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Speaker 1: Hello, my little beautiful people, my little elves, my little

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Speaker 1: mister and missus Clauses. I mean, we're rowling up on Christmas.

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Speaker 1: We are Hi everyone, that's just it's me. We're back.

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Speaker 1: I am really excited about this Christmas because I haven't

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Speaker 1: had the greatest of holidays in a really long time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just like the energy every holiday

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Speaker 1: is just has been off for a minute. I won't

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Speaker 1: say why. I think it was. I think I know

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Speaker 1: exactly why the energy was off. But I got my

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree up and it just for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a minute, feels like Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Which is amazing because Ocean's here. It's our first Christmas,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: And it was so sweet because we took her out

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Speaker 1: the other day and she got to see, like they

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Speaker 1: do this thing by it's at this mall and at

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Speaker 1: a certain time every night they make it snow and

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Speaker 1: then Santa comes in. Okay, so Ocean has seen Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: She's seen it somewhat snow. The other night they did

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Speaker 1: like a huge fireworks show, So she's seen fireworks, like

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Speaker 1: all of these little first that I've seen where yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like last year, this time she was like in

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? And your tree looks gorgeous, your house

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Speaker 2: looks gorgeous. Your stalkings are so chic.

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Speaker 1: Also stalkings are hung by the fire.

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Speaker 2: They really are also laala. I put it on my story.

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Speaker 2: But the other night, Kyle and me and Margo were

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Speaker 2: at a mall at night that does fake snow that

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Speaker 2: Santa appeared, and I wonder if we were at the same.

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Speaker 1: We have the same mall or owned by the same people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just so cute. It's really cute.

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Speaker 2: Did she could you tell? Like watching her? Could she

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Speaker 2: did she kind of know what was going on? Or

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Speaker 2: was it a little too much?

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Speaker 1: No, she was very interested in what was going on.

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Speaker 1: But she gets this look on her face. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of like when she saw the fireworks, and of course

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Speaker 1: I cover her ears. Yeah, she can't hear it because

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Speaker 1: they're loud, but she gets this. She's a very curious

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Speaker 1: anything and everything. She's so curious what it is and

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Speaker 2: It's so cute too to watch her little eyes, Like

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Speaker 2: you you are the one that mentioned this. When we're talking,

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Speaker 2: we'll be Lalla and I will be in a full

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Speaker 2: just sitting in her little jumper or is sitting with

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Speaker 2: Gigi staring at our, and like, Lalla will talk and

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Speaker 2: Ocean will stare at her, and then I'll talk an

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Speaker 2: Ocean stares at us. I'm like, is she does she

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Speaker 1: She gets older, I won't be able to talk in

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god.

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Speaker 2: That's a big sign of intelligence though.

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Speaker 1: And babies, she's a baby genius. She takes after me,

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Speaker 1: she is. I'm a genius. Obviously you are. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you did I went to community college. Goddamn brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, college doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: We know this.

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Speaker 1: I mean one of these days, yeah, one of these days,

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Speaker 1: I may pull in Elwoods and be like, fuck it,

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Speaker 1: we're going to law school.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Ellie to that that, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I'm breaking this news to you, Lalla, but as of

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Speaker 2: this morning, Kim kardash she passed her bar exam.

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Speaker 1: I okay, is it crazy that I have chills? Did

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Speaker 1: you know that?

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Speaker 2: Did I break it to you?

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Speaker 1: You just broke that news. Isn't that you don't? That

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Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible. I'm inspired. That is amazing.

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Speaker 2: So La La Ken our next lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see I'll be a fucking savage. You really would?

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Speaker 1: I would represent women you.

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Speaker 2: And your mom?

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Speaker 1: Are you joking?

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Speaker 1: Lisa would be the PI. She would kill it. I

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Speaker 2: If I ever need anything investigated, I'm hiring Lisa. And

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Speaker 2: you can I could see you being a savage. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not fucking around.

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Speaker 2: She's really not.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for today's podcast. I know I'm excited

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Speaker 1: be excited when we have another guest on do you

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Speaker 1: watch Tiger King? Have you seen it? So?

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Speaker 2: I watched the first Tiger King, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: the newer Tiger King.

