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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody.

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks.

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Speaker 1: Off right now.

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Speaker 2: Got some things to discuss with all of you. Got

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Speaker 2: the continuing Epstein fallout of all the documents, including Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton's deposition, now something we can discussed here Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 2: testifying Clay. Just as a follow up, remember when they

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Speaker 2: said that some photo got leaked apparently was being recorded,

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Speaker 2: and so it just a photo came out in advance

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Speaker 2: of the recorded session. So it was really just a

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Speaker 2: total tempest in a teapot. The whole thing was absurd.

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Speaker 2: No surprise with.

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Speaker 1: Any of that.

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Speaker 2: More on the Trump USA hockey relationship. Awesomeness for Americans

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Speaker 2: who love America, but there are some there are some sad, sad,

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Speaker 2: exclamation point malcontents out there who do not love fun

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Speaker 2: America Gold Medals hockey and they are annoyed about this,

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Speaker 2: including one athlete who only ever gets attention anymore for

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Speaker 2: being one of those people who is a malcontent and

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Speaker 2: cannot celebrate the greatness of USA USA without.

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Speaker 1: Raining on the parade.

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Speaker 2: A bit update on the NYPD snowball assault situation, which

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Speaker 2: I have to say I am gratified that at least

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Speaker 2: some people. Well, we are, certainly, but the police commissioner

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Speaker 2: was taking it very seriously. But as I warned you,

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Speaker 2: I saw this one coming. It's not up for the

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Speaker 2: police commissioner whether these individuals get punished or not. So

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Speaker 2: we will give you the latest on that, some immigrations

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Speaker 2: and customs enforcement updates, and then Paramount takes over Warner Brothers,

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Speaker 2: clay Our Media m and a expert is going to

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Speaker 2: explain why this matters.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those things.

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Speaker 2: Truly, I don't even know he knows he could run

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Speaker 2: the org chart for all these places from his head,

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Speaker 2: like he actually knows who's in charge and who owns what.

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Speaker 2: I don't even there's like Viacom, Discovery Channel, Movie Studio.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be eddy of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a big deal. We'll dive

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Speaker 3: into that. But I think probably the number one story

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Speaker 3: right now, as we were just talking about off airbuck

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Speaker 3: is Bill Clinton is testifying in the Epstein probe. Yesterday

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Speaker 3: was Hillary, Today is Bill Clinton. And so let me

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Speaker 3: give you my take and then everybody can be angry

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Speaker 3: at it. Yes, nothing is going to come of this.

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton is going to answer questions as a smart

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Speaker 3: attorney would denying. He's already put out a public statement

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Speaker 3: denying that he had any knowledge of it at all,

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Speaker 3: wagging his finger at all of us like he did

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Speaker 3: with Monica Lewinsky, and it's going to be basically impossible

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Speaker 3: to prove that he did anything wrong. Let me tell

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Speaker 3: you where this is going, because I do think this

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Speaker 3: is signific again, and we'll open up the phone lines

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Speaker 3: if people want to weigh in. The Jeffrey Epstein case.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you might have thought of it in the past,

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Speaker 3: is now the primary method by which Democrats are attacking

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and it is illegitimate and it is not

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Speaker 3: based in reality. But they have used anger on the

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Speaker 3: right and some anger on the left, and they are

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Speaker 3: just trying to channel that anger into Trump. And they

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Speaker 3: are using Steel dossier like BS, Russia collusion like BS

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Speaker 3: who did nothing of any criminal nature at all.

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Speaker 1: So that is where we are. You are.

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Speaker 2: That's a very important observation.

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Speaker 1: I agree with.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is going to come from this. I'm always the

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Speaker 2: wampwomp guy here. I told you nothing is going to

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Speaker 2: come to the JFK files. Nothing is going to come

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Speaker 2: of the Epstein files. Let me be clear. That's not

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Speaker 2: the same as saying I don't think that we should

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Speaker 2: have transparency into them. Sure, but if there was something

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Speaker 4: They're not going to release files that say, oh, here's

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Speaker 4: this like super powerful rich guy who's actually an underage

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Speaker 2: Of course, there's nothing in there that they're going to charge.

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Speaker 2: There are things that are unsavory. There are things that

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Speaker 2: are make you think. You know, people have lost jobs

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Speaker 2: and professor ships, and you know there is fallout for sure,

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Speaker 2: but the fallback, the fallout is for being a scumbag,

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Speaker 2: and to be clear, not for criminal behavior. People are

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Speaker 2: suffering consequences now, and you can make of this what

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Speaker 2: you will, but I do think there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: up and everything else. You know, you have to go

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Speaker 2: with the facts, and you have to be clear and

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Speaker 2: precise on this, Clay, to what you're saying. This is

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Speaker 2: the primary way that people who hate you and everything

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Speaker 2: trying to cleave Trump from the base with this is

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Speaker 2: their weapon right now. They go Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, and

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Speaker 2: they say that this as if like Trump is somehow

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Speaker 2: the guy who is implicated. He's, if anything, he's implicated

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Speaker 2: in being the one guy who's like Epstein's a scumbag.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't you guys doing more about this fifteen years ago?

