1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember your first nap against the Steelers? Yeah? 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: And how that play? I think I pancaked him. Now, 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, so this might not be completely true, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I pancaked him, and you know, 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: gave him one of those like standing over the top 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: things that you get a flag for. Now like that, 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL. How about you? Welcome to the NFL. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: I like it. 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Well, don't tell James I said that is scary as hell. Dude? 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Have you seen him on Instagram? If I saw him 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: on the street, I'd still call him mister Harrison. 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: What's up? 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Everybody on peanuts to him? And this is the NFL 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: Player's Second Act podcast and with me as always as 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: my trustee co host Roman. I am on one. 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: Harm No, You're You're definitely on one. I'm clearly we're 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: gonna have a good one right here, because I guess 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: has good energy. Peanut has good energy. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: You got the energy. 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 3: I have good energy to a nap. 21 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I had to rest my mind for a couple of minutes, 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: but I just shut it off, get it back going. 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: Who we got? Hey? 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: First ballot, Hall of Fame, ten Pro Bowls, like ten 25 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: straight Pro Bowls six First Team All Prolls, Ladies and gentlemen, 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: please welcome to the Pop missus Jill Thomps. 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you very much, thank 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: you very much. 29 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Pop. 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: Man. 31 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming on. I like the hat. 32 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: What hat is that? 33 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: Thank you? Well, I'm glad. Yes, this is the hat 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that we're not now selling for my farm, my Hall 35 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 1: of Fame beef hat. And it actually fits my giant melon. 36 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: So for those of you guys out there that got 37 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: the big head, this is the hat for you. 38 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. 39 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: Was it the olive green? 40 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: I like the green? 41 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: I like I like the green. My farm is in 42 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: southwest Wisconsin, outside of Bosco Bell. It's about an hour 43 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: west of Madison. 44 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: He even said that like a way Wisconson. 45 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, I've been in Wisconsin and then 46 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: high Oh my whole life. So you catch a little 47 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I just never left. 48 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: No, what do you sell at your farm? 49 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: So we're selling all beef products, right, we were raised 50 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: beef cattle, so obviously steaks and things like that, but 51 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: also beef jerky, beef stick, summer sausage, all the good stuff. 52 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you. 53 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: Literally after this, you're gonna have to give me the 54 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: card I found. 55 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: I got one of my bag. Don't worry, I'm always selling, right. 56 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: I literally just bought like almost three four hundred pounds 57 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: of beef from a butcher and I think they were 58 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: in Montana somewhere. They ship it to me, but. 59 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: Ship right to your door. I might deliver it right, 60 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: depending on how this interview goes. Okay, Yeah, we're raising 61 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: the best stops not too far from Milwaukee. Perfect, that'll 62 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: be easy. I'll come deliver it myself with bells on. 63 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. 64 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, because we did a ragnar run. We did it. 65 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: You guys convince in Chicago to Madison. 66 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: You're in from Chicago to Madison one year, one day, 67 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, four hours, and so. 68 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, significant others convinced us. Somehow I got drug into this. 69 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: This is not what I do, is all right, So 70 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: we're doing it this year again. 71 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Let's go. 72 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: That doesn't last time. Yeah, I did go to That 73 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: was my only experience of Madison. Those it was really 74 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: really cool. The water it was really nice. The weather 75 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 3: was actually decent too, so. 76 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: Hopefully it was summertime. It was. 77 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it still got cold, still got cold. 78 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice cool. It's cool. It's not cold 79 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: in the summer, right, It's where you want to be. 80 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: I'm from Alabama, so I felt cold cold to be 81 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: all right. I want to ask you first thing, what 82 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: were the emotions that you were going through when you 83 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: saw country music star Morgan Wallen rocking the Joe Thomas 84 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: seventy two Jersey back in Wisconsin. 85 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Wisconsin, Whompton but similar. It was interesting because me and 86 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: my family were big Morgan long fans. Yes, obviously one 87 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: of the biggest, if not Jersey. I didn't know any 88 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: of it, and I found out through a text message 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: that it was happening. I was at the concert. We 90 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: had our four childre my youngest is six. Reese. We 91 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: love you very much, although in that moment we didn't 92 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: love you so much. So there was a little raindel 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: a had to be any of the show, so it 94 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: kind of got pushed back. And then when they started, 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: we made it till like ten forty five or so, 96 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: and it was a Sunday, so like kids had stuff 97 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: going on on Monday, and my daughter would not stop 98 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: crying she was so tired. My six year old, Oh, 99 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: and finally, after like thirty minutes of it, my wife's like, 100 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: we just got to leave, Like she's not gonna make it. 101 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: Like we've already seen a lot of the show. It's great. 102 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: So I throw over my shoulder. I'm carrying her to 103 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the car. We just get right outside of Camp Randall Stadium. 104 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: We hear the concerts still going on, and all of 105 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, my phone is just blowing up like crazy, 106 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: and yeah, I got an Apple Watch on, so I'm like 107 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of peeking to see who's hitting me up? Why 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: am I getting so many messages at eleven o'clock on 109 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: Sunday night? Yeah, And like the picture pops up and 110 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: I go, you've got to be kidding me. I go, 111 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: Annie Morgan Wong. He's singing right now, he's wearing my jersey, 112 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: and we're walking out of the stadium, and I was like, 113 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: should we tell the kids because they're going to hate 114 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: their sister forever. But it was a really cool moment 115 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: in hindsight, because I think that picture of him wearing 116 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: my jersey, which was completely a surprise. My wife like 117 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: got a little commemorative ticket printed out and put it 118 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: up in the office, and I'm like that's forever gonna 119 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: bond me and make me think of my daughter. Maybe 120 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: in the moment there was the next emotions, but like 121 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: it's just cool we had that memory and it's going 122 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: to stick out, probably even more if you're just sitting 123 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: there enjoying the concert the way it was. 124 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: Well, you got a great story out of it, exactly. 125 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: And you know the Cleveland Browns as an organization, you 126 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: know they when you were went into the Hall of Fame, 127 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: they they put up a whole list of numbers to 128 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: kind of support you in your career, right, and the 129 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: number twenty three of the number of quarterbacks that you 130 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: blocked four doing your eleven year career. How many out 131 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: of these twenty three do you think you can name. 132 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: I've seen you on another show you did good ESPN. 133 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: I did a show once, ye, but that was like 134 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: six years ago. 135 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: Let's test the marine at the. 136 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Beginning and then the end is okay, But in the middle, 137 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: like some of those middle years, and. 138 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: I went through the LIS, I was like that I 139 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: didn't even know he played there. 140 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: You didn't even know he was in the NFL. 141 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: Probably it's kind of similar to me in Chicago with 142 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks. 143 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: We then you have twenty three but hi, Joe, Yeah, 144 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: pressures on. 145 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: So we started with Charlie Fry, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, 146 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: Seneca Wallace, Yeah, Jake Delome, Josh McCown, Colet McCoy, Austin Davis, 147 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: Robert Griffin the third. 