Speaker 1: When your online at white castles and you only got
Speaker 1: money for one of them dirty asked burghers. Maybe, according
Speaker 1: to Terence is math, you get too because one times
Speaker 1: one eagles too, so you'll have whist the amount of
Speaker 1: bubble guts if you just if you can only ave
Speaker 1: four points racist money stuff, you can't tell me bang
Speaker 1: bang bang skeet skeet skeet. There it is, yep, there
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Speaker 1: happy you're here. We're gonna we're gonna have a silly
Speaker 1: ass time because you came with a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: that I don't even know really how to qualify it.
Speaker 1: Truly is an exciting conversation we're about to jump into,
Speaker 1: so I want to introduce it carefully. But you said
Speaker 1: my mama told me about Terence Howard and his new Math. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just the new math Linkston.
Speaker 1: It's called the universal math. And if you look very
Speaker 1: closely at the acronym, it's Tom tom me right, as
Speaker 1: in belly and Shaton, you know, as the some of
Speaker 1: the Black Muslims will call him, might try to skew
Speaker 1: that towards belly of the beast. But they say that
Speaker 1: your stomach is your second brain. So do you see
Speaker 1: in connection the universal tom tom as in tell me
Speaker 1: and second brain. I'm just saying that the signs of
Speaker 1: this new way of thinking have been there, even if
Speaker 1: we don't understand them, they're there. And thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you to Terrence, you know, for introducing my brain this concept.
Speaker 1: So okay, because you're coming in hot right now. Out
Speaker 1: you coming in, you've already did that that that hotep
Speaker 1: finger thing where squeeze your fingers together to orchestrate around you.
Speaker 1: You're you're already doing I'm wearing I'm wearing a head wrap.
Speaker 1: It just kind of goes with the territory. And as
Speaker 1: someone who's been extra extra excommunicated, I couldn't even say it.
Speaker 1: You see how the brain scramble, how they you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, they got in there. My brain transmitters
Speaker 1: as someone who's been excommunicated from several of these uh
Speaker 1: pontificating communities, from the hoteps for black israel lites, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I'm very familiar with mathematics, and it was Terrence.
Speaker 1: It was Terrence, so that I think that I feel
Speaker 1: gave me permission as a person in the Red Bone
Speaker 1: Brigade to go deeper, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: sometimes the sometimes when you're red bone, you light skin,
Speaker 1: A head wrap in a wide nose is not enough,
Speaker 1: especially that the light eyes. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: with this mathematics and these gestures, I am kind of
Speaker 1: being kind of welcomed into a skin tone a little
Speaker 1: darker than mine. If you understand, you're tapping into something
Speaker 1: very important here because for years, and I think that
Speaker 1: this is true about a lot of lighter skinned people,
Speaker 1: is that is that we are often accused of trying
Speaker 1: to overcompensate for for our connection to the black community,
Speaker 1: that that we overdo the work right, that we're trying
Speaker 1: too hard. And you're saying that for years, you found
Speaker 1: yourself in communities where you attempted to be a part
Speaker 1: of something, and they pushed you out of it because
Speaker 1: you might have been a try hard in their minds.
Speaker 1: But exactly inspired by Terrence Howard, you're saying, you're coming
Speaker 1: with new information, a new energy even to to approach
Speaker 1: these communities and say, jokes on you, motherfucker's I'm back.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Do you remember a TV movie called
Speaker 1: Queeney that starred halle Berry where she was playing the
Speaker 1: matriarch of Alex Haley right, and she burst into the
Speaker 1: church with her her pale, pale white skin. They actually
Speaker 1: lightened halle Berry for this role. If you can imagine
Speaker 1: Hallie being lighter. They lightened her to play Queeny and
Speaker 1: she bursts through the black church and she goes as Niggers.
Speaker 1: As Nigress terences math. It's my version of Ias Nickers.
Speaker 1: It gives the Red Bone Brigade a chance to own
Speaker 1: our beige rage, as I call it beige rage. We
Speaker 1: get to own it thanks to his mathematics. And it's
Speaker 1: not something exactly I get to say as Niggers without
Speaker 1: actually saying that. And you know, and it's not to
Speaker 1: say I completely understand the mathematics. I think that's the
Speaker 1: point of it is. You're not supposed to be able
Speaker 1: to clearly explain it to someone. You're supposed to drop
Speaker 1: put a little droplet in their mouths Um, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound right, but put a droplet in their mouth and
Speaker 1: create that curiosity so that they then go and become
Speaker 1: more confused. And you know, your level of confusion speaks
Speaker 1: to the level of passion. How badly do you want
Speaker 1: to unconfused your brain? See hold on, no, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: think now you you hit a spot right there. I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna hold you that that right there where
Speaker 1: you confuse somebody and then you check how much they
Speaker 1: they're committed to un confusing. That's it to the un confusing.
Speaker 1: That's a conference right there, Linkston, when you're ready to
Speaker 1: take this light scared, redbone, rage bage rage on the road.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, commit to un confusing your mind.
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't know what that acronym would be,
Speaker 1: but we figure it out. I will say that, even
Speaker 1: as you're talking and we have not clarified what terence
Speaker 1: sowards universal order it is, we will clarify all of that.
Speaker 1: Dear listener who is at home struggling right now with
Speaker 1: all of this conversation, but but fuck you, we're having fun.
Speaker 1: The point, even as you're talking, there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that feels like that is where philosophy started, right
Speaker 1: that even if we we want to take some of
Speaker 1: the these sort of like obviously tongue in cheek elements
Speaker 1: of some of this away, that there's this isn't that
Speaker 1: different than what Plato was doing with his boys back
Speaker 1: in in ancient Grecian times where he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe God could be a fucking wheel. And we were
Speaker 1: all pressed together and then we got separated and and
Speaker 1: granted that wasn't Plato, that's that it was one of
Speaker 1: his stupid ass friends. But the point is the philosophy
Speaker 1: is confusion with the goal of unconfusing. You're describing why
Speaker 1: why isn't un confusing as a term use more often?
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about Socrates and Plato that maybe during
Speaker 1: one of those Greek orgies, you know, like somebody bust
Speaker 1: off and they said, Okay, this was good, this was
Speaker 1: but I'm still unfulfilled because I have questions. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that questions are a good thing.
Speaker 1: Questions are a great way of leading a conversation, disarming somebody,
Speaker 1: but also kind of like saying, I don't know it all.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to this universal math, not only
Speaker 1: don't I know it all, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: funk it is. I just know it's interesting. And any
Speaker 1: opportunity to here Terrence break anything down from the flavor
Speaker 1: of of a potato chip, a scene, or what universal
Speaker 1: the universal math is, is an opportunity to look at
Speaker 1: someone who maybe that's ship crazy but maybe actually genius.
Speaker 1: You don't know, right, and that that Okay, let's take
Speaker 1: a step back here, because I think you're really you're
Speaker 1: hitting some sweet spots and in my precious little heart.