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Speaker 2: And yet Clay, Democrats recognize that this is now a

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Speaker 2: And it also goes to why did Trump not really

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Speaker 2: at some of this and realize, you know what's gonna

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Speaker 2: to suggest that Donald Trump is like the primary Epstein

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Speaker 2: suspect number one, when that's the opposite of what the

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Speaker 2: files actually shows about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think what you said is important. People who are

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Speaker 3: Trump supporters are being used through the Epstein files to

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Speaker 3: are here. And again, the story today is President Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Former President Clinton is testifying. I don't think anything's gonna

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Speaker 3: the Hillary Clinton mess. Was it unseemly yes? Was it

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Speaker 3: criminal in nature? I don't think so. Based on everything

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Speaker 3: The Trump DOJ charged Epstein. I don't know why no

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Speaker 3: that came down against Jeffrey Epstein. They were brought by

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Speaker 3: the Donald Trump Department of Justice in twenty nineteen, when

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Speaker 3: Trump was still in office. Nobody was charging Epstein, nothing

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Speaker 3: after the pleading guilty to the interaction with I think

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Speaker 3: it was like what Alan Dershowitz told us was a

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Speaker 2: So point one soliciting a prostitute was actually the charge

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Speaker 3: Trump's Department of Justice charged Epstein is point one point two.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's Department of Justice had all of these files

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Speaker 3: for four years. Not one Democrat demanded that they release

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Speaker 3: any sort of public investigation surrounding Epstein at all. Again,

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Speaker 3: Trump's DOJ charged Epstein in twenty nineteen, which led to

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Speaker 3: to the FBI, Biden's Department of Justice had these files,

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Speaker 3: kept them private for four years, did nothing with them,

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Speaker 3: I bring both of those things up? Do you think

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Speaker 2: Just add to this, I don't want to stop your flow.

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Speaker 2: They made up crimes to charge him. With on other things.

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Speaker 2: You don't think that they would love to nail him

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Speaker 2: as a sex criminal. They would have killed MAGA as

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Speaker 3: So again, Trump's DOJ charge Epstein. Biden's ZJ had these

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Speaker 3: I think you need to be smart, and I think

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Speaker 3: you need to ask yourself. Wait a minute, why now

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Speaker 3: Because Trump is right, it's being used as a way

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Speaker 3: I just think might make some people uncomfortable, we'll open

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Speaker 3: we are right now. I also think, Buck, we're dealing

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 3: Howard Lutnick, whatever you think about him, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know Howard Lutnick personally, he took his family on a

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Speaker 3: of nefarious underage sex ring when he took his own

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Speaker 2: But also this is why the dishonesty of Democrats about

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Speaker 2: this the Epstein list, when you're really looking at who

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Speaker 2: It is a who's who of Democrats. It's a who's

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Speaker 2: They are running a propaganda up, my friends. This is

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Speaker 2: why you have to get to manufacturing delusion, because I

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what's really in the files. They are

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Speaker 2: going fire hose of falsehood. This is all about Trump

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Speaker 2: and Clay. To your point, this is very important. They

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Speaker 2: are setting Trump's own supporters after him and after his

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Speaker 2: people on this for months now. And you know, we've

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Speaker 2: been fielding a lot of the angry emails and calls too.

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Speaker 2: First of us, if like, where do you guys sit

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Speaker 2: here in T shirts talking about thinking like I have

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Speaker 2: no power to release DOJ files. I'm glad that they've

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Speaker 2: released the files, but I want to point something out now.

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Speaker 2: What's happened is that there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who are are you know, they're being essentially smeared for

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Speaker 2: any association with Epstein whatsoever. I'm talking about a pretty

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Speaker 2: deminimous one. I mean, imagine in the p Didty case,

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Speaker 2: think of all the people P Diddy. P Diddy, what

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Speaker 2: he was doing was disgusting. He's a disgraceful deviant who's

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Speaker 4: And there are a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Who went to his fancy parties. Is everybody who is.

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Speaker 7: Guys waste another day talking about fluff that none of

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Speaker 1: What's that all about? Interesting? So nice? I think he's scared.

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Speaker 2: He's scared to get penced by Clay.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I said Jeffrey Epstein. You know, is dead because

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Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not happening.

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Speaker 3: And I understand people get fired up because there has

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Speaker 3: been frankly a lot of people who've made a lot

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Speaker 3: of money arguing that there's a huge child sex ring

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Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein was leading it and all these famous

440
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Speaker 3: people are involved. Even with all these emails coming out,

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Speaker 3: what has been shown clearly is that Epstein used attractive

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Speaker 3: women to engage age and opportunities to build a network

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Speaker 3: for business for his own benefit. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: any doubt about that. But what has not been shown

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Speaker 3: is that there was some sort of illicit trade going

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Speaker 3: on in underage women. Most of the women mentioned in

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Speaker 3: any relation to Epstein were of age, and if they

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Speaker 3: have evidence of crimes, they have the ability to go

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Speaker 3: forward and make their allegations publicly. They actually they have

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Speaker 3: the obligation. They have the obligation obligation to do so.

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Speaker 3: They have been paid again, hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 3: in settlement money from the Epstein and from banks. People

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Speaker 3: say again, I want to reiterate NDAs do not are

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Speaker 3: not enforceable here. You're not going to see somebody lose

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Speaker 3: whatever money they already got. They have an obligation to

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Speaker 3: speak and tell us who committed crimes against them or

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Speaker 3: who they saw committee crimes, even if they weren't the

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Speaker 3: actual victim, they won't do it. And so again, what

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Speaker 3: is actually going on here. Democrats have recognized that they

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Speaker 3: can attack President Trump over this, and they are going

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Speaker 3: to attack President Trump all the way through the rest

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Speaker 3: of the year because they believe they get political benefit

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Speaker 3: from it. But I'm asking you to just think about it,

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Speaker 3: just rationally. Think about this for a minute. Trump's doj

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Speaker 3: is who charged Jeffrey Epstein in twenty nineteen. Joe Biden's

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice had all of this, all of this information,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't do anything for four years. And now

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Speaker 3: Democrats are trying to attack Trump over the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: Use your brains. It doesn't add up.

