WEBVTT - The First Days of the Spanish Civil War, Part 2 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.880 Ah, welcome back to it Could Happen Here? This is 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.800 part two of it Could Happen Here, the podcast that Fox. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.720 All right, that's my job done today. Okay, Part two 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:21.959 of James the Spanish Civil War and the the Antifa Olympics. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.000 That's right, yep, uh Civil War week. Closing out with 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.880 this one. Why does the Olympics? Why did the Antifi 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.760 Olympics hate freedom? Though? Is my question. The Antifa Olympics 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.280 are going around and destroying all of the balls. Yeah, 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.440 they are taking your children and bustloads of black clad 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:46.360 athletes are showing up in your city, stimp place. This 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.440 does make me think back briefly to win. A couple 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.800 of different anti fascist groups in Seattle and Portland played 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.560 soccer and it became a whole thing because yeah, they 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.000 were Oh I used to play anarchist soccer in New 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.400 York City and oh that got that got canceled hard. Well, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.440 it's it's importantly they got canceled art it also because 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.880 it was in New York City, there was a bunch 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.920 of like semi famous actors who would come and play 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.880 anarchist soccer but then couldn't be like visually associated, so 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.640 like people would all mask up in solidarity. Whatever camera 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.720 people would come by because like some famous actor was 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.040 playing anarchist soccer in the park. That's very funny. Yeah, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:30.160 that's that's danding. More of that needed. And yeah, these anarchists, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.200 of course would just busy doing the traditional anti fast 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.679 Just think of starting forest fires in Oregon before okay, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.399 before the Civil war. So anyway, picking up from the 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.120 last episode where we left our heroes, Yeah, we're talking 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.680 about the heroes, right. So with the minitary merging towards 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.080 the city and every balcony in the working classroom bolt 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.120 quickly becoming a sniper's nest. Every rifle was needed at 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.000 the barricades with Spanish and cattle and tops took an impressed, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.440 idented break from being bastards and instead significant elements of 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.520 the most squadro one of the Seville and the elite 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.480 paramilitary assault guides grabbed their hand carbines, rifles with names 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.440 like Tiger and Destroyer, and he took none of them 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.000 are called Roberts, saddi um and took to the barricades 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.920 and what missed opportunity. This is why the Spanish lost 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.000 Get me my robber. I can see it now, I'm 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.960 prepared to help you with the advertising. It no, just 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.040 just gonna bother them right up. That's why they called 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.240 them bobbies. Yeah, famously. I think we need to make 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.640 I think it needs to be some sort of like 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:37.600 nine barreled electronic volley gun. I want to Yeah, sometimes 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.680 we could take out to something that could take out 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.440 at least two Japanese prime ministers at once. You only 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.919 need two barrels for one prime minister, so you could 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:51.160 get up to four. Yeah, yeah, space some time. Yeah, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.920 all right, today, go back and get Joan shiro Koaizumi, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:02.120 finally bring him to justice with a nine barrel gun. Mhm. Okay, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.840 So these people, so the cops and the anarchists are 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.560 fighting alongside each other. Is that what you're just correct? Yep. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.079 The anarchists are pulling up paving stones, building barricades, which 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.880 they had learned in previous conflict with the state could 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:18.760 stop light artillery, and they are welcoming the cops. It's 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.480 worth pointing out that the here is a Day are 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.520 not cops, and the here is a Day are very 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.280 rarely cops. Instead, it's the ordinary people of Catalonia, right, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.480 everyone from liberals to left libertarians runs to the barricades, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:36.240 but the anarchist affinity groups, the anarchist defense committees are 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.760 the mortar that holds together the resistance right. They are experienced, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.680 they have plans, They provide imputers and inspiration to the 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.640 working class. They are ready when their liberal government is not. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.360 Um they're a pretty good handle and fighting in the 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.560 streets of Barcelona too. This is their home turf Right 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.200 And incidentally, we see this ship a lot. Like people 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.600 who are good at fighting the cops become integral and 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.800 fighting the state happened in the my Dad happened in 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.280 Too Rear Square, both with ultras right liquor football fans. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.960 People who go to football games through also like fighting 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.080 cops UM. So like, it's not unprecedented that the folks 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.480 who are good at fighting the cops become integral at 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:19.279 fighting the state when state turns bad turns bad in 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.520 many cases. They also have more experience when it plating 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.240 their weapons than the poorly trained conscripts, because it would 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.279 be pretty hard to have less. There's a little bit 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.360 of a debate, a discussion about causality here. Does the 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.599 coup fail where it does because the cops remain loyal 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.800 or does the beach head established by the working class 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.360 at Lava cops who were sympathetic but not convinced to 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.680 safely remain loyal. Right, So across Spain, it's like not 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.560 quite the same as the US to the cops are 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.920 better trained and better armed than the military, but they 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.800 often hung back until the working class to take a 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.320 decisive action. Right um, the was where the winds blowing, Yeah, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.320 exactly like they sometimes like occasionally they will do some 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.000 sort of kingship like in the one city they a 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.919 couple of the assault guards are their officers side with 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.680 a coup, so they get shot by their own men. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.320 Love to see. In other places they signed to do nothing. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.440 In some places the soldiers come for them where I 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.360 like it, it's on now. But in other places they 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.719 join with the working classes. They do. In Barcelona, the 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.480 civil guard is older. The civil guard tends to be 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.279 in more rural places where the coup tends to be 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.920 more successful, and civil guide tends to be less lowered 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.960 to the republic. The civil Guide in Barcelona waits until noon. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.400 The coup is really defeated by noon. By noon, the 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.080 soldiers all hold up in the food buildings, and it's 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.360 very clear that they haven't won. And then they come 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.920 in on a horseback clip clopping down the street doing 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.599 the raised fist salute, like just milking it to announce 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.400 their sort of loyalty to republic. They did have better 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.040 guns and better marksman, so they were helpful in assaulting 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.280 their buildings. That came next. Alright, alright, every one, we're here. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:06.440 We saved the day. Yeah, here we go, thin blue line. 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:13.039 So what happens all across Barcelona is the tremendously poorly 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.880 organized army meet well organized when in trench resistance, and 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.560 they're killed a turn back. So I want to give 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.440 one example of this from Avonida Carrier. It's related by 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.680 Beaver in his book. Now, what they've done in the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.599 carrier was taken out huge rolls of newsprint, like the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.960 stuff that you put newspaper on, and rolled them into 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.960 the streets to make a barricade. Right. Um, so yeah, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.440 a degree to which people were like ready in amusing 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.960 ways is it's a great part of this, you know, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.919 that was what they had available to them. Seems to 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.279 be stopping bullets. So is the way to stop bullets? 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:57.840 It is? Yeah, lots of layers of newsprint um different places. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.000 So yes, it was yeah, yeah, it certainly seemed to 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.360 work here. And they had their big old guns like 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.720 Spanish mouths. Telefighting stops for a second, and a small 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.559 group of workers and an assault guard closed the distance 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.400 between themselves and to seventy five millimeter field guns. But 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.160 they're holding their rifles above their heads. They said that 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.960 they wanted to talk and not to fight for a 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.280 few minutes, to give a passionate speech informing the soldiers 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.000 they've been lied to that the anarchists were not in revolt, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.200 that they were in fact part of a coup, and 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.120 that they should not fire on their predatorian brothers. It's 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.360 not exactly clear what they said, but whatever they said, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.840 it worked, and very slowly the seed of class consciousness 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.320 was planted and it bloomed in about the time it 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.600 takes to turn a seventy five millimeter gun a hundred 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:46.040 and eighty degrees loaded and fired at your offices. Which, again, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:51.600 it's just so good like that that these powerful anecdotes 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.640 of like someone just being like, ha, yeah, now that 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.200 you phrase it like that, we're on the same team. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:02.360 Let me turn this around. Yeah. I also just love 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.440 to think of the guy who has just been like 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:10.840 previously like for God and country gets vaporized by seventy 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:18.000 five millimet Again, it's truly magnificent death. So the popular 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.760 Olympians are still in town, right. Uh, they turned up 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.640 to show off as anti fascist, but they didn't really 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.840 expect to be showing off their anti fascist BUTTA fighters 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.080 quite like this, But lots of them were winning participants. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.640 The Americans were down by the bucket your market, you've 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.280 probably been there, you've been to Barcelona. He probably bought 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.640 an edible arrangement um what tourists like to do um. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.360 And they watched the streets around them turn into battlegrounds. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.800 You can see the bullet holes in the hotel where 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.840 they stayed in, some of the cafes around there, and 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.280 that some of these bullet holes that should be mentioned 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.559 from a sadah and altogether different battle. A year later 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.360 and they're there. They popped down of their hotel rooms 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.080 to take a look at what was going on, got 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.000 shot at, and then went back inside and then out 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.040 of different balconies. But they had this sig of popping 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.199 out of different balconies, like I don't understand what the 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.920 fund is going on in their heads, whether like people 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.960 keep shooting at us, let's continue to try different balconies. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.880 I can see doing that, just being serious, right, like 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.439 yeah yeah yeah, they and they'd all made friends with 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.360 Spanish people, right, they were just they were not the 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.120 athletes of today that they were out late drinking every night, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.080 and they were really bummed, very quickly, very upset that 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.880 we need to get stuck in, like you know, we're young, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.319 healthy people and their diaries. They also right about seeing 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.520 the Spanish women at the barricade and just being like, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:47.680 oh fuck, yes, this is outstanding. Yeah yeah, they're They're 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.200 just like because they're very committed, right, like these these 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.959 anti fatties are very committed to gender equality, like they 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.880 really are. And it's it's demonsitable in all the communications 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.640 about the popular Olympics, when they send stuff to unions 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.760 and unions like here's a team, it's tend dude say like, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.240 well that's fucking disappointing, Like where are the women? What 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 are we doing here? Hey? How are we making the 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.800 world better with just a bunch of dudes exercising together? Like? Um, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.680 so that it really is. I think it's very genuine 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.520 commitment for them, and they're yeah, they're they're so pumped. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.120 So when the fighting lolls, these guys come running out, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.560 and they saw those cavalry horses, Right, the cavalry horses 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.120 that they'd expected to parade down the Rambler in the 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.520 victorious coup had now been stacked on top of each 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:36.120 other as barricades, and so the horses. Yes, they used 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:41.000 the horses as cover. You can find pictures of this. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.360 it kind of The horses didn't want to be fascists. Yeah, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.600 but I think you can take some solace in knowing 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.480 that the people who are riding them also got killed. Yeah, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.760 you say the horses didn't want to be fascist. This 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.840 is in the intersection of ship you enjoy robot actually yeah, yeah, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.600 shipping on horses and hating fash ye, which are the 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.840 same horses, would be very good at shipping on fascists 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:13.599 from a great light. Yeah, yeah, I know, r I P. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.360 Horses did nothing wrong. Paul went out for the horses. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.000 So Charlie Burley runs down into the street, right, He's 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.400 pretty accustomed to fighting. He's a boxer. He's a mixed 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.719 race kid who grew up in Pittsburgh, He's refused to 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.160 go to the Olympics because he doesn't want any of 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:37.160 Hitler's bullshit and he doesn't speak Spanish, so all he needs, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.200 oh he knows how to do. It's pick up a crowbar, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:45.040 start leavering up, paving stones and helping to build a barricade. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:52.040 That's universal language. Yeah, breaking ship, and so he just 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.600 gets stuck in and now I'm rhythm do right. These 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.280 barricades he built, like I said, they were so strong 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.760 that they would stop like artillery across the city with 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.439 and snaps of bullets cracked across the wide boulevards that 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.120 cut through the regimented grid of the Exemplar snipers were 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.480 stationed in the bell towers of churches. They picked off 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.200 the newly formed People's militiaies a dash between the barricades 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.600 carrying ammunition of food. A French athlete, the right wing snipers. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.199 That's correct. Yeah, yeah, so that you will definitely read it. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.000 They were priests, but they're not. I don't think, just 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.000 a weird you know, if you're gonna put a sniper, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.120 then you want to put something up there who knows 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.960 how toes a rifle. But yeah, that makes yes, yes, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.120 So they probably weren't pretty that. That That doesn't mean the priests, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.839 we're not betting them surely were. It's some points um, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.800 But yeah, this is why the churches get burned. It's 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.600 one of the reasons. A group of German exiles suspected 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.440 their companies diplomats might be involved, so they raided their 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:53.480 homes and found massive statues of weapons, which is great. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.400 The Republic had very liberal asylum policies, so you have 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.080 a town of German Italian anti fascists already in town 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.560 elsewhere people found each other in the streets were joined 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.679 up with pre existing affinity groups to form Centuria. Centuria 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.520 is a Latin word for units for a hundred soldiers. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.400 They're broadly based on a language, and they're named after 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:19.120 some famous leftist like Tom Mann, Karl Marx Ornst Salomon Rent, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.319 their founder of Antifa with a capital H. Later these 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.160 would become the nucleus of the International Brigades. But the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.640 International Brigades were the army of the commintern and the 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:38.120 Centuria weren't basically like under Soviet control. Yes, that's right there, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.520 Soviet controlled communist internationals, so they would not trynal Lee 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.560 stylist more or less right, and certainly like you can 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.480 read our ship hand about the International Brigades going from 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:52.880 a broad popular front leftist alliance to straight up stylists 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.720 and what that does to their their desire to fight 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.679 and their ability to fight. And I would suggest that 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.520 it's not great. That's story as all this time. Yes 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.120 it is. Yeah, draw your own conclusions. Cecil lb is 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.680 very good on that, if you want to read his book. So, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.280 these Centuria don't have officers, and they certainly don't have 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:17.480 commissars right and off their roll too fight the Nazis. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.440 By eleven am, General Goddard has landed from New Yorker. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.760 He was hoping to command the city which he The 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.880 Nationalists thought that the Bathburner would be the easiest city 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.480 for them, right, they thought it was a soft target, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:32.840 and they were wrong. I don't know what again, Yeah, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.080 not smart. It was only through the intervention of Kalida, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.400 her son incidentally killed Trotsky, that his life was spared. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.560 He hold up in the headquarters. Headquarters was over run. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.760 They wanted to execute him immediately. She intervened. She says, no, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.920 you know, we've gotta we gotta do this pretended justice. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.120 So we put him on the prison ship of Uruguay 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.840 and then he's killed a little later after a court martial. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.120 He's executed a few weeks later in the mounch Wee Castle. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.320 That in the mounche Wee Castle, the troops had shot 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.280 their officers and the n c o s had leaded 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.920 a raid on the armory where they began distributing guns 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.640 to anarchists. Again, Yeah, very cool. Yeah, I love to 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:17.400 see it. The Cattla left and the Catholic Church had 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.280 some historical disagreements. Right, the Church had a long history 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.920 of violence towards the left, and the left had equally 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:29.720 long history of violence towards the church. The church had 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:34.040 been part of brutal oppression of the working class, right 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:39.200 victimization of people, especially of working class women, and as 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.840 troops withdrew from the city in July, anarchists began to 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.400 take revenge against the churches. Nune's corpses were disinterred, priests 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.280 accused of collaboration were executed. By the afternoon, the sky 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.400 began to fill with smoke. Churches burned all over the city. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.200 Sometimes they had these things called checkers, which were like 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.040 revenutionary tribunals. Where they put the priests or the murches themselves. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.280 Later outside Madrid, there's a famous photo of them like 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.160 executing a giant statue of Jesus try st after putting 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:12.080 it on trial. That's Watch in the Future for Robert 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.040 Evans is that is a pretty funny bit. It's good. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.800 There's a firing squad and everything. That is like a 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.320 pretty good dedication to the bit. You've got it. Whether 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.360 or not you agree with it, you have to respect it. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.000 it's a good T shirt. Maybe we could return to 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.000 merch and have that that image. But yeah, some Catholics 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.520 rebuilt it. Daddy, it's it's no longer riddled with bullet 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.240 holes in its face. Well, it's time to do well, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:46.320 yeah you know what that means. Yes, it's time to 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:53.600 kill God and storm heaven. Yeah, and redistribute all them 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.800 stuff harps for everyone. Yeah. People wore robes. Actually, this 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.280 became a bit of an issue because people will be like, lo, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:02.880 look at me, I'm wearing a robe. I pretend to 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.479 be a priest, and then other people will be like, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:13.280 fuck you priest and shoot them. Yeah, I don't do that. Actually, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.520 robes for everyone. Bad idea at a time of anti 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.119 clerical violence. What you can do is drink all the 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.840 communion wine, which is what they did. It's sorry, all 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.160 the blood of Christ is what they do. Yes, yes, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.000 I'm sorry. Actually, I guess it only becomes that in 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.480 the stomach. Yeah. No, I'm a bad Catholic. I don't 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.560 remember any of this. Or it's just wine until they 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.560 until they do the thing and say the words, and 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.359 then there's something special happens. That's that's that's the the Eucharist. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.960 So was the pre blood. Yeah, it's it's pretty blad. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:56.119 It's just sweet wine. By the twenties of July, the 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.399 military was all but done for in a city, right, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.800 but some of them had retreated back to their barracks 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.359 immediately they came out promptly, got shot up by a 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.840 ship ton of people and went nope, and Paul the 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.640 one returned to the barracks. So smarter than the tourists 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.600 at the hotel. Yes, although I don't know about that, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.720 because these guys end up dying there and the tourists 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:26.480 do not the side one. But yes, yeah, idea true. Well, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.879 I would be lying if I said the tourists do not, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.119 because one of those tourists does a guy called Albert 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.520 I'll chacken. They called him chick. He was a coach 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:42.600 of the team, community college professor actually, and he leaves, 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.120 goes back to America and just can't deal with like missing. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.600 It's not so much at the guilt of not being there, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.400 it's and I think some of us maybe can relate 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:52.919 to this in a way, right, like the missing of 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.199 being there too, like that, Yeah, and how special it 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.280 feels roberts off. Robert can can relate to this, right, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.280 Like sometimes it's some time you feel the most alive 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.760 is when you're trying not to be dead. But also 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.439 like this was a fucking awesome time, right, Like the 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.440 cops have joined the working class, the churches are on fire, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.600 the bosses are running for the hills, and the army 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.440 has just had its ass handed to it by like 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.800 a bunch of men and women in blue overrules. Like 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.240 I can imagine it felt pretty cool. Um. So he 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.679 goes home and then he decided to come back. He 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.440 comes back with his wife. His wife wins the first 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:35.520 art therapy program for children traumatized by conflict. Yeah, the 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.880 the the pictures are ECSD. I used to go sit 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.880 with them all the time just kind of I don't 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.320 feels like a special place, like a nice connection. That's 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.040 the kind of stuff that gets like left out of 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.520 history too much, too right, as these contributions like and 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.200 these like developments that come from political articles that are 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:57.159 like not just the gun, the Robert you know or 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.240 the you know, season of workplace US, but the developing 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.800 of art therapy for people dealing with traumatic event that rules. Yeah, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.159 absolutely right, Like these people made homeward bombs, but they 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.720 also made it easier for kids to process their trauma. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:19.040 Like that's what anarchism is, folks. Um. But yeah, Jenny Burman, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:25.600 they hyphenated their last names Berman Chaking uh yeah, advanced, Yeah, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:31.120 highly progressive. Yeah, his wife Jenny was definitely the radical 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.280 and she she sort of brought him on and he 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.720 was like, yeah, fucking you got it. Um. So yeah, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.840 he goes back. You can see the pictures at UCSD, 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.639 they're online too. But Al dies in a sort of 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.320 chaotic retreat to the International Brigades. No one knows where. Right. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.600 I'm trying to write a book about him, have some 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.080 of his diaries. Just an inspirational guy in a lot 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.080 of ways, very nice guy. He's also like he sort 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.800 of draws a lot of disdain from the other passengers 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.160 on the boat when they crossed seeing the first time, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.280 because the passages keep getting mad that the black folks 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:05.760 and the white folks are eating at the same table 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.320 at dinner from the popular Olympics team, and he's just 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.359 like super mad at this and like why would you 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.720 be that way? So it just keeps like getting and 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.800 he is a wrestler, right, He's a collegiate wrestler. He 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.000 at Olympic trials, just keeps getting in people's faces about it. 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:26.399 I guess, which like, yeah, is I guess being an 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.639 ally or something, but just yes, Jenny Berman is in 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.399 there's a film called The Good Fight, which is about 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.959 the American volunteers, and you can see her talking about him. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.040 Cool and yeah, I think it's it's obviously pretty difficult 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.919 experience for her talking about him, but I'm sure the 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.399 whole thing it's pretty rough, given you know, the things 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.160 that happened afterwards. But yeah, again, I'm a wonderful person. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.960 She's passed away now. But yeah, actually it's it's the interview, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.159 it's the full interview with her that I'm waiting for us. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.480 I can write about him, and yes she does. Look 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:03.760 at the good Fight. It's a good film. So on 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.680 the July, the anarchists are assembling outside these barracks. Right, 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.360 they had to support the police, but I didn't want 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:14.600 it anymore, and so they assembled their own troops instead, right, 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:22.080 the Olivia Abati, Santi Lascasso and Adesome Chad shit, and 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.600 they do what the anarchists did at this time, which 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.320 is they lead a frontal charge on the barracks where 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:35.160 there are still machine guns. And so they are brave, 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.960 but perhaps not tactically astute. I've read about this where 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.400 basically one of the problems that people had, like strategically 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.200 about the anarchists is that the anarchists in Spain were 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:51.040 so uh fervent in their beliefs that they basically were like, 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.800 hooray soon I will be a murder and like all 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.080 charged the machine guns and like weren't always the most 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:01.080 strategic is that map to your understanding or in the 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.199 early days of the civil war, they're like because they 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.680 have been raised for decades of propaganda of the deed, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.720 right uh, and like propaganda of the deed is is 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.240 saying like you know, like you can die as a 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.520 hero and become an example to the working class and 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.680 you will elevate the cause. And it's as close to 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.320 martyrdom as you can get in an atheist political belief, 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:25.000 I think. And yes, so they were just like like Ascarsa. 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.159 Ascaso is a famous anarchist leader. Ascaso is a guy 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.560 who dies like literally leading the charge frontly on a 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.639 machine gun at this time, at this barracks. Right, he 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.840 dies in less than twenty four hours after the war started. 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.240 And he's a member of this Nostos group with the 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.560