Speaker 1: But what I'll say is is that Terrence Howard, I
Speaker 1: did my best to sort of trace the build of
Speaker 1: this narrative. I want to catch my listeners up a
Speaker 1: little bit. And it seems like around like two thousand
Speaker 1: and thirteen or so, became committed to the idea that
Speaker 1: the math that we understand to be true, the things
Speaker 1: that that we have held true for years and years
Speaker 1: and years in terms of mathematic equations, is mostly false.
Speaker 1: And the core of that argument seems to be this
Speaker 1: simple equation a I would argue a first or second
Speaker 1: grade equation one times one equals one. That's the one
Speaker 1: that he's super hung up on. Tell me more about
Speaker 1: about where that goes wrong. I think what Terrence is
Speaker 1: positing is almost related to quantum physics. It's like what
Speaker 1: you see, it's not what you see, and that there's
Speaker 1: more there because according to the universal math, one times
Speaker 1: one is not one. One times one is two. Now
Speaker 1: what I appreciate about that, even though I don't quite
Speaker 1: understand it is it means I get more biscuits. You know,
Speaker 1: I can ask or biscuits when I go to Popeye's
Speaker 1: and be like, one times one, I'm paying for one biscuit.
Speaker 1: I'm getting too. I can do a little bit of
Speaker 1: work on my one ab but really it's not one.
Speaker 1: It is too. So according to Terrence, more is more.
Speaker 1: You know that to say one times one equals one
Speaker 1: is to slight this idea of an increased quantity of
Speaker 1: a thing. Now that's about all I completely understand, because
Speaker 1: I feel like when I met him, I'll just give
Speaker 1: you a little personal history. I used to write on
Speaker 1: a show that rhymes with scampire, right, and when I
Speaker 1: met this individual, he came in to talk to the
Speaker 1: writing room about, you know, different things in his character.
Speaker 1: This was season two. I only worked on the season
Speaker 1: two of the show. And when we when he sat down,
Speaker 1: he immediately locked eyes with me. I think it had yes,
Speaker 1: immediately lost right. He locked what I would say, light
Speaker 1: eyes with me because I have light brown eyes. And
Speaker 1: I think he saw the head wrap and the wide
Speaker 1: nose and the light skin and he said, that's Faan
Speaker 1: right there. And he started to talk. And I believe
Speaker 1: he shared a bit of the mathematics. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: because all I remember was him saying stonehenge and quasars.
Speaker 1: That's like what I walked away from, walked away from
Speaker 1: the conversation with. And so I think in that moment
Speaker 1: I got brain fucked. You know, I think he did
Speaker 1: something to my brain. And yet and yet he created
Speaker 1: he planted a seed of curiosity, like how I want
Speaker 1: to understand this man because he as a light skinned
Speaker 1: black actor. It's just what a very interesting career this
Speaker 1: man has had. He has drummed his guitar as a
Speaker 1: folk singer. He has written hip hop anthems for that
Speaker 1: show that runs with Skimpire. You know, he has married
Speaker 1: all kinds of women in the spectrum, not black women again,
Speaker 1: very interesting. No, he hasn't touched on that, but I
Speaker 1: feel like his mathematics is his way of entree back
Speaker 1: to us. Him saying like, I think very different, deeply,
Speaker 1: I pontificate very much like a hotel, you know. But
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, I don't know. I just think
Speaker 1: he's a fascinating being, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I say, like, does one times one equals to make sense? No,
Speaker 1: but need to do clouds. We don't understand how kangaroos
Speaker 1: have those pouches, you know what I mean? And Captain
Speaker 1: Candy it melts in amount, you know. So these are
Speaker 1: things that like we can't be afraid to contemplate. Let
Speaker 1: me let me jump in here, because I think you're
Speaker 1: tapping into something really important, really vital in the Terrence
Speaker 1: Howard universe that that he is building is this act
Speaker 1: of questioning right that I think at its core, what
Speaker 1: Terrence Howard is doing is questioning the universe that was
Speaker 1: laid before us and saying why why does it have
Speaker 1: to be this way? And while I even you know,
Speaker 1: admittedly do not at all aligned with new math or
Speaker 1: universal math, it's not. That's not something where I find
Speaker 1: myself buying in per se. I do funk with somebody
Speaker 1: saying there's a bunch of things historically and personally that
Speaker 1: I have been told to be objectively true and then
Speaker 1: later found out it wasn't as objective as they wanted
Speaker 1: me to believe. There were some some sort of like
Speaker 1: gray areas within that that objective conversation. And I think
Speaker 1: Terence is sort of doing that. I think that he represents,
Speaker 1: you know, this idea of pushing against something which black people.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's black culture, right is counterculture is kind
Speaker 1: of creating something out of I mean, the fact that
Speaker 1: we survived this middle passage and have created you know,
Speaker 1: culture in this country is is almost miraculous. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone could have Dick did it. When I was
Speaker 1: in college, again one of my many attempts to align
Speaker 1: with my blackness, because I was often doubted in spite
Speaker 1: of having a chocolate mother and a wide nose, I
Speaker 1: joined this group called the Sons and Daughters of Africa
Speaker 1: at City College, and um, you know, at that time
Speaker 1: in my twenties, I called myself African, you know, and
Speaker 1: so you were like I'm not Black. I am African.
Speaker 1: That's right, a Kiblan. I guess that's what we used
Speaker 1: to call Africa before it was called Africa by the Europeans.
Speaker 1: I was a part of the Sons and Daughters of Africa,
Speaker 1: and I would call myself African. And I even found
Speaker 1: like the most chocolate brother today who was from Africa,
Speaker 1: and he was Nigerian, and I would call myself African
Speaker 1: and he one day he just was like c st,
Speaker 1: I just I want to say to you that I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but you are not African. You are not Africa. And
Speaker 1: I know you call yourself that's not who you are.
Speaker 1: And for so long I was offended, But now I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, I'm gonna claim American because
Speaker 1: you know, out of this very dark past and legacy
Speaker 1: of chattel slavery comes us who have created the culture
Speaker 1: in this country for the last two hundred years. And
Speaker 1: but we did it as an act of defiance. We
Speaker 1: were not expected to survive and then thrive and then create.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, okay, I know most times we look
Speaker 1: at Terrence and we go with the you know, like
Speaker 1: what is this man is playing his guitar upside down,
Speaker 1: signs down? You know, did he get a bad batchel Coke?
Speaker 1: What is the problem? But I do anyone who pushes
Speaker 1: against you know, and who has like is rebellious and
Speaker 1: nature to me is actually that's extra black to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to say? Oh yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got your which most of the theories, most of the
Speaker 1: practices that we've adopted have come through uh Eurocentric paradigm.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh God, I'm sorry, hold on that. Who
Speaker 1: are the whole tep in me? Was just your centric
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, climb out. I almost made
Speaker 1: you among being Kate and started burning some sage. But
Speaker 1: it's true that so much of what we do we've
Speaker 1: been conditioned to believe is the truth is the end
Speaker 1: all is the alpha omega. Even alpha omega comes from
Speaker 1: Eurocentric concepts of like what the apex of something is
Speaker 1: or what the truth of something is. So yeah, Terence
Speaker 1: is nuts, absolutely, But a lot of brilliance comes out
Speaker 1: of you know, those people who are way off to
Speaker 1: the left, you know, who've been left, who've been kind
Speaker 1: of isolated, maybe a week longer than they should have
Speaker 1: in their childhood, and they come up with all of
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, so I'm not mad at him
Speaker 1: for triumph. Well, here's here's where I get fascinated, because
Speaker 1: I I think I I agree that it is counter
Speaker 1: culture that ultimately creates Culture, creates new culture, creates our
Speaker 1: ability to exist in you know, America. As you're sort
Speaker 1: of much more eloquently explaining my question, and the thing
Speaker 1: that I've always struggled with is at what point does
Speaker 1: counter culture become counterproductive? Do you know what I mean that?
