1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: And those people bring back double collar polos. Nowhere to God, 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: She's sheen. I'm me no ma, no my name Yo? 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: What is your childng Da? 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I am a cook, choky? 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: What's going down the floor? 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: Like round? 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: Welcome to like a vision the show where we give 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 4: yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose DomU and I'm 9 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 4: Fran Toronto. And Fran, you are serving Carlina lagerfeldt and 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 4: I'm serving the fat person in sweatpants she wants dead. 11 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: And you know what, I love that about us. 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: We the virgins have to know that that is a 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: joke at the expense of Carl Lagerfeld. And we will 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: continue to make those because. 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 4: I hope he's rotting and. 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: I hope he's rotting in now. That's the thing. 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: That's the thing about this met gala and and what 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: we're gonna, you know, chit chat quickly about is that, 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: Like I feel like, overwhelmingly, at least on our timelines, 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: maybe not everyone else's timelines, the discourse was around like 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: Carl Lagerfeld being like a fat, phobic, racist, like mean person, 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: and I was like, Diva, that's everybody at the top 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: of every industry, running every industry, Like that's what this 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: all runs on. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: Like, Wow, I am loving this from you because you 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: are usually I'm giving you will you are you are? 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: You are me today you're cosplaying. Not only is Karlina 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: lagerfel roseam you. I love that you are anti discourse 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: today because yeah, I agree. It's like saying someone in 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 4: the fashion industry bucks is like maybe the most boring 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: thing you can say. 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of is. 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: I think throughout that while we were watching last night, 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: I think I I was at times frustrated about how 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: the people that I was seeing talk about Carl are 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: people that like aren't in fashion. Sorry, Like and if 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: you don't know anything about fashion and you don't know 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: Carl's influence on fashion, like you don't really know how 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: to talk about it, Like you might as well like 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: be complaining about how like Michael Jackson ruined pop music 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: or what it's like. It doesn't matter if like you 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: don't like Michael Jackson, Like yes, like Michael Jackson is 43 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 3: a pedophile, but he also invented pop music. 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Allegedly, Yeah is that alleged? 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: Still it's still alleged. 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: Oh that's news to me. 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: Anyway, we're talking about how stupid it is to do 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: discourse about carlography here we are kind of engaging in it, 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: but I'm really I'm really struck by. I got my 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: eyebrows wax yesterday and they're slaying a little bit. They 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 4: look really good. 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: And you know what else looks really good today, Rose, 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: Something that you know the virgins at home can't see, 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: but maybe they'll see on our social or something. Is 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: this gor Jean and Boilin inspired necklace A la ugly 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: Betty that a one rosedami. 57 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: You did buy me for my birthday. 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: And it's not a competition buying presents for birthdays, but 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: if it was, Rose Domio did win. 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: Let's just say that it is the first Tuesday in May, 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: and as you were listening to this episode, it is 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: the first Thursday in May. So I'm sure you were 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: all very sick and tired of Met Gala coverage and opinions, 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: but you're going to hear a little bit of ours, 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: and we will try to keep it light and fun 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 4: and fancy free. We did gather to watch the Red 67 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: Carpet last night. It was a lot longer than I. 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: Expected it to be, also way more fun than I thought, 69 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Like you know, like I think you and I had 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: really expectations, Like, you know, we were just like, oh, 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: you know, we'll like order something like I had fun. 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: I had a good time. I mean it was exactly 73 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: what I expected, which was you Laurel and I sitting 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: on my couch just on Twitter, in my same space. Yeah. 75 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: But as far as the actual carpet and fashion, look, listen, listen, 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: I want to give a disclaimer. I'm not a fashion girlie. 77 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 4: I consider myself somewhat fashion adjacent. I like to consume, 78 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: I like, you know, like shoes whatever. I'm like literally 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: sitting here wearing a gross hoodie that hasn't been washed 80 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: in maybe a full calendar year. But you know, I 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: still have my opinions, and I think generally this was 82 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: an underwhelming Megala fashion wise, but I think a lot 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 4: of that is due to the theme. And just like 84 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 4: as I was saying to Phoebe before you got on here, 85 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: like I'm not even really that excited about seeing this 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: met exhibit because I just think out of the whole world, 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: car Lagerfeld, from my uneducated point of view, is just 88 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: very boring and like not the type of design that 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: I am drawn to, and that was very much reflected 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: on the Red Carpet last night, with a few exceptions. 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: M yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm also I don't 92 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: consider myself a fashion girly. I like to think myself 93 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: as a style girly. And I think that styling good distinction. Yes, 94 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: And I think that styling is usually what wins the Metgala. 95 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: I think that how you pull an outfit together, how 96 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: you accessorize, how you create the fantasy is is really 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: how you win instead of like recreating a runway look 98 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: or just wearing something that's lowed for the sake of it. 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: I think that I don't know, so I've also I've 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: been seeing a lot. 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: Of people be like this is like such a you know, 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: this like Met Gala theme like sucks or whatever, and 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: like every year someone's gonna say, like the Megala theme sucks. 104 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: I actually think unfortunately, and I've been thinking about this, 105 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: I think that this was a really good mechala and 106 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: I and I know I'm thinking about years. I thought 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: that Camp Mechcala was amazing. I know, every there were 108 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: so many people that were like rotted, horrible whatever, but 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: like I have so much fun watching people have fun 110 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: and go all the way out. And the thing about 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: a mechala theme like camp is that it's open to interpretation. 112 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: You can wear any designer you want and like cater 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: it to your style. And I think that that was 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: something that lent itself to a lot of fun on 115 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: the red carpet. And I think that's also something that's 116 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: true about Carl is that, yes, like Carl in Channel 117 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: and in his other work, like created uniforms, created things 118 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: that you know, we're black and white, created things that 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: were like classic, and so there's a really boring way 120 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: to do that. But I did love that because it's 121 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: such a there's such a wide way to interpret Carl 122 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: that everyone did get to kind of showcase their personality. 123 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: Like we saw like kind of the best of how 124 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: people could dress in a black and white ensemble or 125 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: in like a classic feminine silhouette that I. 126 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: Thought, you know, it was kind of fun. 127 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: And yeah, I think I dur in the in the 128 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: moment last night, I was like I was like, like, 129 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: what's like, what's cool here? What's not cool here? And 130 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: like and at the end of the day, I was like, 131 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: this is fun. Like this this I think everyone kind 132 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: of like did a really good job and to me, 133 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: not a ton of like worse dressed, but did you 134 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: have something dressed? 135 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: Should we start there? 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with the bad ones. I I mean 137 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: this not like horrible, huge mega flap doo doo cock guy. 138 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: But considering how I don't always love what she wears, 139 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: but she usually does, especially for the past couple of 140 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: bat galas she has turned it out, I thought Lizzo 141 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: was disappointing. Yes, extremely boring and like also a good 142 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: instance of like. The only things that saved her were 143 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: the styling, like her hair was great. There were not 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: enough updues on the carpet last night, and also not 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: enough hats, and Carl Lagerfeldt was very much a hat person. 146 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: And the fact that like Dua Lipa wore that fucking 147 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: Chanelle bride dress and didn't wear the little balo and 148 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: hat that was worn with it on the runway, We're pointing, like, 149 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: you know, it's giving like a lane stretching company, does 150 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: nobody wear a hat or whatever the line is. 151 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: With the Dua look, Like if Dua had worn not 152 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: just the tiny hat that comes with that look, but 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: like six more hats stacked on top of that hat, 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like that's actually I think 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: Janelle Mona did a version of that for the Mecca 156 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: if here. But like my point is, like, you know, 157 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: take it to the next level, Like I totally agree 158 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: with that. And also like Coco, Chanelle famously wore that 159 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: like boater hat like that, like that Audrey Heppern also 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: wore like there were no boater hats. I also, honestly, 161 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: I mean so esoteric, but like it would have been 162 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: really cool even though this isn't Carl but it is Chanelle. 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: If someone had done like an interpretation on like the 164 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: Little Black Dress, you know what I mean, which like 165 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: if there's like an avant garde way to do the 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: little Little Black dress, Like I think that would have 167 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: been like something kind of fun and interesting. But yeah, Lizzo, Lizzo, 168 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: I think like it was like the pearls should have 169 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: been smaller, and like the way the pearls draped on 170 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: her just it didn't look well as well tailored as 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: it could have. 172 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: It was very it was very matronly. Yeah, matronly. 173 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: There was a lot of tailoring issues on the runway up. 174 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: Margot Robbie, one of the most beautiful women in the 175 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 3: like in Hollywood. 176 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: I'm like so tired with talking about it at this point, 177 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: as I as I tweeted, it's like she's allergic to surveying. Yes, 178 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: And I'm so worried about the Barbie scenario we have 179 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 4: coming this summer. She just like everyone is like, oh, 180 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: it's her style, so it's her, Like Chanelle Contract, I 181 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 4: think she just has bad taste. 182 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: I think she definitely has bad taste. You can't you can't, 183 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: you're you allow these things to put on your body 184 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: that is still a taste level. And with Margot Robbie, 185 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: like that dress was a recreation of something from like 186 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: the sixties, which is even. 187 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: More of an issue. 188 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: And and and also Emma Chamberlain in that like, I 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: still don't know who. 190 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: Emma Chamberlain is. I don't know who. It doesn't right, 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: you don't need to, you know. I mean I thought Emma. 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: I thought Emma Chamberlain was fine. It was she was 193 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: wearing Mumeu and it was a very mu Meu look it. 194 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: I don't think she needed to do an outfit change. 195 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: But whatever I thought, Lolana's ex was a let down. 196 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: It was just not a good execution of trying to 197 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 4: do a shoe pette look. It just like it didn't 198 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: read for me, and it just was like confusing and 199 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 4: it was actually it was kind of an annoying look. Honestly, Yeah, okay, 200 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: it was obnoxious. So if you saw the other photos 201 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: of lil Na's wearing like this fit, he had like 202 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: a huge white fur coat on top of it. And 203 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: I think on the styling level, that actually would have 204 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: like brought the look closer to like where it needed 205 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: to be, like on the level that it needed to be. 206 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: But I think that he took the coat off after 207 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: like Doja Cat beat him to the red carpet because 208 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 4: they didn't want to have like these kind of like 209 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: same same like cat looks or whatever. And or maybe 210 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 4: he wasn't wearing fur well, maybe did Jared leto get 211 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: there first, like something happened. Maybe he was just hot. 