WEBVTT - Well, Actually....... (feat. Mikelle Street)

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<v Speaker 1>And those people bring back double collar polos. Nowhere to God,

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<v Speaker 1>She's sheen. I'm me no ma, no my name Yo?

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<v Speaker 2>What is your childng Da?

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<v Speaker 1>I am a cook, choky?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going down the floor?

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<v Speaker 3>Like round?

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to like a vision the show where we give

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose DomU and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>Fran Toronto. And Fran, you are serving Carlina lagerfeldt and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm serving the fat person in sweatpants she wants dead.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what, I love that about us.

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<v Speaker 3>We the virgins have to know that that is a

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<v Speaker 3>joke at the expense of Carl Lagerfeld. And we will

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<v Speaker 3>continue to make those because.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope he's rotting and.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he's rotting in now. That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing about this met gala and and what

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna, you know, chit chat quickly about is that,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like, overwhelmingly, at least on our timelines,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not everyone else's timelines, the discourse was around like

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<v Speaker 3>Carl Lagerfeld being like a fat, phobic, racist, like mean person,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, Diva, that's everybody at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of every industry, running every industry, Like that's what this

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<v Speaker 3>all runs on.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Wow, I am loving this from you because you

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<v Speaker 4>are usually I'm giving you will you are you are?

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<v Speaker 4>You are me today you're cosplaying. Not only is Karlina

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<v Speaker 4>lagerfel roseam you. I love that you are anti discourse

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<v Speaker 4>today because yeah, I agree. It's like saying someone in

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<v Speaker 4>the fashion industry bucks is like maybe the most boring

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<v Speaker 4>thing you can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think throughout that while we were watching last night,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I I was at times frustrated about how

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<v Speaker 3>the people that I was seeing talk about Carl are

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<v Speaker 3>people that like aren't in fashion. Sorry, Like and if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know anything about fashion and you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>Carl's influence on fashion, like you don't really know how

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about it, Like you might as well like

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<v Speaker 3>be complaining about how like Michael Jackson ruined pop music

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<v Speaker 3>or what it's like. It doesn't matter if like you

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<v Speaker 3>don't like Michael Jackson, Like yes, like Michael Jackson is

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<v Speaker 3>a pedophile, but he also invented pop music.

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly, Yeah is that alleged?

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<v Speaker 4>Still it's still alleged.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's news to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we're talking about how stupid it is to do

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<v Speaker 4>discourse about carlography here we are kind of engaging in it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm really I'm really struck by. I got my

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<v Speaker 4>eyebrows wax yesterday and they're slaying a little bit. They

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<v Speaker 4>look really good.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what else looks really good today, Rose,

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<v Speaker 3>Something that you know the virgins at home can't see,

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<v Speaker 3>but maybe they'll see on our social or something. Is

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<v Speaker 3>this gor Jean and Boilin inspired necklace A la ugly

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<v Speaker 3>Betty that a one rosedami.

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<v Speaker 2>You did buy me for my birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not a competition buying presents for birthdays, but

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<v Speaker 3>if it was, Rose Domio did win.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just say that it is the first Tuesday in May,

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<v Speaker 4>and as you were listening to this episode, it is

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<v Speaker 4>the first Thursday in May. So I'm sure you were

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<v Speaker 4>all very sick and tired of Met Gala coverage and opinions,

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<v Speaker 4>but you're going to hear a little bit of ours,

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<v Speaker 4>and we will try to keep it light and fun

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<v Speaker 4>and fancy free. We did gather to watch the Red

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<v Speaker 4>Carpet last night. It was a lot longer than I.

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<v Speaker 3>Expected it to be, also way more fun than I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, like I think you and I had

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<v Speaker 3>really expectations, Like, you know, we were just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we'll like order something like I had fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a good time. I mean it was exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what I expected, which was you Laurel and I sitting

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<v Speaker 4>on my couch just on Twitter, in my same space. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But as far as the actual carpet and fashion, look, listen, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to give a disclaimer. I'm not a fashion girlie.

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<v Speaker 4>I consider myself somewhat fashion adjacent. I like to consume,

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<v Speaker 4>I like, you know, like shoes whatever. I'm like literally

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<v Speaker 4>sitting here wearing a gross hoodie that hasn't been washed

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<v Speaker 4>in maybe a full calendar year. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>still have my opinions, and I think generally this was

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<v Speaker 4>an underwhelming Megala fashion wise, but I think a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of that is due to the theme. And just like

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<v Speaker 4>as I was saying to Phoebe before you got on here,

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm not even really that excited about seeing this

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<v Speaker 4>met exhibit because I just think out of the whole world,

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<v Speaker 4>car Lagerfeld, from my uneducated point of view, is just

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<v Speaker 4>very boring and like not the type of design that

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<v Speaker 4>I am drawn to, and that was very much reflected

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<v Speaker 4>on the Red Carpet last night, with a few exceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>M yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm also I don't

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<v Speaker 3>consider myself a fashion girly. I like to think myself

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<v Speaker 3>as a style girly. And I think that styling good distinction. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that styling is usually what wins the Metgala.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that how you pull an outfit together, how

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<v Speaker 3>you accessorize, how you create the fantasy is is really

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<v Speaker 3>how you win instead of like recreating a runway look

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<v Speaker 3>or just wearing something that's lowed for the sake of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I don't know, so I've also I've

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<v Speaker 2>been seeing a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of people be like this is like such a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this like Met Gala theme like sucks or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>like every year someone's gonna say, like the Megala theme sucks.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually think unfortunately, and I've been thinking about this,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that this was a really good mechala and

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<v Speaker 3>I and I know I'm thinking about years. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>that Camp Mechcala was amazing. I know, every there were

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<v Speaker 3>so many people that were like rotted, horrible whatever, but

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<v Speaker 3>like I have so much fun watching people have fun

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<v Speaker 3>and go all the way out. And the thing about

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<v Speaker 3>a mechala theme like camp is that it's open to interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>You can wear any designer you want and like cater

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<v Speaker 3>it to your style. And I think that that was

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<v Speaker 3>something that lent itself to a lot of fun on

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<v Speaker 3>the red carpet. And I think that's also something that's

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<v Speaker 3>true about Carl is that, yes, like Carl in Channel

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<v Speaker 3>and in his other work, like created uniforms, created things

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, we're black and white, created things that

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<v Speaker 3>were like classic, and so there's a really boring way

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. But I did love that because it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a there's such a wide way to interpret Carl

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<v Speaker 3>that everyone did get to kind of showcase their personality.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we saw like kind of the best of how

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<v Speaker 3>people could dress in a black and white ensemble or

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<v Speaker 3>in like a classic feminine silhouette that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, you know, it was kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I think I dur in the in the

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<v Speaker 3>moment last night, I was like I was like, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's like, what's cool here? What's not cool here? And

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<v Speaker 3>like and at the end of the day, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is fun. Like this this I think everyone kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like did a really good job and to me,

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<v Speaker 3>not a ton of like worse dressed, but did you

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<v Speaker 3>have something dressed?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we start there?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's start with the bad ones. I I mean

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<v Speaker 4>this not like horrible, huge mega flap doo doo cock guy.

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<v Speaker 4>But considering how I don't always love what she wears,

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<v Speaker 4>but she usually does, especially for the past couple of

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<v Speaker 4>bat galas she has turned it out, I thought Lizzo

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<v Speaker 4>was disappointing. Yes, extremely boring and like also a good

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<v Speaker 4>instance of like. The only things that saved her were

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<v Speaker 4>the styling, like her hair was great. There were not

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<v Speaker 4>enough updues on the carpet last night, and also not

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<v Speaker 4>enough hats, and Carl Lagerfeldt was very much a hat person.

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<v Speaker 4>And the fact that like Dua Lipa wore that fucking

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<v Speaker 4>Chanelle bride dress and didn't wear the little balo and

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<v Speaker 4>hat that was worn with it on the runway, We're pointing, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's giving like a lane stretching company, does

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<v Speaker 4>nobody wear a hat or whatever the line is.

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<v Speaker 3>With the Dua look, Like if Dua had worn not

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<v Speaker 3>just the tiny hat that comes with that look, but

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<v Speaker 3>like six more hats stacked on top of that hat,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Like that's actually I think

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<v Speaker 3>Janelle Mona did a version of that for the Mecca

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<v Speaker 3>if here. But like my point is, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>take it to the next level, Like I totally agree

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<v Speaker 3>with that. And also like Coco, Chanelle famously wore that

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<v Speaker 3>like boater hat like that, like that Audrey Heppern also

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<v Speaker 3>wore like there were no boater hats. I also, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean so esoteric, but like it would have been

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<v Speaker 3>really cool even though this isn't Carl but it is Chanelle.

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<v Speaker 3>If someone had done like an interpretation on like the

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<v Speaker 3>Little Black Dress, you know what I mean, which like

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<v Speaker 3>if there's like an avant garde way to do the

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<v Speaker 3>little Little Black dress, Like I think that would have

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<v Speaker 3>been like something kind of fun and interesting. But yeah, Lizzo, Lizzo,

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<v Speaker 3>I think like it was like the pearls should have

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<v Speaker 3>been smaller, and like the way the pearls draped on

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<v Speaker 3>her just it didn't look well as well tailored as

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<v Speaker 3>it could have.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very it was very matronly. Yeah, matronly.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of tailoring issues on the runway up.

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<v Speaker 3>Margot Robbie, one of the most beautiful women in the

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<v Speaker 3>like in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like so tired with talking about it at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>as I as I tweeted, it's like she's allergic to surveying. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm so worried about the Barbie scenario we have

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<v Speaker 4>coming this summer. She just like everyone is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's her style, so it's her, Like Chanelle Contract, I

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<v Speaker 4>think she just has bad taste.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she definitely has bad taste. You can't you can't,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you allow these things to put on your body

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<v Speaker 3>that is still a taste level. And with Margot Robbie,

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<v Speaker 3>like that dress was a recreation of something from like

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<v Speaker 3>the sixties, which is even.

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<v Speaker 2>More of an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And and and also Emma Chamberlain in that like, I

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<v Speaker 3>still don't know who.

