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Speaker 2: That was best selling author and On Purpose host Jay

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Speaker 2: Shetty reflecting on the hard truth and marriage growth isn't

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Speaker 2: always comfortable, especially when the person holding up the mirror

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Speaker 2: this best of episode of My Legacy, We're going Beyond

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Speaker 4: In your international best selling book Eight Rules of Love,

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Speaker 6: Well, Jason very expressive person, but it's not just the

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Speaker 6: I did start listening to your podcast last year.

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Speaker 9: Guys are hilarious.

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Speaker 10: Now back to my legacy, after more than forty years

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Speaker 2: Now, coming up, CNN's Doctor, Sanche Gutta opens up about

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Speaker 7: Now back to my legacy.

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Speaker 8: Well, what is the secret?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 8: The two of you have been happily made for twenty

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Speaker 11: our kids are like, why are you starting? Used to

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Speaker 13: I love that, I think because I was thinking about this, uh,

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Speaker 13: in anticipation of this interview. By the way, people don't

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Speaker 13: get to have nice conversations like this enough, I just

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Speaker 13: I'll just throw that in there, like it's funny. We

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Speaker 13: talk all the time, Rebecca and I, and yet we

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Speaker 13: probably don't really have conversations like this. But I think, oh,

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Speaker 13: let me just say what. I think that the the

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Speaker 13: idea that there's a lot of mutual respect for each other,

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Speaker 13: Like I think that that that ingredient more than maybe

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Speaker 13: any other, the the love at first sight, the intellectualism,

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Speaker 13: all of that mutual respect. Genuine respect, I think is

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Speaker 13: the hey and and also coupled with that is the

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Speaker 13: idea that I never question she has my best interests

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Speaker 13: in mind. I think when you have interactions with people

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Speaker 13: in your life, you do wonder they're competing interests, sometimes

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Speaker 13: with why they're telling you what they're telling you, or

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Speaker 13: and and and that's okay, that's not I'm not it's

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Speaker 13: not a criticism, that's life. But I think when you

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Speaker 13: have a partner who who you don't ever question that

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Speaker 13: they have your best interest in mind, that's a really

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Speaker 13: powerful thing and it's hard to find. It's hard to find,

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Speaker 13: and if you find it, you hang on to it.

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Speaker 7: One of my favorite things about this conversation today is

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Speaker 7: that because people are our listeners are listening and they

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Speaker 7: can't see us. Is that every time Rebecca is talking, Sanjay,

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Speaker 7: you're just like looking at her and like just like.

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Speaker 8: You're just like.

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Speaker 7: You're just like lighting up, and all of every time

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Speaker 7: that is panic.

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Speaker 9: And a daring love.

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Speaker 7: I like to keep him on his toes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us for the best of my legacy.

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