1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: When your online at white castles and you only got 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: money for one of them dirty asked burghers. Maybe, according 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: to Terence is math, you get too because one times 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: one eagles too, so you'll have whist the amount of 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: bubble guts if you just if you can only ave 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: four points racist money stuff, you can't tell me bang 7 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: bang bang skeet skeet skeet. There it is, yep, there 8 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, 10 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we 11 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: finally work to prove that Russell Wilson is the greatest 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: known survivor of jungle fever in human history. The man 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: was dating the ugliest of whites. He was deep in 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: the trenches of white devildom, and then found his way 15 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: out to now stand aside Sierra during Torque videos. He's 16 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: free of his jungle fever. I don't know how he 17 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: did it, but no man has survived it greater than 18 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. These are facts, ladies and gentlemen. Fuck a theory, 19 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: these are actual facts. I am your host, like sneak Kerman. 20 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. It's a goddamn beautiful day outside, 21 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: even though I'm trapped in my room. I'm trapped in 22 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: my room, being held captive by my wife and her 23 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: her mother, who have now taken over the rest of 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: my home. But that doesn't matter, because you know who's 25 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: who's the most free, who isn't trapped? It's my guest today. 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: She lives. She lives free, God damn it, she lives. 27 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: She lives the way she wants to live. Is what 28 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: I've heard on the streets and everywhere that everybody is 29 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: talking about her because she's amazing. She's a filmmaker, director, writer, producer, 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: she does all the ship. You know her donut maker. 31 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Donut maker, she said, she makes donuts. And you know what, 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: she made a point to tell me, to tell you 33 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: she doesn't have COVID, And that's a big deal, right now, 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Like you've already heard her voice, 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: you know her best from from her beautiful film which 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I love so much, forty year old version. Give it 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: up for my guest, Miss Roda Blake. Thank you, Oh 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: my god. I feel so honored to be in that 39 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: intro and then to be connected with the term skeet skeet. 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's what a warm, a literally warm welcome. 41 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I like to roll out that 42 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: skeet skeet carpet whenever I can for whoever is doing quotable. Yeah, 43 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I'm such a fair and of 44 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: this show. And I know two people right now A 45 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Lisa blountmore Ahead and Emir Lewis are gagging because they 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: are huge fans, so I just had to shout them out. 47 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: But thanks for having me on. Yeah, I I'm so 48 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: excited you're on. We've already we've talked a few times 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: on on the chats and instagram ship and I I 50 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: love your work. I've been working with Eric Bronco, who 51 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I know you know very well and help help make 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: your beautiful film. So you know, big fan, and I'm 53 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: happy you're here. We're gonna we're gonna have a silly 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: ass time because you came with a conspiracy theory that 55 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: that I don't even know really how to qualify it. 56 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Truly is an exciting conversation we're about to jump into, 57 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: so I want to introduce it carefully. But you said 58 00:03:51,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: my mama told me about Terence Howard and his new Math. Yes, 59 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just the new math Linkston. 60 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: It's called the universal math. And if you look very 61 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: closely at the acronym, it's Tom tom me right, as 62 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: in belly and Shaton, you know, as the some of 63 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: the Black Muslims will call him, might try to skew 64 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: that towards belly of the beast. But they say that 65 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: your stomach is your second brain. So do you see 66 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: in connection the universal tom tom as in tell me 67 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: and second brain. I'm just saying that the signs of 68 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: this new way of thinking have been there, even if 69 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: we don't understand them, they're there. And thank you, thank 70 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you to Terrence, you know, for introducing my brain this concept. 71 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: So okay, because you're coming in hot right now. Out 72 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: you coming in, you've already did that that that hotep 73 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: finger thing where squeeze your fingers together to orchestrate around you. 74 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: You're you're already doing I'm wearing I'm wearing a head wrap. 75 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: It just kind of goes with the territory. And as 76 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: someone who's been extra extra excommunicated, I couldn't even say it. 77 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: You see how the brain scramble, how they you know 78 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, they got in there. My brain transmitters 79 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: as someone who's been excommunicated from several of these uh 80 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: pontificating communities, from the hoteps for black israel lites, you know, 81 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm very familiar with mathematics, and it was Terrence. 82 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: It was Terrence, so that I think that I feel 83 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: gave me permission as a person in the Red Bone 84 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: Brigade to go deeper, you know what I mean? Like 85 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: sometimes the sometimes when you're red bone, you light skin, 86 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: A head wrap in a wide nose is not enough, 87 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: especially that the light eyes. You know what I'm saying 88 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: with this mathematics and these gestures, I am kind of 89 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: being kind of welcomed into a skin tone a little 90 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: darker than mine. If you understand, you're tapping into something 91 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: very important here because for years, and I think that 92 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: this is true about a lot of lighter skinned people, 93 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: is that is that we are often accused of trying 94 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: to overcompensate for for our connection to the black community, 95 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: that that we overdo the work right, that we're trying 96 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: too hard. And you're saying that for years, you found 97 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: yourself in communities where you attempted to be a part 98 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: of something, and they pushed you out of it because 99 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 1: you might have been a try hard in their minds. 100 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: But exactly inspired by Terrence Howard, you're saying, you're coming 101 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: with new information, a new energy even to to approach 102 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: these communities and say, jokes on you, motherfucker's I'm back. 103 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember Do you remember a TV movie called 104 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: Queeney that starred halle Berry where she was playing the 105 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: matriarch of Alex Haley right, and she burst into the 106 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: church with her her pale, pale white skin. They actually 107 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: lightened halle Berry for this role. If you can imagine 108 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Hallie being lighter. They lightened her to play Queeny and 109 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: she bursts through the black church and she goes as Niggers. 110 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: As Nigress terences math. It's my version of Ias Nickers. 111 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: It gives the Red Bone Brigade a chance to own 112 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: our beige rage, as I call it beige rage. We 113 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: get to own it thanks to his mathematics. And it's 114 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: not something exactly I get to say as Niggers without 115 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: actually saying that. And you know, and it's not to 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: say I completely understand the mathematics. I think that's the 117 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: point of it is. You're not supposed to be able 118 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: to clearly explain it to someone. You're supposed to drop 119 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: put a little droplet in their mouths Um, that doesn't 120 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: sound right, but put a droplet in their mouth and 121 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: create that curiosity so that they then go and become 122 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: more confused. And you know, your level of confusion speaks 123 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: to the level of passion. How badly do you want 124 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: to unconfused your brain? See hold on, no, wait a minute, 125 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: think now you you hit a spot right there. I'm 126 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: not even gonna hold you that that right there where 127 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: you confuse somebody and then you check how much they 128 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: they're committed to un confusing. That's it to the un confusing. 