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Speaker 1: Hey, we welcome in. I'm Doug Golie. This is all ball.

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Speaker 1: Quick reminder Doug Gallant Show Daily three Essay saved from Stralter,

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Speaker 1: is part two of our Charles Jenkins interview and this

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Speaker 1: is this is where it gets good. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: His personal story if you want to hear that part

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Speaker 1: one amazing, it's in our catalog. It's uh two episodes

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Speaker 1: ago where we talk about the tragic death of his brother,

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Speaker 1: his moved from Brooklyn to Queen's, how he became a

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Speaker 1: star at Hofstrap. But now he's drafted in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: He's drafted the Golden State Warriors, and he's playing with

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Speaker 1: a young Steph Curry who's often injured, and a young

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Speaker 1: Monte Ellis. Um, we'll have another pod for the Olympics stuff.

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Speaker 1: I just want to get to this one. This is

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Speaker 1: my sitdown with Charles Jenkins again, played for Olympiacos last year.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to tam and his thoughts on on Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry and an amazing store. A couple of amazing stories

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Speaker 1: about Steph as a teammate and what he was like

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Speaker 1: in high school. Take a listen. So the Warriors take right,

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Speaker 1: the Warriors taking and now they have Monte and they

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Speaker 1: have step right. Um. But but Mark Jackson is their coach,

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Speaker 1: all right, So you get you get to Oakland. What

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Speaker 1: do you remember about that first trip out there? I

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Speaker 1: mean there was a lockout, so it was I remember

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Speaker 1: like finely saying finally, like, of course, once it happened, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got drafted. Um, we went out to Oakland for

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Speaker 1: like the little press conference, and then they were saying like,

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Speaker 1: you know, after today, we can't we can't contact you guys.

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Speaker 1: So that was a long time. I didn't get back

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Speaker 1: out there until December, and I remember saying like I

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Speaker 1: because now I'm here every day, I'm meeting you know,

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Speaker 1: this coming and work out. So I just remember being nervous,

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Speaker 1: of course seeing Monte Monte have like a personality that

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Speaker 1: you gotta kind of get used to really stand office

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Speaker 1: if you don't know you. Um, but I do remember

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Speaker 1: m Durrell, right, So I went to summer school with Durrell.

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Speaker 1: He went to summer school in New York and he

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Speaker 1: remembered me. So the moment I got there, he knew

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Speaker 1: my phone number. We were like texting the entire time.

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Speaker 1: So once I was around him, I remember feeling a

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Speaker 1: lot more comfortable because it was at least one face

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Speaker 1: that I knew everyone else I never met before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's real. That's weird. Okay, So what did you

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Speaker 1: do during the lockout? Just worked out? Stay home? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was about it. I worked out and I didn't

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Speaker 1: that time, you know, traveling around Long Island speaking at

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Speaker 1: high schools and camps for like fifty because you didn't

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Speaker 1: you didn't get any You didn't get any any money

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Speaker 1: because you guys are all locked out even though you

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Speaker 1: were drafted. Yeah, I didn't get anything. So now you

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Speaker 1: now it's December. You show up at camp. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: are super super young at the time, right, Like I

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Speaker 1: think like Richard Jefferson was the old head on the team.

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Speaker 1: He was like he wasn't there. I wasn't there, No,

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Speaker 1: not yet, he was it was when I got there,

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Speaker 1: it was it was Steph, David David Lee, step Steph,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn, David Lee, uh Monte Ellis, Clay Thompson, Roll Right,

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Speaker 1: Dominic Maguire, Jeremy Tyler. Yeah, I just Bedrin uh Brandon Rush. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what's there in the beginning. Okay, So you

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Speaker 1: You almost as a good guy you and have a

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Speaker 1: good guy, good hair, great athlete. Um uh, what was

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Speaker 1: what do you think of before you got there? Man? Uh?

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Speaker 1: So I went to I went to five star camp

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Speaker 1: um Coach jack I used to always joke with Coach

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Speaker 1: to me. Of course I knew that I wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: I was just super waiting my turn. But there was

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Speaker 1: on on the team. So the fact that I was

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00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: there and I was having an opportunity to to play,

430
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: and I was playing pretty well, I was in my

431
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: mind I was like all right, like yeah this, maybe

432
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: I am gonna be here for a while, Maybe I

433
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: ain't gonna buy my mom my house. But why why

434
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: was it why stack right, like he's you guys are

435
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: about the same age, and but why why why was

436
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: it steps validation that was different than others? Because because

437
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: he was so he was he was really supportive from

438
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: the moment I met him, And I remember like watching

439
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: him on TV when he got to David Sin and

440
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: like him playing well and you know him going to

441
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the NBA and having some some plastics of like really

442
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: good games. And I just knew how good he was.

