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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radios, How Stuff Works. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the horror show. I'm Josh, there's Charles,

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Speaker 1: have you Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and um,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um, I don't know. Maybe some parents might

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Speaker 1: depends on what you title this thing. They might think

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Speaker 1: ed Gan was like a children's show host or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's possible. So, yeah, it's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: We preface this with this one is really just not

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Speaker 1: for kids. I don't even know what agent would really start.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. It's really grizzly and gross. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe no one should listen to this. How about that? Um,

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Speaker 1: at l H hyphen St dot com. Enough set, that's great,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Chuck. So we're talking about ed Geene, who is

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Speaker 1: most decidedly not a children's show host. Um, although ironically

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Speaker 1: the most shocking thing I've ever read in my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he was a threat to anything, but

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Speaker 1: that was not his m O. No kids weren't, which

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Speaker 1: He's probably still a child killer. It just doesn't fit there.

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Speaker 1: He had a very specific m O for sure as

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Speaker 1: far as killers go, and he doesn't qualify as far

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Speaker 1: that's true. So he's possibly a serial killer, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And if you um have never heard of edg geen

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Speaker 1: But I would wager that you have at least encountered

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Speaker 1: some character based on him, because there's probably no real

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Speaker 1: Who's inspired more utterly deranged characters than Ed Gene has. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, I mean we we know the Big Three

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Speaker 1: exactly who was right? None of which are Hannibal Elector. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Hannibal Elector was even like man, that guy's off his rocker,

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Speaker 1: He was born little Edward Theodore Geen, And I'd like

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Speaker 1: It was just as hellish as it was at home. Basically, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: later on he was caught just so utterly red handed.

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00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. But they spent hours and hours, like

428
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: maybe ten twelve hours during that first um, that first investigation,

429
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a big house, but they were just

430
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: turning up so much horrible, twisted, bizarre stuff made out

431
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: of body parts that it just took that long to

432
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: catalog and and combed through everything. Um. But he said, no,

433
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: I've been robbing graves because I am capable of raising

434
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: the dead, So I go and rob graves. And the

435
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: first grave I ever robbed was my mother's grave about

436
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: a year and a half after she died back in Um.

437
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: I went to the grave site, dug her up, I

438
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: opened her casket, and I pulled her head clean off

439
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: of her body with my bare hands, which is the

440
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: grizzliest thing any human being has ever done in their

441
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: entire life, in the history of the world. Yeah, but

442
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: it's interesting in the uh they never went and exhumed

443
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: the grave site as part of the investigation, which is

444
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: really strange. So they're taking Edgain's word for it. I guess,

445
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: um they had dug up other ones chucks, So I

446
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe they were just satisfied that, like

447
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: promise they found one or two, They're like, fine, we'll

448
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: believe you on the rest of them. And I guess

449
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: maybe in the nineteen forties that was like they got

450
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: their man, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not

451
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: sure what that would have done in the case of

452
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: his mother's grave. You know, sure it's like, hey, what

453
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: whatever you do to your mother's eighteen month old corps

454
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: is your business. I guess I don't think that. I

455
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: don't think that was a case. Uh. But this is

456
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: where Errol Morris weirdly comes into the story. Uh. And

457
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we talked about this on another episode

458
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: at some point. Oh really this was news to me.

459
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: But Errol Morris, the documentary filmmaker, he was going to

460
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: do a story about ed Geen spent about a year

461
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: in playing Field in the seventies doing his research that

462
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: he uh, he never made the film, but his pal

463
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Verner Hertzog, they had sort of a interesting relationship over

464
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: the years. But Berner Herzog said, you know what, you're

465
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: going to go back and dig up the grave and

466
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: the dead of night. Rold and Errol uh did not

467
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: show up. Apparently herd Zog did though they had the Yeah,

468
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: they had like an appointed night and day and time

469
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: and everything, and Herzog was there right probably with the

470
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: shovel or two and maybe some coffee and donuts. I

471
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: would imagine snacks were not in order. But you never know,

472
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: think Caeryl Morris made the right decision in that in

473
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: that case, because you know, grave robbing, even for verification

474
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: for a research project or research for a project that's

475
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that kind of thing. So,

476
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: as far as we know then, no one has ever

477
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: verified Ed's story about his his him taking his mother's head,

478
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of other good evidence that that

479
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: that was the case, that he did do that, because

480
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: one of the things they found in his house were

481
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: faces human faces of women. And this is a really

482
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: important point here, women all roughly of the same age build, um,

483
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: look kind of and all of those women happened to

484
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: look kind of like his mother. And so over the

485
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: years a lot of people have said, like, why did

486
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: he do this? What was the problem? But one of

487
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: the first psychiatrists after he was caught, and we'll talk

488
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: a little more about and being caught, but um, one

489
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: of the first psychiatrists who examined him, said, UM, I'm

490
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: pretty sure I have figured out why this guy did this.

