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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George

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Speaker 1: Nori with you along with doctor Jeffrey Simmons, as we

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Speaker 1: talk about one of his latest works, Are We Here

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Speaker 1: to Recreate Ourselves? You've written so many books, Jeffrey, I

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Speaker 1: can't keep track of with it. What is the latest?

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Speaker 1: Is it this one? Yeah, it is this one. I'm

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Speaker 1: working on something, but it will be a couple of

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Speaker 1: years probably in doing Yeah, this is a nagging kind

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Speaker 1: of pattern that I kept seeing and thinking about when

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Speaker 1: I was writing the other two, and I began to

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Speaker 1: wonder if we haven't you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons or purposes to life, and depending on who you

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Speaker 1: are and what your religious outlook is or a variety

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Speaker 1: of other issues, what's the purpose of life? And of

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Speaker 1: course in there is glorify Gods, serve God, teach God,

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Speaker 1: our sister Teresa, help the poor, or help the lame,

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Speaker 1: or or help the ill, or you know, to make

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Speaker 1: money or if your family oriented, you know, to raise

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Speaker 1: a family. There's a lot of purposes and maybe all

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Speaker 1: of them or you can mix and match. But is

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Speaker 1: it possible that one of the purposes is to recreate ourselves.

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Speaker 1: And if one starts looking at this, this pattern to

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Speaker 1: me jumps off the page and I had to put

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Speaker 1: it down, and it's putting it down turns into a book.

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Speaker 1: And for instance, UM take um uh say, cave drawings

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Speaker 1: and move that through history to UM paintings and to

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Speaker 1: into humanoids. There's one pattern. But if you also take

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Speaker 1: uh say, lightning, striking sand and making glass and then

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Speaker 1: picking up glass that magnifies things, and then making glasses

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Speaker 1: and making binoculars and making telescopes and making video and

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Speaker 1: uh and and making cameras, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: you have robotic eyes. So we were another aspect of

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Speaker 1: recreating ourselves. Uh, we've we're making h animals that not animals,

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Speaker 1: but robots that walk a variety of legs and arms

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Speaker 1: and that sort. But we've come around to pretty much

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Speaker 1: making one with arms, two arms, and two legs, and

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Speaker 1: that seems to be a good good pattern to follow. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're making it. Take hearing, I mean it used to

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Speaker 1: and now the cochlear plan, you know, and so we

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Speaker 1: have robotic hearing, we have robotic vision, and now they

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Speaker 1: want to put chips in our brains. They do and

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Speaker 1: uh and and the computer is uh sort of the

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Speaker 1: apicus uh from the Cabbage Babbage computer and the sliding rule.

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Speaker 1: And we went to a computer and we're going to

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Speaker 1: have a robot with a brain. And so we're making

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Speaker 1: everything like a person in very much the same way,

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Speaker 1: and it's looking more and more like a person. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they have humanoids greeting people shoppers in Japan to speak

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Speaker 1: twenty seven languages and they look and kind of talk

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Speaker 1: like people. China has robots who actually give the news

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Speaker 1: or robotic type of secret. Those are called humans that

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Speaker 1: they have. British played with their brains. Yeah, that could be.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. The Communist Party today did something wonderful. Well,

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Speaker 1: it could be if you look at these patterns. And

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Speaker 1: my book is three hundred pages worth of these patterns.

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Speaker 1: That and and mimicking things, and it talks about other

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Speaker 1: things along the way, and then talks about intelligent design.

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Speaker 1: But why are we doing this it's not just what

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Speaker 1: we're doing it, but why are we doing this? And

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Speaker 1: one might say this is well, whoever first of all

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Speaker 1: warfare and whoever controls the planet, and warfare is one

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Speaker 1: of them, and robots surely is where we are going

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Speaker 1: to fight with. Whoever controls space probably controls Earth. And

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Speaker 1: building for us. Would we be the gods to the robots? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's a good question, and we could

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Speaker 1: five years to see if it works. Who on Earth

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Speaker 1: go back one hundred years, they didn't think about flying machines,

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Speaker 1: and now you know we're doing more than that. But

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Speaker 1: given our technology, people can't make it. So we're going

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Speaker 1: not only that, but do we want is a picture

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Speaker 1: worth a thousand words? Suppose we run into an extraterrestrial

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Speaker 1: Do we want them to think that we look like,

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Speaker 1: you know, caterpillars or millipeds with a thousand legs or

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Speaker 1: we want them to know, you know, kind of what

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Speaker 1: we look like and will they look like us? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they have them look like us. But also warfare, drudgery,

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Speaker 1: They have to look like people. The police that we

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Speaker 1: don't look like people yet, but they probably will, and

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Speaker 1: so it's coming, and so we're designing every robots to

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Speaker 1: look like us. I think it's so pathetically obvious that

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Speaker 1: I had to write a book about it. And whoever

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Speaker 1: succeeds in this will be probably the most successful civilization

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Speaker 1: and controller of everybody else on Earth. Look what we've

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Speaker 1: done though with just medicine, and you as a doctor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's Dick Cheney running around with a new heart.

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Speaker 1: Has kept him alive. He should have been dead a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. Medicine, modern medicine continues to do amazing

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Speaker 1: because we have people now with artificial pancreases, We have

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Speaker 1: value culture, we have people with you know, you've ever

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Speaker 1: seen the series, the Star Trek series with the borgs. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're having people to go down that line. And if

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Speaker 1: come a long way. If you know you and I

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Speaker 1: might remember I certainly do the six million dollars mans

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Speaker 1: Lee Majors. And he had an eye that could see

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Speaker 1: But so we are making people into borgs, and we're

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Speaker 1: making robots into people. Let's get back to God, you know,

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Speaker 1: I yeah, do we find him? Ever? Well, I don't think,

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Speaker 1: Especially the blueprints. I mean, I just can't fathom they

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Speaker 1: teaching doctor Simmons about evolution and creationism? Yeah, I'm fairly

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Speaker 1: And most of public schools are not teaching creation they can't,

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Speaker 1: of the fellows that Discovery Institute feel this should be

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Speaker 1: taught as an option that kids should hear the other side,

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Speaker 1: they should hear what are the problems would Darwin's theories

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Speaker 1: but college thinking Darron was right, and everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: So it must be right. And I lived that dream too.

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