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Speaker 1: Are you drowning in a sea of conservative ideas?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Today I welcome Wade Stots, who summarizes what conservativesm means

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Speaker 1: in a common sense approach. This is the David Rutherford Show.

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Speaker 1: Every so often, within the social consciousness, someone emerges that

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Speaker 1: delivers such a profound sense of common sense that it

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Speaker 1: makes people stop and pay attention to what they're thinking

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Speaker 1: in their own minds, and they necessarily have an opportunity

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Speaker 1: through this explosion of It's not righteousness, but it's more

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Speaker 1: along the lines of just critical thinking in a way

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Speaker 1: that gives strength to people's thoughts. Wade Stots is this guy.

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Speaker 1: I've found him last year and his videos really kind

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Speaker 1: of summarized the way I wanted to be able to

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Speaker 1: express myself, and so the opportunity when it presented itself,

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Speaker 1: I reached out to him on X and I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I love what you do. Would you please come on?

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Speaker 1: He decided he would join us. So, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: mister Wade Starts.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Really appreciate you having me on. David.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, as as I went through all

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Speaker 1: of your videos, I began to kind of come up

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Speaker 1: with an idea that I wanted to focus on today

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Speaker 1: and that was really centralized around conservative movements and to

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Speaker 1: get your impression of where we exist right now and

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Speaker 1: how diversified have those movements become. We've seen lately there's

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Speaker 1: a battle between woke right and right. There's a battle

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Speaker 1: between the MAGA movement and neo cons There's a battle.

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Speaker 1: So just in your opinion, where what is the conservative

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Speaker 1: overall movement and what are all the little tributaries that

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Speaker 1: are taking place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it is a fascinating time to

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Speaker 3: be non left. I think that's where we are, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of the non left coalition is is seeing

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Speaker 3: a common enemy and recognizing, hey, we have to team

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Speaker 3: up with people we may not have thought we would

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Speaker 3: be teaming up with. And I think that that's a

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Speaker 3: good development, mainly because the left needs to be defeated,

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Speaker 3: but I also it's it's it takes on something that

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Speaker 3: I think is a good development, which is that it's

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Speaker 3: a kind of conservatism or reaction that's not ideological, so

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Speaker 3: it's not hard, it's not bound to any particular like

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Speaker 3: everybody involved I think has high moral beliefs, but it's

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Speaker 3: not the same thing as having an ideology, which which

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Speaker 3: I think Russell Kirk characterized as kind of a counterfeit religion,

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Speaker 3: sort of this set of principles that you hold on

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Speaker 3: to excuse me, no matter what, and no matter what

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Speaker 3: facts come at you, or whether you think that it's

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Speaker 3: working out or something. So in a similar way, I

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Speaker 3: think that a lot of people voted for Trump that

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Speaker 3: weren't expecting to do so. And I think that that,

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Speaker 3: if anything, Trump has reorganized our politics to be yes personal,

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Speaker 3: which I think is a normal, good development, more personal,

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Speaker 3: less ideological, I think is a good development, and also

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Speaker 3: moving away from again this kind of pseudo religion of

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Speaker 3: I've got my list of the non aggression principle or

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Speaker 3: whatever kind of thing I want to put in the

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Speaker 3: center of my world, and then organize all of my

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Speaker 3: strategy and thinking around. Again, I'm a Christian, so I

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Speaker 3: don't think that it's bad to have universal beliefs that

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Speaker 3: can't be touched. But that's not the same thing as

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Speaker 3: having political strategy beliefs or prudential concerns. And if you

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Speaker 3: look at most of the what conservatism or I know

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Speaker 3: again I quoted Russell Kirk, and then use the word conservatism,

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Speaker 2: Is the ism part of that I think can be

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the past, if you look

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Speaker 3: at the traditional way that people have thought before, they

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Speaker 3: were okay with multiple kinds of solutions to things.

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Speaker 2: They were okay with.

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Speaker 3: Saying well, this worked for a while and we needed

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Speaker 3: Somebody like Edmondburgh, somebody like Russell Kirk, Russell Kirk would

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Speaker 3: be okay with talking that way, whereas an ideological vision

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Speaker 3: comfortable with different kinds of solutions.

