1 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: A deep to screen. 2 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: The Crusades were launched after seven centuries of constant Islamic aggression. 3 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Before the very first Crusade was launched in ten ninety five, 4 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Muslims had invaded the following Christian lands. 5 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: They had invaded. 6 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 4: Christian Syria, Christian Jordan, Christian Palestine, Christian Egypt, Christian Algeria, 7 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 4: Christian Libya, Christian Morocco, Christian Portugal, Christian Spain, Christian France, 8 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: Christian Sicily, Christian Turkey, Christian Armenia, Christian Italy, all before 9 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 4: the first Crusade. The Crusades are a legitimate response to 10 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: Islamic aggression and Islamic violence. 11 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: It has fallen to us to defend Jerusalem Assembly Army. 12 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: You have chosen wisely. 13 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome board to Part two of the 14 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: Chronicles of the Christians, The Truth about the Crusades. My 15 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: co host today is Blake nef So. Blake, you saw 16 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: the clip just there played that went pretty viral. I 17 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: think earlier this year that the Crusades were a response. 18 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: The crusades were a response. The Crusades were a response. 19 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: Is that true? Is that accurate? That's not what I 20 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: was told about the Crusades. 21 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: It's definitely true, Jack, and it was a very delayed response. 22 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: Even when you look at the grand sweep of history. 23 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: The first Crusade I think is called in ten ninety five, 24 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: maybe ten ninety six, and it arrives, you know, after 25 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: many hundreds of years of Christianity being rolled back by 26 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: a tide of Islamic conquest and by increasingly like increasing 27 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: breakdown between those two fates, even in times of peace. 28 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I think the kind of official label that they would 29 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: give to a crusade is they would they would describe 30 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: it as a pilgrimage. Crusaders they would take a they 31 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: were basically taking an oath to go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem. 32 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: So we talked during our episode on ancient Christianity, the 33 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: rise of Christianity, how Saint Helena, the mother of Constantine, 34 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: the first Christian Roman emperor, that she creates the practice 35 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: of Christian pilgrimage by going to the Holy Land, and 36 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: in the years after that people took after her example. 37 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: They would also go on pilgrimage to the Holy Land. 38 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: And this was a very popular thing that you could 39 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: do in the Middle Ages if you had the means 40 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: to do so you know, once in your life you 41 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: would try to travel to the Holy Land, to the 42 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: place where Christ had walked and where he administered to people. 43 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: And they had done this even when it was ruled 44 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: by Muslims for a long time. But what increasingly happened 45 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: was they were unable to do so. There would be 46 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: violence against pilgrims. Pilgrims would be attacked by bandits, they 47 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: would have their ships attacked, they would be sold into 48 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: slavery and then need to be ransom. In fact, this 49 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: was one of the first sort of international charitable things 50 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: that we have in history. Is you would have Christians 51 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: who would raise funds to ransom captives who had been 52 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: taken by the Muslims in the far in the Middle 53 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: East and so on. And so that was the build 54 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: up that you had to it was you had Christianity 55 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: increasingly the sense that it's under siege, and also that 56 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: you know that the homeland, that the place where the 57 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: Savior had walked, was ruled by those who rejected him 58 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: and would attack those who followed him. And that all 59 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: built up to, well, okay, let's have an armed pilgrimage 60 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: to free this place from those who hold it and 61 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: that led to centuries of Crusades. 62 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: And so we're going to get into all that. How 63 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: did the Crusades start? What was this rise of Islam 64 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: in a sense? The sacking of the Holy Land, the 65 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: taking of the Holy Land and the response there wherewithal 66 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: This is the truth about the Crusades in the series 67 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: The Chronicles of the Christians. Jack Pisovic, blakenaf Period Rev. 68 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: Family. 69 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: We need your help. 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When we'd left, we were talking about the Crusades. 101 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: So even even before the Crusades, let's let's talk a 102 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: little bit about this this idea that many of these lands, 103 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: and you know he mentions countries earlier in the Klip 104 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: who played earlier, but they weren't really you know, countries, 105 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: they were kingdoms and territories of the Empire and when 106 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: this was going on, but many of them had been Christianized. 107 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: And we did a whole episode the other day in 108 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: part one about how Christianity spread throughout the regions of 109 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: the Roman Empire. But then in northern Africa and what's 110 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: now referred to as the Middle East from Levont you 111 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: get the spread of Islam, and Islam didn't exactly spread 112 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: the way Christianity did, did it. 113 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: It did not. So Islam emerges in the early six hundreds, 114 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: so this is about three hundred years after Constantine, and 115 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: it's therefore like three hundred years after you know, the 116 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: Mediterranean area becomes Christian It comes out of Arabia and 117 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: it really has a very shocking rise. There's kind of 118 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: what happened is the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire 119 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: had a very long war with each other and they 120 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: were just totally exhausted by it, and suddenly these Arabs 121 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: burst out and they just they conquer at an incredibly 122 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: rapid case, almost nothing like it in world history. So 123 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: they conquer what we think of as the Muslim world today. 