129 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 1: That's a conference right there, Linkston, when you're ready to 130 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: take this light scared, redbone, rage bage rage on the road. 131 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, commit to un confusing your mind. 132 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: I love it. I don't know what that acronym would be, 133 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: but we figure it out. I will say that, even 134 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: as you're talking and we have not clarified what terence 135 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: sowards universal order it is, we will clarify all of that. 136 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: Dear listener who is at home struggling right now with 137 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: all of this conversation, but but fuck you, we're having fun. 138 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: The point, even as you're talking, there's a part of 139 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: me that feels like that is where philosophy started, right 140 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: that even if we we want to take some of 141 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: the these sort of like obviously tongue in cheek elements 142 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: of some of this away, that there's this isn't that 143 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: different than what Plato was doing with his boys back 144 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: in in ancient Grecian times where he's like, I don't know, 145 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: maybe God could be a fucking wheel. And we were 146 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: all pressed together and then we got separated and and 147 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: granted that wasn't Plato, that's that it was one of 148 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: his stupid ass friends. But the point is the philosophy 149 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: is confusion with the goal of unconfusing. You're describing why 150 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: why isn't un confusing as a term use more often? 151 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about Socrates and Plato that maybe during 152 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: one of those Greek orgies, you know, like somebody bust 153 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: off and they said, Okay, this was good, this was 154 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: but I'm still unfulfilled because I have questions. And that's 155 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that questions are a good thing. 156 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Questions are a great way of leading a conversation, disarming somebody, 157 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: but also kind of like saying, I don't know it all. 158 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: And when it comes to this universal math, not only 159 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: don't I know it all, I don't know what the 160 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: funk it is. I just know it's interesting. And any 161 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to here Terrence break anything down from the flavor 162 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: of of a potato chip, a scene, or what universal 163 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: the universal math is, is an opportunity to look at 164 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: someone who maybe that's ship crazy but maybe actually genius. 165 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: You don't know, right, and that that Okay, let's take 166 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: a step back here, because I think you're really you're 167 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: hitting some sweet spots and in my precious little heart. 168 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: But what I'll say is is that Terrence Howard, I 169 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: did my best to sort of trace the build of 170 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: this narrative. I want to catch my listeners up a 171 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: little bit. And it seems like around like two thousand 172 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: and thirteen or so, became committed to the idea that 173 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: the math that we understand to be true, the things 174 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: that that we have held true for years and years 175 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: and years in terms of mathematic equations, is mostly false. 176 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: And the core of that argument seems to be this 177 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: simple equation a I would argue a first or second 178 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: grade equation one times one equals one. That's the one 179 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: that he's super hung up on. Tell me more about 180 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: about where that goes wrong. I think what Terrence is 181 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: positing is almost related to quantum physics. It's like what 182 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: you see, it's not what you see, and that there's 183 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: more there because according to the universal math, one times 184 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: one is not one. One times one is two. Now 185 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: what I appreciate about that, even though I don't quite 186 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: understand it is it means I get more biscuits. You know, 187 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: I can ask or biscuits when I go to Popeye's 188 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: and be like, one times one, I'm paying for one biscuit. 189 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: I'm getting too. I can do a little bit of 190 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: work on my one ab but really it's not one. 191 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: It is too. So according to Terrence, more is more. 192 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: You know that to say one times one equals one 193 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: is to slight this idea of an increased quantity of 194 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: a thing. Now that's about all I completely understand, because 195 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: I feel like when I met him, I'll just give 196 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: you a little personal history. I used to write on 197 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: a show that rhymes with scampire, right, and when I 198 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: met this individual, he came in to talk to the 199 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: writing room about, you know, different things in his character. 200 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: This was season two. I only worked on the season 201 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: two of the show. And when we when he sat down, 202 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: he immediately locked eyes with me. I think it had yes, 203 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: immediately lost right. He locked what I would say, light 204 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: eyes with me because I have light brown eyes. And 205 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: I think he saw the head wrap and the wide 206 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: nose and the light skin and he said, that's Faan 207 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: right there. And he started to talk. And I believe 208 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: he shared a bit of the mathematics. I'm not sure 209 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: because all I remember was him saying stonehenge and quasars. 210 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: That's like what I walked away from, walked away from 211 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: the conversation with. And so I think in that moment 212 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I got brain fucked. You know, I think he did 213 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: something to my brain. And yet and yet he created 214 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: he planted a seed of curiosity, like how I want 215 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: to understand this man because he as a light skinned 216 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: black actor. It's just what a very interesting career this 217 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: man has had. He has drummed his guitar as a 218 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: folk singer. He has written hip hop anthems for that 219 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: show that runs with Skimpire. You know, he has married 220 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: all kinds of women in the spectrum, not black women again, 221 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: very interesting. No, he hasn't touched on that, but I 222 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: feel like his mathematics is his way of entree back 223 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: to us. Him saying like, I think very different, deeply, 224 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: I pontificate very much like a hotel, you know. But 225 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: he's kind of like, I don't know. I just think 226 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: he's a fascinating being, you know what I'm saying. And 227 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: I say, like, does one times one equals to make sense? No, 228 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: but need to do clouds. We don't understand how kangaroos 229 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: have those pouches, you know what I mean? And Captain 230 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: Candy it melts in amount, you know. So these are 231 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: things that like we can't be afraid to contemplate. Let 232 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: me let me jump in here, because I think you're 233 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: tapping into something really important, really vital in the Terrence 234 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: Howard universe that that he is building is this act 235 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: of questioning right that I think at its core, what 236 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Terrence Howard is doing is questioning the universe that was 237 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: laid before us and saying why why does it have 238 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: to be this way? And while I even you know, 239 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: admittedly do not at all aligned with new math or 240 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: universal math, it's not. That's not something where I find 241 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: myself buying in per se. I do funk with somebody 242 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: saying there's a bunch of things historically and personally that 243 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: I have been told to be objectively true and then 244 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: later found out it wasn't as objective as they wanted 245 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: me to believe. There were some some sort of like 246 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: gray areas within that that objective conversation. And I think 247 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: Terence is sort of doing that. I think that he represents, 248 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, this idea of pushing against something which black people. 249 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's black culture, right is counterculture is kind 250 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: of creating something out of I mean, the fact that 251 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: we survived this middle passage and have created you know, 252 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: culture in this country is is almost miraculous. I don't 253 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: think anyone could have Dick did it. When I was 254 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: in college, again one of my many attempts to align 255 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: with my blackness, because I was often doubted in spite 256 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: of having a chocolate mother and a wide nose, I 257 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: joined this group called the Sons and Daughters of Africa 258 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: at City College, and um, you know, at that time 259 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: in my twenties, I called myself African, you know, and 260 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: so you were like I'm not Black. I am African. 261 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: That's right, a Kiblan. I guess that's what we used 262 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: to call Africa before it was called Africa by the Europeans. 263 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: I was a part of the Sons and Daughters of Africa, 264 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: and I would call myself African. And I even found 265 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: like the most chocolate brother today who was from Africa, 266 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: and he was Nigerian, and I would call myself African 267 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: and he one day he just was like c st, 268 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: I just I want to say to you that I'm sorry, 269 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: but you are not African. You are not Africa. And 270 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I know you call yourself that's not who you are. 271 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: And for so long I was offended, But now I 272 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, I'm gonna claim American because 273 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, out of this very dark past and legacy 274 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: of chattel slavery comes us who have created the culture 275 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: in this country for the last two hundred years. And 276 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: but we did it as an act of defiance. We 277 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: were not expected to survive and then thrive and then create. 