443
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: And he was like a point guy that I was

444
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: around all the time. I knew he was limited because

445
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: of his injury, but as no, every time I got

446
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: a chance to like talk to him, it was always

447
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: like an open conversation. Him and Durrell, right, but like

448
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: two guys that I really really cared about what they

449
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: their opinion on me of me. Therell to this day

450
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: always tell him. I appreciative, I am of him. But

451
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: when Steph used to say things to me, then I

452
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: really like, it really meant a lot to me. You

453
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: get ready for your second year, yeah, and now at

454
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: the end of the first year, you show that you

455
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: could play right, so I'm sure your expectations are Hey,

456
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: in year two, now I'm gonna be in the rotation.

457
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: What what what? What what happened? Uh? Well, you know

458
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: they have the exit meetings at the end of the year,

459
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: so you have one with the coach and then you

460
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: have one with the GM. It was by myrs so

461
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: we um, I mean with coach Jackson, and it's it's

462
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: like a conversation with your friend. It's like, yeah, man,

463
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: you know this one you need to work on. You know,

464
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you know how you play for us

465
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: this year. You know, of course you gotta work this summer.

466
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: You gotta you know, do x y Z. And you know,

467
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: I think you'll you'll be with us because I had

468
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: up until August to have my contract guarantee for the

469
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: next year, so going about my his conversation is a

470
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: little different. It's like, yeah, you played okay, you know

471
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: we didn't win. Um, you'll have a chance to be

472
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: part of this team, but you gotta lead. You have

473
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: to play well in summer league, and uh, we'll see

474
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: how the draft goes. Of course, Damian Lillard hearing a

475
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: lot about Dame. The Warriors had the seventh pick at

476
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: the time, and I remember I was with Chris Wright.

477
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: Chris Right is my one of my good friends until

478
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: this day. And Chris Wright was on the Warriors as well.

479
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: He had a really good final game for them, so

480
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: it was like, like, you know, both of us should

481
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: be back the next year. Now. Talking to him, he

482
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: was saying, like, you know, my agent is telling me

483
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: that depending on who they pick, one of us is out.

484
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: He was like, if they pick a small forward, then

485
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm out. And if they pick a point guard and

486
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: you out, And I'm like really, And I remember like

487
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: working out the day of the draft, and I was

488
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: like in my head like man, like yo, they take

489
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Damian a little, like they're not gonna need me because

490
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: steps let me back like at a percent next year.

491
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: And uh, me and my mom watched the draft together. Uh,

492
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: Portland's to the Dame and then the worried. Yes, it

493
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: felt like I got drafted all over again, Uh, the

494
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Worriors to Harrison Barnes, so we ended up they ended

495
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: up cutting Chris when we get the Summer League. So

496
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: once this happened, Harrison Barnes Jamond's really get there. We're

497
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: all putting our summer League team together. I'm kind of

498
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: like like running things to play was with Team USA.

499
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm like telling guys, know how things is ran around here,

500
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: this is how it goes. I would need to do this,

501
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm feeling like really good because I'm like,

502
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: all right, now, I know I have a chance to

503
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: be in a team next year, and I have a

504
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: chance that if I played well as some league to

505
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: prove that I could be like a good backup guard

506
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: or something. I get the Summer League and Bob Marius

507
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: called me. He said, I just want to let you

508
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: know that you know, everything we spoke about it is

509
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: still the same, but we're bringing in the veteran guard

510
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: Jared Jack. And in my head, I'm like here we go,

511
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: like now like there's somebody else that I'm gonna have

512
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: to compete with, like for a job, and like you know,

513
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: but under God, that's like more experienced. So there's a

514
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: chance that I'm not gonna there's gonna be some nighttime

515
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: might not play again. And the funny thing is I

516
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: met I met Jack. Jack came down to some league

517
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to be around the team. He was like the best

518
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: dude man, like a great personality, like super funny. He

519
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: was welcoming and he came to the bay. You know,

520
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: he would come to my house, we would go out

521
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: to dinner and talk. So we developed like a friendship.

522
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: But in the league, like when someone plays your position,

523
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: of course you if you have a good relationship with him,

524
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: you want to see them do well. But you know

525
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: in the league, like your opportunity is gonna what's going

526
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: to keep you there. So it was kind of like, man,

527
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: this is a great dude. He's a great experienced player.

