1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor, a protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Rees and I'm Lauren Vogel mom. And today 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about sesame seeds. Yes, and this was a 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: suggestion for me, but it was a while back, so 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember why I suggested it, but I think 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: it was because I had seeds eating seeds on the brain, 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: because I have a friend who has like a I 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: wouldn't say phobia, but she doesn't like to eat anything 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: with seeds. She's got like a weird thought that they'll 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: sprout up. And then I uh just realized I didn't 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: know where sesame seeds came from, and they're pretty ubiquitous. 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: And then I think I also wanted to know where 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the phrase opened sesame comes from. Sure, yeah, because I'm 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: very curious about things like that, which we will get 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: into in this episode. I do use sesame seeds and 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: sessme oil quite a bit. Uh. I have had trouble 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: finding sessme seeds during the pandemic actually, but yeah, I 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: just like sprinkling them on like eggs or noodles or 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: anything like that. Oh yeah, now they're they're they're a 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: great seasoning um. And yeah, just a little bit of um. 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't have any neutrally flavored sesame oil in the house, 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: but I do have some toasted sesame oil and just 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: adding a little bit of that too to other cooking 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: oils or dressings or whatever. Oh it's so, it's just 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: so good. So it sessme is probably one of my 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: favorite flavors. It's delicious, and I think people forget that. 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: It's like you can be it can be in desserts 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: as well. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's one of my 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: very favorite applications of it. Mm hmmm, well, I suppose 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: we shouldn't get to our questions. I suppose we should 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: sesame seeds. What are they? Well, uh, sesame seeds? Are 32 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: we little crunchy nutty oil packets. The The sesame plant 33 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: is a flowering plant that grows to between three and 34 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: six ft tall about a meter two in height and 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: uh leafy, leafy green, and will produce these inches long 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: white to pink to purple flowers that look like giant snowdrops, 37 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: which will then develop um oblong seed pods that look 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: a little bit like small okra um, each containing many 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: like maybe like a hundred uh small flat seeds in 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: in pointed oval shapes, each with a thin skin containing 41 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: an oily, solid interior. The plants grow well in hot, 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: dry climates once they're established. UM It is an annual 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: plant botanical name Sesamum indicome. The fruits go from green 44 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: to yellow as they ripen and will eventually bust open, 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: but you usually want to harvest them before that happens. UM. 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: The seeds can range in outer color from white to 47 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: golden brown to red to black UM. Here in the States, 48 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: some heirloom varieties of sesame plants that you get may 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: be referred to by one of the names that they 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: came here by via Africa ben a UM, which apparently 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: have a stronger and more bitter flavor than UM than 52 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: other other sesame seeds that you can just get at 53 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: your local supermarket. UM. And sesame is indeed very oily 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: for a seed. Like most seeds, contain oils because it's 55 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: part of UM, part of the little nutritional packet that 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: A that A that a baby plant would need to 57 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: get its start. UM. But yeah, different types and crops 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: of of sesame can range considerably from oil to like 59 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: six oil by weight UM averaging about but even that 60 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: low end is high like soybeans are around the present 61 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: oil by weight for comparison, When you extract that oil, 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: it's a light golden in color and pretty neutral in flavor. UM. 63 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: If you've seen or purchased uh darker sesame oil that's 64 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: been toasted and it's more highly flavored, it brings out 65 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the nuttiness in the oil. UM. The 66 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: seeds can be used in lots of dishes yes, both 67 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: savory and sweet um and because they provide a pleasurable crunch, 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: especially when toasted, they're they're frequently used hole as a 69 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: topping on savory baked goods, as a coating on doughnuts 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: or mochy or dumplings, UM, as a sprinkle on anything 71 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: noodle dishes or salads, or in making candy. Yeah. Also 72 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: baked into goods hole UH. They can be ground into 73 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: a powder or paste and used in soups and stews 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: and sauces. UM. You can hull them and make them 75 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: into condiments like tahini. The oil can be used in 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: cooking or as a flavoring um, and is also used 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: in cosmetics, personal care products, pharmaceuticals, UH, paints and inks 78 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: as a stabilizer binder and moisturizing agent. The leaves can 79 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: also be cooked and eaten as a vegetable um and 80 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: apparently have some like thickening mucilage in them, sort of 81 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: like okra again yeah um. And the oil can be 82 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: more shelf stable than other cooking oils due to its 83 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: antioxidant content. Um. When the seeds are processed into oil, 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: the the byproduct meal is often used as a as 85 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: a livestock feed. Yeah. I think I said, uh probably 86 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: on a previous podcast about how when this whole quarantine 87 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: first started, I was really into this stir fried eggplant dish, 88 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: so good, so spicy, but it involves toasting sesame seeds 89 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: and sesame oil and it's so do I love it 90 00:05:53,640 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: so much. Oh yeah yeah, m hm m hmm. Now 91 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: now I just now I want to go Actually, now 92 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: I just want to go make dumplings. I was going away. 