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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Do you guys? I do have Adam Scott here.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it out loud, just on the air,

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Speaker 1: because there's also the weird YouTube of it all about.

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Speaker 2: Right that you guys we did YouTube?

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Speaker 3: We do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys? No, because we don't film it.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting when I first came to iHeart, they didn't

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Speaker 1: film it, but I listened to the town and on

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Speaker 1: the town they said that video.

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Speaker 2: Is the new audios. So I was like, oh, it

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Speaker 2: really is got to catch up. I know. We just

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Speaker 2: we just didn't you know what. We put ours together

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Speaker 2: in such a hurry because we were it was like

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Speaker 2: the show was coming out in in January, and I

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Speaker 2: guess it was around November. Ben and I in particular

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Speaker 2: were worried about the people who watch Sees in one

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Speaker 2: coming back first because it had been three years.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, three three years, Oh my god. Also

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Speaker 1: it's so dense in plot. Yes, so we were we

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Speaker 1: didn't know if people would watch. All we wanted was

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Speaker 1: those who saw the first season and come back. And

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Speaker 1: so my wife Naomi was.

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Speaker 2: Like, you guys should do a podcast yes, and so

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Speaker 2: we did like a recap podcast of the first season

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Speaker 2: and then did it for season two. So it was

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Speaker 2: kind of in a hurry. So we as far as

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Speaker 2: video video and stuff, we just didn't have the wear it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't seem in a hurry. It seems very organized.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Well that's because Naomi was producing. Okay, and also.

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Speaker 2: Pineapple Studios is so great and they made it too,

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Speaker 2: got it? Got it well?

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Speaker 1: I love it because I also love the show Severance obviously,

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Speaker 1: but also I really really love Parks and rec So

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Speaker 1: when you're on Amy's podcast.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's where I talked about Yeah, which

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Speaker 2: really made my day. I was so excited. It was

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Speaker 2: so funny. That was great when you reached out, it

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Speaker 2: was a big deal. I'm so glad. It's adorable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, also, it was so funny because you know,

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Speaker 1: podcast she says, what's making you left these days? And

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Speaker 1: you said sex and the City and she was like, really,

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Speaker 1: was like, Amy, it's not that crazy, you know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, yeah, I think it. I think I also

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Speaker 2: presented it as a thing like I'm not gonna because

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Speaker 2: usually you talk about something that's that's like right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And Sex and the City is something that I watched

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Speaker 2: while it was on Okay, I rewatched it again during

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Speaker 2: the pandemic. Wow, And then when we recorded the podcast,

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Speaker 2: I was in the midst of another rewatch and irelanda

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Speaker 2: a show that I don't do. You want to talk

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Speaker 2: about it? I told it's so important, and I think

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Speaker 2: the importance of it really hit me the second time.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you're watching a show on a

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Speaker 2: But at this time I was really zeroing in on

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Speaker 1: I have a fourteen year old girl and I haven't

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Speaker 1: I mean it's really nice that you especially would feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, but right, right, but it's so interesting to watch. Like,

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Speaker 1: a lot, not not Warner Brothers or not even this

437
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: weird deserted Disney lot, but like you know, you go

438
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: sometimes to some weird places right that are desolate kind

439
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: of like.

440
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 2: Right, like local weird location, we'd locations.

441
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: And then when you go in and you go down

442
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: the elevator and you become your any I'm like, that's

443
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: like the hair and makeup trailer totally right. And then

444
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: you're like one person during the day, meaning you're character

445
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: at work, but also you're with a whole bunch of

446
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: different people.

447
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 2: But it's very intense.

448
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: And then some people, not you or I of course,

449
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: but some people have affairs on sheets. And then you

450
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: have to choose between.

451
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: Your world and the inside world, and which one's more powerful.

452
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: That's what I think about when I watch. But it

453
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: leaves out so many levels. Of course, the corporate world,

454
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: and you know, it leaves.

