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Speaker 2: Man welcome back, George Norry along with John Miler. John
Speaker 2: is a published author of a number of books and
Speaker 2: is mostly known for his pioneering research in the field
Speaker 2: of Christian eufology now that happens to be a combination
Speaker 2: of ancient astronaut theory and End Times prophecy. He has
Speaker 2: been a paranormal researcher for more than thirty years. His
Speaker 2: interest in understanding the paranormal began at five years old
Speaker 2: after he heard his great grandmother's tale of seeing a
Speaker 2: UFO over one hundred years ago. His great grandmother's tale
Speaker 2: is unique because she was the wife of a minister
Speaker 2: for sixty years. This story, and many other other worldly
Speaker 2: encounters to his family at fueled Miler's request and request
Speaker 2: re understand a wide variety of paranormal phenomenon from a
Speaker 2: Christian point of view. John, welcome back. Have you been.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much for having me back on
Speaker 3: the show. I've been doing really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You were last on a couple of years ago and
Speaker 2: did a great job for us.
Speaker 3: Hey, Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Twenty twenty one was a
Speaker 3: big year and all the things that we're going on,
Speaker 3: you know, during the middle of the pandemic. And then
Speaker 3: I saw the you know, the news segment and they're
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, looting in Walmartin. Then they squeeze
Speaker 3: this little thing in about UAPs and the Navy finally
Speaker 3: coming clean and saying, we don't know what it is
Speaker 3: a huge one eighty there, and then you know, back
Speaker 3: to riots over in the streets, you know, and it's like,
Speaker 3: wait a second, rewind that, yeah, and all the other
Speaker 3: things that were going on at the time, and you know,
Speaker 3: hearing reports about people in the Pentagon freaking out saying
Speaker 3: that they're demons, and I'm like, wait a minute. I
Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of Christians that are getting
Speaker 3: read into the file and they're confused and freaking out,
Speaker 3: and we thinking they have to like not be a
Speaker 3: tri anymore. And that was why it's stimulated to write
Speaker 3: this latest book, you know, update my research and get
Speaker 3: it out there, because I wanted these people to know
Speaker 3: you don't have to abandon your faith just because ets
Speaker 3: are real, and in fact, the Bible makes a lot
Speaker 3: more sense when you understand how integrated the greater reality
Speaker 3: and you UFOs and the nature of our existence. I
Speaker 3: think it really is.
Speaker 2: The Catholic Church is beginning to understand that now too, John,
Speaker 2: aren't they Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, they do. They've come out with some information about
Speaker 3: you know, like, hey, yeah, it's probably you know, part
Speaker 3: of God's creation, pretty simplistic to you, of course, talking
Speaker 3: about how it integrates with a strong delusion that's coming
Speaker 3: in the future. The fact that the an event in
Speaker 3: the future known as the Rapture of the Church is
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be an actual mass alien abduction.
Speaker 3: But it'll be a total twist because the people abducting
Speaker 3: us are not going to be hostile. They're going to
Speaker 3: be rescuing us out of this planet, and the rest
Speaker 3: of the planet's going to interpret that as a hostile
Speaker 3: alien invasion. So it's kind of a radical twist.
Speaker 2: Give us your definition, John, of a Christian eufologist.
Speaker 3: So I stick to being a Christian, but I also
Speaker 3: pull from a lot of that ancient astronaut research and
Speaker 3: the research in the UFO field in general. But when
Speaker 3: it comes to the fundamentals of a believer, for example,
Speaker 3: I do not believe aliens seated humanity. I believe that
Speaker 3: God created Adam from the dust of the earth, just
Speaker 3: as it says in Genesis two seven. I believe in
Speaker 3: the identity of God as Creator, and that he's the
Speaker 3: one who created humanity, and that other worldly beings have
Speaker 3: been trying to to destroy God's identity for a very
Speaker 3: long time. So that's one of the key differences between
Speaker 3: Christian euthology and neu apology in general.