528
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, I want to I want his spot,

529
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: like I want the opportunity he's gonna have. And uh,

530
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: it was down to like the last week before my

531
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: contract would be guaranteed, and Steph, which I of course

532
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: I will praise him forever. He reached out to buy

533
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: myers the week before my contract had to be guaranteed,

534
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: and he asked him to fly me to Charlotte. So

535
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I flew to Charlotte and I worked out with Steph,

536
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: Tony Rotten, Seth and Mike come and we worked out

537
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: for three days, and when I got back to the

538
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Bay from that workout, my contract was guaranteed for the

539
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: next year. And I remember telling stuff like, yeah, I

540
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: find out if I'm want the team still tomorrow. He

541
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: was like find out. He's like, don't worry about that,

542
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Like like you're good, Like you're gonna be with us

543
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: stunt work. And the next day it happened. So I

544
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: was happy that I had a job at first, like, alright, cool,

545
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm on the team for sure. My contracts

546
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: guaranteed for the whole year and nothing could happen. I'm

547
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: going to be involved. But at the beginning of the season,

548
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: we played Phoenix the first game and coach Jackson had

549
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: this paper where he was like giving out the roles

550
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: on the team and it was like Steph, I need

551
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: you to be you know, our leader, this that Clay,

552
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I need you to be this, David, David Lee, I

553
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: need you to be that. And at the end it

554
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: was me, Kent Baysmore and Jeremy and Jeremy Tyler and

555
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: basically what our rose was was to stay ready, and

556
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, here we go, like another year. Stay ready.

557
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Let's see your nickname, right, your nicknames? We stay ready

558
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and let's just know that state. Stay ready. What was

559
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: what was Draymond like at this time? Man, Draymond was

560
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: had the most confidence I've probably ever seen. He was.

561
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: It was he was a rookie, but it was probably

562
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: his personality as the same as it is today. He

563
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: was super like aggressive, he was loud, a ton of confidence. Um.

564
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: He always like uh said, spoke things into existence for himself. U. Man,

565
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: he was the same the same as he is now. Crazy?

566
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: Um crazy? Okay? What they trade you around the trade deadline? Yeah?

567
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: What was that conversation? Feeling like? Uh? I mean it

568
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: was it was. It was tough for me, man. I

569
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: was crying. I'm not gonna lie. Uh. There was the

570
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: day like the day before, they had like a media guy.

571
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if his name is Rusty or Dusty.

572
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It's it's something like that. Ah. He

573
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: walking to me and he said, where do you think

574
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna get traded to on Friday? And I had

575
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: no idea. He's like, I'm like what he said, you

576
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: don't know. He's like, yeah, there's some tax thing there

577
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: where you you can bays Moor or Jeremy Tyll is

578
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna get traded. It's gonna happen on Friday. And I'm like,

579
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: what puzzle? And the Friday come and they saying the

580
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: trade deadlines aswelve. So I'm like, all right, if I

581
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: can make it to twelve, and nobody saying anything, Um,

582
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I guess I'm still in the Worriors. So twelve o'clock come,

583
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: nobody said anything to me. Probably about one they called

584
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: me into this room. Bout Myers was in there, and uh,

585
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, we all like sat right in front of

586
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: each other, and Mark Jackson was like, you know, um,

587
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: there were some teams that asked about you, and we

588
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: wanted to do the best that we can to put

589
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: you in a position where you can help a team.

590
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Now in my head, I'm like, man, no way, are

591
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: you kidding me? And by Myers just like, yeah, we

592
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: traded you to Philadelphia. Um, someone will contact you and

593
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: then like thank you for the opportunity. You're a good guy,

594
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: you know you you know everyone likes you around here,

595
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, but this is a part of the business. Blah.

596
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Blah blah. And I walked out the locker room and

597
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: STEP's the first person standing there. He said, what happens?

598
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: And man, they just traded me to Philly. He was like,

599
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: no way, shut up. I'm like, yeah, bro, like I

600
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: gotta leave. So I like went to the car. Uh,

601
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and Jerry Tyler was in the car. No, Jerry Tyler

602
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: was walking out like another room and he said, he

603
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: said they treated you too, And I said yeah. He

604
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: was like uh. I said where are you going? He

605
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: was like Atlanta And then like we like got in

606
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: the car. He both fall like boohoo and his ship

607
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: in the car crying. We went home. I just called

608
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: my family or whatever, tell him that I'll be in Philadelphia.

609
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: And I was there the next the next night. Um,

610
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: what what amount of leaving it was? Because like like

611
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: when when you think of the emotions of leading. Was

612
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: it because they drafted you and gave up on you?

613
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Was it because you felt like there was something special?

614
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Was it the relationships? They're like what what do what

615
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: do you think it was that that made you so

616
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: emotionally attached to the Warrior? It was it was just

617
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: the direction I saw the team going in. Um, I

618
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: was of course I had the relationships there. I was

619
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot comfortable, a lot more comfortable. I feel like

620
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I've worked a lot to get as comfortable as I was,

621
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: and now the fact that I had to go somewhere

622
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: else was like, man, I'm about to start all over again.