491
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: He was robbing graves and trying to resurrect the dead,

492
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: when really he was trying to resurrect his mother, and

493
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: he was robbing the graves of women who looked like her.

494
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: Both of the women, Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden who

495
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: he murdered, they bore a rough resemblance to his mom.

496
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: And so what he was ultimately doing in his head

497
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: was was creating a substitute mother, or recreating his mom,

498
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: reanimating his mom so that she could never leave him again,

499
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: because he brought her back from death. In reality, if

500
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: you were a teenager looking through egg Gean's window at night,

501
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: he was dressing up in a suit of skin made

502
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: from women who he had murdered or whose graves he

503
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: dug up so that he could pretend more accurately to

504
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: be his mother. That's right. Uh, he admits, Like you said,

505
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: he was called super red handed, so he admitted fully

506
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: to those murders. Although uh Hogan's the confession about Hogan

507
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: was ruled it admissible because they basically, you know, beat

508
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: him to a pulp while he was in the waiting room. Well.

509
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: Plus also with with Bernice Warden, he he always said

510
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: that it was an accident, which was bs, but that

511
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: he never confessed to purposefully murdering her. That's right. Um,

512
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: it was you know, and inappropriately, uh, I guess inaccurately

513
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: relayed that there was a human heart, uh and a

514
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: frying pan on the stove. Um. It turns out that

515
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: was not true, but that was enough to get rumors

516
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: started that he was a necrophile. That he was a

517
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: cannibal and was eating human organs because human organs were

518
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: found all over the place. Uh, it seems like that's

519
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: probably not true. Um, but maybe we should take a

520
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: break and talk a little bit about the trial of

521
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: ed Gen and what happened right after this. Well, wait

522
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: a minute, wait a minute, before we take a break, Chuck,

523
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: let's just say he was convicted. We'll be right back

524
00:29:51,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: right after this. So we're on the other side of

525
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger again, that's right. Uh. Edgean has a lawyer

526
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: named William Belter who throws in not guilty by reason

527
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: of insanity plea. And at the time he was found

528
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: unfit to stand trial in because they diagnosed him as

529
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: having schizophrenia, and uh, he went to Central State Hospital,

530
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: where he stayed for ten years until they finally did

531
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: say you are fit to stand trial ten years later. Uh.

532
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: And then sort of anticlimactically, he was found guilty of

533
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: the murder of Bernice Warden, um, but found insane at

534
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: the time. So basically, just go back to Central State Hospital, right,

535
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: And he petitioned years after that, in nineteen seventy four

536
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: to be released. He was like, Okay, maybe I was

537
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: crazy at the time. I'm not anymore, let me out,

538
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: and they said no. He said okay, and he never

539
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: He never tried again. He would have had much of

540
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a shot. No, apparently the guy, the doctor, the director

541
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: of the hospital, the Central State Hospital, used to receive

542
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: pretty frequently death threats if if he ever let ed

543
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: Geen out. Yeah, I'm sure that he didn't even need those. So. UM.

544
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people, including the judge who presided over

545
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: a Gain's case in nineteen sixty eight, who went on

546
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: to write a book, strongly suspected Gaine was responsible for

547
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: other disappearances and murders, not just his brother Henry's, but

548
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: also some local ones. There were two hunters who went

549
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: missing in nineteen fifty one. Um. The only thing that

550
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: was ever found of them was one of their jackets

551
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: and their dog, one of their dogs, but they in

552
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: their cars just vanished mysteriously. Um. And again was later

553
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: questioned about and he's it. I didn't kill him, but

554
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: my neighbor did. And I can show you where the

555
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: bodies are, and I guess the authorities went. Now that's okay. Um.

556
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: There was an eight year old girl who went missing.

557
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: A fifteen year old girl who went missing. Um. And

558
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: so some people think that Edging really did kill multiple people.