Speaker 2: What happened a long time ago with your sister that
Speaker 2: kind of peaked your interest in the paranormal?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I got a lot of crazy stories in
Speaker 3: my family. We're just sort of surrounded by ex file
Speaker 3: type stuff. But this one story that happened with my
Speaker 3: sister back in the early eighties is just one of
Speaker 3: those really interesting ones because it could be like a
Speaker 3: bunch of different things. You don't really know. It's hard
Speaker 3: to put your finger on it. I have a suspicion
Speaker 3: that this was an angel. However, she used to live
Speaker 3: for a short period of time on an island in
Speaker 3: the middle of Mississippi. It was completely off grid, no phone,
Speaker 3: and they had a generator for electricity, and they lived
Speaker 3: in a little shack next to a hunting lodge, and
Speaker 3: they were like caretakers. So during the off season, they
Speaker 3: were like isolated on this island. There was only one
Speaker 3: other person on this island five miles away, so the
Speaker 3: island was five miles long or five miles wide eight
Speaker 3: miles long. They were on the southern end of the
Speaker 3: island and this other guy was on the like the
Speaker 3: northern end of the island, so they were on opposite
Speaker 3: ends of the island. That was their only neighbor. You
Speaker 3: had to take a ferry to get to the island
Speaker 3: and then attractor to their house. So talk about isolate.
Speaker 3: They did not give visitors. And late one night in
Speaker 3: the winter, it was snowing outside and my sister was
Speaker 3: in the kitchen cooking and her husband was sitting on
Speaker 3: the couch cleaning a rifle and he had it broken
Speaker 3: down in all the pieces. And suddenly the door opened
Speaker 3: up and a guy walked into the middle of the
Speaker 3: living room, and he said he was maybe a six
Speaker 3: foot tall guy, white dude, blond hair, blue eyes, and
Speaker 3: he had this military looking uniform on. It was like
Speaker 3: a bluish color. And he remembered seeing his shoes were
Speaker 3: almost like really shiny, spit polished light immaculate, which makes
Speaker 3: no sense, because that's Mississippi mud outside, you know, average
Speaker 3: two to three inches thick, and your feet will get
Speaker 3: stuck in it. It's hard to walk in. But this
Speaker 3: guy's shoes were spotless, and he just walked right in
Speaker 3: and they were like, wait a second. The door was locked,
Speaker 3: and there were dogs sleeping in front of the door.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is is that this guy, who was
Speaker 3: perfectly sentient, he looked around the room kind of like
Speaker 3: taking stock of where he's at, and then realized he
Speaker 3: was not in the right place, and he smiled at
Speaker 3: my brother in law kind of like with this goofy smile,
Speaker 3: like whoops, and he waved at him. Then he turned
Speaker 3: around and walked back out the door, and my sister
Speaker 3: hurt something and she poked her head around the corner
Speaker 3: just in time to see the get back of the
Speaker 3: guy's leg go through the door and shut the door
Speaker 3: as she turned and looked at James, and James was
Speaker 3: like he just couldn't even move. He was white as
Speaker 3: a ghost and his hands were trembling, and suddenly he
Speaker 3: leaped off of the couch and ran across the room,
Speaker 3: went to open the door. It was locked, and then
Speaker 3: he did unlock it, and he had to shove it
Speaker 3: open because the dogs were up against the door and
Speaker 3: this guy was gone. I mean, it was no trace
Speaker 3: of him. And my sister started screaming like she just
Speaker 3: totally lost it, you know, since the reality unglued, and
Speaker 3: they talked about it for a while, like what what
Speaker 3: was that? And I kind of get this feeling like
Speaker 3: maybe he was an angel sent there to change the
Speaker 3: tide of the war or something, because this island was
Speaker 3: heavily contented during the Civil War, and like maybe he
Speaker 3: showed up and got the wrong dates or something. And
Speaker 3: it's like, look, I don't know how to explain it,
Speaker 3: but he did act like this there was some sort
Speaker 3: of cosmic mistake and didn't about face and walked right
Speaker 3: back out. And they never figured it out. I mean
Speaker 3: they looked for footprints. I mean, he just dearly vanished
Speaker 3: into thin air.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He seemed friendly, He seemed friendly, he seemed sentient. He
Speaker 3: totally looked like a physical, normal human being. But the
Speaker 3: things that don't add up is the fact that he
Speaker 3: opened that door, you know, when it just wouldn't open,
Speaker 3: and so there was sort of non physical characteristics and
Speaker 3: he was his uniform was spotless, so he basically appeared
Speaker 3: at that door and was able to walk through it,
Speaker 3: and they couldn't figured any of that out. They experienced
Speaker 3: other weird things on that island too, like phantom explosions
Speaker 3: that they had no idea what that was, you know,
Speaker 3: like a bomb went off and shook the ground and
Speaker 3: they're like looking around and didn't know what, you know,
Speaker 3: what's that? But the island was probably haunted also because
Speaker 3: there was a lot of people that were killed there
Speaker 3: during the Civil War. But on this occasion, you know,
Speaker 3: this guy is showing up, They didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2: Do you really think he made a mistake going to
Speaker 2: the wrong place or do you think that was just part.
Speaker 1: Of the bit.
