Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
Speaker 1: of course fun. This week is another monumental episode of
Speaker 1: Climbing in Heels as we welcome our second ever male guest,
Speaker 1: the TikTok Sensation Jake Shane. I met Jake a few
Speaker 1: months ago and we instantly connected. His massive, massive success
Speaker 1: with both social media and his amazing podcast Therapus are
Speaker 1: clearly just the beginning of what will be a very
Speaker 1: long career in the entertainment industry. Without further ado, the adorable,
Speaker 1: hilarious Jake Shane. So, I'm very excited to have you,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to sort of hear all about
Speaker 1: you and how you became you because you're very young,
Speaker 1: and I weirdly think we have a lot of common interest.
Speaker 1: I know you love horoscopes and signs and the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which is just one of my greatest obsessions.
Speaker 2: Oh good, So you'll be able to tell me about it,
Speaker 2: because I like, I'm like obsessed, but like I don't know,
Speaker 2: and like I it's like a bit that I don't
Speaker 2: know anything. Like on my latest podcast episode, I told
Speaker 2: someone they were with cancer and they were a Gemini.
Speaker 2: Like it was just embarrassing.
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 3: I'm a scorpio.
Speaker 1: Scorpio, we shouldn't even be talking.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: I'm a Virgo?
Speaker 3: Wait? I love virgos? Is that not normal?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: It is. I think you guys love us. I think
Speaker 1: we struggle with you.
Speaker 3: But it's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm fare for it. But I'm also here to I'm
Speaker 1: also here to say that, like I'm really down to
Speaker 1: like love a Scorpio like I'm because I feel like
Speaker 1: I can be changed, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I can't be that judge. But again, I'm a virgo,
Speaker 1: so we are really freakin' judgy.
Speaker 2: Well, if it makes it better, my rising's Gemini and
Speaker 2: my moon is Gemini.
Speaker 3: So I come off as a Gemini a lot of
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I don't know that I click
Speaker 1: with a scorpio off the bat. You know, a hello,
Speaker 1: like we did?
Speaker 3: You know right? We said we clicked.
Speaker 1: We collected a hello like there was a hug and
Speaker 1: it was with Cade who we love. Yes, love love love,
Speaker 1: So I need to understand. Okay, So born and raised.
Speaker 3: Where I was born in Laka and then I.
Speaker 2: Moved, so it's not totally new, no, But I moved
Speaker 2: when I was two years old to Okay Fair, and
Speaker 2: then I kind of bopped around New York a little,
Speaker 2: and then where I really like settled was the suburbs
Speaker 2: Westchester from when I was six years old to I
Speaker 2: think eleven years old for twelve, I want to say
Speaker 2: eleven or twelve, and then I moved to Washington Heights
Speaker 2: in New York City because it was like hard to
Speaker 2: be getting the suburbs. And then my mom was also like,
Speaker 2: get me the fuck out of here. He moved to
Speaker 2: Washington Heights and I lived in Washington Heights from seventh grade.
Speaker 2: So when I was twelve to like twenty, I went
Speaker 2: to college at USC, so I moved to Lakay.
Speaker 1: So you've really had in New York laying.
Speaker 2: But during COVID, like I was twenty, and I like
Speaker 2: was in Washington Heights at the time because everyone went
Speaker 2: home and I was like, I can't be here, and
Speaker 2: so I went back to my college apartment in LA
Speaker 2: and like that's kind of when I really consider like
Speaker 2: done because we sold our place there and my parents
Speaker 2: live now out here with me and like, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we all moved out here.
Speaker 1: That's so fun. So you're super close with your parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love them. They grab me, but I love.
Speaker 1: Them Honestly, I don't. I live for my parents. But
Speaker 1: there's literally no one that can drive me more crazy
Speaker 1: than my parents. I think that's the job. I think
Speaker 1: it's like we're no.
Speaker 2: They know how to get like, they know how to
Speaker 2: like an, they know how to like poke like it's
Speaker 2: a trigger.
Speaker 1: That's where triggers came from. Your parents.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will say my mom has is never she's
Speaker 2: always excited about what I do. But she's just actually
Speaker 2: excited today because she always watched your show with me
Speaker 2: as a kid.
Speaker 3: Do it.
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. So did you when you
Speaker 1: were a kid watching me? Were you like that bitch
Speaker 1: is crazy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I actually didn't think you were crazy at all because
Speaker 2: my mom, because I like, I.