559
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: And it's possible because he still never admitted to murdering

560
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: Bernice Warden, right, So maybe he did and he just

561
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: would have never fessed up. I don't know, but it does,

562
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: like you were saying way earlier, it goes against his

563
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: m o murdering kids and then murdering men. What he

564
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: was after were women that looked like his mother. That's

565
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: that was my impression. Yeah, And as you would expect, uh,

566
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: a house like this, after something like this goes on,

567
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: becomes It was already sort of the stuff of legends

568
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: because of kids poking their face in and seeing you know,

569
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: heads hanging on the wall. But after this happened, like

570
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: you you can imagine exactly like what happens, people are

571
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: coming by to see the how else driving by the

572
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: House of Horrors, vandalizing the House of Horrors. Um. They

573
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: posted notice eventually that the contents of the house and

574
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: the farm we're going to be auctioned. And you know, understandably,

575
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: the townspeople went nuts. Uh, They're like, you can't auction

576
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: this stuff out. We've already got enough problems with the

577
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: notoriety in our little, quiet, small town that we all

578
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: love population And in March twentieth they took matter into

579
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: their own hands, seemingly allegedly because the house burned to

580
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: the ground one night and they never uh, they never

581
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: caught who did it, But it's pretty clear that it

582
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: was an entire town of people with pitchforks and torches. Yeah,

583
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're handing out like kool aid and

584
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: saltines at that thing as refreshments. I think the whole

585
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: town did it, you know. Yeah, But it did not

586
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: stop the curiosity of this house. Of course it didn't.

587
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean like people still came and still do go

588
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: to to see the lot where this was. Um, but

589
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: it did. It was probably pretty effective to to cut

590
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: down a lot of looky lose. There was no real

591
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: pilgrimage or shrine for people to go to with with

592
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: just an empty field. I think maybe like the driveways

593
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: still there, I don't know, Um, it's not much to

594
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: look at. So yeah, there's gonna be a lot less

595
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: people that come to playing field. But a couple of

596
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: things were auctioned off, one of which was supposedly as

597
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: cauldron where he kept um disemboweled embowels. I guess um

598
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: that is not necessarily ever been proven as correct. That

599
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: actually is his cauldron is just allegedly as cauldron. But

600
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: his car was definitely auctioned off um. And there's a

601
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: bidding war that that that started between like fourteen bidders,

602
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: and the winning bid was from Bunny Gibbon, who was

603
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: a carnival sideshow operator who bought the car to promote

604
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: at sideshows. And Bunny Gibbon started promoting it as ed

605
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: geins Ghoul car which he used to transport bodies to

606
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: and from the rave and transported Bernice Warden back to

607
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: his house and Bunny Gibbons put a a mannequin in

608
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: the cars again as the driver and a mannequin as

609
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: Bernice Warden's body and charged twenty five cents to come

610
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: take a peek at it. Yeah, and he sold a

611
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of those admission tickets. UH sold like two thousand

612
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: of him over a two day period. It's a lot

613
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: for a carnival, it is. And you know, people are

614
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: attracted to the macab and I kind of always have been.

615
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: So he made a little money. Um, although it was

616
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: very controversial and he got some good good bad publicity

617
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: because of it, which was fine with him. Um, But

618
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: at some point some of these fair started to say, no,

619
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let you come in here and bring

620
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: this car in here. We're basically going to shut you down. Uh.

621
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: The sheriff arrived at one and shut him down, and

622
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: then he basically said, you know what I'm taking. I'm

623
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: taking my car onto greener pastures in Illinois. We're hopefully

624
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: I'll be able to show my car there. Yeah. I

625
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: guess Illinois was fine with it, or it just petered

626
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: out or something, because after that, the trail kind of

627
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: goes cold, and no one has any idea what became

628
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: of ed Gein's car. So it may be out there somewhere.

629
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: It may be in parts in different cars. It may

630
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: just be a cube, who knows it. Maybe part of

631
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: your refrigerator could be. But no one knows what happened

632
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: to ed Gaen's car. Yeah, we do know what happened

633
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: to ed Gain's cauldron. Uh. If that was in fact

634
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: his cauldron, woman named Evelyn Mayer bought it in n

635
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: and planted flowers in it representing the victims. Fifty years later,

636
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: her grandson Dan McIntyre found it in his parents garage,

637
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: had it verified by people from the auction that they

638
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Speaker 1: were you know, they at least say that was that

639
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: was the one. Uh. And then four years ago it

640
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: was auctioned off and now is on display at Basin's

641
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: Haunted Museum in Las Vegas. Wow. I would go see that, wouldn't.

642
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: You don't know. I don't know if I would fly

643
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: out in Vegas to see it or anything like that,

644
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: but if I were walking down the street and they're like,

645
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: come on in, I'd probably go in. I don't think

646
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in that stuff. Um. I want to

647
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: also let me give a shout out because I hadn't

648
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: heard anything about the cauldron before, but um, I found

649
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: out about that from the site Cult of Weird. Cult

650
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: of Weird. I'm not sure. It's a good little site,

651
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: and I think they might actually be based in Wisconsin.

