1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Ah, welcome back to it Could Happen Here? This is 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: part two of it Could Happen Here, the podcast that Fox. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: All right, that's my job done today. Okay, Part two 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: of James the Spanish Civil War and the the Antifa Olympics. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: That's right, yep, uh Civil War week. Closing out with 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: this one. Why does the Olympics? Why did the Antifi 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Olympics hate freedom? Though? Is my question. The Antifa Olympics 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: are going around and destroying all of the balls. Yeah, 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: they are taking your children and bustloads of black clad 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: athletes are showing up in your city, stimp place. This 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: does make me think back briefly to win. A couple 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: of different anti fascist groups in Seattle and Portland played 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: soccer and it became a whole thing because yeah, they 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: were Oh I used to play anarchist soccer in New 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: York City and oh that got that got canceled hard. Well, 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: it's it's importantly they got canceled art it also because 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: it was in New York City, there was a bunch 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: of like semi famous actors who would come and play 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: anarchist soccer but then couldn't be like visually associated, so 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: like people would all mask up in solidarity. Whatever camera 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: people would come by because like some famous actor was 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: playing anarchist soccer in the park. That's very funny. Yeah, 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: that's that's danding. More of that needed. And yeah, these anarchists, 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: of course would just busy doing the traditional anti fast 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Just think of starting forest fires in Oregon before okay, 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: before the Civil war. So anyway, picking up from the 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: last episode where we left our heroes, Yeah, we're talking 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: about the heroes, right. So with the minitary merging towards 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: the city and every balcony in the working classroom bolt 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: quickly becoming a sniper's nest. Every rifle was needed at 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: the barricades with Spanish and cattle and tops took an impressed, 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: idented break from being bastards and instead significant elements of 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: the most squadro one of the Seville and the elite 34 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: paramilitary assault guides grabbed their hand carbines, rifles with names 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: like Tiger and Destroyer, and he took none of them 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: are called Roberts, saddi um and took to the barricades 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: and what missed opportunity. This is why the Spanish lost 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: Get me my robber. I can see it now, I'm 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: prepared to help you with the advertising. It no, just 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: just gonna bother them right up. That's why they called 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: them bobbies. Yeah, famously. I think we need to make 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: I think it needs to be some sort of like 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: nine barreled electronic volley gun. I want to Yeah, sometimes 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: we could take out to something that could take out 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: at least two Japanese prime ministers at once. You only 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: need two barrels for one prime minister, so you could 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: get up to four. Yeah, yeah, space some time. Yeah, 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: all right, today, go back and get Joan shiro Koaizumi, 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: finally bring him to justice with a nine barrel gun. Mhm. Okay, 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: So these people, so the cops and the anarchists are 51 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: fighting alongside each other. Is that what you're just correct? Yep. 52 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: The anarchists are pulling up paving stones, building barricades, which 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: they had learned in previous conflict with the state could 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: stop light artillery, and they are welcoming the cops. It's 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: worth pointing out that the here is a Day are 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: not cops, and the here is a Day are very 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: rarely cops. Instead, it's the ordinary people of Catalonia, right, 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: everyone from liberals to left libertarians runs to the barricades, 59 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: but the anarchist affinity groups, the anarchist defense committees are 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: the mortar that holds together the resistance right. They are experienced, 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: they have plans, They provide imputers and inspiration to the 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: working class. They are ready when their liberal government is not. 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Um they're a pretty good handle and fighting in the 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: streets of Barcelona too. This is their home turf Right 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: And incidentally, we see this ship a lot. Like people 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: who are good at fighting the cops become integral and 67 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: fighting the state happened in the my Dad happened in 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Too Rear Square, both with ultras right liquor football fans. 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: People who go to football games through also like fighting 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: cops UM. So like, it's not unprecedented that the folks 71 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: who are good at fighting the cops become integral at 72 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: fighting the state when state turns bad turns bad in 73 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: many cases. They also have more experience when it plating 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: their weapons than the poorly trained conscripts, because it would 75 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: be pretty hard to have less. There's a little bit 76 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: of a debate, a discussion about causality here. Does the 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: coup fail where it does because the cops remain loyal 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: or does the beach head established by the working class 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: at Lava cops who were sympathetic but not convinced to 80 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: safely remain loyal. Right, So across Spain, it's like not 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: quite the same as the US to the cops are 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: better trained and better armed than the military, but they 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: often hung back until the working class to take a 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: decisive action. Right um, the was where the winds blowing, Yeah, 85 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: exactly like they sometimes like occasionally they will do some 86 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: sort of kingship like in the one city they a 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: couple of the assault guards are their officers side with 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: a coup, so they get shot by their own men. 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Love to see. In other places they signed to do nothing. 