Speaker 1: Based does your mom love fashion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she loved fashion and she didn't think you were
Speaker 2: crazy like she loved you, and like I didn't think
Speaker 2: you were Like I kind of just based my opinion
Speaker 2: off what she thought, right, Okay, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well my.
Speaker 1: Mom as good as a good son does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I never thought you were crazy. I
Speaker 2: thought the show was great reality television.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
Speaker 2: I really like describe myself as like I was like
Speaker 2: a reality TV kid, like that's what I was watching,
Speaker 2: and I was watching me one, I was watching MTV,
Speaker 2: I was watching Bravo, I was watching E Like.
Speaker 3: I was like very into reality television.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this surprises your doesn't, because I
Speaker 1: did a show I have never seen another reality like
Speaker 1: I I could barely watch my show to.
Speaker 3: Ever wear like housewives anything.
Speaker 1: Literally never seen Housewives, like like never actually have seen Housewives?
Speaker 2: Why are you just like I are you just so
Speaker 2: like I can't like it reminds you too much of
Speaker 2: like your experience that I think I know too much.
Speaker 1: But I'll be very honest with you. I've pretty much
Speaker 1: winged my entire life, if that makes sense, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of went with it. And I think when
Speaker 1: I started my show everyone you know, when I was
Speaker 1: working on it, you know, I remember the head of
Speaker 1: Bravo was like, what are your favorite shows? And I
Speaker 1: was like, don't watch any. It was like when I
Speaker 1: wrote my books, what are your favorite books? Don't have any?
Speaker 1: So it was right, So I think it was just
Speaker 1: sort of like, I'm just going to wing this, and
Speaker 1: then I think it was hard enough for me to
Speaker 1: do the show. So I think it was sort of
Speaker 1: like when I'm not doing this, I'm not also watching
Speaker 1: other shows. I also don't love to be influenced in
Speaker 1: that way too. It's a little bit like when I
Speaker 1: had my clothes line, I didn't really love to look
Speaker 1: at other peoples because you don't want to even be
Speaker 1: subconsciously sort of swayed into something, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So like it's like an anxiety thing. I think it is.
Speaker 3: It's like it like makes me anxious.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to bioccidentally like copy something
Speaker 2: like subconsciously, and then, yeah, it's an anxiety thing.
Speaker 3: I totally get that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that, So I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. So I have really come
Speaker 1: to terms and am very open about the fact that
Speaker 1: I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has
Speaker 1: always been my superpower. I kind of really have. I
Speaker 1: don't really think I've ever considered my anxiety. I sort
Speaker 1: of make fun of myself about it, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to belittle it. I don't mean to use it
Speaker 1: as a as like an adjective, I guess, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I think I consider myself to be
Speaker 1: like an anxious person. But I don't necessarily look at
Speaker 1: it as a negative. I've kind of always looked at
Speaker 1: it as it's a little bit of my fire, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of my motivator. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: of the thing that like wakes me up in the
Speaker 1: morning and wants me to be better at something. I
Speaker 1: think that's how I've always used it. But I know
Speaker 1: that you're very open about anxiety and mental health in general,
Speaker 1: so I want to talk to you about that. So
Speaker 1: have you been this way like your whole life where.
Speaker 3: You yes, my entire my entire life, well like I'm.
Speaker 1: And are you open about it me too?
Speaker 2: So anxiety kind of comes with the territory, is what
Speaker 2: my parents always told.
Speaker 1: Me, which is why I never viewed as anxiety.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is just who we are, and
Speaker 2: I I just remember like always being anxious as a kid.
Speaker 2: I have really about OCD, so that like my anxiety.
Speaker 2: I view it kind of like if I didn't have that,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be motivated, I wouldn't be like good at
Speaker 2: like like I don't know like what I do exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't be good at like hosting or
Speaker 2: being passionate, Like.
Speaker 1: It's part of your personality. It's it's like you're fast,
Speaker 1: you move, you think a lot, you overthink a lot.
Speaker 3: There's just no getting rid of it. So like what
Speaker 3: am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like you know, I'm on
Speaker 2: meds and it'll subdu it, but there's no getting rid
Speaker 2: of it. So I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 2: be like it's the worst thing in the world because
Speaker 2: it's here, so like I might as well.
Speaker 3: Just it's like have you seen the movie Inside Out? Too?
Speaker 3: Not yet?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, now what's the one out? Now?
Speaker 3: Inside Out?