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe I think he just wanted to 213 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 4: like walk around feeling his like silver pussy fantasy and that. 214 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: And if that's true, that's the problem because Divadal was 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: dressed for battle him, like she was not dressed for 216 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: the met gala, and I. 217 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: Was like, if you if you look like you know 218 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: a fagat Pride. That's not fashion. And if the only 219 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: garments you're wearing our like heels and underwear, like they 220 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: better be the best fucking heels and the best fucking 221 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: underwear I've ever seen, and like zero, the cereals were 222 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: really cute and I loved how they looked, but like, 223 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if that was the shoe for the look, 224 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: and then the underwear didn't like contours, ass it wasn't 225 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: really special. 226 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: It's actually kind of the opposite problem is what we 227 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: were talking about before. It's like too much styling and 228 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 4: yeah enough look, yes, too much Like this is a 229 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: fashion event, you should be I think, wearing a garment. 230 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be wearing a garment. 231 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: Or to honor a designer or designed things. Yeah, yeah whatever. 232 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: I don't need to like dwell on the little nose 233 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: of it all. 234 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: But let's talk about what we liked. 235 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: Let's yeah, vibes, posy vibes. 236 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 4: Okay, my number one, well, actually I think tied for 237 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: number one of the night, and on very different ends 238 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: of the spectrum were MICHAELA. Cole and Sciparelli like that 239 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: like insane gold beaded dress to the foot, the like 240 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 4: perfectly molded foot shoes incredible. And then on the other 241 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 4: side of things and halfway mother mother Sleigh in in 242 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: custom Versace like tweed Versace, like really like Versace doing 243 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: Chanel in such an incredible way, and like Anne on 244 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 4: the like on the total flip side from Margot Robie, 245 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: like Anne has Eileen coming out of the end of 246 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: this year and she has been slowly ramping up her 247 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: fashion SNAr fantasy and like it can only get better 248 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: from here. 249 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: I Mikhaela Cole. 250 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 3: Her fit was like a perfect example of like how 251 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: you can interpret Carl anyway you want, and like the 252 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: ornate like kind of details of her dress with like 253 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: the little lipsticks and the little homages to Carl. It's 254 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: like the look looks nothing like Carl, but like if 255 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 3: you zoom in, it's Carl, you know what I mean, 256 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 3: Like that's. 257 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: How you do it. 258 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 3: It was so smart and I just Skiparelli's like one 259 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: of my favorite you know designers to like behold and 260 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: look at you know, so how could it be bad? 261 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: But like Anne, does she have like a new stylist 262 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: or something everything in the last she doesn't. 263 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: She doesn't have a new stylist, but she did do. 264 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 4: I think a Hollywood Reporter story with her stylist somewhat 265 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: recently in which they said that they basically just decided 266 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: to do this new era and just like ramp everything 267 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: up to another level, and that she's like having the 268 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: most fun she's ever had dressing and it really shows 269 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: and all of the work she's been doing, specifically with Versace, 270 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: which she is a face of. She's servant cunt and 271 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: that's just it is what it is. Who were your 272 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: favorites of the night? 273 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely was at the top of my list 274 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: in terms of like, oh like unexpected, perfectly executed, stunning, 275 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: gorg my favorites of the night. I think we're just 276 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: everybody's favorites. I uh, you know, best dressed is always Rihanna. 277 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: Even this year, you thought. 278 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: One hundred and ten percent. I thought she was gonna 279 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: skip the carpet, which she kind of did. She skipped 280 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: the broadcast. She did the same thing last year, right exactly. 281 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: I thought that because she wasn't gonna do it, I 282 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: was like, oh, maybe she's like not pulling a stunt 283 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: as much, and like last year, I felt like her 284 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: carpet was fine. This year, I when her look was revealed, Rose, 285 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: I was in my apartment like laugh like I had 286 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: this like grin on my face. I was like laughing 287 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: like crazy, like I thought it was fashion genius, like 288 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: at its finest. And I know it's such an uninteresting 289 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: and like uh shallow take to be like Rihanna won 290 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: the mat Gala, but like I do think that this 291 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,359 Speaker 3: looks specifically is emblematic of like what is her genius 292 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: in this fashion world? At a pay homage with Karl 293 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: with these white flowers in a way that was like 294 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: better than how Bunny did it, even though like bad 295 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: Bunny was so good like and also. 296 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: Oh his slutty sluttyosed back. It was for me. 297 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: Rihanna with the sunglasses that with the Chanelle eyelashes on 298 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: the sunglasses, like that was it for me. I was like, 299 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: it was so great to stop styled like so perfectly executed. 300 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: I loved. 301 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: Obviously, Cardi's always best dressed, like that's obvious for me. 302 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: I have some sleeper hits, which I guess I'll get into, 303 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: But like, what were some of your other favorites? Nicole, 304 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: of course, wearing her two thousand and four Chanelle perfume 305 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: ad dress. I also really liked Jenna Ortega in Tom Brown. 306 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 4: I thought she looked beautiful. I love a saddle shoe 307 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: and she was wearing like a heeled Oxford saddle shoe. 308 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: Thought she looked great. Gigi Hadid, who I have like recently, 309 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: like started to after watching her host Next in Fashion, 310 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: and then Doja cat Her and Michaela would be my 311 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: top three of the night because Doja, it like is 312 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 4: in a way a very simple look and it it 313 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 4: is on theme and it's like gaggy without being overwhelmingly 314 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: cost to me, like the cat prosthetics are still fashion, 315 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 4: which I think. 316 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: Is exactly and I felt like it. 317 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: I thought Rihanna and Doja did something of the same 318 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 3: thing where they took a kind of over the topness 319 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: and then also elevated it with like an understatement, you 320 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like I felt like it was 321 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: perfectly balanced, perfectly accessorized. Yeah, I mean, bad Bunny, I thought, 322 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: was I know, so you said something very astute yesterday, 323 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: which is that you know, men don't enter the list 324 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: because men are just in a different category that don't 325 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: need to be evaluated or should be evaluated. 326 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: It's a different scale. 327 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't include scale that Bunny really was like 328 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: one of the best stressed for me, at least in 329 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: the mentory department, if not like kind of in like 330 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: my top list of like things that I remember just 331 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: because the exposed back was so smart. 332 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 4: Jakamu was so smart. 333 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: Pedro Pascal looked amazing, I thought, like with the other 334 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 3: guys that did well, I thought Brian Tyree Henry, And 335 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: I also thought Diddy was like so classically Diddy. I 336 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: feel so grateful for like things that he brings to fashion. 337 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 4: Okay, let's move. 338 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, okay, so none to men's ware. 339 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: Kristen Stewart, I thought, oh, actually, sometimes she's kind of 340 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 4: like hey mama's, Hey mama's love being representations as friend 341 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: of the podcast Blyth the Marks said. 342 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: I literally just learned what a hey Mama's what a 343 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: hey mama's lesbian is And oh damn, I love Yeah, 344 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: Kristen isn't always like, you know, amazing on the red 345 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: carpet and she looked perfect well. 346 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 4: No, I mean that's that's the thing is people have 347 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: talked about how for the last couple of years she 348 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: was another one of those girls who was seemingly locked 349 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 4: into this sort of fausty bargain with Chanelle and was 350 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: always wearing these weirdly feminine, ugly ass Chanel looks on 351 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: red carpets and I love that for this, you know, 352 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: Cara Lagerfeld carpet, she came out in a men's wear 353 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: look like, looking like her strap weighed twenty pounds. 354 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: It was so good. Okay sorry. 355 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: Also asap, Rocky's men's wear look was really cool with 356 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: the belts and the scar. I just what I liked 357 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: about Aceop was just him standing on the side looking 358 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: at Rihanna like like you are God. He is such 359 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: a fucking wife guy. I love oh one hundred percent 360 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: sleeper Hits, Sleeper Hits. I thought, like Glenn Clotes so beautiful. 361 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: Tianna Taylor, like Tianna Taylor edible, that's how you show ass, 362 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: Like sorry little nas. 363 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna show ass, that's how you show ass. 364 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: Like the hip cutout. Yeah, really giving body like wearing 365 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: tweet another Tom Brown. I mean, the Tom Brown girlies 366 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: really do slay kind of the most every year. 367 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 3: I have yet to see the write up that that 368 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: was like it was Tom Brown's night because it was 369 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: his Antilia dressed so many fucking people, and you know 370 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: that's probably because he's married to the director of the 371 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: costume exhibit and also like famously does black and white. 372 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: But like he should do Chanelle, Like there should be 373 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: a Tom Brown Chanel collab, moment collections something like, I mean, 374 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: maybe Tom Brown is actually too distinct for that, but like, 375 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: I yeah, I thought that his looks were like winning 376 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: all night long. I gener Ortega honestly in the Tom 377 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: Brown Like that's again, it's like perfect, a perfect marriage 378 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: of who Karl is and then who the celebrity is, 379 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: right Lea Michelle Sleeper. 380 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: Hit Barber Strides end. 381 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: Realness a hundred percent of Barber reference Erica but two 382 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 3: kind of a serve. I thought she looked so cool 383 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: with a little like white curtainy thing. 384 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 4: I know, it was kind of when she was doing 385 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: her interview, it made it look like she had a mustache. 386 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like her mustache was like flopping, yeah, 387 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: flopping around. If Florence Pew is going to debut a 388 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 3: buzz cut, which is hot behavior, why would you wear 389 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: like an ugly like headdress on top of the buzz 390 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: cut to cover up the bus. 391 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: She's another one who has really bad taste. 392 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: Really, oh, I don't follow, I'm not at whatter Pew 393 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: Florence Pew stands called I don't know. 394 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: Pew, p puglinators, pullinators. When you told me seaking past deals, 395 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 4: it should also be said that when you said Florence 396 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 4: is debuting her buscuit, I was like, Florence Welch is 397 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: debuting her bus. Yeah, she's cutting. She's removing the thing 398 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: that she is most known, which is being an iconic 399 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: redhead and debuting a buzz cut. Yeah, Florence Pugh has 400 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: a really bad style. 401 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: I feel like again, like, if you're going to talk 402 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 3: about the Mecala, don't be so un fun about it. 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: Like this is a grotesque display of capitalism and celebrity, 404 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: and that's why we are all here for it. 405 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the it's the super Bowl of fashion. 406 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: Yes, it's the super Bowl of Fashion, which Rose and 407 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 3: I will one day be at. 408 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: Yeah sure, why not? I have the very least like 409 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: on the sidelines. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe not not walking 410 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: you never know. I don't know that I would want 411 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 4: to do that because I don't know if I can 412 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: subject myself to that. I mean, I mean I don't 413 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: want to be famous. Yeah, I don't ever want to 414 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: subject myself to that level of public scrutiny. 415 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: I do want to be famous, I know, I'm well aware. No, 416 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to be famous. I'm 417 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: like thinking about I'm like kombucha girl right now, Well, 418 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 3: I yeah, do I want to be famous? I don't 419 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: know if I want to be famous, But like, I 420 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: love fashion. I want to participate in fashion. I love 421 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 3: what MICHAELA. Cole said yesterday on the very terrible Vogue 422 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: live stream. 423 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: Girl, girl, girl, I love what MICHAELA Cole. 424 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: She was like, I'm but a tourist in this industry, 425 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: Like I'm not here to claim fashion, Like I'm just 426 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: a tourist. 427 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's that's cheap. Like that's how 428 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: I feel a lot of the time. That is cheap. 