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, my little homemade dumpling sauce has a good, 94 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: good punch of sesame oil and sesame seeds in it. 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: So oh homemade dumpling sauce. Oh yeah, it's so easy. 96 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you up about their leader just vinegar, 97 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: so I uh like chili paste I mean you have 98 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: to get the proportions right. I yeah, yeah, we'll work out. 99 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: We'll work it out. I fall down in that area 100 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot, so your help. So what about the nutrition. 101 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Sesame seeds are nutritionally dense. They contain a lot of 102 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: protein in addition to those fats which are largely good 103 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: fats uh, plus a good smattering of minerals and other micronutrients. Um. Whole. 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: They are a good source of fiber as well. Um. 105 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: So they will fill you up and help keep you going. 106 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: Eat a vegetable, always, always to vegetable. Yeah. Um the 107 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: oil and when the compounds in it are being tested 108 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: for stuff like anti inflammatory and anti cancer effects. But 109 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: as always, our bodies are complicated. More research is needed 110 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: before ingesting a medicinal dose of anything. You know, check 111 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: with a medical expert who is not us. Wow, two 112 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: of our sayings back to back. It's gonna count for something. Everyone, 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: get out your bingo card. Yes, we do have some 114 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: numbers for you. We do. A pound of sesame seeds 115 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: equals about fifteen thousand seeds. Wow. I used to be 116 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: really good at those games where you know they have 117 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: the jars. Yeah, but it's because I would count and 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: then multiply it do the same. I don't think I 119 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: could do that with it would be you would have 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: to have a lot more patients or like visual acuity 121 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: than I do. It's a superpower. I don't have it, 122 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: but it's possible. As of global production per year was 123 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: about four point four million tons of sesame seed and growing. 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh um. Mean, mar China and India are some of 125 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 1: the world's largest producers. As of about sevent of the 126 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: world's crop was grown in Asia UM and another in Africa, 127 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: so very little in UM, Europe and North America or 128 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: the Americans in general. Yeah, mhm. Of that crop, Japan 129 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: and Turkey import the most. And these numbers are a 130 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: bit older, but the US imported about forty thousand tons 131 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: of sesame seeds and two thousand, two hundred tons of 132 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: sesame oil in nine and I would highly suspect that 133 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: it has gone up since then. Yes, yes, According to 134 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: mental floss, McDonald's purchases of Mexico's sesame seed crop for 135 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: their burger buns. Yeah, and I we're going to talk 136 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: about this a little bit later. But I hadn't realized 137 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: that not all McDonald's burger buns have the sesame seeds 138 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the right, right right, It's it's that special big mack thing. Um. 139 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: The selling price for sesame seeds is about double that 140 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: of sunflower seeds are soybeans, but um, far less can 141 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: be produced, especially in the America's and Europe, meaning that 142 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: it has not been widely developed as a cash crop 143 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: in these places where it has been introduced more recently. Yes, um, 144 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: And it does have a very interesting and storied history. 145 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: It does. And oh yeah places where it was introduced 146 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: not recently, it goes way back. Um. And we are 147 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: going to get into that, but first we're going to 148 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: get into a quick break for words from our sponsor, 149 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. So Yes, 150 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: sesame seeds have a long history and are perhaps one 151 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: of the oldest cultivated crops in existence and one of 152 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: the first cultivated seed oils. Because yes, it did have 153 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of oil. It was very sought after. Because 154 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: of that. Ancient Babylonians and Assyrians used the oil from 155 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: the seeds as far back as four thousand years ago, 156 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: where it was prized in part because it was seen 157 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: as a quote survivor crop. Um. The seeds are believed 158 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: to have originated on the Indian subcontinent, or perhaps not. 159 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: Still some debate around that, especially because there's some real 160 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: confusion around the origin of the name uh. It could 161 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: have also originated in more than one place at different times, 162 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: as always as a possibility. The oldest seeds archaeologists have 163 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: discovered to date were found in what is now Pakistan 164 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: and are thought to be somewhere between four thousand and 165 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: four thousand, six hundred years old. From this, historians think 166 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: that the seeds spread to Mesopotamia by two thousand BC, 167 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: and that Egyptians were pressing the seeds for oil and 168 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: grinding them for flower by hundred. Yeah, there's there's a 169 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: little bit of confusion in a lot of these dates 170 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: because they're old, and some of the first records that 171 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: we do have are these trading records from right around 172 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: like like two thousand BC. Yes, the oil may have 173 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: also been used as oil for lamps, um in cosmetics, medicinally, 174 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: as an insecticide, various other things like that. Simple versions 175 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:04,479 Speaker 1: of tahini probably debuted pretty early on to future episode, 176 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: but yeah, that probably came pretty early on. Sesame seeds 177 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: may have been used in Hindu rites and ceremonies in 178 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: India since ancient times and may have also symbol as immortality. 179 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: It's unclear when exactly the seeds arrived in China, but 180 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: they were well known and grown by two hundred There 181 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Chinese varieties of sesame seeds spread throughout Central Asia along 182 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: silk roads. Sesame seeds were probably in Rome by thirty c. 183 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: Records show that people in Sicily were sprinkling the seeds 184 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: on food items in the first century ce UM. While 185 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: not too many records exist, it was an important crop 186 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons in the Middle East, East Africa, 187 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: and India going back to ancient times. Now the phrase 188 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: open sesame is thought to come up from one thousand 189 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: and one Nights and specifically Ali Baba and the forties leaves. 190 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: And there is a lot of historical confusion about when 191 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: these tales were first written, because I was just trying 192 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: to find a date to put on the No. Yeah 193 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: pretty much, oh no is the answer um. But as 194 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: storians think they were first compiled in the eighth century, 195 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: with other stories being added in following centuries. People think 196 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: open sessame refers to either the fact that the seeds 197 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: open at the lightest touch when mature, or the popping 198 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: sound the seed makes win it opens kind of like 199 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: a lock opening up. Okay, And reportedly the name for 200 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: Sesame Street comes from open sesame too, meaning opening up 201 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: of curiosity and knowledge. And I could not resist. I 202 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: know we're a food show, but I couldn't resist it. 203 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: I had to know because I've never thought about it. 204 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: I've never thought about the name. So according to the 205 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: Sesame Street website, it was the idea of writer Virginia 206 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: shown and pretty much everyone hated it, thinking that it 207 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: would be tough for children to pronounce. But they were 208 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: running out of time, so one of the executive producers 209 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: sent out a memo that read, if nobody comes up 210 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: with a better idea as of Monday, we were going 211 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: to call it Sesame Street. We went because it was 212 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: the least bad title. In the words of Kermit the Frog, 213 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, like open sesame. It kind of gives the 214 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: idea of a street where neat stuff happens. Don't have 215 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: a Kermit the Frog impression would butcher it if I 216 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: tried it right now, And that's not what's going to 217 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: happen to No, you know, you don't have to do 218 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: that everyone has a has a kermit in their head 219 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: and a kermit in their heart, and I feel like 220 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: they can they can imagine. Yes, yeah, see, I had 221 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: always assumed that open sesame was not related to the 222 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: seeds in any way, but was rather kind of like 223 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: a like a pun or like a play on like 224 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: open says a me, Like, that's what I always assumed. Oh, 225 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: well that's pretty clever, Lauren. I know I didn't never, 226 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: but but but apparently it was. I don't know, like, 227 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, no, that's cool, that's cool. Well, 228 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: maybe the listeners will have contradicting facts, but that's what 229 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: I am covered. No, no, no, that's the same thing 230 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that I read as well, because I was like really, 231 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: and then the Internet was like yeah, so mhm. There 232 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: sometimes the answers simpler than you expect. It happens very 233 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: rarely here, but sometimes, yeah, I feel like usually the 234 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: answer is like that's a little bit of a pun, 235 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: but not quite a good one. Not always, yea. Colonists 236 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: and enslaved people's introduces me see, to the new world 237 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: pretty much as soon as they arrived. To this day, 238 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Sesame seeds are cultivated and used in some Latin American countries. 