124 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: So they conquer modern Iraq, they conquer modern Iran, modern Egypt, 125 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: modern Syria, modern North Africa, they get all the way 126 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: out to Spain, and this becomes the Uma, the Islamic 127 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: world that's initially all under one empire. It eventually breaks apart. 128 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: But this area when it was conquered was overwhelmingly Christian, 129 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: and for centuries after it still remains heavily Christian, even 130 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: majority Christian. And it's over time that you start seeing 131 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: more and more aggressive limitations on Christianity in those places, 132 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and also where you see a renewed expansionism that sort 133 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: of inspires a backlash against it. So, for example, one 134 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: of the things that leads up to the Crusades, there's 135 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: a great Christian city in Antioch. There is historically a patriarch, 136 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: one of the chief bishops lives in Antioch, and Antioch 137 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: was ruled by the Roman Empire, by the Byzantine Empire, 138 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you'll see it referred to in medieval stuff, and only 139 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: a few years before the for the First Crusade is 140 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: that city actually captured by an Islamic army, and they 141 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: also conquer most of modern day Turkey, that had been 142 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: a very Christian territory, a heartland of Christianity, and it's 143 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: been overrun by a Muslim army. And so the first 144 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: crusade actually emerges, almost by accident, is that the Roman 145 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Emperor Alexius the first is asking he's asking knights from Europe, 146 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: from France, say, hey, come out, help me fight against Muslims. 147 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: And you know you can also you can feel like 148 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: you're serving Christ when you fight, rather than just fighting 149 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: against each other. And he's trying to recruit an army 150 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: for this, and what happens is the pope at the time. 151 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: And by the way, the second that alexis like that Alexius, 152 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: So even though he would refer to himself as the 153 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: Roman Emperor, he's actually in Constantinople. So he's in what 154 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: we now exactly Sysantium. 155 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: Yes, and he's in this modern day city of Istanbul, 156 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: today a Muslim city unfortunately, but this was the largest 157 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: city in the Christian world for a thousand years. It 158 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: would be a rival to it would consider itself a 159 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: rival to Rome, and it was a rival to Rome 160 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: in terms of Christian importance. And that is where the 161 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: emperor lives. So yeah, I say Roman emperor because technically 162 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: it's true, but this would be have been disputed at 163 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the time. We don't need to get into all of that. 164 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: But he asks Christian knights, hey, come out and help 165 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: me to reclaim lands that should be Christian. And it 166 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: seems that a pope urban the second he takes that, 167 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: and he sort of, I don't want to say distorts it, 168 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: but he evolves it for his own reasons. Where the Church, 169 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: they had this thought. They're thinking was it's bad when 170 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: Christians fight each other. There was sort of this early 171 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: version of a pacifist movement where they promoted movements they 172 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: called it the Peace of God and the Truce of God. 173 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: And the Peace of God was it's bad for Christians 174 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: to fight each other, so we should try to limit 175 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: when you can fight. Don't fight on Sundays, don't fight 176 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: during Lent, don't fight during holy times so that there's 177 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: less fighting. And they would also do the Truce of God, 178 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: which was sort of early human rights law. It was 179 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: don't attack women, don't attack children, don't desecrate holy places. 180 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: So it was trying to say, yes, warfare, it's the 181 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Middle Ages. Warfare is inevitable, but we should limit how 182 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: much of it there is and who it hurts. And 183 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: so what the Pope seems to have thought is, well, 184 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: instead of having these men have to fight, they're professional fighters, 185 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: why not have them fight to protect Christians, to protect 186 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Christian churches, to protect Christian places, and to fight against 187 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: people who are enemies of Christians, rather than have them 188 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: fight amongst each other. So he apparently gives a speech 189 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: in uh at the I think in Constance. It's the 190 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: Council of Constance. I think is where it was city 191 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: in France, and we don't know what he said, but 192 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: whatever he said, it was apparently the greatest speech of 193 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: all time because you have all of these loads you 194 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: were present, and they just come like, yes, I want 195 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: to go, let's go. And you have these rich guys 196 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: basically like they don't just. 197 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: Say let's go. What are they say? What do they say? 198 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Deis vault? God days vaults? 199 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: Day's vault? And of course is a very accurate, a 200 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: very accurate film. There's this myth, but there are like 201 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 3: ten different versions of that. Like I've gone to look 202 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: up the pope urban the second speech launching the first Crusade, 203 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: and there's so many different versions of it it's almost 204 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: choose your own adventure as to which but it it 205 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: it's kind of like the patent speech, you know, prior 206 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: to you know, prior to the Great Battles in World 207 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: War Two. It's it's like a general patent speech, but 208 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 3: rallying around the cross and specifically talking about the defense 209 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: of not just these former Christian lands, but really Jerusalem, 210 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: the Holy Land, the Holy sites. And this ties back 211 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: to the practice that Saint Helena had instituted of pilgrimage 212 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: to the Holy Land. It's like, hey, remember those holy 213 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: lands that were all supposed to be making our pilgrimage too, Well, 214 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: they've been ransacked by infidels and someone needs to go 215 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: and save them, and that someone is you, dear friends. 