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Speaker 1: I love that answer. And you did this. Really Two

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Speaker 1: of my favorites that you came up with was, you know,

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Speaker 1: you did one show about the Russian or the French

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Speaker 1: Revolution and that Russoian belief system that we can generate,

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Speaker 1: you know, our morality based on you know, these principles

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Speaker 1: of our own our own sovereignty, if you will, let's

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Speaker 1: get rid of the confines of the church and the

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Speaker 1: confines of imperial rule and let's just figure it out

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Speaker 1: as we go. And then there was the other one

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Speaker 1: think that kind of postmodernistic belief system is what's actually

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Speaker 1: kind of morphine our one ideals, and you describe it

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Speaker 1: as the nineteen fifties or the nineteen nineties right into

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Speaker 1: that now our fifth level of the constitutional republic. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain what you meant a little bit to the

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Speaker 1: listeners and by those statements that you made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on the I'll start with a resou point, because

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Speaker 3: I think that's that leads us well into this. Rousseau

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Speaker 3: he was sitting and going, well, I know, I can

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Speaker 3: turns out that those those people tend to treat their

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Speaker 4: The Gilatine it was on overdrive, absolutely, and so it's

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Speaker 4: it's a different kind of way of thinking about politics,

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Speaker 4: way of thinking about man than the kind of thing

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Speaker 3: America is was a was an Anglo Protestant project initially,

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Speaker 3: and it's still at its core an Anglo Protestant thing.

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Speaker 3: look at that, what's happening is that this is a

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Speaker 3: And it's not again just people sitting around trying to

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Speaker 3: the political universals, the political things weren't the same kind

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Speaker 2: They could be more flexible.

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Speaker 3: And so seeing the American Constitution as being something the

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Speaker 2: So it's not just.

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Speaker 3: That, hey, we need to get closer to that documents.

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Speaker 3: It's that the people who formed that document and the

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Speaker 3: I still think that Anglo Protestantism is the core of America,

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Speaker 3: and I think that there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Say what's true.

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Speaker 3: So again there's there's a vision of politics that's just

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Speaker 3: principles divorced from people, and you could there's a certain

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Speaker 3: We can we can treat the Constitution as an expression

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Speaker 2: That everybody should be governed by.

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Speaker 3: But you can you can see places where we've tried

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Speaker 2: Tried the nation build. We tried that.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, so you can pass out pocket constitutions all

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Speaker 3: to be embraced by the people in the same way

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Speaker 3: that it was by our original by our founders, because

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Speaker 3: it's just again, those people were shaped in a particular way,

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Speaker 3: I love the people that produced the Constitution, I love

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Speaker 3: the Constitution itself, and I think that again, I made

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Speaker 3: a video that had a pretty provocative title, which was

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Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite ones. But I watched

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Speaker 3: But at some level, it's just recognizing, hey, we've we've

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Speaker 3: that we're so far away from this that you mentioned this,

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Speaker 3: I think in a different context. But John Adams saying

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Speaker 3: that we're the Constitution is made for moral and religious people.

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Speaker 3: the Constitution doesn't make sense to us anymore. No wonder

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Speaker 3: we're having such trouble obeying the Constitution. It's that the

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Speaker 3: and I see that as a tragedy.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to get back to something like that.

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Speaker 3: But again, it's it's a it's a way of recognizing

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Speaker 3: that there's a constitutionalism that can become an ideological vision

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Speaker 3: that is separated from the people, the values, the culture,

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Speaker 3: where where we're where we all the the baseline assumptions

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Speaker 3: to our to our peril.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, I couldn't agree more with you. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I think as as as I've spent you know, a

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, because I remember everybody was always

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Speaker 1: when I started, you know, teaching and training people, is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we want to have the culture of the Navy seals.