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<v Speaker 4>Emma Chamberlain is. I don't know who. It doesn't right,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't need to, you know. I mean I thought Emma.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought Emma Chamberlain was fine. It was she was

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<v Speaker 4>wearing Mumeu and it was a very mu Meu look it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think she needed to do an outfit change.

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<v Speaker 4>But whatever I thought, Lolana's ex was a let down.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just not a good execution of trying to

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<v Speaker 4>do a shoe pette look. It just like it didn't

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<v Speaker 4>read for me, and it just was like confusing and

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<v Speaker 4>it was actually it was kind of an annoying look. Honestly, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>it was obnoxious. So if you saw the other photos

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<v Speaker 4>of lil Na's wearing like this fit, he had like

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<v Speaker 4>a huge white fur coat on top of it. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think on the styling level, that actually would have

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<v Speaker 4>like brought the look closer to like where it needed

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<v Speaker 4>to be, like on the level that it needed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that he took the coat off after

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<v Speaker 4>like Doja Cat beat him to the red carpet because

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't want to have like these kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>same same like cat looks or whatever. And or maybe

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<v Speaker 4>he wasn't wearing fur well, maybe did Jared leto get

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<v Speaker 4>there first, like something happened. Maybe he was just hot.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Maybe I think he just wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>like walk around feeling his like silver pussy fantasy and that.

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<v Speaker 4>And if that's true, that's the problem because Divadal was

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<v Speaker 4>dressed for battle him, like she was not dressed for

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<v Speaker 4>the met gala, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, if you if you look like you know

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<v Speaker 3>a fagat Pride. That's not fashion. And if the only

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<v Speaker 3>garments you're wearing our like heels and underwear, like they

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<v Speaker 3>better be the best fucking heels and the best fucking

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<v Speaker 3>underwear I've ever seen, and like zero, the cereals were

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<v Speaker 3>really cute and I loved how they looked, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that was the shoe for the look,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the underwear didn't like contours, ass it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really special.

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<v Speaker 4>It's actually kind of the opposite problem is what we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about before. It's like too much styling and

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<v Speaker 4>yeah enough look, yes, too much Like this is a

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<v Speaker 4>fashion event, you should be I think, wearing a garment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should be wearing a garment.

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<v Speaker 3>Or to honor a designer or designed things. Yeah, yeah whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to like dwell on the little nose

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<v Speaker 3>of it all.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's talk about what we liked.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's yeah, vibes, posy vibes.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, my number one, well, actually I think tied for

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<v Speaker 4>number one of the night, and on very different ends

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<v Speaker 4>of the spectrum were MICHAELA. Cole and Sciparelli like that

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<v Speaker 4>like insane gold beaded dress to the foot, the like

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<v Speaker 4>perfectly molded foot shoes incredible. And then on the other

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<v Speaker 4>side of things and halfway mother mother Sleigh in in

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<v Speaker 4>custom Versace like tweed Versace, like really like Versace doing

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<v Speaker 4>Chanel in such an incredible way, and like Anne on

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<v Speaker 4>the like on the total flip side from Margot Robie,

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<v Speaker 4>like Anne has Eileen coming out of the end of

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<v Speaker 4>this year and she has been slowly ramping up her

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<v Speaker 4>fashion SNAr fantasy and like it can only get better

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<v Speaker 4>from here.

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<v Speaker 2>I Mikhaela Cole.

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<v Speaker 3>Her fit was like a perfect example of like how

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<v Speaker 3>you can interpret Carl anyway you want, and like the

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<v Speaker 3>ornate like kind of details of her dress with like

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<v Speaker 3>the little lipsticks and the little homages to Carl. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like the look looks nothing like Carl, but like if

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<v Speaker 3>you zoom in, it's Carl, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's.

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<v Speaker 2>How you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so smart and I just Skiparelli's like one

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<v Speaker 3>of my favorite you know designers to like behold and

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<v Speaker 3>look at you know, so how could it be bad?

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<v Speaker 3>But like Anne, does she have like a new stylist

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<v Speaker 3>or something everything in the last she doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>She doesn't have a new stylist, but she did do.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a Hollywood Reporter story with her stylist somewhat

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<v Speaker 4>recently in which they said that they basically just decided

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<v Speaker 4>to do this new era and just like ramp everything

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<v Speaker 4>up to another level, and that she's like having the

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<v Speaker 4>most fun she's ever had dressing and it really shows

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<v Speaker 4>and all of the work she's been doing, specifically with Versace,

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<v Speaker 4>which she is a face of. She's servant cunt and

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<v Speaker 4>that's just it is what it is. Who were your

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<v Speaker 4>favorites of the night?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and definitely was at the top of my list

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of like, oh like unexpected, perfectly executed, stunning,

0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.440
<v Speaker 3>gorg my favorites of the night. I think we're just

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's favorites. I uh, you know, best dressed is always Rihanna.

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<v Speaker 4>Even this year, you thought.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred and ten percent. I thought she was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>skip the carpet, which she kind of did. She skipped

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<v Speaker 3>the broadcast. She did the same thing last year, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that because she wasn't gonna do it, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, maybe she's like not pulling a stunt

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<v Speaker 3>as much, and like last year, I felt like her

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<v Speaker 3>carpet was fine. This year, I when her look was revealed, Rose,

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<v Speaker 3>I was in my apartment like laugh like I had

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<v Speaker 3>this like grin on my face. I was like laughing

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<v Speaker 3>like crazy, like I thought it was fashion genius, like

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<v Speaker 3>at its finest. And I know it's such an uninteresting

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<v Speaker 3>and like uh shallow take to be like Rihanna won

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<v Speaker 3>the mat Gala, but like I do think that this

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<v Speaker 3>looks specifically is emblematic of like what is her genius

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<v Speaker 3>in this fashion world? At a pay homage with Karl

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<v Speaker 3>with these white flowers in a way that was like

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<v Speaker 3>better than how Bunny did it, even though like bad

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<v Speaker 3>Bunny was so good like and also.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh his slutty sluttyosed back. It was for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Rihanna with the sunglasses that with the Chanelle eyelashes on

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<v Speaker 3>the sunglasses, like that was it for me. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>it was so great to stop styled like so perfectly executed.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, Cardi's always best dressed, like that's obvious for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I have some sleeper hits, which I guess I'll get into,

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<v Speaker 3>But like, what were some of your other favorites? Nicole,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, wearing her two thousand and four Chanelle perfume

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<v Speaker 3>ad dress. I also really liked Jenna Ortega in Tom Brown.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought she looked beautiful. I love a saddle shoe

0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.480
<v Speaker 4>and she was wearing like a heeled Oxford saddle shoe.

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<v Speaker 4>Thought she looked great. Gigi Hadid, who I have like recently,

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<v Speaker 4>like started to after watching her host Next in Fashion,

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<v Speaker 4>and then Doja cat Her and Michaela would be my

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<v Speaker 4>top three of the night because Doja, it like is

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<v Speaker 4>in a way a very simple look and it it

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<v Speaker 4>is on theme and it's like gaggy without being overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 4>cost to me, like the cat prosthetics are still fashion,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Is exactly and I felt like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought Rihanna and Doja did something of the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing where they took a kind of over the topness

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<v Speaker 3>and then also elevated it with like an understatement, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. Like I felt like it was

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<v Speaker 3>perfectly balanced, perfectly accessorized. Yeah, I mean, bad Bunny, I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>was I know, so you said something very astute yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that you know, men don't enter the list

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<v Speaker 3>because men are just in a different category that don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to be evaluated or should be evaluated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different scale.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't include scale that Bunny really was like

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<v Speaker 3>one of the best stressed for me, at least in

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<v Speaker 3>the mentory department, if not like kind of in like

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<v Speaker 3>my top list of like things that I remember just

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<v Speaker 3>because the exposed back was so smart.

0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Jakamu was so smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Pedro Pascal looked amazing, I thought, like with the other

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<v Speaker 3>guys that did well, I thought Brian Tyree Henry, And

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<v Speaker 3>I also thought Diddy was like so classically Diddy. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel so grateful for like things that he brings to fashion.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's move.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're like, okay, so none to men's ware.

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<v Speaker 4>Kristen Stewart, I thought, oh, actually, sometimes she's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like hey mama's, Hey mama's love being representations as friend

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<v Speaker 4>of the podcast Blyth the Marks said.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally just learned what a hey Mama's what a

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<v Speaker 3>hey mama's lesbian is And oh damn, I love Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Kristen isn't always like, you know, amazing on the red

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<v Speaker 3>carpet and she looked perfect well.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean that's that's the thing is people have

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<v Speaker 4>talked about how for the last couple of years she

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<v Speaker 4>was another one of those girls who was seemingly locked

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<v Speaker 4>into this sort of fausty bargain with Chanelle and was

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<v Speaker 4>always wearing these weirdly feminine, ugly ass Chanel looks on

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<v Speaker 4>red carpets and I love that for this, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Cara Lagerfeld carpet, she came out in a men's wear

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<v Speaker 4>look like, looking like her strap weighed twenty pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so good. Okay sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Also asap, Rocky's men's wear look was really cool with

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<v Speaker 3>the belts and the scar. I just what I liked

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<v Speaker 3>about Aceop was just him standing on the side looking

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<v Speaker 3>at Rihanna like like you are God. He is such

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking wife guy. I love oh one hundred percent

0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:51.560
<v Speaker 3>sleeper Hits, Sleeper Hits. I thought, like Glenn Clotes so beautiful.

0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Tianna Taylor, like Tianna Taylor edible, that's how you show ass,

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<v Speaker 3>Like sorry little nas.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you're gonna show ass, that's how you show ass.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the hip cutout. Yeah, really giving body like wearing

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<v Speaker 4>tweet another Tom Brown. I mean, the Tom Brown girlies

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<v Speaker 4>really do slay kind of the most every year.

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<v Speaker 3>I have yet to see the write up that that

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<v Speaker 3>was like it was Tom Brown's night because it was

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<v Speaker 3>his Antilia dressed so many fucking people, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's probably because he's married to the director of the

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<v Speaker 3>costume exhibit and also like famously does black and white.