429 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, no, girl, that Vogue run that Vogue live stream, 430 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: Like we don't need to get into details, but likeab. 431 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 4: I need you know, it's giving super nanny. If you 432 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 4: all are in a crisis, I'm on my way, Like 433 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 4: the uh, the people hosting red carpets are not doing 434 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: it the way they should and I need to get 435 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 4: back out there. 436 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you know, you know who should have 437 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: been on the red carpet aside from us? Obviously you 438 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 3: did tweet that the the resident Evil mom should have 439 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: should have been walking. 440 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 4: No, the Evil Dead mom. 441 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: Oh right, Evil Dead, Resident Evil? Are those different entities 442 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: or are they they are different? 443 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 4: Yes? Okay, well you know I was close. You were close. 444 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: Okay, what's the difference between the two? 445 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: For the virgins? And then you can Resident Evil is, 446 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: I believe, a video game series that has been adapted 447 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 4: into a movie series, and then Evil Dead is a 448 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: movie franchise about not like zombies, but possession movies. And 449 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 4: I did, in fact, I did, in fact see the 450 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: new Evil Dead film, Evil Dead Rise, on Friday, and 451 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 4: I did love it. It was so fun. I was 452 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: kind of having a bad day on Friday and needed 453 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 4: to get out of my head and just like be 454 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: scared and be no thoughts, had empty, just vibes, just 455 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: spooky vibes, and the movie delivered exactly that. It's I mean, 456 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: if anyone doesn't know about what Evil Dead is, it's 457 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 4: this film franchise where there's this book called the Book 458 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: of the Dead and people read it and then they 459 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: get possessed by these like demonic entities who just want 460 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: to create absolute chaos and like rip their bodies apart 461 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 4: and the bodies of the people around them. And in 462 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 4: this new film, the person that that happens to is 463 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 4: a single mother living with her three children in an 464 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: apartment building Los Angeles, and her sister comes to stay 465 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: with them and her son, who's played by a transactor. 466 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 4: Love to see that there's like a lot of trans 467 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 4: representation in horror these days, which is great, and that 468 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 4: mean horror is usually the place where we get representation first. 469 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 4: That's like long been like a staple of the genre. 470 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: And he like finds this book after an earthquake and 471 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 4: then the mom becomes possessed and then starts like terrorizing 472 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 4: her family, and it was so fun. The actress Alyssa 473 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 4: Sutherland I believe, who plays the mom, is incredible and 474 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 4: I truly believe she will win an Oscar someday. She 475 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 4: just has this like gummy face that like it just 476 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 4: was so perfect for being transformed into like absolute evil. 477 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 4: Like the way that she smiles at her children is 478 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 4: so menacing, and her physicality was great. I've been seeing 479 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 4: a lot of her videos on TikTok. She did a 480 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: lot of her own stunts, which is very cool, and 481 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: the gore is insane. There's this one scene where someone 482 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: gets their flesh scraped off with a cheese grater. And 483 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 4: the opening scene of the film, so every Evil Dead 484 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 4: movie has like a title card scene that's about something 485 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 4: slightly different than the main action of the movie, And 486 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 4: in this one, it's these people who are on vacation 487 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: by a lake and this girl gets her scalp ripped off, 488 00:26:53,400 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: and it's so good. Make it snatched, well literally snatched. Night, 489 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: I had to do something I never do, which was 490 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 4: fall asleep with the TV on. 491 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't. 492 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: I was just so scared that like something was gonna 493 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 4: crawl out of the darkness of my apartment. Yeah, like 494 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: the soothing, comforting noise of a TV. 495 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: Someone I went on a date with said that Evil 496 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 3: Dead was kind of giving camp Is that. 497 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 4: Yes, saying the original films are much campier, And then 498 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 4: the series was kind of like soft rebooted in twenty 499 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: thirteen with Evil Dead twenty thirteen, and that's much more. 500 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, but I really want to. From 501 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 4: what I understand, it's much more like Grim and like excellent, 502 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 4: but not as cant be funny. I think this movie 503 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: was probably like a sweet spot in between the two. 504 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: Like one of the things that I really liked was 505 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: the actress who played the mom. I saw an interview 506 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 4: with her where someone was asking what she used for 507 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 4: inspiration for her role, and one of the things she 508 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: referenced was the Mask with Jim Carrey. That's because because 509 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 4: she was thinking that this demonic entity, like once it 510 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: was in a vessel, would be having so much fun 511 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 4: inflicting terror on people, and that really came through in 512 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: her performance, and it was even though it was like 513 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: menacing and terrifying, it was really fun to watch. So 514 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: I yeah, it is a little not not as much, 515 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: but there's a couple like silly, goofy, campy moments throughout 516 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: the film. 517 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, honestly that that in and of itself makes 518 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: me want to watch it. I never would have considered 519 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: this movie had had you not thrown in my way. 520 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: So I think I think I may, I may get 521 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: my get my butt to an AMC if I can 522 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: find a body to watch it with. 523 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: You should you should find a fellow Stubb anista. 524 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, fellow Stubb anista, but you are no longer sad faced. 525 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: I did. I told my my friend who I went 526 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 4: to the movie with, I said, I'm making dinner reservations 527 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: for us after because we saw it Alamo and I said, 528 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: There's no way I can eat dinner while watching something 529 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: that gory and like we couldn't. 530 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: Even eat the popcorn. That's how stomach journey it was. 531 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Rose, you know, we chatted a little 532 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: bit about the Mechala. If there is someone who is 533 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: like the girl that's gonna respond to every every single 534 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: component of Megala coverage, it is a one. Mikel Street, 535 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: our dear friend and former co worker, Mikel Street, is 536 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: actually like the person to get into my DM saying well, actually, 537 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like actually loves she loves 538 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: a well actually and like I did actually post something 539 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: on my story last night about the Mecala and Mikel 540 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: was like, well actually, and I'm like, come on, do 541 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: you have to be right about like everything? 542 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 4: And he does, and she is here today to give 543 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: us a well actually about Anna Wintour HBI C of 544 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: the met Gala and the magazine and basically the entire 545 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: fashion world. So that's going to be very exciting, and 546 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 4: I think we're gonna learn a lot. 547 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: Yes, and we recorded this a while ago, so you know, 548 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: no Megala coverage from my caw. But we well we 549 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: talked about all things Anna and sempergreen. 550 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 4: Fashion context exactly. I'm so cold, I'm so grown, I'm 551 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: so real life, I'm so show off my diamonds designed 552 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 4: to twinkle with light as the valley fills with darkness. 553 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 4: Shadows chase and run around in the morning. I cheer 554 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 4: for sunshine and I feel, but I don't feel enough 555 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: in the midnight hours. 556 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: I try to This is winter. That was Oh my god. 557 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: I knew exactly what because I was listening, but I 558 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: was just like, sounds like Edgar Allan Poe and she's 559 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: giving lyrics. She's giving, she's giving darkness. 560 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: Do any of those lyrics resonate you as a as 561 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 4: a fan of person. I don't know. 562 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I didn't really listen. Clocked out, was like, where's you 563 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: listen to? My women are talking? Well, what hath was? 564 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: No? 565 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: I just like I I don't remember any of them. 566 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: Well, it's about being cold, being you know, like a 567 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: fashion bitch. 568 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: No I I I will say best song or maybe 569 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: top three for me. 570 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I try not to have best Azalea songs. 571 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: You don't really do top threes, top fives in general, 572 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: I don't. 573 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would need a top fifty. 574 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're you're like a you're a fat girl. 575 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: I try to be so nuanced, and I'm like, well, 576 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: it depends on how we're funny. 577 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 5: Thing, The thing is, you don't. 578 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: You don't try to be nuanced. You have a nuancing compulsion. 579 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: You are compulsorily. Yeah, I want and therefore cannot say 580 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: any You will not You cannot say or accept any platitudes, Yeah, 581 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: any any sort of like flat statements. You will be 582 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 3: like now wait a second. Yeah, And that is how 583 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: we're going into this conversation, dear virsions. So every time 584 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: Rose and I say literally anything, Michael will probably be like, well, actually. 585 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: Well actually, but what happened was but no, I mean 586 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: I think that like, yeah, that kind of idea of 587 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: like being cold or even being perceived as really cold 588 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: and like you don't care about people's feelings, I think 589 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: is absolutely something that like people associate with Anna, and 590 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: also that like I with and mostly because like I 591 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: think that Anna, well like that growing up, I looked 592 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: up to specifically women like Anna Winter, Kelly Coutron, and 593 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's another that I am not thinking of. 594 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: Kelly Cotrone is a mother to many. Who's Kelly Catron? 595 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god. She's like a PR fashion icon. She 596 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: had a show called kell on Earth. Oh if you 597 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: did you watch The Hills or the OC. She was 598 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: Lauren Conrad's bossy. 599 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: She also did an iconic interview magazine issue recently talking 600 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 4: about all these TikTok fashion girlies who show up at 601 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: fashion week, like thinking there's somebody and she's like, no, 602 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 4: you're nobody, Like. 603 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: We don't care about you. 604 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 4: So is she? 605 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 5: So she is in PR. She's not like a socialite, 606 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 5: she's not. 607 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: She produces fashion show she used to produce like she 608 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: used to her PR firm used to be the PR 609 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: firm for London Fashion Week, like not just individual shows, 610 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: and so she's done a lot of I think she 611 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: used to have rough Rucci. She introduced a bunch of 612 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: like Spanish and like other sort of international designers to 613 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: New York Fashion Week and to the New York Qushian scene. Anyways, 614 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: she has a book called If You Have to Cry don't. 615 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have to cry, go outside, Like 616 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: that was one of her mantras and wodows, and she 617 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: would always give her interns this speech that like like 618 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't care about your feelings. We're here to do work. 619 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: Like I'm here to do a job, and like, if 620 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you have to cry, go outside, I don't want to 621 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: hear it. If I tow you like. She also can't 622 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: deal with this generation because she's like, if I toe 623 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 1: to do something, do it, Like I just do It's 624 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going back and forth. Yeah, and so she 625 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: was very like cut through anyways. So like the two 626 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: of them and there's somebody else that like I'm for 627 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: some reason, I can't think of who they are right now. 628 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: Kind of really taught me the three of them and 629 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: Grace Connington a little bit, but kind of shove so 630 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: good and also very different like not but I want 631 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: to read this quote from Kelly Catrone. We keep a 632 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: lot of list. 633 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: This is from I'm an interview magazine interview that she 634 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 4: did recently. We keep a lot of lists. But this year, 635 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: my team is really small, and she's talking about New 636 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 4: York Fashion Week. I'm doing everything with four or five people. 637 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 4: That doesn't include the people, but all of the interview requests, 638 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 4: pre interview requests, post interview requests, celebrities, fake celebrities, fake 639 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: ass fucking people who think their major who aren't. And 640 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: I feel now that it's my job to tighten up 641 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 4: the reins a little bit and say, sorry, I know 642 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: you think you're in the fashion business because you have 643 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 4: two million followers on TikTok, but you're not. You're a 644 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: little kid from Laguna Beach or Orlando, Florida who has 645 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 4: some kind of great skill with getting attention on the internet. 