216 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's amazing. It really is one of the 217 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: great decentralized outpourings of public enthusiasm ever because no kings 218 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: go on the First Crusade. This is not a government endeavor. 219 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: It is you know, this guy gives a speech and 220 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: they just rapidly. It's just the level of mass public 221 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: enthusiasm for it is off the charts. So you have 222 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: nobles who are selling or mortgaging everything they own to 223 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: try to go to the Holy Land on this pilgrimage. 224 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: There's no armed there's no single commander to it. There's 225 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: different lords, and they end up it ends up being 226 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: this like campaign by committee like we've never seen before 227 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: because they can't agree on who should be in charge, 228 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and you have people, like I said, people selling everything 229 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: they own. There are all these rules that were kind 230 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: of designed to encourage Christian behavior where they would say, 231 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: before you go on crusade, you can't be trying to 232 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: escape debts. So you have to settle all your debts 233 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: with any people that you have. If they owe you money, 234 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: you have to settle up with them. If you owe 235 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: someone else money, you have to settle up with them. 236 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: You have to make sure that you go on crusade 237 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: with a clean conscience. And we have remarkable stories of 238 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: what people were doing. There was there was an ordinary 239 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: man who he'd I believe he'd killed his brother or 240 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: some family member in an argument, and so he was 241 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: witnessed where he had He was like holding the weapons 242 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: that he had done this with, and he was like, 243 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: I am going to travel to Jerusalem to lay these 244 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: weapons at the tomb where Christ, where Christ rose from 245 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: the dead, as like my penance for what I had done. 246 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: And again it's all popular enthusiasm. No king orders this crusade. 247 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: No one is really ordered to go on this crusade 248 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: unless they're you know, a knight who's working directly for 249 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: someone else who does it. It's all people volunteering to 250 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: go on this. It never should have secks seeded. And 251 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you really if you read the details of it, you 252 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: really understand why people in the Middle Ages thought that 253 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: the First Crusade which took Jerusalem had to be a 254 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: miraculous endeavor, because it never should have succeeded in a 255 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: million years, and yet it does after several years, and 256 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: after one of the most hard fought campaigns in human history. 257 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: And this really goes to show you again, as we 258 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: talked about in the first episode, I certainly encourage people, 259 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: if you haven't listened to it, please go back and 260 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: do so that people really believed in Christianity back then. 261 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: This was not some cynical and we'll talk about that 262 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: in the next segment. But this was not some cynical endeavor. 263 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: This was not a political power play. This was not 264 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: this idea that oh, we're just going to go and 265 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: get jewels and loot for our own personal coffers. And 266 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that none of that happened, But what 267 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying is there really was a widespread, deep belief 268 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: that this is the type of thing that Christians should do, 269 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: that Christians should fight for the Holy Land, that the 270 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: liberation of Jerusalem is itself a worthy endeavor and one 271 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: that was taken upon by thousands of individuals and not 272 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: even kings at first, that it was a mass popular movement. 273 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: The Truth about the Crusades here on the Chronicles of 274 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: the Christians. Be right back, ladies. John, Welcome aboard today's 275 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: edition of Human Events Daily. It's very clear what's going 276 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: on here. Everything that you've seen it boils down to. 277 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: This Human Events with Jack Pasobic. 278 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: All right, Jack Posobak, we are back the Chronicles of 279 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: the Christians. The Truth about the Crusade. So Blake, you 280 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: talked about it being miraculous and miraculous because of the 281 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: sense that it was incredibly hard. I mean, keep in mind, 282 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: we're talking about fielding armies that are all the way 283 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: on the other side of the world, and not really 284 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: doing so with state backing per se. They're doing so 285 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: as part of this popular movement. So it's not like 286 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: you've got you know, and certainly there were sponsorships, but 287 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't like the King of England or you know, 288 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: the King of the Franks have sent you all of this, 289 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, their entire army over It was this sort 290 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 3: of like quasi volunteer thing. Walk me through what that 291 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: was like. 292 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really I really want to emphasize there was 293 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: almost nothing like this in the history of the world. So, 294 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: first of all, like I said, no centralized planning. This 295 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: was literally the extent to which some of it was planned. 296 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: The Pope and a few other guys say hey, let's 297 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: have everyone, let's meet at Constantinople on this day about 298 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: two years from now. And so you have guys who 299 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: they're all walking there pretty much. So you have guys 300 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: who are walking from Italy, guys who are walking from France, 301 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: guys who are walking from Germany, some guys who cross 302 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: the channel from England. They're coming from all over, and 303 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: the enthusiasm is so great they're actually putting out notices. 304 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: For example, a lot of Spaniards want to join, but 305 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: they're fighting Muslims in Spain and they're saying, guys, we 306 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: need you to be fighting the Infidel in Spain, there's 307 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of warfare. It would not work if all 308 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: the Knights left there, we'd lose. Please, don't you guys. 309 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: The Pope puts out a thing where he says any 310 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: and like any remission of sins, any, you know, kind 311 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: of spiritual good you get doing it there in Spain, 312 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: you get the same, you get it equal to the 313 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: guys who go to Jerusalem. It's okay. And so but 314 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: then on top of the knights, you have ordinary people. 