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Speaker 1: And and I'm like, uh, all right, well here, come

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Speaker 1: ice water, and I'm gonna beat you down before you

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Speaker 1: go to your computer terminal, and I'm gonna scream at

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Speaker 1: you and you know, and all this. And they're like, oh, wait,

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Speaker 1: that's not what we want, right right, we we we

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Speaker 1: want to we want to extrapolate the gains from you know,

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Speaker 1: the long term impacts of of that forging process without

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Speaker 1: think that's where we're at. And and and you always

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Speaker 1: are so eloquent by the way you describe it, and

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Speaker 3: Lewis knows, Hey, I wasn't sitting there on like I

439
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Speaker 3: couldn't draw on the chalkboard. Why why I was still

440
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Speaker 3: there or why I stayed where I was supposed to be.

441
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Speaker 3: But I was there, and it was loyalty, and it

442
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Speaker 3: was it was again a sentimentality at some level, which

443
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Speaker 3: you can you know, you can say, hey, that's not real,

444
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Speaker 3: that's not rational, but everybody knows that that's not true.

445
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Speaker 2: What are the things that motivate you most.

446
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Speaker 3: It's not the things again that you can sketch out

447
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Speaker 3: on a blackboard. It's your family relationships, it's the it's

448
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Speaker 3: the things that really drive you. So that's that's the

449
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Speaker 3: the baseline familial aspect. And then the storytelling of hey,

450
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Speaker 3: we we love our country and that's not just not

451
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Speaker 3: just principles, it's the stories that we tell. And again

452
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Speaker 3: I I I love watching old war movies. I love

453
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Speaker 3: watching old westerns and things like that, and I think

454
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Speaker 3: that really has those those things have motivated a generation

455
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Speaker 3: to do greater.

456
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Speaker 2: Things than I'm capable of doing.

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Speaker 3: And so what I want to do is feed that

458
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Speaker 3: to my kids and also be that to myself and

459
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Speaker 3: recognize that's that's the thing that that gives you affection

460
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Speaker 3: and you know you can you can at some level.

461
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Speaker 3: You have to be the guy who goes to a

462
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Speaker 3: Fourth of July parade and like gets wells up with pride,

463
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Speaker 3: even if it is just the local bank. You know,

464
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Speaker 3: somebody from the local bank holding an American flag. You know,

465
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Speaker 3: there's there's some something that and and you can't really

466
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Speaker 3: there's no like, there's no medical prescription that you can

467
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Speaker 3: give that turns that on right. And like if if

468
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Speaker 3: at some level you have to be the kind of person.

469
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Speaker 3: Uh and and this goes into the American identity thing

470
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Speaker 3: that I think we were going to talk about. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 3: if you can look at a statue of George Washington

472
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Speaker 3: and say that's my people, that's who I come from

473
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Speaker 3: and be proud of coming from that kind of person

474
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Speaker 3: and being a part of the nation that he found it,

475
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Speaker 3: that's that's the kind that's identity stuff.

476
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Speaker 2: That's that's I'm going to fight stuff.

477
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Speaker 3: And that's that's the kind of thing that matters and

478
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Speaker 3: creates camaraderie. If we're bound together, not even not necessarily

479
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Speaker 3: even by the same stories, but by the same kinds

480
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Speaker 3: of stories.

481
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Speaker 2: Then I think we're gonna last a little bit longer.

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Speaker 3: This is why I'm encouraged by things like The Top

483
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Speaker 3: Gun Maverick. You know, like it sounds silly, but it

484
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Speaker 3: sounds silly, but at some level, like in twenty twenty two,

485
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: everybody kind of needed a little bit of that. That

486
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: it was it was a nostalgia trip, not just for

487
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Speaker 3: this old movie that we all liked when we were

488
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Speaker 3: growing up, but it was also a vision of, Hey,

489
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Speaker 3: these are good people working hard to do the right thing.

490
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Speaker 3: They have a mission, they focus on the mission, and

491
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Speaker 3: they and they care about how it goes because they

492
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Speaker 3: care about each other. And again that's that's a popcorn movie.