148 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: I didn't know that he'd played for you guys. 149 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah. Terrelle Pryor took a couple snaps at quarterback 150 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: in emergency situations. Charlie Whitehurst touchdown, Jesus, Jesus, clipboard Jesus. 151 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Also yes, clipboard Jesus touchdown Jesus and South different guy, 152 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: same level of fame. I all forgot about. I was 153 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: waiting for my mind. I'm like, did I play with Johnny? Yes? 154 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: I did. I have a lot of scars still from 155 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: those man Zel days. Ryan Hoyer Yeah, actually called decent 156 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: season there, seven and nine. Bruce greg Kowski, Brandon Whedon, 157 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: he was Dad Lewis, Josh Johnson one of my favorite 158 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: crazy how long he played in the He's still playing. 159 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: You're seventeen way outlived, Ken Dorsey, Cody Kessler, yep USC 160 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: third round pick. I think uh. 161 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 3: Armani Edwards was on the list. Mm hmmm. 162 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: It's may have been concussed in that game. I don't 163 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: remember it happened. 164 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: And the other one is, uh, Deshaun Kaiser. 165 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser, yes, sah, he was our starter My last 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: season is ish Yeah, so not bad. You know, I 167 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: haven't gone through that list in a while, and there's 168 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: a lot of names on there, not as many Hall 169 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: of famers, not as many, not as many guys. 170 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: You know, do you know your very first guy? 171 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Charlie Frye because I had him for 172 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: exactly one half of football. He was our starting quarterback. 173 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: He was our captain, local guy. They benched him at 174 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: halftime of Week one and they traded him the next 175 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: day to Seattle, and I've never seen him since. That's awesome, 176 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: as youre welcome to the NFL moment any By the way, 177 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: I guys, your captain, he's not gonna be here anymore. 178 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: We just got rid of it. 179 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 2: And your last was just shn Kaiser, So you already 180 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: hit that one on that, Hi. It's a good job 181 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: bad ten three hundred and sixty three. That's the number 182 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: of consecutive snaps you played, which is insane. That's I 183 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: don't even know how you how you even get ten thousand, 184 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty three snaps? What is your body 185 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: feel like? Having played ten thousand, three hundred and sixty 186 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: three consecutive. 187 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Snaps considering that was ten and a half seasons, yep, 188 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: never missed a play. I feel okay by that standard. Yeah, 189 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: I just had my hip replaced like three ish months ago. 190 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: But I'm feeling great okay with swimming and yoga and 191 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: play a little basketball. 192 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: So you already got the hip done. 193 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Got the hip done, it was felt way better. It 194 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: was really really bad and it was really affecting my back, 195 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: which I didn't realize they were so linked together. But 196 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: I was having really really bad back problems and the 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: hip was hurting. But since I did the hip, the 198 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: back is feeling great, so I just have to monitor it. 199 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like for you guys, but 200 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: there's certain parts of my body, like the outside of 201 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: my left knee, just because of the position that I 202 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: was in all the time, that's way worse than other parts. 203 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: Like like I said, I can play basketball like it's 204 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: not like competitive, but I can run back and forth 205 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: and it feels great because that motion is fine, But like, 206 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: if I get into that position that I played in 207 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: for ten thousand plus snaps, that's the time when I'm 208 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: starting to feel it. Look, man, do you remember your 209 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: first You remember your first snap against the Steelers? Yeah, 210 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: and have that play. I think I pancaked him. No, 211 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, so this might not be completely true, 212 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I pancaked him, and you know, 213 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: gave him one of those like standing over the top 214 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: things that you get a flag for. Now you like that? 215 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL. How about you? Welcome to the NFL. 216 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: I like it. 217 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: Well, don't tell James I said that. 218 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: Feel scary as hell? 219 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Dud. Have you seen him on Instagram? If I saw 220 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: him on the street, I'd still call him mister Harrison. 221 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: Dude is always in the gym. 222 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: He is always in debo and congrats, because you know, 223 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: I judge people in their basketball post football careers as 224 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: like do you play half quarter or do you play 225 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: full court? 226 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: We do full court. 227 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: So the fact that you're like, no, I do full court, 228 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: like I much respect do you? Anytime you can get 229 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: a little sand bag layup like that's right, never matter. 230 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't jump for rebounds, Like, I don't do any 231 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: of that. I just shoot the outside shots, you know, 232 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: like jogged back shoot half ass defense. Yeah, just get 233 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: a sat. 234 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: Do you play basketball? I feel like you can't hoop. 235 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: Don't be disrespectful. Yes, I feel like you can't hoop. 236 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: I ain't never seen. 237 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Bottle locker room fights started over you can't play basketball. 238 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Don't be disrespectful. I've never seen you hoop either. I 239 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: can't dunk. 240 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't dunk. When the last time you've dunked? 241 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: Uh? 242 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Probably within probably like the last three or four months. 243 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: No, I mean, dude, I'm a finger roll guy at 244 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: this point. I'm straight finger roll ice man. Yeah, I 245 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: got another number for you, zero point zero zero four. 246 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: That's is your sacks allowed percentage. I don't know if 247 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: you knew that, did you? 248 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but if I was going to guess, 249 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: I was probably going down that either sacks or holds, 250 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: so neither. 251 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: So you were really good at avoiding both. So out 252 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: of your six hundred six thousand, six hundred and eighty 253 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: pass block snaps, I mean dude, they did a really 254 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: good job of writing down your resume, you only allowed 255 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: thirty sacks responsible for. I don't know if they were 256 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: all even your fault actually asked, Yeah, yeah, do you 257 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: even remember the first sack that you probably gave up. 258 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: It's weird. Sacks are weird because like it's kind of 259 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: your fault. It's kind of that guy qua. Yeah, Yeah, 260 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: quarterback was maybe a little deep. It was definitely in 261 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: that game against the Steelers or James Harrison, because they 262 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: had six sacks in the first half, so I'm sure 263 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,239 Speaker 1: that of them was by my fault. 264 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: Was there ever a team that you played or a 265 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: defense that you went against, or a decordinator and he 266 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: just confused the shout of you with the defense and 267 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: what they would do. Is there is there a game 268 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: or a team that just kind of gave you problems? 269 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: Like every time you play, we're just like we got 270 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: to be on rp's and q's because this quarterback or 271 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: excuse me, this uh decoordinator, he knows how to mess 272 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: with us. 273 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rex Ryan Baltimore because they had all those Hall 274 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: of famers on defense, and so he could get away 275 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: with calling anything, like he didn't have to worry about 276 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: covering guys up or covering areas of the field because 277 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: he knew if he was sending the house like they 278 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: were getting home Minterrell, Suggs, Jared Johnson, Ray Lewis, Helodi 279 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: not on the middle of Trevor Price. Like every one 280 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: of those dudes was Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers, 281 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: And so I remember a very specific play that really 282 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: screwed us, and it was not very nice of Rex 283 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: because it was on accident. But they had ten guys 284 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: in the field, and as you guys know, like on 285 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: the offense and we're looking to block something in pass protection, 286 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: we're counting, right, where's our receivers. Who's covering those dudes? 