315 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Tens that tens of thousands of ordinary people are joining 316 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: in on this, non combatants, and so you end up 317 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: with these people who end up in Constantinople, and it's 318 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: a ton of ordinary people, ordinary men and women, and 319 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: they have an incredibly hard time of it. Like we'll 320 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: just be objective. A lot of them, a lot of 321 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: them go and they cross into Anatolia that's modern day Turkey, 322 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: before the Knights do. And they get there and there's 323 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: there's Muslim armies there and a lot of them get massacred. 324 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: It's it's a very ugly and hard thing. But some 325 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: of them stick it out. They attach themselves to the 326 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: army and these it's an army so big you can't 327 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: afford to have it go just sail to the Holy Land. 328 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: They have to walk there. They have to walk there 329 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: across Anatolia, which is this rugged highland type of place. 330 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what do a comparison in 331 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: America would be. It's a lot of it is probably 332 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: like walking across like northern Arizona. Actually, you know, there's trees, 333 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: there's a few rivers, but it's very hot and it's 334 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: a very tough place. And then you have all these 335 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: Muslim armies. And what are the Muslim armies in this period. 336 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: It's guys. It's horse archers on horseback. So they ride 337 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: and they shoot a bunch of arrows at you, and 338 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: then they ride away and you can't really catch them. 339 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: And it's just awful. So they walk all the way 340 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: across Anatolia doing this, and you get to anytime you 341 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: get to a battle, you have to besiege it, and 342 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: you think of Lord of the Rings, like, oh, okay, 343 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: you walk up, you siege, and it's the thing that's 344 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: over in a day. No, you have to sit outside 345 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: the city for months and they have food usually they 346 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: have water stockpiled and you usually don't, so trying to 347 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: take a city is worse than actually being inside of it. 348 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: And they have to do this repeatedly, over and over, 349 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: and the only advantage they have is a ton of enthusiasm. 350 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: What stands out is they'll fight these battles where if 351 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: you listen to a historian, he'll just say, yeah, this 352 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: battle doesn't make any sense to fight. And the only 353 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: advantage that the Christians have is they're so gung ho 354 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: that they're willing to They will fight to the death, 355 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: they will go all out, and we just have battles 356 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: where they're out numbered five to one, ten to one, 357 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: and they'll just win. And they do have one big advantage, 358 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: which is this is the period where knights on horseback 359 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: are like a super weapon, you know, like a guy 360 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: who's on armor on a horse it's like a battle 361 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: tank and they're just able to plow through guys left 362 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: and right if they're able to hit them. But they 363 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: fight battle after battle. They have no unified command. They 364 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: often don't have water. There's people who abandon it. There's 365 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: an incredible story where one of the chief lords in 366 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: the campaign, Stephen of Blois, is his name Blaw and 367 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: he gives up. He despairs and he runs away, and 368 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: he runs into actually an army of the Roman emperor, 369 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: who says he wants to help, and he says, it's 370 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: too We've already been overrun, everyone died. Just turned back, 371 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: and the emperor shrugs and he's like, okay, I'll turn around. 372 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: And then it turns out Stephen of Blah was wrong 373 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: that they'd won the battle. He thought they were doomed 374 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: in and they truly thought this was a miraculous endeavor 375 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: from beginning to end, that it never should have succeeded 376 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: except for the grace of God. 377 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: And so talk to me a little bit more about 378 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: these these types of battles. You mentioned cavalry, and you know, 379 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: they're they're they're sort of like these tanks, especially you know, 380 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: with with armor of the table to stand up to arrows. 381 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: But they're not they're what if you're just like your 382 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: atypical infantry, what about it? The respective of like a grunt. 383 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: Being a grunt was terrible. And in the crusading areas especially, 384 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: they didn't have that many of them. You know, if 385 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: you're back in France, yeah you can raise some you know, 386 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: some peasants who hold spears. But going to the Middle 387 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: East is really expensive. So other than the First Crusade 388 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: where you have that rabble of ordinary people tagging along, 389 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: most of the people who do the fighting are pretty 390 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: they're pretty professional about it. So they'll have armor, they'll 391 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: usually they'll often have horses. You'll have battles where a 392 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: pretty high share of the Crusader army is mounted. But 393 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: it's some incredible some of what you have after the 394 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: First Crusade. We have what's called the Crusader States, and 395 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: it's this kind of little European state that's trying to 396 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: cling on to Jerusalem and it's surrounded by hostile enemies, 397 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: and there's some absolutely wild battles. I think if you've 398 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: ever seen the movie A Kingdom of Heaven, there's the 399 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: leper king who hides behind his mask because he's deformed, 400 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: and they mention in this movie that there's a battle 401 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: where he fought Salady in the Great Islamic Warrior, and 402 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: I think