1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to boka F Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to bring to woke f Daily for 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: the very first time Corey Nathan. Corey Nathan is the 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: host of Talking Politics and Religion podcast and we first 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: got into a conversation on my other podcasts with my 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: friend wajahat Ali Democracy Ish And you know, often I 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: don't talk about religion. I don't talk about the mix 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: of religion and politics because I don't come from a 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: religious background. But I do understand how politics and our 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: policy and frankly the founding of this nation is wrapped 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: up in religiosity. I mean, for Fox's sake, we have 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: on our coins in God, we trust God, bless America. 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: We do all of these things reflexively and for people 15 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: who are like myself, who deem themselves more spiritual agnostic, 16 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: not subscribing to any organized religion. Getting into conversations with 17 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: folks who do subscribe to religion if it is not 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: a thoughtful, open minded conversation can end up in huge 19 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: squabbles and just everyone shutting down. That is not the 20 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: case with Corey Nathan and I have enjoyed joining his 21 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: podcast him joining now Woke f for the first time, 22 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: we get into an in depth conversation with regard to 23 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: how we engage, you know, rather than shut down with people, 24 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: we open up the conversation talking about the cruelty that 25 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: is being exhibited by Republicans who claim right Christian faith 26 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and yet their actions say otherwise and what that means. 27 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: And so I really hope, folks, that you enjoy this 28 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: conversation with Corey Nathan. I hope that you will check 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: out his podcasts, Talk in Politics and Religion pod. You 30 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: can follow him at Corey Nathan on all social media 31 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: platforms as well as his podcast. So I do hope 32 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: that you enjoy this conversation. Do let me know in 33 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: the comment sections below how it lands with you. I 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: always appreciate your feedback. It's no secret that the news 35 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: is horsepill hard to swallow. Thankfully, there's The Bituation Room 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: podcast hosted by comedian and commentator Francesca free Erntini for 37 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: a lighter take on the heavy stuff. 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Folks, I am very happy to welcome to 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: woke F Daily Corey Nathan, who is the host of 44 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: the podcast Talking Politics and Religion, who just has We've 45 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: had incredible conversations Corey on democracy Ish my other podcasts 46 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: on your own podcast, and I wanted to bring this 47 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: conversation to the woke a F audience. I love the 48 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: way that you are able to weave in religion politics 49 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: and just kind of give us a fifty thousand foot 50 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: view and then zero in on the contradictions, the many, 51 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: many contradictions that we see in our body politic today, 52 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: particularly at the hands of Republicans. The topic that I 53 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: kind of want to start off with today is one 54 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: that has really Corey been grading on me for the 55 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: last week or so since it's happened, which is Rondes 56 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: Santis and Greg Abbott in Texas playing political games with 57 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: human beings, most recently with Ronda Santis lying to a 58 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: group of migrants and then from Venezuela who were not 59 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: even in his state, putting them on chartered planes and 60 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: sending them to Martha's vineyard as a way to quote 61 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: unquote own the Libs. These are people, Corey, who profess 62 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: to be somehow children of God. I don't know what God, 63 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: but that's what they profess to be, These christo christo 64 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: fascist right, which is what I will refer to them as, 65 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: because I don't see what else you would refer to 66 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: their behavior as. When you see these images and these 67 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: examples of cruelty being normalized in our media and in 68 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: our politics. Cory, what comes up for you? Well, you 69 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: used a word at the beginning of your thoughts that 70 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: I think is key, and that word is human. I 71 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: think that this the actions that are taken on the 72 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: part of the Santis, in particular because i've I've watched 73 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: his stand up comedy routines. I don't know what else 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: you could call it. There he's like going on tour now, 75 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: he's going to other states, and he's brazenly proclaiming and 76 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: showing off his cruelty and and is celebrating it. And 77 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: I think the only way that you get there is 78 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: by numbing your sense of someone else's humanity, losing or 79 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: never having seen or never having acknowledged that this is 80 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: another human being. You know. I got to talk to 81 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: Wag and he had a really insightful way of describing 82 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: this whole Christian thing. This the way that someone liked 83 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: De Santis would use the name of God or Jesus 84 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: or his label of Christianity, and wash put it in 85 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: such way. He said, Jesus is his mascot. Jesus isn't 86 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: his lord? Wow, Jesus is his mascot, you know. And 87 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: and it's something very different. I