623
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: But it was Coach Jackson was really like focused, locked

624
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: in without in that second season, We're going to be

625
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: a playoff team this year. And there was also like

626
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: an East Coast road trip where I played a lot,

627
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and I was like playing pretty well, So I really

628
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be a part of things.

629
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: And then when it happened, I was so mad because

630
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, like I really wanted to be there.

631
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't know. I didn't see like what

632
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: they become up until now, but I wanted to be

633
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: a part of the beginning, you know, like whether I

634
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: was on the team the next season or not. Because

635
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: I only had a two year deal, I wanted to

636
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: be a part of. You know. However, that year finished.

637
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Um that summer, that summer, how did you how did

638
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: you end up uh playing in Yeah? Well I was

639
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: in I was in Philadelphia with Jeremy Pargo and Jeremy

640
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Pargo played in Cleveland earlier that year and he played

641
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: really well. Jeremy Pargo to me as an NBA player, um,

642
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: but he for some reason he didn't get the opportunity

643
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: he deserved. And the entire time because we both were

644
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: living in hotel, living in the hotel when we played

645
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: in phillip we will always talk about Europe. And he

646
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: would say, like, you know, like you no, my brother

647
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: in a journeyman. He played on a different team almost

648
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: every year. No, but it's that comes to you. Gotta

649
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: be you gotta be built different to to have that

650
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of mindset. And I was thinking like, man, I

651
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: could barely get through staying ready. I don't know how

652
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: you could possibly play on different teams and live with

653
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: that left a look uncertainty every day. And he was

654
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: telling me like, you know, you know Europe. You know

655
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: you can make a lot of money in Europe. You

656
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to play, you know. He was telling

657
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: me like all these good things about Europe. And I

658
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: was like, man, that don't sound like a bad idea.

659
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: And I wasn't when I was after the after my

660
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: season with the six years, I wasn't getting like calls

661
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: from teams or anything. So Europe was was an option

662
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: for me, and my agent didn't know that, and I

663
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: called him and I said, man, I don't want you to, like,

664
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: if you get like an offer from a European team, like,

665
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be hesitant to tell me

666
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: about it. And when I said that, Maccabi offered me

667
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: first and telling me Israel yeah, and I turned it

668
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: down because it was too early and as I was

669
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: still trying to hold out scene if I would get

670
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: any type of NBA offer um. And then like around

671
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: like late July, my agent called me. He sent me

672
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: like a bunch of video was from the Serbian team

673
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and told me that they'll be playing in EuroLeague. And

674
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: I contacted Jimmy Pargo. We spoke about it. He found

675
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: out the day with Geral League and he was like, man,

676
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: this is an amazing opportunity for you to like get

677
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: a reputation in Europe if you go here. And I

678
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'll give it a try. I was like,

679
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: am I gonna play? He was like, you're American, you

680
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: have to play. They will cut you. And I was like,

681
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: all right, at least at least I don't have to

682
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: worry about, like not playing the um I got. I

683
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: got to speak to de Marcus Nelson on the phone.

684
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: He played he was returning there. We had a good conversation.

685
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: He shared his NBA experience with the Warriors and what

686
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: happened he got to Chicago, and I felt good enough

687
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: to give it a try. So what do you what

688
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: was your first trip to serve your like man, I

689
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: wanted to go home the minute I landed. I just

690
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: met a bunch of people that I didn't know. Um,

691
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: there was the cyrillic um writing on a lot of

692
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: things and airports. I didn't really know what they said.

693
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: And they put me in like this hotel that was

694
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: like in the corner, so I really couldn't I really

695
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything but like go to my room and

696
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: wait for this guy to pick usselup and take us

697
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: to practice correct twice a day every day. So I

698
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: was I was in the plus, I didn't know about

699
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: that there. Um the plugs was different from my ars,

700
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: so I couldn't charge my phone. Do you've never been overseas?

701
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Never been? You've never been overseas? You're like twenty four

702
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: years old or whatever, three years old? You play in

703
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: the NBA and like you're in Serbia, which like the

704
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: reality is Croatia really nice, especially when you got there right,

705
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: but you don't you don't have any in comparison to

706
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: where you've been lit like NBA hotels, NBA lifestyle, Like

707
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: this ship is different. And then then you get there

708
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: and they start doing that weird stretching stuff that they

709
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: do right with the risks in the knees, and you're

710
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: just looking like, what is the wait? I was just

711
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: in the NBA's exactly how I felt. I think I

712
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: think it was my first because we got there at

713
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: nighttime to training camp, so we had to drive three

714
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: hours to the mountains where the team was, you know

715
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: me team, meet the coach, and then you know, watch

716
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: one practice and then the next month we practice. So

717
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: my first full day I was like, man, this is

718
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: crazy because so did you lift first and then you shoot? No,