278 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: And so yeah, okay, I know most times we look 279 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: at Terrence and we go with the you know, like 280 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: what is this man is playing his guitar upside down, 281 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: signs down? You know, did he get a bad batchel Coke? 282 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: What is the problem? But I do anyone who pushes 283 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: against you know, and who has like is rebellious and 284 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: nature to me is actually that's extra black to me, 285 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean to say? Oh yeah, you've 286 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: got your which most of the theories, most of the 287 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: practices that we've adopted have come through uh Eurocentric paradigm. 288 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: You know. Oh God, I'm sorry, hold on that. Who 289 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: are the whole tep in me? Was just your centric 290 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, climb out. I almost made 291 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: you among being Kate and started burning some sage. But 292 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: it's true that so much of what we do we've 293 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: been conditioned to believe is the truth is the end 294 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: all is the alpha omega. Even alpha omega comes from 295 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Eurocentric concepts of like what the apex of something is 296 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: or what the truth of something is. So yeah, Terence 297 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: is nuts, absolutely, But a lot of brilliance comes out 298 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: of you know, those people who are way off to 299 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: the left, you know, who've been left, who've been kind 300 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: of isolated, maybe a week longer than they should have 301 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: in their childhood, and they come up with all of 302 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, so I'm not mad at him 303 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: for triumph. Well, here's here's where I get fascinated, because 304 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: I I think I I agree that it is counter 305 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: culture that ultimately creates Culture, creates new culture, creates our 306 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: ability to exist in you know, America. As you're sort 307 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: of much more eloquently explaining my question, and the thing 308 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: that I've always struggled with is at what point does 309 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: counter culture become counterproductive? Do you know what I mean that? 310 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: Like you have figures like a Terrence Howard, like a 311 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, you know, like uh, Kanye, all of these 312 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: people who are very clearly being counter for the sake 313 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: of being counter at times, and sometimes because I genuinely 314 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: believe it, And sometimes it's just like I need someone 315 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: to look at me, and it makes me sit and wonder, 316 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: at what point does that actually start to work towards 317 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: our detriment and not towards challenging us for the better. 318 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: I think if I can attempt to respond to that is, 319 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, one we have to always remember that human 320 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: beings are evolving, you know, and that we should not 321 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: if something sounds like truth, let's apply it to what 322 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: we needed to be in the moment and then kind 323 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: of release it. Don't make it law, because what history 324 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: has told us over and over again, it's the minute 325 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: we put somebody up, they're gonna fall. Then we're gonna 326 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: see their flaws. We're gonna see there, we're gonna see holes. 327 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: But I think we have to kind of I hate 328 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: to use the word piecemeals, but like just take what 329 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: we can in the moment and just add it to 330 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: the cannon, you know, as opposed to adding the person 331 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: to the cannon. Add the philosophy, extrapolate the things that 332 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: we can use. Just you know, discard the things that 333 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: we cannot. I'm not saying discard the person, but just 334 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: remember that, you know, it's a mouthpiece connected to a 335 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: flawed human being, you know. And so I mean, I 336 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: was raised when I was coming up, my father would 337 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: take me to hear Farrakhan speak, and I was a 338 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: young black feminist at the time, and it was just 339 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: like it was hard for me sometimes to to sit 340 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: in in in places of the Nation of Islam and 341 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: see where women and men were separated. And what my 342 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: father always said is just take what you can from 343 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: this moment, like there are if you just listen to 344 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: if you listen to the entire teaching, you can extrapulate 345 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: what it is that you need for yourself. And I've 346 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: learned a lot from Farrakhan because I did not completely 347 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: cut him off. And I think where we are now 348 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: is the minute we see those flaws, we throw the 349 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: whole person away. We even throw the teachings away. You know, 350 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: we call it cancel culture right now. But I understand 351 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: even where that comes from. It's like, I need to 352 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: feel empowered, and I need to feel you've had some 353 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: choice in terms of what kind of enters your psyche 354 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: and who you consider a leader. You know, Yeah, just 355 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: take what you can and keep it moving. I think 356 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: you're you're making a really important point here and and 357 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: fair County, I don't think there's probably a better example 358 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: of a person who has who couldn't. He's so complicated 359 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: right that, like, there there are elements of his teachings, 360 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: elements of the words that he says that I connect 361 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: with and believe in and think are super vital and 362 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: important for people to try to activate in their own lives. 363 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: And then he says a whole bunch of awful shit 364 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: about the Jews, and I'm like, ah, dog, you lost me, 365 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: big man. I really wanted to like you. And I 366 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: think to your point, that doesn't make the language that 367 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: he was sharing previous to his bad take on a 368 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: type of people any less valuable. It just means that 369 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: the person that sharing it is a complicated person, a 370 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: a person with flaws. We need to learn to accept 371 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: both of those things as true. I think when we, 372 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, in the in the culture now, we have 373 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: this thing of calling women of a certain age auntie, right, 374 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and I think the same applies to uncle. If if 375 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: you relate to these people as that relative in your 376 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: family who smokes newports and you know, wears a mesh tank, 377 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, and his nipples are protruding, and he smells 378 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: like you know, his armpits are very rare, but his 379 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: playlist always gets everybody jumping. You know. Is he looking 380 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: at your second cousin? Is his his eyes looking a 381 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: little too long at her developing? Yeah, but we're exactly, 382 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: but we haven't completely thrown him away. And so that's 383 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: what that's all I'm saying about the terences of the 384 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: world is like hear them out because any of coptunity 385 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: where you can challenge something you thought you knew is 386 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: a good thing, you know, and maybe one times one 387 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: is too. We don't, we don't know. From what I understand, 388 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: this man has spent seventeen hours a day researching this. Yeah, 389 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's that's the other part of it 390 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: that that's so fascinating. And we'll get into some of 391 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: this in the research. I don't want to I don't 392 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: want to jump the gun on some of this. But 393 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: it's not something he's like just saying to say he 394 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: isn't bullshitting. He's spent a lot of time. He has 395 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: dot he has documented a fair amount of the time 396 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: that he spent and even published articles attempting to support 397 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: the claims that he's making with his his universal man. 398 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: So this is it as uh casual? I guess is 399 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: Kyrie going on, you know, a press conference and being 400 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: like the earth is flat and I and give a 401 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: funk what the repercussions are here? He's dedicating his life, 402 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: put in the work. He's got the charts, and you know, 403 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: do I give you am I giving a warning before 404 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: you go and look at it? Am I telling it 405 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: might scramble your fucking brain. It might do that. But 406 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: the man put the man put a lot of work 407 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: in and maybe jumping into what might be psychosis, maybe 408 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: there's still something, you know, maybe there's something to take 409 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: away from it. It's all I'm saying. That's beautiful, and honestly, 410 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't think there is a more beautiful way to 411 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: go to a break of being like that crazy motherfucker 412 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: still has hope, and we should treat more crazy motherfucker's 413 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: like there's some hope left in them away. Yes, I 414 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: love that. All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll 415 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: be back with more round of the lake and more. 416 00:26:51,480 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: My mama told me, we back. This is one that 417 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: will like into the bank like ha ha ha ha 418 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yep, we're back 419 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: here were more rut of like more. My mama told me. 420 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: I always regret pressing that button as soon as I 421 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: do it, I said to myself, you just trapped yourself 422 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: in a one minute long drop of evil man laughing 423 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: about people dying from a disease. Anyway, we're still talking 424 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: about Terrence Howard in his Universal Math New Math or 425 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: and this is something we haven't brought up yet, at 426 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: least in terms of the title. You may know it 427 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: as terriology. You terriology before is terriology on your radars? 