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Speaker 1: Now, the Shotguns Starting golf is full of mathematics. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of setup work that we

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Speaker 1: have to do in order to make a tournament work.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to demonstrate to you just exactly how

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Speaker 1: we do a shotgun start here and there.

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Speaker 2: Are alright, alright, alright, dent do mans dark your greetings.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a Monday edition of The Shotgun Start. It

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Speaker 3: is April twelfth, Andy, how we doing, Brendan, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: doing wonderful?

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Speaker 2: What a uh, what a win? What a win for Japan?

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Speaker 2: Deci basiama. That was great, great masters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a fantastic Masters all around. I think

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Speaker 3: Sunday was sort of uh, all the moments never felt

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Speaker 3: boring to me. I was always engaged. I just you know,

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Speaker 3: in the relative universe of Master, Sunday was a little slow.

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Speaker 3: But I think it was made by the weekend. I

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't need to like kind of always

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Speaker 3: the major extrapolation of a major doesn't need to be

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Speaker 3: the last hour and a half, right for me, Like,

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Speaker 3: I will never forget Hideki from basically the rain delay

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Speaker 3: resumption that shot out of eleven U through the end,

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Speaker 3: like that was that was as good of golf as

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Speaker 3: you're going to see out Augusta National. I think what

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Speaker 3: he joined famous thirties on the back nines like Jack

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Speaker 3: obviously eighty six. I think Tiger when he went out

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Speaker 3: in forty came home in thirty, if that's it was

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Speaker 3: a pro like. I will always remember that, and that's

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Speaker 3: part of this entire like experience to me. And he

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Speaker 3: held on. I mean, you know with when Speed won

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Speaker 3: in fifteen, uh so I made I made a shitty

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Speaker 3: joke today about like five shots shots clear with nine

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Speaker 3: to play. It wasn't like I was hoping that Decky

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Speaker 3: was going to repeat that at all. I was just saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not over. Yeah, But this was actually

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Speaker 3: kind of close to twenty fifteen, when Speed did so

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Speaker 3: much of his work prior to Sunday. It got a

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Speaker 3: think he was just over the bunker and got up

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Speaker 3: and down for a miraculous save and Hedecki had that

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Speaker 3: kind of similar thing Saturday night, and so much of

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Speaker 3: the work was done before Sunday, and of course he

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Speaker 3: so fantastic weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I liken it to a great great

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Speaker 2: of the not every you know, every great event ends

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Speaker 2: right at the end, Hedeki Vatsiama. In total that that

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Speaker 2: And you know it started obviously obviously five, he made

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Speaker 2: he has an easy two putt on ten. You see

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Speaker 3: So it got did you ever feel like it wasn't his.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought the tournament was in balance when

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys went out and shot sixty seven today,

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Speaker 3: Where was that coming from. There was some sort of

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Speaker 3: I didn't understand the whole, the whole notion that he

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Speaker 3: You know, what does it say about the PGA Tour

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'll tell you I was so irritated this

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Speaker 2: thought Adam Schupak got a great quote from Adam Scott.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, Adam Scott's on

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Speaker 2: Hideki's popularity. He said, he's a bit like a tiger.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. I mean, yeah, I can't speak to that.

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Speaker 3: it it was a really cool finish. I loved seeing

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Speaker 3: him get emotional, like we know Hideki I was curious

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of and I've told

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Speaker 2: specifically in Japan, which is a absolutely golf craze county country,

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Speaker 2: I saw he tweeted something. He tweeted something. It was

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Speaker 2: It was about the size of America, the population and

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Speaker 2: it's just insane. Here we go golf courses US sixteen thousand,

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Speaker 3: And then of course, you know the most high profile moment,

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Speaker 3: maybe a lot of balls go in there. I just

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Speaker 3: think I love to talk about it a lot more

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Speaker 3: than it actually is a threat because I a lot

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Speaker 3: of times the ball just the ball hangs up and

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Speaker 3: settles back there behind the green.

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Speaker 2: But hey, you ready for the break. You need to

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Speaker 2: win a major. And we texted about it on early

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Speaker 2: Thursday morning. What's that? Well? I was. I remember Hideki

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Speaker 2: on thirteen had a ball that stayed up. He hit

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Speaker 2: it into the creek, but it stayed on the bank.

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Speaker 2: On Thursday morning, early Thursday morning, ball like hit it

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Speaker 2: short right, it stayed on the bank. Somehow, I've never

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Speaker 2: seen a ball stay where it stayed. It was like

447
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Speaker 2: in this weird little spot. And uh and you know, instead,

448
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Speaker 2: it's like, there's there's the tournament right there.

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Speaker 3: That's the break pat Red got coming down Sunday. His

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Speaker 3: soft kind of it almost damn near looked like it

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Speaker 3: embedded for whatever reason. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 3: that far, but yeah, that was that was kind of

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Speaker 3: what got Patrick reed his green jacket.

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Speaker 2: He literally texted about it on Thursday morning because I

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Speaker 2: was going through, Yeah, I was going through the every

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Speaker 2: shot because I was just like going through, Ohdecki's at

457
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Speaker 2: three under, you know, how do you get there? And

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Speaker 2: I was just going through all of him and I

459
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Speaker 2: was like, holy shit, I can't believe that stayed up.

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Speaker 2: But uh, but yeah, these are the crazy little things

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Speaker 2: make that win major championships. What do you got going

462
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Speaker 2: on out there?

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Speaker 3: I think big lightning, big thunder and lightning. My Internet's

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Speaker 3: gonna get even worse here in a second, that was

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Speaker 3: that was loud. All right, let's uh, do you have

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Speaker 3: anything else on? Hideki? We can wrap it up, but

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Speaker 3: I do want to make a larger point. You have

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Speaker 3: anything else his play?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We got this morning. It's pretty cool. We got an email.

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Speaker 3: We talked about just our enthusiasm last night Saturday Night

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Speaker 3: Show after watching that lightning struck within zero miles of

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Speaker 3: your current location. So just just pray for me here.

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Speaker 3: We're actually doing the video the one time. You know

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Speaker 3: the lightning's coming down.

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Speaker 2: Look at this, Look at this. You know you're you're

477
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Speaker 2: playing under intense situation there. You know you're probably gripping

478
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Speaker 2: your edge of your seat.

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Speaker 3: Struck within zero miles. That came out of nowhere. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we were talking about the enthusiasm of Saturday night

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Speaker 3: and how electric that was, and I think that will

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Speaker 3: be my lasting memory of this entire championship, how exciting

483
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Speaker 3: that was. And we had an emailer this morning talk

484
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Speaker 3: about what the meaning of seeing Hideki win would be.

485
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Speaker 3: I'll let him or her remain anonymous, says as an

486
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Speaker 3: Asian American who has witness and experienced a lot of

487
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Speaker 3: casual racism on golf courses over the years, and in

488
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Speaker 3: light of the recent events in Atlanta and elsewhere in

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Speaker 3: the US, two Asian faces winning at Augusta in the

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Speaker 3: last two weeks would mean something. It's not Jackie Robinson

491
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Speaker 3: or Luca Spireguard, you know he's a listener with that reference,

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Speaker 3: but it meant something seeing Subasa's tears just off eighteenth Green,

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Speaker 3: and it would mean something seeing Hideki put on a

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Speaker 3: green jacket. Mark how winning the PGA was great in

495
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Speaker 3: its own way, but there's an otherness to Hideki because

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Speaker 3: he was born in Japan and doesn't speak fluent English,

497
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Speaker 3: and otherness that a lot of Asians have experienced on

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Speaker 3: golf courses in America. Golf has been a source of

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Speaker 3: so much joy for me, but sadly is also where

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Speaker 3: I've had the most stark reminders of how other I

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Speaker 3: am for many simply by existing as an Asian on

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Speaker 3: the course. Hideki sitting in Butler cabin with this translator

503
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Speaker 3: wouldn't change the world overnight, but at the very least,

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Speaker 3: it would show that golf should be for everyone, of

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Speaker 3: all faces and languages. Maybe we don't know Hideki's language,

506
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: but the language of hitting a pure flesh iron that

507
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Speaker 3: is universal. So this means a lot to a lot

508
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Speaker 3: of people, Americans, Asians, Asian Americans all around the world.