Speaker 2: They introduce anxiety, and like the whole concept of the
Speaker 2: movie is like kind of about the regulation of emotions
Speaker 2: and how every emotion is needed in some capacity, and
Speaker 2: like anxiety is needed in some capacity, and like anxiety
Speaker 2: doesn't mean like doesn't have ill intentions, it's just too
Speaker 2: much of it becomes a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree, And I it's funny because I
Speaker 1: remember when I lived in New York in my in
Speaker 1: my like heyday of the best years of my actual
Speaker 1: life pre children, and people used to be like, are
Speaker 1: you on drugs? And I'm like, no, not, Like at
Speaker 1: that point, I wasn't even barely drinking caffeine, and I
Speaker 1: just it's like this excitement. It's like an excite. But
Speaker 1: it also to your point, I think it's sort of
Speaker 1: like you are or you aren't, and you manage it
Speaker 1: or you don't, And it's how much you embrace it
Speaker 1: and cope with it and manage it. And I think,
Speaker 1: to your point, use it to help you use it
Speaker 1: as fuel, right, I think if you mentally look at
Speaker 1: it as fuel in many ways, then you can embrace
Speaker 1: it as a positive rather than something that you're scary
Speaker 1: and overwhelming.
Speaker 3: You know, you just.
Speaker 2: Need to know that once you know that, like what
Speaker 2: it's projecting isn't real, which isn't right. Very hard, it's
Speaker 2: not possible for me yet. Sorry, there's a garbage truck,
Speaker 2: a child.
Speaker 1: You are twenty four, You have so much more to
Speaker 1: cope with that, Like this is going to get easier
Speaker 1: for you in many ways.
Speaker 2: I've realized that, like working out helps it, and yeah,
Speaker 2: doing something creative helps it. Like I'm kind of narcissistic,
Speaker 2: So talking about myself helps it, Like.
Speaker 1: Just being honest, like by do I always be honest?
Speaker 1: I love you more for that. And also that's how
Speaker 1: you became you to being honest.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I remember. When this all kind of happened.
Speaker 2: I was kind of like like, I'm just like I've
Speaker 2: once you accept the fact that, like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: not everyone's transparent, but I would consider myself to be
Speaker 2: a pretty transparent person. Like everyone, even if I'm not
Speaker 2: being transparent, can see right through me and I can
Speaker 2: see what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Once I accepted that, like life got so much easier.
Speaker 1: You know, You've obviously had so much success and at
Speaker 1: a very young age. I mean I feel like you
Speaker 1: probably just graduated like two years ago, right, yeah, two
Speaker 1: years ago like last month? Oh my god, Like do
Speaker 1: you have this massive success pretty quickly? Right for being yourself?
Speaker 1: And I mean, what is that? What does that feel like?
Speaker 1: And was it intentional? You know, because like did you
Speaker 1: come out of school and be like this is what
Speaker 1: I'm doing or did this just kind of like you're
Speaker 1: just rolling with it?
Speaker 2: I was I thought I was going to work in
Speaker 2: music for the rest of my life. I had I
Speaker 2: was an intern at a record label since I was
Speaker 2: a junior or the summer of COVID, so right end
Speaker 2: of my sophomore year, and I kept that and then
Speaker 2: I took a break my senior year because I had
Speaker 2: done it for a year, like my entire junior year,
Speaker 2: and they were like okay, like finish college and come
Speaker 2: back and we can see if there's a full time
Speaker 2: position for you. And I like made this like octopus
Speaker 2: account in the meantime, just like to keep me busy.
Speaker 3: Like it was like funny, like it was just a joke.
Speaker 3: I was in college.
Speaker 1: Why octopus, Like I have to understand that I used
Speaker 1: octopus as a like I'll be like, oh, he's like
Speaker 1: an octopus, like too much personal space, and like.
Speaker 3: It was like it was my bougie it was my
Speaker 3: bougie snack. Like I ate it.
Speaker 2: Like I would go out to like Draconi's West Hollywood
Speaker 2: and get like girl octopus and like.
Speaker 1: They have the best girl octopus there. I don't even
Speaker 1: like girld octopus.
Speaker 2: And there's then you need to get it from Angelini
Speaker 2: palists as well, because that one took over for me
Speaker 2: at least in.
Speaker 1: My mind, they have had a bite of that one.
Speaker 1: I know that's yeah, I won't order it, but I'll
Speaker 1: have a bite of someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe we'll go and we'll order it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would do that. I would absolutely share a
Speaker 1: girl octopus with you.