493
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: But like that that there's still something, there's still nerve

494
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Speaker 3: endings in the American body that light up when they

495
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Speaker 3: hit something like that, And I think that's good that

496
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Speaker 3: that and that that's the kind of thing that I

497
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Speaker 3: think will help us Celebrations like the uh, you know,

498
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Speaker 3: the anniversary coming up two hundred and fifteth Saled celebration.

499
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Speaker 3: That's huge, I think. But yeah, it's it's going to

500
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Speaker 3: be encouraging and encouraging at some level. The sentiment, the

501
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Speaker 3: sentimental uh part of identity. UH, that that will make

502
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Speaker 3: a big difference.

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Speaker 1: I agree, man, And I love how you always as

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're obviously a phenomenal storyteller. And I think

505
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Speaker 1: that's another thing. I'm I'm a sucker for great storytelling too. Man.

506
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Speaker 1: I just I just get trapped. And I was a

507
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Speaker 1: movie kid my whole life, right, And just the other

508
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Speaker 1: day I watched The Big Red One again with Lee

509
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Speaker 1: Marvin and he was one of my heroes as a kid,

510
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Speaker 1: and it's such a beautiful movie about this small team

511
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Speaker 1: that goes from Northern Africa to Sicily to to to

512
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Speaker 1: uh France all the way through and it's just beautiful

513
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Speaker 1: story of this old sergeant who was in World War

514
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Speaker 1: One and finishes in World War Two. And you know,

515
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Speaker 1: and I was I was just thinking to myself, I

516
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Speaker 1: got that's what we need more of. We need, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: because I believe that the cultural foundations of America are

518
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Speaker 1: rooted in stories. It's the stories of escaping persecution from

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Speaker 1: England or from the Church, or you know, it's escaping persecution,

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Speaker 1: you know, famine from from Ireland. It's the Scottish leaving

521
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Speaker 1: and coming to the Appalachians and and founding there. And

522
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Speaker 1: you know, and I think those stories are are are

523
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Speaker 1: profound as you've you've said that, and I love how

524
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Speaker 1: you described the wiring in us, like those tentacles that

525
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: are just waiting for that emotion to hit us and

526
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Speaker 1: to light us up, in particular young people. What as

527
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Speaker 1: as AI emerges And do you think that you know,

528
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Speaker 1: in a greater capacity to tell stories by using ai AI.

529
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Speaker 1: The latest versions of all the different video software are insane.

530
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Speaker 1: Someone just put one out the other day that it

531
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Speaker 1: showed what the collapse of like the apocalypse, and they

532
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Speaker 1: created all the influencers online and how they would be

533
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Speaker 1: filming themselves in the in the in the apocalypse, and

534
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Speaker 1: it was brilliant. It was just so beautifully done, and

535
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Speaker 1: you know, as satirically done. How do you think, like,

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Speaker 1: do you foresee a real emergence of those kind of

537
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Speaker 1: stories of past coming out to really penetrate through the

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Speaker 3: It's it's tough mainly because obviously it's tough to predict anything.

554
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: But what we've seen with the AI at some level

555
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: is kind of a is marketing. The marketing around AI

556
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: is that it is a democratizing force. It's a thing

557
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: that allows anybody to do to fulfill their dreams and

558
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Speaker 3: make something. The problem that I see with that is

559
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: that every time an industry has become democratized, that industry

560
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: at some level dies. And I don't take any joy

561
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: in saying that. I mean, like, it's what happened with music.

562
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: As soon as around the same time that everybody said, hey,

563
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: I can make a record in my bedroom. Is around

564
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: the time that yes, a few people jumped up to

565
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Speaker 3: the top of the charts and people got popular through

566
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Speaker 3: YouTube and that sort of thing. But it was about

567
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Speaker 3: the same time that the music industry stopped being able

568
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Speaker 3: to make money. So Spotify came around around the same

569
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Speaker 3: time that home recording software became easy to buy, and

570
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: you see that with movies too, cameras and so, yes,

571
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Speaker 3: it's become democratized at some level.

572
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: But the difference.

573
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: Conor O'Brien has talked about how when he said, when

574
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Speaker 3: there were three channels or four channels, there was maybe

575
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Speaker 3: one thing on, right, and then when they expanded to

576
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: three hundred channels, there was still maybe one thing on.