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Speaker 3: Like just these images, certainly of Subasa Kajitani now more

510
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: than a week ago, and Haideki winning kind of in

511
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Speaker 3: what is it the most famous scene in golf? That

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Speaker 3: Butler cabin, the green jacket ceremony, that that travels. I

513
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: think the Europress is gonna get worked up. But Clara Joger,

514
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Speaker 3: I hate rating more famous, more prestigious. I hate doing that,

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Speaker 3: but that that has a very global reach. All right, fantastic,

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Speaker 3: fantastic from Adeki. You want to do an adre before

517
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Speaker 3: we get going into some of the others. Yeah, short,

518
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Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna do an adri for Golf Blueprint

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Speaker 3: come into sponsor us friends of the program. The founders,

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Speaker 3: Kevin Moore, Nico Daris Darris. I know I always mix

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Speaker 3: that up. Kevin Moore is a PhD. He's a professor

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Speaker 3: at U UGA. I had someone get at me today

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Speaker 3: that demanded an apology that I was. I wasn't even

524
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Speaker 3: mad that they always have to talk about how a

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Speaker 3: player went to UGA, like it's like no other college.

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Speaker 3: Every time it's like the Brian Harmon the bulldog out

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Speaker 3: of UGA, or like it's just I wasn't mad. I'm

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Speaker 3: just it was just an observation. I'm not critiquing UGA.

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Speaker 3: I don't dislike UGA, but we're on the subject because

530
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Speaker 3: sounds like.

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Speaker 2: You just hate Georgia and South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: And the USC the fake US. Anyways, Kevin Bore is

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Speaker 3: a PhD. There, they've created golf Blueprint, which is it's

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Speaker 3: golf blueprint dot Com. Just by the way there.

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Speaker 2: It's a bulldog doing great things in golf.

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Speaker 3: He's a lot smarter than us. He's also a former

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Speaker 3: division on Golfer. Nico's a professional golfer. So they've created

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Speaker 3: like structured practice routines for you, right, and they also

539
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Speaker 3: have a community where you have games against each other.

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Speaker 3: My biggest complain to somebody who's dad of four and

541
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Speaker 3: just working there's not a lot of time, is like,

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Speaker 3: mostly when I get to hit golf balls, it's rarely

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Speaker 3: playing golf. A lot of times it's at the range.

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Speaker 3: And I will go to the range. You're just kind

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Speaker 3: of like, I'm around with like a chicken on the

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Speaker 3: head cut off, right, I'm just like, oh, I'll hit

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Speaker 3: some wedges. I'll hit like a few seven irons. Well

548
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Speaker 3: why do I mess around with the driver? And then

549
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: I go home and it's like, what did I just do?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is structured. It gives you hit

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Speaker 3: this kind of shot. Try this, like to get most

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Speaker 3: efficient time, most efficient practice out of your sixty minutes.

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Speaker 3: They have thirty minutes sixty minute plans. Indoor outdoor. I

554
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: think we're all into outdoor season by now, hopefully, but

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Speaker 3: it's just a way I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can say that about the prepare

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Speaker 2: of the country. You know, people that deal with real

558
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Speaker 2: winter aren't necessarily out of the Woods.

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Speaker 3: Yet I suppose I suppose again.

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Speaker 2: You know, just acting like you can relate to the

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Speaker 2: rest of the country.

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Speaker 3: I would analogize it to a lot of these these

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Speaker 3: like fis iness apps on your phone where you can

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Speaker 3: get like, all right, don't just sit around like an

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Speaker 3: idiot doing pushups for twenty minutes off on. This is

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Speaker 3: like an eight minute workout that will do it just

567
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Speaker 3: as much and hit more muscles. This is kind of

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Speaker 3: like that. It is practicing with a purpose so that

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Speaker 3: when you actually do get to play, you've used your

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Speaker 3: time wisely and you've gotten better. And it's golfblueprint dot com.

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Speaker 3: What are they fifteen percent off promotion, the six month

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Speaker 3: you have anything else you want to ask?

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say I might go to the

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Speaker 2: range this week. I know Will Knights is going to

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Speaker 2: the range. I'm sure he's got one of these cards

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Speaker 2: pulled out there. There are sessions I'll have you know

578
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Speaker 2: as if you're a fan of this podcast, and nicknames there.

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Speaker 2: They're little like practice cards have really unique names too.

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Speaker 2: They got like little John the Paven hitting bombs, cold Brew,

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Speaker 2: you know, just just fun little you know names, so

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Speaker 2: they may they make practicing fun and structured like so

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Speaker 2: you actually get stuff out of it, right right.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's the most efficient way if you

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Speaker 3: do want to try to get better or practice with

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Speaker 3: a purpose, understand where you're deficient. This is the way

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Friends of the program, diehard golfers, golf tragics support them.

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Speaker 3: Now's the time, April. You want to start getting better,

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Speaker 3: be ready to rock and roll, get better as summer

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Speaker 3: months hit. Uh, this is the time to jump in.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, move on, We've we've covered Hideki

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Speaker 3: pretty well. Who do you want to go to? X man? Xalatoris?

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Speaker 3: Why do you talk about Xalatoris? You wrote an article

597
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: you all worked up about it?

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Speaker 2: He is?

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Speaker 3: Was he solo second or did they finish solo seconds?

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Speaker 2: Clear? He's he finished six of the US Open, second

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Speaker 2: at the Masters. He would he's now crewed enough points

602
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Speaker 2: to be in the top fifteen of the FedEx Cup

603
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Speaker 2: since he in fifteen starts or sixteen starts now ninth.

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Speaker 3: I thought he'd be night.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I don't know exactly the number. I

606
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Speaker 2: haven't done the calculation yet, but I know that's why

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Speaker 2: I said the top fifteen. This is a budding young

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Speaker 2: superstar who this tournament is the grandest stage. I have

609
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of yo yo buddies that don't play a

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Speaker 2: lot of golf, that don't watch any golf. Really, who

611
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Speaker 2: are texting I'm my college text thread about golf and

612
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: they're texting about Xala Taurus. You know these guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're just they're texting the happy gilboard stuff with the caddy.

614
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Speaker 2: They're they're talking about how good he is, and like

615
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: the guy's not a PGA tour. Remember, it's insane. This

616
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Speaker 2: is utterly ridiculous. The premise of my article started with

617
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Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, Mike Trout got called up from the

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Speaker 2: minor leagues mid season. He then went on to be

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Speaker 2: the best player on the Anaheim Angels. He won the

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Speaker 2: He was the unanimous rookie of the Year. The Angels

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Speaker 2: missed the playoffs. They had they won eighty nine games,

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Speaker 2: They almost made the playoffs, but they missed. Had They

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Speaker 2: made like think about if they made the playoffs, and

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Speaker 2: they said, you know what, you're not allowed to play

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs because he didn't start the season on

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Speaker 2: the active roster. Like, it's just nuts. He has to

627
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Speaker 2: win to make the FedEx Cup playoffs. I mean, if, if,

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Speaker 2: this might be the biggest evidence that the FedEx Cup

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Speaker 2: Playoffs is the biggest farce in all of sports, right,

630
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Speaker 2: but it's ridiculous. He has to get the hell he

631
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Speaker 2: has to get a sponsor's exemption to play in any event.