Speaker 1: Like you have figures like a Terrence Howard, like a
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, you know, like uh, Kanye, all of these
Speaker 1: people who are very clearly being counter for the sake
Speaker 1: of being counter at times, and sometimes because I genuinely
Speaker 1: believe it, And sometimes it's just like I need someone
Speaker 1: to look at me, and it makes me sit and wonder,
Speaker 1: at what point does that actually start to work towards
Speaker 1: our detriment and not towards challenging us for the better.
Speaker 1: I think if I can attempt to respond to that is,
Speaker 1: you know, one we have to always remember that human
Speaker 1: beings are evolving, you know, and that we should not
Speaker 1: if something sounds like truth, let's apply it to what
Speaker 1: we needed to be in the moment and then kind
Speaker 1: of release it. Don't make it law, because what history
Speaker 1: has told us over and over again, it's the minute
Speaker 1: we put somebody up, they're gonna fall. Then we're gonna
Speaker 1: see their flaws. We're gonna see there, we're gonna see holes.
Speaker 1: But I think we have to kind of I hate
Speaker 1: to use the word piecemeals, but like just take what
Speaker 1: we can in the moment and just add it to
Speaker 1: the cannon, you know, as opposed to adding the person
Speaker 1: to the cannon. Add the philosophy, extrapolate the things that
Speaker 1: we can use. Just you know, discard the things that
Speaker 1: we cannot. I'm not saying discard the person, but just
Speaker 1: remember that, you know, it's a mouthpiece connected to a
Speaker 1: flawed human being, you know. And so I mean, I
Speaker 1: was raised when I was coming up, my father would
Speaker 1: take me to hear Farrakhan speak, and I was a
Speaker 1: young black feminist at the time, and it was just
Speaker 1: like it was hard for me sometimes to to sit
Speaker 1: in in in places of the Nation of Islam and
Speaker 1: see where women and men were separated. And what my
Speaker 1: father always said is just take what you can from
Speaker 1: this moment, like there are if you just listen to
Speaker 1: if you listen to the entire teaching, you can extrapulate
Speaker 1: what it is that you need for yourself. And I've
Speaker 1: learned a lot from Farrakhan because I did not completely
Speaker 1: cut him off. And I think where we are now
Speaker 1: is the minute we see those flaws, we throw the
Speaker 1: whole person away. We even throw the teachings away. You know,
Speaker 1: we call it cancel culture right now. But I understand
Speaker 1: even where that comes from. It's like, I need to
Speaker 1: feel empowered, and I need to feel you've had some
Speaker 1: choice in terms of what kind of enters your psyche
Speaker 1: and who you consider a leader. You know, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: take what you can and keep it moving. I think
Speaker 1: you're you're making a really important point here and and
Speaker 1: fair County, I don't think there's probably a better example
Speaker 1: of a person who has who couldn't. He's so complicated
Speaker 1: right that, like, there there are elements of his teachings,
Speaker 1: elements of the words that he says that I connect
Speaker 1: with and believe in and think are super vital and
Speaker 1: important for people to try to activate in their own lives.
Speaker 1: And then he says a whole bunch of awful shit
Speaker 1: about the Jews, and I'm like, ah, dog, you lost me,
Speaker 1: big man. I really wanted to like you. And I
Speaker 1: think to your point, that doesn't make the language that
Speaker 1: he was sharing previous to his bad take on a
Speaker 1: type of people any less valuable. It just means that
Speaker 1: the person that sharing it is a complicated person, a
Speaker 1: a person with flaws. We need to learn to accept
Speaker 1: both of those things as true. I think when we,
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the culture now, we have
Speaker 1: this thing of calling women of a certain age auntie, right,
Speaker 1: and I think the same applies to uncle. If if
Speaker 1: you relate to these people as that relative in your
Speaker 1: family who smokes newports and you know, wears a mesh tank,
Speaker 1: you know, and his nipples are protruding, and he smells
Speaker 1: like you know, his armpits are very rare, but his
Speaker 1: playlist always gets everybody jumping. You know. Is he looking
Speaker 1: at your second cousin? Is his his eyes looking a
Speaker 1: little too long at her developing? Yeah, but we're exactly,
Speaker 1: but we haven't completely thrown him away. And so that's
Speaker 1: what that's all I'm saying about the terences of the
Speaker 1: world is like hear them out because any of coptunity
Speaker 1: where you can challenge something you thought you knew is
Speaker 1: a good thing, you know, and maybe one times one
Speaker 1: is too. We don't, we don't know. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: this man has spent seventeen hours a day researching this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's that's the other part of it
Speaker 1: that that's so fascinating. And we'll get into some of
Speaker 1: this in the research. I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to jump the gun on some of this. But
Speaker 1: it's not something he's like just saying to say he
Speaker 1: isn't bullshitting. He's spent a lot of time. He has
Speaker 1: dot he has documented a fair amount of the time
Speaker 1: that he spent and even published articles attempting to support
Speaker 1: the claims that he's making with his his universal man.
Speaker 1: So this is it as uh casual? I guess is
Speaker 1: Kyrie going on, you know, a press conference and being
Speaker 1: like the earth is flat and I and give a
Speaker 1: funk what the repercussions are here? He's dedicating his life,
Speaker 1: put in the work. He's got the charts, and you know,
Speaker 1: do I give you am I giving a warning before
Speaker 1: you go and look at it? Am I telling it
Speaker 1: might scramble your fucking brain. It might do that. But
Speaker 1: the man put the man put a lot of work
Speaker 1: in and maybe jumping into what might be psychosis, maybe
Speaker 1: there's still something, you know, maybe there's something to take
Speaker 1: away from it. It's all I'm saying. That's beautiful, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a more beautiful way to
Speaker 1: go to a break of being like that crazy motherfucker
Speaker 1: still has hope, and we should treat more crazy motherfucker's
Speaker 1: like there's some hope left in them away. Yes, I
Speaker 1: love that. All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with more round of the lake and more.
Speaker 1: My mama told me, we back. This is one that
Speaker 1: will like into the bank like ha ha ha ha
Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yep, we're back
Speaker 1: here were more rut of like more. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: I always regret pressing that button as soon as I
Speaker 1: do it, I said to myself, you just trapped yourself
Speaker 1: in a one minute long drop of evil man laughing
Speaker 1: about people dying from a disease. Anyway, we're still talking
Speaker 1: about Terrence Howard in his Universal Math New Math or
Speaker 1: and this is something we haven't brought up yet, at
Speaker 1: least in terms of the title. You may know it
Speaker 1: as terriology. You terriology before is terriology on your radars?