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<v Speaker 3>But like he should do Chanelle, Like there should be

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<v Speaker 3>a Tom Brown Chanel collab, moment collections something like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe Tom Brown is actually too distinct for that, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>I yeah, I thought that his looks were like winning

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<v Speaker 3>all night long. I gener Ortega honestly in the Tom

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<v Speaker 3>Brown Like that's again, it's like perfect, a perfect marriage

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<v Speaker 3>of who Karl is and then who the celebrity is,

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<v Speaker 3>right Lea Michelle Sleeper.

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<v Speaker 4>Hit Barber Strides end.

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<v Speaker 3>Realness a hundred percent of Barber reference Erica but two

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a serve. I thought she looked so cool

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<v Speaker 3>with a little like white curtainy thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, it was kind of when she was doing

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<v Speaker 4>her interview, it made it look like she had a mustache.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like her mustache was like flopping, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>flopping around. If Florence Pew is going to debut a

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<v Speaker 3>buzz cut, which is hot behavior, why would you wear

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<v Speaker 3>like an ugly like headdress on top of the buzz

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<v Speaker 3>cut to cover up the bus.

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<v Speaker 4>She's another one who has really bad taste.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, oh, I don't follow, I'm not at whatter Pew

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<v Speaker 3>Florence Pew stands called I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Pew, p puglinators, pullinators. When you told me seaking past deals,

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<v Speaker 4>it should also be said that when you said Florence

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<v Speaker 4>is debuting her buscuit, I was like, Florence Welch is

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<v Speaker 4>debuting her bus. Yeah, she's cutting. She's removing the thing

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<v Speaker 4>that she is most known, which is being an iconic

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<v Speaker 4>redhead and debuting a buzz cut. Yeah, Florence Pugh has

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<v Speaker 4>a really bad style.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like again, like, if you're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the Mecala, don't be so un fun about it.

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Like this is a grotesque display of capitalism and celebrity,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why we are all here for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the it's the super Bowl of fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's the super Bowl of Fashion, which Rose and

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<v Speaker 3>I will one day be at.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah sure, why not? I have the very least like

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<v Speaker 4>on the sidelines. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe not not walking

0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 4>you never know. I don't know that I would want

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<v Speaker 4>to do that because I don't know if I can

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<v Speaker 4>subject myself to that. I mean, I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to be famous. Yeah, I don't ever want to

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<v Speaker 4>subject myself to that level of public scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to be famous, I know, I'm well aware. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I want to be famous. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like thinking about I'm like kombucha girl right now, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I yeah, do I want to be famous? I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I want to be famous, But like, I

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<v Speaker 3>love fashion. I want to participate in fashion. I love

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<v Speaker 3>what MICHAELA. Cole said yesterday on the very terrible Vogue

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 3>live stream.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, girl, girl, I love what MICHAELA Cole.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, I'm but a tourist in this industry,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm not here to claim fashion, Like I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>a tourist.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, that's that's cheap. Like that's how

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<v Speaker 4>I feel a lot of the time. That is cheap.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, girl, that Vogue run that Vogue live stream,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we don't need to get into details, but likeab.

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<v Speaker 4>I need you know, it's giving super nanny. If you

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<v Speaker 4>all are in a crisis, I'm on my way, Like

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<v Speaker 4>the uh, the people hosting red carpets are not doing

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<v Speaker 4>it the way they should and I need to get

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<v Speaker 4>back out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but you know, you know who should have

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<v Speaker 3>been on the red carpet aside from us? Obviously you

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<v Speaker 3>did tweet that the the resident Evil mom should have

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<v Speaker 3>should have been walking.

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<v Speaker 4>No, the Evil Dead mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh right, Evil Dead, Resident Evil? Are those different entities

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 3>or are they they are different?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? Okay, well you know I was close. You were close.

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the difference between the two?

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<v Speaker 4>For the virgins? And then you can Resident Evil is,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe, a video game series that has been adapted

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<v Speaker 4>into a movie series, and then Evil Dead is a

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 4>movie franchise about not like zombies, but possession movies. And

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<v Speaker 4>I did, in fact, I did, in fact see the

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<v Speaker 4>new Evil Dead film, Evil Dead Rise, on Friday, and

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<v Speaker 4>I did love it. It was so fun. I was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of having a bad day on Friday and needed

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<v Speaker 4>to get out of my head and just like be

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<v Speaker 4>scared and be no thoughts, had empty, just vibes, just

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 4>spooky vibes, and the movie delivered exactly that. It's I mean,

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 4>if anyone doesn't know about what Evil Dead is, it's

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 4>this film franchise where there's this book called the Book

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<v Speaker 4>of the Dead and people read it and then they

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 4>get possessed by these like demonic entities who just want

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 4>to create absolute chaos and like rip their bodies apart

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.959
<v Speaker 4>and the bodies of the people around them. And in

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.919
<v Speaker 4>this new film, the person that that happens to is

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 4>a single mother living with her three children in an

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 4>apartment building Los Angeles, and her sister comes to stay

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 4>with them and her son, who's played by a transactor.

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Love to see that there's like a lot of trans

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 4>representation in horror these days, which is great, and that

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 4>mean horror is usually the place where we get representation first.

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 4>That's like long been like a staple of the genre.

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 4>And he like finds this book after an earthquake and

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 4>then the mom becomes possessed and then starts like terrorizing

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 4>her family, and it was so fun. The actress Alyssa

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:58.239
<v Speaker 4>Sutherland I believe, who plays the mom, is incredible and

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 4>I truly believe she will win an Oscar someday. She

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 4>just has this like gummy face that like it just

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 4>was so perfect for being transformed into like absolute evil.

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.239
<v Speaker 4>Like the way that she smiles at her children is

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<v Speaker 4>so menacing, and her physicality was great. I've been seeing

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 4>a lot of her videos on TikTok. She did a

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 4>lot of her own stunts, which is very cool, and

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 4>the gore is insane. There's this one scene where someone

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 4>gets their flesh scraped off with a cheese grater. And

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 4>the opening scene of the film, so every Evil Dead

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 4>movie has like a title card scene that's about something

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 4>slightly different than the main action of the movie, And

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 4>in this one, it's these people who are on vacation

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 4>by a lake and this girl gets her scalp ripped off,

0:26:53.400 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 4>and it's so good. Make it snatched, well literally snatched. Night,

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 4>I had to do something I never do, which was

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 4>fall asleep with the TV on.

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't.

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 4>I was just so scared that like something was gonna

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 4>crawl out of the darkness of my apartment. Yeah, like

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 4>the soothing, comforting noise of a TV.

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Someone I went on a date with said that Evil

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Dead was kind of giving camp Is that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, saying the original films are much campier, And then

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 4>the series was kind of like soft rebooted in twenty

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 4>thirteen with Evil Dead twenty thirteen, and that's much more.

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen it, but I really want to. From

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 4>what I understand, it's much more like Grim and like excellent,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 4>but not as cant be funny. I think this movie

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 4>was probably like a sweet spot in between the two.

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Like one of the things that I really liked was

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 4>the actress who played the mom. I saw an interview

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 4>with her where someone was asking what she used for

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 4>inspiration for her role, and one of the things she

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 4>referenced was the Mask with Jim Carrey. That's because because

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.719
<v Speaker 4>she was thinking that this demonic entity, like once it

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 4>was in a vessel, would be having so much fun

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 4>inflicting terror on people, and that really came through in

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 4>her performance, and it was even though it was like

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 4>menacing and terrifying, it was really fun to watch. So

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 4>I yeah, it is a little not not as much,

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 4>but there's a couple like silly, goofy, campy moments throughout

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 4>the film.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, honestly that that in and of itself makes

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 3>me want to watch it. I never would have considered

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>this movie had had you not thrown in my way.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 3>So I think I think I may, I may get

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>my get my butt to an AMC if I can

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 3>find a body to watch it with.

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 4>You should you should find a fellow Stubb anista.

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fellow Stubb anista, but you are no longer sad faced.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 4>I did. I told my my friend who I went

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 4>to the movie with, I said, I'm making dinner reservations

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 4>for us after because we saw it Alamo and I said,

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 4>There's no way I can eat dinner while watching something

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 4>that gory and like we couldn't.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Even eat the popcorn. That's how stomach journey it was.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing, Rose, you know, we chatted a little

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 3>bit about the Mechala. If there is someone who is

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>like the girl that's gonna respond to every every single

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 3>component of Megala coverage, it is a one. Mikel Street,

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 3>our dear friend and former co worker, Mikel Street, is

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 3>actually like the person to get into my DM saying well, actually,

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.479
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, like actually loves she loves

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 3>a well actually and like I did actually post something

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>on my story last night about the Mecala and Mikel

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 3>was like, well actually, and I'm like, come on, do

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 3>you have to be right about like everything?

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 4>And he does, and she is here today to give

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 4>us a well actually about Anna Wintour HBI C of

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 4>the met Gala and the magazine and basically the entire

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 4>fashion world. So that's going to be very exciting, and

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 4>I think we're gonna learn a lot.

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and we recorded this a while ago, so you know,

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 3>no Megala coverage from my caw. But we well we

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 3>talked about all things Anna and sempergreen.

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 4>Fashion context exactly. I'm so cold, I'm so grown, I'm

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 4>so real life, I'm so show off my diamonds designed

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 4>to twinkle with light as the valley fills with darkness.

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 4>Shadows chase and run around in the morning. I cheer

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 4>for sunshine and I feel, but I don't feel enough

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 4>in the midnight hours.

0:30:55.200 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I try to This is winter. That was Oh my god.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 3>I knew exactly what because I was listening, but I

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 3>was just like, sounds like Edgar Allan Poe and she's

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 3>giving lyrics. She's giving, she's giving darkness.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 4>Do any of those lyrics resonate you as a as

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 4>a fan of person. I don't know.

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really listen. Clocked out, was like, where's you

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>listen to? My women are talking? Well, what hath was?

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I just like I I don't remember any of them.

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's about being cold, being you know, like a

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 4>fashion bitch.

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 3>No I I I will say best song or maybe

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 3>top three for me.

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I try not to have best Azalea songs.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 3>You don't really do top threes, top fives in general,

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would need a top fifty.

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're you're like a you're a fat girl.

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I try to be so nuanced, and I'm like, well,

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it depends on how we're funny.