mean, I you mentioned 88 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: that we were going to be talking about this, and 89 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: I've gotten into really heated conversations because to me, it's 90 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: very clear whether we're looking at Hebrew by and I 91 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: know not all of your audience are or of the 92 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: Judeo Christian background, but I do bring it up, not 93 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: to evangelize or anything like that, but because this is 94 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: this is supposed to be the word and the authority 95 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: that guides our morality, our ethic, you know. So I've 96 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: gotten too heated debates about Hey, listen, I know, I 97 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: know y'all prefer your socio political leaning is you know, 98 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: closed border, and you know they're only bringing the rapists 99 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: and the you know and seeing them seeing other humans 100 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: in another light, you know. But listen, this is the 101 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: word of God. When a foreigner resides among you in 102 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among 103 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: you must be treated as your native born, love them 104 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: as yourself. For you or foreigners, this is still true 105 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: even if you do book, don't buy the Bible. We 106 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: could take this statement and say, this is a virtue 107 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to see our neighbors a certain way, to see our 108 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: neighbors as ourselves. Because I know you know your your 109 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: parents are originally from Jamaica, Jamaica, right, so I'm sure 110 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: you can identify. I identify with it. We talked about 111 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: my grandmother arriving here at Ellis Island on March third, 112 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one. I was a foreigner. This is my story, 113 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: you know. And if Desantists can't see that, if Desantists 114 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: doesn't know his own family's history, we're happy to look 115 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: it up for him, just like we looked it up 116 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: for Donald fucking Trump or drump I should say, you know, 117 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: we're happy to look it up for you. You know 118 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: what it is, It's that what I've come to understand 119 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: is that there is no shaming the devil, right, there 120 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: is there is no there is no shaming of the devil. 121 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: And I say that because I believe that these people 122 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: are at have come to a place where they are 123 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: celebrating they're evil, Like you said, Ron de Santist is 124 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: on a tour, a toward the evil, right, a toward 125 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: the cruelty. But this isn't how the media is depicting this. 126 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: They are depicting what is happening and what continues to 127 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: happen with these migrants as political posturing, as opposed to 128 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: dehumanization and cruelty, as opposed to where is amnesty international? Right? 129 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: Where is the UN in terms of what laws against 130 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: humanity this country is breaking? These governors are breaking. And 131 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: so my question for you is, you know, one of 132 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: the major tenants of authoritarianism and fascism is to normalize violence, 133 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: is to normalize political violence and to normalize cruelty and 134 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: brutality in such a way that people begin to look 135 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: the other way. It's similarly that we've all when we 136 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: see headlines with regard to mass shootings, it's really only 137 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: the amount of people being gunned down at one time 138 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: that moves us. If it's for or less people we're like, oh, 139 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: isn't that sad? And we turn the page or we 140 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: turn the channel and we move about our day because 141 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: there's just been so many shootings. It's hard to shed 142 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: tears for all of them because you'd be crying all 143 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: day every day. So, but my question, Corey is when 144 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: we start to become desensitized to this level of cruelty, 145 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: what do you see as the long term impact on 146 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: our ability to have empathy and compassion and what that 147 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: does to our founding principles, whether or not we've ever 148 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: truly met them. At least each generation in some form 149 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: or fashion, has strived towards that. Yeah, I want to 150 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: hold out hope. I want to. I think one of 151 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: the ways that I've been able to continue in my 152 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: efforts is to hold out hope for individuals, to hold 153 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: out hope for other human beings, even for people who 154 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: are in that room where De Santis is giving his performances. 155 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: That there are other human beings that I think are 156 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: not beyond our reach. You know, I think that there 157 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: are folks. I've been thinking a lot about this Bible 158 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: study I went to. It was a Sunday school class 159 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: that we were going to for like ten fifteen years. 160 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: When I first became a Christian, first having kids was 161 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: called young marriages. And listen, I'm realistic. I think if 162 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: there were twenty twenty five of us in that room, 163 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: they're going to that class. I'm still friends with a 164 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: lot of them. I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking 165 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: that that entire room is persuadable. But you know what, 166 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: I do think that there's one or two or three 167 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: that are you know, and what does that look like? 168 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: So so what might be the question, But no, there 169 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: is a so what Because just as an example, and 170 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm kind of taking a left turn here, I live 171 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: in a district, a US Congress House district, California, twenty 172 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: seven that was decided by three hundred and thirty three 173 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: votes out of over three hundred and forty thousand people 174 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: who cast a vote, and Christy Smith lost that one, 175 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: but she's running again. So why do I think of 176 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: my son day school class and how is that connected? 