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Speaker 3: Well, does he get the top ten exemption in the

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Speaker 3: Harbor Town.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he does. I'm sure he does. He could

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Speaker 2: get unlimited sponsors exemptions, but one event could be like, no,

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Speaker 2: we don't want to invite him, so he can't get in.

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Speaker 2: Like he's he he's legitimately. I haven't seen any Ryder

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Speaker 2: Cup projector projections, but he's in the Ryder Cup race.

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Speaker 3: He'd be perfect. He'd be somebody in new Blood you'd

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Speaker 3: want to get in there. Provided any something anything approximating

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Speaker 3: this for I mean, it's hard to keep it up,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, he would be someone you'd want on the team.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that I was really impressed with was

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Speaker 2: how well spoken he was. Like the interviews, he was outstanding.

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Speaker 2: He spoke like a like a veteran like it was.

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Speaker 2: He was candid, he was he was extremely well spoken.

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Speaker 2: He speaks better than I speak, and I speak all

648
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Speaker 2: the time. And he just I mean he's got like

649
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: he's got a magnetism about him, like you know he

650
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: I think that's like the thing. He's extremely likable.

651
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: He did have some some absolute like kind of howartzers

652
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: of a quote as the writer here, it's like stuff

653
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: you want to hear is like, you know, I was

654
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: stupid enough to think like I could play here, like

655
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 3: I'm not like, of course, like I'm fine. I'm not

656
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: gonna be scared to think I can't like contend or

657
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: can't play well just because I'm near the top of

658
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: the leaderboard. Now, he had some I did like his

659
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 3: perspective and attitude for sure.

660
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: I mean in a game, the game was awesome. I

661
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: mean he was that. He was sensational and there was

662
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: no he's in these moments where you expect people to regress,

663
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: like you you know, you're always sitting on Friday. We

664
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: do it every major Friday Saturday contender pretender like and

665
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: and usually people in that situation that he's in, it

666
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: is like an auto pretender and you see them do

667
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: do the burnveitzerger slide. You know, Polly called it finished

668
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 2: t fortieth like unbelievable, you know. And and I think

669
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: like Xalatorus, like you never felt like he was a

670
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: fluke because of the quality of golf shots, like the

671
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: shot he hit on on ten yesterday, that off that

672
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: downhill hangar lie, like a downhill hook lie that you're

673
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: gonna hit a low hook off of he hits a

674
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: towering high fade like it. Just like the quality of

675
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: golf shots were just out of this world. The putter

676
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: let him down a little or else. I mean, if

677
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: the putter doesn't let him down on the back nine,

678
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: we might be talking about will zal Torris winning this tournament?

679
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: Should we talk about the arm lock on that putter

680
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: though we don't need it down on my guess for that,

681
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: But that's an aggressive armlock up.

682
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that rules, Like I don't

683
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: think the USGA has changing that role. Like I think

684
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: they're going after the ball and the driver head, you know,

685
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: maybe in this thing, but I don't think they're going

686
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: to be going after putters. And if they don't go

687
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: after putter, like that's the thing he wouldn't be until

688
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: he found that our block. He was not going to

689
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: be a tour player because he I mean, he's the

690
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: thing about will zal Tors, he's really struggled with putting

691
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: lighton college, you know, all the way through many tour ranks.

692
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: That's why you haven't seen him until he's twenty four.

693
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: The other thing I saw people comparing like xal Torres

694
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: rookie as it to Speth in his first start at Augusta.

695
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: And that's not fair to Jordan Speed because Jordan Speith

696
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: was nineteen and zal Tors is twenty four.

697
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, right, yeah right, just because of the

698
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: runner up. Is that what they're saying? Okay, all right,

699
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: so you called him a buddied superstar. That's like a

700
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: label that's fraught with sort of peril in minefields. It's

701
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: easy to say, like, why do you think that's different?

702
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: Why do you why do you say that? Why do

703
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: you think that? Why does he differentiate himself from I mean,

704
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: is he is? He he's in that.

705
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Class of ball striker like the right but I think, yeah,

706
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: they played on the same Walker Cup team. He uh,

707
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: he hits it so good that he could be a

708
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: guy that doesn't maybe win that much, he could be

709
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: you know, I think when you look at him, you

710
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: look at his floor, is Tommy Fleetwood, you look at

711
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: his ceiling, what he could become, you know, if he

712
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: puts well, if he can figure out how to be

713
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: a somewhat plus putter, Sky's the limit.

714
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, it seems like he should should be on

715
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup team. You're right, it's just or at

716
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: least a candidate for it. I don't want to reduce

717
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: his story to the whole non member thing, but it's

718
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: like a major bart Is certainly in this podcast. We've

719
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: been shouting about it for like a year now, a

720
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: long time.

721
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: But this is the other thing to learn from this

722
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: is that there's like five probably maybe not exactly will

723
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: Salad Taurus, but there's kids like Davis Riley, who are

724
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, have been down there for two years. They're

725
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: ready to come up. It's not like this isn't one

726
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: they just needs. As soon as soon as you earn

727
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: temporary status, which is what he has now, he has

728
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: temporary special status on tour. As soon as you earn that,

729
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: you should be earning FedEx Cup points. We went through

730
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: this with Hoveland and Morikawa and Wolf, Like Morikawa and

731
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: Wolf won, but Hoveland didn't, and Havlin did get the points.

732
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: You know, he gets he becomes a special temporary member,

733
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: but he doesn't get the points from when he played

734
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: as an amateur in the same year. It's just like

735
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: what's going on, guys, Like you know, like the system

736
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: needs to update, Like we live in twenty twenty one.

737
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: You can have a system that like, okay, once you're

738
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: like a top eighty player in the world, you're playing

739
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour, like we know that. Like once

740
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: you've performed a certain level on the on the corn

741
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: Ferry Tour, like you've guaranteed your card, Like we need

742
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: to be getting JJ Henry out of tournaments. And Carlos Franco.

743
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: I love carl I love when Carlos Franco plays like

744
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: it's great content. But but like this guy's he's we

745
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: need more of Davis Riley, We need more of will

746
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: Z l Torus. These guys that have clearly earned and

747
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: are twenty four years old, and you know, the game's

748
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: getting younger. The tour needs to embrace the game getting

749
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: younger by creating a system that gets the younger players

750
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: up there faster because this is what they're they're they're

751
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: possible of and you've got a you've got a household superstar.

752
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: This unless he wins, isn't playing in your playoffs. Like

753
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: there's you just had the ultimate commercial for Will's Ala

754
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Taurus and like say some casual fan tunes back into

755
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs, like Hey, I wonder what's going on, Like

756
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: that's the stuff that happens with these casuals offen. I

757
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: wonder what's happening with that kid? What was his name

758
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: is Ela Taurus?

759
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: You know?

760
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Oh, he's not in the playoffs. He must use a

761
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: flu cause once one, you know. I I just it's just.

762
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: Really exposing the rigid orthodoxy of this system. And he

763
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: is like making a mockery of it himself because he

764
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: talks about how like I could finish T two or

765
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: I could finish second in every single event from now

766
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: until I guess the Greensboro and I can't and I

767
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: don't get my card and I can't play in the

768
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: playoffs like he is just that's some I don't know.