Speaker 1: As a name that it goes by. You know, I
Speaker 1: have to say something else about names. Is I think
Speaker 1: I might have in the past dismissed, dismissed Terrence Howard,
Speaker 1: and then I realized his name is Terrence Seawn Howard.
Speaker 1: You know, it's my version of the head rack, like okay,
Speaker 1: red bull light skin, but with a name like to
Speaker 1: Sean you got come on now, can't dismiss him. There's
Speaker 1: there's something there that I just wanted to say that
Speaker 1: that brother is undeniably black. Whether that's right, whether he
Speaker 1: likes it or whether we like it, that's all up
Speaker 1: her games. But that motherfucker is black as shit, Terence.
Speaker 1: There's nothing blacker than creating recreating a law around mathematics.
Speaker 1: I mean, should I bring up the five percenters? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, come on, so Terrets in
Speaker 1: his beige days, that's a black man. It doesn't feel
Speaker 1: any less confusing to me than like some of like
Speaker 1: Woo Tank's early ship where it's just like them like
Speaker 1: doing equations and ship that Like I'm not tracking this
Speaker 1: at all, Playboy. I don't know the street price of cocaine.
Speaker 1: So none of this makes sense to me. But look
Speaker 1: how he was. You know, they say Wu Tang loves
Speaker 1: the children. The children are forced to do math? Did
Speaker 1: they re engaged? You know? Thirty six Chamber. I mean,
Speaker 1: math is all present in the whole world. And so
Speaker 1: that is the blackest thing I think a person can
Speaker 1: do is like not only referred to mathematics, but reinvent them,
Speaker 1: you know, as a fuck you to the hundreds, the
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of years of mathematics that we've been following.
Speaker 1: Is to reinvent mathematics. That's black as hell. I like
Speaker 1: that and that I think that's a good segue into
Speaker 1: our research because it got me thinking if Terrence Howard
Speaker 1: is in this space of creating new math, a universal
Speaker 1: math that he believes to be true. It got me
Speaker 1: asking the question where does math actually come from? Like
Speaker 1: what is the origin of mathematics? And as we understand it?
Speaker 1: And again i'm I'm there's a there's a heavy quotation
Speaker 1: around we, right, And before I even go that's how
Speaker 1: they get you, because the we that that is sort
Speaker 1: of being presented to the world in terms of our
Speaker 1: understanding of modern mathematics came from like this dude, Archimedes. Right,
Speaker 1: they're saying, like Archimedes from old ask Grecian times is
Speaker 1: considered like the founder, the the father of modern mathematics
Speaker 1: because of all of the contributions he did to us
Speaker 1: figuring out, as you know, every kind of equation, including
Speaker 1: one plus one or one times one equals one. Right,
Speaker 1: that said the the commitment, or rather it made me
Speaker 1: ask the question, how much of our commitment to our
Speaker 1: comedies is just us deciding that this person was going
Speaker 1: to be the figurehead and not actually doing the real
Speaker 1: research beyond that starting point. Because we know historically there
Speaker 1: were civilizations well before our comedies ever existed that that
Speaker 1: built thinks that that had structures and all sorts of
Speaker 1: like cool stuff going on that had to have required
Speaker 1: some version of mathematic equations that had to require them
Speaker 1: to measure in and count and do all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that required math that Archimedes had nothing to do with. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, great like yes, again, this goes back
Speaker 1: to questioning something that has been kind of accepted as
Speaker 1: law and universal truth. I'm thinking about this particular African
Speaker 1: tribe and I feel terrible because the name is escaping me.
Speaker 1: Right now. I want to say the dumb, oh, the
Speaker 1: Duan people who, when they were first discovered, you know,
Speaker 1: would create etchings of our solar system. They didn't have telescopes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They didn't have telescopes, they
Speaker 1: didn't have the apparatus to actually affirm these things. But
Speaker 1: when modern science of the time compared, it was all correct,
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's been speculated that they had
Speaker 1: some kind of connection to an alien life force. But
Speaker 1: here is this isolated community of people who have been
Speaker 1: practicing a certain belief system for hundreds of years outside
Speaker 1: of the law. The things that we are saying is law,
Speaker 1: and there was an accuracy, you know that it was succinct,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was how they lived their lives.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what we don't see, we don't know,
Speaker 1: you know. And if we don't know, we don't see it,
Speaker 1: we can't challenge it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like it just seems like once we decided that
Speaker 1: these uh philosophers and uh the great minds of those days,
Speaker 1: which all came out of Europe, Europe, Like, once we
Speaker 1: decided that, okay, this is what we're gonna go with.
Speaker 1: We just then everything seemed to be quantified or qualified
Speaker 1: by people who worked like that, and it's not until now.
Speaker 1: I remember I saw a movie and it was about
Speaker 1: an alien life force that supposedly created the Egyptian Pyramids.
Speaker 1: Is the name of this movie, you know, noting not
Speaker 1: quite that one that's very scientific, but it wasn't cone Heads.
Speaker 1: But in this film, because the ship was the shape
Speaker 1: of a hollow pyramid, the theory being put forward is
Speaker 1: that the pyramids were formed because the ship would land
Speaker 1: every so hundred years. God is the name, It's on
Speaker 1: the tip of my tongue. And and the way they
Speaker 1: were able to get into this world was going through
Speaker 1: some kind of portal. I'm forgetting that. My point is
Speaker 1: that I think when we don't understand something, we create
Speaker 1: some kind of theory, and that theory is still connected to,
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of your eurocentric lens or understanding
Speaker 1: of something, and we will take something on and we
Speaker 1: will make it long and not challenge it and not
Speaker 1: challenge it at all. And I think even more to
Speaker 1: that point there it's a question of communication that like
Speaker 1: these people who existed before Archimedes or the mathematicians who
Speaker 1: who knew math before this, your Eurocentric lens gets involved,
Speaker 1: had for various reasons, no reason or way of communicating
Speaker 1: with the people who then set the standard of what
Speaker 1: the world is Christianity for? Is it stargate is what
Speaker 1: Olivia is saying in the chat state. So I think
Speaker 1: with that, it's it's like the Bible, right. It reminds
Speaker 1: me so much of the way that Christianity worked. So
Speaker 1: so we know that for years the written word didn't exist,
Speaker 1: that every story that we're hearing was just people talking
Speaker 1: that like I had to tell the story to a person,
Speaker 1: who then hold a story to a person, and that
Speaker 1: was the transference of knowledge. And then at some point
Speaker 1: some fucking weirdo decided that they were going to write
Speaker 1: things down, and then that became documented as permanence. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that that permanence was the correct version
Speaker 1: of the story. That doesn't mean that this math, as
Speaker 1: we understand it is even the correct version of math.
