WEBVTT - Math-Mayne-Tician (with Radha Blank) 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:05.080 When your online at white castles and you only got 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.960 money for one of them dirty asked burghers. Maybe, according 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:14.000 to Terence is math, you get too because one times 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.400 one eagles too, so you'll have whist the amount of 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.639 bubble guts if you just if you can only ave 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:46.120 four points racist money stuff, you can't tell me bang 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.160 bang bang skeet skeet skeet. There it is, yep, there 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.520 it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.840 of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.280 deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.600 finally work to prove that Russell Wilson is the greatest 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.160 known survivor of jungle fever in human history. The man 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.840 was dating the ugliest of whites. He was deep in 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.360 the trenches of white devildom, and then found his way 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.720 out to now stand aside Sierra during Torque videos. He's 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.480 free of his jungle fever. I don't know how he 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.240 did it, but no man has survived it greater than 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.760 Russell Wilson. These are facts, ladies and gentlemen. Fuck a theory, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.800 these are actual facts. I am your host, like sneak Kerman. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.720 I'm happy to be here. It's a goddamn beautiful day outside, 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.480 even though I'm trapped in my room. I'm trapped in 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.640 my room, being held captive by my wife and her 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.320 her mother, who have now taken over the rest of 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.960 my home. But that doesn't matter, because you know who's 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.840 who's the most free, who isn't trapped? It's my guest today. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.920 She lives. She lives free, God damn it, she lives. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.360 She lives the way she wants to live. Is what 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.960 I've heard on the streets and everywhere that everybody is 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.240 talking about her because she's amazing. She's a filmmaker, director, writer, producer, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.640 she does all the ship. 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Yeah, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.320 thanks for having me. I'm such a fair and of 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.959 this show. And I know two people right now A 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.240 Lisa blountmore Ahead and Emir Lewis are gagging because they 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.840 are huge fans, so I just had to shout them out. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.200 But thanks for having me on. Yeah, I I'm so 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.200 excited you're on. We've already we've talked a few times 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.760 on on the chats and instagram ship and I I 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.840 love your work. I've been working with Eric Bronco, who 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.280 I know you know very well and help help make 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.639 your beautiful film. So you know, big fan, and I'm 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.840 happy you're here. We're gonna we're gonna have a silly 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.160 ass time because you came with a conspiracy theory that 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.400 that I don't even know really how to qualify it. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:49.440 Truly is an exciting conversation we're about to jump into, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.680 so I want to introduce it carefully. But you said 0:03:51.760 --> 0:04:01.640 my mama told me about Terence Howard and his new Math. Yes, 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.880 it's not just it's not just the new math Linkston. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.680 It's called the universal math. And if you look very 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:18.360 closely at the acronym, it's Tom tom me right, as 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:23.680 in belly and Shaton, you know, as the some of 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.839 the Black Muslims will call him, might try to skew 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.120 that towards belly of the beast. But they say that 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.520 your stomach is your second brain. So do you see 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:39.760 in connection the universal tom tom as in tell me 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.400 and second brain. I'm just saying that the signs of 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.640 this new way of thinking have been there, even if 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.960 we don't understand them, they're there. And thank you, thank 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:56.520 you to Terrence, you know, for introducing my brain this concept. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.160 So okay, because you're coming in hot right now. Out 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.839 you coming in, you've already did that that that hotep 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:09.720 finger thing where squeeze your fingers together to orchestrate around you. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.920 You're you're already doing I'm wearing I'm wearing a head wrap. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.240 It just kind of goes with the territory. And as 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.320 someone who's been extra extra excommunicated, I couldn't even say it. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.080 You see how the brain scramble, how they you know 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.000 what I'm saying, they got in there. My brain transmitters 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:31.280 as someone who's been excommunicated from several of these uh 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:37.080 pontificating communities, from the hoteps for black israel lites, you know, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.880 Like I'm very familiar with mathematics, and it was Terrence. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.680 It was Terrence, so that I think that I feel 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.920 gave me permission as a person in the Red Bone 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.720 Brigade to go deeper, you know what I mean? Like 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.320 sometimes the sometimes when you're red bone, you light skin, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.120 A head wrap in a wide nose is not enough, 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.960 especially that the light eyes. You know what I'm saying 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:07.040 with this mathematics and these gestures, I am kind of 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.080 being kind of welcomed into a skin tone a little 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.240 darker than mine. If you understand, you're tapping into something 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.320 very important here because for years, and I think that 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.480 this is true about a lot of lighter skinned people, 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.479 is that is that we are often accused of trying 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:30.159 to overcompensate for for our connection to the black community, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.040 that that we overdo the work right, that we're trying 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.479 too hard. And you're saying that for years, you found 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.320 yourself in communities where you attempted to be a part 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.839 of something, and they pushed you out of it because 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.559 you might have been a try hard in their minds. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.920 But exactly inspired by Terrence Howard, you're saying, you're coming 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.080 with new information, a new energy even to to approach 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.920 these communities and say, jokes on you, motherfucker's I'm back. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.760 Do you remember Do you remember a TV movie called 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.120 Queeney that starred halle Berry where she was playing the 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.840 matriarch of Alex Haley right, and she burst into the 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.520 church with her her pale, pale white skin. They actually 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.720 lightened halle Berry for this role. If you can imagine 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.080 Hallie being lighter. They lightened her to play Queeny and 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.840 she bursts through the black church and she goes as Niggers. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.840 As Nigress terences math. It's my version of Ias Nickers. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.559 It gives the Red Bone Brigade a chance to own 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.120 our beige rage, as I call it beige rage. We 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.800 get to own it thanks to his mathematics. And it's 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.600 not something exactly I get to say as Niggers without 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.880 actually saying that. And you know, and it's not to 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.520 say I completely understand the mathematics. I think that's the 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.840 point of it is. You're not supposed to be able 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.520 to clearly explain it to someone. You're supposed to drop 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.280 put a little droplet in their mouths Um, that doesn't 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.080 sound right, but put a droplet in their mouth and 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.280 create that curiosity so that they then go and become 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.520 more confused. And you know, your level of confusion speaks 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.400 to the level of passion. How badly do you want 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:26.400 to unconfused your brain? See hold on, no, wait a minute, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:33.800 think now you you hit a spot right there. I'm 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.800 not even gonna hold you that that right there where 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.520 you confuse somebody and then you check how much they 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:45.800 they're committed to un confusing. That's it to the un confusing. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.599 That's a conference right there, Linkston, when you're ready to 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.280 take this light scared, redbone, rage bage rage on the road. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.920 You know what I'm saying, commit to un confusing your mind. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.079 I love it. I don't know what that acronym would be, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.520 but we figure it out. I will say that, even 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.560 as you're talking and we have not clarified what terence 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.559 sowards universal order it is, we will clarify all of that. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.120 Dear listener who is at home struggling right now with 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.160 all of this conversation, but but fuck you, we're having fun. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:25.439 The point, even as you're talking, there's a part of 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.520 me that feels like that is where philosophy started, right 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.520 that even if we we want to take some of 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.600 the these sort of like obviously tongue in cheek elements 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.679 of some of this away, that there's this isn't that 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.200 different than what Plato was doing with his boys back 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.959 in in ancient Grecian times where he's like, I don't know, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.200 maybe God could be a fucking wheel. And we were 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.920 all pressed together and then we got separated and and 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.280 granted that wasn't Plato, that's that it was one of 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.880 his stupid ass friends. But the point is the philosophy 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:07.200 is confusion with the goal of unconfusing. You're describing why 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.840 why isn't un confusing as a term use more often? 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.720 And I'm thinking about Socrates and Plato that maybe during 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.320 one of those Greek orgies, you know, like somebody bust 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.240 off and they said, Okay, this was good, this was 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.839 but I'm still unfulfilled because I have questions. And that's 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.280 what I'm saying is that questions are a good thing. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.000 Questions are a great way of leading a conversation, disarming somebody, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.719 but also kind of like saying, I don't know it all. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.600 And when it comes to this universal math, not only 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.640 don't I know it all, I don't know what the 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.920 funk it is. I just know it's interesting. And any 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:52.040 opportunity to here Terrence break anything down from the flavor 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.440 of of a potato chip, a scene, or what universal 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.360 the universal math is, is an opportunity to look at 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:04.480 someone who maybe that's ship crazy but maybe actually genius. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:09.480 You don't know, right, and that that Okay, let's take 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.280 a step back here, because I think you're really you're 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.920 hitting some sweet spots and in my precious little heart. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.559 But what I'll say is is that Terrence Howard, I 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.120 did my best to sort of trace the build of 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.439 this narrative. I want to catch my listeners up a 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.920 little bit. And it seems like around like two thousand 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.920 and thirteen or so, became committed to the idea that 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.520 the math that we understand to be true, the things 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.160 that that we have held true for years and years 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.600 and years in terms of mathematic equations, is mostly false. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.319 And the core of that argument seems to be this 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.520 simple equation a I would argue a first or second 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.959 grade equation one times one equals one. That's the one 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.079 that he's super hung up on. Tell me more about 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.599 about where that goes wrong. I think what Terrence is 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.000 positing is almost related to quantum physics. It's like what 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.440 you see, it's not what you see, and that there's 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.560 more there because according to the universal math, one times 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:23.600 one is not one. One times one is two. Now 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.800 what I appreciate about that, even though I don't quite 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:32.640 understand it is it means I get more biscuits. You know, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.680 I can ask or biscuits when I go to Popeye's 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.720 and be like, one times one, I'm paying for one biscuit. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.839 I'm getting too. I can do a little bit of 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.520 work on my one ab but really it's not one. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.560 It is too. So according to Terrence, more is more. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.560 You know that to say one times one equals one 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:05.360 is to slight this idea of an increased quantity of 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.360 a thing. Now that's about all I completely understand, because 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.520 I feel like when I met him, I'll just give 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.880 you a little personal history. I used to write on 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:21.000 a show that rhymes with scampire, right, and when I 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.439 met this individual, he came in to talk to the 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.760 writing room about, you know, different things in his character. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.760 This was season two. I only worked on the season 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.920 two of the show. And when we when he sat down, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:36.280 he immediately locked eyes with me. I think it had yes, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:43.439 immediately lost right. He locked what I would say, light 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.839 eyes with me because I have light brown eyes. And 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.920 I think he saw the head wrap and the wide 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.120 nose and the light skin and he said, that's Faan 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.760 right there. And he started to talk. And I believe 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.320 he shared a bit of the mathematics. I'm not sure 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.520 because all I remember was him saying stonehenge and quasars. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.760 That's like what I walked away from, walked away from 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.360 the conversation with. And so I think in that moment 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.400 I got brain fucked. You know, I think he did 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:17.720 something to my brain. And yet and yet he created 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.880 he planted a seed of curiosity, like how I want 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.600 to understand this man because he as a light skinned 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:32.640 black actor. It's just what a very interesting career this 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.560 man has had. He has drummed his guitar as a 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.560 folk singer. He has written hip hop anthems for that 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.800 show that runs with Skimpire. You know, he has married 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:49.960 all kinds of women in the spectrum, not black women again, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.960 very interesting. No, he hasn't touched on that, but I 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.240 feel like his mathematics is his way of entree back 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:03.160 to us. Him saying like, I think very different, deeply, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.520 I pontificate very much like a hotel, you know. But 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.080 he's kind of like, I don't know. I just think 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.840 he's a fascinating being, you know what I'm saying. And 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:17.840 I say, like, does one times one equals to make sense? No, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.160 but need to do clouds. We don't understand how kangaroos 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.920 have those pouches, you know what I mean? And Captain 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.280 Candy it melts in amount, you know. So these are 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:35.200 things that like we can't be afraid to contemplate. Let 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.960 me let me jump in here, because I think you're 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:42.280 tapping into something really important, really vital in the Terrence 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.800 Howard universe that that he is building is this act 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.880 of questioning right that I think at its core, what 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.720 Terrence Howard is doing is questioning the universe that was 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.960 laid before us and saying why why does it have 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.320 to be this way? And while I even you know, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.160 admittedly do not at all aligned with new math or 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.280 universal math, it's not. That's not something where I find 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.080 myself buying in per se. I do funk with somebody 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.640 saying there's a bunch of things historically and personally that 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:21.080 I have been told to be objectively true and then 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.160 later found out it wasn't as objective as they wanted 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.640 me to believe. There were some some sort of like 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.280 gray areas within that that objective conversation. And I think 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.560 Terence is sort of doing that. I think that he represents, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:42.760 you know, this idea of pushing against something which black people. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.040 I mean, that's black culture, right is counterculture is kind 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.400 of creating something out of I mean, the fact that 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:55.400 we survived this middle passage and have created you know, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.040 culture in this country is is almost miraculous. I don't 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.360 think anyone could have Dick did it. When I was 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.600 in college, again one of my many attempts to align 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.879 with my blackness, because I was often doubted in spite 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.639 of having a chocolate mother and a wide nose, I 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.760 joined this group called the Sons and Daughters of Africa 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.159 at City College, and um, you know, at that time 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.119 in my twenties, I called myself African, you know, and 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:29.399 so you were like I'm not Black. I am African. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.760 That's right, a Kiblan. I guess that's what we used 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.679 to call Africa before it was called Africa by the Europeans. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.680 I was a part of the Sons and Daughters of Africa, 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.359 and I would call myself African. And I even found 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.480 like the most chocolate brother today who was from Africa, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.120 and he was Nigerian, and I would call myself African 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.919 and he one day he just was like c st, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.680 I just I want to say to you that I'm sorry, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:18:00.040 but you are not African. You are not Africa. And 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.760 I know you call yourself that's not who you are. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.280 And for so long I was offended, But now I 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.520 was like, wait a minute, I'm gonna claim American because 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.160 you know, out of this very dark past and legacy 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:18.479 of chattel slavery comes us who have created the culture 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.720 in this country for the last two hundred years. And 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.639 but we did it as an act of defiance. We 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.719 were not expected to survive and then thrive and then create. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.479 And so yeah, okay, I know most times we look 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.240 at Terrence and we go with the you know, like 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.080 what is this man is playing his guitar upside down, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.080 signs down? You know, did he get a bad batchel Coke? 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.560 What is the problem? But I do anyone who pushes 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.440 against you know, and who has like is rebellious and 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.440 nature to me is actually that's extra black to me, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.200 you know what I mean to say? Oh yeah, you've 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.520 got your which most of the theories, most of the 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.920 practices that we've adopted have come through uh Eurocentric paradigm. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:09.159 You know. Oh God, I'm sorry, hold on that. Who 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.760 are the whole tep in me? Was just your centric 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:21.600 you know what I'm saying, climb out. I almost made 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.840 you among being Kate and started burning some sage. But 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.600 it's true that so much of what we do we've 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.719 been conditioned to believe is the truth is the end 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.760 all is the alpha omega. Even alpha omega comes from 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:39.320 Eurocentric concepts of like what the apex of something is 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.240 or what the truth of something is. So yeah, Terence 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:47.520 is nuts, absolutely, But a lot of brilliance comes out 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.440 of you know, those people who are way off to 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.120 the left, you know, who've been left, who've been kind 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.879 of isolated, maybe a week longer than they should have 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.639 in their childhood, and they come up with all of 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.879 this stuff, you know, so I'm not mad at him 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.560 for triumph. Well, here's here's where I get fascinated, because 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.919 I I think I I agree that it is counter 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:13.919 culture that ultimately creates Culture, creates new culture, creates our 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.680 ability to exist in you know, America. As you're sort 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.080 of much more eloquently explaining my question, and the thing 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.360 that I've always struggled with is at what point does 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.080 counter culture become counterproductive? Do you know what I mean that? 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.480 Like you have figures like a Terrence Howard, like a 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.280 Kyrie Irving, you know, like uh, Kanye, all of these 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.960 people who are very clearly being counter for the sake 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.000 of being counter at times, and sometimes because I genuinely 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.000 believe it, And sometimes it's just like I need someone 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.040 to look at me, and it makes me sit and wonder, 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.800 at what point does that actually start to work towards 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.480 our detriment and not towards challenging us for the better. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.159 I think if I can attempt to respond to that is, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:07.480 you know, one we have to always remember that human 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.119 beings are evolving, you know, and that we should not 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.960 if something sounds like truth, let's apply it to what 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.120 we needed to be in the moment and then kind 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.280 of release it. Don't make it law, because what history 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.040 has told us over and over again, it's the minute 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.160 we put somebody up, they're gonna fall. Then we're gonna 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.600 see their flaws. We're gonna see there, we're gonna see holes. 