the name of the battle is the Battle 403 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: of mont Gissard, I think is the name of it. 404 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: And it's a battle where this Crusader army of maybe 405 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: two thousand men runs into a salading army of about 406 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: twenty thousand men out number ten to one. Like I said, 407 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: but every single guy in the Crusader army is a 408 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: knight on a horseback and the Muslim army is on foot, 409 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: and they just look at him and they think, yeah, 410 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: those odds seem great, let's go, and they just charge 411 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: into him, out numbered ten to one, and they don't 412 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: just win, they totally annihilate the Muslim army. Like Salading 413 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: himself is almost captured and killed. That's what it's like. 414 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: If you're a guy on foot, if you're out of 415 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: position and you get hit by a European night in 416 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: this time, it's just like getting hit by a tank 417 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: crusted with a steamroller. 418 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know if you know that 419 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: that King Baldwin of Jerusalem is the fourth and that 420 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: that scene of him from the movie where he's sort 421 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: of raising his hand and saying stop, that is like 422 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: this huge TikTok meme now that gen Z are like 423 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: constantly spreading and for you know, it's it's it's just 424 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: this this total and utter rebuke. But a bunch of 425 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: like the you know, a bunch of like the traditional 426 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 3: conservative Catholic or Orthodox believers are to have now taken 427 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: Baldwin to be like a big avatar for them, and 428 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: you know, so you see this huge gen Z direct 429 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: implication and different from that, So there's the millennial Crusader 430 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: meme and we all know that one. That's the one 431 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: where it's the Crusader Night and Dave's bolden. Oh look 432 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: at the time, you know, it's Dave's full o'clock. You know, 433 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: that's that's sort of the millennial Crusader meme. But the 434 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 3: new gen Z Crusader meme is all based around Baldwin 435 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: and all based around you know, it started with him 436 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: just saying silent, but it's it's definitely branched out into 437 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 3: more deeper territories and it's it's just incredible that we 438 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: have this. I think there's something about the time of 439 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: the Crusades that resonates with us even today because of 440 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: what you're saying, Because this core essence of what the 441 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: Crusade was really was just something that was completely unique 442 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: throughout history where people from Europe and Christians decided to 443 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 3: get up and defend the faith, and it truly was 444 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: a substantive and forceful defense of that faith in a 445 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 3: way that you really don't ever see today. 446 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's what we said in the 447 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: Rise episode that true people like critics and haters and 448 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: losers on the internet really struggle to grasp that someone 449 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: could care, that they truly believe it and they care 450 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: about it, and they will invest that, they'll invest their 451 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: whole life in something that they believe in. I read 452 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: a history of the Crusades once and I can't remember 453 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: who it was by. It might have been by Thomas Madden, 454 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: who's a pretty good historian, but he's talking about the Crusades, 455 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: and he would say, you know that they would say 456 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: that modernists will be like judgmental. They'll say, oh, it's 457 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: deranged that people would fight, and they would you know, 458 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: they would care over something like this. And he says, well, 459 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: you know, a medieval person would turn around and they 460 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: would say, you, guys, in the present, you have wars 461 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: over you have wars over oil, you have wars over 462 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: you geostrategic position, you have wars over territory. And how 463 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: is that moral? Yet it's immoral to to fight over 464 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, the very like you know, fight for your God, 465 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: fight for what you believe is most right, and important 466 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: in the entire world to fight for your immortal soul, 467 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: to fight for the people who are in your fellow 468 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: community of believers, that they would say that makes far 469 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: more sense as something to fight for, to fight for, 470 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, the nature of the world itself, and that 471 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: is what people did then and again we have to 472 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: emphasize that they had enormous sacrifices for this. I said, 473 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: on the first crusade, there's no kings who go on it, 474 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: but on later ones kings do go on crusade. And 475 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you it is not a it's certainly 476 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: not a money making endeavor. King Richard the Lionheart, the 477 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: most famous king of England. He basically bankrupt his country 478 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: to be able to go on a crusade to try 479 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: to reclaim Jerusalem after it's captured. 480 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: The King of France and is still remember it as 481 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: a great king of England and is still considered a 482 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: great king. 483 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, the guy that Saint Louis is named after. 484 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: He's Louis that Louis the ninth of France. He goes 485 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: on crusade twice and he basically what's funny is he 486 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: goes on a crusade as a young man and doesn't 487 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: work out, and then he thinks, I want to go 488 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: on crusade again. But crusading's expensive, so I have to 489 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: reform my entire kingdom to be more just and more 490 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: well run and more and like he basically has to 491 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: make France in. He almost has to France great again 492 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: so that it has enough money. 493 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 3: Quick break here, But did you know that Saint Louis 494 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: and in fact Louisiana as well, are both named after 495 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: a crusader king of France. The more you know the 496 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: truth about the Crusades The Chronicles of the Christians, Jack 497 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: Posova Blakenek. 