287 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Where's the safeties? If they're over the top right now, 288 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: I know that guy's a threat. We got to count 289 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: them in our count. Well, they had two cornerbacks over 290 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: two receivers. The safety was pushed this way, so nobody 291 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: else was over there. So Hank Freyley was our center, 292 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: a great offensive line coach now in the NFL, and 293 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Hank was looking out there and so he took the 294 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: protection the other way. Well, they only had ten on 295 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: the field, but we didn't count how many guys they had. 296 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: We were just looking the structure of the defense, their 297 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: safety right before the snap came off the sideline because 298 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure the decordinator or whoever on the sideline was there, 299 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: really got ten. So he comes on the field after 300 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: like we've already pointed to going the other way, we're 301 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: about to snap the ball, and then now they blitzed 302 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: the nickel corner over there, so was the. 303 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: Count we're going the other way? 304 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: He was on account for you can't blitz there's nobody 305 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: topping to you, right, So it was that where I 306 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: was like, I know that was on accident, but that 307 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: was not very nice. Pretty no idea and no chance 308 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: to be able to pick up that blitz. 309 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: No way, all right? So who's like a defen edge? 310 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: Who was somebody that I know? You didn't give up 311 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: a lot? So I won't use the word struggle, but 312 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: like maybe you knew, all right, this is going to 313 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: be a day. 314 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, my entire career was James Harrison and Terrell 315 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: Suggs in the AFC North, so I was playing those 316 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: guys twice a year. Justin Smith was in Cincinnati my 317 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: first and he was so yeah, he wasn't yet big 318 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: enough to play on the inside like he did for 319 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and so just in the AFC North, 320 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it was a struggle every single week. But then the 321 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Marcus ware Dwight for any of those or two other 322 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: guys that always. 323 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: Just separates these great pass rushers or guys that are like, okay, 324 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: because is it because they have multiple moves, is they 325 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: still have to speak the power string which one guy? 326 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you always got to have one thing that you 327 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: do really really well. But I think the things that 328 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: make a defensive end really really tough to block is 329 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: a guy that can beat you to the inside, he 330 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: can beat you outside and then he can run you over. Yeah, 331 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: because if you can only you two of the three, 332 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: I can kind of set on the other ones. And 333 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: then if you're trying to, like if you don't have power, 334 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: I can set soft, and then if you try to 335 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: bull rush me, I can just kind of catch myself 336 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: after that absorb it. But if I'm worried about man 337 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Duight Freeney, like he's got this killer spin move and 338 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on that and then he runs up the field, okay, 339 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I can transition. But then if he if I'm sitting 340 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: on the inside and he turns into a bull rush, 341 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: he's too strong and too fast and into your body 342 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: too quickly that you can't recover exactly because he's like, yeah, 343 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: so that guy was a beast, but yeah, if you 344 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: can beat a guy inside outside and then you can 345 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: run them over, Like those are the dudes. 346 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make sure I write that down. 347 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: Ye yeah, tell your friends. But there's not many guys 348 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: that are like that that can do all three things 349 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: really well. 350 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: And so the league is coming out with a new 351 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: offensive Lineman awards called a Protector War. 352 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah you get excited. 353 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: I feel like every time we ask a guess this, 354 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: especially a line, and they go, yeah, it's about why 355 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: do you thinks about time that we start showing our 356 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: love soar and some love to the offensive lineman. 357 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, because when these guys are up for the Hall 358 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: of Fame, we don't have to talk about point zero 359 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: zero four sacks per play and oh he played a 360 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of snaps and like he had a lot of 361 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and don't you feel bad for him? Like you 362 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: can be like, hey, he wont protect her of the 363 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: Year four times. 364 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: It's a great like wow. 365 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, like as an on lineman, most of our 366 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: stats are things that we do that are bad and 367 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: it's like, how many times did he avoid the bad thing? Okay, 368 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: that makes you pretty good. But it's cool as an 369 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: offensive lineman to get get flowers every now and then 370 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: and something as an award, or get some recognition for 371 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: doing something good, even though it's you know, a season 372 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: long award, and certainly in every season there's gonna be 373 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are deserving. But I think 374 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: it's great to shine the light on the big fellows 375 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: every now and then. 376 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: So if the league were to come to you today, 377 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: right now and say, Joe, do you get to design 378 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: the award? How would you design it? 379 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: Hmm, that's a great question. Maybe it's an old lineman 380 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: like arms around his brothers in the locker room having 381 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: a beer after the game. I don't think they would 382 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: allow that. But I think the ones that I always 383 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: love are like when you see the offensive line pictures 384 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: and he's got like a snarl on his face and 385 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: snop bubbles coming out of his nose and he's pointing 386 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: out there. You know, I think those are kind of cool. 387 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: So something like that where a guy's in his stance 388 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: kind of. 389 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: Like cool something. What would you name it? 390 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: The protector of the year. 391 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: Okay, that's just enough. Okay, hey we're taking a POLLI okay, 392 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: we're taking a polly. 393 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't thought about the name because I 394 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: thought it already was decided. 395 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: So tell me this. We we like to ask guys 396 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: what's their welcome to the NFL moment? You already did that, 397 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: so I want you to tell me what was your 398 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: welcome to Cleveland moments? Playing in Cleveland, it's a little different. 399 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: It is it is. I'll give you two real quick. One. 400 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: When I showed up, they were excited. The fans were pumped. 401 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: And usually if you're an offensive lineman drafted in the 402 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: top five, the fans are like, oh hey, so we 403 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: should have the quarterback or should have drafted the receiver, 404 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Like how about somebody? That's exciting, you know. But as 405 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: soon as I got there, you could feel that Cleveland 406 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: Browns fans understood the game. They respected line play. There 407 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: was that blue collar nature to the fan base that 408 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: really appreciates good line play. So that was really cool. 409 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: That was definitely a welcome to Cleveland, just understanding what 410 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: this fan base is all about. And then the other 411 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: welcome to Cleveland moment was my rookie year. We're playing 412 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills Jim Leonard, he's playing safety for him, 413 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: and we call it the Snowball. Though it was not 414 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: a remarkable game by NFL history standards, but it snowed 415 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: seven inches between warm ups being finished and middle of 416 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: the second half. So it went from like, not exactly 417 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: a day like today, but it might rate it might 418 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: snow a little bit too. Wow, it's snowing so hard 419 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: that I can't see across the field and I can't 420 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: see the dudes in the other color jersey. And the 421 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: film was so bad because it was snowing so hard. 422 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: We didn't even watch the film because there was so 423 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: much snow between the lens and the field. It just 424 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: looked like you were watching like a white screen, like 425 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: you didn't have the right. 