646 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: But that doesn't make you a fashion influencer. 647 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I don't even want to go into that, 648 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: but ye honestly, that's all you can talk about that 649 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: for like another hour. And so I'm wondering, is. 650 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 4: This like this idea of the cutthroat leave your feelings 651 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 4: of the door fashion diva, is that an archetype that 652 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 4: predates Anna. 653 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: Or with Diana or yeah? No, absolutely, I mean Diana 654 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: was no that Diana was like very eccentric. 655 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 5: And Diana Freeland for the versions. 656 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that like there has always existed this 657 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: idea of this like woman who's like extremely ambitious and 658 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: like cutthroat and like I'm sure that pre dated and 659 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: was in fashion before Anna, but I it was. I 660 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: respected Anna growing up. I like got into like voge 661 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: at a very very young age. I mean I also 662 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: got into fashion at a very young age. You remember 663 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: how old you were. I can tell you the way 664 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: that I try to explain to people how early I 665 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: got into fashion was in the second or third grade. 666 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: I believe it was the third grade. We had to 667 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 1: write our first research paper, and I wrote a research 668 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: paper on Charles Frederick Worth, who was widely considered to 669 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: be like the father of couture. And like I remember obviously, 670 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: like I was in the second or I think I 671 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: was in third grade, and so I don't know anything 672 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: about like photo rights and stuff like that. But I 673 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: remember going to Google dot com and typing in his 674 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: name and then just going to Google images and like 675 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: pulling in onto like my cover letter, so I could 676 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: have these like images of dresses. Now you would be 677 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: sued over exactly Obviously I didn't know anything about it. 678 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: You did not have account but like that's how early 679 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: I became cognizant. Well that I can show that I 680 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: knew that I was interested in and that and was. 681 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: It was it like the clothes themselves or the culture 682 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 4: of fashion. 683 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think that like the I think this is 684 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: for everyone with fashion. I think like you first come 685 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: to the clothes and like that's the thing, and then 686 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: like you realize like everything else. And I think so 687 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: many people from the youngest age you were interested in 688 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: the clothes, and so you might draw the closer like 689 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: where you know, try to style things which obviously are 690 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: you wear them. You try a blanket around your exactly, 691 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: and a ball all of those kinds of things. And 692 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: then I think that once you become exposed to like 693 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: learning like oh there's magazines. Oh there's this other thing. 694 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: Oh there's this, and then you start being like, oh, 695 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: actually I mentioned in the clothes, but like I don't 696 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: want to design them, like I want to do this 697 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: other thing. And I like very quickly became aware of 698 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: magazines and so like when I was in high school. 699 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: When I was in middle school, I started a blog. 700 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: But when I was in high school, I like started 701 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: like stealing magazines from the library same because we couldn't 702 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: afford them. And then like when I was able to 703 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: like some kind of way started making money. I started 704 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: getting these subscriptions, and I remember that my mother was like, 705 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: you cannot have more than eight magazine subscriptions because there's 706 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: no way for you to read. I'm tapping eight magazines 707 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: a month, and you did. But you did though, But 708 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean I would read them all everything I went, 709 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: and I when I moved out to go to college, 710 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: we I had these like bookshelves that were just all 711 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: of my magazines. Like I can't justide there was so many. 712 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 4: Very carry Bradshaw with all the vogues that she used 713 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 4: to buy instead of food because she felt they fed 714 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 4: more very bad. I love that your fashion origin story 715 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: is also an origin story about you know, how you became, 716 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 4: how you fell in love with the complex world of 717 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 4: photo licensing. And I love that that is just you know, 718 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 4: because that is you know, part of your person. We 719 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 4: are meant to be a journal No, I don't think 720 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 4: you guys quite understand. 721 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: Like I ran this blog and I was like, do 722 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: you want this blog? I had I don't know, multiple. 723 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 4: Time. 724 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I had multiple blogs when I was younger, and 725 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: then like I knew that I wanted to be a 726 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: fashion writer a journalist so much, and I wanted to 727 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: like review fashion shows, and so I would I was 728 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: so like directional that, like I was like, I know 729 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, so how can 730 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: I do a version of that now? So back then 731 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I want to be like Tim Blinks. 732 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: I want to be like Kathy Horn. I want to 733 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: be I want to go to these shows and review them. 734 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: And I know that like so much of that as speed, 735 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: and so like I would tell myself like I had 736 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: like a specific amount of time after photos came out 737 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: back then style dot Com from the time Photos came 738 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: out to write a review on my blog and like 739 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: I was like, and so that is actually way you 740 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: savage in your reviews. 741 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you were like setting trash down the runway 742 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: middle school. 743 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: And I was like so dead serious about like this 744 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: is what I want to do with my life and 745 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: like this is how I get there, and so like 746 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: then it was nothing. When I like moved to New 747 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: York and I like met this person who worked at 748 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: the site at the time called now Fashion and they 749 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: do a lot of the fashion photography runway photography at 750 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: fashion shows. But at the time they were building essentially 751 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: what now so many publications do, which was they would 752 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: shoot the the the shows, but then they would I 753 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: don't know how they did this, but stream essentially stream 754 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: the shots so like you could watch photos come pop 755 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: up on your screen as they were going down the runway. 756 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: And they started to build a team of writers to 757 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: write reviews for them, and our deadline, I believe was 758 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: three hours after a show ends. 759 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 4: We had to have a review, and well, tund especially 760 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 4: for your first. 761 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: Job, and well that was It wasn't most writers, it 762 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: was not, but it was mine, and it was easy 763 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: because like I was like, oh, I haven't known this 764 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, like I wasn't at the shows, but 765 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: like I have been doing this kind of stuff. And 766 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: then this is also what made me like so like 767 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: big on like taking opinion and like sticking with it, 768 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: which is also something I learned for Ann that I learned, 769 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, watching things with Anna Winter was my editor 770 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: at the time. She was like, every you were writing critiques, 771 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: you were writing criticism. So every piece you write has 772 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: to have a piece of Every review you write has 773 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: to have a piece of criticism in it. It does 774 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily have to criticize the designer or the designs. 775 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: It can be criticism of the industry. It can be 776 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: a criticism of whatever. You don't have to say something 777 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: as bad, but there needs to be some part of 778 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: criticism in every review you write, and you need to 779 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: be able to like stand behind that and like you know, 780 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: write through it. And so that's what I did for 781 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: my first, like really my first job in New York City. 782 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's what I remember going to like that, 783 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: I got to go to crazy shows with that. I 784 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: went to a Valentino Valentino Couture show when they came 785 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: to New York City. I went to the Door show. 786 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: But my first big deal show the first time that 787 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: I was ever intimidated. Mind you, I had been writing 788 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: for her for maybe a year of shows, I think, 789 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: but the first show that was ever intimidated, I went 790 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: to a Mark Jacobs show, and I was intimidated because 791 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: I knew that, like my review was going to be 792 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: coming out with like everyone who's anyone in fashion who 793 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: was writing reviews at the time, we're going to be 794 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: We're at this show and we're going to be writing 795 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: and like my review was going to come out at 796 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: the same time or before there, and so like I 797 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: was paranoid about it was for the first time. I 798 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: was paranoid about being wrong that I would like have 799 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: about his show and like critique it and then like 800 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: everyone else's piece would be like talking about something completely different. 801 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: And so I wrote my review and I sent it 802 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: in and it was the first time this has ever happened. 803 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: I sent it in and she sent it back and 804 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: she was like, you were grouped. She was like, this 805 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: is not a review, this is a description because you 806 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: didn't you were too soft. I didn't know because I 807 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: did exactly which I just described what happened, and she 808 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: was like, we have pictures we can see. So I 809 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: had to like sit down and like she was like 810 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: and she was like, I don't know what's going on 811 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: with you, like because she had an opinion. So she 812 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what's going on, but you 813 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,720 Speaker 1: have a few hours. 814 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 3: If Rose and I were talking to you and someone 815 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 3: brought up something, you know, if someone brought us something 816 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 3: about fashion and you didn't say something, I would be holding. 817 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: My hand to your four half be like are you okay? 818 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: Go towards the light. But yeah, so like anyways, I 819 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: say all this to say, but all of that also 820 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: was kind of instilled in me. Even like my management 821 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: style for better for worse, I feel like I got 822 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: from like watching like the September issue and watching Boss Women, 823 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: which was like this, which Anna is. Yeah, they had 824 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: an episode on her, and it was about like, don't 825 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: like mess around, don't be unsure about what you want. 826 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: You need to be extremely direct with people and tell 827 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: them exactly what you want. And they might be upset 828 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: with you, but as long as they understand what you're 829 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: going for, then like it's going to be for the 830 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: better in the end. And like if you're direct with 831 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: them and you communicate well enough, you can let them 832 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: go do what they do, Like you need to tell 833 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: them what you need. And like I think that, like 834 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: obviously I have had to learn like how to finesse that, 835 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: but I think that that has always been at the 836 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: core of like how I try to manage people, is 837 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: like I try to identify the best people in the room, 838 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: which I think Anna, you know, to her credit that 839 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that people give her credit for being 840 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: able to like identify Grace and Andrea and hey man 841 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: and like all of those people and people like Anna's 842 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: not creative, like she has no sense of style. Blah blah, blah. 843 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: She doesn't have to because she she identified all of 844 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: those people and like brought them together. And then the 845 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: reality is that American Vogue is what it is not 846 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: because of the creativity. It's because of the fact that 847 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: it's a commercial It realizes that fashion is a commercial business, 848 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: like it's a retail business, and like, how do we 849 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: channel all this creativity and like artsy, fartsy whatever, which 850 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: I love, But how do we channel that into selling garments? 