Speaker 1: It is just the math that got standardized for all
Speaker 1: of us at this point in society to understand. And
Speaker 1: so Terrence Howard, be he right or be he insane,
Speaker 1: is at least going a bro, I've been recalculating, and
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it in his voice, Lank study
Speaker 1: you know better, right see, And that's what that quiver,
Speaker 1: the quiver in his voice might be the knowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's why he's shaking so much, because he is
Speaker 1: bubbling with this knowledge. No, seriously, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: Olivia for bringing up the title Stargate, because when I
Speaker 1: watched that movie and I saw what was Hollywood's version
Speaker 1: of a revisionist idea, I thought gall goal of the
Speaker 1: storytellers to try to diminish. And I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: about the pyramids, like they equated all Egyptian things, from
Speaker 1: the scab and the symbols to the hyry glyphith to
Speaker 1: an alien race. That it couldn't have been the intelligence
Speaker 1: of the the Egyptians. They still don't know how Egyptians
Speaker 1: build the pyramids, and that they're hollow and side and
Speaker 1: they don't implode. They don't, you know. But the goal
Speaker 1: of those people too, to create a revision revisionists, even
Speaker 1: though it's a narrative revisionist history around and listen. As
Speaker 1: a storyteller, I know the way and power of creating
Speaker 1: story in shaping influencing a narrative. And there's some kid
Speaker 1: who saw that who thinks that Egyptian, Egyptian culture came
Speaker 1: out of fucking aliens. But my point is that all
Speaker 1: that Terrence is exhibiting is the same thing that the
Speaker 1: Galileos and Socrates, that is gal like the unmitigated gal
Speaker 1: to say that this thing I'm theorizing is truth or
Speaker 1: could be truth. And so you gotta admire in a
Speaker 1: society where so many of our leaders have been assassinated
Speaker 1: by the time that were forty years old. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even have to bring up the
Speaker 1: prison industrial complex before a black man to spend seventeen
Speaker 1: hours a day on a particular theory and then put
Speaker 1: it out there, you gotta admire the gal or balls
Speaker 1: I should say that Terence, you know, is exhibiting. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: let's not forget about the whole marvel part of it all.
Speaker 1: Like this man, I'm glad because this man. Do you
Speaker 1: think that's how you come up with seventeen hours in
Speaker 1: your day is to have to have to have some
Speaker 1: free time brought on by your shall we say difficult personality?
Speaker 1: I think firing is another way, Yes, in his and
Speaker 1: from history. For those of you that are unaware, Terrence
Speaker 1: Howard has become infamous in Hollywood is one of the
Speaker 1: more difficult people to have around when you are acting, performing,
Speaker 1: just talking, just being in a space. It seems Terence
Speaker 1: Howard tends to make things a lot, a lot more
Speaker 1: difficult than they were previously and specifically one of his
Speaker 1: most infamous firings, and firing is probably a weighted word
Speaker 1: in this case. But he was the the original roadie
Speaker 1: in Iron Man. And I didn't know this. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you know this, but he actually was the
Speaker 1: highest paid person on that film, the original Iron Man talent.
Speaker 1: Howard got paid more than Robert Downey Jr. Himself For
Speaker 1: the for acting in that film. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I just want to add a little something really quickly,
Speaker 1: is that I have to say this from everyone who
Speaker 1: worked with him on the set of that show that
Speaker 1: runs with Skimpire, they said he was the most professional.
Speaker 1: They said he was the most professional. I want to
Speaker 1: add that in yes, that he was the most professional.
Speaker 1: He showed up one time, he had all his lines memorized.
Speaker 1: It's not to say that he would not pitch some
Speaker 1: crazy shit but he, from what I understand, was very professional.
Speaker 1: That is interesting. Did not know he was the highest
Speaker 1: paid actor, but not only the highest paid, but he
Speaker 1: was one of the first people brought onto the film
Speaker 1: that he was on it well before Robert was. He
Speaker 1: made three point five to four point five million dollars
Speaker 1: for his performance in Iron Man, and then he also
Speaker 1: claims he had to take a one million dollar pay
Speaker 1: cut from that because he advocated for Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 1: When the studio, when Marvel was still unsure about bringing
Speaker 1: a former drug addict on as the star of their
Speaker 1: their you know, blossoming series of films. So Terrence Howard,
Speaker 1: in theory, is the reason we have Iron Man the
Speaker 1: way that we do. So you mean to tell me, brother,
Speaker 1: that that one Terrence Howard times that one Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 1: Equals to high paid. You see. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that he's been working his math from the beginning. He's
Speaker 1: been choreographing something. And again I'm going back to Gaul.
Speaker 1: You are the highest paid nick on the set and
Speaker 1: you got the nerve to tell Marvel, I'm we'll offer
Speaker 1: the next movie. Well this that it's it's partly what happened,
Speaker 1: what he claims happened, and what what is sort of
Speaker 1: uh in the air in terms of actually what transpired
Speaker 1: is that part of his contracts said that if there
Speaker 1: was a second or third film, which he was signed
Speaker 1: on for three films, as he claims, if there was
Speaker 1: a second or third film, he would make somewhere between
Speaker 1: five million and eight million dollars for those films. Now,
Speaker 1: after the first film success, which nobody expected, right, that
Speaker 1: Ironman film turned into something that they certainly did not
Speaker 1: guess it would be, which is now you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: films deep in terms of various spinoffs in in universe building.
Speaker 1: Right that said, when the second film came around, Marvel
Speaker 1: came back to him and basically offered him a one
Speaker 1: million dollar check instead and said you are not essential
Speaker 1: to the creation of this project and therefore will take
Speaker 1: your worth in this project, which is why he asked
Speaker 1: for more money, and then went on to call Robert
Speaker 1: Downey Jr. He says, twenty one times in a day,
Speaker 1: trying to get his friend quote unquote to advocate for
Speaker 1: him the same way he advocated for him the first
Speaker 1: time they went through it. Oh ship you see, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like and we were just about to dismiss
Speaker 1: this guy and his universal mathematics, which probably came as
Speaker 1: a result of like saying the numbers don't add up,
Speaker 1: Like that's probably something he had in mind. And so
Speaker 1: you know, they say adversity is our greatest teacher, Like wait,
Speaker 1: not only okay, this is no information, thank you Linkston.
Speaker 1: I did not know this stuff about this the lore
Speaker 1: of this marvel legacy got replaced and then tried to
Speaker 1: do the okay dough like we weren't gonna notice that
Speaker 1: you don't replace the red bone with chocolate, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and I'm not mad, I'm not mad at he's the best.
Speaker 1: He's amazing, and it works, that chemistry work. But you
Speaker 1: know that when that happened, black people were like, Terence,
Speaker 1: you dumb asked, you know what I mean, like, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna go and f this the same thing
Speaker 1: that they did to Dave Chappelle. It's like when it
Speaker 1: comes to this money thing, which we've made into a
Speaker 1: god um, like how dar you black man turn you know,
Speaker 1: challenge the white man's dollar. And look, we I'm sure
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't know what you just shared
Speaker 1: in terms of what he was contractually, what do you
Speaker 1: agree to? And then now they did an okay dope
Speaker 1: on him, like, I do not know that information, And
Speaker 1: I think that is it's all complicated, right, because it
Speaker 1: is coming from Terrence Howard himself. These are his claims,
Speaker 1: so there is the possibility of it not being true.