Speaker 3: Yes, please, I would be honored.
Speaker 2: But I I graduated, I was working full time at
Speaker 2: the record label. I was an assistant to this guy
Speaker 2: named Zach and he just like always like like when
Speaker 2: you have someone around you that like lets you be
Speaker 2: your full self, like you kind of unlock your full potential.
Speaker 3: So like he would never judge.
Speaker 2: Me, Like every joke I made, like even if I
Speaker 2: wasn't being intentionally funny, he thought was funny and like
Speaker 2: egged me on and encouraged it. It was just a
Speaker 2: really happy, happy time. I was probably like the happiest
Speaker 2: time of my life. Like I was like making tiktoks
Speaker 2: on the side, but I was like doing my job
Speaker 2: during the day. Like it like didn't it felt It
Speaker 2: was just like it felt like very like okay, as
Speaker 2: long as my job is good, like we're good, I
Speaker 2: can make these tiktoks. But like nothing, I didn't think
Speaker 2: anything of it, and he always made this joke kind
Speaker 2: of like if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And
Speaker 2: then something did happen, like over the course of one week,
Speaker 2: and I like, I don't know. It wasn't even like
Speaker 2: a question like well are you going to do it?
Speaker 2: Like it just was kind of like we were kind
Speaker 2: of like we both knew like okay, like we both
Speaker 2: felt like, all right, well it's happening.
Speaker 3: Like you're gonna you're gonna manage me now.
Speaker 2: And it was kind of like kis met and it
Speaker 2: was like the perfect person to meet at the perfect time,
Speaker 2: and like I couldn't imagine like doing it with like
Speaker 2: any other people around me.
Speaker 1: I love that, see, And you couldn't You couldn't have
Speaker 1: wouldn't have couldn't have ever planned that.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was just like I thought I
Speaker 2: had a plan, Like I was like, this is like,
Speaker 2: oh you like maybe I'll reach one hundred thousand followers
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, right, and then like
Speaker 2: a million in a week. And I was like, and
Speaker 2: Zach always believes in me, Like he's always like you're
Speaker 2: gonna get to a million, like you're He's like always
Speaker 2: like putting these like end goals for me.
Speaker 3: Right, well, that's not.
Speaker 2: Gonna happen, right, But he literally said, like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get to a million by the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Zach, that's not true.
Speaker 3: But he's just like the best.
Speaker 1: That's so it's it's I mean, I think what I
Speaker 1: could try to tell you at twenty four is you
Speaker 1: sometimes just have to let life happen because as an
Speaker 1: anxious person, you're going to overthink it to the point
Speaker 1: of no return. And it's like, I think you're already
Speaker 1: seeing this success and I think it's sort of like
Speaker 1: it's good for you to stay very real about it
Speaker 1: and be like that's not going to happen and keep
Speaker 1: yourself in check. But I think it's great to have
Speaker 1: people around you that are your like cheerleaders, that are
Speaker 1: there for the journey. And you know, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: It's I think that's fantastic. And by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: launching my TikTok soon and oh my god, I might
Speaker 1: need some mentoring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you need any help. TikTok is like my
Speaker 2: I would. I pride myself and being pretty good at it.
Speaker 1: So that's great because I pride myself and really sucking
Speaker 1: at it. I have not launched it.
Speaker 2: It's like a language. Once you learn it, you kind
Speaker 2: of like can get with it. Like it's it's really
Speaker 2: just like a language, like it's like doing like dou
Speaker 2: a lingo every day, like you kind of like have
Speaker 2: to do your TikTok. Like I did not get it
Speaker 2: at all. I remember like like watching like very confusing,
Speaker 2: very confusing. I remember watching like the Charlie Demilio's and
Speaker 2: everyone and being like, uh, huh the fuck are they
Speaker 2: editing these?
Speaker 3: How are they doing it?
Speaker 2: I don't want to just and I remember my best
Speaker 2: friend Brett and I were always like so confused.
Speaker 3: We're like, how do we do this?
Speaker 2: Once you get this, like it used to take us
Speaker 2: four hours out at one TikTok, once you get this
Speaker 2: jects done.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I'm literally gonna need the one
Speaker 1: oh one tutoring of this because you know, people keep going,
Speaker 1: why aren't you on TikTok. I always hear your voice
Speaker 1: on TikTok, your things from your show on TikTok. Like
Speaker 1: it's like a whole new because I can instagram till
Speaker 1: you know, I'm purple, Like it's that's that's my first language.