428 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: As a name that it goes by. You know, I 429 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: have to say something else about names. Is I think 430 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: I might have in the past dismissed, dismissed Terrence Howard, 431 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: and then I realized his name is Terrence Seawn Howard. 432 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's my version of the head rack, like okay, 433 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: red bull light skin, but with a name like to 434 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: Sean you got come on now, can't dismiss him. There's 435 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: there's something there that I just wanted to say that 436 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: that brother is undeniably black. Whether that's right, whether he 437 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: likes it or whether we like it, that's all up 438 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: her games. But that motherfucker is black as shit, Terence. 439 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: There's nothing blacker than creating recreating a law around mathematics. 440 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, should I bring up the five percenters? You 441 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, come on, so Terrets in 442 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: his beige days, that's a black man. It doesn't feel 443 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: any less confusing to me than like some of like 444 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: Woo Tank's early ship where it's just like them like 445 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: doing equations and ship that Like I'm not tracking this 446 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: at all, Playboy. I don't know the street price of cocaine. 447 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: So none of this makes sense to me. But look 448 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: how he was. You know, they say Wu Tang loves 449 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: the children. The children are forced to do math? Did 450 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: they re engaged? You know? Thirty six Chamber. I mean, 451 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: math is all present in the whole world. And so 452 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: that is the blackest thing I think a person can 453 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: do is like not only referred to mathematics, but reinvent them, 454 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, as a fuck you to the hundreds, the 455 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of years of mathematics that we've been following. 456 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Is to reinvent mathematics. That's black as hell. I like 457 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: that and that I think that's a good segue into 458 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: our research because it got me thinking if Terrence Howard 459 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: is in this space of creating new math, a universal 460 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: math that he believes to be true. It got me 461 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: asking the question where does math actually come from? Like 462 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: what is the origin of mathematics? And as we understand it? 463 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: And again i'm I'm there's a there's a heavy quotation 464 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: around we, right, And before I even go that's how 465 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: they get you, because the we that that is sort 466 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: of being presented to the world in terms of our 467 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: understanding of modern mathematics came from like this dude, Archimedes. Right, 468 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: they're saying, like Archimedes from old ask Grecian times is 469 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: considered like the founder, the the father of modern mathematics 470 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: because of all of the contributions he did to us 471 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: figuring out, as you know, every kind of equation, including 472 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: one plus one or one times one equals one. Right, 473 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: that said the the commitment, or rather it made me 474 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 1: ask the question, how much of our commitment to our 475 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: comedies is just us deciding that this person was going 476 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: to be the figurehead and not actually doing the real 477 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: research beyond that starting point. Because we know historically there 478 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: were civilizations well before our comedies ever existed that that 479 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: built thinks that that had structures and all sorts of 480 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: like cool stuff going on that had to have required 481 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: some version of mathematic equations that had to require them 482 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: to measure in and count and do all kinds of 483 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: things that required math that Archimedes had nothing to do with. Well, 484 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: first of all, great like yes, again, this goes back 485 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: to questioning something that has been kind of accepted as 486 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: law and universal truth. I'm thinking about this particular African 487 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: tribe and I feel terrible because the name is escaping me. 488 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: Right now. I want to say the dumb, oh, the 489 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Duan people who, when they were first discovered, you know, 490 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: would create etchings of our solar system. They didn't have telescopes, 491 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They didn't have telescopes, they 492 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: didn't have the apparatus to actually affirm these things. But 493 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: when modern science of the time compared, it was all correct, 494 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's been speculated that they had 495 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: some kind of connection to an alien life force. But 496 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: here is this isolated community of people who have been 497 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: practicing a certain belief system for hundreds of years outside 498 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: of the law. The things that we are saying is law, 499 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: and there was an accuracy, you know that it was succinct, 500 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, and it was how they lived their lives. 501 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: So it's like, what we don't see, we don't know, 502 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: you know. And if we don't know, we don't see it, 503 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: we can't challenge it, you know what I mean. So 504 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: it's like it just seems like once we decided that 505 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: these uh philosophers and uh the great minds of those days, 506 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: which all came out of Europe, Europe, Like, once we 507 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: decided that, okay, this is what we're gonna go with. 508 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: We just then everything seemed to be quantified or qualified 509 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: by people who worked like that, and it's not until now. 510 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: I remember I saw a movie and it was about 511 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: an alien life force that supposedly created the Egyptian Pyramids. 512 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: Is the name of this movie, you know, noting not 513 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: quite that one that's very scientific, but it wasn't cone Heads. 514 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: But in this film, because the ship was the shape 515 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: of a hollow pyramid, the theory being put forward is 516 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: that the pyramids were formed because the ship would land 517 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: every so hundred years. God is the name, It's on 518 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: the tip of my tongue. And and the way they 519 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: were able to get into this world was going through 520 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: some kind of portal. I'm forgetting that. My point is 521 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: that I think when we don't understand something, we create 522 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: some kind of theory, and that theory is still connected to, 523 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: you know, some kind of your eurocentric lens or understanding 524 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: of something, and we will take something on and we 525 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: will make it long and not challenge it and not 526 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: challenge it at all. And I think even more to 527 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: that point there it's a question of communication that like 528 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: these people who existed before Archimedes or the mathematicians who 529 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: who knew math before this, your Eurocentric lens gets involved, 530 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: had for various reasons, no reason or way of communicating 531 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: with the people who then set the standard of what 532 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: the world is Christianity for? Is it stargate is what 533 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: Olivia is saying in the chat state. So I think 534 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: with that, it's it's like the Bible, right. It reminds 535 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: me so much of the way that Christianity worked. So 536 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: so we know that for years the written word didn't exist, 537 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: that every story that we're hearing was just people talking 538 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: that like I had to tell the story to a person, 539 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: who then hold a story to a person, and that 540 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: was the transference of knowledge. And then at some point 541 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: some fucking weirdo decided that they were going to write 542 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: things down, and then that became documented as permanence. But 543 