and the wetness. Our eyes turned
Speaker 1: on those whose swallow mud. We came to the foot
Speaker 1: of a tower at the last. And that's from the
Speaker 1: version of Inferno that is edited and translated by Robert M. Durling,
Speaker 1: which I highly recommend. I think it's really cool. Translation,
Speaker 1: has a lot of interesting notes that really illuminate this
Speaker 1: fascinating text. And if you travel into Dante's purgatory, it's
Speaker 1: a little less interesting. There is a terrace, the fourth
Speaker 1: race of purgatory, and again purgatory is in Dante's Divine Comedy,
Speaker 1: is this mountain that connects the earth to Heaven. And
Speaker 1: if you're you're not bad enough for hell, but you're
Speaker 1: not good enough for Heaven, you're gonna have to work
Speaker 1: off your sins and polish yourself up before you can
Speaker 1: actually walk through the doorf heaven. So on the fourth
Speaker 1: level of Purgatory, you work off all that sloth, and
Speaker 1: here the slothful. They were slothful in life, and now
Speaker 1: they're showing great vigor, running around and circles on this terrace,
Speaker 1: shouting various famous examples of slothful behavior and the opposite virtue,
Speaker 1: which Dante definds a decisive zeal. So in life, these
Speaker 1: people really didn't care about anything, and they weren't really
Speaker 1: applying themselves. So to work it off, their shouting and
Speaker 1: running around, and they're they're screaming all these examples of
Speaker 1: of horrible sloth, but also examples of what they should
Speaker 1: have been doing, which is just getting really zealous about
Speaker 1: something important. So before they were gulping mud, and now
Speaker 1: they're just running around like maniacs. Yeah, and real quickly,
Speaker 1: I'm going to head east for a second and just
Speaker 1: point out that in Buddhism, sloth or torpor is one
Speaker 1: of the five hindrances that interfere with meditation, along with
Speaker 1: sensual desire, ill will, restlessness, and remorse and doubt. And
Speaker 1: according to sam KaiA, one of the six orthodox systems
Speaker 1: of Hindu philosopy, the there are three primal qualities of matter. Okay,
Speaker 1: the highest one is something called satva, which is illumination,
Speaker 1: enlightened knowledge, and lightness. And then there's one called Rajas,
Speaker 1: which is energy, passion and expansiveness. And the third is
Speaker 1: Thomas or darkness, and this is obscurity, ignorance, and inertia.
Speaker 1: So in this idea we see the idea of sloth
Speaker 1: as it relates to physical reality, but then that's also
Speaker 1: sometimes applied to our inner realities as well well. And
Speaker 1: I think that sloth is interesting because it's one of those,
Speaker 1: again sins that doesn't seem so bad, so you kind
Speaker 1: of have to wonder, well, why is it such a problem.
Speaker 1: In the church traditions especially, you see it defined as
Speaker 1: a capital sin, meaning that it's a sin that leads
Speaker 1: to other sins. So you start off as just being
Speaker 1: a lazy and slothful, the next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: being lustful or you're you know, you're doing something worse.
Speaker 1: It's like a gateway sin, according to some of the commentators. Well,
Speaker 1: there's also this idea that sloft is a sin because
Speaker 1: it contributes to the individual's failure to achieve achieve his
Speaker 1: or her future her true self expression right sit in
Speaker 1: this regard is really important because time is of the essence, right,
Speaker 1: we are a time limited creature here on this earth.
Speaker 1: We live, we die, And so the thought is that
Speaker 1: if you're engaging in sloth all the time, then you're
Speaker 1: wasting this precious gift or these moments in which you
Speaker 1: could again be achieving something that sort of transcends yourself. Right,
Speaker 1: whether you're looking at your time on Earth and your
Speaker 1: existence here is a gift from some sort of divine
Speaker 1: being or just an accident of evolution, there's no denying
Speaker 1: that there is a finite amount of time in which
Speaker 1: to achieve something. And if you put any value on
Speaker 1: achieving anything, then at the end of the day, you've
Speaker 1: you've got to look at yourself and say, like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what did I actually get done today? And if the
Speaker 1: answer is not much or nothing, then perhaps oh I
Speaker 1: was even thinking. In the context of Lawrence Krass, like
Speaker 1: we've talked about him and what he talks about in
Speaker 1: terms of supernova's dying and that material spewing fourth actually
Speaker 1: creating the Earth and how you know, the nitrogen, carbon dioxide,
Speaker 1: all these different things that um, you know, are actually
Speaker 1: in our own bodies are a result of the supernova's
Speaker 1: you know, blasting into little bits and shards, and when
Speaker 1: you think about it, that when you're like, wow, I
Speaker 1: am sitting here, living and breathing because of these incredible
Speaker 1: things that have happened in the universe. Yeah, that makes
Speaker 1: Slot feel really like, like pretty awful. Actually, it's kind
Speaker 1: of if you were looking at the timeline someone's like,
Speaker 1: and then a star exploded and this matter traveled across
Speaker 1: the universe and then for a little bit there, uh,
Speaker 1: it was embodied in this person who hate potato chips.