851 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: And I think that like that's why she she you know, 852 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: she doesn't have to do that. She can have grace 853 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: and you can have them fight and grace skin. Oh 854 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: I want this, I want this, And like Anne's like, 855 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: oh that's great, but like we're selling coachs this season, 856 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: so like these three photos have to go. Where where 857 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: do you think that comes from? 858 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 4: With her? 859 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I don't know. I mean like I 860 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, Like I know little bit 861 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: about her origin story, but like it's interesting because her 862 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: family was all like her. They all look down on her. 863 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: Oh like her family is all like now that sounds right, 864 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: well because they're all like serious, like intellectual or like whatever. 865 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: So like her, I think her little brother was like 866 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: at one point was like the politics editor of like 867 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: the Telegraph, and her father was like this great editor 868 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: and like, so they were like serious people and so 869 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: like for the long time, there's this rumor, and I 870 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: believe it that like she was trying to like become 871 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: an ambassador. Uh, And I always thought that it was 872 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: because she really wanted validation from like her family, her family. 873 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: But she came up in this family that at the 874 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: very you know, we don't know what happened in that family, 875 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: but we know that like all of those kids were 876 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: like high achieving, like mostly serious. And she says in 877 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,879 Speaker 1: the September issue, she's like when they ask her about 878 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: her family and what they think of her work, they're like, oh, 879 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: they think it's what did she say? They think it's 880 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: what I do is silly? I think is it like 881 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: the word? And like also you get this deeply un 882 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: serious basically and like but basically she was like, they 883 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: think I play games. It's like, well, she well, these 884 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: belts are exactly the same. 885 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 4: Then it kind of makes sense that she has turned 886 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 4: her place in this industry that could be seen as 887 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 4: very silly or frivolous into one that is extremely. 888 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 5: Serious, the most serious, and. 889 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: That's why I've always that's also why I think that 890 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,720 Speaker 1: I gravitated towards her over everyone else. And like, obviously 891 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: I don't know maybe there were other editors who were 892 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: doing this, but like when I was like watching the 893 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 1: September issue in particular, the things that were like so 894 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,439 Speaker 1: impressive to me was like I was like, I want 895 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: to be in a position where like I am able 896 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: to like a mango comes to me and ask me 897 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: who they should work with next, right, like and I 898 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: can be able to say, oh, to Kuon is the designer, 899 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: or like I want to be able to like have 900 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: lunches with like these retailers and like have conversations about like, oh, 901 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: this is these designers are doing really great things, like 902 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: what is the disconnect? You know, how can we make 903 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: this industry like work in a way that's like better 904 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 1: for the entire industry? And like I've always been interested 905 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: in that kind of state craft, which is what I 906 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: think was she was into and. 907 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 5: Diploma diplomacy, Yeah, that's really what it was. 908 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: And and and I think I have always been cognizant 909 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: and interested in like that. And I think that like people, 910 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, sort of reduce it to just like Vogue 911 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: as the magazine or whatever, but like she really sees 912 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: it as the global industry that it is, and like, 913 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: what is it the rising tide raises all shifts and 914 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: like how do I like do things that help the 915 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: entire industry, which Vogue will obviously profit from, right, And 916 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: so I think that's why I always I've always been interested. Obviously, 917 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that she's been extremely like personally creative 918 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I'm like, you don't need to be, 919 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: because this is also just as much a business and 920 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: like about numbers and about diplomacy and like all these 921 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: things and anything else. 922 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 3: I think that diplomacy like makes her someone who is 923 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 3: able to like straddle a lot of worlds at the 924 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 3: same time, please a lot of people at the same time, 925 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 3: manage a ton of relationships. 926 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 4: And I think part. 927 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 3: Of like what you you're like outlining with her relationship 928 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 3: to the fashion industry, I think shows that she came 929 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 3: into it and she really like templatized a way of 930 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 3: working and being in fashion that is now how a 931 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 3: lot of mainstream magazines work. Like she institutionalized I think 932 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 3: publishing and also just like a way of being an 933 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 3: editor that just permeates every job, every publishing job will 934 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 3: ever be at. So even if I've not, I personally 935 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 3: have never like been on Conde's payroll, but. 936 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: Like a lot of the places I've worked at. 937 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 3: You know, have a cone de kind of sensibility of 938 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 3: working because of how Anna gets it done. 939 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 4: And I feel like. 940 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 3: That this like archetype or this kind of card tune 941 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 3: that people paint her as sometimes, which I think is 942 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 3: like an accurate cartoon, comes from her, like her institutionalization 943 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 3: of like fashion, like it comes from her leading with 944 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 3: the character before trying to be like really personable, I guess, 945 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 3: and not even just. 946 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,320 Speaker 4: In fashion, like she is she is this hold over 947 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 4: of a of a bygone era of the magazine industry, 948 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 4: Like she is the last of a dying breed of 949 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 4: high powered magazine editors who like now kind of only 950 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 4: exist in fiction. 951 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting because I on one hand, I'm like Anna 952 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: is very much the last and also in waghs the first. 953 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 5: But because she has so many children, because she is. 954 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: I think that like in many ways she is the 955 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: last of like a generation of editors. But yeah, like 956 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: I think that like everyone is trying to wrap the Kate, 957 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: the kind of influence and power that Vogue has in 958 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,240 Speaker 1: like their own ways and like in influencing their industries 959 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: or you know whatever, like in their own ways, And 960 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't you know obviously, I like, I'm not going 961 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: to try to say that, like I have like a 962 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,839 Speaker 1: comprehensive idea of like how all editors are and were 963 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: prior to her, But I think you've got a pretty 964 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: good idea. 965 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 6: Girl, Like, well, yeah, Rose, do you remember like your 966 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 6: first like or some of your like what your earliest 967 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 6: like impressions of Anna might have been or Vogue. 968 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,359 Speaker 4: I think for me, growing up as a little pre 969 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 4: woman gay kid in Florida, I think I understood that 970 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 4: fashion was something that, as a queer person, I was 971 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 4: supposed to be interested in, and because of that, I 972 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 4: would buy Vogue and try to like manufacture an interest 973 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,399 Speaker 4: in it. And like, don't get me wrong, like I'm 974 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 4: interested in fashion. 975 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm more. 976 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 4: Interested in the cultural aspect of fashion than like even 977 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 4: the I mean I like clothes, sure, but I don't 978 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,839 Speaker 4: care about fashion in the way that that you do. 979 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:40,720 Speaker 4: But I it felt like, you know, we were talking 980 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 4: when we did our Missus Doubtfire episode, we talked about 981 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 4: how like I talked about how one of the things 982 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 4: I loved about that was the scene where they're giving 983 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 4: Roma Williams the makeover and they're like referencing all these 984 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 4: things that like there's this like shared queer language, and 985 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 4: I guess that's what I kind of felt like Vogue 986 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 4: was and what being interested in fashion was, it was 987 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 4: being part of that shared queer cultural language. And so 988 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,399 Speaker 4: I think that's probably when I started understanding who Anna 989 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 4: Wintour was. But it was definitely the Devil's Product that 990 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 4: was That was the thing, Oh that made me know 991 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 4: who she was because I read the book when it 992 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 4: first came out, and it was like this huge, like 993 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 4: publishing sensation. And I think the first time I really 994 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 4: knew who she was was when I read the book 995 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 4: and someone said, oh, that's about Anna Wintour. 996 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,439 Speaker 1: I don't. 997 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 5: I think this was pre Devil War's product Slash. 998 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 3: I didn't watch Doubles product until years after it came out. 999 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,919 Speaker 1: But I think one of my. 1000 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 3: First one of my earlier fashion memories, I was trying 1001 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 3: to think of the first Vogue that I ever bought, 1002 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 3: and I'm I want to say it was the one 1003 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 3: with Gaga on it, the huge McQueen gown. 1004 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 5: It was a very gray cover. She had gray hair 1005 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 5: at the time. 1006 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,280 Speaker 3: And I remember either in this issue or around this issue, 1007 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 3: Annie Leebowitz was doing all those Disney recreations. 1008 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: Of photos with celebrities so good. Was that for Vogue 1009 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: or was it? Yeah, that's pretty sure. 1010 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure was for Vogue. Okay, So that's like 1011 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 3: one of my earliest memories. And I because of that 1012 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 3: series started to like idolize any Libuwitz back when she 1013 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 3: was relevant and like it captured my imagination at an 1014 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,320 Speaker 3: access point that made sense to me as like however 1015 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 3: old I was. And I think that that is probably 1016 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 3: something that they were thinking about when they were doing 1017 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 3: the shoot. They were like, this is something that kids 1018 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 3: understand and that adults also think is cool. 1019 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think that, like I, I mean, 1020 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: I have actually never like said this out loud, So 1021 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,399 Speaker 1: we're going to see how it goes. But yeah, it's 1022 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: interesting to me because years ago, like obviously, fashion was 1023 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 1: like so fantastical and like this the things that Annie 1024 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,399 Speaker 1: was doing and Grace was doing, and like all these 1025 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 1: people were doing, Like I I was going back to 1026 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: watch the September issue and like thinking about like the 1027 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 1: twenties shoot that they did and like, and I think 1028 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: it was interesting because it was at a time where 1029 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 1: people were not necessarily interested in fashion for clothes, and 1030 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: so they had to do all of this other stuff, 1031 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: would like make sure that it told this great, big 1032 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: story on this extremely large scale to get people interested. 1033 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,280 Speaker 1: But I think that because more people are interested simply 1034 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: in fashion and like the clothes themselves, I think that 1035 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: that has allowed Vogue to be a little less like 1036 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: they don't have to go that far because people are 1037 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: also simply just coming to look at the clothes as 1038 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: well as the celebrities that are involved. And so I've 1039 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 1: never said that like out loud before. And obviously this 1040 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: also has to do with like budgets being slashes, so 1041 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 1: there's simply not budgets to like do all of that. 1042 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: And it has to do with the fact that it 1043 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: takes so much more to convince the celebrity to like 1044 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: give in to a creative brief because of social media 1045 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,879 Speaker 1: and the fact that like they don't need to do 1046 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,439 Speaker 1: that in order to be like and be in front 1047 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,479 Speaker 1: of and speak to their consumers. But I do think 1048 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: that that the general publics, like increase in fashion knowledge 1049 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: largely due to Vogue, has allowed Vogue to like scale 1050 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: back and because people will just look at the images 1051 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: for the pieces as opposed to like needing to necessarily 1052 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: be transported in everything. 1053 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does make me wonder, like what in twenty 1054 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 4: and twenty three is the function of Vogue and is 1055 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 4: the function of anointur. 1056 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 3: Because like, I don't know, I'd be curious to know, 1057 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,280 Speaker 3: like your trajectory, like how you would analyze the trajectory, 1058 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 3: because I feel like a lot of people would say 1059 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 3: that like Vogue's like golden age is like over for 1060 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,360 Speaker 3: to put it flatly, which you'll probably nuance for me, 1061 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 3: But like, I feel like a lot of people are 1062 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,759 Speaker 3: feeling like, especially in a social media era where everyone's 1063 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,320 Speaker 3: you know, holding people accountable and like problematizing images online 1064 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 3: immediately that because Vogue is now under so much content 1065 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 3: constant scrutiny along with like every other media brand. 