719
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: you lift first and then you condition, then you shoot,

720
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: and then practices over that someone in practice and then

721
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: that nice. It's just all out five three on three,

722
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: five on five, but it's super intense, like if your

723
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: guard you gotta pick up full court. If not, the

724
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: coaches like yelling at you, was like it was like that,

725
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: and inn my him like, yo, what you know? What

726
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: did I give myself into? Like we were running so

727
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: much it felt like college again. And we would run

728
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: for things like we were run for, like someone's behavior

729
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: or someone was talking about the coaches talking. It was

730
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: like in the NBA is like three like if you

731
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: have something to say, say it. I never ran a

732
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: sprint because someone behaved a certain way while I was

733
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in the NBA, so I didn't expect it to receive

734
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: it when I got there. That's that's what it was.

735
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: The coach was like extremely tough. He was he was

736
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: on us about everything. He cared about your personal life

737
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: and the decisions you made because he related everything to

738
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: the game and you're not being focused. And I was like, man,

739
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: this is way different than what I expect. And also,

740
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: wait until four o'clock, which is ten o'clock in New

741
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: York for my family to you know, start you know,

742
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: getting ready for working things so I could talk to them.

743
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: So all of that was like super super like different

744
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: for me. Um, okay, so you when did you when

745
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: did you feel like you below like you like, all right,

746
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: I can do this. Um. Once the season started, Um,

747
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: we had a like an Asiatic League game. Um, and

748
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I played pretty well and then coached put in a

749
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: couple of like isolation plays for me back then, and

750
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, like this feel the basketball thing.

751
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I never felt like I didn't belong, but I just

752
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: think my opportunity. I had to prove myself because that

753
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: was my first time of year. But the different thing

754
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: about it was having your absolute best game in Europe

755
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: and then coming home and your family don't even know

756
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: that y'all just played because that work or they're they're

757
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: on their way to work while you were, like you know,

758
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: on the floor getting ready for a game. So that

759
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: was like the hardest thing I had to do at

760
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: that time. Did you now did when did you start

761
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: to because like you you've been on the same team

762
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: three different times, right show. But they like in terms

763
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: of lifestyle, when did you move out of the Did

764
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: you move out of the hotel they get you? When

765
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: did you get an apartment? Yeah? They so there was

766
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: like the team pays for your apartment and they gave

767
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: you a car. So once we got back from training camp,

768
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: we were in training camp for eight days and then

769
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I think I was in the hotel for probably like

770
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: three more nights, and they were like, you know, we're

771
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: gonna bring you. We're gonna show you, you know, three apartments.

772
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: You let us know what you think. If you don't

773
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: like them, we'll show you three more. And I'm like, man,

774
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: I need to get out of the hotel and just

775
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: like you know, find my spot where I'm gonna live.

776
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: So out of the three, I just picked the best one.

777
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: And I was alone. I didn't have like a wife

778
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: or kids like some other dudes had that that needed

779
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: more things in an apartment. So I was just like,

780
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: all right, this is cool. It's the one better room.

781
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: If my family come, they could sleep in this other

782
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: little smart room. Let me get this one. And I

783
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: think that was like right before the season started, maybe

784
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: in like September, and then what did you I mean?

785
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: We were We were gone for a lot of that.

786
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of the beginning of season, we played

787
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: a lot of like they call him friendly games, we

788
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: call them exhibition games. So we were like together as

789
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: a team, so we ate just whatever the coach wanted

790
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: us to eat. Honestly, he had like a really he

791
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted everybody to be super super uh focus and in shape.

792
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: So the strength. Coach always had like meal plans for us,

793
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: and then um, when I got back, I had like

794
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: a team. Like an old dis Serbian woman. She was

795
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: my cook for three years. All you say she cooked

796
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: for you, that's straight, like that great. The cost of

797
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: living there is really it's really like it's really low.

798
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: So this woman I paid her two and fifty dollars

799
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: a month and she cooked for me five days a week,

800
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: lunch and dinner. Oh my god, Oh my god, that

801
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: would never happen anywhere in the world. Okay, So what

802
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: was the best thing she made? She as mede like chicken,

803
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: potatoes and like, uh, big salad she's always made. Okay.

804
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: So you you played in Russia, you played in Italy

805
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: and uh and you played in Greece as as well

806
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: as as Serbian. Yeah, I played in Russia. So I played.

807
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: It was yer o great and we actually won the

808
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: league that year. But the Russia, the stories off the

809
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: quarter the even better than the stories kind of like

810
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: on the court. One memory of playing in Russia, Uh,

811
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: basketball wise on whatever you want. When I say Russia,

812
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: the first thing it comes to your month. Oh just

813
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: cold people, man, Yeah, yeah, everybody was gray or black.