Speaker 1: But but what fascinates me too about Slot is that
Speaker 1: by some of these definitions, it's not necessarily just that
Speaker 1: guy that's setting on the couch eaven potato chips and
Speaker 1: doing nothing. You could have that guy who's living a
Speaker 1: very active life, a very busy life. You know, he's
Speaker 1: running in the morning, then he goes to his banking
Speaker 1: job or whatever. Then he comes back more running, uh,
Speaker 1: you know than socializing. But then at the to the day,
Speaker 1: has he done anything emotionally or spiritually that isn't selfish?
Speaker 1: You know? Like it's that I think we a lot
Speaker 1: of us have that kind of realization in our lives
Speaker 1: at different points where we're like we look at ourselves
Speaker 1: and we wonder, am I really contributing that much that
Speaker 1: is good to the world, Am I doing something that
Speaker 1: is that is that is worthwhile? Or am I just
Speaker 1: existing in the muck of my own Uh? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: and it's highly subjective because one man's sloth is another
Speaker 1: person's great productivity, right, And some people are just going
Speaker 1: to have more empathy, more emotional attachment to various topics.
Speaker 1: You know, like one person is going to be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: how could you spend your whole day and not think
Speaker 1: about the conditions on the other side of the world,
Speaker 1: or or think about you know, people that have less
Speaker 1: and try to give back. If you're not thinking about that,
Speaker 1: then it's just me and you have the blinders up
Speaker 1: to it. I mean it's okay, so um, not quite
Speaker 1: right now. But in a little bit we are actually
Speaker 1: going to talk about why that maybe why some people
Speaker 1: are more aware of this and what sloth is for
Speaker 1: some people and not for others. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on in the old noggain. Yes, inside the
Speaker 1: human brain. What is the science again? According to that
Speaker 1: Discover magazine article, I didn't sin it was my brain,
Speaker 1: the dorso lateral prefrontal cortex or the d l PFC
Speaker 1: has an unusual pattern of activation in both dementia and depression,
Speaker 1: so they see that its function is actually related to
Speaker 1: inhibiting impulses and sustaining attention, which is really important when
Speaker 1: it comes to motivation. Right, So for people who are
Speaker 1: experiencing depression or dementia, there is a bit of activation
Speaker 1: in that part that may suggest that this this part
Speaker 1: of the brain is actually a little bit weakened. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say, for lack of a better word
Speaker 1: there so as opposed to being this capital sin, this
Speaker 1: sort of weak point through which all the other problems surge, me,
Speaker 1: it's really more of a symptom of other problems in
Speaker 1: the brain. It's a question of sustaining attention in feeling motivation, right,
Speaker 1: because if you can't not sit down for five minutes
Speaker 1: and try to do something in your brain wanders, especially
Speaker 1: if you know you are experiencing depression or you do
Speaker 1: have dementia obviously, uh, you know you're going to lead
Speaker 1: to some sort of possible lethargy or just I don't know,
Speaker 1: walking around the room in circles trying to lift your spirits. Right.
Speaker 1: So conversely, activity in this air kid actually help camp
Speaker 1: down negative emotions and some studies depression lifted with stimulation
Speaker 1: of this part of the brain. And of course it's
Speaker 1: the aspect of boredom, right, How engaged can one be
Speaker 1: if there is nothing to be engaged with? Can you
Speaker 1: die from it? Can you die of it? Yes? And
Speaker 1: I think we've touched on this topic in the past,
Speaker 1: and we discussed how like isolation affects an individual where
Speaker 1: where our brains are are evolved in our our brains
Speaker 1: function in a changing world, like we need a new
Speaker 1: stimuli to keep it active, and if the stimuli doesn't change,
Speaker 1: then our brain becomes hyperactive and has to pull on
Speaker 1: stimuli that isn't necessarily there, and it can cause all
Speaker 1: number of problems inside the mind. Yeah, and there's this
Speaker 1: idea that boredom can't exactly lead to death, but your behavior,
Speaker 1: which could be risky because you're seeking a way out
Speaker 1: of boredom, could put you in a predicament that could
Speaker 1: leak into your death certainly. Um In the can You
Speaker 1: Dive Boredom article by Kristin Congress, she actually talks about
Speaker 1: how boredom prone people are more likely to engage in
Speaker 1: these high risk activities we're talking about compulsive gambling, alcoholism,
Speaker 1: drug addiction, and eating disorders and uh in the article
Speaker 1: also says that men are particularly susceptible, as well as
Speaker 1: people with brain injuries or some psychotic disorders. Now, what's
Speaker 1: interesting about that is that brings us back to the
Speaker 1: idea of floth is a capital sin, because then if
Speaker 1: we look at it, this idea that sloth is boredom
Speaker 1: and tedium, then yes, it could be a catalyst for
Speaker 1: other activities that are quote unquote more sinful but more destructive,
Speaker 1: like you like, I mean the classic example that comes
Speaker 1: to mind, it's like a board king. Oh he's boored.