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 5>Thing, The thing is, you don't.

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>You don't try to be nuanced. You have a nuancing compulsion.

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 3>You are compulsorily. Yeah, I want and therefore cannot say

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 3>any You will not You cannot say or accept any platitudes, Yeah,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 3>any any sort of like flat statements. You will be

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 3>like now wait a second. Yeah, And that is how

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 3>we're going into this conversation, dear virsions. So every time

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Rose and I say literally anything, Michael will probably be like, well, actually.

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Well actually, but what happened was but no, I mean

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that like, yeah, that kind of idea of

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like being cold or even being perceived as really cold

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and like you don't care about people's feelings, I think

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely something that like people associate with Anna, and

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>also that like I with and mostly because like I

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>think that Anna, well like that growing up, I looked

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>up to specifically women like Anna Winter, Kelly Coutron, and

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, there's another that I am not thinking of.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Cotrone is a mother to many. Who's Kelly Catron?

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. She's like a PR fashion icon. She

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>had a show called kell on Earth. Oh if you

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>did you watch The Hills or the OC. She was

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Conrad's bossy.

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 4>She also did an iconic interview magazine issue recently talking

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.479
<v Speaker 4>about all these TikTok fashion girlies who show up at

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 4>fashion week, like thinking there's somebody and she's like, no,

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 4>you're nobody, Like.

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>We don't care about you.

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 4>So is she?

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 5>So she is in PR. She's not like a socialite,

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 5>she's not.

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>She produces fashion show she used to produce like she

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>used to her PR firm used to be the PR

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>firm for London Fashion Week, like not just individual shows,

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and so she's done a lot of I think she

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>used to have rough Rucci. She introduced a bunch of

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>like Spanish and like other sort of international designers to

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>New York Fashion Week and to the New York Qushian scene. Anyways,

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>she has a book called If You Have to Cry don't.

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you have to cry, go outside, Like

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.479
<v Speaker 1>that was one of her mantras and wodows, and she

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>would always give her interns this speech that like like

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about your feelings. We're here to do work.

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm here to do a job, and like, if

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to cry, go outside, I don't want to

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>hear it. If I tow you like. She also can't

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>deal with this generation because she's like, if I toe

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.959
<v Speaker 1>to do something, do it, Like I just do It's

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going back and forth. Yeah, and so she

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>was very like cut through anyways. So like the two

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of them and there's somebody else that like I'm for

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>some reason, I can't think of who they are right now.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Kind of really taught me the three of them and

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Grace Connington a little bit, but kind of shove so

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 1>good and also very different like not but I want

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to read this quote from Kelly Catrone. We keep a

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:49.399
<v Speaker 1>lot of list.

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 4>This is from I'm an interview magazine interview that she

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 4>did recently. We keep a lot of lists. But this year,

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 4>my team is really small, and she's talking about New

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 4>York Fashion Week. I'm doing everything with four or five people.

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 4>That doesn't include the people, but all of the interview requests,

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 4>pre interview requests, post interview requests, celebrities, fake celebrities, fake

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 4>ass fucking people who think their major who aren't. And

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 4>I feel now that it's my job to tighten up

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 4>the reins a little bit and say, sorry, I know

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 4>you think you're in the fashion business because you have

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 4>two million followers on TikTok, but you're not. You're a

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 4>little kid from Laguna Beach or Orlando, Florida who has

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 4>some kind of great skill with getting attention on the internet.

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 4>But that doesn't make you a fashion influencer.

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's I don't even want to go into that,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>but ye honestly, that's all you can talk about that

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 1>for like another hour. And so I'm wondering, is.

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 4>This like this idea of the cutthroat leave your feelings

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 4>of the door fashion diva, is that an archetype that

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 4>predates Anna.

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Or with Diana or yeah? No, absolutely, I mean Diana

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 1>was no that Diana was like very eccentric.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 5>And Diana Freeland for the versions.

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that like there has always existed this

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>idea of this like woman who's like extremely ambitious and

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>like cutthroat and like I'm sure that pre dated and

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 1>was in fashion before Anna, but I it was. I

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>respected Anna growing up. I like got into like voge

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>at a very very young age. I mean I also

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>got into fashion at a very young age. You remember

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>how old you were. I can tell you the way

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that I try to explain to people how early I

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>got into fashion was in the second or third grade.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was the third grade. We had to

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 1>write our first research paper, and I wrote a research

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>paper on Charles Frederick Worth, who was widely considered to

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>be like the father of couture. And like I remember obviously,

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like I was in the second or I think I

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>was in third grade, and so I don't know anything

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>about like photo rights and stuff like that. But I

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>remember going to Google dot com and typing in his

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>name and then just going to Google images and like

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>pulling in onto like my cover letter, so I could

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>have these like images of dresses. Now you would be

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>sued over exactly Obviously I didn't know anything about it.

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 1>You did not have account but like that's how early

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I became cognizant. Well that I can show that I

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 1>knew that I was interested in and that and was.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 4>It was it like the clothes themselves or the culture

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 4>of fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that like the I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone with fashion. I think like you first come

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>to the clothes and like that's the thing, and then

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like you realize like everything else. And I think so

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>many people from the youngest age you were interested in

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the clothes, and so you might draw the closer like

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>where you know, try to style things which obviously are

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you wear them. You try a blanket around your exactly,

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>and a ball all of those kinds of things. And

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>then I think that once you become exposed to like

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>learning like oh there's magazines. Oh there's this other thing.

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh there's this, and then you start being like, oh,

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>actually I mentioned in the clothes, but like I don't

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>want to design them, like I want to do this

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.320
<v Speaker 1>other thing. And I like very quickly became aware of

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>magazines and so like when I was in high school.

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>When I was in middle school, I started a blog.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>But when I was in high school, I like started

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>like stealing magazines from the library same because we couldn't

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>afford them. And then like when I was able to

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of way started making money. I started

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>getting these subscriptions, and I remember that my mother was like,

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.919
<v Speaker 1>you cannot have more than eight magazine subscriptions because there's

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>no way for you to read. I'm tapping eight magazines

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a month, and you did. But you did though, But

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would read them all everything I went,

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and I when I moved out to go to college,

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>we I had these like bookshelves that were just all

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of my magazines. Like I can't justide there was so many.

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<v Speaker 4>Very carry Bradshaw with all the vogues that she used

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 4>to buy instead of food because she felt they fed

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 4>more very bad. I love that your fashion origin story

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 4>is also an origin story about you know, how you became,

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 4>how you fell in love with the complex world of

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 4>photo licensing. And I love that that is just you know,

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 4>because that is you know, part of your person. We

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 4>are meant to be a journal No, I don't think

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 4>you guys quite understand.

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Like I ran this blog and I was like, do

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you want this blog? I had I don't know, multiple.

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 4>Time.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I had multiple blogs when I was younger, and

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>then like I knew that I wanted to be a

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>fashion writer a journalist so much, and I wanted to

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>like review fashion shows, and so I would I was

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>so like directional that, like I was like, I know

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>this is what I want to do, so how can

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I do a version of that now? So back then

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I want to be like Tim Blinks.

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to be like Kathy Horn. I want to

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>be I want to go to these shows and review them.

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And I know that like so much of that as speed,

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and so like I would tell myself like I had

0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like a specific amount of time after photos came out

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>back then style dot Com from the time Photos came

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>out to write a review on my blog and like

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, and so that is actually way you

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 1>savage in your reviews.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you were like setting trash down the runway

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 3>middle school.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 1>And I was like so dead serious about like this

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 1>is what I want to do with my life and

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>like this is how I get there, and so like

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>then it was nothing. When I like moved to New

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>York and I like met this person who worked at

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the site at the time called now Fashion and they

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of the fashion photography runway photography at

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 1>fashion shows. But at the time they were building essentially

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>what now so many publications do, which was they would

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>shoot the the the shows, but then they would I

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know how they did this, but stream essentially stream

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the shots so like you could watch photos come pop

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>up on your screen as they were going down the runway.

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 1>And they started to build a team of writers to

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>write reviews for them, and our deadline, I believe was

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 1>three hours after a show ends.

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:05.240
<v Speaker 4>We had to have a review, and well, tund especially

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 4>for your first.

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Job, and well that was It wasn't most writers, it

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>was not, but it was mine, and it was easy

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 1>because like I was like, oh, I haven't known this

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>for years. Yeah, like I wasn't at the shows, but

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>like I have been doing this kind of stuff. And

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 1>then this is also what made me like so like

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>big on like taking opinion and like sticking with it,

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.760
<v Speaker 1>which is also something I learned for Ann that I learned,

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, watching things with Anna Winter was my editor

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 1>at the time. She was like, every you were writing critiques,

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you were writing criticism. So every piece you write has

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 1>to have a piece of Every review you write has

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to have a piece of criticism in it. It does

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily have to criticize the designer or the designs.

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>It can be criticism of the industry. It can be

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>a criticism of whatever. You don't have to say something

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>as bad, but there needs to be some part of

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>criticism in every review you write, and you need to

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>be able to like stand behind that and like you know,

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 1>write through it. And so that's what I did for

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>my first, like really my first job in New York City.

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, that's what I remember going to like that,

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I got to go to crazy shows with that. I

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>went to a Valentino Valentino Couture show when they came

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to New York City. I went to the Door show.

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>But my first big deal show the first time that

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I was ever intimidated. Mind you, I had been writing

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 1>for her for maybe a year of shows, I think,

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>but the first show that was ever intimidated, I went

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to a Mark Jacobs show, and I was intimidated because

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I knew that, like my review was going to be

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>coming out with like everyone who's anyone in fashion who

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was writing reviews at the time, we're going to be

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>We're at this show and we're going to be writing

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and like my review was going to come out at

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the same time or before there, and so like I

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 1>was paranoid about it was for the first time. I

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>was paranoid about being wrong that I would like have

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>about his show and like critique it and then like

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone else's piece would be like talking about something completely different.

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>And so I wrote my review and I sent it

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>in and it was the first time this has ever happened.

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I sent it in and she sent it back and

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>she was like, you were grouped. She was like, this

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is not a review, this is a description because you

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't you were too soft. I didn't know because I

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>did exactly which I just described what happened, and she

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>was like, we have pictures we can see. So I

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>had to like sit down and like she was like

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, I don't know what's going on

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>with you, like because she had an opinion. So she

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know what's going on, but you

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.720
<v Speaker 1>have a few hours.