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Speaker 2: And also, I would just say the throwing around things

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Speaker 2: like peedo protector or even just calling someone a pedo

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Speaker 2: without any basis whatsoever. It's just the most pathetic and

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Speaker 2: gross attack on a person that you can possibly make.

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Speaker 1: It's the new race. Calling someone ast or racist.

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Speaker 3: Those words have lost their their pop because they've been

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Speaker 3: so overused. Calling random people pedophiles is not a way

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Speaker 3: to actually catch pedophiles, just like calling people racist is

478
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Speaker 3: not a way to actually address racism. And so again

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Speaker 3: I think you have to work through this, President Trump

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Speaker 3: is being attacked by Democrats who are not operating in

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Speaker 3: good faith. Here's what I think, too, Buck, I think

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Speaker 3: Bill and Hillary Clinton being deposed, I think is setting

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Speaker 3: the table. I'm just going to tell you where I

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Speaker 3: think this is going to go. Republicans, I mean sorry,

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Speaker 3: Democrats are going to start arguing we need to have

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Speaker 3: President Trump and Milania under oath talking of course Epstein

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Speaker 3: files two.

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Speaker 1: So, of course, for those of you out there who.

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Speaker 3: Are like, oh, they're going to get Hillary, Oh, they're

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Speaker 3: going to get Bill Clinton, this is going to end it.

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Speaker 3: Actually flip it. If Democrats take back control of the House,

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Speaker 3: they're going to demand that President Trump and Milania testify

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Speaker 3: under oath about Epstein, just like Bill and Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 3: they're already doing They're already doing this. This is this

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Speaker 3: is cut four.

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Speaker 2: This is Rocanna out of California in Congress play four.

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Speaker 9: A new president has been set in America today. Before this,

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Speaker 9: we had the Trump rule, Trump defied as all, if

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Speaker 9: you know a congressional subpoena with the January sixth Committee,

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Speaker 9: He said, presidents don't have to testify. Now we have

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Speaker 9: the Clinton rule, which is the presidents and their families

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Speaker 9: have to testify when Congress issues a subpoena, and that

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Speaker 9: means that Donald Trump needs to come before our committee

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Speaker 9: and explain what he knew about Epstein and explain why

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Speaker 9: we have not had a full release of the documents.

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Speaker 3: This is where it's headed, So expect that as we

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Speaker 3: get closer to the midterms. Now they are going to argue,

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Speaker 3: we've got to have President Trump under oath. Why won't

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Speaker 3: he go under oath? We gotta have Milania under oath?

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Speaker 3: Why will she not go under oath? Again, I think

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Speaker 3: they are playing. Democrats are chess. It has nothing to do,

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Speaker 3: nothing whatsoever to do with the Epstein case at all.

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Speaker 3: It is just Epstein and his and his awfulness being

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Speaker 3: used as a lever to attack President Trump, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of Trump's supporters are playing into this, and I

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Speaker 3: just think you need to understand what's actually going on.

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Speaker 3: Do you really believe Do you really believe that Democrats,

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Speaker 3: who didn't say a word for four years when Biden

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Speaker 3: was in office, are really desperately concerned about justice relating

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Speaker 3: to Epstein in any way? Of course not, they are,

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Speaker 3: just they see it as an opportunity to attack President

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Speaker 3: Trump and try to keep him from being able to

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Speaker 3: have uh success going to the president.

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Speaker 1: I think we said.

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Speaker 2: We could, we can talk, we will Trump just spoke.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to some of those soundbites here in a second.

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Speaker 2: Well we'll here, let's bring this up right into the

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Speaker 2: news cycle and then we can leave the kind of

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Speaker 2: Epstein conspiracy theorizing and ugh, it's just honestly, it's just

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Speaker 2: exhausting at this point, I don't know what else to

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Speaker 2: say about it. There's it, you know, we sit here,

532
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Speaker 2: there's there's a big portion of MAGA that wants to

533
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Speaker 2: talk about this and only this, and if you don't

534
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Speaker 2: talk about this, you're covering up for pedophiles. And then

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of other people who are like,

536
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to live my life here, and

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Speaker 2: there's other things going on, and none of this is

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Speaker 2: going to amount to anything anyway of any meaning in

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Speaker 2: terms of this document release. So that that's this is

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Speaker 2: what we're stuck in the middle of. And too many

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Speaker 2: Republican politicians play are scared of their own voters to

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Speaker 2: just tell them this is the deal, guys, this is

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Speaker 2: where it is now. Okay, They're just they just don't

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Speaker 2: want to deal with the heat. Yeah, they're afraid of

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Speaker 2: the heat. Is this ally is this Bill? Is this

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Speaker 2: Trump talking about Bill Clinton right now? Is that cut

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Speaker 2: twenty six or is this a different cut? Here is

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Speaker 2: Trump just now there's a little bit of audio issue

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Speaker 2: in the background because he's about to get on a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: But here is President Trump talking about Bill Clinton under

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Speaker 2: the deposition cut twenty six.

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Speaker 5: I don't like seeing him.

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Speaker 10: They certainly went after me, not more than that. I don't.

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Speaker 3: So Trump saying, if you couldn't hear that, I don't

555
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Speaker 3: like seeing him deposed, but they certainly went after me

556
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Speaker 3: a lot more than that. Why do you think President

557
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Speaker 3: Trump doesn't President Trump's smart enough to see this. He

558
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Speaker 3: knows that Bill and Hillary Clinton. That Democrats the reason

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Speaker 3: why they voted to allow Bill and Hillary Clinton to

560
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Speaker 3: be opposed is they don't have anything to lose. What

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Speaker 3: do they care about Bill and Hillary Clinton?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: They want to set the president that Now President Trump

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Speaker 3: and Milania have to go under oath and be deposed.