426 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, how was it so you were here in 427 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: that Lebron James era? 428 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 429 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: How was it like living here going to the games? 430 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: Just the Lebron James effect or whatever? Like, how was 431 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: sports in Cleveland during that time? 432 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: It was awesome. I mean, Cleveland loves its sports. It's 433 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: a pro sports town. You know, people talk about New 434 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: York being a pro sports town, which it is. But 435 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland has that same level of passion where they're following 436 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: their baseball team, they're following their basketball, they're following their 437 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: football team, and that's their identity. That's what they do. 438 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm a Cleveland fan. I love the Guardians, I 439 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: love the Browns, I love the Cavaliers. And that's the passion. 440 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: That's what people talk about on the street. If you're 441 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: going to go get your shoe shine at the airport, 442 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: that's what the shoeshine guy is going to be talking 443 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: to your They live and breathe pro sports. And when 444 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: Lebron was there, obviously he's the biggest athlete in the 445 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: world probably at that time, and we were the center 446 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: of the athletic world because the stuff he was doing 447 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: was remarkable and the fans were coming from all over 448 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: the country to watch him play. It was awesome. It 449 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: was really really cool. You have a chance to meet him, 450 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I got him a few times. He 451 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: was a super nice guy and he grew up in Akron, 452 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: but he was a Cowboys fan, but he still had 453 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: love for the Browns, which is really cool. So like 454 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: even though he would come to like we played the 455 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys in my second season, and he had all Cowboys 456 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: stuff on, you know, but he still had a lot 457 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: of love for the local team and the other players. 458 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: And I felt, even though he was such a superstar, 459 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: he showed a lot of respect, which he didn't have 460 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: to because he's better than all of us, had everything 461 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: he does, but he showed a lot of respect for 462 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: common athletes and like what you go through and the 463 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: perseverance and the stresses, and I always thought that was 464 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: really neat. 465 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, game day, we all have OCD. We all have 466 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: our routines and what we want to do. I have 467 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: my rituals and my OCD on game day. By you 468 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: were eleventh year, it was taking you four hours or 469 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: four hours to get ready for pregame. What the hell 470 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: is a pregame ritual for you? 471 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: A lot of it was in the training room with 472 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the trainers, like trying to find enough duct tape and 473 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: band aids to put me together. I mean I was 474 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: wearing like two back braces, but before you could even 475 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: put the back braces on, you got to put the 476 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: back plaster on. Before you can put the back plaster on, 477 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: you gotta get the massage and the their gun and 478 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: got to get in the hot tub. So it was 479 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: just a matter of getting the body warmed up and 480 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: then putting the protective pieces of equipment in place, like 481 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: in that order that makes sense. And then you know, 482 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: still got knee braces and knee leaves. And I was 483 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: a guy that was super anal about everything, and so 484 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: I would take my wrists, take my gloves and my wrists, 485 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: put my thumb guards on there, take. 486 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: The risk first. What's that would you do? Like a 487 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: risk first? 488 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: That left first, so my right was free right in 489 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: case I needed to do anything. But like with my shoes, 490 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: I would spray that QDA, the quick drying adhesive on 491 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: the bottom of my feet, and then I put my 492 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: socks on. I'd spray my calves so my socks wouldn't 493 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: slide down. I'd spray the bottom of my socks so 494 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: they wouldn't slide in my shoes. Like, I was anal 495 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: to the max, so I had a lot of things 496 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: that I was trying to put together. And I was 497 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: a guy that saw a lot of time in the 498 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: training room before the game started. 499 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: I know you sprayed the socks. 500 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: If you would have tried it, you would have been 501 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: a believer. I don't even know who taught me that. 502 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: I feel bad not given the proper sources the sighting, 503 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: but it made such a difference because the worst thing, 504 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: especially playing in like a hot game, is when your 505 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: socks get wet and your shoes get wet and then 506 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: your feet start sliding, even just a little bit, it 507 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: just throws you off. And I hated that. 508 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: So at what point, when you're going through this process, 509 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: you're like, all right, they I think this is a lot. 510 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: Did you ever even think like, you know what, man, 511 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: like I'm doing too much. 512 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what to take away? What do I 513 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: not do? Like my shoes and I slide and get 514 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: yeah right, And you know I was okay. I didn't 515 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: have anything else going on on Sunday, Nay. 516 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: What did you enjoy more? Run blocking or pass blocking? 517 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: Run blocking is a lot more fun, but since we 518 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: were losing a lot, I got a lot more comfortable 519 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: pass blocking all the time. I mean that's why I 520 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: had almost what almost seventy percent of my plays were passes. 521 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: And so when you do something over and over and 522 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: over and over again, like you get pretty good at it, 523 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: you get pretty comfortable. And being that as linemen, we 524 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: get paid the pass block like I enjoyed run blocking more, 525 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: of course, but I realized that I was going to 526 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: get paid for my pass blocking. 527 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: What is your opinion on like jump sets, like jump 528 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: setting as an offensive tackle, Like they don't. 529 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: Explain what a jump set is. 530 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: Jump sets like they kind of fire out like it's 531 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: a run, and you kind of it's just throwing off 532 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: the timing, so you're not always feel like the old 533 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 3: lineman always on the defense, they're always just kicking back, 534 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: and I just feel like you get a full speed 535 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: start all the time if you're at defensive end or 536 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: edge player, and sometimes it's just I feel like it 537 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: just throws the timing off of a defensive lineman if 538 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: you kind of jump set them every now and then. 539 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: What was your opinion on that? Yeah? 540 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean I wanted the biggest tool belt in 541 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: the game. I wanted to be able to do everything 542 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: right because if you're going against a guy who's got 543 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: a really good inside move, like I'm going against Miles here, 544 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: let's say like I'm probably not going to jump them 545 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: all that much because it's like two cars coming at 546 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: each other on a back road highway, Like you're not 547 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: going fifty five now you're going one hundred and ten. Yeah, 548 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: so it's harder to react when somebody is making an 549 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: inside move if you are jump setting him. But like 550 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: you go against a guy who's a rhythm pass rusher, 551 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: he's used to taking his three or four steps, putting 552 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: his foot in the ground point of contact, and then 553 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: he's making his move. If you jump set him, you 554 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: disrupt that timing. A lot of times it's almost like 555 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: they give up and they have to restart their engine 556 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: and then never have time to get to the quarterback. 557 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, so that's when you wanted. So when 558 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: you have rhythm pass rushers, yeah, a lot of times 559 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: that's when you'd use the jump set. 560 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's specific to the scheme. You know, 561 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: if you're a play action team and you're doing a 562 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: lot of play action, you're going to get more of 563 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: that if you're running more quick game, and you probably 564 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: see a lot more in college because they're doing a 565 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: lot more like just quick throws on po's stuff like 566 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: that where hey, they want you guys to get the 567 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: hands down of the defensive line, so you need to 568 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: get on them quickly because it might be just a 569 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: quick slant and if you're setting off now the defensive 570 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: line sees the quarterback stop his drop, gets his hands 571 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: in the air, knocks the ball on toughest. 