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that that permanence was the correct version 544 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: of the story. That doesn't mean that this math, as 545 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: we understand it is even the correct version of math. 546 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: It is just the math that got standardized for all 547 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: of us at this point in society to understand. And 548 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: so Terrence Howard, be he right or be he insane, 549 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: is at least going a bro, I've been recalculating, and 550 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it in his voice, Lank study 551 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: you know better, right see, And that's what that quiver, 552 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: the quiver in his voice might be the knowledge, you know, 553 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: Like that's why he's shaking so much, because he is 554 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: bubbling with this knowledge. No, seriously, you know, thank you 555 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: Olivia for bringing up the title Stargate, because when I 556 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: watched that movie and I saw what was Hollywood's version 557 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: of a revisionist idea, I thought gall goal of the 558 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: storytellers to try to diminish. And I'm not just talking 559 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: about the pyramids, like they equated all Egyptian things, from 560 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: the scab and the symbols to the hyry glyphith to 561 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: an alien race. That it couldn't have been the intelligence 562 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: of the the Egyptians. They still don't know how Egyptians 563 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: build the pyramids, and that they're hollow and side and 564 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: they don't implode. They don't, you know. But the goal 565 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: of those people too, to create a revision revisionists, even 566 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: though it's a narrative revisionist history around and listen. As 567 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: a storyteller, I know the way and power of creating 568 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: story in shaping influencing a narrative. And there's some kid 569 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: who saw that who thinks that Egyptian, Egyptian culture came 570 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: out of fucking aliens. But my point is that all 571 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: that Terrence is exhibiting is the same thing that the 572 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: Galileos and Socrates, that is gal like the unmitigated gal 573 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: to say that this thing I'm theorizing is truth or 574 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: could be truth. And so you gotta admire in a 575 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: society where so many of our leaders have been assassinated 576 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: by the time that were forty years old. You know, 577 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't even have to bring up the 578 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: prison industrial complex before a black man to spend seventeen 579 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: hours a day on a particular theory and then put 580 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: it out there, you gotta admire the gal or balls 581 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: I should say that Terence, you know, is exhibiting. I mean, listen, 582 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: let's not forget about the whole marvel part of it all. 583 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: Like this man, I'm glad because this man. Do you 584 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: think that's how you come up with seventeen hours in 585 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: your day is to have to have to have some 586 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: free time brought on by your shall we say difficult personality? 587 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: I think firing is another way, Yes, in his and 588 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: from history. For those of you that are unaware, Terrence 589 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: Howard has become infamous in Hollywood is one of the 590 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: more difficult people to have around when you are acting, performing, 591 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: just talking, just being in a space. It seems Terence 592 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: Howard tends to make things a lot, a lot more 593 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: difficult than they were previously and specifically one of his 594 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: most infamous firings, and firing is probably a weighted word 595 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: in this case. But he was the the original roadie 596 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: in Iron Man. And I didn't know this. I'm not 597 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: sure if you know this, but he actually was the 598 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: highest paid person on that film, the original Iron Man talent. 599 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: Howard got paid more than Robert Downey Jr. Himself For 600 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: the for acting in that film. I had no idea. 601 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 1: I just want to add a little something really quickly, 602 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: is that I have to say this from everyone who 603 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: worked with him on the set of that show that 604 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: runs with Skimpire, they said he was the most professional. 605 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: They said he was the most professional. I want to 606 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: add that in yes, that he was the most professional. 607 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: He showed up one time, he had all his lines memorized. 608 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: It's not to say that he would not pitch some 609 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: crazy shit but he, from what I understand, was very professional. 610 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: That is interesting. Did not know he was the highest 611 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: paid actor, but not only the highest paid, but he 612 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,959 Speaker 1: was one of the first people brought onto the film 613 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: that he was on it well before Robert was. He 614 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: made three point five to four point five million dollars 615 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: for his performance in Iron Man, and then he also 616 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: claims he had to take a one million dollar pay 617 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: cut from that because he advocated for Robert Downey Jr. 618 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: When the studio, when Marvel was still unsure about bringing 619 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 1: a former drug addict on as the star of their 620 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: their you know, blossoming series of films. So Terrence Howard, 621 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: in theory, is the reason we have Iron Man the 622 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: way that we do. So you mean to tell me, brother, 623 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: that that one Terrence Howard times that one Robert Downey Jr. 624 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: Equals to high paid. You see. What I'm saying is 625 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: that he's been working his math from the beginning. He's 626 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: been choreographing something. And again I'm going back to Gaul. 627 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: You are the highest paid nick on the set and 628 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: you got the nerve to tell Marvel, I'm we'll offer 629 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: the next movie. Well this that it's it's partly what happened, 630 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: what he claims happened, and what what is sort of 631 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 1: uh in the air in terms of actually what transpired 632 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: is that part of his contracts said that if there 633 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: was a second or third film, which he was signed 634 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: on for three films, as he claims, if there was 635 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 1: a second or third film, he would make somewhere between 636 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: five million and eight million dollars for those films. Now, 637 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: after the first film success, which nobody expected, right, that 638 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: Ironman film turned into something that they certainly did not 639 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: guess it would be, which is now you know, fifteen 640 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: films deep in terms of various spinoffs in in universe building. 641 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 1: Right that said, when the second film came around, Marvel 642 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: came back to him and basically offered him a one 643 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: million dollar check instead and said you are not essential 644 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: to the creation of this project and therefore will take 645 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: your worth in this project, which is why he asked 646 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: for more money, and then went on to call Robert 647 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: Downey Jr. He says, twenty one times in a day, 648 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: trying to get his friend quote unquote to advocate for 649 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 1: him the same way he advocated for him the first 650 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 1: time they went through it. Oh ship you see, yeah, 651 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, like and we were just about to dismiss 652 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: this guy and his universal mathematics, which probably came as 653 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: a result of like saying the numbers don't add up, 654 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: Like that's probably something he had in mind. And so 655 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: you know, they say adversity is our greatest teacher, Like wait, 656 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: not only okay, this is no information, thank you Linkston. 