498 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 6: I'm John Solomon. 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And to help you get started, 533 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: go to protect with poso dot com. So Blake, as 534 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: we're talking about the Crusades, and there's there's sort of 535 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: that you know response, I think, and you know, let's 536 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: go back to the clip of you know, and we're 537 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: not gonna play it, but just remembering that clip that 538 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: started this whole thing off. There's there's this Muslim who 539 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: is and this is in the context of the current 540 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: migrant crisis that's going on in Europe since twenty fifteen, 541 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: almost a full decade by the way, next year will 542 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: be a full decade since this has happened. And he's 543 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: saying to him that, oh well, Europe deserves essentially this 544 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: this sort of h new, you know, like a neo 545 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: colonization through migration because of the Crusades. But and and 546 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: just to say this is something, by the way, I 547 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 3: noticed that and I don't usually talk about this, but 548 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: when I've had any dealings with you know, the Muslim 549 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: world or people who are from they're not Muslims in 550 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: the United States, but people who are from the Middle East, 551 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: they will bring up the Crusades all the time. It's 552 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: like right on the tip of their tongue. It is 553 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 3: the first thing that they will say for any complaint 554 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: about you know, oh this, you know, why are we 555 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: doing this or why is this happening, and say, oh, 556 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: you did the Crusades to us, and so we have 557 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: to do this. And it's like, this was so many 558 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: years ago, and there has been so much history, like 559 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 3: a thousand years of history separates now and then, and 560 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: yet you are still bringing this up, even when you 561 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: and I have documented here that this was totally in 562 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: response to things that were happening to again these lands 563 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: that had been up to that point Christian. 564 00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was largely reactive, overwhelmingly. Crusades are 565 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,479 Speaker 1: are basically efforts to take back areas that had at 566 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: least some at some point been Christian been ruled by Christians. 567 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: So you have crusading in Spain, you have crusading in 568 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: the Holy Land. These usually aren't counted as like numbered crusades, 569 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: but they totally were. When the Ottoman Empire, the Turks, 570 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: they start taking over Greece, Bulgaria, like these Christian countries 571 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: in southeastern Europe, they have crusades to try to defeat them, 572 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: and those crusades mostly end in tragedy. They're very they're 573 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: largely expensive failures, but they were trying to do that there. 574 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: They are very heavily defensive wars in nature, not exclusively 575 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: there's hundreds of years of this over time. But also 576 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: another thing that's just wild about it is in the 577 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: Grand speed well in the Muslim world. 578 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: And yeah, let me ask you about that. Just on that. 579 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: Do you ever see crusaders going further and saying, oh, 580 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 3: we need to take over Persia or we need to 581 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: go all the way down through the Arabian Peninsula. You 582 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: never quite hear that type or see any of that 583 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 3: type of activity. 584 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 585 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, so the closest you'll get where it's like it's 586 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: truly much more expansionist is you'll have the Northern Crusades. 587 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: This is the famous Teutonic Knights, those of those German guys. 588 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: Uh they well as a as a yeah, as as 589 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: a as a guy of Polish descent. Yes, I'm very 590 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: familiar with the Northern Crusade, which is which is like which, 591 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: of course, the Pols are sitting there going, wait a minute, 592 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: we were already Christian, what are you doing? And the 593 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 3: Teutonic Knights are like, you're not Christian enough. 594 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they get really deranged. They try to crusade 595 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: against the city of Novgorod, which is Eastern Christian, where 596 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: they eventually like they're schismatic. They're they're even worse than 597 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: the Pagans. They get you know, the Teutonic Knights are German. 598 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: Germans have a slight tendency towards, uh, getting a little 599 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: too intense about things, you might say, and you're not 600 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: doing it right an example of it. But yeah, they're not. 601 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: They do slogan, but again not in the way what 602 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: is it. They're the slogan of the Teutonic Knights that 603 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: they repeat is the sword is our Pope. 604 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, but again you just don't 605 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 3: hear of it in the way that this this guy 606 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 3: in the debate is talking about, you know, these these 607 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 3: acts of conquest against Muslim lands. It's like, no, it's 608 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: it's the opposite. Actually, it's the entire opposite of what 609 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 3: you're talking about. 610 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, when there is a kingdom of Jerusalem 611 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: in the modern Holy Land. They the entirety of its existence. 