239 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson might have grown them on some test plots, 240 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: and he called them beIN a or binny seeds, probably 241 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: because he was introduced to them through enslaved people's ben 242 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: A is a West African word for sesame seeds. UM. 243 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Apparently he was really enamored with them, with sesame seeds 244 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: and sesame seed oil. He thought it was a fine 245 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: substitute for expensive Italian olive oil. And I went on 246 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: a really deep dive on taxes around this time and 247 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: certain products for text and I didn't put it in here, 248 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: but it's complicated, but he was looking for alternative to 249 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: yes um, and he really really wanted to succeed in 250 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: growing them. Over the first three years, though he got 251 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: about a gallon of oil and two or three bustles 252 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: of seeds. He did continue to grow them, but really 253 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: didn't have much success. UM. Some in the state of 254 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina attempted to grow it on an industrial scale 255 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds, at the time oil production was 256 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: incentivized again, there was a lot of tax stuff going on. 257 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I learned a lot about growing indigo in South Carolina UM, 258 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: but nothing much came of the sesame seed growing there. 259 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: The first known written instance of binet used in the 260 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: English language appeared in seventeen forty six in South Carolina. 261 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: In the eighteen twenties and thirties, American doctors suggested a 262 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: drink made of beIN at leaves for the summer complaint um. 263 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty seven, cook book called The Carolina Housewife 264 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: came with a recipe for binny soup reminiscent of the 265 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: African soup. Widows of Confederate soldiers raised money by selling 266 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: ben at treats, and Mrs Eleanor Williams that her family 267 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: started selling ben a way first squares, sticks and brittle 268 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: in South Carolina around nineteen o eight. By nineteen fifty, 269 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: folks could buy little bags of South Carolina been a 270 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: wafers at Macy's in New York. It wasn't until the 271 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties that sesame seeds were introduced to the US 272 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: on a larger scale. Due to the finicky nature of 273 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: most available cultivars um when it comes to mechanical harvesting, 274 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: domestic production never really took off. However, A mutant, non 275 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: shattering sesame seed was discovered in nineteen forty three, which 276 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: led to progress in terms of sesame cultivars and production. 277 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: The first commercial production began in the nineteen fifties after 278 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: these discoveries. Uh yeah yeah, like I said earlier, Um, 279 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: those pods will naturally break open right on the plant 280 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: um when the pods are very ripe. And so this 281 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: development of this of this new variety that does not 282 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: pop open and spill the useful part of the plant 283 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: that you want to eat all over the ground was 284 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: aces just just real good. It does not open sesame. 285 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: It does not also non shattering mutant another superhero possibility here. Um. 286 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: And this coincide with the first known written reference to 287 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: the sesame seed buns from a article about food chain 288 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: Bob's Big Boy. McDonald's though, popularize this practice when it 289 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: introduced the Big Mac in and list of the ingredients 290 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: in a nationwide television ad campaign, including a quote sesame 291 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: seed bun. And I read a lot of articles about this, 292 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: and no one seems to be quite sure the exact 293 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: reasoning for adding them. If it was a texture thing, 294 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: I personally think it was a visual thing, and to 295 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: make it like kind of stand out a bit more 296 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: and seem a bit fancier. Yeah, I would agree, but 297 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: but they didn't ask me at the time because I 298 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: didn't exist yet. So because I will, that's oh heck, 299 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: not in this form at any rate. Legend goes that 300 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: the everything bagel, which is the bagel coated with dried 301 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: onion and garlic, salt, and poppy and sesame seeds sometimes 302 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: other things are added in there, was invented in New 303 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: York and either nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty or 304 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: around that time, sometimes around there. Apparently the employees at 305 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: this place where one day cleaning the oven and decided 306 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: to use all of the fallen off excess toppings instead 307 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: of discarding them and put them on the bagels. They 308 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: decided to call it the everything bagel. The first known 309 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: written mention appeared in Again, they probably just popularized it 310 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: and gave it a name, because there are at least 311 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: three or four different people laying claim to the everything 312 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: Bagel around the same time too. So yeah, Dader Joe 313 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: started selling their everything but the Bagel seasoning, in which 314 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: I know is a hit. Oh yeah, yeah, um, And 315 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: I will say that since I shouldn't really have garlic 316 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: or onion, the sesame seed bagel is my favorite type 317 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: of bagel, and we know you've got some strong bagel 318 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: opinions for wrong bagel opinions. Sessaco, which is the only 319 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: significant producer of sesame seeds in the US, was established 320 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: in San Antonio, Texas. Yeah they are, UM, or I 321 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: suppose were as of which is the last date that 322 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: I could find numbers for the only company actively developing 323 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: and distributing sesame seed in the United States. UM. They 324 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: contract these exclusive varieties of seeds to farmers