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen the newer one?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, today's episode is amazing because I'm going to

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Speaker 1: This season? This season? Actually I liked it a bit

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Speaker 1: expose these of course, the crazies come back and they,

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Speaker 4: Like, you know why they say animals don cage is

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Speaker 2: There are so many people who still think that and

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Speaker 1: It makes me physically ill. Yeah, and you can show

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Speaker 1: Well, exciting things happened to me daily. Okay. I love

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Speaker 2: But you know what, when you are finally able to

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Speaker 2: I know people personally who are going to be like,

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Speaker 2: I know. But at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my biggest struggle is you know you

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Speaker 1: bounce back I'm savage. We didn't just like get I

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Speaker 1: She's so lucky. She's going to grow up and be

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Speaker 1: one eight six six, la la pod. All right, my loves.

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Speaker 1: We are back with an incredible woman. She is the

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Speaker 1: real Tiger Queen. Her name is Bobby Brink. She has

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Speaker 1: a sanctuary called Lions, Tigers and Bears. Hi, Bobby, how

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Speaker 3: I'm good, how are you today? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm so excited to talk to you. When

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Speaker 1: I felt like most people's eyes were kind of opened

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Speaker 1: When Tiger King came out a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: your sanctuary, and I just want you to tell us

438
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Speaker 1: what you do and why it is different from let's

439
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: say people like Carol Baskin, right, So educate people.

440
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: So we are an accredited sanctuary where San Diego's lions,

441
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: tigers and bears and alpine and we rescue animals, provide

442
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 3: a lifetime home. We're an education center. And then of

443
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 3: course we're their boys. So we help legislation to protect them,

444
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: and we work with the first responders all across the country.

445
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: We go and places and help get animals out of

446
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: places that they shouldn't be and help get them either

447
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: here to our sanctuary or to a proper sanctuary. So

448
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: we do a lot of work.

449
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: You do incredible work. And I think a lot of

450
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: people go to sanctuaries. There are people, I don't want

451
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: to say, like you, people that kind of mask what

452
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: they're doing by calling it a sanctuary. Where would you

453
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: say the red flag is? How does someone know what

454
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: is a sanctuary and what is a place that is

455
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: exploiting animals and using the word sanctuary to cover that up?

456
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: Right, So a real sanctuary doesn't buy, doesn't breed, doesn't sell,

457
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 3: doesn't trade animals, and you won't see a lot of

458
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: babies or any public contact anymore. So if you're someplace

459
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: where you're seeing a lot of babies come in or

460
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 3: somebody's bringing in surplus animals, they're just actually hell he

461
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: being those other places to do wrong or they're doing

462
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: wrong their self. And one of the most important things

463
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: that I tell my members here and my donors is

464
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: know your animal. Know the animal you're supporting, Know where

465
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: it came from, where it originated from, why it's there,

466
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: it's issues, and then of course when it dies, so

467
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: it doesn't disappear out the back door to make room

468
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: for a new one to come in. Really important.

469
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I love everything you just said for because for me,

470
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: I mean you're the expert here. I always felt like

471
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: if there's any type of you know, the the animal

472
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: is being used to entertain you, or you're holding like

473
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: making contact with the animal, to me, that is exploiting

474
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: the animal. A sanctuary provides a place where the animal

475
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: is basically living in its natural habitat or as close

476
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: to it as you can possibly get. Exactly how many

477
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: people do you have work at your sanctuary?

478
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: So we have sixteen staff total, and we have about

479
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: ninety volunteers. You know, twenty of them are here every

480
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: week and there are core but we have about ninety volunteers.

481
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: So they do everything from helping clean up to just

482
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: paperwork and going out in the community and you know,

483
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: teaching people what's going on, all different tasks.

484
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And how many animals do you have on property?

485
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: We have here at lions, tigers and bears, sixty eight animals,

486
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: seventeen different species, everyone to rescue and everyone has their

487
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: own individuals story.

488
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: Where would you say you rescue these animals? I mean,

489
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: is it mostly the circus I think is kind of

490
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: dwindling at least in the United States? Would you say

491
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: it's private owners of these animals? Circuses? Like what is

492
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: What would you say is the biggest place that you

493
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: rescue from.

494
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: I would say compensated animals that you know, people are

495
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: in trouble and there take in away private owners given

496
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: back as a pet, or places that just get in

497
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: over their head and then they go broke. So that's

498
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: another problem is places taken too many animals to provide

499
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: the proper care.

500
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine that it is cheap to

501
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: feed these animals, take care of them. I mean, how

502
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: much do you spend each year on these animals.

503
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: It's minimum ten thousand dollars a year just for food

504
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: for a tiger.

505
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: For one for one tiger. Wow.