769
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just kind of have to have a common

770
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 3: sense application to certain things. And I think this would

771
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: be one of them. There's just a too rigidity.

772
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: With the system is created by the members. This is

773
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: where what we talk about all the time, there's no counterbalance.

774
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: Like as much as people hate the NFL owners, like,

775
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: the NFL owners for the most part, have the fans

776
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: in there for their That's who they care about, like

777
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: because if the fans are happy, they're gonna make more money.

778
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: So like they they keep the players. You know, there's

779
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: a balance there with this is it's a system set

780
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: up to reward your pals. Like, Hey, you know, ZJ.

781
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: I know you've been on tour for twenty years. I

782
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: don't want you to have to go bounce around the

783
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: corn Ferry tour. You're you know, so we're gonna create

784
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: this system that makes it almost impossible for you to

785
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: lose your card once you've been there, you know. I mean,

786
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It is it's bullshit, it's you know.

787
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: I use this analogy in the article as well as

788
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: like imagine tennis, if the fiftieth ranked player in the

789
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: world wasn't in Wimbledon like that, it would they'd be like,

790
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: what what's going on? Like in those fiftieth ranked players

791
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: like sometimes upset the fifth rank player in a second

792
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: round match, you know, like that's this stuff that happens,

793
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: and in the playoffs, like you don't have who a

794
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: guy that's now in the top fifteen of your FedEx

795
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: Cup standings in terms of the VETSI played, You're not

796
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: going to have him in your playoffs. That'd be like saying, hey,

797
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: you know what, Denver, we know your baby. I don't

798
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: know the exact standings. Denver, we know you're the fourth

799
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: seed in the Western Conference, but this year you're not in.

800
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: You're not in the playoffs. You know, like there should

801
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: be an asterisk.

802
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

803
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: Uh.

804
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: Doubling back to Hideki real quick, I will say, hey,

805
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: did you like when they were kind of looping in

806
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: the Japanese calls or broadcasts? It's great, added a little

807
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: bit to it, I heard. I heard kind of mixed

808
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: reviews of that, but I thought that was super cooch.

809
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: Oh one thing I wanted to talk about. I saw

810
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk mad that Hideki wasn't speaking

811
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: English in the in the interviews because he's lived here

812
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: for ten years. I just saw this on the internet

813
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I listen, that's a terrible place,

814
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, like okay, like I'll put

815
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: you in Japan and you've got ten years and then

816
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna be on national TV and you have to answer,

817
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: like get the fuck out.

818
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 3: We're on that. While we're on that, I guess someone

819
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: asked Hadecki about Bob Turner and it's kind of like awkward,

820
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: Like right, you got to ask him about himself and

821
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: then translate it back and like Bob's quoted because Bob

822
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: is a trustworthy friend, which has to be kind of

823
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: weird when you're saying that about yourself, but it's not

824
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: technically your quote. But lastly, not xalatoris this is what

825
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: to get back at, like, oh this is slow to hey,

826
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: boring masters, isn't this what we want? Like is it

827
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: with Xalatorus's game scenems set up to be doing well

828
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: there for a long time, Like we had two of

829
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: the premiere elite ball strikers in the world at this moment,

830
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: and maybe it was Zara and Xander and Xander like

831
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: trading not trading punches, but going make going for a

832
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: green jacket. I Like it wasn't these some some no

833
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: name outside of the top fifty in the world or anything.

834
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: Like that. I didn't think it was. I think this

835
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: is exactly what you want from a master's two players,

836
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: three players with those kind of skills and going for

837
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: a green jacket. I don't know, like you just you

838
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: don't need you don't need tiger or speek like winning

839
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: every time or or you know, making shooting thirty to

840
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: get in contention for it to be a good Masters.

841
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: I just I thought that's kind of what you want

842
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: from from Augustine and augusta national setup or tournament.

843
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: And I think, like the other thing about it is

844
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: the tournament was you know, just from for a purest standpoint,

845
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: it was so evidently clear if you had holes in

846
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: your game, you would be exposed by the golf course.

847
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: Sure, yep, yep. All right, let's we've referenced him Xander

848
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 3: x Man. Uh, where do you come down on x Man?

849
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: With that?

850
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: I was his eighth, the eighth, top ten and fifteen tries.

851
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 3: You like to put words in my mouth and say

852
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: like I once called him overrated. I just said, like

853
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: the sort of hipsterdomb around him, like made him a

854
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: little nothing. Xander, I'm talking.

855
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: I walked, I walked you and smartened down an alley

856
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: a few.

857
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. It was this kind of black and

858
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: white world. I had to say he was overrated or underrated.

859
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 3: I just said, like, we all know he's good.

860
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: That acock.

861
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: Is that what it was?

862
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: I think I think it was shittacock.

863
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, brutal, But he's kind of a bridesmaid deal

864
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: going on right now. Never the bride.

865
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: That shot on on sixteen was bad, seems inexcusable. I mean,

866
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: he flashed it.

867
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: It's hard because he washed it. He was ten yards short.

868
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Dotty tried to say there

869
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: was wind that came up.

870
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: I just.

871
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: And then he didn't exactly do well after that either.

872
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: I can't recall sixteen. I can't recall seeing that on

873
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: sixteen sort of on a Sunday, do you just because

874
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: of the where that pin is, I just I don't remember.

875
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: You know, we see the famous Corey pathon you know,

876
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: duck into the wounded duck into the water there in

877
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: eighty six, I think it was, but I just don't

878
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: remember seeing too many water balls there on a Sunday,

879
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: And this was after it got to two. He made

880
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: he should have damn near chipped in for eagle on fifteen.

881
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: But are we gonna do like the psychoanalysis of like

882
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: he can't get it done hot take thing or where.

883
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: He racks up a lot of close calls without winning.

884
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: It's not just a majors thing.

885
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he likes those thirty man fields at Eastlake, likes

886
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: the WGC fields. I don't know, he's an incredible player.

887
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: The thing I also think about Xander all the time

888
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: was about him is he wasn't your JT's or your speace.

889
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: He's the guy that kind of developed a little bit later.

890
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: He wasn't supposed to be the great player, like he

891
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: was a great player in college. Like he wasn't. I'm

892
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: not saying he wasn't a great player, but he was

893
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: not the sure bet superstar. I mean he barely got

894
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: his card. He was one of the last guys to

895
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: get his card via the web dot com Tours.

896
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

897
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: I think he finished twenty six in the regular season

898
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: and then he got in on the playoffs. You know,

899
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: he got into his His first major moment as a

900
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: professional golfer was he local qualified into the US Open

901
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: at uh at Aaron Hills. I remember I was out there,

902
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: I watched I followed him. He played with a camera

903
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: CHAMPI and Trey mull Ax in the first two rounds.

904
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: I followed that group, and you know it. He is

905
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: a guy that's earned everything. So I just have a

906
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: hard time condemning the guy because he's just been a

907
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: factor in so many major championships. And that the shot

908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: on sixteen, he got a bad number. How many times

909
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: have we seen guys hit it ten yards over there too?

910
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: I guess, I don't.

911
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: I guess I remember listening to Bones on No Laying

912
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 2: Up talk about how they how Phil hit it over

913
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: one year. They learned to throttle down because of adrenaline.

914
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: And I think, like you make four birdies all of

915
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're completely out of it to in it

916
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: and you gotta be you got to feel in that

917
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: moment like so, I couldn't even imagine what the feel

918
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 2: was there. And I wonder if he throttled down one

919
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: club thinking that that adrenaline was going to carry the

920
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: ball ten yards.