814
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: They all seem they all wear in the winter, they

815
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: all everything is covered up. They kind of shuffle around.

816
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: There's no lines anywhere. People just push kind of towards

817
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: the front, right, everybody smokes. I just think, I just

818
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: think about I mean, I played in Russia for two years,

819
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: so the beginning was really really different. So Serbia is

820
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of like college, like a college town. Like everyone's

821
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: involved in the games. They really really care, you know,

822
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: whether you want to lose. You know, you might get

823
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: messages after the game, like you know, if you didn't

824
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: play well, if you didn't cover the spread for whoever. Um,

825
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: it's really intense. It's a lot of pressure there. Now Russia,

826
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: basketball isn't the number one sports. So not only do

827
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: the country as a whole not care that much about basketball,

828
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, the people there's a lot of people that

829
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: don't care. So like after games, like I remember, like

830
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: when I was in Serbia, if I didn't play well,

831
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: I will turn off, you know, let a couple of

832
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: days go by, and then you know start you know back,

833
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, using my phone again just to not see

834
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: what people were saying. But like in Russia, whether you

835
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: had your best game or your worst game, nobody cares, no,

836
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: what cares at all. It's like super like it was

837
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: super cold. Of course. Um, my teammates we we won

838
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: the Russian Championship. Okay, so they're like, so we win

839
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: the championship, like we come home and like the team

840
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: was basically sacked and put together to win the championship

841
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: because Sets had won every year before that. Yeah, it's

842
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: just this is And what I remember is we had

843
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: like a victory parade around the city and like we're

844
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: on the back of something like flatbed and they're like

845
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: beeping the horn and yelling stuff and playing music in

846
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Russia and people are like coming out there about me,

847
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: like we don't know who you are or what you're

848
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: doing here. Get that. But you know, it's like ten

849
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: in the morning, and we don't care if your champions

850
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: there were, you know, right, like we don't, we don't.

851
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Um okay uma. One memory of playing in Italy that

852
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: was the first time my dad got on the flight

853
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: to come see me play. We played the cup weekend.

854
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Um the Milan Uh you know that that Midway the

855
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Midway Cup You're play in February yep, yep, so we

856
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: host we we were hosting it. In the Milan and

857
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: my mom and my dad came at the same time

858
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: and we played. We ended up winning the cup in

859
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: front of him, So it was fun. That was amazing

860
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: for me. Um, what what's what's that? What's that feeling? Like?

861
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, considering your dad, he was working three jobs

862
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: when he went to Hostra and now all of a sudden,

863
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: you're living in Milan, playing professional basketball winning a cup,

864
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Like what did did? Have you ever had a conversation

865
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: about all that you've been able to accomplish? Not really,

866
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean I always honderstand only talk about it when

867
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: I have like an interview and someone asked me about it.

868
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: I never really of course I think about it, but

869
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really say much about it. I

870
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like reminisced about it when I get

871
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: a chance to. At that time, that was like the

872
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: first time I made some really, really good money. That

873
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: was my first really really you know, good contract in Milan.

874
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of new responsibility that I

875
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed. You know, I enjoyed taking my parents

876
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: to dinner and no one you know, reaching for their

877
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: car when the bill is there. Yeah, that's a great

878
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty cool on, right, Like, yeah, I

879
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed putting my dad in first class and my mom

880
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: and like first class all the way here. So it

881
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: was like just like understand also like when my mom,

882
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, understand, when when you're young, you think your

883
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: parents have all the money in the world, you want

884
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: them to buy you things. You know, when the older

885
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: you get, you understand that it's not like that. And

886
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: then the reason they proud at work a lot it

887
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: was to provide for you. So, you know, getting older

888
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: and making you know, a significant amount of money. You know,

889
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: I was able to you know, have conversations with my

890
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: mom and ask me if you need any money for

891
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: her to text me. And my mom is big pride,

892
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: like big time pride person that she would rather I

893
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: don't know, hustle than to ask anyone for money. So

894
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: when I was able to have that, like that was

895
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: around the time where if my mom actually for money,

896
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: I could give it to her and it will be

897
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: within my budget and it will It felt amazing to me.

898
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: So like around that time, that's when I I made

899
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: some really good money and I was able to really

900
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: provide for my opinions. So that was like that was

901
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: great for me. Well in Greece, um man, I mean

902
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I was I just finished in Greece, So Greece I

903
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: didn't really get the full experience. Of course I played

904
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: against both teams, uh throughout my career, but just because

905
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: of COVID, Greece was on big time lockdown throughout the

906
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: entire year, so I didn't really get to experience it.

907
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I just played with the best guard in euro League history. Uh.

908
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: I see the spinullas, so I think that's the best

909
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: from what what was he? Okay? So you've you've played

910
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: with Steph, You've played with Sinus, Okay, what's the newest?