577
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Speaker 3: So adding the amount of options that people have doesn't increase.

578
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Speaker 2: The amount of talent in the world. But what it does.

579
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Speaker 3: But what it does do is it allows the talent

580
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Speaker 3: to people who are there to find a path, and

581
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Speaker 3: I think that's that's a good thing. So will will

582
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Speaker 3: this technology again, Artificial intelligence I see as a similar

583
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Speaker 3: sort of technology to cheap digital cameras and the video stuff.

584
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Speaker 3: But what ends up happening, I think is the the

585
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to say problem. But one element of AI,

586
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: that is one element of AI I think needs to

587
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: be talked about more, is that the only thing that

588
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: it can go on is representations of reality. So if

589
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Speaker 3: I take a picture of a tree and then that

590
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Speaker 3: gets fed into an algorithm, the the algorithm has access

591
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Speaker 3: to that picture of that tree, but it has it's

592
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: one step removed from the tree. And so in the

593
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: same way that if I'm talking to you in a

594
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: private conversation, I can write down something you said and say, hey,

595
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: David said this great thing, and that can get fed

596
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: into an algorithm, but it can't get the vibe. It

597
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: doesn't know who you are, it knows something you said,

598
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: and so it only has access to representations of reality.

599
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: But people who are way more have way more connections

600
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Speaker 3: than any algorithm has have access to reality.

601
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Speaker 2: So you've got a if.

602
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Speaker 3: You have a person and you have a real tree,

603
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: then you have that's a stronger creative connection that can

604
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Speaker 3: be made there than all of the computers that could

605
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: ever exist. And so there's more computing power in your

606
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: brain than you can imagine. And and that's again a

607
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: crude way of talking about what the brain is, but

608
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: there's more. There's more power in your brain, more power

609
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Speaker 3: in the thing a thing itself and a relationship with

610
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Speaker 3: a real person. Then there is uh in the computer

611
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: again trying to fool you into thinking that it knows

612
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Speaker 3: what people are like. And so what my my my

613
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: hesitance is not in the technology of AI. My hesitance

614
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: is about the marketing and and and the way it's

615
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: the way it's being sold.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So what I what I hope is that yes, whatever

618
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: creative things come out now, whatever happens next, is going

619
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: to have to have a human connection, has to be

620
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: able to represent reality. And if if and people can

621
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Speaker 3: represent reality better if they're trained, well, if they if

622
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Speaker 3: they're talented, if they're good, Uh, they can do it

623
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Speaker 3: better because they've experienced it.

624
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Speaker 2: They know what reality is like. And you can you can.

625
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Speaker 3: Have a person drive a big machine that's trying to

626
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: you know, approximate that, but it's always going to be

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: again a few steps removed from the the real, tangible things.

628
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Speaker 3: And I think that's I think that's recognizing the limits

629
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Speaker 3: of AI and loving or of any kind of technology

630
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Speaker 3: and loving the thing that it can't have access to,

631
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Speaker 3: even a camera camera.

632
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Speaker 2: A camera can't have.

633
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Speaker 3: Access to a thing, or to your kids, or to

634
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Speaker 3: your friends. But you do, and that's more valuable. And

635
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Speaker 3: that's any any kind of creative person should be working

636
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: their hardest to solidify their connections to the real stuff

637
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Speaker 3: in order to bring it into.

638
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Speaker 2: Their creations and push things forward.

639
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Speaker 3: So whatever happens, and again, whatever technology anybody ends up using,

640
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Speaker 3: my hope is that the humanity shines through because that's

641
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Speaker 3: what makes things work well.

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Speaker 1: I think it you, by the way, that was very

643
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Speaker 1: beautifully pulled.

644
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Speaker 2: Man.

645
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Speaker 1: Thank you for surmising a complicated future for us. But

646
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Speaker 1: it really is tangential to like you said, that vibe,

647
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Speaker 1: that energy, that anima that exists between the human and

648
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Speaker 1: their connection into reality itself. I think that was wonderful

649
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Speaker 1: if that's the case, and and that's I think another

650
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Speaker 1: reason what attracted me to your stuff as much as

651
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: it does. How do you what do you do moving forward?