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: In some places the soldiers come for them where I 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: like it, it's on now. But in other places they 92 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: join with the working classes. They do. In Barcelona, the 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: civil guard is older. The civil guard tends to be 94 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: in more rural places where the coup tends to be 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: more successful, and civil guide tends to be less lowered 96 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: to the republic. The civil Guide in Barcelona waits until noon. 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: The coup is really defeated by noon. By noon, the 98 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: soldiers all hold up in the food buildings, and it's 99 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: very clear that they haven't won. And then they come 100 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: in on a horseback clip clopping down the street doing 101 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: the raised fist salute, like just milking it to announce 102 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: their sort of loyalty to republic. They did have better 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: guns and better marksman, so they were helpful in assaulting 104 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: their buildings. That came next. Alright, alright, every one, we're here. 105 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: We saved the day. Yeah, here we go, thin blue line. 106 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: So what happens all across Barcelona is the tremendously poorly 107 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: organized army meet well organized when in trench resistance, and 108 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: they're killed a turn back. So I want to give 109 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: one example of this from Avonida Carrier. It's related by 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Beaver in his book. Now, what they've done in the 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: carrier was taken out huge rolls of newsprint, like the 112 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: stuff that you put newspaper on, and rolled them into 113 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: the streets to make a barricade. Right. Um, so yeah, 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: a degree to which people were like ready in amusing 115 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: ways is it's a great part of this, you know, 116 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: that was what they had available to them. Seems to 117 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: be stopping bullets. So is the way to stop bullets? 118 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, lots of layers of newsprint um different places. 119 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: So yes, it was yeah, yeah, it certainly seemed to 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: work here. And they had their big old guns like 121 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: Spanish mouths. Telefighting stops for a second, and a small 122 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: group of workers and an assault guard closed the distance 123 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: between themselves and to seventy five millimeter field guns. But 124 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: they're holding their rifles above their heads. They said that 125 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: they wanted to talk and not to fight for a 126 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: few minutes, to give a passionate speech informing the soldiers 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: they've been lied to that the anarchists were not in revolt, 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: that they were in fact part of a coup, and 129 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: that they should not fire on their predatorian brothers. It's 130 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: not exactly clear what they said, but whatever they said, 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: it worked, and very slowly the seed of class consciousness 132 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: was planted and it bloomed in about the time it 133 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: takes to turn a seventy five millimeter gun a hundred 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and eighty degrees loaded and fired at your offices. Which, again, 135 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: it's just so good like that that these powerful anecdotes 136 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: of like someone just being like, ha, yeah, now that 137 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: you phrase it like that, we're on the same team. 138 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Let me turn this around. Yeah. I also just love 139 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: to think of the guy who has just been like 140 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: previously like for God and country gets vaporized by seventy 141 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: five millimet Again, it's truly magnificent death. So the popular 142 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: Olympians are still in town, right. Uh, they turned up 143 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: to show off as anti fascist, but they didn't really 144 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: expect to be showing off their anti fascist BUTTA fighters 145 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: quite like this, But lots of them were winning participants. 146 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: The Americans were down by the bucket your market, you've 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: probably been there, you've been to Barcelona. He probably bought 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: an edible arrangement um what tourists like to do um. 149 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: And they watched the streets around them turn into battlegrounds. 150 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: You can see the bullet holes in the hotel where 151 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: they stayed in, some of the cafes around there, and 152 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: that some of these bullet holes that should be mentioned 153 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: from a sadah and altogether different battle. A year later 154 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: and they're there. They popped down of their hotel rooms 155 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: to take a look at what was going on, got 156 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: shot at, and then went back inside and then out 157 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: of different balconies. But they had this sig of popping 158 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: out of different balconies, like I don't understand what the 159 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: fund is going on in their heads, whether like people 160 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: keep shooting at us, let's continue to try different balconies. 161 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: I can see doing that, just being serious, right, like 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, they and they'd all made friends with 163 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Spanish people, right, they were just they were not the 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: athletes of today that they were out late drinking every night, 165 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: and they were really bummed, very quickly, very upset that 166 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: we need to get stuck in, like you know, we're young, 167 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: healthy people and their diaries. They also right about seeing 168 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the Spanish women at the barricade and just being like, 169 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: oh fuck, yes, this is outstanding. Yeah yeah, they're They're 170 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: just like because they're very committed, right, like these these 171 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: anti fatties are very committed to gender equality, like they 172 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: really are. And it's it's demonsitable in all the communications 173 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: about the popular Olympics, when they send stuff to unions 174 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: and unions like here's a team, it's tend dude say like, 175 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: well that's fucking disappointing, Like where are the women? What 176 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: are we doing here? Hey? How are we making the 177 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: world better with just a bunch of dudes exercising together? Like? Um, 178 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: so that it really is. I think it's very genuine 179 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: commitment for them, and they're yeah, they're they're so pumped. 