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.720
<v Speaker 3>If Rose and I were talking to you and someone

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 3>brought up something, you know, if someone brought us something

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 3>about fashion and you didn't say something, I would be holding.

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 1>My hand to your four half be like are you okay?

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Go towards the light. But yeah, so like anyways, I

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>say all this to say, but all of that also

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 1>was kind of instilled in me. Even like my management

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>style for better for worse, I feel like I got

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:09.280
<v Speaker 1>from like watching like the September issue and watching Boss Women,

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 1>which was like this, which Anna is. Yeah, they had

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>an episode on her, and it was about like, don't

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>like mess around, don't be unsure about what you want.

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>You need to be extremely direct with people and tell

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.760
<v Speaker 1>them exactly what you want. And they might be upset

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>with you, but as long as they understand what you're

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 1>going for, then like it's going to be for the

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>better in the end. And like if you're direct with

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.839
<v Speaker 1>them and you communicate well enough, you can let them

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>go do what they do, Like you need to tell

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>them what you need. And like I think that, like

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously I have had to learn like how to finesse that,

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>but I think that that has always been at the

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>core of like how I try to manage people, is

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>like I try to identify the best people in the room,

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>which I think Anna, you know, to her credit that

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that people give her credit for being

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>able to like identify Grace and Andrea and hey man

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 1>and like all of those people and people like Anna's

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>not creative, like she has no sense of style. Blah blah, blah.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have to because she she identified all of

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>those people and like brought them together. And then the

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 1>reality is that American Vogue is what it is not

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 1>because of the creativity. It's because of the fact that

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a commercial It realizes that fashion is a commercial business,

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's a retail business, and like, how do we

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>channel all this creativity and like artsy, fartsy whatever, which

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I love, But how do we channel that into selling garments?

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that like that's why she she you know,

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't have to do that. She can have grace

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and you can have them fight and grace skin. Oh

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I want this, I want this, And like Anne's like,

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>oh that's great, but like we're selling coachs this season,

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>so like these three photos have to go. Where where

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>do you think that comes from?

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 4>With her?

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I don't know. I mean like I

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know, Like I know little bit

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>about her origin story, but like it's interesting because her

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>family was all like her. They all look down on her.

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh like her family is all like now that sounds right,

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>well because they're all like serious, like intellectual or like whatever.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>So like her, I think her little brother was like

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 1>at one point was like the politics editor of like

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the Telegraph, and her father was like this great editor

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and like, so they were like serious people and so

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>like for the long time, there's this rumor, and I

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>believe it that like she was trying to like become

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>an ambassador. Uh, And I always thought that it was

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>because she really wanted validation from like her family, her family.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 1>But she came up in this family that at the

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>very you know, we don't know what happened in that family,

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 1>but we know that like all of those kids were

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like high achieving, like mostly serious. And she says in

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the September issue, she's like when they ask her about

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>her family and what they think of her work, they're like, oh,

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>they think it's what did she say? They think it's

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>what I do is silly? I think is it like

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the word? And like also you get this deeply un

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 1>serious basically and like but basically she was like, they

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>think I play games. It's like, well, she well, these

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.879
<v Speaker 1>belts are exactly the same.

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Then it kind of makes sense that she has turned

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 4>her place in this industry that could be seen as

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 4>very silly or frivolous into one that is extremely.

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 5>Serious, the most serious, and.

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 1>That's why I've always that's also why I think that

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I gravitated towards her over everyone else. And like, obviously

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know maybe there were other editors who were

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>doing this, but like when I was like watching the

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 1>September issue in particular, the things that were like so

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.439
<v Speaker 1>impressive to me was like I was like, I want

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to be in a position where like I am able

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>to like a mango comes to me and ask me

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 1>who they should work with next, right, like and I

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>can be able to say, oh, to Kuon is the designer,

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>or like I want to be able to like have

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>lunches with like these retailers and like have conversations about like, oh,

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this is these designers are doing really great things, like

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>what is the disconnect? You know, how can we make

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 1>this industry like work in a way that's like better

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 1>for the entire industry? And like I've always been interested

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 1>in that kind of state craft, which is what I

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 1>think was she was into and.

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 5>Diploma diplomacy, Yeah, that's really what it was.

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>And and and I think I have always been cognizant

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and interested in like that. And I think that like people,

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of reduce it to just like Vogue

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:36.240
<v Speaker 1>as the magazine or whatever, but like she really sees

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it as the global industry that it is, and like,

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>what is it the rising tide raises all shifts and

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like how do I like do things that help the

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>entire industry, which Vogue will obviously profit from, right, And

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 1>so I think that's why I always I've always been interested. Obviously,

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that she's been extremely like personally creative

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but I'm like, you don't need to be,

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 1>because this is also just as much a business and

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.359
<v Speaker 1>like about numbers and about diplomacy and like all these

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>things and anything else.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that diplomacy like makes her someone who is

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.360
<v Speaker 3>able to like straddle a lot of worlds at the

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 3>same time, please a lot of people at the same time,

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 3>manage a ton of relationships.

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 4>And I think part.

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Of like what you you're like outlining with her relationship

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 3>to the fashion industry, I think shows that she came

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 3>into it and she really like templatized a way of

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 3>working and being in fashion that is now how a

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 3>lot of mainstream magazines work. Like she institutionalized I think

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 3>publishing and also just like a way of being an

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 3>editor that just permeates every job, every publishing job will

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 3>ever be at. So even if I've not, I personally

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 3>have never like been on Conde's payroll, but.

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of the places I've worked at.

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, have a cone de kind of sensibility of

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.280
<v Speaker 3>working because of how Anna gets it done.

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 4>And I feel like.

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.360
<v Speaker 3>That this like archetype or this kind of card tune

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 3>that people paint her as sometimes, which I think is

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 3>like an accurate cartoon, comes from her, like her institutionalization

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 3>of like fashion, like it comes from her leading with

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the character before trying to be like really personable, I guess,

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 3>and not even just.

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:22.320
<v Speaker 4>In fashion, like she is she is this hold over

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 4>of a of a bygone era of the magazine industry,

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Like she is the last of a dying breed of

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 4>high powered magazine editors who like now kind of only

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 4>exist in fiction.

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because I on one hand, I'm like Anna

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>is very much the last and also in waghs the first.

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 5>But because she has so many children, because she is.

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that like in many ways she is the

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 1>last of like a generation of editors. But yeah, like

0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that like everyone is trying to wrap the Kate,

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the kind of influence and power that Vogue has in

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.240
<v Speaker 1>like their own ways and like in influencing their industries

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>or you know whatever, like in their own ways, And

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know obviously, I like, I'm not going

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to try to say that, like I have like a

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:18.839
<v Speaker 1>comprehensive idea of like how all editors are and were

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 1>prior to her, But I think you've got a pretty

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>good idea.

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 6>Girl, Like, well, yeah, Rose, do you remember like your

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 6>first like or some of your like what your earliest

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 6>like impressions of Anna might have been or Vogue.

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:57.359
<v Speaker 4>I think for me, growing up as a little pre

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 4>woman gay kid in Florida, I think I understood that

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 4>fashion was something that, as a queer person, I was

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be interested in, and because of that, I

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 4>would buy Vogue and try to like manufacture an interest

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.399
<v Speaker 4>in it. And like, don't get me wrong, like I'm

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 4>interested in fashion.

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm more.

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 4>Interested in the cultural aspect of fashion than like even

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 4>the I mean I like clothes, sure, but I don't

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 4>care about fashion in the way that that you do.

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:40.720
<v Speaker 4>But I it felt like, you know, we were talking

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 4>when we did our Missus Doubtfire episode, we talked about

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 4>how like I talked about how one of the things

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I loved about that was the scene where they're giving

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 4>Roma Williams the makeover and they're like referencing all these

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 4>things that like there's this like shared queer language, and

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 4>I guess that's what I kind of felt like Vogue

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 4>was and what being interested in fashion was, it was

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 4>being part of that shared queer cultural language. And so

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 4>I think that's probably when I started understanding who Anna

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Wintour was. But it was definitely the Devil's Product that

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 4>was That was the thing, Oh that made me know

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 4>who she was because I read the book when it

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 4>first came out, and it was like this huge, like

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 4>publishing sensation. And I think the first time I really

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 4>knew who she was was when I read the book

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 4>and someone said, oh, that's about Anna Wintour.

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:34.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 5>I think this was pre Devil War's product Slash.

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.719
<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch Doubles product until years after it came out.

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:41.919
<v Speaker 1>But I think one of my.

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 3>First one of my earlier fashion memories, I was trying

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 3>to think of the first Vogue that I ever bought,

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 3>and I'm I want to say it was the one

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 3>with Gaga on it, the huge McQueen gown.

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 5>It was a very gray cover. She had gray hair

0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 5>at the time.

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:04.280
<v Speaker 3>And I remember either in this issue or around this issue,

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Annie Leebowitz was doing all those Disney recreations.

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Of photos with celebrities so good. Was that for Vogue

0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>or was it? Yeah, that's pretty sure.

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure was for Vogue. Okay, So that's like

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 3>one of my earliest memories. And I because of that

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 3>series started to like idolize any Libuwitz back when she

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 3>was relevant and like it captured my imagination at an

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.320
<v Speaker 3>access point that made sense to me as like however

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.320
<v Speaker 3>old I was. And I think that that is probably

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 3>something that they were thinking about when they were doing

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 3>the shoot. They were like, this is something that kids

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 3>understand and that adults also think is cool.

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because I think that, like I, I mean,

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I have actually never like said this out loud, So

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.399
<v Speaker 1>we're going to see how it goes. But yeah, it's

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 1>interesting to me because years ago, like obviously, fashion was

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>like so fantastical and like this the things that Annie

0:54:56.920 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>was doing and Grace was doing, and like all these

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 1>people were doing, Like I I was going back to

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>watch the September issue and like thinking about like the

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>twenties shoot that they did and like, and I think

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it was interesting because it was at a time where

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 1>people were not necessarily interested in fashion for clothes, and

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>so they had to do all of this other stuff,

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>would like make sure that it told this great, big

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 1>story on this extremely large scale to get people interested.