Speaker 1: But at its core, this is a person saying, yo,
Speaker 1: I advocated for something, and then intentionally, this studio and
Speaker 1: a larger corporation is building propaganda around the personality that,
Speaker 1: whether whether right or wrong, I've had for a while
Speaker 1: that like Terrence Howard by this point is already known
Speaker 1: as a difficult person. And so the studio is looking
Speaker 1: at this situation and saying, we can short change this
Speaker 1: individual and if if he decides not to go along
Speaker 1: with what we're offering, we'll tell everybody's crazy and it's
Speaker 1: too hard to work with, and then we will replace
Speaker 1: him with somebody who everybody knows is a sweetheart and
Speaker 1: has never offended anyone. Yeah, and you know, it's so funny,
Speaker 1: this idea of difficult as a person who you know,
Speaker 1: had it, had their dealings with the industry. When I
Speaker 1: first started writing in TV, I had become very close
Speaker 1: friends with a lot of the people in the writing
Speaker 1: the first show that I worked on, which was a
Speaker 1: get down first Hollywood, you know, TV writing room and
Speaker 1: in the room, and I wasn't really even paying attention
Speaker 1: to gender because, to be honest with you, I thought
Speaker 1: there'd be more challenges around race than my gender. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention to who most of the people
Speaker 1: in the room described as difficult until I looked up
Speaker 1: one day and I was like, all the people that
Speaker 1: they're talking about a women, right, all the people they're
Speaker 1: talking about of color, And so this narrative around difficult,
Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder like if the same behavior came from
Speaker 1: you know, Terence, this white counterpart. And listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that Terence ain't difficult, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this motherfucker ain't crazy, Okay, But I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: very easy for us to fold in to that narrative
Speaker 1: of the difficult person, which in Hollywood often is female.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, it's just a very easy narrative to
Speaker 1: create around someone who doesn't fall into line, doesn't fall
Speaker 1: in line the way we like them to. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So and so I think you're making
Speaker 1: a really important point because to the question of difficult
Speaker 1: and this is going to be around a way sort
Speaker 1: of getting back to what you're saying, but I think
Speaker 1: it's important. Terrence Howard first introduces his conversation of new
Speaker 1: math of of teriology in a Rolling Stone interview he
Speaker 1: did in right and the rolling Stone interview is meant
Speaker 1: to be actually amid a bit of a like a
Speaker 1: celebration of this figure who went from being a massive
Speaker 1: movie star, Hustle and flow, crash, iron Man, all these
Speaker 1: things that were huge, the best Man, you get it,
Speaker 1: all these things, yeah, that then are taken away from
Speaker 1: him because of what he is, you know, being labeled
Speaker 1: as as this difficult person and then somehow finding his
Speaker 1: way back to success with a surprise hit of Empire.
Speaker 1: This article comes out. It's meant to make him look
Speaker 1: cool and and interesting and sort of like but also
Speaker 1: honest and and raw and all the things, but it
Speaker 1: ends up being and I've read the article, it ends
Speaker 1: up feeling a lot like I guess the best way
Speaker 1: to say is like an expose on a super villain
Speaker 1: after like they've they've lost to the Justice League. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean him standing in a in
Speaker 1: a high rise apartment, staring at himself in a mirror,
Speaker 1: and silk pajamas wended by yes and silk robe and boxers,
Speaker 1: and he's surrounded by all these objects he's built, these
Speaker 1: terriology objects that he he has that are plastic all
Speaker 1: around the house that he and his then wife have
Speaker 1: like constructed, and and it's it's him, I guess, pontificating
Speaker 1: about the complexity of the world and the world he's created.
Speaker 1: But it's very haunting the interview. I think, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: in agreeing with you. I'm so simultaneously adding silk robe
Speaker 1: and Boxers to my dream band list. I have a
Speaker 1: list of dream bands, and that would be I'd love
Speaker 1: to see silk robing Boxers open Cotchella one year. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I agree. I read that same article and they
Speaker 1: completely it was farcical. It was like, let's sit back
Speaker 1: and laugh at this nutbag, you know who lost it all.
Speaker 1: He had the chance of a lifetime, and um I did.
Speaker 1: I did feel a little empathetic at the end because
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he didn't sign up for that.
Speaker 1: He probably was so happy that someone would listen to
Speaker 1: his theory around the new universal mathematteriology that he just
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he does that when you give
Speaker 1: him a platform. This is someone who probably feels like
Speaker 1: you've dismissed me as a light skin light eye having,
Speaker 1: you know, cute guy who's on a black soap opera
Speaker 1: and you don't think I have any And I and
Speaker 1: I feel for actors in that way, and that we
Speaker 1: often dismissed their level of intelligence and think that they
Speaker 1: aren't more than the roles that they play. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: you give him a platform to talk about something and okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he may have said a little too much that, you know,
Speaker 1: more than you could digest in a sit down, you know,
Speaker 1: and I won't sit down, but you could feel where
Speaker 1: the journals just like, you know what, I'm gonna pivot
Speaker 1: and I'm going to let the people know that I
Speaker 1: sat with this nutbag for an hour and let him
Speaker 1: just hang himself, so to speak, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And too, there were moments in that where I do
Speaker 1: think that he was relatively articulate about some of the
Speaker 1: things that that have been labeled challenging or difficult in
Speaker 1: his personality. Like there is that moment where they asked
Speaker 1: him about The Best Man and like sort of like
Speaker 1: his the the infamy he built on that set, even
Speaker 1: the fact that that was this first sort of like
Speaker 1: breakout role, and with that they they labeled him difficult
Speaker 1: after the shooting of The Best Man, And he said, look,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they wanted to make
Speaker 1: me to make choices as an actor that didn't feel
Speaker 1: correct to the role that I had been given. That
Speaker 1: like I they wanted me to do these lines funny
Speaker 1: and like like read them like a slapstick sort of
Speaker 1: like sidekick character. And he was like, Nigga, I played
Speaker 1: guitar upside down. I wanted to read it like a
Speaker 1: man who plays guitar upside down. And it ended up
Speaker 1: landing better than it would have landed if he did
Speaker 1: it the silly billy way. But for for that communication,
Speaker 1: for that set, for all the people involved, the relationship
Speaker 1: was challenged right, if not burned completely right. And I
Speaker 1: think that it speaks to the expectations of actors. I think,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to black actors and black artisans
Speaker 1: where and I won't say we because I'm not an actor,
Speaker 1: but like the idea is, like you should be so
Speaker 1: grateful that you got this role. Don't come in here
Speaker 1: and challenging, mixing things up. And this is something else
Speaker 1: I want to add to this really quickly. It's like
Speaker 1: we may have seen Terence for the first time and
Speaker 1: the best Man, but who knows how long he's been
Speaker 1: out there pavement, you know, beating the pavement. And it
Speaker 1: was this musician Kamassi Washington who talked about this thing
Speaker 1: of just because people have discovered you in this particular moment,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you aren't a vet and that
Speaker 1: you haven't been at this thing for a very long time.