180 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: So when the fighting lolls, these guys come running out, 181 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: and they saw those cavalry horses, Right, the cavalry horses 182 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: that they'd expected to parade down the Rambler in the 183 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: victorious coup had now been stacked on top of each 184 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: other as barricades, and so the horses. Yes, they used 185 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: the horses as cover. You can find pictures of this. Yeah, yeah, 186 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: it kind of The horses didn't want to be fascists. Yeah, 187 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: but I think you can take some solace in knowing 188 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: that the people who are riding them also got killed. Yeah, 189 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: you say the horses didn't want to be fascist. This 190 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: is in the intersection of ship you enjoy robot actually yeah, yeah, 191 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: shipping on horses and hating fash ye, which are the 192 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: same horses, would be very good at shipping on fascists 193 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: from a great light. Yeah, yeah, I know, r I P. 194 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Horses did nothing wrong. Paul went out for the horses. 195 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: So Charlie Burley runs down into the street, right, He's 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: pretty accustomed to fighting. He's a boxer. He's a mixed 197 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: race kid who grew up in Pittsburgh, He's refused to 198 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: go to the Olympics because he doesn't want any of 199 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Hitler's bullshit and he doesn't speak Spanish, so all he needs, 200 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: oh he knows how to do. It's pick up a crowbar, 201 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: start leavering up, paving stones and helping to build a barricade. 202 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: That's universal language. Yeah, breaking ship, and so he just 203 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: gets stuck in and now I'm rhythm do right. These 204 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: barricades he built, like I said, they were so strong 205 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: that they would stop like artillery across the city with 206 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: and snaps of bullets cracked across the wide boulevards that 207 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: cut through the regimented grid of the Exemplar snipers were 208 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: stationed in the bell towers of churches. They picked off 209 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: the newly formed People's militiaies a dash between the barricades 210 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: carrying ammunition of food. A French athlete, the right wing snipers. 211 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, yeah, so that you will definitely read it. 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: They were priests, but they're not. I don't think, just 213 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: a weird you know, if you're gonna put a sniper, 214 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: then you want to put something up there who knows 215 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: how toes a rifle. But yeah, that makes yes, yes, 216 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: So they probably weren't pretty that. That That doesn't mean the priests, 217 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: we're not betting them surely were. It's some points um, 218 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is why the churches get burned. It's 219 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: one of the reasons. A group of German exiles suspected 220 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: their companies diplomats might be involved, so they raided their 221 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: homes and found massive statues of weapons, which is great. 222 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: The Republic had very liberal asylum policies, so you have 223 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: a town of German Italian anti fascists already in town 224 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: elsewhere people found each other in the streets were joined 225 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: up with pre existing affinity groups to form Centuria. Centuria 226 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: is a Latin word for units for a hundred soldiers. 227 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: They're broadly based on a language, and they're named after 228 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: some famous leftist like Tom Mann, Karl Marx Ornst Salomon Rent, 229 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: their founder of Antifa with a capital H. Later these 230 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: would become the nucleus of the International Brigades. But the 231 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: International Brigades were the army of the commintern and the 232 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Centuria weren't basically like under Soviet control. Yes, that's right there, 233 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Soviet controlled communist internationals, so they would not trynal Lee 234 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: stylist more or less right, and certainly like you can 235 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: read our ship hand about the International Brigades going from 236 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: a broad popular front leftist alliance to straight up stylists 237 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: and what that does to their their desire to fight 238 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: and their ability to fight. And I would suggest that 239 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: it's not great. That's story as all this time. Yes 240 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, draw your own conclusions. Cecil lb is 241 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: very good on that, if you want to read his book. So, 242 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: these Centuria don't have officers, and they certainly don't have 243 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: commissars right and off their roll too fight the Nazis. 244 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: By eleven am, General Goddard has landed from New Yorker. 245 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: He was hoping to command the city which he The 246 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Nationalists thought that the Bathburner would be the easiest city 247 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: for them, right, they thought it was a soft target, 248 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: and they were wrong. I don't know what again, Yeah, 249 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: not smart. It was only through the intervention of Kalida, 250 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: her son incidentally killed Trotsky, that his life was spared. 251 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: He hold up in the headquarters. Headquarters was over run. 252 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: They wanted to execute him immediately. She intervened. She says, no, 253 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, we've gotta we gotta do this pretended justice. 254 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: So we put him on the prison ship of Uruguay 255 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: and then he's killed a little later after a court martial. 256 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: He's executed a few weeks later in the mounch Wee Castle. 257 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: That in the mounche Wee Castle, the troops had shot 258 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: their officers and the n c o s had leaded 259 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: a raid on the armory where they began distributing guns 260 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: to anarchists. Again, Yeah, very cool. Yeah, I love to 261 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: see it. The Cattla left and the Catholic Church had 262 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: some historical disagreements. Right, the Church had a long history 263 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: of violence towards the left, and the left had equally 264 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: long history of violence towards the church. The church had 265 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: been part of brutal oppression of the working class, right 266 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: victimization of people, especially of working class women, and as 267 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: troops withdrew from the city in July, anarchists began to 268 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: take revenge against the churches. Nune's corpses were disinterred, priests 269 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: accused of collaboration were executed. By the afternoon, the sky 270 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: began to fill with smoke. Churches burned all over the city. 271 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes they had these things called checkers, which were like 272 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: revenutionary tribunals. Where they put the priests or the murches themselves. 