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Speaker 3: How do you think MSNBC is going to cover that?

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Speaker 3: How do you think it's going to be covered by CNN? Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you exactly where this is going. It's

568
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Speaker 3: not going to a place where people are getting prosecuted.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be political one from here on out

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Speaker 3: to THEE.

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Speaker 2: I also would need an explanation, Clay, and I do,

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Speaker 2: I really do want to move past this, So I

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Speaker 2: promise you for any of you who are as exasperated

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Speaker 2: and frustrated this as I am. Remember, Republicans are making

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Speaker 2: us talk about this insofar as they've got a you know,

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Speaker 2: a former First Lady and Secretary of State and almost

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Speaker 2: president sorry Hillary almost president. And they got Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: as well, now two term president. This is what they're

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Speaker 2: being this is what Congress is spending time doing. So

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Speaker 2: that's why we're on it. But I just want to

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Speaker 2: know the people that are so frustrated with this. So somehow,

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Speaker 2: there are those out there who think that Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is a great American hero, a patriot, a guy who

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Speaker 2: took a bullet for his country, a guy who's trying

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Speaker 2: to save the country, a man who has been able

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Speaker 2: to defeat tremendous evil of the deep state, go down

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Speaker 2: the list, all this stuff. But he's covering up for Petos.

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Speaker 2: That's a moronic position to hold. Okay, you cannot believe

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Speaker 2: those two things simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: You cannot believe it.

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Speaker 2: Somebody is awesome, but does this one horrible thing that

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Speaker 2: would undermine everything else about them? That's just not a thing.

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Speaker 2: So keep that in mind as we're going through this

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Speaker 2: stuff and people are saying, well, Trump is still what

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Speaker 3: Or you know, I mean, come on, it's crazy, but

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Speaker 3: that is where we are, and I do think you're right. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: Buck that a lot of Republicans in office and a

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Speaker 1: Okay, was it.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, Buck that I said we should just go take

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Speaker 3: the southern shore of the United States. Well, President Trump,

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Speaker 5: See, Cuban government is talking with us.

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Speaker 10: They're in a big kill of proper as you know,

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Speaker 10: but they're doing with us, and maybe we'll have.

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Speaker 5: A friendley takeover a few.

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Speaker 10: We could very well end up having a friendly takeover

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Speaker 10: of Cuba one hundred.

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Speaker 5: After many, many years. We've had a lot of years

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Speaker 5: of dealing with you. I've been hearing about Cuba. Sis.

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Speaker 5: I'm a little boy, but they're in big trouble.

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Speaker 10: And we could very well something good.

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Speaker 5: I think very positive.

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Speaker 10: For the people that were expelled or worse from Cuba

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Speaker 10: that live here. You know, we have people living here

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Speaker 10: that want to go back to Cuba and they're very

658
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Speaker 10: happy with what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So there is buck And you're in South Florida, so

660
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Speaker 3: you understand the Cuban xpac community better than most. And

661
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Speaker 3: I know we have a huge listenership in the Cuban community.

662
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: And by the way, this could be Marco Rubio basically

663
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Speaker 3: fulfilling the dream of pretty much every young kid raised

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Speaker 3: in Cuba whose parents and grandparents had a had a

665
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Speaker 3: life in Cuba before there is a Supreme Court case.

666
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Speaker 3: The timing on this is very interesting. There is a

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court case pending right now that has to do

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Speaker 3: with US assets that were seized by the Cuban government

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Speaker 3: when the Communist revolution began. Reports are and I know

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Speaker 3: a lot of people probably have not spent much time

671
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Speaker 3: on this, that in nineteen fifty nine, ninety percent of

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Speaker 3: Cuban business assets were owned by US related entities. So

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Speaker 3: there is an argument, and we'll see what the Supreme

674
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Speaker 3: Court says about this, that the biggest victims a from

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Speaker 3: a business perspective, we're all US based corporations, and that

676
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Speaker 3: we should allow US corporations to go back into Cuba,

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Speaker 3: get their assets back and try to allow capitalism to

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Speaker 3: exist in the country. And I would be in favor

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Speaker 3: of that. It would end the danger of China or

680
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Speaker 3: Russia or North Korea or whoever, Iran, who whatever foreign

681
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: interest bear ill designed to the United States from them

682
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Speaker 3: being able to have close proximity to the United States.

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: It would tie in with the so called Donro doctrine,

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Speaker 3: which is really just a modification and extension of the

685
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Speaker 3: Monroe doctrine that the United States controls this hemisphere. I

686
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Speaker 3: just think it's a no brainer. What's your take on this.

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Speaker 3: There's about eight and a half million people who live

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Speaker 3: in Cuba, millions. What do you think, what's the Cuban

689
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: population of the United States, Cuban born or Cuban descent,

690
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: five to six million, probably at least, I would.

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Speaker 2: Think, Clay, you look at these beaches, unspoiled, beautiful. The

692
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Speaker 2: real estate, I'm telling you could be amazing. We get

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Speaker 2: Trump Havana, big gold, beautiful building right outside Havana on

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Speaker 2: the beach, going to be a whole new world for Cuba.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna love it. Some people are saying they're gonna

696
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, of course this would be great. And uh,

697
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, the arguments against this are rather

698
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: the arguments against a future of liberty and and you know,

699
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: decency and government for the Cuban people are effectively pathetic.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the left in this country always has a

701
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: weird it's not unknowable, or rather we understand why, but

702
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: always has this bizarre sympathy for far left regimes, no

703
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: matter how oppressive and no matter how failed, because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that in the ethos, at least

705
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Speaker 2: of the Cuban communist regime, appeals to leftists in America.