506
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: So housing being the most expensive building their habitat, and

507
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: then you know they have to have a keeper, insurance,

508
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: you know, electricity, they've got to have a pool with

509
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: a water you know, waterfall or circulating circulating fresh water

510
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: every day. So yeah, very expensive. And then of course

511
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: you know going across the country to get animals out

512
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 3: of situations, that's expensive too. So it's not cheap, but

513
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, we do it right. We give each animal

514
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: a really good quality of life.

515
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. My mom works for the

516
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Humane Society, and you know we're big on animals, from

517
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, the little hamsters to the big old bears.

518
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: So it's beautiful to see you doing all of this work.

519
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: How did you decide that you wanted to be in

520
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: this business of, you know, creating a sanctuary.

521
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: Well kind of by mistake. I was actually opening a

522
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: restaurant and in the hospitality business. And when I was

523
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: building one of my restaurants, I saw lions, tigers, leopards

524
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: for sale or lions tiger's cougars for sale, and I

525
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: answered the ad. This was in Texas and in nineteen

526
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: ninety and I've been working with the animals ever since.

527
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: I came across a woman. I wanted to answer the

528
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: ad and see what it was. And the first place

529
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: I went the lady lived on five acres. She had

530
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: thirty breeding cats and all these babies running around her

531
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: mobile home floor where you could buy one and take

532
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: one home today. So that really caught my attention, so

533
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: I started volunteering for her. And then I answered, you know,

534
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: it's other ads, and you just see the exotic animal

535
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: trade there like it's night and day. And I've seen

536
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: tigers for sale at cattle auctions in the Walmart parking

537
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: lot and they don't care who they're selling them to.

538
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: It's just to keep turning the babies and keep making

539
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: a profit. There's no federal tracking on these animals. Nobody

540
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: really knows exactly how many tigers are in the United

541
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: States and how many are in backyards. There's no way

542
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: to know, and we're just slowly getting state by state

543
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: laws passed to protect the animals because so many disappear.

544
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: You know, they're so cute when they're little, and they

545
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: use them for the photo ops and so people can

546
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: hold them and pet them and get their picture taken. Please, please,

547
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: please don't do it. There's not one legitimate place in

548
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: this country anymore that's doing what we call the cub

549
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: petting or cub handling. That's your first sign and most

550
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: of the animals disappear.

551
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You know, there was one thing that

552
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I had seen about. There was one white tiger in

553
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: the world, and basically any white tiger that popped up,

554
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: they all tracked them back to this. Basically they were

555
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: all in bred and some of them are now at

556
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: I believe is that the mirage in Las Vegas. Their

557
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: eyes are all messed up like the amount of inner breeding.

558
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely disgusting and I can't believe that

559
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: it's not taken more seriously, I.

560
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: Don't even know what to say about that, because I've

561
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: been doing this since nineteen nine and trying to expose

562
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: these people. And yeah, even as you're seeing in Tiger King,

563
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: they never seem to get in trouble for the animal abuse.

564
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: They get in trouble for drugs, yeah, for weapons, for

565
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: sexual things, for child endangerment, as we see murder for hire,

566
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: statutory rate, things like that, and then the animals always

567
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: come second. And one of the the only explanation I

568
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: can give for that is animals are still considered property.

569
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: And until our animals aren't considered property, they don't really

570
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: have any rights. So all of these animals that like

571
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: Joe Shribango and these people have dumped and use for

572
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: their drama and so they can stay in the media.

573
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: Nothing happens to them for what they've done to them,

574
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: And many animals have died, and they've killed many animals

575
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: and everything else broken the Endangered Species Act, and it

576
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 3: just seems to keep on going, and I just it

577
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: breaks my heart, but we just keep trying.

578
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: What do you think would be the biggest way that

579
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: people can start helping move this forward where we can

580
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: make a difference. I mean, obviously I try just through

581
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: my little social media to inform people that don't go

582
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: and support these places. Without our support, it's not a

583
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: sustainable business anymore. But at the same time, there has

584
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: to be legal repercussions for these people, because that's the

585
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: problem I had with Tiger King as well. It's like,

586
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: why are the animals being placed like basically on the

587
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: back burner. That was the start of the show. That's

588
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: what they wanted to portray, was it was about the animals.

589
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: And then I'm starting this it's murder for hire, it's

590
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: the statutory rape. I was like, we're we're losing what

591
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: this documentary was supposed to be about, which was it's

592
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: about the big cats, It's about the exotic animals. So

593
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: I was very disappointed that Tiger King took that turn

594
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: because I was hoping it would be like Blackfish myself too.