Speaker 3: I don't know honestly, Like was he a time traveler
Speaker 3: or was he a ghost or was he an alien
Speaker 3: you know, trying to fit in to a Civil war
Speaker 3: time period? But then showed up and was like, wait
Speaker 3: a second, this is not the right time or place.
Speaker 3: Maybe the right place, but not the right time something
Speaker 3: like that, because his behavior was just bizarre, you know,
Speaker 3: like he realized he made a mistake. And so I
Speaker 3: wrote an article on that event and called it Angel's
Speaker 3: unawares or unaware Angel.
Speaker 2: A lot of people believe the UFO phenomenon John is demonic.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: So when I wrote my first book on this genre
Speaker 3: many years ago, like over twenty years ago, I wrote
Speaker 3: Aliens in the Bible, and I primarily believed it was demonic.
Speaker 3: Something in my gut told me it was related to
Speaker 3: something the Bible refers to as a strong delusion. In
Speaker 3: Second Thessalonians, chapter two, it talks about becoming of the
Speaker 3: lawless one, and it's referring to this Antichrist. And it
Speaker 3: used to really plague me when I was a kid, like,
Speaker 3: how in the world is this guy going to deceive
Speaker 3: the whole planet? That just makes no sense. I mean
Speaker 3: he's straight up predicted how he's gonna act. I think
Speaker 3: he's gonna say his characteristic you know, activities he's going
Speaker 3: to do. And yet people are gonna believe him. People
Speaker 3: from all walks of life are going to follow this guy.
Speaker 3: And always just like, how can people be so dumb?
Speaker 3: I mean I don't get it. So there was that right,
Speaker 3: and so I used to think it has to be
Speaker 3: something so out and left field that it can sort
Speaker 3: of kind of undercut a bunch of different religions all
Speaker 3: at the same time, sort of like disapproving that they're
Speaker 3: all wrong. It has to be this other thing, and
Speaker 3: Jeffo's kind of fit the bill for that in a
Speaker 3: way they sort of subtly support. But today today they
Speaker 3: sort of subtlely support evolution. And that's where like the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church would would probably disagree. That's definitely where I disagree,
Speaker 3: But a lot of people would say because they're scientifically oriented,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking when you think about aliens and outer space,
Speaker 3: and they're scientists and you're studying us and doing experiments
Speaker 3: and stuff, that kind of dovetails over into evolution, which
Speaker 3: basically dismisses God from the equation. So that's why I
Speaker 3: thought that they had something to do with a strong delusion.
Speaker 3: And then I also heard about these accounts, you know,
Speaker 3: these things they abduct people, they're not being ethical, taking
Speaker 3: people against their will, subjecting them to these horrible experiences
Speaker 3: and stuff. And then also the fact that people have
Speaker 3: called on the name of Jesus and that usually makes
Speaker 3: them return people quickly. So there's these strong indications that
Speaker 3: there's definitely something demonic here. However, that's not the full picture.
Speaker 3: And as years went on, I did more and more research,
Speaker 3: and I saw the other side of the coin, like
Speaker 3: the fact that what's an angelic chariot Ezekiel chapter one
Speaker 3: to ten. This is clearly another worldly spacecraft. In Second
Speaker 3: King's chapter two, verse eleven, and in Chronicles chapter twenty
Speaker 3: eight talks about how Alike went up in a chariot
Speaker 3: like this thing literally beamed him up. Then you have
Speaker 3: all of these other scriptures about routine abductions of Elijah.
Speaker 3: Enoch was taken up, he was translated in Genesis five
Speaker 3: twenty four, the apostle Philip was taken up, Act eight
Speaker 3: thirty eight or thirty nine. And then these clouds of
Speaker 3: glory and an entire fleet of angelic angels that completely
Speaker 3: like hypnotized an entire army in Second Kings chapter six.
Speaker 3: And that giant Ufo, the mothership that led Israel through
Speaker 3: the Red Sea and set them for forty years, this
Speaker 3: giant column, this cylindrical thing in the sky taking care
Speaker 3: of them Nehemiah chapter nine, verse twelve, Exodus chapter thirteen.
Speaker 3: So there's all these other scriptures about faithful angels and
Speaker 3: their association with otherworldly technology. So there's good guys too.
Speaker 3: So now I've kind of come back off of the
Speaker 3: you know, it's all demonic, and now I'm over into
Speaker 3: the camp of there is a demonic element, and there's
Speaker 3: definitely a demonic element coming in the future, but good
Speaker 3: guys are going to be involved too.