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Speaker 1: That's just the truth.

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Speaker 2: So in fact, some of the you know, there have

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Speaker 2: been really aggressive efforts by you know, by the Cuban

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Speaker 2: government even to try to run you know, information operations

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Speaker 2: and things in this country too. So look, I think

711
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Speaker 2: that if we can do this, if we can do

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00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: this with pressure and smart maneuvering and not and a

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Speaker 2: marine expeditionary force landing on the beach is great. And

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Speaker 2: I think Trump and Rubio know that's that's a bit

715
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Speaker 2: of a red line, and especially because we're gonna talking

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Speaker 2: about whether we're going to go to war, and people,

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Speaker 2: by the way, say go to war. The around it

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Speaker 2: would probably be more air strikes, and we were doing

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Speaker 2: air strikes.

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Speaker 1: We had a no fly zone.

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Speaker 2: In Iraq for years and years in between wars there

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Speaker 2: where we would you know, blow a plane out of

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Speaker 2: the sky or do things here and there. So the

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Speaker 2: difference between strikes and war is meaningful, despite people who

725
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, we're gonna go to war.

726
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: It's not that simple in Iran. But with Cuba, we

727
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Speaker 2: got to see what happens with Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: Two.

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Speaker 2: We haven't heard a lot about where that stands now

730
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Speaker 2: from the Trump administration. These things do take some time.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, of course Cuba, it should be a great country.

732
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Speaker 2: It should be a real asset in the Caribbean to

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Speaker 2: the whole hemisphere instead of this totalitarian dictat readership and

734
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Speaker 2: economic backwater and basket case, which is what it is.

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Speaker 2: And they've, like I like to say, did run the

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Speaker 2: experiment and it has failed. The people that are in

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Speaker 2: charge in Cuba are incompetent, corrupt thugs, and there's no

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Speaker 2: reason that they're be in charge other than they have

739
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Speaker 2: the guns. So let's see if that can change.

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Speaker 3: I also think this is the it's been under discussed

741
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Speaker 3: that maybe the biggest impact immediately of Venezuela was cutting

742
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Speaker 3: off the supply of oil to Cuba and creating an

743
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Speaker 3: opportunity to have quote unquote a friendly takeover in Cuba

744
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Speaker 3: more so than in Venezuela. Let me also say Buck

745
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Speaker 3: I think this is important because you're now seeing the

746
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Speaker 3: same arguments that were made before we struck a run,

747
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Speaker 3: and those arguments are, Oh, my goodness, we'll go to

748
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Speaker 3: your point. We're going to be going to war. The

749
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Speaker 3: danger is going to be a huge paramount all of

750
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Speaker 3: these different things. Why didn't that happened when we took

751
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Speaker 3: out Iran in the so called was it twelve day

752
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: war before Iran? Iran has no ability to actually push

753
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: back in any kind of significant way, and if they had,

754
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: they would have done that back in the time of

755
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Speaker 3: the first attack June of last year. The challenge with Iran,

756
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Speaker 3: as I see it, is who takes over, because I

757
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: do think if we really let Iran have it, the

758
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Speaker 3: Ayatola's ability to maintain control in Iran is significantly curtailed.

759
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Speaker 3: And we're going to talk, by the way, with Deborah

760
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Speaker 3: Lee about Iran at the top of the next hour

761
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Speaker 3: and see what she thinks on the timings and everything

762
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Speaker 3: else associated with it.

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Speaker 1: And you were in Iraq.

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Speaker 3: Buck and the challenge I think that is there is

765
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Speaker 3: when you wipe out a whole cadre of leadership.

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Speaker 1: You end up with a void.

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Speaker 3: And in that void, it's a real time of uncertainty

768
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Speaker 3: as to who is going to rise to power, And

769
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Speaker 3: so I'm less concerned with the strike on Iran and

770
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Speaker 3: more concerned with the implications the ripple effect that spreads

771
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Speaker 3: out from the attack on Iran, and so what happens

772
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Speaker 3: if we end up in this sort of power vacuum

773
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Speaker 3: style situation.

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Speaker 4: All very true, All very true.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what the situation is as it plays

776
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Speaker 2: out in Cuba. And we haven't really gotten much more

777
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Speaker 2: on that boat that got shot up.

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Speaker 1: Super weird story.

779
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Speaker 3: Yes, twenty four foot vote with it somehow got a

780
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Speaker 3: bunch of Americans on it, got.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Cuban government is saying that it was

782
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Speaker 2: meant to be a They're calling it a terrorist incursion.

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Speaker 2: So essentially their claim is that that was some sort

784
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Speaker 2: of covert operation insertion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my response to that would be, in general, do

786
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Speaker 3: we feel like the cue Uban government is in any

787
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Speaker 3: way competent enough to stop us from a covert drop

788
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: into Cuba if we wanted people? And would they come

789
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Speaker 3: on a twenty four foot boat from the Florida.

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Speaker 2: Keys And what are ten people going to do on

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00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: a speedboat? I mean, it's or whatever it is fifteen

792
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: something like that. How is that going to work?

793
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Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Thanks for palling and

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Speaker 2: thanks for writing in. And we have a turn hour

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Speaker 2: play in book kicks off right now. And Deborah Leah

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Speaker 2: is with us now. She is a political commentator. You

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Speaker 2: see her on Fox. It's here all over the place

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Speaker 2: these days. She was actually just over in Israel. Can

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Speaker 2: tell us a bit about that experience. But we're gonna

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Speaker 2: look Deborah ahead a bit with you as well into

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Speaker 2: this weekend the looming deadline. Iran, tell us what you know,

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Speaker 2: what you see coming, and how concerned should people be

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Speaker 2: about all this?