911
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: Like for somebody who's never seen his game? What you

912
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: like as a player? Yeah, I mean he's a he's

913
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: he's small. He's a small shooting guard, but I mean

914
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: in Europe you can be uh six threet shooting guard.

915
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: So he's about maybe like six three six four. Um,

916
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: he could shoot it really well. Uh. He actually had

917
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: this set that teams called the spinulas, which is like

918
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: a handoff at the top of the four where he

919
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: made place. I mean he's at the end of his career,

920
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: he just retires, so I didn't really get to see

921
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: what he was like when he was really in his prime.

922
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: But playing with him this year, I could just see that,

923
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, he really cares about the game. He's really superstitious. Um,

924
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe the most superstitious person I've ever seen in my life.

925
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: Like like what like, well, all his shoes his locker,

926
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: they're all placed the right foot in front of the left. Um,

927
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: he has to walk around this. Uh it's like, um,

928
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: so there's like a straight when you walk in the

929
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: locker room. There's a straight path to his locker. If

930
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: you want, you could just turn left and walk all

931
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: the way, walk straight and be at his locker. But

932
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: he like loops around this desk that's normally put there.

933
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Then he sits down. Uh. He has um like uh

934
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: something some like pictures that he kissed before practice. Uh,

935
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: he does like the same preparation lift. All of the

936
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: staff is involved where they know where they gotta be.

937
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: This is just for practice. Gets on the court, he

938
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: has a stretch he does. He sits down, He gets

939
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: like a massage real quick, maybe like five minutes, and

940
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: he stretched, grabbed have the ball to dribbles, fade away

941
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: and then he's tapped his foot on the baseline. Um,

942
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: on the road, whether whether we're going to the airport

943
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: or we're going to the game, he has to be

944
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: the first one off the bush. Like you said, he's

945
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: not retiring because he can't play anymore. He's retiring because

946
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: he's tired of his tired of his routine. Yeah, his routine.

947
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: His routine is sick. And I'm only I've only play

948
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: with him for six months. So just to see that,

949
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: to see that, it made me like, of course, I

950
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: had my little superstition like throughout my career sometimes like

951
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: it depending if I play well, whatever I ate that day,

952
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat that the next couple of games

953
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: until I don't play well, and then there's a well

954
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: for that superstition. Like I did things like that. But

955
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: to see his it made me like, man like I

956
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: would never like, I would never like have that have

957
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: that kind of superstition involved around the game. But he

958
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: really was super super like the same exact things sent

959
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: in the same seat. Yeah, it was amazing, Yeah, it is.

960
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: It is amazing. Um for we're watching the Olympics, okay,

961
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: and you try and you try and explain to people

962
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: how it's it's like a different way of playing the

963
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: same game every but we see like Kevin Durant and Dame,

964
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: we're like, oh we got this, weren't win this, But

965
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: it's it's just the game. The rules are slightly different,

966
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: the the interpretation of the rules is very very different

967
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: and um, and you know, obviously the style is different,

968
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: and it it allows the world to be more competitive

969
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: with us, then they probably should be if it was

970
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: playing American style. As somebody who's now played as long

971
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: as you have, at as high level as you have,

972
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: how would you explain what's so different about Phoeba style bastball. Um,

973
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: that's less space on the floor. So in the NBA,

974
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, you can watch Kevin Durant play, you know,

975
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: one on one against someone to have the entire right

976
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: side of the court too display his talent. Um. I

977
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: think the NBA has catered more to UH entertainment as

978
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: well as the individual talent that they have. I think

979
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: just with like you know, defensive three seconds for example,

980
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: you can't stay in the lane for more than two

981
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: point nine seconds. Now, let's say someone is getting out

982
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: of the lane and Kevin Durant is on the right side,

983
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: He's someone the defenders on the left block and help,

984
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant is playing one on one against somebody

985
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: on the right side. Let's say Kevin Durant break them down,

986
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: and you just getting out of the lane for your

987
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: renew year with your your three second defensive three seconds,

988
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: but Kevin Durant is attacking. There's a possible chance that

989
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: he's going to be attacking the ran just when you're

990
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: getting back into to try and block his shot. He done.