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:32.280
<v Speaker 1>But I think that because more people are interested simply

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 1>in fashion and like the clothes themselves, I think that

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that has allowed Vogue to be a little less like

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to go that far because people are

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 1>also simply just coming to look at the clothes as

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>well as the celebrities that are involved. And so I've

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>never said that like out loud before. And obviously this

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>also has to do with like budgets being slashes, so

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 1>there's simply not budgets to like do all of that.

0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 1>And it has to do with the fact that it

0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>takes so much more to convince the celebrity to like

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 1>give in to a creative brief because of social media

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that like they don't need to do

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.439
<v Speaker 1>that in order to be like and be in front

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.479
<v Speaker 1>of and speak to their consumers. But I do think

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 1>that that the general publics, like increase in fashion knowledge

0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>largely due to Vogue, has allowed Vogue to like scale

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 1>back and because people will just look at the images

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 1>for the pieces as opposed to like needing to necessarily

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 1>be transported in everything.

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it does make me wonder, like what in twenty

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 4>and twenty three is the function of Vogue and is

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 4>the function of anointur.

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Because like, I don't know, I'd be curious to know,

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.280
<v Speaker 3>like your trajectory, like how you would analyze the trajectory,

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like a lot of people would say

0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 3>that like Vogue's like golden age is like over for

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.360
<v Speaker 3>to put it flatly, which you'll probably nuance for me,

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 3>But like, I feel like a lot of people are

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 3>feeling like, especially in a social media era where everyone's

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, holding people accountable and like problematizing images online

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:18.640
<v Speaker 3>immediately that because Vogue is now under so much content

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 3>constant scrutiny along with like every other media brand.

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 5>It's like lost its luster.

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's not a lot of times, it

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 3>feels like it's not on trend. I'm thinking about that, Harry,

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:33.600
<v Speaker 3>was it the Hairy Styles cover that was like these

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 3>gender fluid icons or whatever, or like things like that's

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 3>like a kind of that's a superficial example.

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 1>But things like that, I think that was That's what

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>it is.

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Gig insane.

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think it's really interesting. I think that, like,

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I think two things are true. I think that, like

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 1>people have these expectations of Vogue, particularly people who live

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 1>in New York in or hyper online, these expectations of

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Vogue that Vogue is going to be forward thinking because

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>when they were younger, Vogue was forward thinking. But the

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:12.080
<v Speaker 1>thing is, when they were younger, they weren't hyper online,

0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:14.479
<v Speaker 1>and they weren't in New York. They were in South

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Carolina and Oklahoma.

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 3>And with no iPhones, no social media, no nothing, and

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 3>so Vogue.

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Was ahead for them. And I think that the reality

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>is that like for people who are not hyper online

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and who are not in these big cities, Vogue is

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>still ahead.

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:29.680
<v Speaker 5>It's still ahead.

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that like people just have a

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>different because the Internet, people have a different unders like

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:38.920
<v Speaker 1>people who are in these cities who are hyper online

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.600
<v Speaker 1>or like much further than they were, and so they're

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 1>now in the same place that someone in New York

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>is and so they're like, oh, this is so behind. Yeah,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's like, well, Vogue isn't actually for you specifically,

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it's actually like a mass magazine, and so like

0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 1>when people say things like, oh, like I look at

0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 1>American Vogue, and I look at Vogue Talia and British Vogue,

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and like all the other vogues are so further ahead

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>than American Vogue, And it's like, I don't really know

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:08.720
<v Speaker 1>that the average American consumer is thinks that, well, yeah,

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it thinks that or is like as like editorially and

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 1>visually ahead as some of these other places, Like I

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>think I just don't. It's I was talking about this

0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 1>with someone online the other day, but not about vote

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 1>but about another topic. I just think that, Like I

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:26.440
<v Speaker 1>think it's important to really like understand like who the

0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 1>customer of the product is that you're judging. Yeah, I

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:32.360
<v Speaker 1>think that like the line chair of the customer for

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Vogue is not where most of the critics are. That's

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 1>a way of putting it.

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 4>It does feel very in a way kind of like

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Middle America, like it is because that market is so

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 4>much bigger. Like I actually, for Christmas this year got

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 4>a gift of a coffee table book of Vogue images

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 4>and it was like.

0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 1>It was such a mom gift, you know, it was not.

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy.

1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 4>It was like And I also gave a coffee table

1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 4>gift as a as a gift to someone, and I

1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 4>gave them a Jill Sander coffee table book, and I

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 4>was like, Okay, this is like the difference.

1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, these are the two genders.

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm also realizing that maybe even pre dating the Double

1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Wars product is the episode of Sex and the City

1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:27.640
<v Speaker 4>where Carrie goes to Vogue and she drunk. I'm drunk

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.080
<v Speaker 4>at Vogue and she gets paid two dollars and fifty

1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:30.760
<v Speaker 4>cents a word.

1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, never watched Sex and the City. But

1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I do know that you never watched Sex and this stuff.

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>You ever worked somewhere where you got paid per word.

1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.680
<v Speaker 3>We need like a Sex and the City induction program,

1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 3>like we need actually it's just come over to my apartment,

1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:51.600
<v Speaker 3>yehide pay and like there are a lot of people

1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:52.840
<v Speaker 3>who have never seen in the City.

1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:57.480
<v Speaker 5>We look versions we at we at Loretta LLC.

1:00:57.680 --> 1:01:00.880
<v Speaker 3>The name of our business, are here to tell you

1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.240
<v Speaker 3>that if you know someone in need who has never

1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:06.000
<v Speaker 3>seen the sex, I'll give you.

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:09.760
<v Speaker 4>We will give you friends h because there are too

1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:10.640
<v Speaker 4>many people, you see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we will, we will. We we're here to we

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<v Speaker 1>call it mutual aid. Yes, we love a support group.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do want to talk about because I think

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<v Speaker 4>you can't have a conversation about Anna and about Vogue

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<v Speaker 4>without talking about the Met galat.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the Met Gala.

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<v Speaker 4>In recent years has really become something different than I

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of us remember it as being a

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<v Speaker 4>It is the Halloween Adventure, you know, the musical. What

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<v Speaker 4>is What would your dream Met Gala theme be?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I have no clue. I mean I think,

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, think about it, think about it. We

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<v Speaker 1>can come back. What do you think of the What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of this year's theme? The Carl Lagerfeld? Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's whatever. It's like when we have these conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like so important like also acknowledge that like these

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<v Speaker 1>events and like the progression of them do not happen

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum. And so like just like we're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like these are different than we are used to you

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<v Speaker 1>also have to like remember that, like celebrities are very

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<v Speaker 1>different than they used to be, and so like I

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<v Speaker 1>think like some of them like are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and like try these things, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are and like some of like I just

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<v Speaker 1>they that they have a sense of independence in ways

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<v Speaker 1>that like they may not have in the in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because like social media, because of social media,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I don't know, I mean, I it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's always really interesting to me to see the Magala looks.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have a favorite of the past or like

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<v Speaker 5>a fave Metcala look.

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<v Speaker 1>Or at least favorite or a met Gala No not

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<v Speaker 1>to have Mecala. I don't, I mean, I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like I love the exhibits. They're like always really great.

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<v Speaker 1>And then China if it was so good. I still

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<v Speaker 1>think about the McQueen exhibit. Oh my god, that was.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually went the last day it was open, was

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<v Speaker 4>on my birthday, and I went and the line was

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<v Speaker 4>five hours long. And thankfully someone I knew was a

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<v Speaker 4>docent in the museum and saw me in line and

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<v Speaker 4>like plucked me out wow and took me and I

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<v Speaker 4>got to cut the line.

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<v Speaker 3>That was so jealous. That was I never got to

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<v Speaker 3>go because the lines were so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>For that speaking of like sort of like the homonormativity

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<v Speaker 1>of it, all Like I did think it was so

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious when I moved to New York that like if

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<v Speaker 1>gays thought themselves to be fashionable or edgy, they all

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<v Speaker 1>had the Alazon McQueen book.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or the Scar or the scar they have either

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<v Speaker 4>Alzon Queen, Like there's two books for like fashion art gays.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in McQueen. Tom Ford they have one of

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<v Speaker 1>them and then they're there. They're two different types of gays. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you? What are your coffee table books? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of them. Actually I do have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have the China one. Okay, that's I have a

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<v Speaker 1>tom Ford book. But also actually on the coffee table

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<v Speaker 1>is none of those books. On the coffee table is

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<v Speaker 1>a door book, which is a fashion book. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I also have a tom Finlin book, which is I

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<v Speaker 1>need two of them? Are me?

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<v Speaker 4>That is you I need some more porn for my

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<v Speaker 4>coffee table. I do have two DVDs that I picked

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<v Speaker 4>up in the desert. Twink Light is on my coffee

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever the I think, like the some bisexual porn one.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to know that you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking for some more of porn.

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<v Speaker 1>That is my you know category.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I also have a Vivian Westwood coffee table book.

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<v Speaker 4>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>What else is there?

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<v Speaker 4>There's like, oh, I have the Sex and the City

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<v Speaker 4>books that's bound in pink faux crocodile skin.

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<v Speaker 1>Antoine's book that is actually on my coffee table. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for the listeners. It's The Black Black Guard. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great photography book. But you were talking about DVD's.

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<v Speaker 4>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I own like four.

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<v Speaker 5>DVDs and like vintage porn DVDs.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, just DVD's period. And three of

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<v Speaker 1>them are born. No, just kidding, I mean they're not far.

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<v Speaker 1>They're Andy Warhol films. They are the Joe dallas Andro trilogy. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the pornographic one? The one they're they're the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that were there. That's why I was like, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not born, but.

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<v Speaker 4>But they were.

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<v Speaker 5>They were banned because they were pornographic, right, Oh, I

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<v Speaker 5>have no clue.

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<v Speaker 1>And I took a fucking Warhol in film class when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in college and fell in love with those

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<v Speaker 1>in my hustler too, And so then I was dating

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<v Speaker 1>someone and he knew that I was such a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then he because I watched one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he bought me all three of them. And

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<v Speaker 1>then my other film was Oh, j Edgar, j Edgar.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about j Edgar Hoover, but it's like the gay storyline.