657 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: I did not know this stuff about this the lore 658 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: of this marvel legacy got replaced and then tried to 659 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: do the okay dough like we weren't gonna notice that 660 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: you don't replace the red bone with chocolate, you know, like, 661 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not mad, I'm not mad at he's the best. 662 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: He's amazing, and it works, that chemistry work. But you 663 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: know that when that happened, black people were like, Terence, 664 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: you dumb asked, you know what I mean, like, how 665 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: are you gonna go and f this the same thing 666 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: that they did to Dave Chappelle. It's like when it 667 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: comes to this money thing, which we've made into a 668 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: god um, like how dar you black man turn you know, 669 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: challenge the white man's dollar. And look, we I'm sure 670 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't know what you just shared 671 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: in terms of what he was contractually, what do you 672 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: agree to? And then now they did an okay dope 673 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: on him, like, I do not know that information, And 674 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: I think that is it's all complicated, right, because it 675 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: is coming from Terrence Howard himself. These are his claims, 676 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: so there is the possibility of it not being true. 677 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: But at its core, this is a person saying, yo, 678 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: I advocated for something, and then intentionally, this studio and 679 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: a larger corporation is building propaganda around the personality that, 680 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: whether whether right or wrong, I've had for a while 681 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: that like Terrence Howard by this point is already known 682 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: as a difficult person. And so the studio is looking 683 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: at this situation and saying, we can short change this 684 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: individual and if if he decides not to go along 685 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: with what we're offering, we'll tell everybody's crazy and it's 686 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: too hard to work with, and then we will replace 687 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: him with somebody who everybody knows is a sweetheart and 688 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: has never offended anyone. Yeah, and you know, it's so funny, 689 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: this idea of difficult as a person who you know, 690 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: had it, had their dealings with the industry. When I 691 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: first started writing in TV, I had become very close 692 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: friends with a lot of the people in the writing 693 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: the first show that I worked on, which was a 694 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: get down first Hollywood, you know, TV writing room and 695 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: in the room, and I wasn't really even paying attention 696 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: to gender because, to be honest with you, I thought 697 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,919 Speaker 1: there'd be more challenges around race than my gender. I wasn't. 698 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention to who most of the people 699 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: in the room described as difficult until I looked up 700 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: one day and I was like, all the people that 701 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: they're talking about a women, right, all the people they're 702 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: talking about of color, And so this narrative around difficult, 703 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder like if the same behavior came from 704 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: you know, Terence, this white counterpart. And listen, I'm not 705 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: saying that Terence ain't difficult, and I'm not saying that 706 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: this motherfucker ain't crazy, Okay, But I'm just saying it's 707 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: very easy for us to fold in to that narrative 708 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: of the difficult person, which in Hollywood often is female. 709 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: You know, Like, it's just a very easy narrative to 710 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: create around someone who doesn't fall into line, doesn't fall 711 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: in line the way we like them to. You know 712 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So and so I think you're making 713 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,760 Speaker 1: a really important point because to the question of difficult 714 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: and this is going to be around a way sort 715 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: of getting back to what you're saying, but I think 716 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: it's important. Terrence Howard first introduces his conversation of new 717 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: math of of teriology in a Rolling Stone interview he 718 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: did in right and the rolling Stone interview is meant 719 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: to be actually amid a bit of a like a 720 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: celebration of this figure who went from being a massive 721 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: movie star, Hustle and flow, crash, iron Man, all these 722 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: things that were huge, the best Man, you get it, 723 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: all these things, yeah, that then are taken away from 724 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: him because of what he is, you know, being labeled 725 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: as as this difficult person and then somehow finding his 726 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: way back to success with a surprise hit of Empire. 727 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: This article comes out. It's meant to make him look 728 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: cool and and interesting and sort of like but also 729 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: honest and and raw and all the things, but it 730 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: ends up being and I've read the article, it ends 731 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 1: up feeling a lot like I guess the best way 732 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: to say is like an expose on a super villain 733 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: after like they've they've lost to the Justice League. Do 734 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean him standing in a in 735 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: a high rise apartment, staring at himself in a mirror, 736 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: and silk pajamas wended by yes and silk robe and boxers, 737 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: and he's surrounded by all these objects he's built, these 738 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: terriology objects that he he has that are plastic all 739 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: around the house that he and his then wife have 740 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: like constructed, and and it's it's him, I guess, pontificating 741 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,240 Speaker 1: about the complexity of the world and the world he's created. 742 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: But it's very haunting the interview. I think, I'm I'm 743 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,959 Speaker 1: in agreeing with you. I'm so simultaneously adding silk robe 744 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: and Boxers to my dream band list. I have a 745 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: list of dream bands, and that would be I'd love 746 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: to see silk robing Boxers open Cotchella one year. But yeah, no, 747 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: I I agree. I read that same article and they 748 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 1: completely it was farcical. It was like, let's sit back 749 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,879 Speaker 1: and laugh at this nutbag, you know who lost it all. 750 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: He had the chance of a lifetime, and um I did. 751 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: I did feel a little empathetic at the end because 752 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he didn't sign up for that. 753 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: He probably was so happy that someone would listen to 754 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: his theory around the new universal mathematteriology that he just 755 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he does that when you give 756 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 1: him a platform. This is someone who probably feels like 757 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 1: you've dismissed me as a light skin light eye having, 758 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, cute guy who's on a black soap opera 759 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: and you don't think I have any And I and 760 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: I feel for actors in that way, and that we 761 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: often dismissed their level of intelligence and think that they 762 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: aren't more than the roles that they play. And so yeah, 763 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 1: you give him a platform to talk about something and okay, yeah, 764 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,800 Speaker 1: he may have said a little too much that, you know, 765 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: more than you could digest in a sit down, you know, 766 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: and I won't sit down, but you could feel where 767 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: the journals just like, you know what, I'm gonna pivot 768 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: and I'm going to let the people know that I 769 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: sat with this nutbag for an hour and let him 770 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: just hang himself, so to speak, you know what I mean. 771 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: And too, there were moments in that where I do 772 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: think that he was relatively articulate about some of the 773 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: things that that have been labeled challenging or difficult in 774 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: his personality. Like there is that moment where they asked 775 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: him about The Best Man and like sort of like 776 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: his the the infamy he built on that set, even 777 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: the fact that that was this first sort of like 778 00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: breakout role, and with that they they labeled him difficult 779 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: after the shooting of The Best Man, And he said, look, 780 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they wanted to make 781 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: me to make choices as an actor that didn't feel 782 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: correct to the role that I had been given. That 783 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: like I they wanted me to do these lines funny 784 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: and like like read them like a slapstick sort of 785 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,959 Speaker 1: like sidekick character. And he was like, Nigga, I played 786 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: guitar upside down. I wanted to read it like a 787 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: man who plays guitar upside down. And it ended up 788 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: landing better than it would have landed if he did 789 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: it the silly billy way. But for for that communication, 790 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: for that set, for all the people involved, the relationship 791 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 1: was challenged right, if not burned completely right. And I 792 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: think that it speaks to the expectations of actors. I think, 793 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to black actors and black artisans 794 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: where and I won't say we because I'm not an actor, 795 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,759 Speaker 1: but like the idea is, like you should be so 796 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: grateful that you got this role. Don't come in here 797 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: and challenging, mixing things up. And this is something else 798 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: I want to add to this really quickly. It's like 799 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: we may have seen Terence for the first time and 800 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: the best Man, but who knows how long he's been 801 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: out there pavement, you know, beating the pavement. And it 802 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 1: was this musician Kamassi Washington who talked about this thing 803 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: of just because people have discovered you in this particular moment, 804 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you aren't a vet and that 805 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: you haven't been at this thing for a very long time. 806 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: So we may see Terrence Howard in the Bestment as 807 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: this new young actor, but if he actually has been 808 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: at this thing for ten years or so, like, does 809 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,800 Speaker 1: he not have a right to try to challenge you know, 810 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,320 Speaker 1: what he thought the role was gonna be. You know, 811 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: I just think there's this culture of just shut up 812 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: and dribble, Just shut up and take the check, Just 813 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: shut up and take the shine, don't challenge and as 814 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,239 Speaker 1: black artisans, as black women, as but queer people, as 815 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,319 Speaker 1: people on the margins. The message here is shut up, 816 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: be glad, you gotta pay check. Dave Chappelle be glad 817 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 1: you gotta pay check, Terrence, don't challenge you know, yeah, 818 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,400 Speaker 1: And I will say that even with that, it also 819 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: ignores to your point about your existence before this. It 820 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 1: ignores some of the logic and reasoning of the human 821 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: underneath all of this. That while in reading this article 822 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,800 Speaker 1: you also read about his father and the fact that 823 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: his father was arrested and taking to jail for a 824 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,240 Speaker 1: long time when Terrence was two years old for stabbing 825 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: someone while they were standing in line to meet Santa 826 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: at the mall. That basically a family was standing in line. 827 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: His father, I guess, stepped in front of that family. 