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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz.

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Speaker 1: Were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field. West.

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Speaker 1: We are one day closer to Week one Packers Bears

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night football here at lambeau Field. And uh, it

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Speaker 1: didn't take long this week for the first shot at

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Speaker 1: bulletin board material. I guess you could say a chem

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Speaker 1: Hicks defensive lineman lad the Packers and Sacks last year

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Speaker 1: did a conference call with Green Bay Media and Um

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Speaker 1: basically said, I don't think the Packers can block Khalil Mack. Now,

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Speaker 1: for context, apparently he was in the trainer's room doing

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Speaker 1: this conference call, and Khalil Mack was kind of right

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Speaker 1: next to him, or at least within earshot. So I

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Speaker 1: think he was having a little bit of fun and

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Speaker 1: and you know, getting his new teammates attention in terms

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Speaker 1: of the confidence that he has in him. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think more fun than anything else. But yet you know,

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Speaker 1: something to get people talking, Yeah, it was, I think

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Speaker 1: it was. Brian Bulaga had the perfect comment about this,

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Speaker 1: Like his teammates Koil Mac he's excited. He should be excited.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and certainly when you add a guy of

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Speaker 1: his caliber, how young he is, how accomplished he is

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Speaker 1: despite being that young. Um, it's gonna add a lot

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Speaker 1: of juice to a room. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: The bigger thing I think that's it's always tough with

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Speaker 1: stuff like this because I think sometimes things the context

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Speaker 1: gets lost if you're just looking at a quote. Uh

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Speaker 1: A Keem Hicks, I don't think he got on that

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Speaker 1: conference call being like, oh, I just want to disrespect everybody.

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Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to really pump up his

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Speaker 1: teammate and talked about how excited he is personally. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's coming off a pretty darn good year as well.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, when you get a guy

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Speaker 1: like you know, Khalil Mack in a defense, now that's

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Speaker 1: gonna open up more one on ones for me. So

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Speaker 1: it isn't just about what it's going to do to

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Speaker 1: improve that group, it's what it's gonna do to help

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Speaker 1: him as a pass rusher as well. Uh do you

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Speaker 1: look at Mac and and you know Mattnege moments before

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Speaker 1: Green Bay media, and you know, this whole week has

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Speaker 1: basically been dedicated with Vic Fangio and those in those

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Speaker 1: defensive coaches to try and to get Mac up to

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Speaker 1: speed on what is going to be asked of him

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Speaker 1: in this game. And from the Packers perspective, yes, it's

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Speaker 1: an unscouted look if you look at your entire off season,

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Speaker 1: but Brian Blog has seen him before. The Packers have

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Speaker 1: gone against Mac before. It's gonna be about taking that knowledge,

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Speaker 1: processing it quickly, and trying to put a good product

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Speaker 1: out on the field on Sunday night. Yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: you think of this matchup? Assuming that the matchup ends

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Speaker 1: up being blogged against Mac, which is what most people

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Speaker 1: are anticipating based on where Mac has lined up the

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Speaker 1: majority of his career for the Oakland Raiders. You look

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Speaker 1: back at that game in Oakland, when the Packers went

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Speaker 1: out there first quarter. I believe I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was the second series of the game.

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Speaker 1: Mac makes a wicked spin move and ends up getting

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Speaker 1: a sack on Aaron Rodgers. And you know that early

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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned yesterday Mac was on this like

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Speaker 1: you know, sack barrage of the last few weeks. But

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Speaker 1: then for three the last three and a half quarters

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Speaker 1: of that game, Khalil Mac added one assisted tackle to

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Speaker 1: his stat line for the game, and that was over

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Speaker 1: three and a half quarters. Now, Brian Blaga, to his credit,

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Speaker 1: he's not he wasn't standing at his locker yesterday, you know,

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Speaker 1: resting on that performance and saying, oh, you know, Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack I handled him before. You know, that's not That's

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Speaker 1: not Brian's approach, as it shouldn't be. He knows he's

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Speaker 1: going to have his hands full. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a fired up player. Guy wants to make the right

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Speaker 1: impression with his new teammates, all of that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But Brian Blaga is, uh, he's down to business. He's

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Speaker 1: a serious about this as it gets. He's confident in

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Speaker 1: what he can do, but he also respects his opponent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brian blagh is such a pro at this point.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's nine, you know, nine seasons into this now, Uh,