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<v Speaker 1>What's his name? Armie Hammer I think plays his lover

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<v Speaker 1>the gag there's a gay our favorite. I love Armie Hammer.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to get a DVD player so I can

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<v Speaker 4>watch twink Light. I've also been considering getting the double

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<v Speaker 4>vhs of Titanic to have on my coffee table.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's the way. I have Endless Frank Oceans DVD.

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<v Speaker 1>I bought that. I don't have a DVD player, so

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<v Speaker 1>I just have all these DVDs, like for Clout, they're

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<v Speaker 1>art that what they call par exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I have not actually read a lot of these coffee

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<v Speaker 3>table books.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for me, coffee table No.

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<v Speaker 4>The Vivian Westwood book I have is when my friend

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<v Speaker 4>got me for my birthday and when he came over

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<v Speaker 4>to my apartments, heute, He's like, oh, have you read this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's a coffee table book, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>on the table. I haven't cracked my Tom of Finland.

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<v Speaker 1>I have that, like so my friend Ron Takman love

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<v Speaker 1>you bought it for me and it's like the double

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<v Speaker 1>lexcel book.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not this one. It's the double cell one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think the double XL because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the small books are actually like sections of this book,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like the full big book. And I refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to open it because I'm like, I know the second

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<v Speaker 1>that I open it, I'm not gonna I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep opening and those pages are going to get sticky.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about, but like I can just like

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<v Speaker 1>see like smudges and like the spine, and like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm going to have to buy.

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<v Speaker 3>Coffee table books are not meant to be read right there.

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<v Speaker 3>Just sit there and put coasters on your coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>You coasters on. Someone put up coaster on my Tom

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<v Speaker 1>with the then book and I told them to get out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, get oh, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Do it all the time with my Vimy and Western

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<v Speaker 4>one and that's bound in tweed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how they got to wear badly. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>just decided I'm going to buy another Tom of Fine

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll open that one.

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<v Speaker 3>The anti Leibowitz coffee table book that was I think

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<v Speaker 3>given to me because I asked for it on like

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<v Speaker 3>a middle probably at middle school. High school birthday was

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<v Speaker 3>also bound in tweed. And let me tell you it

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<v Speaker 3>was nice and I did read through it even though

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really understand a lot of was that's actually

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<v Speaker 3>something that I think is interesting about, like the Vogue

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<v Speaker 3>industrial complex and its relationship to people that are not

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<v Speaker 3>in New York or like not regular consumers, like fashion culture,

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<v Speaker 3>like in fashion capitals. Is that like I was fully

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<v Speaker 3>subscribing to something that I actually did not know anything

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<v Speaker 3>about because of yes, and the brand is an allure

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<v Speaker 3>of that thrives and makes money off of, for lack

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<v Speaker 3>of a better word, exclusivity. Like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>make vogues like as insidious is like, because that's just

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<v Speaker 3>too easy.

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<v Speaker 1>But like it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like there is a kind of like you don't understand this,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't have this. This is a world beyond yours,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why everyone wants to Yeah, you don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>why these two belts look different. You don't understand why,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't understand who these designers are, and yet I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be a part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't really know who any Leewits was.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you cannot fashionable in high school.

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<v Speaker 5>No, not really, but I probably was voted most fashionable and.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the in the yearbook.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it literally is just like that class bagage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>class Yeah. And I wore a Juicy Gutur sweatsuit. Harry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to have a Juicy Gutur sweatsuit and now

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<v Speaker 3>grew in and gave it away.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, two thousand and six, what else was to

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<v Speaker 1>wear that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the pinnacle of fashion in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 3>Juicy Tour. Absolutely, But just remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Vogue, like I think that like vogue

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<v Speaker 1>selling point was that there is this like world that

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't excess, that you can't understand that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't all these things, and we are your window into that,

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<v Speaker 1>the gateway, your gay way. And so I think that

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<v Speaker 1>like that is what they have kind of like leverage

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<v Speaker 1>is like the whole brand. And back to a point

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't think I actually addressed that Rose is

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<v Speaker 1>making like or maybe it was your friends, that like

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue has kind of like fallen out of favor or

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<v Speaker 1>like try or whatever. And I think part of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that has been happening is because there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many other windows now and so you don't need Vogue

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<v Speaker 1>to be that window. And so like like Vogue obviously

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<v Speaker 1>like did not do their transition to digital. Well, like

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<v Speaker 1>the girls are catching up, they are their paywall scenario

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<v Speaker 1>is not right. Well, they have a lot of issues,

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<v Speaker 1>like because like back in the day, like Vogue was

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<v Speaker 1>like the spot where like people would go but like

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<v Speaker 1>particularly for like exclusive and all that stuff, like even

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<v Speaker 1>pr but like now it feels like people go to

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue to say they were in Vogue because that has

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<v Speaker 1>a cultural cachet, but they don't go there to reach

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<v Speaker 1>the consumer.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you go to vote and so like no,

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<v Speaker 4>you can go directly, you can do all these other things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like when people get a cover of Vogue,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more so about like I'm on Vogue again, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if Rihanna gets another cover of Vogue, it's about Rihanna's

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<v Speaker 1>on Vogue. When Cardi b had her I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's rarely, I think you rarely hear people talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the story. It's more about the cultural cachet of like

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<v Speaker 1>simply being on or in Vogue. Like even I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even listen to him, but I know this lyric because

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote about someone in teen Vogue and then they

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<v Speaker 1>use the lyric for a caption, but like Drake has

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<v Speaker 1>that song and he says like, are you a model

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't been in Vogue?

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<v Speaker 4>Yea?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean like it's that that is

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural cachet of it all, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue also unders stand that today that like it's literally

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<v Speaker 1>like and that's what they have at this moment, is

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<v Speaker 1>like it is the cultural cachet of just simply being

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<v Speaker 1>like related to the brand as opposed to like people

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<v Speaker 1>you know, actually reading.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's like the whole thing that happened with that

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<v Speaker 4>new HBO show The Idol where Rolling Stone wrote this

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<v Speaker 4>story about how it's like this really embattled production and

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<v Speaker 4>like a lot of shit is going wrong with it

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<v Speaker 4>because of San Levinson in the weekend, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>Weekend like as an Own posted a clip from the

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<v Speaker 4>show of them basically talking about how irrelevant Rolling Stone

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<v Speaker 4>is in the show, and it's like not really quite

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<v Speaker 4>the own that he thinks it is, because in the

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<v Speaker 4>scene he who in the show, he's like this cult

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<v Speaker 4>leader and he is saying to this pop Stars publicist, like,

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<v Speaker 4>what's the point of her being in Rolling Stone she

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<v Speaker 4>has like ten times the Instagram followers that Rolling Stone has.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, the point he's missing is there is still

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<v Speaker 4>that cultural cachet to for a rock star or a

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<v Speaker 4>pop star to being on the cover of Rolling Stone

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<v Speaker 4>that you can't just having a lot of followers is

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<v Speaker 4>not the same thing as validation. It is exactly a

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<v Speaker 4>validated So it's a it's also that's what it is, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a validation of those ten million followers. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's putting you in conversation with all these people with

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<v Speaker 4>the legacy of the people who have been on the cover, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is why I was gonna let this sit, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going back to it. Yeah, you mentioned Annie Leibovitz, and

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<v Speaker 1>like all the discourses, that's why. That's what all the

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<v Speaker 1>discourse around Annie Leibovitz like doesn't understand, is that a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the thing with the images that Annie creates,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why she keeps getting booked, is it's partially

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<v Speaker 1>because people want to be associated with having an Ani photo.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to be in conversation with the canon of

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<v Speaker 1>images that she has taken.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, sorry, no, that's honest.

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<v Speaker 3>On a conversation of like covers in general, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the three of us like might have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of opinions.

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<v Speaker 5>On people also don't understand why people are on the cover.

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<v Speaker 3>Like most of the time, it's like there's so many

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<v Speaker 3>different like political and financial like mechanations that go into

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<v Speaker 3>why someone is on the cover, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times there are like six or seven people that were

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<v Speaker 3>reached out to first.

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<v Speaker 1>Before that cover, are booked before that cover. I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>those conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>We've heard those conversations, and it's like that when when

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<v Speaker 3>covers come out and people were like, well, why this person,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, actually, there's seven hundred reasons why this person

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<v Speaker 3>isn't usually.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there were like five people who weren't available or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of the time, or also it's just

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<v Speaker 3>because of something political or something deeply internal to Vogue

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever magazine that where it's just like the editor

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<v Speaker 3>had a relationship with this person or this person you

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<v Speaker 3>know has been on doc for a really long time,

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<v Speaker 3>or like I'm thinking about like when Rue had her

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<v Speaker 3>cover or whatever and was like everyone was like finally,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like most people don't know that, sorry alloydedly that

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<v Speaker 3>Ru had been asked to do a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cover of Vogue for like been on the cover of Vogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought he was on the cover. No, no, no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a spread and that was this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, the Nuance, but that was the Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Kardashian cover. The camp also was scrutinized. It was scrutinized

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<v Speaker 1>because people were like, Roue should have been on this cover. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why, that's why, that's why it was a camp.

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<v Speaker 1>And the shoot looked like it could have been a

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<v Speaker 1>cover and it was. It was. It was the camp

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<v Speaker 1>like it was for that exhibit, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the photo of Kim was like this, like she what

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's like wet hair or something like is

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<v Speaker 1>this camp or whatever? The fuck?

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<v Speaker 5>It's like it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But so then like that story with Rue is I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's so hilarious, which also was shot by Annie,

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<v Speaker 1>But did you like read the story which she.

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<v Speaker 5>Like about how she tried to get her and he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, take off the crown and Ru was like no,

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, it's a whole different thing. If I

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<v Speaker 1>take off the crown, I'm not taking off.