Speaker 1: So we may see Terrence Howard in the Bestment as
Speaker 1: this new young actor, but if he actually has been
Speaker 1: at this thing for ten years or so, like, does
Speaker 1: he not have a right to try to challenge you know,
Speaker 1: what he thought the role was gonna be. You know,
Speaker 1: I just think there's this culture of just shut up
Speaker 1: and dribble, Just shut up and take the check, Just
Speaker 1: shut up and take the shine, don't challenge and as
Speaker 1: black artisans, as black women, as but queer people, as
Speaker 1: people on the margins. The message here is shut up,
Speaker 1: be glad, you gotta pay check. Dave Chappelle be glad
Speaker 1: you gotta pay check, Terrence, don't challenge you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I will say that even with that, it also
Speaker 1: ignores to your point about your existence before this. It
Speaker 1: ignores some of the logic and reasoning of the human
Speaker 1: underneath all of this. That while in reading this article
Speaker 1: you also read about his father and the fact that
Speaker 1: his father was arrested and taking to jail for a
Speaker 1: long time when Terrence was two years old for stabbing
Speaker 1: someone while they were standing in line to meet Santa
Speaker 1: at the mall. That basically a family was standing in line.
Speaker 1: His father, I guess, stepped in front of that family.
Speaker 1: They got into an argument about who was there first,
Speaker 1: or whether or not his father and their families should
Speaker 1: have been allowed to go first. His father gets angry,
Speaker 1: pulls out a fucking nail file, stabs a man. Man dies,
Speaker 1: and then blood splatters everywhere, including on young Terrence Howard,
Speaker 1: who was two years old at the time, and then
Speaker 1: is full first I guess to grow up fatherless for
Speaker 1: a big portion of his life. And with that, this
Speaker 1: new math, whether right or wrong, has to come from
Speaker 1: a place of at least attempting to make sense of
Speaker 1: a world that isn't offering him answers in any reasoned way.
Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, No, I absolutely see that as like this,
Speaker 1: someone is just trying to understand things, try to better
Speaker 1: understand their world. And yes, I mean that is to
Speaker 1: me the point of existing. You know. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it even kind of connects to this kind of the
Speaker 1: vaccine debate. It's like, I'm not mad at people that challenge,
Speaker 1: you know, and want better understanding because that group think,
Speaker 1: you know, that group think mentality is like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's what turns us into sheep. So yeah, Terrence sounds
Speaker 1: like there's baggage. That's I was like, there might be
Speaker 1: some mental health challenges. Who doesn't have mental health challenges?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone has their basket, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I will say that that I think, and this
Speaker 1: goes back to my original sort of question is how
Speaker 1: do we reach a point where we are able to
Speaker 1: challenge things without being a detriment to the people around us.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the careful game that we're
Speaker 1: all learning to do in managing our own mental illnesses
Speaker 1: or challenges, personal or or public, whatever it is. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should question the vaccine for myself personally, I should
Speaker 1: ask is this essential? Am I doing the right thing? Uh?
Speaker 1: Is there any possibility that the government does not have
Speaker 1: my my best interests at heart? All of those things
Speaker 1: are normal, healthy questions to be asking. But then to
Speaker 1: take those questions to the strue eats without ever having
Speaker 1: attempted to find answers to those questions first is the
Speaker 1: danger is where it starts to become unhealthy behavior and
Speaker 1: dangerous behavior. Now where I think this is a a
Speaker 1: cool flip is Terrence Howard's New Math ain't hurting nobody.
Speaker 1: That ship ain't. It's not anti vaccine, It's it's literally
Speaker 1: a nigga being like, hey, one times one equals to somebody.
Speaker 1: Somebody talked to me about this ship, and it isn't
Speaker 1: the most brilliant thing I've ever seen, but it truly
Speaker 1: is not violent in any way, shape or form. I
Speaker 1: just say, like, question everything, but also leave the window
Speaker 1: slightly cracked, you know, to there being something to something
Speaker 1: within that everything that might be helpful to you, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the flip side of this is
Speaker 1: a cautionary tale. When you have too much time your
Speaker 1: hands what can happen. But yeah, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at Terrence and I you know, he's so talented,
Speaker 1: Like we can't dismiss that, you know, Like he's the
Speaker 1: reason I watched The Best Man over and over again.
Speaker 1: I think his performances so understated. And I think he's
Speaker 1: one of those people who, you know, we we could
Speaker 1: go on and on about our version of the oscars
Speaker 1: and and and what things get, you know, our scene
Speaker 1: of merit when you revisit these institutions and what they award. Like,
Speaker 1: he's one of those actors that, like, I've seen him
Speaker 1: in different things, and I'm like, this man is talented.
Speaker 1: You know, he's talented. And I don't know, maybe if
Speaker 1: he got more support or you know, maybe if he
Speaker 1: had a chance to address, you know, the trauma in
Speaker 1: his life, he wouldn't have seventeen hours devoted towards this
Speaker 1: new man. I think that he's a man who needs
Speaker 1: to unpack, and maybe we have a little more responsibility
Speaker 1: in helping him on back instead of laughing at his
Speaker 1: interesting equations. I think it would be I it would
Speaker 1: be a mistake for us to go on break without
Speaker 1: me reading you this quote. This is a fun quote.
Speaker 1: I found fun is in quotations. But I a quote
Speaker 1: from Terrence Howard where he says, and this is in
Speaker 1: relation to his new Math, where he says, since I
Speaker 1: was a child of three or four, I was always wondering,
Speaker 1: you know, why does a bubble take the shape of
Speaker 1: a ball? Why not a triangle or a square? I
Speaker 1: figured it out. If Pythagoras was here to see it,
Speaker 1: he would lose his mind. Einstein to Tesla, this is
Speaker 1: the last century that our children will ever have been
Speaker 1: taught that one times one is one. They won't have
Speaker 1: to grow up in ignorance. Twenty years from now, they'll
Speaker 1: know that one times one equals too. We're about to
Speaker 1: show a new truth, the true universal math. And the
Speaker 1: proof is in the pieces I have created, the pieces
Speaker 1: that make up the motion of the universe. We work
Speaker 1: on them about seventy now, wurds today she cuts and
Speaker 1: puts on the crystal, she being his wife. I do
Speaker 1: the main work of soldering them together. They tell the
Speaker 1: truth from within. M h. It's beautiful. Poet, poetry, poetry, poetry.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with more. Out of like more, My mama told me,
Speaker 1: and we are back. Oh yes, Kenny, Lenda nigga a pencil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here. We're more aroud of like more. My
Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about Newman and Terrence
Speaker 1: Howard and the question of of asking more questions, of
Speaker 1: challenging the unit verse in front of you. And with that,
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better intro into playing a game.