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Speaker 12: I would just like to state on the record I

834
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Speaker 12: am not Massad.

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Speaker 13: Before anybody makes any accusations for the information about to

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Speaker 13: put forward.

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Speaker 12: But it's great to join you guys.

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Speaker 13: And yeah, this has been something that in Israel every

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Speaker 13: single weekend they've been preparing. I was there for about

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Speaker 13: two and a half weeks in the end of January

841
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Speaker 13: till February, and at that point we really thought it

842
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Speaker 13: was going to happen.

843
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Speaker 12: It cooled off, and now the time has come.

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Speaker 13: They have a back cuated non emergency personnel from the

845
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Speaker 13: embassy in Jerusalem. And the last time that President Trump

846
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Speaker 13: did this earlier in June, it was exactly seven days

847
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Speaker 13: later that the US joined the fight to strike Iran's

848
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Speaker 13: nuclear facilities. And so I think that this is going

849
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Speaker 13: to be no different we've seen. This is a very

850
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Speaker 13: interesting international politics moment for the world, and I think

851
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Speaker 13: it's going to change international politics going forward if President

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Speaker 13: Trump doesn't act, and he has been threatened, the members

853
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Speaker 13: of Parliament have threatened to send him in a casket

854
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Speaker 13: and celebrate him being in a casket. And so more

855
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 13: than just nuclear weapons or nuclear facilities, this is really

856
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Speaker 13: in terms of American sovereignty. Will we allow these Islamic

857
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Speaker 13: countries to threaten the president and not do anything in return.

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Speaker 13: I personally don't think that we can allow that to continue,

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Speaker 13: and I think that President Trump is on the same

860
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Speaker 13: mindset here. And so the deadline ends on Monday, and

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Speaker 13: I do think that we will indefinitely or definitely see

862
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Speaker 13: a strike before them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Deborah, thanks for coming on. Where does this lead?

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Speaker 3: Buck and I were talking about in the last hour.

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Speaker 3: One of the big challenges is how extensive are the attacks?

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Speaker 3: How much do they actually target Iran's rulers to what extent?

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Speaker 3: Is the debate now about the potential power vacuum, who

868
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Speaker 3: would take over, what could happen? Where does this go?

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Speaker 3: What is the goal beyond potentially ending the nuclear ambition

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Speaker 3: of Iran? Does it extend into regime change?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, This has been something that all of us have

873
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Speaker 13: been wondering, and I think this is definitely the reason

874
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 13: that the strikes have been delayed. We heard weeks ago

875
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 13: Trump said help was on the way, and then obviously

876
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 13: we went into negotiations. And the problem that exists for

877
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 13: President Trump and international politics at large is that you

878
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 13: cannot bomb your way through regime change.

879
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 12: We've seen this time and time again.

880
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 13: America is kind of notorious for failed regime change, and

881
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 13: so when it comes to Ran after forty seven years

882
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 13: of oppression, it's very unlikely that there's the highest level

883
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 13: of individuals needed to actually overthrow the government. There's over

884
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 13: eight hundred thousand Iranians where part of the Islamic regime

885
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 13: who just live among civilians. So looking forward, but we

886
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 13: think is the most likely outcome, or what I think

887
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 13: is most likely outcome is pressure. I don't think that

888
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 13: Trump is going to take out the Ayatola, and if

889
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 13: he did, there are four people for every single leader

890
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 13: of the Islamic regime, there are four people waiting to

891
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 13: take their place that Kameni has already lined up. So

892
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 13: what I think is a likely outcome here is not

893
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 13: a good one for America, for Israel, for anyone. I

894
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 13: don't think that this is going to be a quick

895
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 13: one strike and re'dund situation. I think that this would

896
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 13: go on longer than the war in the summertime, and

897
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 13: I don't think regime change is possible at this point

898
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 13: in time. So as an American, as a strong crowd Jew,

899
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 13: I hope Trump's President Trump's strikes to send a message.

900
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 13: But with these strikes, I don't see any evidence that

901
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 13: the Iranian people themselves are capable of overthrown the regime.

902
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: What about the strikes? What message do you think they

903
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: would likely send other than I'm willing to blow up

904
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: your stuff if you don't do what I want. It

905
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: seems to me the problem on the nuclear program is

906
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no agreement that we give them

907
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: where we don't rely on some degree of trust which

908
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: we can't have in them, and therefore they won't agree

909
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: because if they prove that they do what we want,

910
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: then we actually get what we want. Does that make sense?

911
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying? Like, we keep coming

912
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: back to this place of Iran needs to agree to

913
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: a deal where we can be sure they're not doing

914
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: the nuclear thing, and we go through this, and we

915
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: go through this, and then it's, yeah, they're not going

916
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: to agree to that. I feel like they're still not

917
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: going to agree to it even if we hit them.

918
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 13: Oh, you're absolutely right, And many has said himself that

919
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 13: that will never happen, and Iran giving up their nuclear

920
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 13: facilities is worse than them losing a war internally, And

921
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 13: so that's been as an American the Catch twenty two

922
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 13: that I've been watching and kind of a little bit

923
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 13: upset about in a way that I grew up in

924
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 13: the mindset of we don't negotiate with terrorists, and so

925
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 13: entering negotiation to begin with. I do not know what

926
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 13: the Trump administration was thinking the outcome would be, because

927
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 13: they're not going to change their mind. But when it

928
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 13: comes to strikes, Trump has really just been forced into

929
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 13: a corner now where if he doesn't strike, it will

930
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 13: send a message to the rest of the world, the

931
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 13: non Western world, that they.