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<v Speaker 3>The But apparently Ru had been asked to be on

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<v Speaker 3>Vogue many many times and declined. Same thing with SNL

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<v Speaker 3>and Rue had been asked to be on SNL MA anytime.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably I mean with Ru. Rue is also like

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<v Speaker 1>even before social media and like people were like and

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<v Speaker 1>more celebrities became more independent and like would say no

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<v Speaker 1>and decline. Rue would. Rue was very specific about, like

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<v Speaker 1>the ways in which she wanted to be portrayed and

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<v Speaker 1>on what platforms. So for example, I could see Ru

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<v Speaker 1>being like, I'm not doing Vogue in this track or

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to do it like you know, this way,

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<v Speaker 1>and like them being like, well no, we want control,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ru being like that's great, We're just not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? Yeah, she's always from

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding is it for a very long time she

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<v Speaker 1>has been very specific about like what she will and

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<v Speaker 1>will not do, and if she doesn't think it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>she just won't do it. As much like Anna.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, honestly, Ruin and Anna are very similar.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, like you think they've explored each other's body. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I am fascinating. I would be fascinated to hear the

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<v Speaker 3>conversations that have probably had that have been had between

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<v Speaker 3>them at least at some point in time. But like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's they're like, if us, if it's about control with Rue,

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<v Speaker 3>about not wanting to do it, if it's not about that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's like Ru's like, oh, I'm sorry, Vogue, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very busy being the host of a game show, a

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<v Speaker 3>live Tic tac toe game show, and that is actually

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<v Speaker 3>more worth my time higher episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we should.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point we will wait, have you ever met

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<v Speaker 3>have you ever met Anna?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I interviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, wait, what can you so without disclosing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>is h without disclosing any details.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to?

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<v Speaker 5>What was the experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you wear?

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, I don't remember, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 3>I literally do not remember.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, I don't. I don't. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I wore my like blazer, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I know I wore a wide trouser. Did I wear

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<v Speaker 1>the black version of this? I think I wore like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing jack Miss trousers now, and I probably wore

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<v Speaker 1>like the black version of these. They're like these wide

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<v Speaker 1>leg trouser. I'm pretty sure I wore that and like

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<v Speaker 1>a blazer, but I mean it was fine. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that like I've always been told she's extremely straightforward,

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<v Speaker 1>straight to the point, and she is. I walk in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's with her seven assistants, No, just one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they reach out to me like and we're like, hi,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like looking for someone for this role. We were.

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<v Speaker 1>Anna was told that like you would be good for it,

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<v Speaker 1>she would like to meet with you. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've been summoned. No, that's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like a summoning. It's meant to feel like

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<v Speaker 3>a summoning. They do that on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>And I emailed because they understand it and yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>so like I I think I emailed something. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's okay or something. And they were like

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<v Speaker 1>this day this time.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like yes, yes, yes, doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>So then you're like canceling, like you like nephews like

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<v Speaker 3>bar Mits or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I'm sorry my birthday. So I go into

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting. She she wasn't in there, like someone that

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<v Speaker 1>came brought me and sat me down, this like very

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<v Speaker 1>nondescript from not her office. And she comes in. I

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<v Speaker 1>shook her hen she has her sunglasses on, she has

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<v Speaker 1>her resume.

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<v Speaker 4>My resume she has.

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<v Speaker 1>Printed out scary and I had brought it just in

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<v Speaker 1>case because I was like, she's an older no offense,

1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:24.000
<v Speaker 1>she's an older lay fast, no fash. Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>just like she probably would like to see. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm not gonna assume that she looked at

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<v Speaker 1>it already. And so she sits down and the first

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<v Speaker 1>question she asks me is literally I'm not gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>the exactly, but she's like, oh, I see that this

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<v Speaker 1>is not on your resume. Like the background check.

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<v Speaker 3>That I did on you doesn't quite light her up

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<v Speaker 3>with the things that are on this is that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of No.

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<v Speaker 1>She was basically saying, like, this skill that is needed

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<v Speaker 1>for this job resented on your resume. She was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do have your sniffiest profile there, and so

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<v Speaker 1>like like that was the first It wasn't like was

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting fifteen minutes? No, no, no, we I think

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<v Speaker 1>we were in there for like forty. They did tell

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<v Speaker 1>me that it was going to be like everybody was like, oh,

1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:12.559
<v Speaker 1>it'll be very abbreviated, but it was.

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<v Speaker 3>But Anna decides how long it is, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:17.040
<v Speaker 3>And you go in assuming that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes. Yeah, she believes that most meeting should be

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I assume that it was gonna be a fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty minute meeting. We got in there, it was

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like thirty or forty, which was

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<v Speaker 1>like I was like, oh, maybe I did like fine,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I thought that I completely bombed it because

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<v Speaker 1>she like at the end she was like, oh, can

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<v Speaker 1>you do this thing for me? And I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>just like did that out of habit and like whatever.

1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:42.479
<v Speaker 1>But then I had to talk to like the head

1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:45.439
<v Speaker 1>of people or hr there and they were like, no,

1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>if Anna didn't like you, she would have asked you

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<v Speaker 1>to do nothing. Yeah, she would have said, they would

1:20:50.520 --> 1:20:51.760
<v Speaker 1>have gotten back to you.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're asked for a material, Yeah, she was. He

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<v Speaker 3>was like, Sarah asked you to do a thing for her.

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<v Speaker 3>Then like you're still thing. She was like, you're still

1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:02.960
<v Speaker 3>very much in She's like she's not going to waste

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<v Speaker 3>her time looking at a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You did you were you nervous?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I was extremely nervous. So what did you what was

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<v Speaker 1>like your body?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, how did do you remember anything about like how

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<v Speaker 3>you felt or like when you walked out and you're

1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:15.360
<v Speaker 3>like I bombed that, Like what else from the experience

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<v Speaker 3>can you glean from her mannerisms or like.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean she just wears the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like this little dress, like.

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<v Speaker 4>She wears the same like kind of Flora's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah most of the yeah. And so she looked great,

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<v Speaker 1>she looked she looked very much like the That's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is like it's not like she gets in this

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<v Speaker 1>caricature when she like goes she every day with the

1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:47.839
<v Speaker 1>shades and so like thinking about that, I was dagging

1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>about was I was like, she's really in this interview

1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:52.559
<v Speaker 1>with these shades. I was gagging.

1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about that clip of her when that that

1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:56.080
<v Speaker 3>woman asked her for her.

1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I d outside of the car or whatever she was.

1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:04.080
<v Speaker 3>She was like like you no wait, Michel came to

1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:07.280
<v Speaker 3>the studio with no idea, which like everybody, I you

1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:09.760
<v Speaker 3>were any character girl, you were you were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm saying, I never go anywhere with an I

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<v Speaker 1>D like you are winter unless I'm going to a club.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why do I I need papers?

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<v Speaker 3>The virgin and the virgins can't see you right now,

1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.080
<v Speaker 3>but you are wearing like wrap around chanelle shades and.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, a bob like this is a way to

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<v Speaker 4>sort of like wrap up, like, what is your your

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<v Speaker 4>Anna Wintour look like I was when you solidify the

1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:40.520
<v Speaker 4>fran look that you want to be burned into people's memories?

1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:41.439
<v Speaker 4>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I ever have a uniform?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you all know, like when we work together, I

1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:47.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, wore all black. It was a very easy

1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:50.240
<v Speaker 3>way to make Zara look expensive. It was a very

1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:53.839
<v Speaker 3>easy way to you know, not let people see my outfit,

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<v Speaker 3>not to judge me based on what I was wearing.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're also colorblind, yes, and I'm colorblind. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, you know, a layer of things that I

1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:00.640
<v Speaker 3>don't have to worry about in the more. And like

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<v Speaker 3>also like with editors, like our day starts at like

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<v Speaker 3>six or seven, and so it's just like I don't,

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<v Speaker 3>like my brain didn't have the capacity to like put

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<v Speaker 3>an outfit together. Since then, I am now have ENUF

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<v Speaker 3>for raid into color, And I don't know what my

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<v Speaker 3>uniform is. I am like a kind of big, big pants,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny top kind of girl, which is like basic, basic

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<v Speaker 3>and tiktoki.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if I necessarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a uniform now, But I would like to you

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<v Speaker 3>have a uniform, I tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of do, and I kind of don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think that if I was like a like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I yeah, I love a very I like

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<v Speaker 1>a wide leg trouser. I like a smaller top, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I like a huge coat over it all because

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<v Speaker 1>like I kind of love the idea and like I

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<v Speaker 1>love like something that's a little bit a line when

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<v Speaker 1>like you have the coat on, because I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>love the idea of being like completely ensconced in this

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<v Speaker 1>thing and like people can't really like tell what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with the figure. And then my the reveal of

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<v Speaker 1>like no, this is bigger, you just see this waste.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also like everything below the waist is like

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<v Speaker 1>quite imorphously because it's this huge trouser, but like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like this small torso like waste. And then like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great silhouette, which is hilarious because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like the silhouette of like having a long skirt

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<v Speaker 1>like a woman. But that's what I've always like really

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<v Speaker 1>been obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 3>But you, I mean, you look great in an oversized

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<v Speaker 3>fit and also like wearing all black witch you frequently

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<v Speaker 3>do like forces you to just think about silhouettes, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is like texture. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 3>on the like fashion and styling front. The thing that

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<v Speaker 3>like most people don't understand when they're like putting an

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<v Speaker 3>outfit together or styling themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like it's like the silhouette matters a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, particularly yeah, if you take especially if you take

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<v Speaker 1>color out of this situation, it doesn't matter a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And like even this, like I love like little things

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<v Speaker 1>that are like because if you generally were all black,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a few like colored pieces in it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they do a lot of work. So like today

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<v Speaker 1>I have one like black shoes like this black polo,

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<v Speaker 1>this black huge overcoat from Acne, and these like green

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<v Speaker 1>jacquesess like wide leg trousers, and the effect when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>walking down the street and i have my coat on

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<v Speaker 1>because the code so long, it's like you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>see the whole trouser. You see like five inches of

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<v Speaker 1>the trouser. But it's like a little skirts little people.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's also like when I'm walking, like if

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<v Speaker 1>the co opens, you see these flashes of green of

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<v Speaker 1>and like I think about that, I'm like I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>that's so shiite, Like I'm literally walking down thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the effect that it's having up like, oh yeah, you're

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