652
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: So I just want to tip my hat to them

653
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: for teaching me about Gaine's Cauldron. Interesting, So, Chuck, When

654
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: um Ed Gaine was still alive, he was very much

655
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: a legend. He didn't die until and long before that

656
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: he was basically made into this legendary boogeyman. When the

657
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: first character that was based on him hit the big screen.

658
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: It was a Norman Bates and Hitchcock's Psycho, and Hitchcock

659
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: had made this movie based on a book that had

660
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: come out I think the year before by an author

661
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: named Robert Block, also called Psycho, and Block was from Wisconsin,

662
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: so he kind of fashioned the meat of the story,

663
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: or the bones of the story around the edgeen crimes.

664
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Speaker 1: Was that intentional? The bones are the meat? Yeah? You

665
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: know what's really sad is it absolutely wasn't interesting. I

666
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: was like, what, why are you making that face? I

667
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: don't understand. Uh. The next movie was a little more

668
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: on the nose. Uh. In nine four there was a

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: low budge movie called Deranged and it was about a

670
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: killer name Ezra Cobb, but it was very clearly modeled

671
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: on ed geen Um. And when you look at even

672
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: the production stills of this thing, he's like eating brains

673
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: out of a skull and making suits of skin. It's

674
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: it looks really pretty horrific. It was a Canadian movie,

675
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: but it starred as Azra Cobb a k A. Ed

676
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: geene One, Robert's Blossom, one of my favorite character directors

677
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: who was no longer with us. What else was I in?

678
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: He played Old Man Marley and Home Alone? Okay, wow, wow,

679
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: I'll bet he did a good ed Geen. He did,

680
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: and when he was younger he looked. I mean, if

681
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: you think he was scary and in Home Alone, you

682
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: should have seen him when he was in his twenties.

683
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I can imagine those Canadians. Man, they'll they'll make a

684
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: ghastly film. Have you ever seen um uh um strange Brew.

685
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: I actually love that movie. Yeah, I bet you that.

686
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that one ages, I'll be curious.

687
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, what's a what's a movie

688
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: associated with Canada? And come on, Josh, come on. Um.

689
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: So the next step was actually the same year The

690
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Texas Chainsaw Masker came out, the same year that Deranged did.

691
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: And Toby Hooper knew about the egg Geen story because

692
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: he had relatives in Wisconsin who are like, listen to this,

693
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: and they told him. He said, I'm gonna grow up

694
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: to make a crazy movie about this based on this

695
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: some day, and he did. He made the Texas Chainsaw

696
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: Man o Secre, which was one of the all time

697
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: great that's just horror movies, but indie movies of all

698
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: time for sure. Have you ever read there's a Texas

699
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Monthly like long form article about the making of the

700
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Texas Chainsaw mascre. Have you ever read it? No, but

701
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: Texas Monthly is a pretty good rag. It is a

702
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: good rag. I think maybe Skip Pollen's worth throat. They've

703
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: got a few really great writers there. But um they

704
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: they used to There was another like much much bigger

705
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: like studio film shooting in the area at the same time,

706
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: and the crew from the Texas Chainsaw Masacre would go

707
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: to that set and act like they worked there for catering,

708
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: like during lunch and stuff like that. It would go

709
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: steel catering food and just pose like they were supposed

710
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: to be there, and then they go back in films more,

711
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: although they also frequently get kicked off a set and

712
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: get caught. I went to a catering trucker too in

713
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: my neighborhood in l A when I wasn't working on them. Well,

714
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: you're letting them, you're not ruining their shots, so they

715
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: owe you, you know. I was just getting to breakfast

716
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: Breedo occasionally. Uh So As far as Gene well, of course,

717
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: we mentioned Silence of the Lambs. Uh In n But

718
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: as far as Gene goes, he was a model prisoner

719
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: um or well, you know, I guess in the in

720
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: the home where he was it wasn't a prison. Well

721
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: he was in Carson. He wasn't honored to leave. So

722
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: do you call him a prisoner though? I guess patient? Patient? Inmate? Maybe?

723
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: How about inmate? All right? He was a model inmate. Uh.

724
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: There was one quote from a cook that said Eddie

725
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: was normally a very unassuming, quiet, helpful kind of guy.

726
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: You didn't know who what he had done, you would

727
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: think nothing of him. Uh. And like you said, he

728
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: died there in four Um of cancer and respiratory illness

729
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: on July and was buried in playing Field with his

730
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: family at three am, obviously too in the dead of night.