and then 325 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: take the product back and process and market the resulting 326 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: seeds in Oil Oklahoma started commercially harvesting sesame seeds in 327 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure well so I'm not remembering quickly 328 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma the big two states that in Texas 329 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: is by far number one that produced sesame seeds. Yeah yeah, yeah, 330 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: but but but Sessiko is is a national company. They 331 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: work with farmers UM everywhere sesame seed grows. UM. Global 332 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: production of sesame seeds did double from the early nineteen 333 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: sixties through the early two thousand's. I tried to find 334 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: um more information about why. I guess the answer could 335 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: always be so simple as people like it. But I 336 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: was trying to get into the history of why sesame 337 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: seeds are involved in sushi and um, like the history 338 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: of desserts like Asian sesame desserts, and you can't find much. 339 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: So if if you listeners have any knowledge or information 340 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: about that, please yeah, yeah, or I I suspect that 341 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: it might come up if we managed to do deep 342 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: dives into any of those dishes that sometimes incorporate that ingredient. 343 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, I feel like I haven't run 344 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: across it in prior episodes that we've done that would 345 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: have touched on it, So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 346 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: if if, as always, if anyone has any any information, 347 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: please right in. Yes, and speaking of that's what we 348 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: have to say about sesame seeds for now, but we 349 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: do have some listener mail for you. We do. But 350 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: first we've got one more quick break for a word 351 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 352 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: thank you, And we're back with do you play popcorn? 353 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: As a kid play popcorn? So no, there are two 354 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: versions of popcorn. There's one playing class s where you 355 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: pop you have to read something in the textbook and 356 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: then you pop corn to someone else and they have 357 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: to start reading. You would cheat and you'd read like 358 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: two words and then popcorn. So I don't know why 359 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: that was a thing. But then the other version was 360 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: you'd get in you'd be on a trampoline and you'd 361 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: wrap your your arms around your knees and you try 362 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: to not come out of that position as people tried 363 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: to bounce you out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've 364 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: done that on a on a trampoline and not ChRI 365 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: iff we Oh no, I guess we would have called 366 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: it that. Yeah, my uh. Some of the some of 367 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: the theater communities around Atlanta, well we'll use um uh 368 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: finger snaps um during during like like feedback, like audience feedback, 369 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: as as a type of popcorn um in order to 370 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: just kind of be like, oh man, yeah, I agree 371 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: with that. I like it the sound of a good snap. 372 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah uh. Way wrote I'm a Northerner grew up in 373 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: Indiana twenty five years in New England now, but Southern 374 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: food along with text mex Is comfort. I was a 375 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: fan of pimento cheese before traveling to Oxford, Mississippi years ago. 376 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: My company sent me down to Southern Food Ways Alliance 377 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: f f A to scope out requirements for a revamped website. 378 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: John t Edge was a gracious host, and the other 379 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: people on his team were similarly delightful and brilliant. I 380 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: want to have some biscuits and gravy, fried chicken and 381 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: pim cheese. They delivered on all. I was sent home 382 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: with a cookbook, but I don't bother with it except 383 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: for fun patherin um. I know the essentials and my recipe. 384 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: Southerners would surely say, you must use Duke's Mayo. Not 385 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: so easy to find where I live. But when I 386 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: find it during travels, I bring home many jars, and 387 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: during my wife's consternation that I'm hoarding she doesn't understand. 388 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: An important angle that you must pursue should you take 389 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: on this food topic is the case of the Master's 390 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: golf Course lost recipe. Yeah, iconic part of going to 391 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: the Masters is their pim cheese sandies. As I recall, 392 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: one guy was doing it for decades, then either left 393 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: or lost the vendor leaves and his recipe went with him. 394 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: One board member had a cord of it in the freezer, 395 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: and as the story goes, they used to that with 396 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: the next vendor to try to match the famous recipe, 397 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, this happened again. The second 398 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: vendor departed was fired uh and the golf club still 399 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: didn't own the recipe. I could add commentary, but you 400 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: two are too nice to endure my explicit filth thoughts 401 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: of this not a golf for myself, and don't think 402 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: highly of the exclusivity of the golf course and Master's tournament. Well, 403 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: I my family loves pimento cheese. It's kind of like 404 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: a really special occasion food. I had no idea about 405 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: this golf connection. Funnily enough, I uh was in marching 406 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: band and our band director loved, loved, loved golf, and 407 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: I have two golf memories with this one. My parents 408 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: volunteered at the Master's four marching band on my behalf. 