1066 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 5: It's like lost its luster. 1067 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 3: It feels like it's not a lot of times, it 1068 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 3: feels like it's not on trend. I'm thinking about that, Harry, 1069 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 3: was it the Hairy Styles cover that was like these 1070 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 3: gender fluid icons or whatever, or like things like that's 1071 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 3: like a kind of that's a superficial example. 1072 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: But things like that, I think that was That's what 1073 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: it is. 1074 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 4: Gig insane. 1075 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's really interesting. I think that, like, 1076 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 1: I think two things are true. I think that, like 1077 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: people have these expectations of Vogue, particularly people who live 1078 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: in New York in or hyper online, these expectations of 1079 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: Vogue that Vogue is going to be forward thinking because 1080 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: when they were younger, Vogue was forward thinking. But the 1081 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: thing is, when they were younger, they weren't hyper online, 1082 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,479 Speaker 1: and they weren't in New York. They were in South 1083 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: Carolina and Oklahoma. 1084 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,320 Speaker 3: And with no iPhones, no social media, no nothing, and 1085 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 3: so Vogue. 1086 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: Was ahead for them. And I think that the reality 1087 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: is that like for people who are not hyper online 1088 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: and who are not in these big cities, Vogue is 1089 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:28,960 Speaker 1: still ahead. 1090 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 5: It's still ahead. 1091 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: And so I think that like people just have a 1092 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: different because the Internet, people have a different unders like 1093 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: people who are in these cities who are hyper online 1094 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: or like much further than they were, and so they're 1095 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: now in the same place that someone in New York 1096 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 1: is and so they're like, oh, this is so behind. Yeah, 1097 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 1: but it's like, well, Vogue isn't actually for you specifically, 1098 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: Like it's actually like a mass magazine, and so like 1099 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: when people say things like, oh, like I look at 1100 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: American Vogue, and I look at Vogue Talia and British Vogue, 1101 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: and like all the other vogues are so further ahead 1102 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 1: than American Vogue, And it's like, I don't really know 1103 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,720 Speaker 1: that the average American consumer is thinks that, well, yeah, 1104 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: it thinks that or is like as like editorially and 1105 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: visually ahead as some of these other places, Like I 1106 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 1: think I just don't. It's I was talking about this 1107 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: with someone online the other day, but not about vote 1108 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: but about another topic. I just think that, Like I 1109 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: think it's important to really like understand like who the 1110 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: customer of the product is that you're judging. Yeah, I 1111 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: think that like the line chair of the customer for 1112 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,919 Speaker 1: Vogue is not where most of the critics are. That's 1113 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,320 Speaker 1: a way of putting it. 1114 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 4: It does feel very in a way kind of like 1115 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 4: Middle America, like it is because that market is so 1116 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 4: much bigger. Like I actually, for Christmas this year got 1117 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 4: a gift of a coffee table book of Vogue images 1118 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 4: and it was like. 1119 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: It was such a mom gift, you know, it was not. 1120 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: It was crazy. 1121 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 4: It was like And I also gave a coffee table 1122 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 4: gift as a as a gift to someone, and I 1123 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 4: gave them a Jill Sander coffee table book, and I 1124 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, this is like the difference. 1125 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, these are the two genders. 1126 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 4: I'm also realizing that maybe even pre dating the Double 1127 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 4: Wars product is the episode of Sex and the City 1128 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 4: where Carrie goes to Vogue and she drunk. I'm drunk 1129 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 4: at Vogue and she gets paid two dollars and fifty 1130 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 4: cents a word. 1131 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, never watched Sex and the City. But 1132 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: I do know that you never watched Sex and this stuff. 1133 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: You ever worked somewhere where you got paid per word. 1134 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 3: We need like a Sex and the City induction program, 1135 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 3: like we need actually it's just come over to my apartment, 1136 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 3: yehide pay and like there are a lot of people 1137 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 3: who have never seen in the City. 1138 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,480 Speaker 5: We look versions we at we at Loretta LLC. 1139 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 3: The name of our business, are here to tell you 1140 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 3: that if you know someone in need who has never 1141 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 3: seen the sex, I'll give you. 1142 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 4: We will give you friends h because there are too 1143 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 4: many people, you see. 1144 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 1: Yes, we will, we will. We we're here to we 1145 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,600 Speaker 1: call it mutual aid. Yes, we love a support group. 1146 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to talk about because I think 1147 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,400 Speaker 4: you can't have a conversation about Anna and about Vogue 1148 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 4: without talking about the Met galat. 1149 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,840 Speaker 1: You know, the Met Gala. 1150 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 4: In recent years has really become something different than I 1151 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 4: think a lot of us remember it as being a 1152 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 4: It is the Halloween Adventure, you know, the musical. What 1153 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 4: is What would your dream Met Gala theme be? 1154 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I have no clue. I mean I think, 1155 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: think about it, think about it, think about it. We 1156 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: can come back. What do you think of the What 1157 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: do you think of this year's theme? The Carl Lagerfeld? Yeah, oh, 1158 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's whatever. It's like when we have these conversations, 1159 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: it's like so important like also acknowledge that like these 1160 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 1: events and like the progression of them do not happen 1161 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. And so like just like we're saying, 1162 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: like these are different than we are used to you 1163 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: also have to like remember that, like celebrities are very 1164 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,520 Speaker 1: different than they used to be, and so like I 1165 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: think like some of them like are not going to 1166 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: go out there and like try these things, and some 1167 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 1: of them are and like some of like I just 1168 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,040 Speaker 1: they that they have a sense of independence in ways 1169 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: that like they may not have in the in the past. 1170 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I think because like social media, because of social media, 1171 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and I just I don't know, I mean, I it's 1172 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,600 Speaker 1: it's always really interesting to me to see the Magala looks. 1173 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite of the past or like 1174 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 5: a fave Metcala look. 1175 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Or at least favorite or a met Gala No not 1176 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: to have Mecala. I don't, I mean, I don't. I mean, 1177 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: like I love the exhibits. They're like always really great. 1178 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 1: And then China if it was so good. I still 1179 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: think about the McQueen exhibit. Oh my god, that was. 1180 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 4: I actually went the last day it was open, was 1181 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 4: on my birthday, and I went and the line was 1182 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 4: five hours long. And thankfully someone I knew was a 1183 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 4: docent in the museum and saw me in line and 1184 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 4: like plucked me out wow and took me and I 1185 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:21,480 Speaker 4: got to cut the line. 1186 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040 Speaker 3: That was so jealous. That was I never got to 1187 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 3: go because the lines were so crazy. 1188 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: For that speaking of like sort of like the homonormativity 1189 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 1: of it, all Like I did think it was so 1190 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 1: hilarious when I moved to New York that like if 1191 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,560 Speaker 1: gays thought themselves to be fashionable or edgy, they all 1192 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 1: had the Alazon McQueen book. 1193 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, or the Scar or the scar they have either 1194 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 4: Alzon Queen, Like there's two books for like fashion art gays. 1195 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I was in McQueen. Tom Ford they have one of 1196 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,880 Speaker 1: them and then they're there. They're two different types of gays. Okay, 1197 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,959 Speaker 1: what are you? What are your coffee table books? Yeah, 1198 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: I have a lot of them. Actually I do have. 1199 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I have the China one. Okay, that's I have a 1200 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,000 Speaker 1: tom Ford book. But also actually on the coffee table 1201 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: is none of those books. On the coffee table is 1202 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: a door book, which is a fashion book. But then 1203 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I also have a tom Finlin book, which is I 1204 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,400 Speaker 1: need two of them? Are me? 1205 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,360 Speaker 4: That is you I need some more porn for my 1206 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 4: coffee table. I do have two DVDs that I picked 1207 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,200 Speaker 4: up in the desert. Twink Light is on my coffee 1208 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,400 Speaker 4: and whatever the I think, like the some bisexual porn one. 1209 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: Good to know that you're. 1210 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 5: Looking for some more of porn. 1211 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,000 Speaker 1: That is my you know category. 1212 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I also have a Vivian Westwood coffee table book. 1213 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 4: I have. 1214 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: What else is there? 1215 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,919 Speaker 4: There's like, oh, I have the Sex and the City 1216 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,680 Speaker 4: books that's bound in pink faux crocodile skin. 1217 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Antoine's book that is actually on my coffee table. Okay, okay, 1218 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: sorry for the listeners. It's The Black Black Guard. It's 1219 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,040 Speaker 1: a great photography book. But you were talking about DVD's. 1220 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 4: I have. 1221 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I own like four. 1222 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 5: DVDs and like vintage porn DVDs. 1223 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:16,160 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, just DVD's period. And three of 1224 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,680 Speaker 1: them are born. No, just kidding, I mean they're not far. 1225 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: They're Andy Warhol films. They are the Joe dallas Andro trilogy. Wait, 1226 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: is that the pornographic one? The one they're they're the 1227 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,960 Speaker 1: ones that were there. That's why I was like, they're 1228 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 1: not born, but. 1229 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 4: But they were. 1230 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 5: They were banned because they were pornographic, right, Oh, I 1231 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 5: have no clue. 1232 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,480 Speaker 1: And I took a fucking Warhol in film class when 1233 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: I was in college and fell in love with those 1234 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,880 Speaker 1: in my hustler too, And so then I was dating 1235 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: someone and he knew that I was such a fan, 1236 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,440 Speaker 1: and so then he because I watched one of them, 1237 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,480 Speaker 1: and then he bought me all three of them. And 1238 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: then my other film was Oh, j Edgar, j Edgar. 1239 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,920 Speaker 1: It's about j Edgar Hoover, but it's like the gay storyline. 1240 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,560 Speaker 1: What's his name? Armie Hammer I think plays his lover 1241 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,120 Speaker 1: the gag there's a gay our favorite. I love Armie Hammer. 1242 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 4: I need to get a DVD player so I can 1243 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,280 Speaker 4: watch twink Light. I've also been considering getting the double 1244 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 4: vhs of Titanic to have on my coffee table. 1245 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's the way. I have Endless Frank Oceans DVD. 1246 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,280 Speaker 1: I bought that. I don't have a DVD player, so 1247 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,480 Speaker 1: I just have all these DVDs, like for Clout, they're 1248 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: art that what they call par exactly. 1249 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,440 Speaker 3: I have not actually read a lot of these coffee 1250 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,280 Speaker 3: table books. 1251 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah for me, coffee table No. 1252 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 4: The Vivian Westwood book I have is when my friend 1253 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 4: got me for my birthday and when he came over 1254 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 4: to my apartments, heute, He's like, oh, have you read this? Yeah? 1255 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: I was like, it's a coffee table book, it's just 1256 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:56,040 Speaker 1: on the table. I haven't cracked my Tom of Finland. 1257 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I have that, like so my friend Ron Takman love 1258 01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: you bought it for me and it's like the double 1259 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:01,920 Speaker 1: lexcel book. 1260 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 3: It's not this one. It's the double cell one. Okay, 1261 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 3: we're yeah, okay. 1262 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: And so I think the double XL because a lot 1263 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,280 Speaker 1: of the small books are actually like sections of this book, 1264 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: which is like the full big book. And I refuse 1265 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: to open it because I'm like, I know the second 1266 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:18,880 Speaker 1: that I open it, I'm not gonna I'm just going 1267 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,200 Speaker 1: to keep opening and those pages are going to get sticky. 1268 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't know about, but like I can just like 1269 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,360 Speaker 1: see like smudges and like the spine, and like I 1270 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to have to buy. 1271 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 3: Coffee table books are not meant to be read right there. 