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:33.880 But I think we have to kind of I hate 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.680 to use the word piecemeals, but like just take what 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.000 we can in the moment and just add it to 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.280 the cannon, you know, as opposed to adding the person 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.760 to the cannon. Add the philosophy, extrapolate the things that 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.280 we can use. Just you know, discard the things that 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.240 we cannot. I'm not saying discard the person, but just 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:58.040 remember that, you know, it's a mouthpiece connected to a 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.200 flawed human being, you know. And so I mean, I 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.840 was raised when I was coming up, my father would 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.000 take me to hear Farrakhan speak, and I was a 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.119 young black feminist at the time, and it was just 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.120 like it was hard for me sometimes to to sit 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.920 in in in places of the Nation of Islam and 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.480 see where women and men were separated. And what my 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.560 father always said is just take what you can from 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.359 this moment, like there are if you just listen to 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.920 if you listen to the entire teaching, you can extrapulate 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.440 what it is that you need for yourself. And I've 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.320 learned a lot from Farrakhan because I did not completely 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.040 cut him off. And I think where we are now 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.119 is the minute we see those flaws, we throw the 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.840 whole person away. We even throw the teachings away. You know, 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:48.800 we call it cancel culture right now. But I understand 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.359 even where that comes from. It's like, I need to 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.480 feel empowered, and I need to feel you've had some 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.399 choice in terms of what kind of enters your psyche 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:03.960 and who you consider a leader. You know, Yeah, just 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.080 take what you can and keep it moving. I think 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:10.280 you're you're making a really important point here and and 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:13.840 fair County, I don't think there's probably a better example 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.440 of a person who has who couldn't. He's so complicated 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.800 right that, like, there there are elements of his teachings, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.520 elements of the words that he says that I connect 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.000 with and believe in and think are super vital and 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.439 important for people to try to activate in their own lives. 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:34.760 And then he says a whole bunch of awful shit 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.600 about the Jews, and I'm like, ah, dog, you lost me, 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.000 big man. I really wanted to like you. And I 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.680 think to your point, that doesn't make the language that 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.800 he was sharing previous to his bad take on a 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:53.680 type of people any less valuable. It just means that 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:58.080 the person that sharing it is a complicated person, a 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.720 a person with flaws. We need to learn to accept 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.800 both of those things as true. I think when we, 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.480 you know, in the in the culture now, we have 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.680 this thing of calling women of a certain age auntie, right, 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.520 and I think the same applies to uncle. If if 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.480 you relate to these people as that relative in your 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:28.440 family who smokes newports and you know, wears a mesh tank, 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.080 you know, and his nipples are protruding, and he smells 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.359 like you know, his armpits are very rare, but his 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.600 playlist always gets everybody jumping. You know. Is he looking 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.960 at your second cousin? Is his his eyes looking a 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:49.720 little too long at her developing? Yeah, but we're exactly, 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.240 but we haven't completely thrown him away. And so that's 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.200 what that's all I'm saying about the terences of the 0:24:55.280 --> 0:25:00.480 world is like hear them out because any of coptunity 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.320 where you can challenge something you thought you knew is 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.480 a good thing, you know, and maybe one times one 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.800 is too. We don't, we don't know. From what I understand, 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:17.520 this man has spent seventeen hours a day researching this. Yeah, 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.840 it's it's not it's that's the other part of it 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.080 that that's so fascinating. And we'll get into some of 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:25.800 this in the research. I don't want to I don't 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.040 want to jump the gun on some of this. But 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:33.320 it's not something he's like just saying to say he 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.800 isn't bullshitting. He's spent a lot of time. He has 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:42.280 dot he has documented a fair amount of the time 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:47.400 that he spent and even published articles attempting to support 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.200 the claims that he's making with his his universal man. 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.359 So this is it as uh casual? I guess is 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.120 Kyrie going on, you know, a press conference and being 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.399 like the earth is flat and I and give a 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:04.159