177 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: Because if I can persuade one person from my old 178 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: Sunday school class, that means Christy wins this time. And 179 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly a suburban college educated women in particular, that 180 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: is exactly the content constituency that's that's in a swing. 181 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: So if I can convince you know, my friend Margaret, like, hey, 182 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, I think we got it wrong on this 183 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: immigrant thing. I think we you know, I know that 184 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: we're rooting. We're always trained to root for the Red, 185 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: root for the Republicans. We're always training to vote. Don't think, 186 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: just vote and vote the way you know our people. 187 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: You know, no, no, no no, no, it's time to think. 188 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: It's time to think why. Because loving the Lord your 189 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: God involves loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, 190 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: mind and strength. So let's think. So I'm talking to 191 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Margaret right now, and I'm saying we got this. You know, 192 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Trump separated children from their parents, and we're still having 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: to clean up the mess. You know. Uh, De Santis 194 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: and Abbott are are making it about own the lives. 195 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: So to them, it's not about any philosophy, it's not 196 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: about any theological premises that they're basing it on. It's 197 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: based on this worldview that everything is a contest that 198 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: they have to win. They've identified the enemy, and the 199 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: enemy is anybody outside of a particular cult, that cult 200 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: being anyone who's going to bow down to the golden 201 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: statue of Nebuchadnezzar, a modern day Nemicadnezzar. I eat Trump, 202 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, or or that Trump is m if you will, 203 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: even if you want to take Trump out of the equation, 204 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: this Trump is M because that's what that's what DeSantis 205 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: is trying to do. He's trying to do his bad 206 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: imitation of Trump. But maybe he's a little bit more 207 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: polite about it. Bullshit, he's not polite. He's sending he's 208 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: he's forgetting about the humanity of human beings, and and 209 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: he's he's tricking them into going thousands of miles away 210 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: after they've already been on a thousand mile journey. You know. 211 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: So I think that it's one it's one area where 212 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: we might defer because, like I said, I want to 213 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: hold out hope, even for maybe not de Santis himself, 214 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: but for people in that room, because I think one 215 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: or two or three are persuadable not to get on, 216 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: you know, not not to start carry protest signs and 217 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, be full on board with um with you know, 218 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: democratic activists, and you know, I don't think that's that's 219 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: the case. But I think if we can if we 220 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: can persuade even one degree, one percent, you know, one 221 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: person out of that room, just to just to cast 222 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: one vote for a person who believes in our democratic institutions, 223 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: who understands that this time. I know you've always voted 224 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: a Republican and you think that's the Christian thing to do. 225 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm a Christian, I'm a conservative, and I'm voting proudly 226 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: for a Democrat because no matter how much I disagree 227 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,239 Speaker 1: with Christy on certain fiscal issues, uh, we we agree 228 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: that democracy itself is at stake. So yeah, sorry to 229 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: go on so long, but again I think I would 230 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: just I just want to hold out hope for some 231 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: of those something, not just for the folks in that room, 232 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: but that that circle gets wider, because there are some 233 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: folks who are just sort of um, they don't want 234 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: to talk about it, they don't they don't want to 235 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: think about it, and they're just kind of getting carried 236 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: away with this wave. But but you know, loving the 237 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind 238 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: and strength requires us to really think through this stuff, 239 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: to really think through are we worshiping a god? Or 240 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: are we faithful to even taking God in Christianity had 241 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the question out of the equation for a second. But 242 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: are we faithful to what we know to be true 243 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: and right to what we know to be good virtues? 244 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Are we being faithful to that? Or are we sending 245 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: all that aside because we happen to be on a 246 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: team that wears these red hats. And part of being 247 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: wearing red hats means that it's okay to be cruel. 