1272 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 3: Just sit there and put coasters on your coffee. 1273 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,280 Speaker 1: You coasters on. Someone put up coaster on my Tom 1274 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: with the then book and I told them to get out. 1275 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I was like, get oh, I. 1276 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 4: Do it all the time with my Vimy and Western 1277 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,120 Speaker 4: one and that's bound in tweed. 1278 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 1: That's how they got to wear badly. I just I 1279 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,560 Speaker 1: just decided I'm going to buy another Tom of Fine 1280 01:07:52,600 --> 01:08:11,280 Speaker 1: and I'll open that one. 1281 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 3: The anti Leibowitz coffee table book that was I think 1282 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 3: given to me because I asked for it on like 1283 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 3: a middle probably at middle school. High school birthday was 1284 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,360 Speaker 3: also bound in tweed. And let me tell you it 1285 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,559 Speaker 3: was nice and I did read through it even though 1286 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 3: I didn't really understand a lot of was that's actually 1287 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 3: something that I think is interesting about, like the Vogue 1288 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 3: industrial complex and its relationship to people that are not 1289 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 3: in New York or like not regular consumers, like fashion culture, 1290 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 3: like in fashion capitals. Is that like I was fully 1291 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,519 Speaker 3: subscribing to something that I actually did not know anything 1292 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 3: about because of yes, and the brand is an allure 1293 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 3: of that thrives and makes money off of, for lack 1294 01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,360 Speaker 3: of a better word, exclusivity. Like I don't want to 1295 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 3: make vogues like as insidious is like, because that's just 1296 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 3: too easy. 1297 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,719 Speaker 1: But like it is. 1298 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 3: Like there is a kind of like you don't understand this, 1299 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,479 Speaker 3: you can't have this. This is a world beyond yours, 1300 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,760 Speaker 3: and that's why everyone wants to Yeah, you don't understand 1301 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,360 Speaker 3: why these two belts look different. You don't understand why, 1302 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,680 Speaker 3: you don't understand who these designers are, and yet I 1303 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 3: want to be a part of this. 1304 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really know who any Leewits was. 1305 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,639 Speaker 1: Did you cannot fashionable in high school. 1306 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,880 Speaker 5: No, not really, but I probably was voted most fashionable and. 1307 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,360 Speaker 4: I was in the in the yearbook. 1308 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,639 Speaker 1: No, it literally is just like that class bagage. Yeah, 1309 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: class Yeah. And I wore a Juicy Gutur sweatsuit. Harry, Yeah. 1310 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 3: I used to have a Juicy Gutur sweatsuit and now 1311 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,759 Speaker 3: grew in and gave it away. 1312 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:50,759 Speaker 5: I'm so sad. 1313 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: I mean, two thousand and six, what else was to 1314 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 1: wear that. 1315 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,240 Speaker 3: Is the pinnacle of fashion in two thousand and six. 1316 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,480 Speaker 3: Juicy Tour. Absolutely, But just remember. 1317 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,719 Speaker 1: I think that Vogue, like I think that like vogue 1318 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 1: selling point was that there is this like world that 1319 01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,280 Speaker 1: like you can't excess, that you can't understand that you 1320 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: can't all these things, and we are your window into that, 1321 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,519 Speaker 1: the gateway, your gay way. And so I think that 1322 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,360 Speaker 1: like that is what they have kind of like leverage 1323 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 1: is like the whole brand. And back to a point 1324 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: that I don't think I actually addressed that Rose is 1325 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: making like or maybe it was your friends, that like 1326 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 1: Vogue has kind of like fallen out of favor or 1327 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,680 Speaker 1: like try or whatever. And I think part of the 1328 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,800 Speaker 1: reason that has been happening is because there are so 1329 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: many other windows now and so you don't need Vogue 1330 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: to be that window. And so like like Vogue obviously 1331 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,360 Speaker 1: like did not do their transition to digital. Well, like 1332 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,120 Speaker 1: the girls are catching up, they are their paywall scenario 1333 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,839 Speaker 1: is not right. Well, they have a lot of issues, 1334 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,120 Speaker 1: like because like back in the day, like Vogue was 1335 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: like the spot where like people would go but like 1336 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,040 Speaker 1: particularly for like exclusive and all that stuff, like even 1337 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: pr but like now it feels like people go to 1338 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,400 Speaker 1: Vogue to say they were in Vogue because that has 1339 01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,479 Speaker 1: a cultural cachet, but they don't go there to reach 1340 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:17,760 Speaker 1: the consumer. 1341 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,000 Speaker 4: And so you go to vote and so like no, 1342 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 4: you can go directly, you can do all these other things. 1343 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,959 Speaker 1: And so like when people get a cover of Vogue, 1344 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,479 Speaker 1: it's more so about like I'm on Vogue again, Like 1345 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,679 Speaker 1: if Rihanna gets another cover of Vogue, it's about Rihanna's 1346 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: on Vogue. When Cardi b had her I mean, like 1347 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,719 Speaker 1: it's rarely, I think you rarely hear people talking about 1348 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,000 Speaker 1: the story. It's more about the cultural cachet of like 1349 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 1: simply being on or in Vogue. Like even I don't 1350 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,400 Speaker 1: even listen to him, but I know this lyric because 1351 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 1: I wrote about someone in teen Vogue and then they 1352 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,800 Speaker 1: use the lyric for a caption, but like Drake has 1353 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: that song and he says like, are you a model 1354 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,639 Speaker 1: if you haven't been in Vogue? 1355 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:54,920 Speaker 4: Yea? 1356 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean like it's that that is 1357 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,760 Speaker 1: the cultural cachet of it all, and I think that 1358 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Vogue also unders stand that today that like it's literally 1359 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: like and that's what they have at this moment, is 1360 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,719 Speaker 1: like it is the cultural cachet of just simply being 1361 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,719 Speaker 1: like related to the brand as opposed to like people 1362 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,799 Speaker 1: you know, actually reading. 1363 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's like the whole thing that happened with that 1364 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 4: new HBO show The Idol where Rolling Stone wrote this 1365 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:27,520 Speaker 4: story about how it's like this really embattled production and 1366 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,040 Speaker 4: like a lot of shit is going wrong with it 1367 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,320 Speaker 4: because of San Levinson in the weekend, and then the 1368 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 4: Weekend like as an Own posted a clip from the 1369 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 4: show of them basically talking about how irrelevant Rolling Stone 1370 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,559 Speaker 4: is in the show, and it's like not really quite 1371 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,800 Speaker 4: the own that he thinks it is, because in the 1372 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 4: scene he who in the show, he's like this cult 1373 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,320 Speaker 4: leader and he is saying to this pop Stars publicist, like, 1374 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,120 Speaker 4: what's the point of her being in Rolling Stone she 1375 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,920 Speaker 4: has like ten times the Instagram followers that Rolling Stone has. 1376 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,479 Speaker 4: But like, the point he's missing is there is still 1377 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,800 Speaker 4: that cultural cachet to for a rock star or a 1378 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,200 Speaker 4: pop star to being on the cover of Rolling Stone 1379 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,240 Speaker 4: that you can't just having a lot of followers is 1380 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,400 Speaker 4: not the same thing as validation. It is exactly a 1381 01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 4: validated So it's a it's also that's what it is, right, 1382 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,240 Speaker 4: it's a validation of those ten million followers. Yeah, and 1383 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,640 Speaker 4: it's putting you in conversation with all these people with 1384 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,559 Speaker 4: the legacy of the people who have been on the cover, which. 1385 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,320 Speaker 1: Is why I was gonna let this sit, but I'm 1386 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 1: going back to it. Yeah, you mentioned Annie Leibovitz, and 1387 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,439 Speaker 1: like all the discourses, that's why. That's what all the 1388 01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,920 Speaker 1: discourse around Annie Leibovitz like doesn't understand, is that a 1389 01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,400 Speaker 1: part of the thing with the images that Annie creates, 1390 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,719 Speaker 1: the reason why she keeps getting booked, is it's partially 1391 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: because people want to be associated with having an Ani photo. 1392 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,760 Speaker 1: They want to be in conversation with the canon of 1393 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,000 Speaker 1: images that she has taken. 1394 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 5: Honestly, sorry, no, that's honest. 1395 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,479 Speaker 3: On a conversation of like covers in general, which I 1396 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,720 Speaker 3: think that the three of us like might have a 1397 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:01,920 Speaker 3: lot of opinions. 1398 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,639 Speaker 5: On people also don't understand why people are on the cover. 1399 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,200 Speaker 3: Like most of the time, it's like there's so many 1400 01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,240 Speaker 3: different like political and financial like mechanations that go into 1401 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,640 Speaker 3: why someone is on the cover, And a lot of 1402 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,680 Speaker 3: times there are like six or seven people that were 1403 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:17,920 Speaker 3: reached out to first. 1404 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Before that cover, are booked before that cover. I've heard 1405 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,120 Speaker 1: those conversations. 1406 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,120 Speaker 3: We've heard those conversations, and it's like that when when 1407 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,839 Speaker 3: covers come out and people were like, well, why this person, 1408 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 3: It's like, actually, there's seven hundred reasons why this person 1409 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:30,840 Speaker 3: isn't usually. 1410 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,439 Speaker 1: Because there were like five people who weren't available or something. 1411 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of the time, or also it's just 1412 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 3: because of something political or something deeply internal to Vogue 1413 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,960 Speaker 3: or whatever magazine that where it's just like the editor 1414 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 3: had a relationship with this person or this person you 1415 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,200 Speaker 3: know has been on doc for a really long time, 1416 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,840 Speaker 3: or like I'm thinking about like when Rue had her 1417 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,919 Speaker 3: cover or whatever and was like everyone was like finally, 1418 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,680 Speaker 3: It's like most people don't know that, sorry alloydedly that 1419 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,240 Speaker 3: Ru had been asked to do a. 1420 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,719 Speaker 1: Cover of Vogue for like been on the cover of Vogue. 1421 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh I thought he was on the cover. No, no, no, no, yeah, 1422 01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,600 Speaker 1: he had a spread and that was this is what 1423 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, the Nuance, but that was the Kim 1424 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,839 Speaker 1: Kardashian cover. The camp also was scrutinized. It was scrutinized 1425 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 1: because people were like, Roue should have been on this cover. Oh, 1426 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,639 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why, that's why it was a camp. 1427 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 1: And the shoot looked like it could have been a 1428 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,639 Speaker 1: cover and it was. It was. It was the camp 1429 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,200 Speaker 1: like it was for that exhibit, and it was like 1430 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 1: the photo of Kim was like this, like she what 1431 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I think she's like wet hair or something like is 1432 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,519 Speaker 1: this camp or whatever? The fuck? 1433 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:32,200 Speaker 5: It's like it's not. 1434 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,320 Speaker 1: But so then like that story with Rue is I 1435 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,240 Speaker 1: think it's so hilarious, which also was shot by Annie, 1436 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,360 Speaker 1: But did you like read the story which she. 1437 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 5: Like about how she tried to get her and he was. 1438 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,920 Speaker 1: Like, take off the crown and Ru was like no, 1439 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 1: She was like, it's a whole different thing. If I 1440 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,639 Speaker 1: take off the crown, I'm not taking off. 1441 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,640 Speaker 3: The But apparently Ru had been asked to be on 1442 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,200 Speaker 3: Vogue many many times and declined. Same thing with SNL 1443 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,160 Speaker 3: and Rue had been asked to be on SNL MA anytime. 1444 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,280 Speaker 1: I probably I mean with Ru. Rue is also like 1445 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,800 Speaker 1: even before social media and like people were like and 1446 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,040 Speaker 1: more celebrities became more independent and like would say no 1447 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,640 Speaker 1: and decline. Rue would. Rue was very specific about, like 1448 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,240 Speaker 1: the ways in which she wanted to be portrayed and 1449 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 1: on what platforms. So for example, I could see Ru 1450 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,360 Speaker 1: being like, I'm not doing Vogue in this track or 1451 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,479 Speaker 1: like I want to do it like you know, this way, 1452 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,439 Speaker 1: and like them being like, well no, we want control, 1453 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and Ru being like that's great, We're just not gonna 1454 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yeah, she's always from 1455 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,880 Speaker 1: my understanding is it for a very long time she 1456 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 1: has been very specific about like what she will and 1457 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,599 Speaker 1: will not do, and if she doesn't think it makes sense, 1458 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: she just won't do it. As much like Anna. 1459 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, Ruin and Anna are very similar. 1460 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,559 Speaker 3: Also, like you think they've explored each other's body. Honestly, 1461 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,320 Speaker 3: I am fascinating. I would be fascinated to hear the 1462 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,719 Speaker 3: conversations that have probably had that have been had between 1463 01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,680 Speaker 3: them at least at some point in time. But like, yeah, no, 1464 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,639 Speaker 3: it's they're like, if us, if it's about control with Rue, 1465 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,599 Speaker 3: about not wanting to do it, if it's not about that, 1466 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,280 Speaker 3: it's it's like Ru's like, oh, I'm sorry, Vogue, I'm 1467 01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 3: very busy being the host of a game show, a 1468 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,519 Speaker 3: live Tic tac toe game show, and that is actually 1469 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,719 Speaker 3: more worth my time higher episode. 