455
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Speaker 2: Out a lot. You know what I loved When I

456
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: was a kid, I was the one of the remember

457
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: when like the Looney Tunes cartoons would have it was

458
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: like bugs, bunny and stuff. But then they would also

459
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: have these like one offs, Yeah, like characters in the

460
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: bottle episode. It was like bottle episodes. But there were

461
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: or I guess it was a recurring thing. Every once

462
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 2: in a while, they would have a two animals. I

463
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: think it was like, uh, I don't know, for the

464
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: sake of argument, a coyote and a rabbit, right, and

465
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: they would walk to work together and chit chat, and

466
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: they were buddies. They would put their lunch in their

467
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: locker and they're chit chatting the whole time. They would

468
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: punch in and then they would chase each other all

469
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: day and they were enemies, like, yeah, it's just like

470
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: that fishing, you know, anvils on each other and stuff.

471
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: Oh my god, pictures amazing. And then at the end

472
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: of the day they would punch out and then they

473
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: would chit chat and walk home together. Love it. And

474
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: that was fascinating as a little kid. For whatever reason,

475
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: that struck a chord with me. And that's always what

476
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: I thought about with Severance too. It was like, it's

477
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: supposal like acting. It is like acting. You know, you

478
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: walk your and then you know, shoe guns of people.

479
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: That's why I liked it so much, is because it

480
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: felt like yeah, and I when I was a little kid,

481
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 2: I think I knew that I wanted to be in

482
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 2: movies or TV shows or whatever, and maybe that just

483
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Speaker 2: kind of fit in that sort.

484
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Speaker 1: I think it definitely does. I think it definitely does.

485
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: And I mean I know there's a lot more to Severance.

486
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say no, no, no, not right

487
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: right like that. Also, that's when you know something worked,

488
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: is when you can project your own totally things on it.

489
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Speaker 2: But it is it's like going and getting into your

490
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: wardrobe and hair and makeup, and then you're just in

491
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: this different world for twelve hours exactly.

492
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Speaker 1: The thing that also makes me think about it is

493
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: your hair, yes, because when you're an inny, that hair

494
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: is placed very specifically. Man, I mean, I'm like, how

495
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: much work goes into that A lot?

496
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: Take straight laugh. I can see it when I'm watching it.

497
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: But then you have the contrast of you being your

498
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: Audi and your hair's all a mess, which is adorable.

499
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: But also, does Judy Chin do your show? She did

500
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: in season two. Love Judy Chin so much.

501
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: She did our show for a very long time, and

502
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: I want to have her on the podcast, but we

503
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: can't play, right.

504
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: Isn't she just the best? And now has an Academy

505
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: Award sitting at home, which is incredible, incredible. We were

506
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: shooting the show, amazing, amazing.

507
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: She towards the end was flip flopping Sir Jessica and

508
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: I because Sir Jessica worked more hours than I did,

509
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: so and she'd already had a child, and also my

510
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: makeup artist, Nikki Liederman, had had a child, so everyone

511
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: was trying to not have to do Sarah all the time. Sure,

512
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: because they were trying to live through like their family life,

513
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: so they'd flip us back and forth. And they're both incredible.

514
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: But I think what they do is so amazing. It's

515
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: fun to talk to them.

516
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Yeah, and Judy. Judy is one of

517
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: those people who's just like, she did a beard on

518
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: me in season two, and beards are hard. It's her specialty. Yeah,

519
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: she did eyebrows on me when I have to be

520
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: a man. I just watched an episode this morning, Yes, Yes,

521
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: with you and Dominic Donovan Lee Donovan le Yes. It

522
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: just wasn't the smart That's funny, it's great, it's weird.

523
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean I just watched it like six months ago

524
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a weird one. It's

525
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: funny and weird. And that's I remember. That was a

526
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: big deal because Alanis Morissett is in that episode. That

527
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: was everywhere I know. But that was such a great

528
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: Charlotte moment too, because Charlotte really is like I said,

529
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: she really, she's constantly contradicting herself and breaking that mold.

530
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: That was was a great sort of general tool for

531
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: the show. But within the kind of guts of the show,

532
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: she is not that one thing at all, and it

533
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: is constantly surprising herself. Thank god, right, thank God.