248 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: It's it's it's winning to be cruel, you know. So, yeah, yeah, no, 249 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: but that you know that. But that's the thing, is 250 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: that the reason why I love our conversations is because 251 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: there has to be some other way to persuade people 252 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: to tap in to their shared humanity. There has to 253 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: be a way to open up people's eyes to the 254 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: fact that the zero sum game means that they lose 255 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: as well, right, that there is no way to put 256 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: on that red hat and to for instance, deny the 257 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: existence of climate change as you're standing in front of 258 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: trumbling infrastructure, your home and community being hit once again 259 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: by raging floods and fires, and to think that like 260 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: you're going to continue to vote against your best interests, 261 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: you don't have, you don't have to carry a protest 262 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: sign right to understand that taking care of the land, 263 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: the water, the environment, and the air should be a 264 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: principle of the very religion that you are touting as 265 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: a reason you are against so many other people, so 266 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: many other issues. And so I'm wondering, Corey, like, have 267 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: we just has the tribalism just consume so many minds 268 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: that we have, because this has always been a part 269 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: to me of republicanism, which is the demonization of education, 270 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: the demonization of what it means to have an open mind, 271 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: right to ask questions, to critically think. And so, you know, 272 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: is there a way do you see that there is 273 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: a way that we break through the tribalism, this red 274 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: web that has fallen across this country that we call 275 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Trumpism now that we are all trapped in, whether or 276 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: not we are subscribing to it or not, we're all 277 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: trapped inside of this red web. Is there a way 278 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: to break out by appealing to people's humanity when they 279 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: are being indoctrinated to dehumanize and applaud the humiliation and 280 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: the cruelty being expressed onto other people. Yeah, yeah, and listen, 281 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: there is a place to fight. There's a place for 282 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: I prefer non violent resistance, but resistance nonetheless, and resistance 283 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: as a means of fighting a good fight, you know, 284 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: and getting in good trouble as as the late Representative 285 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: Lewis would say, you know, but I think so there's 286 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: a place for fighting, But I also think there's a 287 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: place for bridge building. Now what does that look like? 288 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't It doesn't look like getting into a thread 289 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter with somebody, does that? You know? I'll tell you, 290 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going out for beers tomorrow night with 291 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: this guy. I've been friendly with him because I've played 292 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: poker with him a bunch and we stayed in touch. 293 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how magnified he is until he invited 294 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: me to a game. And first thing I see in 295 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: his garage is this huge locker, a gunrack, you know, 296 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: like a huge gun locker. Um. I think I'd like 297 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: to think that he's a responsible gun owner. But he's 298 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: one of these guys from the mindset of we might 299 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: have talked about this last time, but of the come 300 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: and take them kind of mindset. Yep, yep, yep. You know. So, 301 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to convince my buddy Darren to become 302 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, a social justice warrior. But I do think 303 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: that if we if we go out for beers and 304 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: there'll be some sort of connection that all of a sudden, 305 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm not just some you know, some guy that he's 306 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: getting in a spat with and contesting with on Twitter 307 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: or Facebook or whatever. I'm a human being, you know, 308 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: and and but also he's a human being to me, 309 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: you know, And I can understand if I if I 310 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: seek to understand what what's behind the big gun rack, 311 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: what's behind his feeling about that, I might be able 312 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: to we might be able to get underneath to something 313 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: that does we do hold in common? For example, his 314 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: concern for his family, His concern for his family and 315 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: wanted to keep his family safe, and we share that, 316 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, how how we what's derived from that, and 317 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: how we act and decisions that we make are obviously 318 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: very different, but there's an underlying value that we share. 319 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: So I think maybe making that connection and understanding that connection, 320 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not gonna turn him around one hundred 321 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: and eighty degrees, but I think there's one or two things, 322 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: one or two ingredients that I can throw in the 323 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: mix where I'll give you an example we were have 324 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: an extended conversation about January sixth, and he referred to 325 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: guys who storm the capitol as ass hats. I'm like, okay, good, 326 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: we're making some progress. Yeah, at the very least they 327 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: were ass hats. But then he quickly diverted the conversation to, yeah, 328 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: but where was your outrage when you know people were 329 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: storm Seattle in Portland and you know all those people. 330 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, these two things are not related. 