932
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 12: Can do whatever they want.

933
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 13: They can threatn in America, they can kill their citizens,

934
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 13: and the Western world will not do anything about it.

935
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 13: But again, President Trump's striking is really not going to

936
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 13: beget regime change, and it's not going to change the

937
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 13: outcome with the nuclear facilities, They've moved them underground.

938
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 12: And so I hate to say it.

939
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 13: I wish there was a better answer, but there is

940
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 13: no good answer to this conflict.

941
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 12: And I think that we need to put.

942
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 13: A little bit more not pressure, but a little bit

943
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 13: more spotlight on the Iranian people themselves. There is no

944
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 13: other As much as I have deep, deep sympathy and

945
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 13: I want them to be free, I can't think of

946
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 13: any other conflict in the history of the world, where

947
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 13: the people who have the responsibility have none. The Iranian people,

948
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 13: we've kind of taken them out of the equation here.

949
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 13: How would they play an effect into this? We have Israel,

950
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 13: we have America waiting on standby, but I would like

951
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 13: to see more efforts or at least more communication from

952
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 13: the Iranian people about what boots on the ground support

953
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 13: America or Israel will have if deciding to strike them.

954
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: We're talking to Deborah Lea about the situation in Iran, Okay,

955
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: So if there's not going to be a change in

956
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: leadership in Iran, we're not going to effectively decapitate the

957
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: current theocracy, then isn't this just more of kicking the

958
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: can down the road? To Buck's point, we know we

959
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: can't trust Iran, and at some point there probably will

960
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: be another Democrat administration in office like Obama that they

961
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: can take advantage of, make a lot of claims to

962
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: lie and just kind of recreate this situation time after time.

963
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: So that's point one point two on this. Is there

964
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: any to your knowledge or ability to kind of divine

965
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: what is Saudi Arabia?

966
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: What a Qatar?

967
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 3: What do the other Muslim countries want to have happened

968
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: to Iran because it seems to me that they actually

969
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: like them having an incompetent government because in some way

970
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 3: it elevates their own government without having to worry about

971
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: a competent government to compete with in the region.

972
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 13: Great points, and that's essentially what I was going to say.

973
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 13: This is the most likely outcome, and the best outcome

974
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 13: would be kicking the can down the road. If the

975
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 13: Trump administration launches some level of strikes that we've seen.

976
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 13: We have the highest amount of defense weaponry in the region, ships,

977
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 13: everything is based in Israel, waters around the region. The

978
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 13: most likely outcome is kicking the can down the road,

979
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 13: striking a few facilities and scaring the regime into agreeing, okay,

980
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 13: for the next five years, we won't build nuclear sites

981
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 13: or we won't enricheranium, which we know we can't trust them.

982
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 13: So that would be a win on the face of

983
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 13: it for the Trump administration. Look at us, We did

984
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 13: what we were going to say, what we do. Is

985
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 13: it an overall win for international politics? Most likely not.

986
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 13: And in terms of geopolitics in the region, we actually

987
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 13: saw I was trying to verify it because there's a

988
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 13: lot of misinformation around this. But the airbase in Doha,

989
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 13: one of America's largest airbases in the Middle East, is

990
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 13: doesn't have any active fighter pilots or fighter jets waiting

991
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 13: there right now. They've been moved to an air base

992
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 13: inside of Israel. And so that is very interesting to

993
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 13: see that we've had these far right, old right commentators

994
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 13: saying guitar is our best friend, but when push comes

995
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 13: to shove in the region, does not seem that they

996
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 13: will help us fight a nuclear Iran. And a lot

997
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 13: of these Saudi Arabia guitar they like playing the middleman.

998
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 13: They like being able to fund Iran fun world terror.

999
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 13: But then also if America calls, hey, America, we would

1000
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 13: love to sell you some weapons, or we would love

1001
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 13: to have your investments in our country.

1002
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 12: And so they're waiting.

1003
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 13: They don't want to choose a side because they want

1004
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 13: to choose whoever wins. And that's the difference between us

1005
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 13: and the Islamic world is that we believe in freedom

1006
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 13: and goodness regardless of the outcome. We don't wait to

1007
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 13: see who the victor is to choose them. We choose

1008
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 13: good and God values as victory.

1009
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Every single time being to Deborah Leah here, Deborah, so

1010
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: then is it is it fair to say that at

1011
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: your estimation, I'm just trying to see, based on what

1012
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: you're saying, how you're viewing this issue, that the best

1013
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: option for the Trump administration is limited strikes and then

1014
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: essentially status quo, or is there something that needs to

1015
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 2: be done that hasn't yet been done.

1016
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 13: I wish that there was a better answer here, and

1017
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 13: I love President Trump and I love his administration, but

1018
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 13: given the circumstances and given how long he's waited now

1019
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 13: to retaliate, It's been weeks, almost over a month and

1020
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 13: a half since the original regime was killing protesters, and

1021
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 13: so given the timing, the most like the really only

1022
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 13: probable and good outcome that the Trump administration can guarantee

1023
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 13: right now is some sort of strong limited strikes within

1024
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 13: a couple hours, have our pilots out of the airspace

1025
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 13: by the time that it reaches the public, and scare

1026
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 13: the Iranian regime into at least negotiating more. But there

1027
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 13: really is no good outcome where we were able to

1028
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 13: finish this and have a true win that the Trump

1029
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 13: administration can bring home for the region and America and Americans.

1030
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 13: I think I speak for a lot of us now

1031
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 13: that we are not interested in another forever war.

1032
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 12: And President Trump knows this.