Speaker 2: And they're going to be Yeah, is it a sign
Speaker 2: of end times prophecy?
Speaker 3: It is. Jesus specifically said, as it was in the
Speaker 3: days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming
Speaker 3: of the days of the Son of Man. So he
Speaker 3: singled out the days of Noah. Now, if you go
Speaker 3: back to the days of Noah, that's Genesis chapter six.
Speaker 3: That's a huge, huge red flag for people who study
Speaker 3: UFOs and ets because that's when the sons of God,
Speaker 3: the Watchers Aniola scheme. Samerians referred to them as the Ananachy.
Speaker 3: That's when they came down and integrated with human society
Speaker 3: and made it with us and actually had hybrid children
Speaker 3: that are called the Nephelin. The big difference between the
Speaker 3: Samerian narrative on that is that they pass themselves as
Speaker 3: the good guys and the heroes and their weird version
Speaker 3: that in Lille brought the flood of Noah because you
Speaker 3: couldn't sleep, you know, so, you know, because people made
Speaker 3: too much noise, so let's just wipe them out with
Speaker 3: a flood. That's their narrative. That's totally way off base.
Speaker 3: The reason the flood was brought was because their children
Speaker 3: were abhorrently evil and they were destroying the planet and
Speaker 3: killing everybody, and they were cannibals and they were awful,
Speaker 3: and God had to bring the flood to basically quarantine
Speaker 3: the planet and clean it up and start over again.
Speaker 3: That's the real narrative. And Jesus said, we're going to
Speaker 3: return to that, to the deception that was going on
Speaker 3: in that day with these otherworldly things. And it's for
Speaker 3: that reason that I believe that we're going to eventually
Speaker 3: have open disclosure and these things will become part of
Speaker 3: our open society. That's I see that as a reality
Speaker 3: that's coming our way.
Speaker 2: And you're not alone in your thought process, are.
Speaker 3: You, No? And I think it's becoming more and more
Speaker 3: of a they're really pushing hard for that, a lot
Speaker 3: of different people out there. The Disclosure Project, for example, Uh,
Speaker 3: doctor Career is pushing for that with you know, he
Speaker 3: was behind the whole disclosure thing with all these whistleblowers
Speaker 3: coming forward and there's a lot of people pushing for that.
Speaker 2: Where does this all lead as a Christian uphologist.
Speaker 3: Well, I do see this strong delusion coming up in
Speaker 3: the future, and it's predicted, you know, and so how
Speaker 3: are we going to deal with this? You know, when
Speaker 3: we start to see things coming together, is going to
Speaker 3: be a huge event that the Bible talks about. It's
Speaker 3: called the rapture. It's going to be hard to miss.
Speaker 3: So there may be people listening to this broadcast now
Speaker 3: that will be here in the world in the day
Speaker 3: when that happens, and they'll be here still, it will
Speaker 3: not be taken. They'll be here and they'll remember this
Speaker 3: little story about me saying, hey, in the future, there's
Speaker 3: going to be an alienation with you know, millions of people,
Speaker 3: possibly even as much as a billion, I don't know,
Speaker 3: just suddenly vanishing off the planet. And the rest of
Speaker 3: the planet's going to take this as a hostile alien invasion,
Speaker 3: except for maybe some people that can remember this and
Speaker 3: they'll know to reject that deception when it's put out there.
Speaker 3: But all the Christians are going to be gone at
Speaker 3: that time. So the only thing you're going to have
Speaker 3: left is people in the world who remember faintly hearing
Speaker 3: Christians predicting this crazy thing that's going to happen. And
Speaker 3: I would like to point them to Revelation fourteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: That's an angel that flying through the heavens and preaching
Speaker 3: to the people of the earth in the end times
Speaker 3: during the Great Tribulation, and he's reminding them to worship
Speaker 3: the Creator. He's pointing them back to the identity of
Speaker 3: God and reminding them who God really is. He's not
Speaker 3: some et, he's not some alien race or any number
Speaker 3: of other things that they're going to be espousing at
Speaker 3: that time. God is the creator of all things. He's
Speaker 3: the King of the universe. And that's what that angel
Speaker 3: reminds him of. And that even if the rapture has
Speaker 3: come and gone, and there's a lot of people that
Speaker 3: are gone, it doesn't mean it's too late. Because one
Speaker 3: Corinthians fifteen twenty three and one Thessalonians chapter four, verses
Speaker 3: thirteen through seventeen says that there's going to be another
Speaker 3: rapture right before Jesus returns, and that's going to be
Speaker 3: people who returned, you know who came to Jesus after
Speaker 3: the rapture.
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