331 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: So if we're going to address one, we'll address it. 332 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: But these two things are not related. But if you 333 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: want to talk about it, let's talk about the fact 334 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: that we're a year and a half, almost two years 335 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: past January sixth, there hasn't even been a thousand arrests yet. 336 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, there's been so much process. So 337 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: some people are just you know, got a got a 338 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: minimal fine. But some people who are beating, trying to 339 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: beat cops to death and stab them to death, Yes, 340 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: they're in jail deservedly so. But you know, you know what, 341 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: we're a year and a half, two years out and 342 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: still not even a thousand arrests. Fourteen thousand arrests within 343 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: two weeks after George Floyd's Floyd's murder, So we talked 344 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: about that, you know, and I think, I think again, 345 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: he wasn't thoroughly convinced. He didn't want to join the 346 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: next protest march, you know, but I think he understood 347 00:21:53,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: the depravity frankly, and trying to connect these two things, 348 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: the seditiousness. What's the word I'm looking for. It's like toxic, 349 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: It's like poison, and he bought the poison. He took 350 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: that bill, you know. So I can't convince him of everything, 351 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: but I can help him. I can understand him a 352 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: little bit better and and honor the values, honor him 353 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: as a human being, even if we've arrived at very 354 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: different conclusions, you know. And that gives me. It's like 355 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: the ticket that I have to buy in order to 356 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: persuade him just a little bit on one thing, you know, 357 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: and our relationship I think is going to bear fruit. 358 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: Not that I need him to agree with me on everything, 359 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: but just if nothing else, that he can see the 360 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: humanity in that what we were originally talking about, in 361 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: the human beings that that fled, violence that fled. You know. 362 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: It's not like they wanted to leave their homes. It's 363 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: not like they wanted to leave their business. But that's 364 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: the That's the thing that I think is consistently lost, 365 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: right is, and particularly around our broken and purposefully broken 366 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: immigration system, where we are assuming that people have this 367 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: deep desire to flee everything that they have known, everyone 368 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: that they have loved, with a frigging knapsack on their back, 369 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: that being it, and going off into a land of 370 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: people that you know half of at least hate you, 371 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: right have been trained to literally hate you. You've seen 372 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: images of people at the border, and yet you are 373 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: compelled by virtue of just the desire to have safety 374 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: to do just that, to make that journey, and so 375 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: like is there and the thing to me again, go 376 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: back last I don't even know, Yeah, I guess it 377 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: was last year when we had fourteen thousand Haitians at 378 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: the border that were being beaten on horseback by border patrol. 379 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: The images were all over the place. Biden's cooped up 380 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: fourteen thousand Haitians and sent them back to Haiti, to 381 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: political violence, to unrelenting COVID, all of these things. Literally 382 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: in the same month, welcomed in one hundred thousand Ukrainians. 383 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: No one bats an eyelash. Oh my god, we had 384 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: changed our social media avatars to Ukrainian flags and do 385 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: all these things. So my question, Corey is how how 386 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: do you go about having conversations about the clear, the 387 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: clear distinctions between who we see as human, who we 388 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: can align ourselves with, and be like, oh my god, 389 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: look at that mother with that abandoned stroller. Look at 390 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: those people, you know with just their backpacks. There's the same. 391 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: Their skin color is different, their language is different, the 392 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: desire for safety and freedom is not. So how do 393 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: we can how do we get to that? There? There? Yeah, 394 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: that's a quadra to say the least. You know, I 395 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: think when we see folks that look different than us, 396 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: that maybe have a different religion than us, you know, 397 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: I see the fault in myself, you know, I see. 398 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: I was I was watching this old Bugs Bunny cartoon 399 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: and the portrayal of an Asian character. Oh, I see 400 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: it now, I'm like, oh, oh my god, Like these 401 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: are the cartoons that I was watching, And I wasn't 402 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: even aware of the caricatures that that that we're getting 403 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: emblazoned into my own mind, it's my own imagination. Until 404 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: I had a friend this wonderful woman. She's one of 405 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: those like fuck you friends like I don't but she's like, 406 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: fuck you, Corey. And and I love her to death. 407 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Her name is Helen, but she she like she's like, 408 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: she's one of those people whose whose love language is 409 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: punching you in the face. She's she's, um, you know, 410 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: she's an Asian woman. Uh. And and she's she's educated me, 411 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: she's taught me. She's she's opened my eyes. There's a blindness, 412 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: and I think in a way, there's there's a deadness. 