652
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Speaker 1: Do you do you come out of the basement and

653
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: start making uh, you know, documentaries like Matt Walsh does,

654
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Speaker 1: or do you do you continue growing the podcasts and

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Speaker 1: interviews or what what does Wade do to make that

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Speaker 1: that tangible connection to the constitutional energy that is a

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Speaker 1: result from our who we are as a people, our culture,

658
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Speaker 1: and then you know, moving forward the unique uh construct

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Speaker 1: of of where politics are going, where the world is going,

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Speaker 1: Where do you go and how do you continue to

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Speaker 1: develop your ability to tell stories?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is a huge question, and uh what

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Speaker 3: what my hope is is that whatever I do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I've always seen this any videos I make as at

665
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Speaker 3: some level an entertainment product, which I think is okay,

666
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Speaker 3: and I know that there's it is amazing what I mean,

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Speaker 3: everybody talked about this when John Stewart was on the air,

668
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Speaker 3: how the entertainment. He was an entertainer, he was a comedian,

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Speaker 3: He had opinions, and those opinions were really what drove

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Speaker 3: the show. But he was an entertainer first. But that

671
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Speaker 3: was the way that people learned how to think about politics.

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Speaker 3: They didn't watch the news. They sort of watched John

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Speaker 3: Stewart watch the news and felt like that was enough,

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Speaker 3: and I can We're in a different era where John

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Speaker 3: Stewart has all day, Like, by the time John Stewart

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Speaker 3: came on at eleven pm Eastern, a lot had happened.

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Speaker 2: A lot has happened in commentary world.

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Speaker 3: So essentially what would happen is commentary all day on

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Speaker 3: television and then jokes with commentary at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day. But what happens on X is jokes and

681
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Speaker 3: commentary are happening at the same time, and so you've

682
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Speaker 3: got this entertainment and commentary thing that's existing already. So

683
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Speaker 3: we're in a different era where we're not waiting around

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Speaker 3: for the jokes. We're not waiting around for you know,

685
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Speaker 3: Norm McDonald on Weekend Update to tell us a joke

686
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Speaker 3: about what happened on Tuesday, because we're already telling each

687
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Speaker 3: other jokes. And you know, hopefully the professional comedy writers

688
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: can can do better, but we've.

689
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Speaker 2: We've found out that sometimes they can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly, but but yeah, I think that's that's a

691
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Speaker 3: fun I'm glad to be doing what I'm doing now,

692
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Speaker 3: mainly because I think that the the paths, the old paths,

693
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Speaker 3: were always going to implode, mainly because it was.

694
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Speaker 2: It was, And again I just.

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Speaker 3: Talked about like I talked bad about the democratizing process,

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Speaker 3: so I'll talk good about it. The way that people

697
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Speaker 3: have access to a microphone, that does mean that talent

698
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Speaker 3: is going to out itself.

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Speaker 2: And the way I think about it is that.

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Speaker 3: I Indy Wilson and Nate Wilson, who's a who's an author,

701
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Speaker 3: talks about how God made a world where cream rises.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way the world works.

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Speaker 3: And so whether there's a studio system or like a

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Speaker 3: or a label system for music or television world that

705
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Speaker 3: you've got to get into and start as a PA

706
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Speaker 3: and work your way up, or there's the Internet, both

707
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Speaker 3: of those, whatever the mechanics the outward systems are, cream

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Speaker 3: will rise. And my hope is that and so I

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Speaker 3: trust that that's the world that I live in and

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Speaker 3: that no matter what the systems look like, the good

711
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Speaker 3: stuff is going to get out there. And we've seen

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Speaker 3: that happen. I think that there's there's you know, cream

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Speaker 3: is not the only thing that rises. I want to

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Speaker 3: be clear about that, but there is. Hopefully, if you

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Speaker 3: make a good enough thing, then people will listen.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's uh.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing that happen, uh with with people that I'm

718
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Speaker 3: a big fan of and people and I love being

719
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Speaker 3: an audience member to a lot of success for my friends.