Speaker 1: But now to your point, I.
Speaker 3: Need to get another one. I do.
Speaker 1: I really do. Okay, so tell me about your pod
Speaker 1: because it has a cult following and I want to
Speaker 1: know how you got the name and like why and
Speaker 1: what the obsession with octopus in this bougie kind of
Speaker 1: life and I just I need I get you because
Speaker 1: I speak you. I get it, like I totally get it.
Speaker 2: Kind of became this thing, like my friends always called
Speaker 2: octopus puss like it was just the thing.
Speaker 3: It was like it just was a thing. And that's
Speaker 3: like what I named the account.
Speaker 1: And then like does your mother love that it's called puss?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she thought it was she thought it was funny,
Speaker 2: and she like she loved it.
Speaker 3: She's like my like she's cheerleader.
Speaker 1: I have two boys.
Speaker 2: I do like yeah, like but she It's just like
Speaker 2: everything kind of became play on puss. And it was
Speaker 2: like I had this Instagram story called tell me What's Wrong,
Speaker 2: and it would just I would give very blunt advice.
Speaker 2: So when I'm thinking about making a podcast, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I want to do that, and then we could
Speaker 2: do like therapy and then I was like, oh, therapus.
Speaker 3: Like it was very.
Speaker 2: Quick, like one two, right quick, and like it just
Speaker 2: kind of hot. I remember the room I was. I
Speaker 2: was in my old office, like I was. I was
Speaker 2: there because my now manager, I was just with him,
Speaker 2: and like I was sitting in like one of the
Speaker 2: rooms with like my old coworkers.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, therapus. And that's kind of
Speaker 3: how it happened.
Speaker 2: And then it just kind of like I didn't really
Speaker 2: know what I was doing at first. I was so scared.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, like what is the point,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I shouldn't be doing this. And
Speaker 2: then the pussies who are the people that follow me,
Speaker 2: we really just like showed up for me. And like
Speaker 2: my friend showed up for me. Everyone who I needed
Speaker 2: to show up for me really showed up for me.
Speaker 2: And so in return, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: show up tenfold and like I'm going to make this
Speaker 2: my entire personality. And that's kind of like how it
Speaker 2: kind of came to be.
Speaker 1: And you wake up excited every single day to do
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't been filming lately. I just filmed the
Speaker 2: season finale. We're ending the season next week, forty two
Speaker 2: episodes and or we call them sessions because it's therapy.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going.
Speaker 2: To take it on tour in October and yeah.
Speaker 1: That's so much fun. Okay, what scares you? Like, what
Speaker 1: is your biggest challenge in this new life of yours?
Speaker 1: Because now it's been probably what like two years a year,
Speaker 1: you've really been at a year and a half, I
Speaker 1: mean really new. So you must have a lot of.
Speaker 3: You know, looking like an idiot.
Speaker 2: That's always been like my number one fear, like look
Speaker 2: just embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a fear of yours.
Speaker 2: Weirdly, it is, it's like I don't want to show
Speaker 2: like I don't want to show up, and like number one,
Speaker 2: have no one cares?
Speaker 3: I think, like no one care?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you like look at him, like so
Speaker 2: what he's doing is so embarrassing, He's so embarrassing. I
Speaker 2: think it's just like I'm just so scared of being
Speaker 2: embarrassed at all times, and like, I think that's why
Speaker 2: I try to embarrass myself.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like a crux of comedy.
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's I'm going to embarrass myself before
Speaker 2: you can embarrass me.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to break up with you before you
Speaker 1: break up with.
Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of my humor is very
Speaker 2: self deprecating because I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Like if you think you're gonna do this, like I'm
Speaker 2: going to do it, but like ten times, so you can't.
Speaker 3: Even say anything.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I actually think we're freakishly similar in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because when I
Speaker 1: was growing in my career, I think when I was
Speaker 1: coming in my career, people would be like, what are
Speaker 1: you so afraid of? And I'm like, because it was
Speaker 1: never my intention to be in the public eye. I
Speaker 1: think I never had an expectation for people to show
Speaker 1: up for me. And I remember when I was younger
Speaker 1: and I used to have birthday parties every year. I
Speaker 1: was always like, nobody's going to come, Like, nobody's going
Speaker 1: to come. And if if you ask my team, they
Speaker 1: would say, what's the thing that people don't know about Rachel?