612 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: It's likely that the majority of the people they ruled 613 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: were Muslim and they did not forcibly convert them. They 614 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: did not genocide them. Uh, they like just ruled over them. 615 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: And that's pretty much the case there. You know, there 616 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: are selective cases where there's where there's atrocities. The worst 617 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: one is when they actually take Jerusalem for the first time. 618 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: A lot of innocent people die, and we shouldn't ignore that. 619 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: But ultimately, like this was not an act of like 620 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: religious genocide. This was a response to a perceived sense 621 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: of Christianity under siege. It was an effort to redirect 622 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: Christians from fighting against each other, and it was an 623 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: effort to protect Christians and protect Christendom. And when they 624 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: came to rule over Muslim communities, they do not wipe 625 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: them out, They do not exterminate them. They try to 626 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: rule over them justly for the most part. 627 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 3: By the way, when the Ottomans were making their way 628 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 3: through Europe, I believe they made it. And this is 629 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: you know, fast forwarding quite a bit. You know, this 630 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: is not just in medieval times. We're talking about, you know, 631 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: really into the modern era. They first of ade in 632 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: the thirteen hundreds. Then of course the Fall of Constantinople 633 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: comes in I think fourteen fifty three. This is where 634 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 3: Constantinople gets converted to Islam. The Church of the Hagia 635 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 3: Sophia gets converted and still remains a mosque today. This 636 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 3: of course is right on the geostrategic strait of the Bosphorus, 637 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 3: which connects the Black Sea and all of the Black 638 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 3: Sea nations or at the time Black Sea kingdoms uh 639 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 3: into the Mediterranean, so just becomes an incredibly important loss 640 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 3: for Christendom. Also, as you mentioned earlier, the seat of 641 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 3: the Roman Empire right the Byzantium at the time, and 642 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 3: for hundreds of years, they're just pillaging across Europe until 643 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 3: they get to uh, until they get to Vienna, and 644 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 3: someone seems to come down and stop them at Vienna. 645 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 3: Who who was that again, Blake, Uh? 646 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: I can't recall, sad to say A lot of them, 647 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: were a lot of them, you know, there were some 648 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: Austrians there. I think there were some Germans there. 649 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: Who was in charge? Who is in charge of that thing? 650 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: Again? A man? Yeah, I'm gonna have to get back 651 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: to you on that one jack. 652 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 3: Ah, the one piece of history that Blake doesn't seem 653 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: to recall. Oh, that's right, Yon Sobieski and the winged 654 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 3: Hussars of Poland who's charged down the hill at callen 655 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: Berg with the wings attached to their backs, crashing through 656 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 3: the Ottoman lines that broke the Siege of Vienna completely 657 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: destroyed them on September twelfth, sixteen eighty three. Just just 658 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: a little, you know, just a little piece of history 659 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 3: where Sobieski, the king of Poland Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth at 660 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,959 Speaker 3: the time, then gets named the Savior of Christendom by 661 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 3: the Pope and is granted a constellation in the starry 662 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 3: sky for his efforts. Ah, yes, the winged Hussars. But 663 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 3: just a point. You're glad to say there that this 664 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 3: is something that goes on for hundreds of years. It's like, 665 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: it's not like it just ends with the Crusades. 666 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is there's about maybe a six hundred 667 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: year period where this is a big a passion of Christendom. 668 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: It's something that they invest a huge amount of effort 669 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: in and you know, most of the time, let's be truthful, 670 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: most of the time it fails. It has a lot 671 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: more failures than successes. There are people who sacrifice their 672 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: lives for this. It's a very hard endeavor. 673 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 3: Indeed, a quick break. Moments of absolute glory like the 674 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 3: winged Hussars crashing down, and yes, I have been there 675 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 3: multiple times outside of Vienna, to the top of the hill, 676 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 3: as well as the battlefield itself below. Right back, Jack Posobic, 677 00:40:35,560 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 3: Blake Neff, the Chronicles of the Christians. All right, Jack Posobic, 678 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 3: Blake Neff. We are back on the Chronicles of the Christians. 679 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 3: And we've been talking about the truth about the Crusades, 680 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 3: and Blake, you know, look, we've gone through so much here. 681 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: We talked about how the Crusades really are just part 682 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 3: of the story of the broader conflict between Christendom and 683 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: the Muslim world, one that started prior to the Crusades, 684 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 3: for hundreds of years prior to the Crusades, and in 685 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 3: fact extended hundreds of years past the Crusades. And we 686 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 3: talked a little bit about Spain, but of course Spain 687 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: spent something like almost a thousand years fighting to liberate 688 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 3: Spain from Islam. Do I have that right? About thousand years? 689 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 3: Like eight hundred years or something? 690 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: That you know, it depends how you want to define it. 691 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, they get invaded in the early seven hundreds 692 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: and famously they expel the last Islamic kind of kingdom 693 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: emirate in fourteen ninety two. And one of the ways 694 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: they decide to celebrate is they decide, okay, this this 695 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: crank from Genoa. Yeah, okay, he wants to sail some 696 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: boats to see if you can find Indiah. Yeah, that 697 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: sounds like a great idea. Let's blow money on that. 698 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it covers a good like a seven 699 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: hundred year period from where like the Muslim high tide 700 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: peaks to when Spain fully expels them and that kind 701 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: of and that initial and that defines so much of history. 702 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 3: And that initial invasion also includes what they try to 703 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 3: make it into France, and that's Charles Martel when he 704 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 3: comes up and the very famous Battle of Tours. And 705 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 3: again this all of that predates the Crusades. 706 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: Yes, that's all, well before the Crusades, there's a lot 707 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: of there's a lot of conflict about it. Well, what's 708 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: really important with the Crusades is that idea of armed pilgrimage, 709 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: that it was a pilgrimage. They were undertaking where you know, 710 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: if you had to fight, you know, the Saracen because 711 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: he was in the way, Well you had to fight 712 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: the Saracen. But yeah, there is a long history before 713 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: that of of warfare for the sake, you know, for 714 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: the sake of Christendom. And it shapes so much of 715 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: history because I think a lot of you know, what 716 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: we think of as you know, like Spanish history. So 717 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: the Spanish they managed to complete the Reconquista, and like 718 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: their entire worldview has been shaped of we have to 719 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: go and like we have to fight to try to 720 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, protect the faith and expand the faith. And 721 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: so when they discover all of that lands in the 722 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: New World, that attitude bleeds over and they think it's 723 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 1: a big obligation to evangelize all of the peoples they've 724 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: come across. So very shortly after they discovered the New World, 725 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: after they conquer the Aztec Human Sacrifice Empire, they're sending priests. 