921
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: Admirable fight back too, because a lot of people threw

922
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: him off. That threw him out of the tournament. Five.

923
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: I don't I almost gave him. I almost gave him

924
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: the ump, the ump projection on five. That's like my

925
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: favorite gift in the world is the ump throwing the

926
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: guy out.

927
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: Because I mean he went I mean two down with

928
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: three to play is not out of it. He got

929
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: to that point.

930
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look where had Deki hit the ball?

931
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: I granted, like it's a situational golf and in Deki

932
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 2: probably is a little bit more aggressive if Xander puts

933
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: it in there, but like it makes part it's a

934
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: one shot leave. You know, It's like it's just a

935
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: it's a it's a crazy you can't play the golf

936
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: this way, Like it doesn't work this way because like

937
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: Hadki was there, watched to go in the water, but

938
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: he puts one in there to ten feet and who

939
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: knows what happens.

940
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: You know what, though I think I think I love

941
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: I am dubious about the and closing ability and who

942
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: he is when in the heat of the moment, I

943
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: think I love him. Though as a person, he seems

944
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: to have a little spice to him now, like he's

945
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: established himself as one of the premiere players and certainly

946
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: premiere American players, like didn't you go at Reed in

947
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: San Diego? Even in the media center this week, He's

948
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: talking about guys he like pissed their shots away. He's

949
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: like it just kind of he has a little edge

950
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: to him. Once he gets going, he kind of speaks out.

951
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: And he of course made the whole ct test into

952
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: a story by getting riled up. He went public with

953
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: it and he talked about how Bryson played the USGA

954
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: played into Bryson's hands and made wing foot of pitching

955
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: plot Like, He's got some takes in there that I

956
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: think he might if you actually pay attention, he might

957
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: be like a really fun sort of personality to follow

958
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: and have some real interesting opinions on the game. He's

959
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: not a dial tone if you're actually paying attention.

960
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think it goes back to like his upbringing,

961
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't guaranteed millions, he didn't have the big

962
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: equipment deal, big sponsorship deal right off the bat, like

963
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: he earned it. And I think that's the thing, when

964
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: you have to go get it, it gives you layers.

965
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things that we'll

966
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: look back on will Zlatrus and this whole thing is

967
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: that he's he's had some injustice. Maybe you know, you

968
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: could say, well, the rules are the rules, but like

969
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: this is stupid, but like you know, he's gone through

970
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: stuff because of the system. And I think Xander was

971
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: one that like listen, like that, if he doesn't bind it,

972
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: we'll qualify into that master or not Monday, a local

973
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: qualify into that US open. Who knows if he makes it.

974
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, anything else on Xander, we got there.

975
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: We covered him pretty well.

976
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: You talked about throwing away shots, people pissing away shots

977
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: with Xander, and I thought the natural segue would have

978
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: been if I had just kicked it to Speed there.

979
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely seemed like everybody was not everybody, I should say,

980
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: like there was a prevailing notion out there that Speed

981
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: needed to make a charge for this to be an

982
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: interesting Sunday, which isn't really fair to hideki.

983
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: Or or or aware of what's going on globally.

984
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 3: He never, I would say, he you know, he started

985
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: with the bogey bogie five and six, and I think

986
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: that was about it. Like someone was Faldo said like he, oh,

987
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: he shoots thirty, that's ten under. I think he said

988
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: that on ten, like he shoots thirty, that's ten under

989
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 3: where he's right there. Of course, I guess ten would

990
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: have been enough for a playoff, But I loved watching him.

991
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: And nine is a shot that nine is a birdie

992
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: that I won't forget. I mean, that was pure speed.

993
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: He drives through the fairway to the pine straw somehow

994
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 3: like just just controls it to the right shelf and

995
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: then makes makes the putt. And of course ten was

996
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: more of the actual approach was fabulous.

997
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: That was more of.

998
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: A plain old birdie Tita Green. But nine and ten

999
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: that was fabulous golf. But of course, and that was

1000
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: kind of indicative of sort of the Teddy Green game

1001
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: you had all week, right, and this is a fairly

1002
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: he gets back and play. He just couldn't punt for shit.

1003
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he did like stuff that you have to

1004
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: do at Augusta. You know, the first round he played

1005
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: the par fives four under. The second round he played

1006
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: them three under. The third round he played them three under.

1007
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: Today he played them three under. Like he devoured the

1008
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: par fives. Now, what he did what you can't do

1009
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: and win a Green jacket, as we've seen time after

1010
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: time after time, is make triples and doubles. And he

1011
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: made one of each. And you take those triples and

1012
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: doubles and you turn them into bogies and he's he's

1013
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: in a.

1014
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: Playoff the double on seven, right, the triple on Saturday,

1015
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: and then the triple obviously on nine nine.

1016
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: First round. Yeah, so bogie if you if those are

1017
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: each bogies, which you know, niney just chips out and

1018
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: he's got a really good chance at making par and

1019
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: uh seven if he you know, that was just a

1020
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: he caught a flyer, like you know, we saw Xander

1021
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: kind of really bad flyer today. Too short, rough for

1022
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: the win. None of this long stuff, short stuff is

1023
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: what gets these guys missing into bad spot. No, I

1024
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: don't I think I don't. I I happen to kind

1025
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: of know that the the USBA deeply believes in their thick, gruff,

1026
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: narrow fairway set up, and we'll probably see thick boy play. Well.

1027
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: I don't have any speech take I want to talk

1028
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: about thick boy, Like, I mean, what again? This is

1029
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: similar to the Xalatorus thing, Like, I think it says

1030
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: a lot more about the PGA Tour and maybe the

1031
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: other championships. I was listening to Colton was talking about

1032
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 3: the Greens reading books today. I think he was on

1033
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: five D Shambo, Like maybe this is how it should

1034
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: be right. I mean, this is how golf should be. Like,

1035
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: I think it says a lot about how golf is

1036
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: everywhere else. When he comes here and it's like, you know,

1037
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: trying to read hieroglyphics or a new language. I think

1038
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: that kind of more of an indictment on on the

1039
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: other stuff going. And this is not to say like

1040
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: Bryson he had to have read greens with his eyes

1041
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: at some point he had like you don't have Greens books.

1042
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: I would imagine like when.

1043
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: He talked about it in the run up and Junior

1044
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: Golf was the last time he said he talked about it,

1045
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: He's like, good, it's a challenge this week. I gotta

1046
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: i gotta read puns with my eyes. I'm up for

1047
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: the challenge. And uh, haven't done it since junior Golf.

1048
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: I only do it here and you know junior golf,

1049
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: and it's just like that's just still messed up.

1050
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: So when does that creep into being like literally like

1051
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: like a dependence that's like it's a critical part of

1052
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: your game at some point in.

1053
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: College when when you get it, everyone yeah that.

1054
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: He can't walk without. So I don't know. I think

1055
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: that just says more about the way it's done everywhere

1056
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: else than it does, you know, necessarily even Bryson nor

1057
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: Augusta National. It just I think maybe we need to

1058
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 3: rethink that across the board.

1059
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think it was necessarily the Green

1060
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: reading book this week, because he put it really well

1061
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: a couple rounds at least. I haven't checked with Justin

1062
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: Ray about the how he did the last two, but

1063
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: I think it more goes to the what the test

1064
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: here is about? You know, it's about uneven lie. It's

1065
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: about hitting shots, hitting golf shots. This is a golf test.