572 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: D lineman to block versus the run d end or 573 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: D Lineman, just d Lineman, D lineman. 574 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: Ted Washington thankfully, Kevin Why had the same thing. He's like, dude, 575 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: nobody's four hundred ten pounds, Like, I don't know how 576 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: you move that guy. And most of it was blow 577 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: his chest, yes, blow the waist, blow the chest, and 578 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: so God would kind of hang down between his knees. 579 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: You weren't getting under that. Guys that I actually blocked. 580 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Holod Nada would be the next guy think about, because 581 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: when you saw him on the goal line, it was 582 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: like you better run the other way or this is 583 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: not working, no matter if we got a double team 584 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: or not. He is three sixty. He gets off the 585 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: ball lightning quick, and he can put his head down 586 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: and he's way stronger than any human being in the 587 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: stadium right now. 588 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: Ted Washington was my welcome to the NFL moment. Really, 589 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that he was. 590 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: It was awful. 591 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: In Chicago. 592 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely hated Ted Washington. We I get I get I 593 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: get hayes, I get dumped in the shower, I get 594 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: taped up. 595 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 3: They throw me in a coltel. Whatever. That's my haze. 596 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: I take it. 597 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: Whatever's cool. 598 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: The next day, I go in our locker room and 599 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: I had to go on our trainer equipment manager for something. 600 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: And I try to leave and I. 601 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: Was like, sorry, guys, I didn't mean to come into 602 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: you know, the vet locker room. Sorry, I'll process. I'm 603 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 2: gonna go to a long way. So Olin steps in 604 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: front of one of the doors and I was like, oh, 605 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: my fault, I'm gonna go the other way. So I 606 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: try to go a long way now now. So then 607 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 2: Big Ted walks up and he was like, hey, you're 608 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: gonna get in his laundry bend and I'm gonna push 609 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: you around and you're gonna make noises like you're driving 610 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: a car. And I was like, so, my my manhood 611 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: kicked and I was just like, man, hell no, my 612 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: pride kicked in. And then all the other vests as. 613 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: Like, hey, look, look, look, look look at you the 614 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: little rook. 615 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: So I'm just like, no, man, y'all got me yesterday, respectfully, sir, 616 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: Like I'm good, Like I'm not doing that. Y'all got 617 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: me yesterday with respect trying to be respectful. He's like, 618 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: you're gonna get your chest and launch and I'm gonna 619 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: push you around. Thomas, I kid you not. I had 620 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: to think about my life. It was like I was 621 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: cause I was finna crash. I was like, hey, I'm 622 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: a man first, but I had to swallow my pride. 623 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm the new guy. I shouldn't have 624 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: come in here. So I literally get in this laundry 625 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: band and he pushes me around the locker room and 626 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: I have to make these sounds and he is like 627 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: ramming it in the walls. He's ramming it in the 628 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: lockers and everyone is laughing. It was so embarrassing. So 629 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: then he squats down and he picks up the laundry 630 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: with me in it with some clothes too, picks me 631 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: up and then he just throws it me the close 632 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: the bind We fly across the room. I rolled over 633 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: and I was like, appreciate it, big Ted, thanks, and 634 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: I go out and I went all the other rookies 635 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: and they're like, where was you at? 636 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 3: Fool? 637 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: I was like, man, big Ted trip it. And then I, 638 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: you know, I explained it to him, and then like 639 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: literally like the next day or a week later, he 640 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 2: got traded to the New England Patriots, and I was like, 641 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: thank god, I was so happy. But he went on 642 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: and he got a Super Bowl ring, so it kind 643 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: of worked out for. 644 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: I had a real brief welcome to the NFL moment 645 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: with Ted, and it was right after I got drafted. 646 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: I was there taking a tour of the building and 647 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, like after you get there, you got a 648 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: scout taking around or whatever, just showing you locker room, 649 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: equipment room, whatever. And Ted's standing there at the door 650 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: to the locker room and I was like, oh, I'm 651 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: trying to be nicely. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm Joe. 652 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: And he looked at me like this. He was like, 653 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: don't touch me, rookie, and I just kept walking. I was. 654 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm surprised you even talk to you. 655 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: We had on our team. 656 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: He'd be like, Hey, tell the rookie Joe that he 657 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: needs to go get some whatever. And then the ve black, Hey, 658 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: rook Ted said you need to go do it, and 659 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: you'd be like right there. But Ted would not talk 660 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: to you for a whole year. He just would not 661 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: talk to you, and he was just like, like, I 662 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: was so happy when. 663 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: They get this is like old school too, like he 664 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: was he was an old school Yeah, yeah, an old 665 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: school Vets And when we came in, it was probably 666 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 3: more guys that were like, you know, ten eleven twelve 667 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: year guys that have been in the NFL versus now 668 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: you don't have as many ten twelve year guys just 669 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: in locker rooms that were around or raised by ten 670 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: twelve fourteen year guys. So that part of it is 671 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: just completely different, and it's pretty entertaining. I mean, that 672 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 3: was a good story. Peenis was it was Ted Washing. 673 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: I ain't seen a minute, but again, Ted, you got 674 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: me Ted, it was I respect it. 675 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: I respect I read another article and you talked about 676 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: how important it is for offensive alignment to have ankle mobility. 677 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: Cause you explain why that's so important for the offensive 678 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: lignment position. 679 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: So a lot of people think knees hips that's where 680 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: you need to bend, but really, as alignment, to be 681 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: able to create force through the ground, you got to 682 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: have your heel in the ground. Yeah, like you're squatting, right, 683 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: you don't squat on your toes otherwise. Now, or when 684 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: you're running, Like, if your ankles are tight and they're 685 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: flexed right, they don't absorb that energy and you're able 686 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: to spring off of them. So if your heels are 687 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: in the ground and you're able to bend your ankles, 688 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: the further you can get your knee over your toe 689 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: is the more power you're able to create. And that's 690 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: the most important thing as an offensive alignment. Be able 691 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: to create that power, that starting strength that you got 692 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: to have, and then as you're past protecting, being able 693 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: to stick your heels in the ground, take a stand 694 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: when you're being bull rushed, and then having that mobility 695 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: in your ankles to be lower than the that's trying 696 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: to beat you. 697 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 698 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So let's own a transition this conversation into the 699 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: second act. Hands how we got the name info Player 700 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: second X podcast. So have this amazing career, Hall of 701 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: Fame career comes to an end, you have the transition 702 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: you do something else outside of football. 703 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: How did you. 704 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 2: Get into the farming space? 