273 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: Later outside Madrid, there's a famous photo of them like 274 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: executing a giant statue of Jesus try st after putting 275 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: it on trial. That's Watch in the Future for Robert 276 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Evans is that is a pretty funny bit. It's good. 277 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: There's a firing squad and everything. That is like a 278 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: pretty good dedication to the bit. You've got it. Whether 279 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: or not you agree with it, you have to respect it. Yeah. Yeah, 280 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: it's a good T shirt. Maybe we could return to 281 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: merch and have that that image. But yeah, some Catholics 282 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: rebuilt it. Daddy, it's it's no longer riddled with bullet 283 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: holes in its face. Well, it's time to do well, 284 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: yeah you know what that means. Yes, it's time to 285 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: kill God and storm heaven. Yeah, and redistribute all them 286 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: stuff harps for everyone. Yeah. People wore robes. Actually, this 287 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: became a bit of an issue because people will be like, lo, 288 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: look at me, I'm wearing a robe. I pretend to 289 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: be a priest, and then other people will be like, 290 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: fuck you priest and shoot them. Yeah, I don't do that. Actually, 291 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: robes for everyone. Bad idea at a time of anti 292 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: clerical violence. What you can do is drink all the 293 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: communion wine, which is what they did. It's sorry, all 294 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: the blood of Christ is what they do. Yes, yes, 295 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Actually, I guess it only becomes that in 296 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: the stomach. Yeah. No, I'm a bad Catholic. I don't 297 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: remember any of this. Or it's just wine until they 298 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: until they do the thing and say the words, and 299 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: then there's something special happens. That's that's that's the the Eucharist. 300 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: So was the pre blood. Yeah, it's it's pretty blad. 301 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: It's just sweet wine. By the twenties of July, the 302 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: military was all but done for in a city, right, 303 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: but some of them had retreated back to their barracks 304 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: immediately they came out promptly, got shot up by a 305 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: ship ton of people and went nope, and Paul the 306 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: one returned to the barracks. So smarter than the tourists 307 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: at the hotel. Yes, although I don't know about that, 308 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: because these guys end up dying there and the tourists 309 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: do not the side one. But yes, yeah, idea true. Well, 310 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: I would be lying if I said the tourists do not, 311 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: because one of those tourists does a guy called Albert 312 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: I'll chacken. They called him chick. He was a coach 313 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: of the team, community college professor actually, and he leaves, 314 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: goes back to America and just can't deal with like missing. 315 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: It's not so much at the guilt of not being there, 316 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: it's and I think some of us maybe can relate 317 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: to this in a way, right, like the missing of 318 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: being there too, like that, Yeah, and how special it 319 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: feels roberts off. Robert can can relate to this, right, 320 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's some time you feel the most alive 321 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: is when you're trying not to be dead. But also 322 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: like this was a fucking awesome time, right, Like the 323 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: cops have joined the working class, the churches are on fire, 324 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: the bosses are running for the hills, and the army 325 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: has just had its ass handed to it by like 326 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of men and women in blue overrules. Like 327 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: I can imagine it felt pretty cool. Um. So he 328 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: goes home and then he decided to come back. He 329 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: comes back with his wife. His wife wins the first 330 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: art therapy program for children traumatized by conflict. Yeah, the 331 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: the the pictures are ECSD. I used to go sit 332 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: with them all the time just kind of I don't 333 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: feels like a special place, like a nice connection. That's 334 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that gets like left out of 335 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: history too much, too right, as these contributions like and 336 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: these like developments that come from political articles that are 337 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: like not just the gun, the Robert you know or 338 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the you know, season of workplace US, but the developing 339 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: of art therapy for people dealing with traumatic event that rules. Yeah, 340 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: absolutely right, Like these people made homeward bombs, but they 341 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: also made it easier for kids to process their trauma. 342 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: Like that's what anarchism is, folks. Um. But yeah, Jenny Burman, 343 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: they hyphenated their last names Berman Chaking uh yeah, advanced, Yeah, 344 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: highly progressive. Yeah, his wife Jenny was definitely the radical 345 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: and she she sort of brought him on and he 346 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, fucking you got it. Um. So yeah, 347 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: he goes back. You can see the pictures at UCSD, 348 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: they're online too. But Al dies in a sort of 349 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: chaotic retreat to the International Brigades. No one knows where. Right. 350 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to write a book about him, have some 351 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: of his diaries. Just an inspirational guy in a lot 352 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: of ways, very nice guy. He's also like he sort 353 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: of draws a lot of disdain from the other passengers 354 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: on the boat when they crossed seeing the first time, 355 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: because the passages keep getting mad that the black folks 356 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: and the white folks are eating at the same table 357 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: at dinner from the popular Olympics team, and he's just 358 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: like super mad at this and like why would you 359 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: be that way? So it just keeps like getting and 360 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: he is a wrestler, right, He's a collegiate wrestler. He 361 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: at Olympic trials, just keeps getting in people's faces about it. 362 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: I guess, which like, yeah, is I guess being an 363 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: ally or something, but just yes, Jenny Berman is in 364 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: there's a film called The Good Fight, which is about 365 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: the American volunteers, and you can see her talking about him. 366 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: Cool and yeah, I think it's it's obviously pretty difficult 367 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: experience for her talking about him, but I'm sure the 368 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: whole thing it's pretty rough, given you know, the things 369 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: that happened afterwards. But yeah, again, I'm a wonderful person. 