534
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: That's why she's so fun. So when people say like,

535
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: are you tired of playing the same character over thirty years,

536
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, No, it's because it's she grows and

537
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: changes like everyone does.

538
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: But also when she I think the relationship with Kyle

539
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: McLaughlan is where she really grows. Like I feel like

540
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: she never would have been able to find Harry without

541
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: the relationship with Kyle.

542
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Most definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely, like that.

543
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: Is just kind of made her so much stronger to

544
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: really find the person she loves most definitely.

545
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: And I mean when I watched this episode that we're

546
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: going to talk about because obviously we have other things

547
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: to talk about that are really fun, but we will

548
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: talk about the episode when so would they Michael Patrick

549
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: would sit us down before every season. I don't know

550
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: if you guys do this. Did it on Parks and Record,

551
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: did it on Severance or whatever? I mean you probably

552
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: know the plan or whatever. You would sit each of

553
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: us down alone and say like, this is what I'm thinking, right,

554
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: this is your arc, right, these are the big picture things,

555
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: and you know then I knew, so, you know, early on,

556
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: Charlotte's very underwritten because she wasn't really so much in

557
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Kennis's book or column, like she was an amalgam of

558
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: different people basically. And Michael Patrick had said to me

559
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: when he I think him on the pod, he said,

560
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, when I got there, which was in season one,

561
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: Darren started the show. Of course, then he brought Michael

562
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Patrick in. Michael Patrick been a stand up, so he

563
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: knew comedy, which was super helpful. And he said he

564
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: I looked at this one and I knew what you write.

565
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: I knew it this one. And then I looked at

566
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: you and I was like, I don't know her, and I.

567
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Was like, I mean, neither did I. We were creating it.

568
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: Right, and I of course was doing all the actor

569
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: work in my head, you know what I'm trying to say,

570
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: and just trying to make more in myself.

571
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because thinking about the show and watching

572
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: it from the beginning, it seemed like you knew exactly

573
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: who that person was really at the start. Yeah, Oh

574
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: that's nice. I mean she definitely grew, but it it

575
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: felt very specific from the very good start. I tried

576
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: so hard, Yeah, I tried so hard.

577
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of it because in

578
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, when you look at it, it's really the

579
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: four of them together a lot, right, Like, it takes

580
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: a while for us to have decent storylines outside.

581
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: So I knew how to be.

582
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: I knew the note I was supposed to play in

583
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: the foursome, you know what I'm saying. That was like

584
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: my I felt very solid about that, right And of course,

585
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: because they were also distinct and unique, and each actor

586
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: was so specific and unique, and we were together twenty

587
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: four to seven. You know, it did a lot of

588
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: my work for me. But then I was trying to

589
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: fill out the back you know, the stuff that we

590
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: do in acting class years. Yeah, saying I was always

591
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: trying to do that.

592
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: But were you also at the time coming from melrose Place?

593
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: I never was. I didn't watch melrose Place. That's okay,

594
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: I would imagine it was. It was. It was a

595
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: completely different tone, completely different. So when you started Sex

596
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: and the City, were you like this this is you know?

597
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: Were you? Because it must have been just so much

598
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: the material was so much more interesting, Yeah, and there

599
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: was so much more for you to dig into, even

600
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: though it was kind of a limited real estate at first, Yeah,

601
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: were you just trying to not rock the boat and

602
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: just figure out, like you said, figure out what notes

603
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: to play within the foursome?

604
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there was not any not rocking the boat,

605
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: right because like we at the beginning, we did the

606
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: whole first thirteen well, we did the pilot. Then we

607
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: had to wait like a year. It seemed like forever.

608
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica tells me it wasn't that long, but I

609
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: felt like it was a year and a half for

610
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: them to pick us up because HBO was just starting, right,

611
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: they didn't really have anything, you know, they had Larry

612
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Sanders exactly, which was wonderful, which I got to be honest, well,

613
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: which was great, that's right, Yeah, yeah, great, great, Oh

614
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: my god, like us right, Garry, it was amazing. So

615
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: it was more like being like when I read that

616
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: script they sent it to me for Carrie because sar

617
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Jusca was in the mix, then got cold feet, and

618
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: I was right, I was like, I can't, couldn't possibly

619
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: because also she was written much more like Candice the

620
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: actual person, right, Like she smoked like non stop and

621
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: swore and a little bit more Samantha ish I guess

622
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't.