1033
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 13: With the midterms coming up, that beginning of war that

1034
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 13: will not be over like the twelve day war with

1035
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 13: Iran in June, will do very, very badly in this

1036
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 13: country in terms of American public perception. And his approval

1037
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 13: rating is already a little bit lower than normal right now.

1038
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 13: So we know Trump loves to be loved, and doing

1039
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 13: anything in the region that won't bring home something he

1040
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 13: can brag about, I don't think he's interested in that.

1041
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 12: So to sum it up.

1042
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 13: Nicely, I have a really good feeling that strikes are

1043
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 13: going to happen Sunday night. I don't think that they're

1044
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 13: going to kill the regime. They're not going to take

1045
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 13: out Comeeny. And something that Buck and I actually spoke

1046
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 13: about earlier this week is that a big challenge for

1047
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 13: America has been the limited communications with the Iranian regime.

1048
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 13: They have one point of contact, and if that point

1049
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 13: of contact falls off, they're pretty much in the dark.

1050
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 13: And that's a really difficult situation given the lack of

1051
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 13: other allies around Iran. So they're playing it lightly, and

1052
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 13: there is no real win that Trump can bring home

1053
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 13: outside of limited talks and then some sort of short

1054
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 13: term agreement. Let's pick this up come December next year

1055
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 13: and see where we're at.

1056
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: Last question, Deborah, we appreciate the time. Last time in June,

1057
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: as you referenced the Twelve Day War, we heard a

1058
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: lot about, Oh, there's going to be significant American casualties,

1059
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: or Iran is going to fire back, and we're going

1060
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: to see World War three. Iran didn't do basically anything

1061
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: and did not appear to have much ability to do anything.

1062
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: Do we have any sense for whether they have better

1063
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: or worse capabilities? I would actually presume worse. In other words,

1064
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: is there anything Americans or even Israel should really faire

1065
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: from a fear from Iran?

1066
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: At this point, we should not.

1067
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 13: Be afraid of Iran, but we should be cautious about

1068
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 13: China and Russia, who have been selling weapons in certain

1069
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 13: defense missiles to Iran over the last couple of weeks

1070
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 13: and months. It's unclear because they don't want us to

1071
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 13: know if they've reached Iran. How many anti missiles offense

1072
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 13: systems that they have gained now from China and Russia.

1073
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 13: But that is something to absolutely keep an eye on

1074
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 13: in the region. And that's something that's not new to us.

1075
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 13: You know, all of our enemies joined together when it

1076
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 13: comes to attacking America. But Iran alone does not have

1077
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 13: the power. They don't have the capabilities to hurt America.

1078
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 13: The best that they can do is shoot some rockets

1079
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 13: at Israel. But America has the Iron Dome protecting Israel.

1080
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 13: Israel has the idea of protecting their own borders, and

1081
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 13: so Americans the only thing we should fear is the

1082
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 13: Iranian regime sending over sleeper cells into our country. But

1083
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 13: thankfully we have a closed border now and so we

1084
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 13: really should not fear Iran.

1085
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 12: They can't touch us.

1086
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: Thank you for the time, Deborah Leah, for people out

1087
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: there who are interested in following you along during this

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Speaker 3: Iranian latest Inmbrolio. You said Sunday night you think the

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Speaker 3: attack might come? Where can they find?

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Speaker 7: You?

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Speaker 13: Find me on Twitter, on Instagram, TikTok every now and then,

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Speaker 13: the Debra Lea and everything, And it was great to

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Speaker 13: join you guys.

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Speaker 12: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: You we come back. We'll take some loaded lines. Still

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Speaker 3: a lot of people wanting to weigh in on open

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Speaker 3: Line Friday, a lot of talkbacks. We will dive into

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Speaker 3: all of that, but we want you to know we

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Speaker 3: have now entered the twenty fifth anniversary year of nine

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Speaker 3: to eleven. It's kind of crazy to think that it

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Speaker 3: has been twenty five years since nine to eleven, but

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Speaker 3: remember yesterday marked the thirty third year since the First

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Speaker 3: World Center terror attack. Six people died, including a pregnant

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Speaker 3: woman Monica Rodriguez Smith. Scores more injured when a van

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Speaker 3: exploded in the parking garage. It was such a massive blast,

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Speaker 3: carved out nearly one hundred foot crater several stories deep.

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Speaker 3: People forget about it because of the one that followed

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Speaker 3: eight years later, but it's sobering to consider why this

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Speaker 3: location has been such a target for so long. Only

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Speaker 3: fourteen states teach the history of nine to eleven, and

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Speaker 3: our sponsor, Tunnel to the Towers is dedicated to making

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Speaker 3: sure our kids never forget through the Tunnel to Towers

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Speaker 3: Institute in their nine eleven curriculum. These are educational resources

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Speaker 3: based on first person accounts for grades K through twelve.

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Speaker 3: The Tunnel to Towers Mobile Exhibit is a teaching resource

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Speaker 3: high tech eighty three foot tractor trailer which transforms into

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Speaker 3: a museum on wheels around the nation, from the Black

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Speaker 3: Hills of South Dakota to the Tennessee State Fairgrounds. It

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Speaker 3: is a big difference maker and the exhibits travel to

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Speaker 3: nearly fifty states in Canada and educated over a million

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Speaker 3: people to date. In order to never forget, we need

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Speaker 3: to educate. You can help in those efforts by joining

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Speaker 3: Buck and me in donating eleven dollars a month to

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Speaker 3: tunnel the towers at T two t dot org. That's

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Speaker 6: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do

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Speaker 6: a lot of it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay

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Speaker 6: and Buck as they laugh it up in the Klayan

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Speaker 6: Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you

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Speaker 6: get your podcasts.