828 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: They got into an argument about who was there first, 829 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: or whether or not his father and their families should 830 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: have been allowed to go first. His father gets angry, 831 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: pulls out a fucking nail file, stabs a man. Man dies, 832 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 1: and then blood splatters everywhere, including on young Terrence Howard, 833 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: who was two years old at the time, and then 834 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: is full first I guess to grow up fatherless for 835 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,360 Speaker 1: a big portion of his life. And with that, this 836 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,879 Speaker 1: new math, whether right or wrong, has to come from 837 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: a place of at least attempting to make sense of 838 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: a world that isn't offering him answers in any reasoned way. 839 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, No, I absolutely see that as like this, 840 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: someone is just trying to understand things, try to better 841 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: understand their world. And yes, I mean that is to 842 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: me the point of existing. You know. It's like, I mean, 843 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: it even kind of connects to this kind of the 844 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: vaccine debate. It's like, I'm not mad at people that challenge, 845 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, and want better understanding because that group think, 846 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, that group think mentality is like, you know, 847 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: it's what turns us into sheep. So yeah, Terrence sounds 848 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 1: like there's baggage. That's I was like, there might be 849 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: some mental health challenges. Who doesn't have mental health challenges? 850 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,399 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean, 851 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: everyone has their basket, you know what I mean? Yeah, 852 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: And I will say that that I think, and this 853 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: goes back to my original sort of question is how 854 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: do we reach a point where we are able to 855 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: challenge things without being a detriment to the people around us. 856 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,879 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the careful game that we're 857 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: all learning to do in managing our own mental illnesses 858 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: or challenges, personal or or public, whatever it is. It's like, yeah, 859 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 1: I should question the vaccine for myself personally, I should 860 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: ask is this essential? Am I doing the right thing? Uh? 861 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 1: Is there any possibility that the government does not have 862 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: my my best interests at heart? All of those things 863 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,800 Speaker 1: are normal, healthy questions to be asking. But then to 864 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,959 Speaker 1: take those questions to the strue eats without ever having 865 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 1: attempted to find answers to those questions first is the 866 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: danger is where it starts to become unhealthy behavior and 867 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: dangerous behavior. Now where I think this is a a 868 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,320 Speaker 1: cool flip is Terrence Howard's New Math ain't hurting nobody. 869 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: That ship ain't. It's not anti vaccine, It's it's literally 870 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: a nigga being like, hey, one times one equals to somebody. 871 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 1: Somebody talked to me about this ship, and it isn't 872 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: the most brilliant thing I've ever seen, but it truly 873 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: is not violent in any way, shape or form. I 874 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: just say, like, question everything, but also leave the window 875 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: slightly cracked, you know, to there being something to something 876 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 1: within that everything that might be helpful to you, you know, 877 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the flip side of this is 878 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: a cautionary tale. When you have too much time your 879 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: hands what can happen. But yeah, I'm not I'm not 880 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: mad at Terrence and I you know, he's so talented, 881 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: Like we can't dismiss that, you know, Like he's the 882 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,280 Speaker 1: reason I watched The Best Man over and over again. 883 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: I think his performances so understated. And I think he's 884 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: one of those people who, you know, we we could 885 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: go on and on about our version of the oscars 886 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: and and and what things get, you know, our scene 887 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: of merit when you revisit these institutions and what they award. Like, 888 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: he's one of those actors that, like, I've seen him 889 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: in different things, and I'm like, this man is talented. 890 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's talented. And I don't know, maybe if 891 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: he got more support or you know, maybe if he 892 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: had a chance to address, you know, the trauma in 893 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: his life, he wouldn't have seventeen hours devoted towards this 894 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 1: new man. I think that he's a man who needs 895 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: to unpack, and maybe we have a little more responsibility 896 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 1: in helping him on back instead of laughing at his 897 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,479 Speaker 1: interesting equations. I think it would be I it would 898 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: be a mistake for us to go on break without 899 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,160 Speaker 1: me reading you this quote. This is a fun quote. 900 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,640 Speaker 1: I found fun is in quotations. But I a quote 901 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 1: from Terrence Howard where he says, and this is in 902 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: relation to his new Math, where he says, since I 903 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: was a child of three or four, I was always wondering, 904 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, why does a bubble take the shape of 905 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 1: a ball? Why not a triangle or a square? I 906 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: figured it out. If Pythagoras was here to see it, 907 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 1: he would lose his mind. Einstein to Tesla, this is 908 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: the last century that our children will ever have been 909 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 1: taught that one times one is one. They won't have 910 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: to grow up in ignorance. Twenty years from now, they'll 911 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: know that one times one equals too. We're about to 912 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: show a new truth, the true universal math. And the 913 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: proof is in the pieces I have created, the pieces 914 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: that make up the motion of the universe. We work 915 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: on them about seventy now, wurds today she cuts and 916 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: puts on the crystal, she being his wife. I do 917 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: the main work of soldering them together. They tell the 918 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: truth from within. M h. It's beautiful. Poet, poetry, poetry, poetry. 919 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back 920 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: with more. Out of like more, My mama told me, 921 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:45,880 Speaker 1: and we are back. Oh yes, Kenny, Lenda nigga a pencil. Yeah, 922 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: we're back here. We're more aroud of like more. My 923 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about Newman and Terrence 924 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: Howard and the question of of asking more questions, of 925 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: challenging the unit verse in front of you. And with that, 926 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I can't think of a better intro into playing a game. 927 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Would you like to play a game? It's a game 928 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 1: that we play on this show all the time. It's 929 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: one of my my personal favorites. It's a game that 930 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I call white lies ugly. You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. 