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Speaker 2: So it's good.

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Speaker 1: Who can you just give us a quick list of

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Speaker 1: some of those people, because I really want, if I

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Speaker 1: really want people to discover there is these these these

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Speaker 1: other networks, these are these other because there, like you said,

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Speaker 1: there's so many people doing it and there is so

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Speaker 1: much talent rising to the top, like yourself. Who are

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Speaker 1: some of the people that are really influencing you right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I live in Moscow, Idaho, and I my

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Speaker 3: my pastor's name is Doug Wilson, and he he's a

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Speaker 3: guy who I've learned a ton from through books but

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Speaker 3: also through pastoring and sitting under his teaching on Sundays,

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Speaker 3: and so most of the actual influences that I have

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Speaker 3: are going to be closer to home. So so Pastor

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Speaker 3: Doug Wilson is huge, huge influence on me, and I'd

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Speaker 3: recommend everybody check out his stuff. But Joe Rigney is

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Speaker 3: another pastor on the staff there. Jared Longshore has written

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Speaker 3: several books. Joe Rigney specifically his book on the Sin

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Speaker 3: of Empathy is something that I think at some levels

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Speaker 3: started a national conversation.

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Speaker 2: He started talking.

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Speaker 3: About the way that empathy could be weaponized back in

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and now we see this as again a

743
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Speaker 3: huge national conversation is happening everywhere. But I think his

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Speaker 3: work on it at least started that conversation. But it's

745
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Speaker 3: something that somebody needed to say, and he said it

746
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Speaker 3: before anybody did, and kind of took a lot of

747
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Speaker 3: arrows early, and so he was.

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Speaker 2: Able to push through there. But I love Joe.

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Speaker 3: He's got a book called cent of Empathy and another

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Speaker 3: book called Leadership and Emotional Sabotage, both of which are

751
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Speaker 3: really really good.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, there are pastors here.

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Speaker 3: I worked for a company called Canon Press, and so

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Speaker 3: a huge amount of my influence is just immediate.

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Speaker 2: And I see them walking through the office, you know,

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Speaker 2: so that's great.

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Speaker 3: But I also see yeah, I mean, and I got

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Speaker 3: to see. Speaking of pastor Wilson, he went on Tucker

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Speaker 3: I think last year, yeah, as one of my.

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Speaker 1: Favorite shows the last year that he is so.

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Speaker 3: Good, so good, and you know, he's he's a guy

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Speaker 3: who's been working away as a pastor for decades and

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Speaker 3: has been saying a lot of the same stuff that

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Speaker 3: he's been saying, but doing it in a way that again,

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Speaker 3: he has a pretty consistent record, and so when he

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Speaker 3: gets a bunch of opportunities, he's going to just be

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Speaker 3: the same guy.

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Speaker 2: But when people I think we saw this also.

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Speaker 3: Around the unpleasantness of twenty twenty, where a lot of

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Speaker 3: people recognized, hey, I've got I wish somebody would have

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Speaker 3: started building something decades ago because they realized, hey, my

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Speaker 3: schools are failing my kids. My churches are failing me

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Speaker 3: at some level. And that's not universal thing. There were

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Speaker 3: plenty of good churches, plenty of good schools. But I

775
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Speaker 3: mean the school that my kids go to got started

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Speaker 3: in the eighties and it's it's a private Christian school

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Speaker 3: that started the association of classical Christian schools across the country.

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Speaker 2: So again, people have been building for a long time.

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Speaker 3: And so when when somebody like Pastor Wilson shows up

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Speaker 3: on Tucker, he's he's coming with a lot of ethos.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's coming not just with the right arguments

782
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Speaker 3: and the right things to say, but hey, I've been

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Speaker 3: working on it for a while, and people are now

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Speaker 3: recognizing the value of that, which which was encouraging to me.

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Speaker 3: But I also mean that with friends like Rn McIntyre

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Speaker 3: as a friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: He does stuff over at Blaze. Love his stuff.