595
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: I know, it's very frustrating, So I just hope people

596
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 3: finally get it and they don't support these places anymore.

597
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: You almost want to shake people because you're showing your

598
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: it's like right in front of them, and you're no,

599
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: we're not allowed. But it's just like, I don't want

600
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it doesn't click that this is

601
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: so wrong, and I think that it's beautiful work that

602
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: you're doing, and the fact that you started doing it

603
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety I believe is what you said. I mean,

604
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: you were way ahead of the game knowing that this

605
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: was so wrong. What was the first animal that you

606
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: took into your sanctuary?

607
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: Two tigers. Their names were Raja and Natasha Okay, and

608
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: they came from Alvin, Texas. The man had bought them

609
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: as a pet for his wife and they were living

610
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: in a six by twelve chain link enclosure, no top,

611
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: and right after they got the cats, I guess they

612
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: decided they were going to get divorced, and just to

613
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: be mean to her, he didn't want her to have

614
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: the cats. So they stayed in that six by twelve,

615
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: probably about six years, no shade, no shelter. One had

616
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: to stand up for the other to lay down and

617
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: turn around, and they would, you know, have to fight

618
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: over the food. You and I couldn't even survive that.

619
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: But then finally he was getting in trouble, and Fish

620
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: and Wildlife gave us thirty days to get the permits

621
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: to cross the state lines and get a habit, a

622
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: suitable hat the tap built for them and you know,

623
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: get them out of there, and the guy agreed to

624
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: let us take them, so we kind of left out there.

625
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: So those were your first two animals.

626
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: Here at Lions, tigers and bears, and that was two

627
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: thousand and two September two thousand and two.

628
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

629
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Speaker 3: And then of course Natasha was pregnant, because that's what

630
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: he was doing. He was breeding them in that small

631
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: enclosure and then pulling the babies. So what the breeders

632
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: do is they pull the baby when they're about eight

633
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: to ten days old, their eyes aren't even open yet,

634
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: and they pull them from the mama and that will

635
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: bring the female back into heat, but it's very cruel

636
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: for the baby because now it's not going to learn

637
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: how to be a tiger. And they're plugging a bottle

638
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: in so people can hold it and get their pictures taken.

639
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: What usually happens to the babies once they're out of

640
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: that stage, they are they pretty much disposable for whoever

641
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: has them once they're out of that cute stage. I

642
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: mean what I know on Tiger King, a lot of

643
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: things were thrown around like they were being shot once

644
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: they were out of that quote unquote cute and cuddly stage,

645
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: gash chambers, what have you like. What do you think

646
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: happens to them?

647
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: Oh? I believe that's exactly what happens to them from

648
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: some of these breeders, because they just disappear and there's

649
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: no there's no records of how many come and go

650
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: within a year. For each of these breeders, and it's

651
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: they have to continue to have babies to keep their

652
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 3: business operating for the photo ops. And I've seen you'll

653
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: see them pushing the limit of using them as they're older.

654
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Speaker 3: But they're so strong and they're so big, And the

655
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Speaker 3: USDA says eight to twelve weeks is their window of opportunity.

656
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Speaker 3: So after that animal's twelve weeks, they're really not supposed

657
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Speaker 3: to be supposed to be exhibiting that animal, but they

658
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: do push that limit. But then they are continuously breeding

659
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Speaker 3: more to get more babies.

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Speaker 1: So they they say that twelve weeks as they say,

661
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Speaker 1: you're saying some of these people will push the limit,

662
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Speaker 1: but twelve weeks and then it's just so, where what

663
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Speaker 1: are these big cat are they the big cats that

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Speaker 1: are you know, full grown? They're not used for playtime?

665
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Speaker 1: You know, you see them being walked around on leashes?

666
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Speaker 1: Were these babies at one point? Do they just take

667
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: in too many babies for the playtime? Like why are

668
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Speaker 1: some of these big cats staying until they're grown and

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Speaker 1: older and being walked around on leashes? You know, I'm

670
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: trying to get the logic behind which none of us

671
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Speaker 1: are ever going to be able to figure that out.

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Speaker 3: But some of the ones that you're seeing walk around

673
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: on the leashes might look big, but they maybe are

674
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: only two years old, and as they get older, they'll

675
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: they they're they'll disappear. And there are some cats that

676
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: they do continue to work with, but they don't all work,

677
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Speaker 3: so you'll just see the ones that aren't workable disappear.