623
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: I can't pull that off.

624
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, I know myself well enough, right, But I

625
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: said to Darren, who I already knew from Melrose, I said,

626
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: I could play this other one.

627
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: I need this other one.

628
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think part of that was because I come

629
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: from the South, so I was surrounded by women who

630
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: were just dying to get married and very conventional and

631
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: you know whatnot even though I'm not personally so much that.

632
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: So I said, I need to be her?

633
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Please? Can I be her?

634
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: So then I still had to test and all that,

635
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and I still had to wait and all that, which

636
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: was great, And then there was some debate because at

637
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the time, first of all, for me, it was so

638
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: shockingly different from anything right to have four women, even

639
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: though Carrie was clearly the lead, there were four strong

640
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: women characters who were all different and like walking around

641
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Manhattan like that was like what, yeah, you know, I

642
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: was like, I need to do that, Like I'm not

643
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: that at all, but I want to play that, you know, those.

644
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Like you'd never like this was a brand new yes,

645
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: oh absolutely, and I wanted to be part of it.

646
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: And I thought it would be a tiny, little cult

647
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: type level like like Larry Sanders was at the time.

648
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: I think Larry's gotten Gary. Larry have gotten the respect

649
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: over time.

650
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: But it was niche. But at the time you didn't

651
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: even know it was possible for a show on premium

652
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: cable to resonate with the post.

653
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Speaker 1: No, we had no precedent, right, we had no precedent.

654
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: So for and I was totally fine with that. I

655
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: was like, let's be a niche show and just try

656
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: to keep it going, right. We were all in that together,

657
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that it was different, and

658
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: the fact that we were pushing the.

659
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: Limits and we didn't really know what we were.

660
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Speaker 1: And Darren would come down because Darren had come from

661
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: Network Network Network and wanted to change. But also we

662
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: HBO was very much uh was like hands off, like

663
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Speaker 1: they kind of let us find ourselves, you know. But

664
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Speaker 1: that was also slightly scary, right, So I remember sometimes

665
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: Darren would come down.

666
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: First scene exactly totally. He'd come down.

667
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: He'd be like, you guys, you guys, whenever you got

668
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: panics is the hands would come up.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be funny. Okay, you've got to be funny,

670
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Speaker 2: I know.

671
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: And we'd be like, uh, but the script is the

672
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: same as it was yesterday, like what we're not rewriting

673
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Speaker 1: like a sitcom, Like what what do you mean?

674
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Speaker 2: You know, and we'd just be like, okay, Darren try

675
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: to be well. He was getting pressure from.

676
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Someone said something right or he thought something or he

677
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: you know whatever based on yesterday's daily or whatever, right,

678
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: who knows. Then like the next week he'd come down,

679
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: he'd be like, you, guys, you have to.

680
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Be sexy, and I'd be like, okay, okay, like.

681
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: I have nothing on the on the page to be

682
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: sexy with the okay.

683
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: So it was a little bit like that, but also fun.

684
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Speaker 2: So it was Michael Patrick King not involved it all

685
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: at first, not at first.

686
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Not at first, like not the pilot. He came in

687
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Speaker 1: I think the first episode. I think he was for

688
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: a while it was him and Darren alone in the

689
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: writing room. Then they brought in Jenny Bicks.

690
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: That was their first femail like three people.

691
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then finally Cindy, which we're seeing Cindy's work

692
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: now third season shoot back exactly, and then like we

693
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: added women as we went basically, but it was just

694
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: the two of them the whole first season.

695
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: And it's like I know, it's amazing. It's amazing also visually,

696
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: like there's that episode where it's Carrie's birthday and no

697
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: one shows up at the rest of a mix up

698
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: and then she walks, she gets home and there's a

699
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: car there and the door opens and balloons pop out.