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, they would tell you that she
Speaker 1: like she thinks no one's coming to anything that she
Speaker 1: ever does still today, so I so understand what you mean,
Speaker 1: you don't. And I remember when I was doing my
Speaker 1: show sort of like why does anyone want to watch this?
Speaker 1: Like why does it? You know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: that's a hard thing. And I think I think for you,
Speaker 1: the greatest thing about TI Talk is just so instant, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's so immediate, Like it's not like filming a
Speaker 1: movie that no one's showing up to watch.
Speaker 2: You know, it's less an ana curse because like kind
Speaker 2: of gifted to this like immediate feed of course. So
Speaker 2: like sometimes when things take time to grow as they do,
Speaker 2: like Zach will have to tell me, like you like
Speaker 2: like I remember, like for the podcast. He was like, so,
Speaker 2: like you, nothing has gonnen until maybe a year or
Speaker 2: two of you doing this, So just plan on you
Speaker 2: doing this for a year or two.
Speaker 3: Then it will start to grow. And I was just
Speaker 3: I was like, so that's not going to cut it
Speaker 3: in my book. Like I'm like, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Like I'm going to full throttle this and like we're
Speaker 2: making I'm going.
Speaker 1: To make it happen, right, But and look what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so I'm so excited. I mean, I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to tour because that's like.
Speaker 3: The number one reason why I did the podcast.
Speaker 2: It's like to have like a live show that I
Speaker 2: can like, so like that that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting because I actually was thinking it was
Speaker 1: like you're such this big personality and you're so obviously entertaining.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have you ever in your life
Speaker 1: thought like I want to be live, like I want
Speaker 1: to do stand up Like I actually.
Speaker 3: I used to take stand up.
Speaker 2: I took stand up classes for a few months when
Speaker 2: I was It's scary.
Speaker 1: That's like my worst fear, Like I can't even carryoke.
Speaker 1: That's like my actual worst nightmare.
Speaker 2: And it is the scariest thing in the world. I
Speaker 2: do it the Gotham you know, the Gotham Comedy Club
Speaker 2: in Chelsea.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. I was seventh grade, so that was fun and.
Speaker 2: I remember being like, oh, I like this, but then
Speaker 2: like high school happened and I'm too embarrassed to do anything.
Speaker 2: Everything's fucking embarrassing school and everything. You like lose yourself
Speaker 2: and just like the worst time, it's the worst. And
Speaker 2: so I'm happy that like I'm I've found this myself
Speaker 2: again and like I'm able to be like, no, this
Speaker 2: is what I want to do, and it really is
Speaker 2: just who you surround yourself with.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it really is. I mean, okay, so I know
Speaker 1: this seems like a logical question coming from me, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious, Like do you like fashion? Like meaning
Speaker 1: like would you ever want to do anything in the
Speaker 1: world of fashion or is that like terrifying to you?
Speaker 1: In zero interest?
Speaker 2: Like that is like the epitome of like cool for me,
Speaker 2: So like yeah, like, of course I would love to
Speaker 2: do anything in fashion, Like are you kidding? Like my
Speaker 2: mom like took me to a fashion show once when
Speaker 2: I was like eight years old. I were like one
Speaker 2: do you remember it was?
Speaker 3: When's the Funny's lamb collection?
Speaker 1: Yes? I was probably there.
Speaker 2: I have I show you a photo of me. I
Speaker 2: was very little. I was like I was in a hoodie.
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous. But I love fashion. I used to
Speaker 2: take like my mom loves fashion and I don't. I'm
Speaker 2: not a very fashionable person, but I I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's so cool. Like I went to like
Speaker 2: one fashion show last year. I went to the Tommy
Speaker 2: Hill figure show and it was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, experience in my life.
Speaker 1: He's the best, Who's the sweetest human ever.
Speaker 3: It's yeah awesome, And like.
Speaker 1: My greatest mentor in my life, in my in my career.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He gave me my first big break. When I was
Speaker 1: twenty four five.
Speaker 3: Are you s here? What were you doing?
Speaker 1: He gave me the biggest job of my life. I
Speaker 1: had just gone free lance, I'd been working for a magazine.
Speaker 1: I was your age, and he called me into his
Speaker 1: office because I knew his brother Andy, and I had
Speaker 1: been pulling Denham from his brother. He was doing like
Speaker 1: a j Lo Denham collection his brother Andy and Tommy
Speaker 1: called me into his office and I was so nervous.