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Speaker 1: That is just the strangest business. It's disgusting completely, it's

679
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: it's soulless. We are going to cut to a short

680
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Speaker 1: break and we will be right back with Bobby Brink.

681
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: That's our short break. We are back with the Tiger Queen.

682
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Speaker 1: That's your that's your name. I feel like you should

683
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: have a show of interviewing you and like educating people.

684
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: This is this is what I was hoping I would

685
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: see when it came to Tiger King. They should rename

686
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Speaker 1: it Tiger Queen. With you and you educate all of

687
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Speaker 1: us because you look like someone that would also get

688
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Speaker 1: the job done. So I remember you saying that there's

689
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Speaker 1: no like number attached to these animals, so when they're born,

690
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Speaker 1: there's no record of them. How do we know how

691
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Speaker 1: many big cats are in the wild? Versus how many

692
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Speaker 1: big cats are in captivity in the United States.

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Speaker 3: So there's no there's honestly, there's no exact number. But

694
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Speaker 3: one thing we do know, there's more tigers in the

695
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Speaker 3: state of Texas than there are in the wild.

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Speaker 1: I just got checked.

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Speaker 3: And there's more big cats in Florida than any other

698
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Speaker 3: state in the United States. So those are two of

699
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: the key bad breeding, you know, breeding states that a

700
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Speaker 3: lot of this started Ohio too. Ohio used to have

701
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Speaker 3: all most of the bad exotic animal options, so there

702
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: were no laws in the state of Ohio and you

703
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: could go buy any animal that you wanted, poisonous reptiles

704
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: not even from this country, and carnivores, anything you wanted.

705
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: So that has changed with SB three ten. And actually

706
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: our sanctuary was the one that got the contract for

707
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: the state. We moved two hundred and fifty lions, tigers, bears,

708
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: cougars out of just the state of Ohio alone. That

709
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: the state compensated from these private owners and a lot

710
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: of people don't know the Amish will breed the exotics,

711
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: so they have those big beautiful barns there. Some of

712
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: them are puppy mills, and some of them breed exotics

713
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: to hold up and sell at least exotic animal auctions

714
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: or the catile actions. So luckily Ohio has really been

715
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: cleaned up by the state, but we still do have places,

716
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: you know, we call the wild Wild West where animals

717
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: are still allowed. It's still perfectly legal to own them

718
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: as a pet. Oklahoma is one of the places, you know,

719
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: where Joe was wheregw exotics Joe Exotic, and he got

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Speaker 3: away with it for years and years and years, and

721
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: you know, myself and everybody else was trying, but there's

722
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: just no laws to There were no laws in place

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Speaker 3: to protect the animals.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like since this documentary came out that

725
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: we are getting closer to laws being put in place

726
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Speaker 1: to protect these animals.

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Speaker 3: When it first came out, I was kind of thinking yes,

728
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Speaker 3: But like, here's a perfect example that I've been working on.

729
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: There's a man in Las Vegas right now trying to

730
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Speaker 3: open up a tent on the strip in a parking

731
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Speaker 3: lot with tigers, and he's showing him to the public

732
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Speaker 3: as living in his house, you know, as his family,

733
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: but he wants to start a magic show. So I

734
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Speaker 3: kind of feel like that's like where they get where

735
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: they want to be in the media or the drama,

736
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: like they want the drama to keep going, like they

737
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: want to be the next thing freedom Roy. I guess, like,

738
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Speaker 3: why would we put tigers in a parking lot.

739
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Speaker 1: Test that ended very badly? I don't know why you

740
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: would want to be that.

741
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Speaker 3: We're still working on that because I was just there

742
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 3: and at the community meeting and it was Winchester County.

743
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 3: They did say no, but it goes to Clark County now,

744
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: and we're not sure Clark County is going to say no.

745
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: You know, this should be a thing of the past.

746
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: Abusing animals like this and exploiting them should be the

747
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: thing of the past, especially in Vegas. Look what's happened

748
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: in Vegas firsthand?

749
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Speaker 1: Firsthand, I mean audience members were traumatized. Someone straight up

750
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: died because these are these are animals that obviously and

751
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: it sounds so like as the words come out of

752
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: my mouth, I can't even believe that I have to

753
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: say them. Animals like this belong in the wild in

754
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: their natural habitat. Like it just seems like you said,

755
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: it should be something that's in the past. Why are

756
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: we still exploiting animals we know they can turn and

757
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: on us because they're wild. I mean, it just is

758
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: horrific in any sense of the word. And I just

759
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: appreciate the work that you and your team do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So my next question is, obviously, because it's not cheap.