413 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: You know. I wasn't even alive, My soul wasn't even 414 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: alive to these these blind spots that I had, you know, 415 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: until I had a wonderful friend who opened up my 416 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: eyes to it. I'm thankful for Helen. Well, now, listen, 417 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: we still disagree on some things. We've got a really, 418 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: really a fight about a year ago about I was 419 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: trying to make a comment about freedom of expression, freedom 420 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: of speech. Um, I used a bad example because it 421 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: was too it was too tenuous. I'm not even gonna 422 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: bring up the example, but it was the wrong example 423 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: because it was part of my point, because I felt 424 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: that the freedom of speech, if we really believe in 425 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: that isn't tested when we agree with what the speech 426 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: is all about. But I think I used an example 427 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: that wasn't like one step outside of her of Helen's 428 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: belief system. It was so far outside of her belief system. 429 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: It was just a wrong example. And then our our 430 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: argument became about the example itself. I'll just say what 431 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: I used, Chappelle's stand up the Closer. Oh, yep, yep. 432 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: So it was so far beyond the pale for Helen. 433 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: She couldn't get past that if I use if I used, 434 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: like somebody, the freedom of speech, I don't know. I 435 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: was trying to make a point. It wasn't a great 436 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: point because so far beyond the pale for her, you 437 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: know so, But it helped me to learn. It helped 438 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: me to learn, you know, how to make a better 439 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: argument if I want to make an argument about the 440 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. It helped me to learn, I have 441 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: to respect certain folks boundaries. I have to respect certain folks, 442 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, what is beyond the pale for them if 443 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: I want to stay in the conversation. So I'm not 444 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: going to say it was a good argument. I'd rather 445 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: not have gotten into it. I'd rather have learned some 446 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: of the lessons that I learned in a less contentious way. 447 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: But I did. I did learn a lot about that, 448 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess again. I come back around 449 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: to having having friends in our life that are different 450 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: from us, having people in our lives that can teach 451 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: us and open our eyes to things that we didn't 452 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: see that. I don't know any other way. 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I 471 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: say I say that you know seriously, because there are 472 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: you know and the last question I want to ask 473 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: you about before I get there, I say that there 474 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: are people that are desperate for information, that want the truth, 475 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: and I just want people to understand that politicians are 476 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: going to the extreme to say that no, you shouldn't 477 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: read this book. We're gonna burn it, we're gonna ban it. 478 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, these are the tenants of how authoritarianism 479 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: and fascism take hold. Education is and the freedom of 480 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: education is the first place that they go to. So 481 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: for those people who may live in community, don't who 482 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: don't live in you know, particularly diverse communities, whether it 483 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: be culturally, linguistically, you know, racially, and so they're the 484 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: only way for them to build that bridge of understanding 485 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: that you're saying is to begin to try and educate themselves. 486 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: But then I'm going to my library or I'm enrolling 487 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: in my kids in school, and I can't get those things. 488 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: I can't you, I can't access those tools because those 489 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: tools are being kept from me. That's the that's the 490 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: extreme of where we are. But my last question for you, 491 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: Corey is this, there are a lot of people you know, 492 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: over the particularly since the insurrection, so you know, we're 493 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: we're coming up on two years, Like you said, since 494 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: since the insurrection that lost that have lost a lot 495 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: of family and friends that have lost the ability to 496 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: come to the table and have communication UM and have 497 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: thrown up their hands right, Donald Trump magasm Trump is 498 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: M has been the most successfully divisive tools and strategies 499 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: UM that this country has ever seen. And it has 500 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: divided families, it has divided friendships, It's divided entire communities. 