Speaker 1: What is he going to do with his time? Oh
Speaker 1: he's going to eat more because he's and now he's buttonists.
Speaker 1: Or he's going to pursue the pleasures of the flesh
Speaker 1: and now he's lustful, or he's going to really get
Speaker 1: into warfare, or the persecution of witches. And this leads
Speaker 1: to all all sorts of violence against the people within
Speaker 1: his country and those without. Yeah, the persecution of which
Speaker 1: is things is it's a big problem here. Well, no,
Speaker 1: but the kids hang around being bored. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: in I've been reading a lot about witchcraft recently a well,
Speaker 1: specifically demonology and witchcraft in the mindset of those that
Speaker 1: end up crafting the theories of witchcraft and demonology, which
Speaker 1: of course are the learned men of the age. And
Speaker 1: you do have situations where they're and I don't have
Speaker 1: to date in front of me, so I can't give
Speaker 1: you the guy's name. You have like this one prince
Speaker 1: who has all of this time on his hands, and
Speaker 1: that's how he ends up occupying his time by really
Speaker 1: getting into ideas of witchcraft theory. And it's extremely harmful
Speaker 1: to his own people, so right, and which is you know,
Speaker 1: it's certainly a marker of obsession to write. And what
Speaker 1: I think is interesting about this idea of high risk
Speaker 1: behavior and sloth or boredom is that it puts a
Speaker 1: new skew on it, right, because normally you think about
Speaker 1: sloth is sitting around not doing much torpor. But I
Speaker 1: mean this kind of makes us reframe it as people
Speaker 1: who are bored easily, who want to be engaged in
Speaker 1: something but are just kind of running from one thing
Speaker 1: to the other. I mean, actually, I've actually was thinking
Speaker 1: about this in the context of neophiliacs, which we talked
Speaker 1: about people who really just want a new experience and
Speaker 1: actually contain the genes for this, right. They are hardwired
Speaker 1: in a sense to seek out these new activities. And
Speaker 1: if you have this in an imbalance, then you have
Speaker 1: a situation where someone can't stick with something for long.
Speaker 1: They a constantly need some sort of new stimulation to
Speaker 1: the point where it's like, oh, today I'm a musician,
Speaker 1: Tomorrow I'm going to be really interested in being an actor.
Speaker 1: And you never actually pursue these to the level where
Speaker 1: they you can actually be successful with them. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have to bring up our friend dopamine. You
Speaker 1: knew what was coming here. It is it could be
Speaker 1: that those people have a less dopamine in their system
Speaker 1: than others. And let me just go over dopamine again.
Speaker 1: This is the neurotransmitter. It triggers an emotional response in
Speaker 1: the brain, and when we experience something like join excitement,
Speaker 1: we get this kind of ding ding in our brains. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's a theory that high risk, boredom prone people
Speaker 1: may have naturally lower levels of dopamine. Okay, so they
Speaker 1: have to reach out for it more so, it's like
Speaker 1: they have a hole in the wine skin of their dopamine.