762
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Speaker 1: You said a tiger is like ten thousand dollars just

763
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: to feed a year, how do you bring money in

764
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: and how do you support because obviously you're not exploiting

765
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: the animals, which many sanctuaries quote unquote do to bring

766
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: in the funds. How do you bring in the funds

767
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: for these animals?

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Speaker 3: So we are five oh one C three. We have

769
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Speaker 3: nonprofit so donations. So we do a lot of digital

770
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: like social media, email, community outreach where we just set

771
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: up a table and talk about what we do. We

772
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 3: do different presentations for different groups. We have a group

773
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: visits out here, so you can come out Wednesday through

774
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: Saturday and they're at scheduled times so we can take

775
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: you around the sanctuary. We'll do behind the scenes. We

776
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: do fundraisers out here, weddings, anything that overnight. Matter of fact,

777
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm sitting in the retreat right now where you can

778
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: rent out to stay overnight right out here with the animals,

779
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 3: So we do things like that, you know, to raise

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Speaker 3: the funds to do our work. Right now, we desperately

781
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: need funds to build more habitats because we can't get

782
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: these places shut down without having places to let the

783
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: animals live out their life. And they're not cheat you know,

784
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: you can imagine, they're not cheap to build. So we're

785
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: constantly having a campaign to build the next habitat, and

786
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: we've just been building like one or two every year.

787
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Speaker 1: Wow.

788
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Speaker 3: And in the same breath out trying to fight for

789
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 3: their rights. So this can stop because as surplus animals,

790
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: we have to stop having surplus animals. They just it's funny.

791
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: When I first started working with these animals, I thought, oh,

792
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: it's okay, you know how they live. But I've been

793
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: doing this a long time now, and the more you

794
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: work around them, the more you know they don't belong

795
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: you can. They don't belong in a habitat or a cage.

796
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: They're a wild animal. And like you and I, we

797
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: can have the most beautiful house in the whole wide world,

798
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: we still want to go out. We still want to

799
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: venture out somewhere. So I'm sure it's the same for them.

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00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Like they're trapped in their habitat. They don't belong in captivity.

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Speaker 1: They just don't know they don't. And unfortunately, there's no

802
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: other option for them because if you were to throw

803
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: them into the wild where they belong, they just wouldn't

804
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: be able to survive. So, you know, I guess the

805
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: next best thing is having them go to a place

806
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: like yours, where you know at least they can live

807
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: out the rest of their life. It's just beyond heartbreaking.

808
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: I know that you said this was where you were

809
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: doing a zoom right now. So you have an area

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00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: where people can come and stay and be with the animals,

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00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: and how to people book that do? They just go

812
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: on to your website. I mean, it's so adorable, it's

813
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: so festive in there. I love it.

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00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: They just go right on the website and you can

815
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: book an overnight. You can book we call it a

816
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: member for a day and it's about a two hour

817
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: visit where the keepers and the train or the train

818
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: volunteers will take you around to each animal and they

819
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: kind of just tell you their story and the animals

820
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: that you kind of know the schedule and they know

821
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: the routine, so they'll always come up and when you

822
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: come out, you'll see that. And of course we'll feed

823
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: them through the fence, you know, just as a reward

824
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: or a treat, and a lot of times we'll give

825
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: them enrichment so they can play.

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Speaker 1: You know.

827
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Speaker 3: That's another thing. When you put them in captivity, it's

828
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: not like having a dog where you can leave them

829
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: at home with another dog all day. They need continuous

830
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: care and attention, so having the visitors come they do

831
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Speaker 3: enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I love that. And what is the website? And is

833
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: this where people can also donate? I just want people

834
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: to be able to find you guys.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's www Dot Lions Tigersanthayars dot org. It's dot

836
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: org and we're in San Diego Outpine, California. It's a

837
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: great place to come visit anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. It sounds like a dream

839
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: come true for me. I am so grateful that you

840
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: made time to do my podcast today, and I mean,

841
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: you really are just doing God's work for these animals,

842
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: So thank you for that as well.

843
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: Thank you because I think the one biggest problem here

844
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: is people don't know, and people can't help something they

845
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: don't know, So thank you for helping us.

846
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: Share anyway that I can help in the future. I

847
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: would like to get in contact with you and if

848
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: you need anything posted or literally anything and everything, please

849
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: hit me up because I would love to be involved.

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00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you Bobby.

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00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: I'll talk to bye bye