370 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: She's passed away now. But yeah, actually it's it's the interview, 371 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: it's the full interview with her that I'm waiting for us. 372 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: I can write about him, and yes she does. Look 373 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: at the good Fight. It's a good film. So on 374 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: the July, the anarchists are assembling outside these barracks. Right, 375 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: they had to support the police, but I didn't want 376 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: it anymore, and so they assembled their own troops instead, right, 377 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: the Olivia Abati, Santi Lascasso and Adesome Chad shit, and 378 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: they do what the anarchists did at this time, which 379 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: is they lead a frontal charge on the barracks where 380 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: there are still machine guns. And so they are brave, 381 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: but perhaps not tactically astute. I've read about this where 382 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: basically one of the problems that people had, like strategically 383 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: about the anarchists is that the anarchists in Spain were 384 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: so uh fervent in their beliefs that they basically were like, 385 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: hooray soon I will be a murder and like all 386 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: charged the machine guns and like weren't always the most 387 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: strategic is that map to your understanding or in the 388 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: early days of the civil war, they're like because they 389 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: have been raised for decades of propaganda of the deed, 390 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: right uh, and like propaganda of the deed is is 391 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: saying like you know, like you can die as a 392 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: hero and become an example to the working class and 393 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: you will elevate the cause. And it's as close to 394 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: martyrdom as you can get in an atheist political belief, 395 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: I think. And yes, so they were just like like Ascarsa. 396 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: Ascaso is a famous anarchist leader. Ascaso is a guy 397 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: who dies like literally leading the charge frontly on a 398 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: machine gun at this time, at this barracks. Right, he 399 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: dies in less than twenty four hours after the war started. 400 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: And he's a member of this Nostos group with the 401 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: Routine and others and Garthie Oliver, and he's the one 402 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: who gives his name to the pistol. Right. So in Tlassa, 403 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: the CMT, the the anarchists, anarchis Central Gist take over 404 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: an arms factory, taken over, the workers run the factory, 405 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: and they start making these pistols with his name. It's 406 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: like the only gun that is not in some way 407 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: morally compromised. So I guess in that sense he goes 408 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: on to kill a lot of fascists. And but yeah, 409 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: they don't want the help of the police, they don't 410 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: want the tactical advice. The Routie actually later is very 411 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: good at this. He has regular army officers embedded with 412 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: his column and he listens to them, and that allows 413 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: him to be more successful than the other anarchists. But yeah, 414 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: here the battle cries atlante, which is like, you know, forward, 415 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: men of the c NT. They had women to but 416 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: I guess that's not what they were going for. And 417 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: they took the barracks along with thirty thousand rifles. Pretty 418 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: much all of those would be in the hands of 419 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: working people within a couple of days. Yeah, that's a 420 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: vast like this is a decent slice of the Republic's 421 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: weapons until they get resupplied later. And interestingly, like the 422 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and Mexico supply them, but they the 423 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: Republican government in Madrid doesn't want people supplying the anarchists, 424 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: so only um c Z or the check Gun Company 425 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: are willing to elicitly violate two different arms embargoes to 426 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: supply the anarchists later in the worst yeah based c Z, Yeah, 427 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: maybe we can have them be the advert for this episode. Finally, 428 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: a solid case for the hammer fired arm in modern days, 429 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: you have to honor the legacy of c Z. Yeah. Yeah, again, 430 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: the only the only morally correct firearm to buy. Wouldn't 431 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: have done that? Motherfucker's Nope, No, I don't see any 432 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: glocks in an anarchist hands. Uh yeah, by a thirty 433 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: two a c P. Because it also killed Hitler. It's 434 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: the most anti fascist you can you can. Hitler killed Hitler. 435 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: But you know we don't have to go there fascist. Yeah, 436 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: critical support or you could say, yeah, well you know 437 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: who else tried to kill Hitler? Hitler? He did once 438 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: before in nine after the failed Munich punch. But his 439 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: friend puts the han Stengel's wife, who he had a 440 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: crush on, from killing himself, which was a mistake. Yeah, yeah, 441 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: she let the team down. So see that's where Cez 442 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: came in, giving him an efficient way to kill himself 443 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: with no wives around. Did have a wive around, didn't he? See? Well, 444 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: thank you, Sez. Hitler's dead. Uh. And with that, let's 445 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: go back to Spain Catalonia. I guess um. So the 446 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: French Popular Olympics team left that day. They sang the 447 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: International Aisle from the deck of their boat as they 448 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: pulled out the port. A few days later, on the 449 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: Rambler Parade was organized. The various nations of the Popular 450 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Olympics march down the street led inexplicably buy some bagpipers 451 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: who had arrived with the British team. Hell yeah, that's 452 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: another international bag page. Yeah yeah, yeah, why why not? 453 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: I love that? Like yeah, some anti fascist bagpipers had 454 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: been recruited by this point, and they all sign the 455 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: international in their own languages, did the race fist salute 456 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: that would become the popular friend salute. And they heard 457 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: a speech, and in the speech they were told, you've 458 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: come for the Games, but you have remained for the 459 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: greater front in battling, in triumph. Now your task is clear. 