Speaker 1: It's it's possible. And then also people with damage to
Speaker 1: the frontal cortex experience greater risk taking urges along with
Speaker 1: boredom proneness, So there's a connection there. And the frontal
Speaker 1: cortex is also where we perceive time, which could be
Speaker 1: related to the feeling that time is passing so slowly
Speaker 1: when we're really bored. That flows right into the theories
Speaker 1: of relativity where if you're sitting there watching hey, ry,
Speaker 1: time is gonna pass a lot slower than if you're
Speaker 1: doing something exciting. Wasn't this Einstein's experience after he was
Speaker 1: talking to Barelyn Monroe or something. Yes, his whole deal
Speaker 1: was if you you're staring at a beautiful woman, time
Speaker 1: speeds up, which I have on several times, and mentioned
Speaker 1: that I think that could somehow be worked into a
Speaker 1: propulsion system for spaceship, like somehow use attractive women in
Speaker 1: a spaceship observed by elderly scientists, and that will somehow
Speaker 1: warp our perception of time enough to facilitate faster than
Speaker 1: light travel. So we have to be objectified in space. Two, well,
Speaker 1: it's necessary if we're gonna exit this. We're talking about
Speaker 1: the long term survival of the human race. I think
Speaker 1: women can can doll up a little for that. Yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll get our makeup kits for that one. All right,
Speaker 1: when we come back from our break, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the upside of sloth. Alright, we're back, So
Speaker 1: the upside of sloth. I was looking around a litt
Speaker 1: On several occasions, I've I've referred to the writings of
Speaker 1: Anton LaVey, not because he's the ultimate authority in the
Speaker 1: sort of Virtue of Sin dialogue, but because I tend
Speaker 1: to find the founder of the Church of Satan very
Speaker 1: amusing from a cultural perspective. And even he didn't have
Speaker 1: much to say about slot and his introduction to the
Speaker 1: Satanic Bible, where he's he's generally going through all these
Speaker 1: sins and talking about how great they are and how
Speaker 1: they really balance each other out. He just kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned sloth and passing. So how can sloth actually be
Speaker 1: beneficial if even a hard working Satanist couldn't find anything
Speaker 1: really all that's great about? Okay, all right, Well, take
Speaker 1: a little journey with me. Okay, I'm gonna refer to
Speaker 1: Wired article by Jonah Laire who's talking about sloth And
Speaker 1: he talks about a study conducted by Harvard psychologist Daniel
Speaker 1: Gilbert and Matthew A. Killingsworth, and they developed an iPhone
Speaker 1: app that contacted twenty people volunteers at random intervals, asking
Speaker 1: them about their current activity and their levels of happiness.
Speaker 1: What they found, amazingly is that people were mind wandering
Speaker 1: about forty six point nine percent of the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: half half of our lives right there, just wandering about. Yes.
Speaker 1: So that kind of took them down another trail, and
Speaker 1: so they decided, well, let's look into this whole day
Speaker 1: dreaming mind wandering thing going on, and uh, it turns
Speaker 1: out that you could actually benefit from daydreaming a good
Speaker 1: chunk of your time away. And let's call it something
Speaker 1: like lucid daydreaming. You have to have the ability to
Speaker 1: be aware that on some level that your daydreaming while
Speaker 1: still remaining inward. Okay, so that's very similar to to
Speaker 1: lucid dreaming, right, same concept. If you're dreaming, you're in slumber.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to know that that you're doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but also participate in whatever story that
Speaker 1: you're weaving. So psychology Professor Johnathan's schooler found now that
Speaker 1: there are two types of day dreamers or day dreaming,
Speaker 1: and this was shown in a study where participants were
Speaker 1: given a slow section of Warren Peace to read okay,
Speaker 1: and then time how long it took before they started
Speaker 1: thinking about something else. Uh. The first type of daydreaming
Speaker 1: occurs when people notice that their daydreaming, but really only
Speaker 1: when they're prodded by the one of the researchers do
Speaker 1: they actually realize that, like and I say, hey, are
Speaker 1: you daydreaming yet? Yeah, I'm okay. And then the second type,
Speaker 1: or again the sort of lucid daydreamers who can self
Speaker 1: report who are daydreaming but are really good at saying
Speaker 1: I'm gonna press the button I realized right now that
Speaker 1: I'm daydreaming. Those people score the highest on just a
Speaker 1: variety of creativity tests because again they're able to sort
Speaker 1: of realize that they're within this dream world, and yet
Speaker 1: there are aspects of this dream world that they can
Speaker 1: actually apply to. I guess you could say, whatever reality
Speaker 1: is at this point, you know, or to more may
Speaker 1: be practical things in their life. Well. As a writer,
Speaker 1: as someone who who writes not only science but also
Speaker 1: um like fiction on the side, I've spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time daydreaming with that in mind, and I feel
Speaker 1: like when I set out to I mean, I do
Speaker 1: some daydream that serves no purpose at all as well,
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll intentionally daydream on a
Speaker 1: various you know, fantastic setting or plot idea or something