731
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Um ironically across from a grave that he had robbed. Um.

732
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: But they smartly eventually removed his headstone and put it

733
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: in storage because it was stolen in two thousand. Then

734
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: they founded in Seattle a few months later, they were like,

735
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: let's just leave this unmarked between Henry and Augustus Graves. Really,

736
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: what good is it doing? Like what are they saving

737
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: it for? You know? Oh? I mean there may be

738
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: laws against destroying a headstone. Oh I'll bet you're right.

739
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I'll bet you're right. So yeah, you can go visit

740
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: their graves now. And the gap in between their headstones

741
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: is that's where a gain is buried. And there's one

742
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: more thing, like we were a lot of people talk

743
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: about cannibalism, a lot of people talk about necrophilia, but

744
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: it's not at all clear that he ever ate any

745
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: person and that he ever engaged in any actual like

746
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: sex act with anybody that he murdered or dug up.

747
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: And in fact, remember he promised his mother that he

748
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: would remain a virgin his whole life. He said that

749
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: he had never had a sexual encounter with anybody else

750
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: living or dead, just himself, you know what I mean?

751
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: That was it. So he's probably not in necro file either.

752
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Let's say for Ed Gaine, Wow, this was a ghastly episode,

753
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Um. If you want to know more about

754
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Ed Gaine, mob, there's a lot that you could go read,

755
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: like we didn't even we purposefully didn't really go into

756
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: the stuff that they found at his house. It was

757
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: really bad. So if this floated your boat and you

758
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: want to get all sick, oh go check it out.

759
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: In the meantime, it's time for a listener mail. This

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Speaker 1: is called eyewitness identification. Real life story Here, Hey guys.

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00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: A few years ago, I saw a man crouching by

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00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: my neighbor's bike she kept locked to a chain fence

763
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: between our properties. Watch for a few moments to confirm

764
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: he was working towards stealing the bike. When I asked

765
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: him when he was doing, he muttered nothing, and I said, well,

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00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like you're trying to steal my

767
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: neighbor's bike, so I'm gonna call the cops now. First

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00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: of all, Karen, I don't know if that was you

769
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't probably engage that that man. That's true, but it

770
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: was pretty hilarious line. Yes, uh, he ignored me and continued.

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00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: So I stood there about five feet away, separated by

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00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: that chain link fence. He continued and uh, describing his

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00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: clothing and features to the police over the phone. When

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00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: the dispatcher asked how old he looked, it took everything

775
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: in me not to pause and ask him his age.

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00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the man got away with the bike before

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00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: the cops arrived, so they drove around looking for him,

778
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: came back a while later with a man on a

779
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: bike who did bear a very close resemblance to the thief.

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00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: Even the clothes were super similar. The guy matched the

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00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: description I had given so closely the cops would not

782
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: could not believe it when I repeated, uh, no, he's

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00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: not the guy. Uh. The only reason I was so

784
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: certain is because it took I really took the time

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00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: to look at him for a moment. I'm a terribly

786
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: unobservant person, and it really made me realize what a

787
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: poor witness I would make after the fact, how hard

788
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: it could be to note those necessary details when your

789
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: brain is on autopilot. They were never able to catch

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00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: the petty by thief, but very glad they didn't arrest

791
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: the innocent man. And how dumb am I for standing

792
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: next to a criminal? Well, I call the cops on him. Well,

793
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: at least she knows now, she's she's got some perspective. Now, Yeah,

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00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: she says, is before our camera phones and such, So

795
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: next time I'll just snap a picture. Yeah, sir, can

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00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: you look at me? Great? Thank you? And that is

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00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: from Karen and Memphis. And Karen said, come to a

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00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: show in Memphis. She said, you guys could sell out

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00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: the orpheum, No problem. Oh yeah, I looked it up

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00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: the orpheum sea so. Oh, I don't know, Karen, we

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00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: cannot sell out the orpheum, no problem. No, I don't

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00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: think so. If you have something about half that size, yeah,

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00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: we could try that. We might be in business. Maybe

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00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: we can do it to Memphis or a special show

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00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: at grace Land. That'd be pretty cool. Cheez, that'd be wonderful.

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00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: We could do it in that the television room, yeah,

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00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: or orton Sun Records, or on the Lisa Marie. Oh yeah,

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00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: was that the plane it's been on there? It's great. Okay, Well,

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00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with this, like Karen,

810
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: did Karen be a little safer next time? It's a bike? Okay? Um.

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