460 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: You'll go back to your countries and spread the word, 461 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: the news of what you've seen in Spain. So some 462 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: of them went back, and some of them stayed. All 463 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: in all, about two hundred of them actually uh stayed 464 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: to fight or came back to fight. Um. Some of 465 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: their names Bill Scott. He was an irishman who came 466 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: for the Games. He he went back and forth between 467 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: Spain and Island. Bunch wrote in some wrote some letters 468 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: to newspapers to encourage other people to join. His big 469 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: slogan was a victory for fascism in Spain is a 470 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: victory for fascism in Ireland and the that's the same 471 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: slogan that the other side used to write. Yes, but 472 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: the Irish volunteers who fought for the fascists were fucking 473 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: exceptionally useless. Yeah yeah, and may have excelled more than 474 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: Iris voluteers who fought for the anti fascist a killing fascist, 475 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: which I guess critical support to them. Um. He fights 476 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: in the Battle of Madrid, Bill Scott we gets shot 477 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: in the neck or will style, So they go Robert. 478 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: Maybe they really were sticking their next out mm hm, 479 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: and you've got Otto Bosch. Otto Bosch was a lover 480 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: of novelists and poet Muriel Rook isiser. He was a 481 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: cabinet maker, sprinter and literally an actual card carrying Antifa 482 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: member and now he was a soldier. Um he also died. 483 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: The sad part about this part of the war is 484 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: everyone dies pretty quickly afterwards. Yeah, yeah, it's really sad. 485 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: These people are, you know, as good as people came 486 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: and they all end up dead. But let's not talk 487 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: about I want to focus on the victorious part, so 488 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: that evening right do Rucci got the olive and about 489 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: this Anthion go and meet with compounds Ascaso is dead right, 490 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: because he was on his heroics. They're still in their monos, 491 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: they're still covered in blood, and they're still carrying their 492 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: weapons with bitches away. One should meet with a politician, 493 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: so he gives them this little speech. And I, like 494 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: some people say this's apocryphal, I don't really give a funk. 495 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: I think it's nice. I'm going to read it. It's 496 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: not very long. Um. Firstly, I must say that the 497 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: C and T and the FI have never been treated 498 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: as a true importance merited. You have always been halfly persecuted, 499 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: and I, with much regret, was forced by political necessity 500 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: to oppose you, even though always once with you. Today 501 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: you are the masters of the city and of Catalonia, 502 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: because you alone have conquered the Fastist military. And I 503 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: hope that you will not forget that you did not 504 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: lack the help of the loyal members of my party, 505 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: but you have one and orders in your power. If 506 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: you do not need me as president of Catalonia, tell 507 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: me now, and I will become just another soldier in 508 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: the fight against fascism. If, on the other hand, and 509 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: you believe that I, my party, my name, my prestige, 510 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: could be of use. Then you can depend on me 511 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: and my loyalty as a man who is convinced that 512 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: the whole past of shame is dead. So that's nice, 513 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 1: that's that's cool. I mean, it's yeah interesting, you know, right, 514 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I think it's the clearest we get to 515 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: a person at a time, being Like in the last 516 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, I have gone from president to a 517 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: guy who has to ask the anarchist for a rifle 518 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: so I can fight. Yeah, and like it's a you know, 519 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: people get on that, the Lensky stuff, but this is 520 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: kind of different, I guess, you know, Like it's good 521 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: to find someone who cares about a cause more than power. Yeah. 522 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: As a rule, if it's your job to be in 523 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: charge of people, I'm probably not a fan of their 524 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: job existing. But if when it comes down to it, 525 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: you you you throw down rather than the hide in 526 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: a bunker or flee the country to live in exile 527 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: in I don't know, whatever friendly country, then that's better 528 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: than the alternative. Yeah, yeah, i'd agree, And I think, yeah, 529 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: being more attached to this and to yourself preservation or 530 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: your power, I think is admirable. For example, if Joe 531 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: Biden had burned down the third Precinct himself. I think 532 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people would feel more positively towards him. 533 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: He did, though you didn't. We're not supposed to talk 534 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: about this on the podcast. Guys, all right, you're right, 535 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: this is this is yeah again wraps until the mid 536 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: terms really start to heat up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's 537 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: a surprised video of Joe Biden with a firebomb. I 538 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: was told that he had a kind of ax body 539 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: sprain of lighter mm hmmmm yeah, that's how he normally 540 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: roles when he's in Block and all right, sorry, that 541 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: image is like so cursed that I'm like Joe Biden 542 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: and Block doing the smile like he's in the Camaro, 543 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: but we're just holding the ax body sand. But everyone 544 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: can figure out it's him because he keeps touching people 545 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: and everyone's keeping He's sniffing everybody's hair, asking if he 546 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: can smell the inside of their bala clavas. Uncle Joe, 547 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: a hero, true anti fascist. Yeah, are you are you 548 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: going dark Brandon on us? Oh? God, we are. We 549 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to explain what dark bread it is on 550 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: the pond. I don't think we need to. I don't 551 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: think that's ever going to be irrelevant. I think we 552 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: would just say, let's go get up. Kids. Just type 553 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Dark Brandon into your Twitter search and see what happened 554 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: and educate yourself this right now. But please get yeah, 555 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: please do because I don't have a clue. No, I 556 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah, I know 557 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: on the Internet enough, and I don't think I haven't 558 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: one to be um, So things go differently on across 559 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: the country, right, um the Navy. I'm waiting to hear 560 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: Margaret squeal or scream or cry. I just don't understand. Okay, 561 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: I think it's that he's a vampire. Yes, go fucking 562 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: go ahead, tell us about dog brand. I don't know. 563 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: It's just weird. I don't want to know. Yeah, you 564 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: don't need to know. It's fine, it's it's a good time. 565 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a good time on the internet. That's all. 566 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: The Dark Brandon is all right. The Navy doesn't fall 567 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: for the coup, right, and this leads to this spectacular 568 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: exchange between the crew of the James, the first Battleship 569 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: right of the Ministry of Marine crew to Ministry of Marine. 570 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: We've encountered serious resistance in the minds and officers on 571 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: board crew to Ministry of Marine, we have subdued them 572 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: by force. Urgently request instructions as to bodies. Ministry to 573 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: Marine to crew, lower the bodies overboard with respectable solemnity. 574 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: What is your present position? So what they've done there 575 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: is the officers have declared for the crew for the coup, 576 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: and the minute the sailors on board the ship have 577 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: killed them and throwing them over the edge. Subdued by force? 578 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: What do we do with the people we have subdued? 579 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Just the most amazing radio message like the officers turned 580 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: out to be Rudd's and then like brief pause, what 581 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: do you want us to do with their bodies? Again? King? Shit? 582 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: So it's a few days before the battle lines really 583 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: get drawn as to who is where, who's on what 584 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: side of the Spanish Civil War. It's a few days 585 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: before it becomes clearly this is a civil war because 586 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: without boats, the rebels seemed to be in trouble, but 587 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: the fascists came to their abe with planes to where 588 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: lift the troops from Africa. The Republic had more troops 589 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: and more access to supplies, and it looked like they 590 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: were going to win a war of attrition. That doesn't 591 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: work out because France, the UK, and the United States 592 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: abandoned Spain and a fascist do not abandon Franca. I 593 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: don't really want to finish there. I want to backtrack 594 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: and think about how many times in the past or 595 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: the present the working class of a city is spontaneously 596 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: organized to prevent an army from entering that city, especially 597 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: in the age of the tank and the bomber. I 598 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: can't already think of any and I know if you 599 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: guys can, but I can come up with one. I 600 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: got nothing, yeah, anyone, I mean other than Kiev kind 601 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: of yeah, some of it was at least spontaneous, but yeah, yeah. 602 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: And it wasn't against their own army like they had 603 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: an army, no, that is yeah, I mean you could 604 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: there are pieces of that, and it was it was 605 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: not as organized or clearly as successful in you know, 606 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: the Holy Week uprisings and the Watts riots and stuff. Yeah, yeah, true, yeah, 607 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: pieces of it. Yeah, I mean, even like in Minneapolis, right, 608 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: like where the state didn't exist for a while. But uh, this, 609 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: this revolution is somewhat unique at least in that right, 610 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: And what happens afterwards, and what happened in the Civil 611 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: War isn't what I want to end on. You can 612 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: see this kind of idea in ken Loach's film Land 613 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: and Freedom, that this was a romantic failure, and I 614 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think that the the only 615 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: way for the Civil Water succeed was doing what it did. 616 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: For the Republic to succeed was doing what it did well, 617 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: and what it did well with harnessing the enthusiasm and 618 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: passion of the working class people to build a better 619 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: word for themselves. When it became not worth fighting and 620 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: dying for something, then the war was already lost for 621 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Trying to mass behind a conventional 622 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: war effort doesn't make sense when your enemy has every 623 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: advantage in a conventional war effort. But I don't want 624 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: to focus on that. I want to focus on the 625 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: last week, when the city is in the hands of 626 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: the people, when there are no cops and no bosses. 627 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: People go back to work as collectives when there's no money, 628 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: but people distribute food to people who need it all 629 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: across Spain, and not just at the bar of a gun. 630 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: People collectivised. They collectivising Castile and the socialized industry in Valencia. 631 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: And it's a remarkable moment in human history, and it 632 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: doesn't last more than a year, but I think it 633 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: shows us that this, this other future was possible. Right. 