Speaker 1: I'd had no idea what was happening. And he basically
Speaker 1: gave me a two week massive ad campaign for his
Speaker 1: main collection, for the Younger collection. The first week was
Speaker 1: shot in Austin with like ten major celebrities, and the
Speaker 1: second week was out here in LA at the Griffith
Speaker 1: Observatory with like literally thirty male and female supermodels of
Speaker 1: the time. And I led the entire thing. And I
Speaker 1: looked at him like, why are you giving me this job?
Speaker 1: Like I can't. I'm I don't know that I can
Speaker 1: do this, and he was like, yes, you can. I
Speaker 1: know you can't. And I didn't even know him.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was the most terrifying experience of my life. But
Speaker 1: I did it and I had like four hundred panic
Speaker 1: attacks on the job, right, like what I did and
Speaker 1: it got very ready.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, but I yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Would you go back to fashion Week? Like I feel
Speaker 1: like you have to hit fashion Week?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course if I'm invited, of course I always.
Speaker 2: But I'm like so not inherently a fashionable person, but
Speaker 2: like that's why, that's why I want.
Speaker 3: I just I feel so hollywood to me, it feels
Speaker 3: so cool.
Speaker 2: It feels so like I don't know, I remember, like
Speaker 2: I used to remember like love like thinking it was
Speaker 2: the coolest thing in the world when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean yeah, of course, Like I would
Speaker 2: die to go back to fashion Week, Like it's something.
Speaker 1: Tells me you are going to have a lot of
Speaker 1: invites to fashion week and you're going to take your
Speaker 1: mom as your day.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my mom would die. She would die,
Speaker 3: you would die.
Speaker 2: She would just be like on her phone taking photos
Speaker 2: the whole time, like thinking it was the coolest thing
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: That's my forecast for you. I feel like fashion weeks
Speaker 1: and mom as your date. I just I see it.
Speaker 1: You were actually you were born in two thousand, nineteen nine,
Speaker 1: ninety nine nine, Okay, so like two thousand, probably like
Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand and probably five before I
Speaker 1: moved out to LA it was twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: Backstreet Brittany in Sync, Jessica Enrique literally like music videos,
Speaker 1: album covers, touring.
Speaker 3: As crazy as the time seemed.
Speaker 1: It was more than it seemed. It was the craziest.
Speaker 1: I would have like one hundred rocks of clothes, like
Speaker 1: for the guy, I mean Prada adult in this one,
Speaker 1: and I needed like I would have fifty racks because
Speaker 1: each guy needed like five changes and they needed like
Speaker 1: it was the craziest. I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep
Speaker 1: for eleven years.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it was fun and it was boot Camp
Speaker 1: and it was the best, and it was the music
Speaker 1: industry was, you know, at the height of pop culture.
Speaker 1: Just being that I was shooting covers of Rolling Stone,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was really really really fun.
Speaker 1: It was really crazy and really fun and just you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think about it now and people ask
Speaker 1: me about it, and I remember it like in real time, Like, right,
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I was in Monaco with Britney Spears when she ripped
Speaker 1: her skirt because it was too long and just tore
Speaker 1: it and then ripped her t shirt because she wanted
Speaker 1: it cropped.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing you would do stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I would put her in catoure and then she would
Speaker 1: literally like go into the dressing room, come out and
Speaker 1: like it was cropped, and I was like, that's sure.
Speaker 1: I just I think, yeah, I did. I died, like
Speaker 1: I literally died. I've died one hundred and twenty deaths
Speaker 1: in yeahh right for sure. Okay, So tell me hopes
Speaker 1: and dreams beyond today, Like what in your mind is
Speaker 1: like the next or do you just try to live present?
Speaker 1: But knowing you for the last hour, I'm thinking you
Speaker 1: don't live in the present and you're constant thinking about
Speaker 1: the next thing. I mean, I never lived in the present,
Speaker 1: so I'm working on that still.
Speaker 2: Ever, it's just who I am. I try, but it's
Speaker 2: like I really want to get into acting. That's like
Speaker 2: a dream of mine. And I want to kind of
Speaker 2: turn therapist into like late night for gen Z.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's no late night for gen Z.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know people like my parents that watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like I I think late night is
Speaker 2: such a cool concept. It's so American, and it's so
Speaker 2: it's been around forever, Like I would hate to see
Speaker 2: it go away, so like I would love I would
Speaker 2: love to like kind of like turn Therapist into a
Speaker 2: late night for like the new James Corden kind of
Speaker 2: like but yeah, yeah, not the.