1066
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: It's not a simulation. The fairways have a lot of

1067
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: movement in him, so you rarely have a flat lie

1068
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: like you would have on a driving range. The greens

1069
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of slope in them, so much slope

1070
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: that anywhere but Augusta National, I think the tour players

1071
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: would say, if you put these greens on TPC Louisiana,

1072
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: they'd throw fits in one show up. You know. They

1073
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: the pins are in places where there's slow enough slope

1074
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: that the ball will break across the hole. That's something

1075
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: that we don't get on the PGA Tour, which we

1076
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: should get, you know, they should use like you should

1077
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: want to reward somebody that hits the ball on the

1078
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: right spot, Like you hit it within ten feet anywhere

1079
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: on tour, you're generally got a really easy putt. You

1080
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: hit it ten feet anywhere around Augusta. If you're not

1081
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: in the right spot, you got a really really tough putt.

1082
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: And we see like some people on Saturday, like you're

1083
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: ten feet above the hole on ten and they leave

1084
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: it short like that never happens on tour because they

1085
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: aren't scared of what could happen if if they hit

1086
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: a little hard. So I think that is more about

1087
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, Augusta is not afraid to test these players

1088
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: and throw things at them that are challenging. And I

1089
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: think that's the difference is that when it's when golf

1090
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: is flat, and the more that golf is like the

1091
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: driving range, the better that Bryson Deshambeau is.

1092
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: And getting to the opposite end of the spectrum of that.

1093
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: Just justin Ray, I wanted to put a bow on

1094
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: the speech chatter. Two players and the Masters have finished

1095
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: third or better five times in their first eight career

1096
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: starts Speth and Arnold Palmer. So again that's the whole

1097
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: like the cliche that it's does speed really only have

1098
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: one green jacket, Like it's sort of hard to believe

1099
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: that it's only been one when it feels like it's

1100
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: been two or three. I don't know, well, I mean

1101
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: kind of player. When he putts like that, he could

1102
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: still finish T three.

1103
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: It's kind of like boxing in a way, like you know,

1104
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: the guy that looks better outside the ring, like who's

1105
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: who's bigger and more muscular, doesn't always win the fight.

1106
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: If you watch Jordan Speith and Bryson Deshambo next to

1107
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: each other on their driving range, you're gonna say that

1108
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: Bryson's gonna win every single time, but taus yeah, same

1109
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: like but then you go, it's the same thing with boxing,

1110
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: Like the measurables, you're going to pick so and so

1111
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: every time, but like you know, Floyd Maywell that knocks

1112
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: them out in the second round. You know, it's like,

1113
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, there's more to golf, just like boxing. There's

1114
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: more to golf than just the measurables. And unfortunately, the

1115
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: PGA Tour skews towards the measurables more than it skews

1116
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: towards Augusta National or what we see at the Open Championship,

1117
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: where like a lot of people have a shot because

1118
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: there's so many variables that go into the game at

1119
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: the at the at the golf at this type of level.

1120
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any odds and ends you want

1121
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: to get to? I have a few, you know, just

1122
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: for the record, Like our Sunday night show is probably

1123
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: more of like the hardcore golf analysis, right whereas Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

1124
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we did like fifteen minutes on Billy ho

1125
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: and we'll probably we need.

1126
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: To do more.

1127
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: We will, we will one pit. I just want to

1128
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: talk about odds and eds. Femal incredible shots seven and fourteen.

1129
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: Seven was kind of a lucky break. It skips through

1130
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: the bunker up and down and it goes and then

1131
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: fourteen he goes in right, he's short of the grain

1132
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: and uses that incredible slope and that incredible agreen at

1133
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: fourteen to hold it out. I just thought it was

1134
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: really indicative of your quote that golf was more interesting

1135
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: on the ground, the one at seven. I do you

1136
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: like those bunkers in front? Should you be able to

1137
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: run it on there? I mean, there's just a lot

1138
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: of people.

1139
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Have seven seven is the worst hole of the golf

1140
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: course in terms of what it was to what it

1141
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: is now. It used to be a short part four,

1142
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 2: so like on a short a drive and pitch short

1143
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: part four, having bunkers all in front, like when everybody's

1144
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: got a wedgend. It's fine. But now it's like a

1145
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: driver long iron and if you hit it, it is

1146
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: super narrow, and if you don't hit it down the middle,

1147
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: you're in the trees and it takes away a lot

1148
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: of recovery. That being said, I saw Justin Thomas hit

1149
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: an incredible shot on Saturday from the trees, like he

1150
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: hit like a high hooked wedge on to the green.

1151
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: It was. It was unbelievable. At that point, I was

1152
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: really fearful that he was going to steal the green jacket.

1153
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: He faded pretty pretty quickly. You were good on your

1154
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: so anyways, seek that seek that shout out on seven

1155
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: of Peno if you haven't seen it yet, you were

1156
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: good on your pretender contender calls with Rosie. I mean,

1157
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: for a while there, I didn't even know he was

1158
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: on the course. I wasn't sure if he made it

1159
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: down Magnolia Lane on Sunday barely showed him, uh, and

1160
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: then he kind of got mixed in every now and

1161
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: then every like fifteen minutes on the he just didn't

1162
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: have it. He had an eleven hole run, eleven hole

1163
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: run on Thursday, and he just became justin Hoffman after that.

1164
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 3: You know that Charlie Hoffman sort of played it out

1165
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 3: over the last fifty four holes, which maybe Hideki. Maybe

1166
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: that's what Hideki had. He just had the hot the

1167
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 3: hot holes at the right time. It's probably more consistent

1168
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: over the four days, of course, But who else did

1169
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: you have as a con a pretender? Were not enthusiastical?

1170
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 2: Not enough horsepower? Yeah, with with Hidekie and and Valaturus

1171
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: and and the golf course the way it was this week,

1172
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: you needed I think it it's separated where really like

1173
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: the four guys that legitimately had a shot were Spieth, Xander, Xalatorus,

1174
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: and Hideki and all of those guys Premiere t de

1175
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: Green this week.

1176
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: And that was about the subset of contenders. I think

1177
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: we've hit them all.

1178
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: You know who were you most disappointed? And I was

1179
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: disappointed at Conners. I thought he was gonna be a

1180
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: factor and he got off to a good start. I

1181
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna be lingering around.

1182
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard for me to say most disappointed.

1183
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: I guess I most disappointed Xander sort of getting close

1184
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: and then just kind of real gagging it at sixteen.

1185
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: Are you missed? Is there somebody you're most disappointed in?

1186
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: The speed thing was frustrating just because it was the putting,

1187
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, but no one jumps off the page to me,

1188
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: is most disappointing or let me down?

1189
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: Or I felt let down by I think I was

1190
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: left down by Victor Hoplin's attire this week, But.

1191
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: Of course those are those are Thursday, Friday Saturday shows.

1192
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: We hit the fashion, we hit the antics, we hit

1193
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 3: the woozy, we hit the strip, shank all that stuff.

1194
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 3: Then we get into the Sunday it's like the hardcore.

1195
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: What happened here? Can we talk about what I consider

1196
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: to be the two guys at T fifty who finished

1197
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: T fifty most and most most enduring and most disgusting

1198
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: players in the field this week? Most endearing goes to

1199
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: Jose Maria came A Jose Maria olthable and most just offensive.

1200
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 3: Get this guy off the course. Billy the town Crier

1201
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: Motormouth Billy the baton boy, he was that and all

1202
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 3: of those things. He might be, you know, just anger management.

1203
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Billy.

1204
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on Sunday, especially after

1205
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: you know the microscope of Saturday. Sunday we get more

1206
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: of it. He's somebody Saturday.

1207
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: For anybody that did listen to our show on Saturday,

1208
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: we went, we'd went fifteen minutes on the ridiculousness of

1209
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 2: his antics on course, and he's then again in feature

1210
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: groups early morning with Paul Casey and by whole deal.