705 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: Like? 706 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: Where did that? 707 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 3: Where did that come from? 708 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: Not exactly sure. I grew up in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which 709 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: is a suburb of Milwaukee. I drove past farms, but 710 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: it was never a farmer. And I had grandparents great 711 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: grandparents that were on the farm, but like no direct 712 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: relative that was a farmer. But I was always a 713 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: country boy. I grew up getting dirty and going fishing 714 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: and hunting and camping with my family. That's just kind 715 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: of what we did. So I always dreamed of owning 716 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: a piece of land that I could take the family 717 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: and friends too someday and make memories. Go camp, go fish, 718 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: go hunt, do those things. So in twenty twelve I 719 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: bought a farm and then we were raising cash crop. 720 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: But that's not crazy because I wasn't the one riding 721 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: the tractor. I'd hired that out. 722 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: When you bought this farm or the land, Oh how 723 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 2: big is the land? 724 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: How much land do you have? 725 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: That's a personal question. Okay, big enough to get lost, Okay, 726 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: big enough to get lost. 727 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: But is everything already done or you just you have 728 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: to Like you bought the farm from another person. Is 729 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: everything kind of set up for you already? Or do 730 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: you have this like star from scratch. 731 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: It's it's set up, But there's always a ton of 732 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: stuff you want to do, Like you move into somebody's house, 733 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: like you're thinking about I'd like to change this reatt 734 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: that they rip out the shrubs here and do things 735 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: like that. So I always liked working on the farm 736 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: and like getting dirty. And I've been buying all the 737 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: equipment to skidloaders and the excavators and the tractors and 738 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: stuff because I always wanted to be able to do 739 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: that myself. Yeah, but when I bought it, I was 740 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of a plane in the NFL still, 741 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: so I didn't have that time. 742 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: To do it. 743 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: So we hired a lot of that out. So it 744 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty eighteen that I ended up getting into 745 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: cattle and on the advice of my children and my 746 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: wife who said, Daddy, wouldn't it be fun if we 747 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: have pet cows at the farm. And I was like, 748 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, how am I going to have time 749 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: for this. I don't know anything about raising cattle. But 750 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, I love to eat beef. 751 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: I can't eat my other pets. So these are a 752 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: great option for getting the kids more pets because I'm 753 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: going to make them happy. We're going to get some 754 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: cows out in the farm, and then at the end 755 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: of the day, we're gonna have some delicious beef that 756 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: we know how it was raised, we know what it ate, 757 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: and I know that this is probably the healthiest, most 758 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: nutritious beef that I could possibly feed family and friends. 759 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: So I was all on board and kind of took 760 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: off from there. 761 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 3: And you brought up something you talked about fishing, And 762 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: I want to know this because I've never got to 763 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: sit down and talk to you, but you had one 764 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: of the coolest draft, Like you were one of the 765 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: first guys that like like you were fishing when you 766 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 3: got the call. Like I remember this very vividly, like 767 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 3: watching your draft process and you're like fishing, like knowing 768 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: that you were going to be Why did you decide 769 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 3: that that's what you were going to do, knowing that 770 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 3: you're probably going to get called very early? 771 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: Well, because my dad and I would go fishing every 772 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: Saturday morning as a kid growing up. We'd go out 773 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: in Lake Michigan and go salm and fishing, wake up 774 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: at like three am, and get out in the water 775 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: by five. And that was our tradition. That's what we did, 776 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: that's what I love to do. And this was back 777 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: when the draft was just two days and start Saturday morning, 778 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: and so my agent told me like, hey, you know, 779 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: the NFL wants you to come to the draft in 780 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: New York, and I respectfully told them, but I'm going 781 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: to be fishing with my dad, so it's going to 782 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: be hard to be in two places at one time. 783 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: And I really never wavered from that because the draft 784 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: was starting to become a big deal, but they still 785 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: only invited five guys at the time, And for me, 786 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: I was not a flashy guy looking to buy a 787 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: new suit and go to the draft. Like I didn't 788 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: have dreams as a kid of the moment of me 789 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: being on stage being drafted, Like I dreamed of playing 790 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL, like a lot of kids would play football. 791 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: But to me, that wasn't the game. That wasn't my goal. 792 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: That was just finding the answers to the test, finding 793 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: out how you did, and then figure out where's my 794 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: next team going to be. So it wasn't an event 795 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: for me that I've all always wanted to be at 796 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: and I'd much rather go fishing with my dad. 797 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 3: So you talked about a dream to play in the NFL. 798 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: Was it a dream to be beyond just being in 799 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: the NFL? And what was that dream? 800 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: So I went to school for business. I was in 801 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: the real estate program at Wisconsin, and so I kind 802 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: of always thought that I maybe played college football after 803 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: I was already there, and then go work in commercial 804 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: real estate or some type of business. I didn't really 805 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: have a concrete idea exactly what I wanted to do, 806 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: but I was always getting ready for that moment because 807 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: I never looked too far into the future and thought, oh, yeah, 808 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to play in the NFL. I don't have 809 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: to worry about this stuff. When I was in college, 810 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: I just loved being in Madison. I mean, it was 811 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: a number one party school a few times when I 812 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: was there, and I had great friends, great teammates. I 813 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: love playing for the Badgers. I was in Madison. We 814 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: got lakes all over the place, so I'd go fishing 815 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: on my days off, and I just really loved where 816 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: I was, and so I never really thought too far 817 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: down the line about you know, what's next. And it 818 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: really wasn't even until the end of my junior year 819 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: when scouts started asking me if I was gonna come 820 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: out for the NFL draft, until I realized, like, oh man, 821 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: I might have an ability to keep doing this thing 822 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: for a little while. 823 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: It was kind of his story by him telling me 824 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: that reminds me of you when we were talking one day. 825 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 2: My story is I always wanted to play in the NFL, 826 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: Like I thought about it all the time. I knew 827 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: I was gonna get drafted. I worked so hard for it. 828 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: Freshman sophomore, took these classes like I had a plan. 829 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: I'd set out a goal if in order to get drafted, 830 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: here's what the things and steps that I have to do. 831 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 2: You and I were talking one day, and you go, man, 832 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: it wasn't until I was. 833 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 3: Going to my senior senior year. 834 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: I was on All American and we went to it 835 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: was a playball All America and then you read a 836 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: stat or you read a little blurb of one of 837 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: the scouts. It was like, oh, yeah, Roome blah blah blah, 838 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: he could be a second round pick, and you were like, damn, 839 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: I could probably play it. 840 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: I was like you, I was just enjoying my college lifestyle. 841 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 3: I was just doing my thing. 