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Speaker 3: And in a similar way, I think that as people

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Speaker 3: will are going back to the great thinkers of the

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Speaker 3: past centuries, I've recognized how great their insights were.

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Speaker 2: So I talk about GK. H Asterton all the time,

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Speaker 2: I talk about C. S.

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Speaker 3: Lewis I have in this conversation, but also people like

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Speaker 3: Russell Kirk and people like Edmund Burgh. I did a

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Speaker 3: video recently where I just quoted Edmund Burke for a

796
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Speaker 3: long time. That and my long quotes about Edmond Burke

797
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: got called the worst names in the world. You know,

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Speaker 3: the worst things you can possibly be is a guy

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Speaker 3: quoting a guy from you know, the seventeen hundreds. So

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Speaker 3: that's been fun. You know, it's recognizing, hey, the value

801
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Speaker 3: is there if we look for it. And so my

802
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Speaker 3: my influences are all over the place, and my friends

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Speaker 3: are all over the place. But like I said, it's

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Speaker 3: good to see I think the world recognizing that there's

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Speaker 3: value in reality again, people who've seen reality for a

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Speaker 3: long time. And then when you hear I said, I

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Speaker 3: said this about the first time I started reading Pastor

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Speaker 3: Wilson's books and some books that were coming out of Cannon,

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Speaker 3: I just realized that the insights per page ratio was

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Speaker 3: way higher than I was used to. I was used

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Speaker 3: to really like padded out business books, you know, where

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Speaker 3: it's like they've got.

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Speaker 2: Leaders everything looks yes, so you know exactly what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So like, there are like five insights and they're spread

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Speaker 3: throughout the whole book, with a bunch of stories connecting

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Speaker 3: them all, and you know, and I've learned a lot

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Speaker 3: from those, so I don't want to talk bad about those.

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Speaker 3: But like again, like Joe Rignany's book Leadership and Emotional Sabotage,

819
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Speaker 3: you read that book and you go every sentence you go, oh, man,

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Speaker 3: I know ten instances where this happened, and you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a.

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Speaker 2: So that that's fun.

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Speaker 3: And I think people are ready for that kind of

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Speaker 3: talk where it doesn't have to just be a fill

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Speaker 3: fill a word count kind of talk, or it doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to be fill time kind of talk. The places

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Speaker 3: where the the insights are packed in. I think people

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Speaker 3: are ready for that and they recognize the value. So,

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Speaker 3: like I said, I'm really glad to be living in

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Speaker 3: this kind of world where I see good work from

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Speaker 3: past decades bearing good fruit and I just get to

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Speaker 3: again be a happy audience member at some level.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're so much more than that, man.

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Speaker 1: I think you're taking all of those You're revitalizing them,

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Speaker 1: They're giving them a new a new energy to them,

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Speaker 1: and you're really making a just a huge positive impact.

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Speaker 1: I know you have on me over the last year,

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Speaker 1: and I know you will continue to do that in

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Speaker 1: all of the things that you do. And I can't

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Speaker 1: thank enough Wade for coming on. I appreciate you, I

841
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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're doing. And could you just tell everybody

842
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Speaker 1: where they can find your show and where they can

843
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Speaker 1: follow you.

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on x at Wade Stotts WAD E S

845
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Speaker 3: t O T T S and The Wade Show with

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Speaker 3: Wade is the show that I do, and that's on YouTube.

847
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Speaker 3: I also do a podcast every week on Canon Plus,

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Speaker 3: so cannonplus dot com, and there's a ton of stuff there.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could go into how much cool stuff

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Speaker 3: is on Cannon Plus, but I do have a promo

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Speaker 3: code for ninety nine cents for your first month It

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Speaker 3: is Wade ninety nine, so check out Canon Plus promo code.

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Speaker 3: Weaight ninety nine. But yeah, I'm everywhere. I try to

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Speaker 3: be everywhere anyway you are.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother. Keep doing what you're doing. God bless you.

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Speaker 2: Man. Well, thank you, David. Appreciate it.