1211
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 3: Like the notepad they give you to write down the

1212
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: shots and what happened we did what Billy with the

1213
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 3: way he threw his club or what he was shouting

1214
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 3: in the microphone, what happened.

1215
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: Today today was an encore, a second act, a sequel

1216
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: that was maybe better than the prequel, the rare sequel

1217
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: that outdid the first edition.

1218
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: Why would you say that? What are you arguing that?

1219
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: For the the just going nuts on his bag, slamming

1220
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: it over and over again, trying to stab it like

1221
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 3: it's like I.

1222
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: Got tipped off. I got tipped off to a conversation. Also,

1223
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: he had a great motor mouth moment on the sixty.

1224
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: If you if I don't know if the feature Droop's

1225
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: coverage will still be up, but if you go back,

1226
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: he hits his shot on the on the sixth, and

1227
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: there's a fan that's like, be right, and he goes, oh,

1228
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: that's not right, and he turns around and like lands

1229
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: short and rolls like down to the front of the

1230
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: green and like the fan you could tell like is

1231
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: somewhat and he goes, you know, if it was right

1232
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: at all, Like if you're going to say that, at

1233
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: least have it be online. You know it wasn't even online.

1234
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: And then you know he's doing his whole thing. He

1235
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: goes absolutely ape shit on his bag of clubs. Then

1236
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: he goes down into the pond or to the creek

1237
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: on I'm thirteen, go shoeless again and gives us another

1238
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: like whack a mole out of there temper tantrum, Like

1239
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: don't know if he's putting his shoes back on.

1240
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: Ever, we had sobody. We had a couple of nicknames

1241
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: come in Horselberry, Finn because he had the knee high

1242
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: sort of jumping around in the pond deal, and Aquaman.

1243
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: So he's got like he's got more nicknames than he does,

1244
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 3: like wins on the PGA Tour at this point, at

1245
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: least in these quarters, is that just sort of for

1246
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 3: show that he's doing this going back down again. He

1247
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 3: was like, you know, chasing, you know, by the slip,

1248
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: the fall in his pants. He's sliding down the hill

1249
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: like a little boy on Saturday. He wants to prove

1250
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: his metal again. It just seemed he failed spectacularly.

1251
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: Here's my biggest issue that I was made aware of today.

1252
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Billy Horschell is a board member, uh and

1253
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: a like a leader in a leadership role of the AGA,

1254
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: the American Junior Golf Association. He is he has, you know,

1255
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: willingly probably take it on a volunteer position in this organization,

1256
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: but in this role, you are an example setter for

1257
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: the youth of golf in America. And he acts like

1258
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: a perpetual child on the golf course. He chucks clubs,

1259
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: he swears, he throws clubs, he hits, slams clubs into

1260
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: the ground, he slams his bag into the ground, and

1261
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: it was alarming, shouts fuck you when he makes a putt,

1262
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just like, this is a guy

1263
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be like a representative of what our

1264
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: young youth in America should aspire to be. Like that

1265
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: is what actually frustrated me the most today. And he's

1266
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: just not He's not a good He's not a good guy.

1267
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, He's not a good guy. On the

1268
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: golf course. He might be a fantastic humanity and elsewhere.

1269
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to make like full blowing judgments about

1270
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 3: who he might be as.

1271
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: But like, you're a professional golfer, You're you're one of

1272
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: the twenty top twenty players in the world. Act like one.

1273
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: Don't act like a child. Like that's how like if

1274
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: you go watch a high school match, that's how high

1275
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: school kids act. I mean, you're he's thirty seven years old.

1276
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: The problem is he's now the boy who cried oh billy, right,

1277
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: Like we don't even know Like everybody has outbursts on

1278
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 3: the golf course. That's perfectly acceptable, right, I mean, yeah,

1279
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: it's a frustrating game. There's tempers flare, you can throw

1280
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 3: your club, you can curse, you can become exasperated with

1281
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: a putt that doesn't drop. But he's he does it.

1282
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 3: And this being in feature groups at such a high

1283
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 3: profile event. So like you can't do it every hole, man,

1284
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 3: You can't do it. That can't be your sort of constant,

1285
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, drum beat. That cannot be all right, And

1286
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: that's a bad example. And we're not trying to be

1287
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: pearl clutchers here. He's just obnoxious with this.

1288
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: Listen. Okay, I've had outbursts on the golf course. I've

1289
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: had outbursts of the golf course. But like, you know,

1290
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: what happened to my outbursts as I got older, they

1291
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: became less and less. Now I don't get mad at

1292
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: all on the golf course. You know why because I'm

1293
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: a thirty five year old man, you know, like this guy,

1294
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: you're thirty seven. Your dad, like, stop acting like this.

1295
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: You're a millionaire also, like this is the other thing.

1296
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: It's like, and what were you expecting You're going out

1297
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: early Sunday morning, Like what did you think you were

1298
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: gonna shoot sixty six and win the tournament? Like you've

1299
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: been playing like at mediocre golf all week? Like yeah,

1300
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: like this, just.

1301
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: Why are you slamming your bag? What are you doing that?

1302
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 3: You know, why are you doing that?

1303
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: How about the caddy? Bo Hostler pointed it out on

1304
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: the on the video but how about the caddy, how

1305
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: he just like stood to the side.

1306
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: Close enough to catch the bag of the fall, far

1307
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 3: enough to not get you know, caught collateral damage.

1308
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: It was.

1309
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: That was a good insight by bo Ostler. Anyways, that's

1310
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: enough about Billy Ho. We've tried to keep he had

1311
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: another big breakout week. We've tried to keep it talking

1312
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 3: about him to a minimum. I don't have much else,

1313
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 3: do you. I think it was a fantastic week. You've

1314
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: got any odds and ends, some notes, things that delighted

1315
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: or frustrated you from Sunday.

1316
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: I just you know, it sucks that we got to

1317
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 2: wait a year for another one of these.

1318
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 3: Now you feel spoiled because we had two in five

1319
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 3: months or six months.

1320
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the spring one's so much better than

1321
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: the fall one. The golf course played fantastic this week.

1322
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: It was God, that's.

1323
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: Hypothetical when we come to the next when we were

1324
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: playing the next Masters, will the driver heads and balls

1325
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 3: be exact analogs are exactly the same as they were today.

1326
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and they'll I mean there'll be, but yeah,

1327
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: there won't be, and nothing will be done. Do you see?

1328
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: Luke Donald kind of tease out that there might be

1329
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: a new tea on thirteen next year.

1330
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 3: Why how did he tease out?

1331
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 2: What is he tweeted?

1332
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: Rumor he heard or something like that. He was out

1333
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: there a few weeks forever, but he sees concrete sort of,

1334
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: he I.

1335
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: Mean, he just it's just, I mean, it's just an

1336
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: irrelevant thing when the number one, former number one player

1337
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: in the world tweets about it.

1338
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: Sure sure absolutely as some yo yo so that they

1339
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 3: bought land, so it must.

1340
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: Be a tea, he said. Also, they have squeezed the

1341
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: t blocks on thirteen way more to the left. They've

1342
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: also pulled the tree down to stop anyone trying to

1343
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 2: go straight over the trees on the corner. You have

1344
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: to hit a big draw around the corner next year.

1345
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: I believe there will be a new tea though, how.

1346
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 3: About do they need that? Is it fine? Just make

1347
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 3: it being the easiest course, easiest hole in the course,

1348
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 3: or it's just it can be the easiest, but you

1349
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: gotta give some But he is something to think about,

1350
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 3: and they don't have anything to think about right now.