409 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: I was supposed to go, but I got very, very sick, 410 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: and to this day my family thinks I faked it, 411 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: which I did it. I was really sick, but apparently 412 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: it was a miserable exerience of the masters. And then 413 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: the other one of was we did like our band 414 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: was really small, I had like thirty members and I 415 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: felt very bad. So I was showed up to these things. 416 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: Um We had a golf charity fundraiser and it was 417 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: me and one of my band director's friends and my 418 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: band director and a friend of mine and I. It 419 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: was supposed to be like how far can you hit it? 420 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: That's how much money you'll raise, just like barely knock 421 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: it out. I think people gave me money out of pity. 422 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: But anyway, Yes, Pimeno cheese. John Tge superproducer Dylan and 423 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: I met him at an s f A event was 424 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: very lovely. So yeah, I'd love to talk about Yeah, 425 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: I've been I've been kind of going like like is 426 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: there enough to do a whole episode on it? As 427 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: with many um kind of spreads and sandwiches and related topics, 428 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, can we talk for like half 429 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: an hour about this thing? I mean I know many 430 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: people who can and will talk for half an hour 431 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: about it, but like conversationally, um, right, because it is 432 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: we going to my golf memories. It is quite a 433 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: big deal here. Um And uh yeah, I don't think 434 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: I'd ever heard of Pimiento cheese until I moved to Atlanta. 435 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I think we can do it. We 436 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: can find a way. Pimento cheese always finds a way. 437 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: It's true, Caitlin wrote, Adobo and a slow cooker involves 438 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: all the everything you want to adobo. I prefer chicken 439 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: thighs equal parts water, soy, sauce and vinegar to almost 440 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: or barely cover what you're cooking. Flipping and basting can 441 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: be done, but it's extra work. Usually I use a 442 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: third cup of each base on four thighs because I 443 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: do use the excuse of basting and flipping to go 444 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: check on my food and get the warm, fuzzy feeling um. 445 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: Then optional garlic, black peppercorns, and bay leaves, all in 446 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: amounts that just feel right. This is a recipe based 447 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: on feel. I never can get real measurements from the family. 448 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: I try asking, and my Lolo will just hold her 449 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: hand out with the ingredients like this much. Throw it 450 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: together in a slow cooker for the day six hours minimum, 451 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: or pressure cooker if in a hurry. It gets tender 452 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: but not as fat melty. Make some cooking ut rice 453 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: with one cup rice one can coconut milk if you 454 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: think of it, Take the fat out and uh and 455 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: use the the can to measure the water, and then 456 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: add regular water to make up the difference for the 457 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: liquid that you need. It might be half a cup, 458 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: it might be a whole cup. I usually go for 459 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: equal parts rice and water after washing it, since I 460 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: can never get all the water out from washing in 461 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: the cooker insert. But my brother in law's has measuring 462 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: with your finger works too. Touch the top of the 463 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: rice and the water should reach your first knuckle. This 464 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: does take longer in my rice cooker, and I never 465 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: learned to make rice on the stove. Stole my mom 466 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: it's cooker when I moved out, because I like the color. 467 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: When the rice is done, pull out that meat and 468 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: broil for yemmy crispy skin. So I made this. Oh yeah, 469 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: how easy, so good, tasted so good. The only thing 470 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: I didn't do um I couldn't find chicken thieves the skin. Sorry, 471 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: I didn't get the crispy yemmy skin. And I put 472 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: how females in mine because of course I did, of 473 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: course he did. Yeah, well it was so good. And 474 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: the whole garlic clothes. Oh yeah, oh wow, Yeah, I 475 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: want to go. I want to go make this immediately. 476 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. The smell was fantastic. I I agree, 477 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I was. I would find myself going over there to 478 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: base it to just oh, I better go check on it. 479 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's such a like simple but delicious, uh 480 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: and easy sp And We've gotten a couple more recipes 481 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: and I'm working my way through them. So that's very 482 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: very exciting. Good research, good research. Yeah, yes, we love 483 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: it when you send recipes listeners. Please keep those coming. 484 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: Um and thanks to both of these listeners for writing in. 485 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: If you would like to write to as, you can 486 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: our emails Hello at savor pod dot com. We're also 487 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 488 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: and Instagram at savor pod, and we do hope to 489 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: hear from you. 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