931 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Give me white lies. This is a game where Roda 932 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: I am going to introduce to you a classic conspiracy theory, 933 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: widely held conspiracy theory in the white community. And what 934 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 1: I would love for you to do is tell me 935 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,200 Speaker 1: why you think white people are so committed to this 936 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory? You cool? This is This is one that 937 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,560 Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot more lately. Although I don't 938 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: know how how widely held it is. It it has 939 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 1: a bit of nuance, but maybe that's just because of 940 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: where we live. But apparently there are quite a few 941 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: people who believe that Prints Charles is a vampire, that 942 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the son of the Queen of England, the soon to 943 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 1: be King of England, when she dies, and she will, 944 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 1: God willing, she will die. Uh. If my prayers work, 945 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: that lady will die. Okay, So, but Prince Charles apparently 946 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,160 Speaker 1: is a vampire. I don't know if have you heard 947 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: this before. I have never heard this conspiracy theory, and 948 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,960 Speaker 1: yet I'm intrigued. I really am. Well, let me tell 949 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 1: you a little more, and then I'd love to hear 950 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: why you think people argue this. But apparently, in unpacking 951 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: his genealogy, it turns out that Prince Charles is a 952 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 1: descendant of lad the Impaler, who is the person that 953 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 1: bram Stoke most Dracula is based on that Like historically, 954 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,400 Speaker 1: they're making connections, basically saying that he's a descendant of 955 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 1: this infamous figure in history, and that because of that descendants, 956 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: and because of his weird looks and also odd behavior, 957 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: that he might in fact it also be descendant of Dracula. 958 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Your thoughts please, wow, I I'm so intrigued. The first 959 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about are his ears. They are very 960 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,919 Speaker 1: they are very bad, like do look like they could, 961 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, propel him into flight. So there's that there's 962 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: the idea that he is a part of a very 963 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 1: old and archaic institution that you know, I don't know 964 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: if it's garlic a steak, it has not died, you know, 965 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 1: it is almost impermeable, it is. It feels immortal. You know, 966 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,720 Speaker 1: he is a part of this monarch that is just 967 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: like you can't kill it. And who knows. He's very pale. Yes, 968 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that the man has ever had a 969 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: bit of sun. I've never seen a picture of him 970 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,479 Speaker 1: with a tan. You know, he always looks the same, 971 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, like the same, rugged worn, pale, leather bag 972 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 1: of a face. You know. I don't even think I 973 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,440 Speaker 1: can challenge this theory because if I found out that 974 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,560 Speaker 1: he was indeed a vampire, I mean, this lineage makes 975 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,520 Speaker 1: things very very interesting. I don't know that I could 976 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: say I'm surprised. I mean, he did suck the lifeblood 977 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,600 Speaker 1: out of Princess Diana, you know, being married to him 978 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 1: cost her her life, and um, wow, this is so interesting, 979 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 1: Like I've never heard this before this moment, but I'm 980 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna now look into it. So thank you please, 981 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: all the research you need to do to figure out 982 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: if he is well, first, if vampires exists, and number two, 983 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 1: if he is in fact a vampire, and then three 984 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,840 Speaker 1: why white people love it so much? Because to me, 985 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: this and that's the part that I had some challenges 986 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: with is to me, the Royal Kingdom of England and 987 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: all those motherfucker's I'm sure that's not what they call it, 988 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: but the Royal Kingdom of England and all those behind 989 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: closed doors they but but to me, they always represented 990 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 1: an odd pick for people that you wanted as your 991 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: figure heads, you know what I mean? Like, if I 992 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,280 Speaker 1: wanted figureheads, I want them to be sexy and hard 993 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,000 Speaker 1: and and just look, look, I get to look at them, 994 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 1: and I feel proud. And the fact that they've always 995 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: picked these ghoulish monsters as the people, and granted, the 996 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: bloodline apparently is what picked it, not them choosing them right, 997 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: But either way, the fact that they've never overthrown that 998 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: bloodline and made it like you know, fucking Idris and 999 01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 1: his sexy asked people means that these figure head just 1000 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 1: have to have a level of power and control that 1001 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:10,120 Speaker 1: exceeds the people's fight. You know, forever, right, it's forever, 1002 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,760 Speaker 1: which you know, in this moment of you know, white 1003 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: fragility and the Karen's, you know, and the anti maskers, 1004 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,760 Speaker 1: which to me is the reason so many Karen's are 1005 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: going off is because I think COVID kind of leveled 1006 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 1: the field. Like we the mask represents this this threat 1007 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 1: to all mankind, you know, like you being white and rich, 1008 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,440 Speaker 1: it's not going to save you from this virus. So 1009 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,160 Speaker 1: we're in the same boat, honey. So yeah, putting on 1010 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,440 Speaker 1: a mask when you've had access, you've had power, you've 1011 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 1: been on top all your life. I think it's it's 1012 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of like just fucked with a lot of white 1013 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 1: people's brains. And so the idea of being immortal, I 1014 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 1: think it's sexy. You know, It's like, okay, I know 1015 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: they say by by when he's seventy, the human race 1016 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 1: is going to be more you know, the mediaan skin 1017 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 1: tone is gonna be a little bit more brown than 1018 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: we were anticipating, this idea that a white male monarch 1019 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: could live forever. And then you and then you couple 1020 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,480 Speaker 1: Brexit with that, like this excommunication and this you know, 1021 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: this this throwing away of immigrants, which to me is 1022 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: about browning up the country or browning down. I don't 1023 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,480 Speaker 1: know which direction it ghost and but yeah, I could 1024 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:38,200 Speaker 1: see how immortal all powerful white man is a sexy idea, 1025 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, and I see it. 1026 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 1: I think even more to that point, it also ensures 1027 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 1: that that you have a justification for why you remain 1028 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: impoverished or or less than in these communities. As long 1029 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: as this motherfucker's immortal, then I can't beat him. He's 1030 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,600 Speaker 1: a fucking vampire. That's just a regular dude who could 1031 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: get shot like anybody else with a regular bullet. Then 1032 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm tripping to let this motherfucker be that much better 1033 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,120 Speaker 1: than me without doing something about it. Okay, And I 1034 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: just want to just add on to what you just said. 1035 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Please don't get no ideas people. You know what I'm saying, Lengthson, 1036 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,480 Speaker 1: when Lanson was talking about is Charles being a vampire, 1037 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: and then put that in context so that FBI is 1038 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,480 Speaker 1: not calling us into I want to be clear. Shoot 1039 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: the Prince of what what is it, the Duke of Wales? 1040 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: Shoot him, stop letting this one. I'm so com Please 1041 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: don't shoot him. I do not want to be responsible 1042 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 1: for whatever fall Oh my God said some silly ship 1043 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 1: on a podcast that truly none of you should be 1044 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 1: listening to in the first place. You should have better 1045 01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: things to do with. Oh my god, I think we 1046 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: did it. I think we did the thing. This was 1047 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: so much fun. Could you tell the people at home 1048 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: this was amazing? Where they can find you? And what 1049 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,520 Speaker 1: cool ship you have going on? You know? The movie 1050 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,600 Speaker 1: is still on Netflix. The four year version is still 1051 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: on Netflix. I am cooking and baking and working on things. 1052 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,760 Speaker 1: I tend not to talk a lot about it, but 1053 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,880 Speaker 1: like when it when it does come to fruition, I'll 1054 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,679 Speaker 1: be sharing it with you know, your audience. And yeah, 1055 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 1: I just it was a thrill to be on this 1056 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,120 Speaker 1: show because I've had a couple of the couple of 1057 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,720 Speaker 1: people that I'm like, you know what, I think this 1058 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 1: would make my mother proud if I was on Jesus 1059 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,639 Speaker 1: and Marrow, and if I was on my mama told 1060 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,759 Speaker 1: me because I was the child of a black conspiracy theorist, 1061 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,479 Speaker 1: and so Mama, we made it today, we made it. 1062 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,679 Speaker 1: Oh what a beautiful sentiment. That's so nice. Well please 1063 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,880 Speaker 1: go watch go watch four year old version. It's so great. 1064 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Please follow Ratto online and as always, you can follow 1065 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,519 Speaker 1: me at lengths thing Kerman and if you want to 1066 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,400 Speaker 1: send me your drops, your theories, your very harsh opinions 1067 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,160 Speaker 1: about my my performance as a podcast host, you can 1068 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,120 Speaker 1: send them all to my mama pot at gmail dot com. 1069 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know. I think we did it by 1070 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:26,559 Speaker 1: bitch bye because my crop chips in your rails A quality. 1071 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: Bears are racists, money turkey stuff. I can't tell me