1351
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: I think Garrett Morrison's writing an article about this hole

1352
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: and the evolution of it. So I'm not gonna step

1353
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: on it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shit all

1354
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 2: over Garret's article.

1355
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: What's amazing to me about that hole? And we talked

1356
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: about Speed having five top three finishes in his first

1357
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 3: eight starts. He cannot seem to hit it anywhere but

1358
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 3: way up right in the pies draw, in the trees,

1359
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 3: in the grass.

1360
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1361
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 3: The every time I feel like he's well, they start

1362
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: through the fairway there.

1363
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: That's the thing with these driver heads. Brian Harmon, you know,

1364
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: grew up hitting a draw right, he's lefty, but like

1365
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: he grew up hitt in a draw, like he's the

1366
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: same age as I am. Like I grew up hitting

1367
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 2: a draw. The equipment was really the smaller heads easier

1368
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 2: to turn over. That's why he saw so many guys

1369
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: hitting three wood, because they can turn it over much

1370
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: easier than a driver like that four hundred and sixty

1371
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: Ceci had is really hard to over because you got

1372
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: to release it and you know, you need that toe

1373
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: to toe to get out in front of the heel,

1374
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: and it's really hard to do that with a four

1375
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: hundred sixty cc head. But when when I was a kid,

1376
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 2: all the good players hit draws because like with the smaller,

1377
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: smaller heads and the technology, like you hit that draw,

1378
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: you picked up like forty yards with that draw, like

1379
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 2: over a fade, and you know that changed with everything.

1380
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 2: But that t shot with drivers so hard to draw,

1381
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: that's what makes it. It's just it's not everybody's turned

1382
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: into a fader because you don't lose the yardage that

1383
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: you used to lose with the fade, right, So like

1384
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: now everybody fades the ball because it lands soft and

1385
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: it goes just as far.

1386
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: Yep, Garrett, who have not I think that Garrett Morrison,

1387
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 3: I've not been checking the chat at all. Sorry, they

1388
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: were actually recording this a live as well. If you're

1389
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 3: listening on podcasts next time. And the comment says speed

1390
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: has been hitting that little squeeze cut, but I think

1391
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 3: hitting a hook as sharp as that hole truly requires

1392
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 3: is probably terrifying to him. Again, I just it just

1393
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,839
Speaker 3: feels like every year we see him sort of puttsing

1394
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: around up there, and not that he's not still making birdies,

1395
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 3: but just putting around up in the pine straw or

1396
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: in the trees. I just I guess where I'm at

1397
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 3: right now. It's like I feel like it's we know

1398
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: it's it's not like really what it was intended to

1399
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 3: be originally. But I think I'm still fine with the

1400
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,839
Speaker 3: tea box where it is. I don't know. Maybe maybe

1401
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: you know I'm just an idiot, you know, I'm of

1402
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 3: no consequence. Obviously, I'm not you know, Fred Ridley or

1403
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: anybody that matters. But I just I don't know. I'm

1404
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: okay with it being what it is now. It's not ideal,

1405
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: but I don't know that I want it changed. Yeah,

1406
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 3: I'll follow Garrett's lead on that. I'm interested to read

1407
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 3: his article.

1408
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if if only everybody had the monumental decision

1409
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: that Woozy had.

1410
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, sure, or maybe you do the Sandy Lyleway.

1411
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 3: Just hit a low runner up the fairway, then find

1412
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: a nice little spot out there, a little little hybrid

1413
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: up to the right there and then a wedge.

1414
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: Well, all right, real quick, because we got on Woozy,

1415
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: what are your What are the three things that you'll

1416
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 2: remember for this masters?

1417
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: I know what yours is Woozy sitting on the bench right.

1418
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 3: He couldn't go to bed Friday night because you were

1419
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 3: laughing so hard about the Woozy just taking a load

1420
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 3: up in every screen cap every time they came through it.

1421
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: There he's just and the guy would tee it up,

1422
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 3: even if he teed it up on the right side

1423
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 3: of the T box. There's Woozy. I mean his foot.

1424
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: Did you see it in ninety one he was sitting

1425
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: on the bench with all novelty and off. No, I

1426
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: did what he wanted in ninety one, he was sitting

1427
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: on the bench. I think he deserves the bench to

1428
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: be named after him. That should be you know you

1429
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: got Hogan's Bridge, you got that should be Woozy's bench.

1430
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. I think that's right. I think it's so

1431
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 3: so it is so it has written. Yeah, we are

1432
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 3: we are christening that Woozy's bench. What are what? What

1433
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 3: are you taking away?

1434
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: I think you see Hermie? Hermie sat in it today.

1435
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Strep Shank will kind of stay with me

1436
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: for sure. I mean, the horse the Horsell Act is

1437
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 3: going to live on forever an infamy.

1438
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean.

1439
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: Back nine on a Saturday.

1440
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's not like a micro moment, but I

1441
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: will take that with me forever. The way the sort

1442
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: of excitement that I felt in that hour to hour

1443
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 3: and a half I will always remember and probably Horsell's

1444
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 3: act and I guess the Woozy Bench. What are your three?

1445
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: I think I go with Woozy Bench. I mean, yeah,

1446
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: it's hard to hard to argue with those three. Like

1447
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: a couple other like smaller things. I would say, like,

1448
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 2: you know, do you get out the strep the rose

1449
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: putt that he didn't get through the fringe that he

1450
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: left to from the fringe on the fringe and the

1451
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: pin was a good twenty five feet on the green.

1452
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that. I think. Is that el Taurus?

1453
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean, how can he not be in there? That? God,

1454
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 2: he hits it so good. There's just shots that he

1455
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 2: hits that you're just like God, there's three people in

1456
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: the world that can hit that shot.

1457
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So it was a great masters anything else,

1458
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: any other notes in the notebook you want to clear out.

1459
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have more kind of follow up on

1460
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: our Wednesday episode at Harbor Town where they adding We've

1461
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: got multiple submissions photos they're added in net extension on top.

1462
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: They got these big cranes out there. Bryson's in the field, right,

1463
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: I think, so I need to double check that. I

1464
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 3: would imagine anything else from the Masters. Great fantastic week.

1465
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: No thanks thanks to all the listeners, Thanks to everybody

1466
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: that came to the the live shows, the rain delay show,

1467
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: Thanks to everybody that has supported us with buying the

1468
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 2: coffee or merchandise, whether wherever it be. You guys make

1469
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: the show and I can't wait for the next major.

1470
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: Hopefully we're doing it in person.

1471
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe we will. I mean, some of

1472
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: these virtual Bixby houses will start to become hopefully in

1473
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: person get togethers, whether it be majors or not down

1474
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: the line. But again, just to echo Andy, we really

1475
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 3: appreciate just the feedback. These major weeks can get long

1476
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 3: and onerous, not you know, not crime a River. We're

1477
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: watching golf, talking about golf. It's fantastic to do, but

1478
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 3: they can get long and sort of. The feedback and

1479
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 3: interaction with the community really, you know, energizes us. So

1480
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: thank you all so much for supporting the feedback, the emails,

1481
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 3: the jokes. We really appreciate it. All Right, that's it,

1482
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 3: we'll be back Wednesday to talk Harbor Town. We got

1483
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 3: less than forty days I think to the PGA too,

1484
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: so we're turning around. Remember This used to be just

1485
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: really the wasteland, really wasteland, But we got the PGA

1486
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: in less than forty days, so it'll be great. All right, everyone,

1487
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 3: enjoy your Mondays. We'll be back with you on Wednesday.