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Speaker 1: nothing is really new to him. And the you know

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Speaker 1: kind of analogy I threw out there, sort of thinking

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Speaker 1: at this whole process is this isn't you and your

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Speaker 1: buddies getting together for a football game on Saturday morning

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Speaker 1: and going up against another group of players, another group

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Speaker 1: of guys, and then somebody just brings out this you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, what are we gonna do about this? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is a short window here to prepare. I get that,

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Speaker 1: but this is you know, the coaching staff, James Campon

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Speaker 1: depending on how they want to use Mac. They're all

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Speaker 1: prepared for this. You know. It's not like they're just

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Speaker 1: going to be completely caught off guard. And you know,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about Bolaga and kind of what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about there with that Oakland game, and it

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Speaker 1: goes back to something he said in Kansas City when

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Speaker 1: he got the chance to go out there for a

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Speaker 1: handful of snaps. The biggest thing he got out of

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Speaker 1: those reps were going out there getting initial feel for

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Speaker 1: the game, in making those in game adjustments, making the

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Speaker 1: corrections that you can't make really when you're in practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can do certain things, but it's different when it's live.

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Speaker 1: I think that Oakland game was a perfect analogy of

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Speaker 1: that in that you know, Mac threw a move out

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Speaker 1: there early on, he learned from it, he adjusted, and

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Speaker 1: then pitched to shut out the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: That's what you have to do against the player of

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Speaker 1: this caliber, because he's a guy that's gonna get his rushes,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get his opportunities. He's too good not to.

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Speaker 1: But it's about limiting those moments and really continuing to

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's really valuable having a

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Speaker 1: guy like Brian Blog with his experience that you don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have a first or second year tackle out there

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Speaker 1: against Mac. You have a guy that's been through everything

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Speaker 1: right tackle can go through in this game, And for

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Speaker 1: my money, that's the reason why I think going into

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Speaker 1: this game, it's an excellent matchup to watch, but it's

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Speaker 1: also not one that I think is really panic stricken. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: playmakers are going to make plays in this league on

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Speaker 1: is when you're in charge of trying to limit them

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Speaker 1: or trying to stop that other guy, When do they

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Speaker 1: make that play, if they make it early in the

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Speaker 1: game as opposed to late in the game, that's a

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Speaker 1: win for you because, as you said, they made something happen,

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Speaker 1: You've made the adjustment, and you've you've won the war,

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Speaker 1: even though you might have lost that early battle. And

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Speaker 1: and that's how these games are decided totally. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: a certain element to that. Right now with the Bears

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Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, you have Nick Perry, you have

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews, you have a new system with Mike Petton.

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Speaker 1: They have to make those same type of adjustments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've had four or five six months to prepare for

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Speaker 1: this now, but it's still unscouted. There's still gonna be

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Speaker 1: things that both sides are gonna be thrown at each other.

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Speaker 1: And when you look historically the teams that prevail in

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Speaker 1: in this ballgame. On Sunday Night. Yeah, I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with regards to this Week one matchup. You look at

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Speaker 1: this Packers offense. If you were to pick one guy

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Speaker 1: who is walking into this new season taking on a

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Speaker 1: and that change being greater than anybody else on the

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Speaker 1: Packers offense, I think it's Geronimo Alison um He's held

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Speaker 1: of the off season to now. The drafting three wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: Jake Kumero's emergence everything all of that, notwithstanding, nobody budged

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Speaker 1: him from that number three spot. But this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who's never come into the season, come into a

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Speaker 1: have the confidence that Geronimo Allison is up to this,

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Speaker 1: even though this is a big change in a big

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Speaker 1: And I've gotten that sense really going back early into

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Speaker 1: that there was an understanding that Allison in many ways

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Speaker 1: talking to Allison and kind of reflecting on his journey

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Speaker 1: life personally, even you know, professionally at you know, as

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Speaker 1: He didn't let it become him. You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: also allowed him to really learn how he needs to

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Speaker 1: overcome adversity and what he needs to do to be successful.

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Speaker 1: You know, he goes from Tampa, he goes to Iowa Western,

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be the most exciting to see where

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Speaker 1: And as I wrote in the story, Mike McCarthy was

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Speaker 1: and as I said, no one was budging him from

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