1470 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah we should. 1471 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,599 Speaker 3: At some point we will wait, have you ever met 1472 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:21,439 Speaker 3: have you ever met Anna? 1473 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:22,960 Speaker 1: Yes? I interviewed. 1474 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,439 Speaker 3: Okay, wait, what can you so without disclosing you know, 1475 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,760 Speaker 3: is h without disclosing any details. 1476 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:30,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to? 1477 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:31,839 Speaker 5: What was the experience? 1478 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:32,000 Speaker 3: Like? 1479 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:32,639 Speaker 1: What did you wear? 1480 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,559 Speaker 3: First of all, I don't remember, no, no, no no, 1481 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:36,759 Speaker 3: I literally do not remember. 1482 01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,760 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, I don't. I don't. I really don't. 1483 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,120 Speaker 1: But I think I wore my like blazer, and then 1484 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,559 Speaker 1: I know I wore a wide trouser. Did I wear 1485 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,160 Speaker 1: the black version of this? I think I wore like 1486 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm wearing jack Miss trousers now, and I probably wore 1487 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,360 Speaker 1: like the black version of these. They're like these wide 1488 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,400 Speaker 1: leg trouser. I'm pretty sure I wore that and like 1489 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:05,240 Speaker 1: a blazer, but I mean it was fine. The thing 1490 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,760 Speaker 1: is that like I've always been told she's extremely straightforward, 1491 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,400 Speaker 1: straight to the point, and she is. I walk in. 1492 01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,599 Speaker 1: I think she's with her seven assistants, No, just one. 1493 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,519 Speaker 1: Like they reach out to me like and we're like, hi, 1494 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,880 Speaker 1: we're like looking for someone for this role. We were. 1495 01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Anna was told that like you would be good for it, 1496 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,240 Speaker 1: she would like to meet with you. And I was like, okay, 1497 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,800 Speaker 1: and you've been summoned. No, that's how I feel. 1498 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,880 Speaker 3: It feels like a summoning. It's meant to feel like 1499 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 3: a summoning. They do that on purpose. 1500 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,439 Speaker 1: And I emailed because they understand it and yeah, and 1501 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,280 Speaker 1: so like I I think I emailed something. I think 1502 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: I guess it's okay or something. And they were like 1503 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: this day this time. 1504 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,719 Speaker 5: I was like yes, yes, yes, doesn't matter. 1505 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,640 Speaker 3: So then you're like canceling, like you like nephews like 1506 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,639 Speaker 3: bar Mits or whatever. 1507 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,439 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm sorry my birthday. So I go into 1508 01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,680 Speaker 1: the meeting. She she wasn't in there, like someone that 1509 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,439 Speaker 1: came brought me and sat me down, this like very 1510 01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,680 Speaker 1: nondescript from not her office. And she comes in. I 1511 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,720 Speaker 1: shook her hen she has her sunglasses on, she has 1512 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,280 Speaker 1: her resume. 1513 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,560 Speaker 4: My resume she has. 1514 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Printed out scary and I had brought it just in 1515 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,679 Speaker 1: case because I was like, she's an older no offense, 1516 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,000 Speaker 1: she's an older lay fast, no fash. Yeah, I just 1517 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 1: just like she probably would like to see. And I 1518 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,920 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna assume that she looked at 1519 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,160 Speaker 1: it already. And so she sits down and the first 1520 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,280 Speaker 1: question she asks me is literally I'm not gonna say 1521 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the exactly, but she's like, oh, I see that this 1522 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,320 Speaker 1: is not on your resume. Like the background check. 1523 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 3: That I did on you doesn't quite light her up 1524 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,400 Speaker 3: with the things that are on this is that kind 1525 01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:46,760 Speaker 3: of No. 1526 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,320 Speaker 1: She was basically saying, like, this skill that is needed 1527 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,720 Speaker 1: for this job resented on your resume. She was like, 1528 01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:00,400 Speaker 1: but I do have your sniffiest profile there, and so 1529 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,519 Speaker 1: like like that was the first It wasn't like was 1530 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,479 Speaker 1: the meeting fifteen minutes? No, no, no, we I think 1531 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,920 Speaker 1: we were in there for like forty. They did tell 1532 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,720 Speaker 1: me that it was going to be like everybody was like, oh, 1533 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,559 Speaker 1: it'll be very abbreviated, but it was. 1534 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,040 Speaker 3: But Anna decides how long it is, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1535 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,040 Speaker 3: And you go in assuming that it's going to be 1536 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Yeah, she believes that most meeting should be 1537 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,640 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. 1538 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: And I assume that it was gonna be a fifteen 1539 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 1: to twenty minute meeting. We got in there, it was 1540 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,559 Speaker 1: I think it was like thirty or forty, which was 1541 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,559 Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, maybe I did like fine, 1542 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:34,439 Speaker 1: And then I thought that I completely bombed it because 1543 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:35,800 Speaker 1: she like at the end she was like, oh, can 1544 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,920 Speaker 1: you do this thing for me? And I thought she 1545 01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,920 Speaker 1: just like did that out of habit and like whatever. 1546 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 1: But then I had to talk to like the head 1547 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,439 Speaker 1: of people or hr there and they were like, no, 1548 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,320 Speaker 1: if Anna didn't like you, she would have asked you 1549 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,519 Speaker 1: to do nothing. Yeah, she would have said, they would 1550 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,760 Speaker 1: have gotten back to you. 1551 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,120 Speaker 3: So you're asked for a material, Yeah, she was. He 1552 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,720 Speaker 3: was like, Sarah asked you to do a thing for her. 1553 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,240 Speaker 3: Then like you're still thing. She was like, you're still 1554 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,960 Speaker 3: very much in She's like she's not going to waste 1555 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,280 Speaker 3: her time looking at a thing. 1556 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,200 Speaker 1: You did you were you nervous? 1557 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:06,639 Speaker 4: Oh? 1558 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,559 Speaker 1: I was extremely nervous. So what did you what was 1559 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:09,200 Speaker 1: like your body? 1560 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,120 Speaker 3: Well, how did do you remember anything about like how 1561 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,800 Speaker 3: you felt or like when you walked out and you're 1562 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,360 Speaker 3: like I bombed that, Like what else from the experience 1563 01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,559 Speaker 3: can you glean from her mannerisms or like. 1564 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean she just wears the same thing. 1565 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,920 Speaker 1: She's like this little dress, like. 1566 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,519 Speaker 4: She wears the same like kind of Flora's like. 1567 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,559 Speaker 1: Yeah most of the yeah. And so she looked great, 1568 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,320 Speaker 1: she looked she looked very much like the That's the 1569 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,200 Speaker 1: thing is like it's not like she gets in this 1570 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,120 Speaker 1: caricature when she like goes she every day with the 1571 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,839 Speaker 1: shades and so like thinking about that, I was dagging 1572 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,080 Speaker 1: about was I was like, she's really in this interview 1573 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,559 Speaker 1: with these shades. I was gagging. 1574 01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about that clip of her when that that 1575 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,080 Speaker 3: woman asked her for her. 1576 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,240 Speaker 1: I d outside of the car or whatever she was. 1577 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 3: She was like like you no wait, Michel came to 1578 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 3: the studio with no idea, which like everybody, I you 1579 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,760 Speaker 3: were any character girl, you were you were doing. 1580 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,040 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, I never go anywhere with an I 1581 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:18,040 Speaker 1: D like you are winter unless I'm going to a club. 1582 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, why do I I need papers? 1583 01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,439 Speaker 3: The virgin and the virgins can't see you right now, 1584 01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,080 Speaker 3: but you are wearing like wrap around chanelle shades and. 1585 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 4: You know, a bob like this is a way to 1586 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,000 Speaker 4: sort of like wrap up, like, what is your your 1587 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,479 Speaker 4: Anna Wintour look like I was when you solidify the 1588 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,520 Speaker 4: fran look that you want to be burned into people's memories? 1589 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:41,439 Speaker 4: What is it? 1590 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:42,679 Speaker 1: Did I ever have a uniform? 1591 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,360 Speaker 3: Yes, you all know, like when we work together, I 1592 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,559 Speaker 3: you know, wore all black. It was a very easy 1593 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 3: way to make Zara look expensive. It was a very 1594 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,839 Speaker 3: easy way to you know, not let people see my outfit, 1595 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 3: not to judge me based on what I was wearing. 1596 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,720 Speaker 3: And you're also colorblind, yes, and I'm colorblind. So it's 1597 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,000 Speaker 3: just like, you know, a layer of things that I 1598 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,640 Speaker 3: don't have to worry about in the more. And like 1599 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,439 Speaker 3: also like with editors, like our day starts at like 1600 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,639 Speaker 3: six or seven, and so it's just like I don't, 1601 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,559 Speaker 3: like my brain didn't have the capacity to like put 1602 01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,439 Speaker 3: an outfit together. Since then, I am now have ENUF 1603 01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,040 Speaker 3: for raid into color, And I don't know what my 1604 01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 3: uniform is. I am like a kind of big, big pants, 1605 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,759 Speaker 3: tiny top kind of girl, which is like basic, basic 1606 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:20,480 Speaker 3: and tiktoki. 1607 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know if I necessarily. 1608 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,760 Speaker 3: Have a uniform now, But I would like to you 1609 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,960 Speaker 3: have a uniform, I tell. 1610 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,640 Speaker 1: I kind of do, and I kind of don't. I 1611 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,519 Speaker 1: mean I think that if I was like a like 1612 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,519 Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, I love a very I like 1613 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:40,400 Speaker 1: a wide leg trouser. I like a smaller top, and 1614 01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,040 Speaker 1: then I like a huge coat over it all because 1615 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,320 Speaker 1: like I kind of love the idea and like I 1616 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,639 Speaker 1: love like something that's a little bit a line when 1617 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,800 Speaker 1: like you have the coat on, because I kind of 1618 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,960 Speaker 1: love the idea of being like completely ensconced in this 1619 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,120 Speaker 1: thing and like people can't really like tell what's going 1620 01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 1: on with the figure. And then my the reveal of 1621 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:09,960 Speaker 1: like no, this is bigger, you just see this waste. 1622 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,960 Speaker 1: And then also like everything below the waist is like 1623 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,599 Speaker 1: quite imorphously because it's this huge trouser, but like it's 1624 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,799 Speaker 1: like this small torso like waste. And then like, Okay, 1625 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,320 Speaker 1: this is a great silhouette, which is hilarious because it's 1626 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,559 Speaker 1: just like the silhouette of like having a long skirt 1627 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,320 Speaker 1: like a woman. But that's what I've always like really 1628 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,040 Speaker 1: been obsessed with. 1629 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,520 Speaker 3: But you, I mean, you look great in an oversized 1630 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,719 Speaker 3: fit and also like wearing all black witch you frequently 1631 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,800 Speaker 3: do like forces you to just think about silhouettes, Yeah, 1632 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,760 Speaker 3: which I think is like texture. I think that that's 1633 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,240 Speaker 3: on the like fashion and styling front. The thing that 1634 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,720 Speaker 3: like most people don't understand when they're like putting an 1635 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 3: outfit together or styling themselves. 1636 01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,400 Speaker 5: It's like it's like the silhouette matters a lot. 1637 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly yeah, if you take especially if you take 1638 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,160 Speaker 1: color out of this situation, it doesn't matter a lot. 1639 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,719 Speaker 1: And like even this, like I love like little things 1640 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,400 Speaker 1: that are like because if you generally were all black, 1641 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,400 Speaker 1: you get a few like colored pieces in it. Like 1642 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,320 Speaker 1: obviously they do a lot of work. So like today 1643 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,439 Speaker 1: I have one like black shoes like this black polo, 1644 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,599 Speaker 1: this black huge overcoat from Acne, and these like green 1645 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,519 Speaker 1: jacquesess like wide leg trousers, and the effect when I'm 1646 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,000 Speaker 1: walking down the street and i have my coat on 1647 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,040 Speaker 1: because the code so long, it's like you really don't 1648 01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,680 Speaker 1: see the whole trouser. You see like five inches of 1649 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,760 Speaker 1: the trouser. But it's like a little skirts little people. 1650 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,960 Speaker 1: But then it's also like when I'm walking, like if 1651 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the co opens, you see these flashes of green of 1652 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,160 Speaker 1: and like I think about that, I'm like I'm like 1653 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:40,960 Speaker 1: that's so shiite, Like I'm literally walking down thinking about 1654 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,920 Speaker 1: the effect that it's having up like, oh yeah, you're 1655 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,439 Speaker 1: having your ant. 1656 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:55,760 Speaker 4: Q slide into our dm so and let us know 1657 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,240 Speaker 4: what you think about Anna Wintour, who's your fashion early 1658 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,479 Speaker 4: of choice? What was your favorite mett Gala look. 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