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about writing someday or I'm actively writing
Speaker 1: now or have written in the past and may conceivably
Speaker 1: rewrite in the future, And so I'll throw the daydreaming
Speaker 1: into that, and I'll be like, I'm just gonna instead
Speaker 1: of reading on the train this morning, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: crank up some music and think about these characters at
Speaker 1: the setting. And you're bringing out an awareness to right,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing that awareness to it, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of goal oriented because I'm thinking, if I
Speaker 1: get this right, if I can figure out how the
Speaker 1: flow of this works, or if something really explosive and
Speaker 1: creative comes out of it, then that's something I can
Speaker 1: work into a story at some point. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: the cognitive gold that is possibly provided to us, you know,
Speaker 1: considering that you know, silver bronze, especially if you think
Speaker 1: about in the context of really do we daydream half
Speaker 1: of our lives are are waking hours away. Because if
Speaker 1: we're doing that, maybe we should all engage in in
Speaker 1: this sort of lucid daydreaming, which is, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have to be a zen master, but it does
Speaker 1: take some effort. Certainly, meditation is helpful for that because
Speaker 1: you become aware of your thoughts more easily. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you can think of it like brainstorming. Really right,
Speaker 1: You know, there are no bad ideas in brainstorming. Most
Speaker 1: of the ideas you generate in a brainstorming session for
Speaker 1: a business or any kind of business setting, you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw most of those away and maybe you'll get two
Speaker 1: or three that you can actually run with. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and think about thought experiments. So we've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: the thought experiments. There is no point to a solution
Speaker 1: at this point. It is just a scenario that you
Speaker 1: put out there and you say, what if and it
Speaker 1: could be the most ridiculous, most surreal thing. Um. The
Speaker 1: point is not to get to some sort of logical
Speaker 1: like and this is how you solve it. It's just
Speaker 1: to let your mind sort of tick through the options
Speaker 1: So there you have it, Sloth. It's not as nailed
Speaker 1: down to some of these other sins, motivations, aspects of
Speaker 1: the human heart, but it's certainly one that is interesting
Speaker 1: and certainly one that fills a lot of our lives.
Speaker 1: All right, I have just one quick listener mail, so
Speaker 1: let's call the robot over here. All right. This one
Speaker 1: comes to us from Joel. Joel says, Hello, Robert and Julie.
Speaker 1: Big fan of the show. First, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you for the podcast. You're welcome. I work a third
Speaker 1: shift job where I'm alone for about eight hours a night,
Speaker 1: and podcasts are how I keep myself from losing my mind.
Speaker 1: Yours and other house stuff works podcasts are a part
Speaker 1: of that. I just wanted to say that another podcast
Speaker 1: I listened to, wire Tap, a CBC radio show that
Speaker 1: mixes interviews and phone conversations and sometimes monologues and sketches
Speaker 1: around the topic, is also doing a series on the
Speaker 1: Seven Deadly Sins. I've been been holding off on listening
Speaker 1: to both there and your Seven Deadly since series, and
Speaker 1: I've been putting together a playlist of the episodes to
Speaker 1: listen to together. All I need now is their episode
Speaker 1: on Greed and your episode on slot ding ding Ding.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking forward to listening to all of
Speaker 1: them in one go, and just wanted to throw the
Speaker 1: idea out there for any other stuff to blow your
Speaker 1: mind listeners who also listen to podcasts in big chunks
Speaker 1: of time. Thanks Joe, Thanks Joel. That's actually really cool. Um,
Speaker 1: I would be very interested to get some of your
Speaker 1: thoughts too, after you absorb all of those different seven
Speaker 1: deadly sins from different perspectives. Yeah, and so certainly he's
Speaker 1: in a situation to discuss this because I've also worked
Speaker 1: I briefly worked like a factory job, but but I've
Speaker 1: certainly worked some jokes where there there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of thought, and I really had to put those into
Speaker 1: my brain to keep myself saying with a monotonous taft.
Speaker 1: So I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on slops
Speaker 1: and how we avoid this this tedium in our lives,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'd love to hear anybody's thoughts on
Speaker 1: sloth how it relates to what do you do in
Speaker 1: your daily life. If you have any thoughts on slop
Speaker 1: and video games that would be very interesting to hear about,
Speaker 1: Like and if you go in for a big, like
Speaker 1: five hour session of sky Rim and your character just
Speaker 1: buy some stuff and pick some berries and maybe kills
Speaker 1: a wolf, does that really feel like you accomplishing him?
Speaker 1: Does that feel kind of slothful? I don't know. But
Speaker 1: if you have a deep sense of satisfaction does that
Speaker 1: can you call that cloth anymore? And that's exact question. Yeah,
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