726 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: They're sending a bunch of like Franciscans and Dominicans and 727 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: other priests to go there, have to convert these people. 728 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: It's all an outgrowth actually of that crusader Ethos Well say, 729 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: Christianity is we have to make it go span the 730 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: entire world. 731 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 3: And and in fact, when Columbus, and this obviously gets 732 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: into the founding of America itself, which we mentioned briefly though, 733 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 3: that they are places that bear the name of King Louis. 734 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 3: Saint Louis and Louisiana are named after a crusader king. 735 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 3: You know, I hope folks in Louisiana actually know that. 736 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 3: But Columbus when he goes and famously he goes to 737 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 3: Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain and is like, you know, 738 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 3: telling them that, you know, I want to go to 739 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 3: the New World and get this gold. Usually the textbooks 740 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 3: and especially like your your modern like Breddit atheist lib 741 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 3: coded textbooks, when they talk about Columbus, they'll say, oh, well, 742 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 3: you know, they just wanted they just wanted to get rich, 743 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 3: and they wanted to you know, make many and give 744 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 3: them slaves because they were all evil. But Columbus actually 745 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 3: says to them, and then we can use the gold 746 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 3: to fund a new crusade because we need to go 747 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 3: back to the Holy Land and liberate it from the Saracens, 748 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 3: Like this is actually part of his pitch. They say yes, 749 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 3: and this is what leads to the founding and discovery 750 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 3: Old Discovery and then later founding of the United States 751 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 3: of America. 752 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the desire, like the true and authentic belief 753 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: in Christianity and the belief that it should be spread 754 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: to all the nations is such a core part of 755 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: European history that it really it's almost like the defining 756 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: feature of the European identity and what makes European civilization 757 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: become this global civilization. It's the attitude of we have 758 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: this special thing, this thing that's so special that we 759 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: should be able to share it and spread it to 760 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: the entire world, and so many other things come downstream 761 00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: of it. 762 00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 3: You know. 763 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: It's like why why, you know, why were the Pilgrims 764 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 1: on the Mayflower Because they wanted to have the ideal 765 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: Christian society and they thought they could only have it 766 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: if they went off to America. What did America start as? 767 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: It started as this experiment in Christianity. There. 768 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'll throw out? Which one I'll throw out? 769 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 3: Buzz Aldron on the Moon. I know, I'm sure you 770 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 3: know this one that when buzz Aldrin was part of 771 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 3: the first mission that lands on the Moon, and this 772 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 3: was something that NASA not to go fully down that 773 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 3: NASA cut the tapes rabbit hole. But one thing that 774 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 3: NASA did not broadcast as part of that, and buzz 775 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 3: Altrons talked about it for years since, was that he 776 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 3: actually brought a consecrated communion host with him as well 777 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 3: as consecrated wine, and he conducted a communion service on 778 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 3: the surface of the Moon. And in the sense the 779 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 3: Moon mission, the lunar mission was sort of a mini 780 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 3: Crusade as well. It also goes into that explorer spirit. 781 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 3: So you've got the discovery of the new world, the 782 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 3: discovery of a literal new planet, right the first humans 783 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 3: on another surface, and they're both doing so with this 784 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 3: Christian message in their heart. And I certainly hope that 785 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 3: in this episode that that's something that you can take 786 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 3: from it, that the spirit of the Crusades isn't just 787 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 3: conquest and pillage and riches and warfare, and yes, you 788 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 3: know that's all involved, and we talked about it at length, 789 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 3: but it's also this sincere spirit and belief that Christianity 790 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 3: should be spread. And whether you agree with that or not, 791 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 3: it's actually true funnel word to you. Blake nef. 792 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: You know it's uh oh man, you put me on. 793 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: It's truly it's a part of our heritage that everyone 794 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: should understand that the importance to it goes back to 795 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: Christianity offers something special to the world, and the world 796 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: has never been the same since Christianity arrived on the 797 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: scene and began changing people's world. 798 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 3: I love that. Go and check out Blake Neff on 799 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 3: our series from last year, The Chronicles of the Revolution. 800 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 3: This has been the chronicles of Christianity. The truth about 801 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 3: the crusades let us and general is always we have 802 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 3: our permission until they are sure. 803 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: This is human events. With Jack Pasobic, the. 804 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 3: Silent majority of this country, the workers, the truck drivers, 805 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 3: the police officers, firefighters, the people who keep the country running. 806 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 3: Stop screwing with them. And the more you keep screwing 807 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 3: with them, angrier and angrier they get, until they start 808 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 3: to get a little bit crazy.