842 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: And I think that to me that that's crazy to 843 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: think to not think that you two were as good 844 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: as you were at the respective schools that you went to. 845 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: And I went to a I don't want to say 846 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: a terrible school, but we just didn't have a really 847 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 2: good program at the time, and that was the only 848 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 2: thing I thought about, was just like leaving school and 849 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: making it to the league and y'all had resources and 850 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 2: equipment and I mean y'all, just y'all had really good 851 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: programs and facilities. But it was just like, no, I 852 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: just I'm enjoying my time and I like where I 853 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 2: am and it's it's a good space, and like I 854 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: just couldn't. Yeah, just I'm it's weird, weird to me. 855 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: For me, I was always like, no matter what happens next, 856 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: it's not going to change what I'm doing today, Like 857 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm still going to go out and practice as hard 858 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: as I can, train as hard as I can. Like 859 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: it's different maybe now in the NIL space where you 860 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: need agents and you need people to contract advisors and 861 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: things like that. Back then, it was like I don't 862 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: even want to talk to any agents, Like I just 863 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: want to play as well as I can right now, 864 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and then we'll see what happens when it's 865 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: all said and done. But if I worry about what's 866 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: happening two three years from now, it might affect what 867 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, and I'm not going to focus 868 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: on being the best team at the night right right. 869 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 2: So one of the things that you and I have 870 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 2: in common, you had one winning season your entire time 871 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: in Cleveland. You came from a winning program at Wisconsin 872 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: or Wisconsin. Yeah, you have a winning season. You know 873 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 2: what a successful winning program looks like. And then you 874 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 2: come to Cleveland and then it's just lost after loss 875 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: after loss. How mentally tough was it to stay engaged 876 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 2: and still perform at a high level while still having. 877 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: A looking season. It's weird as a alignment, maybe similar 878 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: to being a dB that like, it doesn't really matter 879 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: what the score is. It doesn't really matter what your 880 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: record is. Like, I got to block that guy that 881 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs over there that wants to rip my quarterback 882 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: in half. I better help my buddy out back there, 883 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: because it's gonna get really ugly. And so I never 884 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: really looked at the score. Losing sucks, Don't get me wrong. 885 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: It was really really tough to be on all those 886 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: losing teams and to be in the game in the 887 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: fourth quarter when you're down by twenty and you're thinking 888 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: about situations like Okay, well we're in the two minute 889 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: drill for the last part of the game all fourth quarter. 890 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: But it was in my mind it was like, all right, 891 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: how do I handle this situation. I was always trying 892 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: to think about it like that rather than thinking about, oh, man, 893 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: doesn't this suck. I can't believe we're losing again. But 894 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: it did wear on me quite a bit, especially towards 895 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: the end, because we were kind of making a run 896 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: in the middle of my career when Brian Hoyer was 897 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: our quarterback, Kyle Shannon was our offensive coordinator. We went 898 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: seven and nine, we were in the playoff mix for 899 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: a little while, and then after that we just had 900 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: even worse season after worst season, and you saw that 901 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: I was getting close to ten eleven years in the NFL. 902 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: Looking at the roster, I don't think we're going to 903 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: do it, you know, And that one really kind of 904 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: wore on you, because as a competitor, I think you're 905 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: always convincing yourself, this is how we're going to win 906 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, right, You're going in that game with 907 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: confidence because that's how you have to be to get 908 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: the most out of yourself. We're gonna win the season. 909 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 1: That's why you trained so hard in the off season, right, 910 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: and so when you constantly are fooling yourself like that, 911 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: it wears on you after a while. 912 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: Did you ever think about not being in Cleveland? 913 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: I never did. There was a couple of times. There's 914 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times when teams had inquired about trading 915 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: for me, and there was rumors in the media. The 916 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: year the Broncos won the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning loss 917 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: has left tackle Ryan Clady, who was a Pro Bowler, 918 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: and everybody in Denver knew that they were Super Bowl contenders, 919 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: and so they were really trying hard. They almost had 920 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: a deal done right before the trade deadline to trade 921 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: for me. But I always loved Cleveland. I always felt 922 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: like I was a Cleveland or you know, my three 923 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: of my four kids are born there. It's the Midwest. 924 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: My dad's family's all from Ohio, and as soon as 925 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: I got there, like I mentioned, like, it just felt 926 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: like home to me. And I really wanted to always 927 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: be part of the turnaround because I thought that story 928 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: would be so special. 929 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: Did you because it kind of sounds like me I was. 930 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 2: I was born in Chicago, got drafted by Chicago all 931 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: my family and friends. I was born, you know, ten 932 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 2: minutes from the stadium. They all my relatives, They still 933 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 2: all my aunties, kem folks, they all still live in 934 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 2: the city. I played my twelve years. But I was 935 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 2: scared to leave because I got so comfortable. And then 936 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 2: when I finally went to clear excuse me, I finally 937 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: went to Charlotte, it was like a breath of fresh air, 938 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: and it was just like, man, I should have left 939 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: two years ago. I shouldn't have re upped. I should 940 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: have just hit free agency and just but and I 941 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: know we didn't have a good team, and I knew 942 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 2: we were in the rebuilt phase. But I was such 943 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 2: a staple guy and I just was I personally was scared. 944 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 2: I was comfortable. Do you think you were just too 945 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 2: comfortable and just didn't want to go. 946 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure that feeling comfortable is maybe part of it, 947 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: because feeling comfortable playing really high level football, like that's 948 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: what you want to do as a lineman. But also 949 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: I just felt a deep connection to the organization, and 950 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: I felt that I was like a servant to the 951 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: organization a little bit, where I want this thing to 952 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: turn around because it would mean so much to these people, 953 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: to these fans who I felt like had given me 954 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: a lot, and same thing with the organization. And so 955 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: even at the end, even like the last year year 956 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: and a half, when I just knew we weren't very good, 957 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: I put the perspective in my mind, like I can 958 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: be here helping these young dudes that maybe can be 959 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: the team that turns it around and wins a championship. 960 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: So that was sort of my motivation there right at 961 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: the end. I mean, we drafted Miles Garrett number one 962 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: overall my last season, and it was like, Okay, how 963 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: can I help him become the greatest defensive end in football? 964 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: How can I help Joel Botonio, who's my left guard? 