634 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: The path we took from to the present day was 635 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: not the best one, but I like to think that 636 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: just for just for a little while, it could have 637 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: done better. And and I think that's where I want 638 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: to end, really, is thinking about how we could do better. 639 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: And if people want to read books this this has 640 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: already been a long episode. I will say Helen Graham's 641 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: very short introduction is very good. Um, Anthony Beavo's newer 642 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: book is good, and you can get an audiobook Julian 643 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: Casta Nova. It's one of my favorite writers in Spanish 644 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: and some of his stuff is translated into English. Augustine 645 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: Giarmad's book Ready for the Revolution on the affinity groups 646 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: of the CNT and and Chris ellen stuff on Barcelona 647 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: is excellent, and if you're in Barcelona, Nick Lloyd's Walking 648 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: Towards are excellent. Yeah, that's hope. That's enough there. You 649 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: can watch Ken Loaches film. You can watch I think 650 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: it's called Parallel Mothers that's on Netflix, a couple of 651 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: good films. Yeah, thank you so much, Margaret again for 652 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: joining me too, and hear me drown on about the 653 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: Spanish Civil War for an hour and I'm into it. 654 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: I didn't know, well, I've only been learning the details 655 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: more recently, you know, I've always just heard about it 656 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: in in broad strokes and the like. You know, a 657 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: lot of people like talking about what it means, right, 658 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: but till about what it means isol But the stuff 659 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: that's like really interesting to me is the stuff that 660 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: actually like makes it matter is the the person who 661 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: shows up and you know, develops ways to deal with 662 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: trauma by art therapy. And the people who bravely steal 663 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: dynamite and become named named Rose of the Dynamiter. What 664 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: was what was her name? Yeah, she loses a hand. Yeah, 665 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: it's better than Rose of the Riveter. I mean, no 666 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: offense to Rosa the Riveter, But Rose of the Dynamiter 667 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: is is is doing well? Um? What was it called? Dynamiter? 668 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: Go after all of the libraries keeping the books in 669 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: prison free knowledge keepers of thought. I really like variants 670 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: taken away get canceled, but I like libraries and librarians 671 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: you all aren't ready for this discourse, Margaret, but kill 672 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: Joy take your librari coroblematic. That's how we know your 673 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: a CIA asset because of your pro library style. Yeah, exactly, 674 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: classic capitalist infrastructure. What where did the CIA train all 675 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: those people to overthrow governments? The School of the America's 676 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: what does every school have? Library? Library is the problem 677 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: because that's the School of America's. There's there's two things 678 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: wrong with School of America's school and America. Most the 679 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: problem is the school part. I think the real problems 680 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: School of the Americas that had School of the Dame, 681 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: and we can't have that. That is, that's an oppressive, 682 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: hierarchical system of learning. Unbelievable. If America Vespucci never came here, 683 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: maybe things would be different, maybe even better. Wow, anti 684 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: Italian slander, I'm here for it. Well let's all end 685 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: on that note. Fuck Italy yea and funk traffic lights, Margaret, 686 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: Do you have anything to plug? I do. People can 687 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: get my they can pre order my book that is 688 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: all about why traffic lights are bad. Um. It's called 689 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: we Won't be here Tomorrow, and it's written from the 690 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: point of view of a traffic light that no, it's 691 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: knows it's about to be abolished. It's out from a 692 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: K press. Um who uses the red and black flag 693 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: is the logo, and much like the anarchist in the 694 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: Spanish Civil War who developed the red and black flag, 695 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: which is to reference, of course, the negation of the red, 696 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: because the red in the traffic light is what stops you, um, 697 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: and so the black is the negation the red in 698 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: this in this case, and that's what happens when you 699 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: disconnect a traffic light from power. It goes black. No, 700 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: it's disconnecting ship. But people are shooting the traffic light. 701 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: And you know what a k do you know what 702 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: a K press? Do you know? Do you know what 703 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: a K press sells? Well? Books and and books? Where 704 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: do where do books get kept? That's right, that's it's all. 705 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: It's your everyone is in on it. Okay, Well, if 706 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: you don't want to be part of the evil world, 707 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 1: you can do what is clearly good, which is listened 708 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: to podcasts and create para social relationships the public medium 709 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: of podcasting. And if you want to create a para 710 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: social relationship with me, you can listen to my podcasts, 711 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: one of which is called Live Like the World Is Dying. 712 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: It's an individual community preparedness podcast. And the other one 713 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: is called Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, which is 714 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: all about people who defend libraries from people like you, 715 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: um and anti anti learning nihilist radicals. Yeah, anti library action. 716 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. That's what the l is, isn't it. 717 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: That's that's what that that is why I fly the 718 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: black and gray. I'll just watching alright. Thank yous wants 719 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: to make me an an Arco goth flag that was 720 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: black and then black lace. That's great, thanks for having 721 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: I would fly that al right, Well, thank you for listening. 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