501 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 1: And so my question to you for you know, for 502 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: people that listen to this show, who they are one 503 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: of those people that they are like, I'm done, and 504 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: there are certain people that you need to be done with. 505 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: But then there are those like you're saying that maybe 506 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: all is not lost, right, what advice do you give 507 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: them in terms of how one decides to even go 508 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: back to a table that's been overturned right a table 509 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: that has been flipped. What advice do you give to 510 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: people who still say, you know what, I want to 511 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: keep trying or I want to try again right to 512 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: reach who I thought was unreachable. Yeah. So I think 513 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: it's a great question, and I think having that goal 514 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: is a step number one. Having that disposition is a 515 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: good way to go. Giving yourself permission to mess up 516 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: is really important, you know, giving your self permission to 517 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: have a bad conversation, but to still be committed to 518 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: come back around to it, you know, So give because 519 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: because you're going to revisit it with a friend and 520 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: something's going to come up and it's just gonna be 521 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: you can't do it anymore, you know, And like it 522 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: happens to me all the time where I just lose 523 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: my shit, like I just I can't, like I mess 524 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: it up, but I'm committed to continuing the conversation and 525 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: trying again and getting better, you know. So I would 526 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: say that one thing is, you know, I had a 527 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: conversation my middle kid, I have twenty one, nineteen and 528 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: seventeen year old. Nineteen year old, when vaccines first became available, 529 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: he took a weight and see approach. But because he 530 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: was waiting, he got beat up by a bunch of 531 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: other people in our family and friends, and I was 532 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: one of them. I was like, dude, what are you 533 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: fucking stupid? Like, just get the damn shot, you know. 534 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: But because of that, being the nineteen year old boy 535 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: that he is, he just decided to screw you. I'm 536 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: now I'm definitely not getting it, you know. So I 537 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: stayed in the relationship. He still hasn't gotten his vaccines. 538 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: But I knew that I lost the privilege of having 539 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: that conversation with him because I was one of the 540 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: ones that was beating him up. I was dog ponding 541 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: on the rabbit, you know, So what do you do? 542 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: I just want to stay in the relationship with the kid, 543 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: and maybe we could talk about welding, which is his trading. 544 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Maybe we could talk about I love the Mets. Let's 545 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: talk about the Mets. You know, stay in the game, 546 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: you know, just stay in a conversation, talk about everything else. 547 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you gotta still get back, gotta get 548 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: back around to the big important things. But I didn't 549 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: get him to get the vaccine. But we were going 550 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: on a family outing with three other families and he 551 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: did submit to getting a test, you know, so that 552 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: was something at least he acknowledged. Yeah, this thing is 553 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: actually real. It's not made up by the fake media. 554 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: It's actually real. And you know what, could you at 555 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: least get a test before you join the rest of us. 556 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: There's there was one or two people that were immunity immunocompromised. 557 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: He's like, all right, so again, like I didn't get 558 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: him to get the shot, but like even him acknowledging that, yes, 559 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: there is a pandemic, there is a disease. It is real, 560 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: and I'll get the test. You know, any tested negative, 561 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: thank god. And you know it was it was it 562 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: made it. It was a compromise that everybody made. But 563 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: that's just an example of like, stay in the conversation, recognize, 564 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: and give yourself permission to mess up, you know, and 565 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: maybe you just got to talk about the METS for 566 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: a while before you get back to politics and religion, 567 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: you know. But eventually, I think what earned my right 568 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: back into that conversation was acknowledging with Jackie Boy, the 569 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: older of the two boys, that I messed up and 570 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and uh, you know it gave it gave 571 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: me the open door to revisit it. And even though 572 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: he didn't do what I wanted him to do, he 573 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: like came once step in my direction, you know, to 574 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: what I think is good for him, frankly, and good 575 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: for everybody else around him. So I don't know that 576 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: that's not it's not an entire book. It's not you know, 577 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: here's here's the ten Steps to. But it's just an illustration, 578 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: a short story to illustrate how how you can do 579 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: this thing. We can do it better, we can do 580 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: it better, and we should try. We should definitely try. 581 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: Corey Nathan, thank you so much for making the time 582 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: to join Woke f folks. His podcast is Talking Politics 583 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: and Religion pod. You must check it out. There are 584 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: great conversations I've been on, My friend Wajahat has been on, 585 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: many other people have been on, So do check Cory 586 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: out and follow the pod and follow Cory Nathan. Appreciate 587 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: you friend, Danielle. I love hanging out with you. We 588 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: definitely have to do this in person and Whiskey is 589 00:36:52,640 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: definitely going to be involved. It will be that is 590 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: it for me to day. Folks on Woke app as 591 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: always Power to the people and to all the people power, 592 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.