Speaker 1: Would you like to play a game? It's a game
Speaker 1: that we play on this show all the time. It's
Speaker 1: one of my my personal favorites. It's a game that
Speaker 1: I call white lies ugly. You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: Give me white lies. This is a game where Roda
Speaker 1: I am going to introduce to you a classic conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: widely held conspiracy theory in the white community. And what
Speaker 1: I would love for you to do is tell me
Speaker 1: why you think white people are so committed to this
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory? You cool? This is This is one that
Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot more lately. Although I don't
Speaker 1: know how how widely held it is. It it has
Speaker 1: a bit of nuance, but maybe that's just because of
Speaker 1: where we live. But apparently there are quite a few
Speaker 1: people who believe that Prints Charles is a vampire, that
Speaker 1: the son of the Queen of England, the soon to
Speaker 1: be King of England, when she dies, and she will,
Speaker 1: God willing, she will die. Uh. If my prayers work,
Speaker 1: that lady will die. Okay, So, but Prince Charles apparently
Speaker 1: is a vampire. I don't know if have you heard
Speaker 1: this before. I have never heard this conspiracy theory, and
Speaker 1: yet I'm intrigued. I really am. Well, let me tell
Speaker 1: you a little more, and then I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: why you think people argue this. But apparently, in unpacking
Speaker 1: his genealogy, it turns out that Prince Charles is a
Speaker 1: descendant of lad the Impaler, who is the person that
Speaker 1: bram Stoke most Dracula is based on that Like historically,
Speaker 1: they're making connections, basically saying that he's a descendant of
Speaker 1: this infamous figure in history, and that because of that descendants,
Speaker 1: and because of his weird looks and also odd behavior,
Speaker 1: that he might in fact it also be descendant of Dracula.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts please, wow, I I'm so intrigued. The first
Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about are his ears. They are very
Speaker 1: they are very bad, like do look like they could,
Speaker 1: you know, propel him into flight. So there's that there's
Speaker 1: the idea that he is a part of a very
Speaker 1: old and archaic institution that you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's garlic a steak, it has not died, you know,
Speaker 1: it is almost impermeable, it is. It feels immortal. You know,
Speaker 1: he is a part of this monarch that is just
Speaker 1: like you can't kill it. And who knows. He's very pale. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know that the man has ever had a
Speaker 1: bit of sun. I've never seen a picture of him
Speaker 1: with a tan. You know, he always looks the same,
Speaker 1: you know, like the same, rugged worn, pale, leather bag
Speaker 1: of a face. You know. I don't even think I
Speaker 1: can challenge this theory because if I found out that
Speaker 1: he was indeed a vampire, I mean, this lineage makes
Speaker 1: things very very interesting. I don't know that I could
Speaker 1: say I'm surprised. I mean, he did suck the lifeblood
Speaker 1: out of Princess Diana, you know, being married to him
Speaker 1: cost her her life, and um, wow, this is so interesting,
Speaker 1: Like I've never heard this before this moment, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna now look into it. So thank you please,
Speaker 1: all the research you need to do to figure out
Speaker 1: if he is well, first, if vampires exists, and number two,
Speaker 1: if he is in fact a vampire, and then three
Speaker 1: why white people love it so much? Because to me,
Speaker 1: this and that's the part that I had some challenges
Speaker 1: with is to me, the Royal Kingdom of England and
Speaker 1: all those motherfucker's I'm sure that's not what they call it,
Speaker 1: but the Royal Kingdom of England and all those behind
Speaker 1: closed doors they but but to me, they always represented
Speaker 1: an odd pick for people that you wanted as your
Speaker 1: figure heads, you know what I mean? Like, if I
Speaker 1: wanted figureheads, I want them to be sexy and hard
Speaker 1: and and just look, look, I get to look at them,
Speaker 1: and I feel proud. And the fact that they've always
Speaker 1: picked these ghoulish monsters as the people, and granted, the
Speaker 1: bloodline apparently is what picked it, not them choosing them right,
Speaker 1: But either way, the fact that they've never overthrown that
Speaker 1: bloodline and made it like you know, fucking Idris and
Speaker 1: his sexy asked people means that these figure head just
Speaker 1: have to have a level of power and control that
Speaker 1: exceeds the people's fight. You know, forever, right, it's forever,
Speaker 1: which you know, in this moment of you know, white
Speaker 1: fragility and the Karen's, you know, and the anti maskers,
Speaker 1: which to me is the reason so many Karen's are
Speaker 1: going off is because I think COVID kind of leveled
Speaker 1: the field. Like we the mask represents this this threat
Speaker 1: to all mankind, you know, like you being white and rich,
Speaker 1: it's not going to save you from this virus. So
Speaker 1: we're in the same boat, honey. So yeah, putting on
Speaker 1: a mask when you've had access, you've had power, you've
Speaker 1: been on top all your life. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like just fucked with a lot of white
Speaker 1: people's brains. And so the idea of being immortal, I
Speaker 1: think it's sexy. You know, It's like, okay, I know
Speaker 1: they say by by when he's seventy, the human race
Speaker 1: is going to be more you know, the mediaan skin
Speaker 1: tone is gonna be a little bit more brown than
Speaker 1: we were anticipating, this idea that a white male monarch
Speaker 1: could live forever. And then you and then you couple
Speaker 1: Brexit with that, like this excommunication and this you know,
Speaker 1: this this throwing away of immigrants, which to me is
Speaker 1: about browning up the country or browning down. I don't
Speaker 1: know which direction it ghost and but yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see how immortal all powerful white man is a sexy idea,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, and I see it.
Speaker 1: I think even more to that point, it also ensures
Speaker 1: that that you have a justification for why you remain
Speaker 1: impoverished or or less than in these communities. As long
Speaker 1: as this motherfucker's immortal, then I can't beat him. He's
Speaker 1: a fucking vampire. That's just a regular dude who could
Speaker 1: get shot like anybody else with a regular bullet. Then
Speaker 1: I'm tripping to let this motherfucker be that much better
Speaker 1: than me without doing something about it. Okay, And I
Speaker 1: just want to just add on to what you just said.
Speaker 1: Please don't get no ideas people. You know what I'm saying, Lengthson,
Speaker 1: when Lanson was talking about is Charles being a vampire,
Speaker 1: and then put that in context so that FBI is
Speaker 1: not calling us into I want to be clear. Shoot
Speaker 1: the Prince of what what is it, the Duke of Wales?
Speaker 1: Shoot him, stop letting this one. I'm so com Please
Speaker 1: don't shoot him. I do not want to be responsible
Speaker 1: for whatever fall Oh my God said some silly ship
Speaker 1: on a podcast that truly none of you should be
Speaker 1: listening to in the first place. You should have better
Speaker 1: things to do with. Oh my god, I think we
Speaker 1: did it. I think we did the thing. This was
Speaker 1: so much fun. Could you tell the people at home
Speaker 1: this was amazing? Where they can find you? And what
Speaker 1: cool ship you have going on? You know? The movie
Speaker 1: is still on Netflix. The four year version is still
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I am cooking and baking and working on things.
Speaker 1: I tend not to talk a lot about it, but
Speaker 1: like when it when it does come to fruition, I'll
Speaker 1: be sharing it with you know, your audience. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it was a thrill to be on this
Speaker 1: show because I've had a couple of the couple of
Speaker 1: people that I'm like, you know what, I think this
Speaker 1: would make my mother proud if I was on Jesus
Speaker 1: and Marrow, and if I was on my mama told
Speaker 1: me because I was the child of a black conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: and so Mama, we made it today, we made it.
Speaker 1: Oh what a beautiful sentiment. That's so nice. Well please
Speaker 1: go watch go watch four year old version. It's so great.
Speaker 1: Please follow Ratto online and as always, you can follow
Speaker 1: me at lengths thing Kerman and if you want to
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Speaker 1: bitch bye because my crop chips in your rails A quality.
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