Speaker 1: Days old, but you know what I mean. Yes, But
Speaker 1: I have a question, So does then not live on
Speaker 1: television or does in your mind? Would that live on
Speaker 1: television or in some kind.
Speaker 2: Of other I think I would it would live on
Speaker 2: streamers in a live sense, so it would be live
Speaker 2: like Underson Time a week and then you could watch
Speaker 2: it after as well.
Speaker 1: Genius, I love it, I'd watch it.
Speaker 3: That's my idea.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's manifest that.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm trying. I'm really trying to manifest.
Speaker 2: Like my ideal dream would be like Netflix Live three
Speaker 2: times a week, late night musical guest talent fits, Jake
Speaker 2: Shane Late Night Live.
Speaker 1: I see this for you. I see this for you,
Speaker 1: not only do I see it for you, but I
Speaker 1: actually see you like as the next like Dave Letterman,
Speaker 1: You're going to be doing it until you're eighty.
Speaker 3: Oh like I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, like I never want to swop
Speaker 2: entertaining like I always just like I'll always want to.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like work. Ever.
Speaker 4: We like to do this with all of our death.
Speaker 4: Rachel's going to give you a little rapid round of
Speaker 4: question and then I'm gonna let you go. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't great, It doesn't. You don't have to answer in
Speaker 4: like one word or anything. You can elaborate if you
Speaker 4: need to, you can do it. It's just to know
Speaker 4: you a little bit.
Speaker 1: I obviously already know the first answer Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3: You know it depends on the day.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Day one star signed. You would never
Speaker 1: date a Leo fair a scorpio and a Leo would
Speaker 1: like implode. Yeah, okay. The food item you can't live without, which.
Speaker 3: I think I know it's octopus, but it's also white rice.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, Okay, that's fair. I don't think my son
Speaker 1: could live without veryways, Netflix and chill or Dance on Tables,
Speaker 1: Dance on Tables any of that. I test in my mind.
Speaker 1: I answer the question and ask myself, if you were arrested,
Speaker 1: what would it be.
Speaker 2: For God, Like, if it was two years ago, would
Speaker 2: probably be like doing something drunk and stupid in college,
Speaker 2: but probably like like drunken disorderly, Like I don't like,
Speaker 2: That's what I would imagine.
Speaker 1: Okay, favorite beauty product I.
Speaker 3: Use like Linne's lip mask I really like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like like my road Face wash yeah good, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: And I like my drunk Elephant Bronzer.
Speaker 1: So good, so good. I love that one. Okay, who
Speaker 1: is your.
Speaker 3: Hero Taylor Swift?
Speaker 1: I have even watching here everyone's fucking hero. Okay, favorite TikToker,
Speaker 1: Favorite TikToker.
Speaker 2: It's a good question, trying to think of who I
Speaker 2: who I religiously watch.
Speaker 3: My favorite TikToker is probably my best friends. I like
Speaker 3: watching what they have to pose, like Brau all that.
Speaker 1: Because you're invested in it too. Okay, New York or
Speaker 1: La La favorite TV show.
Speaker 3: Of all time?
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Girls on HBO.
Speaker 1: Okay nineteen eighty nine. Or Torture Poets.
Speaker 3: Department nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're the cutest. I endure you, Jake.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy we met.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy. This was so fun, so much fun.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be your best friend, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait take hang out. And I'm terrified to lodge TikTok.
Speaker 1: So you're going to have to help make it.
Speaker 3: Don't be, don't be, I will help you.
Speaker 1: That is a whole new world, and you know us
Speaker 1: people with anxiety. That is hard, very that is hard.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sending you the most love to have a
Speaker 1: beautiful week. I hope I see you soon.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will see you soon. Thank you for having
Speaker 3: me so hi.
Speaker 1: To your mom, I will, I will, I will. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much to Jake for being on the pod.
Speaker 1: You are such a star at such a young age,
Speaker 1: and I honestly love the most your humor and transparency.
Speaker 1: I just laughed this entire episode. We had so much fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, he taught me a lot. I feel
Speaker 1: like I am ready to embrace the very scary world
Speaker 1: of TikTok and I'm hoping that Jake will be my
Speaker 1: new friend and hold my hand through it, because it
Speaker 1: will be a whole new world for me. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much to everyone for listening to Climbing and Heels.
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