965 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: How can I help David and Joku who is our 966 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: rookie tight end? Like I was thinking about, how can 967 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: I help those guys and build a foundation with culture, 968 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: with attitude, with leadership and showing these guys the right 969 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: way to be a professional that maybe then they're the 970 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: group turns it around, and then I can feel good 971 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: in my own little way like when they do win 972 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: it all, when they do turn it around, that I 973 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: was there in the beginning, made you made that your 974 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: mission exactly. I want to talk about you about your media. Yeah, 975 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: so you retire, you go straight into. 976 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 3: It, Like how was that transition, how did that happen 977 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 3: so fast? And ultimately how much did you like or 978 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 3: love it or hate it. 979 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: It's a little like the story of me getting into 980 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: my farm and Six Springs Farms. Like I didn't really 981 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: ever set out to be in the media. Yeah, most 982 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: people don't be a farmer. Yeah, it kind of found 983 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: me because when I retired, I didn't really have a 984 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: clear idea of what I wanted to do. I knew 985 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: I had a lot of interest and passions, but you're 986 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: not putting anything into all those when you're playing, because 987 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: you're putting every bit of energy that you have into 988 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: your job into being a great professional football player. But 989 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: my agent, Peter Schaeffer at the time kind of really 990 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: pushed me and encouraged me and said, hey, you know what, 991 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of me outlets that are asking 992 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: for you to just come out an audition, like there's 993 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: no pressure, just go out, do a couple of shows 994 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: and just see if you like it. And he always 995 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: gave me really good advice throughout my career. I had 996 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of trust in his opinion on things, and 997 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: so I was like, I might as well at least 998 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: go out there and take a few auditions and see 999 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: if I like because how do I know if I 1000 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: like or I don't like something unless I try it. Yeah, 1001 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 1: I like that? Did you like it? I did? Actually, 1002 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed it because I realized, like, 1003 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: as soon as I retired and I was away from 1004 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: the game, how much I love football, Which is kind 1005 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: of weird because when you're doing it, it's just such 1006 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: a grind. Every day is exactly the same, and you're 1007 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: you get in your routine and you're just grumpy a lot, 1008 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: especially you get older. But like it's comfortable. Yeah I'm 1009 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: grumpy and I'm comfortable. Just what you do, just how 1010 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: you do it. That's how you get it done. It's 1011 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: how you go out and practice and be the best 1012 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: version of yourself. But as soon as you're away from 1013 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: the game, you're like, man, I need football as a 1014 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: part of my life. Yes, I know coaching is not 1015 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: the answer because I want to have a little balance 1016 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: between work and life. I got these young kids, I 1017 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: got a farm, I got a lot of things I 1018 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: like to do, So how do I stay around the game? 1019 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: How do I still get an excuse to leave the 1020 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: family and go watch a game on the sideline? Yea, 1021 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: and media was the perfect outlet for that. 1022 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 3: It is. I just like it because it allows us 1023 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 3: to love the game, but it doesn't control our emotions 1024 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 3: with wins losses. 1025 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: Joe Thomas has had an amazing life, completely successful on 1026 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 2: the field off the field. If you had to pick 1027 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 2: four people that have helped you shaped you into the 1028 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 2: man you are today and you got your own personal 1029 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, who would those four people be. 1030 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: I'd say my dad first, right. He gave me the 1031 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: values that I still am trying to instill in my children, 1032 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: The relationship that we had, you know, the interests that 1033 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: I have being outside fishing, hunting, camping, like how to 1034 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: treat my kids, my family, how I'm trying try to 1035 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: be considerate and caring to the people around me, being 1036 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 1: a servant in my community. Those are things from my dad. 1037 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: George Warhop he was my offensive line coach that I 1038 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: had for a long time in Cleveland. Multiple head coaches, 1039 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: they always kept him because he was such a great 1040 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: offensive line coach. Really taught me a lot about like discipline, 1041 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: and structure and technique and the details, so I really 1042 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 1: owe a lot to him. I'd say my son, Jack, 1043 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: who has been a big part of just who I'm 1044 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: trying to become and trying to be as a father 1045 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: and making sure that I can give him the same 1046 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: type of upbringing that my dad gave to me. So 1047 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: that's three and four. I'd have to say my wife. 1048 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a legal answer. She was 1049 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: definitely my rock when I was playing, and she was 1050 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: the person that I leaned on when I was struggling 1051 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: mentally with the losses and the feelings sometimes of hopelessness 1052 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: that you get when you're on a team that's not 1053 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: doing very well. And she's also been a good balance 1054 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: when I'm like, go, go go, let's go, let's do this, 1055 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: let's do this, like I'm gonna take this job and 1056 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: take that job, and I'm gonna travel all over the 1057 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: place like doing media, and she's like, Hey, you're retired now. 1058 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: Your kids and your family they should be the priority. 1059 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: So make sure that you cut out plenty of time 1060 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: for them, because when you were playing, you didn't have 1061 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 1: that time to be able to spend with the family, 1062 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: and so make sure you do that right now and 1063 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: you don't over commit yourself to other things. 1064 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 3: Joe, what you brought up your wife and I love that. 1065 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 3: I want to know one piece of advice that she 1066 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,959 Speaker 3: did give you that sticks with you when you were 1067 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 3: struggling with some of the mental stuff and things of 1068 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 3: that nature. 1069 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,439 Speaker 1: She was really the one person that would say, hey, 1070 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: just talk to me about it. I don't have to 1071 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: solve your problems because I'm the problem solver. Like if 1072 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: she's got problems, she comes to me. She doesn't like 1073 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: that because I'm like, all right, let's fix this. All right, 1074 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do that. 1075 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 3: They don't want that. 1076 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so she saw she saw that I was 1077 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: the guy that was always trying to fix it and 1078 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: in this situation, it's not fixable. And maybe I needed 1079 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: to take her perspective sometimes on the problem of hey, 1080 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 1: just talk to me, Just allow the emotions to come out, 1081 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: tell me why it's making you feel that way, and 1082 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: then we don't have to say anything else. When it's 1083 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: all over, you're gona feel a lot better about it. 1084 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: And so just having that person that was always that 1085 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: that rock when you felt like you were sort of 1086 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: crumbling inside was really really important. 1087 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 3: That's all I like it. I like that. 1088 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,919 Speaker 2: Woy Joe, You're off the hot seat, baby, that's it. 1089 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 2: It wasn't too hot for he was. 1090 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't too bad. I can survive that. We're going 1091 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: to get some of that the Hall of Fame beef. 1092 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 1: They don't have to get you guys some because we 1093 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: raised one full blood Japanese Woggi beef. 1094 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 3: Nice. 1095 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: We raise American waggu that's like the A five stuff 1096 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: you pay like, yeah, fifty bucks an ounce for like 1097 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: at the Vegas steakhouses. Yeah yeah uh. And then we 1098 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: raise certified angus. So we raised some awesome, awesome, high 1099 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: quality animals and beef sticks jerky for the kids, Like yes, 1100 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: they go bananas. My wife puts them in their lunches 1101 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: and that's a good snack because it's so hard to 1102 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: get kids eat protein. That's what I've found. They all 1103 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: they want to do is eat chips, popcorn. 1104 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 3: Wasted is wasted calories, wasted couch. 1105 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: And the kids are all athletes, so it's like, hey, 1106 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: you need protein. It's a building block of the cell. 1107 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: Let's go, you know. And so we finally found that 1108 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: way that we can get that protein in throughout the day, 1109 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 1: and turns out we just had to buy them some 1110 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: pet cows and then we had to eat them. I 1111 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: like it. I like it. 1112 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 3: I like I appreciate that. We appreciate you. Understand why 1113 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 3: Pland loves you dog. I get it, bro hey man. 1114 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 3: All of our viewers and listeners out there, thank you 1115 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 3: for always tuning in, especially wherever you pick up your podcast. 1116 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 3: Continue to listen to us. 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