700
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Speaker 2: You don't even see Big. He probably wasn't even on

701
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: set for that shot just with the balloons, but we

702
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: know Big so well, Like you could watch that show

703
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: with the sound off and know exactly what's going on,

704
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: which is incredible.

705
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's incredible, And that's one of the things that's great

706
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: about rewatching it because at the time, back in the day,

707
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: first of all, we're working our asses off, right, like

708
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: it was all the time.

709
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so intense as you have like four

710
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: or five days to shoot episodes something like that. I mean,

711
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: it's hard to remember how fast we had to do.

712
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: But like, I know, this episode that we're going to

713
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: talk about eventually, it was the first episode of season three.

714
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: The first week of season three was one hundred hours Jesus,

715
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, like it was, it was a lot.

716
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: And on top of that, because yeah, yeah, I mean

717
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: you guys were you were on the ferry, you were.

718
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot to shoot dancing. Oh my godness,

719
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: I've ad forgotten how well we can talk about when

720
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: we talked about but yeah, I mean there's so much.

721
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot for twenty five minutes.

722
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's insane how much we could we could

723
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: pack in and they would give us.

724
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: It was more a budget.

725
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: For like a regular half hour, but because we had

726
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: to the way that they wrote everyone's storylines. Once we

727
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: get the vibe of that, we're all going to have

728
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: the different pieces of the theme right that she's writing about.

729
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: Once that started to click, which is third season, it's

730
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: really come together right then, you know, her voiceover will

731
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: say like and then uptown Charlotte, No, no, no, no, But

732
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: we don't have that budget, right, so like we would

733
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: cross cross purpose locations. You know, we remember them having

734
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: like the big league lights and like walking down the

735
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: street with them, like to the next corner where we'd

736
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: have you know, I mean, like crazy almost filmmaking, you know.

737
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because in order to pull off these stories, you

738
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: guys had to do that because the like you said,

739
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: season three, the aperture of the show just kind of

740
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: widens and you guys are taking it becomes kind of

741
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: this epic thing and by that point, you guys realize

742
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: you're representing women started right, right, but we is starting

743
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: to when the Alanismore said episode for instance, when that happened,

744
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: that was everywhere like this, Like you guys were were

745
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: settling in to being a phenomenon. Maybe it wasn't like

746
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: at It's like it wasn't full fledged yet. I don't remember,

747
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: but I remember.

748
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Three is when it became a big deal because season

749
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: three is when we got nominated for the Emmy, which

750
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: was like.

751
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: The shops for the first two No, and we never

752
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: thought we would. We never entered our mind. It never

753
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: entered my mind.

754
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: We used to joke that Darren and I would joke

755
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: we'd get a Cable Ace Award one.

756
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: Day, right right right? That was they still have the

757
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think they're gone. I think

758
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: they're going.

759
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think was great was just

760
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: going through that together, you know what I'm saying, Yeah.

761
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: And knowing that you started as this little thing, and

762
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: you must have constantly been looking at each other like

763
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: only we.

764
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Still do We still do sure because we still feel

765
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: the same, right.

766
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: Twenty seven years later? Yeah, and I a second series

767
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: two movies like it's yeah, it's.

768
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: Insane, right, But I think the thing that is sometimes

769
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: strange is that so we remember what it all felt like, right,

770
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: which is an amazing thing to share. But from the outside,

771
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: it seems like it was always meant to be this

772
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: big thing or like that we were handed stuff but no,

773
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: and that's why then when the show and just like

774
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: that ended and everyone's all shocked.

775
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Like, well, what do you mean, We're like, you, guys,

776
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: it's all hard. It is hard to make anything right.

777
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: It's so hard. Work hard or not, it's so hard.

778
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Adam, this is so much fun, and and we

779
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: could talk all of our industry stuff and all of

780
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: our shows forever. You guys, check back in with us.

781
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: We're going to be recapping where there's smoke later in

782
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: the week.

783
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Speaker 2: Okay, Bye,