991
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Dunks create a lot of you know, clicks now and highlights,

992
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: and that creates a lot more attention to the league

993
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: and makes the game more excited and dunce and threes

994
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. In Europe, the big man

995
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: can stay in the paint. So imagine how this is

996
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: even This is even better thing I can say. Walter

997
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: Devar is played in the NBA for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

998
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: He was cut from there. He came to Madrid. Walter

999
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: devrus seven tall. He has amazing big hands. He's probably

1000
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: one of the best centers in Europe. Why is that

1001
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: because he can literally just stay in the paint and

1002
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: block shots. Because the rules is catered to more uh

1003
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: playing together um and running your full offense and doing

1004
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: the best you can to create a good shot for

1005
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: your teammates. Yeah, would say, like I try to explain

1006
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: to people and say, like it's kind of like like

1007
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: little kids soccer in America is kind of like NBA basketball, right,

1008
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: where little kids soccer, if you have the best player,

1009
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: you give it the ball the best player and he

1010
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: just goes by everybody in scores, right. Whereas whereas like

1011
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: in in in international soccer, like they passed that thing

1012
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: backwards sideways fifteen times, right, everybody touches it and that's

1013
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of the feeling for how they play basketball as well,

1014
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: where it's that soccer mentality. Everybody touches, everybody moves and

1015
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: kind of a shot becomes available, whereas kind of we're

1016
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: kind of a brute force country, right, We're just like

1017
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: we have the best guy, give him the ball and

1018
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: everybody get out of the way. Okay, But how come

1019
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: how come small ball doesn't work as well? Right? Like

1020
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: if if Team USA goes to goes to small and

1021
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: they play dre at the five, how come it doesn't

1022
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: work or it doesn't work as well in international competition

1023
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: as it states. I don't I don't think it works

1024
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: as well just because the court is much smaller, so

1025
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: you don't have that that much space, and and a

1026
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of teams they normally just keep their bigs in

1027
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: the paint. Like in the NBA, Draymond will of course

1028
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: he could take the ball and they're they're they're gonna

1029
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: be scenarios where he can take the ball into the

1030
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: court and make plays. But I feel like with that

1031
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: with the least amount of space that they have UM

1032
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: in Europe and makes it a lot tougher to like

1033
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: to play as open as you can in the league.

1034
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's guys that can help UM. There's no

1035
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: illegal defense or defensive three seconds, so that makes it

1036
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: already like you're playing like a matchup zone count of

1037
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: the entire time. Now put that with amazing athletes, like

1038
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: like a Rudy Gerbert, who's an amazing defensive player in Europe,

1039
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna co mean in the NBA, he's gonna be

1040
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: ten times that in the European game because now he

1041
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: don't have to leave the pain at all, And it's

1042
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: at there centers that can really shoot the ball that well,

1043
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: it's where he needs to be out there covering, and

1044
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: the court is small enough where guards could probably close

1045
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: out and make it difficult for um it's guys to

1046
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: get them with space. Yeah, no, I mean it's it's

1047
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. And Rudy Gobert, And like Rudy Goberts for example, right,

1048
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned the bars, but like Rudy Gobert, his inability

1049
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: to cover on the perimeter and his inability to score

1050
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: against smaller defenders, like that's why they lost the Clippers, right,

1051
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: the Clippers just went small and ran him out of

1052
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs. In my playoffs. Now you look at him

1053
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: with with France, and you know he scores fourteen and

1054
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: he's a way bigger defensive presence because the rules and

1055
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: the styles are so different. Okay, So I guess here's

1056
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: the question. If you were in charge, now, you gotta

1057
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: keep in mind that like in America, we just don't

1058
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: have we just don't have the many bigs, right, like

1059
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: we just don't. Like it's crazy, we don't. We we

1060
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: got all the wings and guards, we don't have to

1061
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: have the big If you were in charge, do you

1062
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: think we could compete better in international competition if we

1063
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: got guys like yourself that play international basketball more often? Right,

1064
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Like you know the style, do you think it would

1065
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: be a better idea for USA basketball to use the

1066
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: top level Americans that play overseas. Nah, I don't think so. Um.

1067
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: I think I think they have they have more than

1068
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: enough talent to to win. I think I think guys

1069
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: just need to really share the ball, like the tough

1070
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: shots that you're taken the NBA. Yeah, of course you have,

1071
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: you have thirty attempts at that. But I think they

1072
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: have so much talent on a team that they need

1073
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: to just play together, like make the extra pass. I understand,

1074
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: but then that sounds really good, Okay, But when like

1075
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: like KB is like, yo, I've done this for a decade, right,

1076
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: So it's like David, like David Leward. It's like with

1077
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Paul George said like, hey man, and to day, that's

1078
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: that's a bad shot, right, and he's he's right. But

1079
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: like in the NBA, like you make that big shot

1080
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: to win a series against the Clippers, and that's all

1081
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: we talked about, like whereas in the when in international

1082
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna get you killed? Like you that just that

1083
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: just is And when guys said if you've done something

1084
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: one way for a decade and you're like, I mean

1085
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: just like think about how hard it was for you

1086
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: to go from just being in the NBA in terms

1087
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: of lifestyle to the one the first practice you had

1088
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: in Serbia. Now imagine doing it for a decade and

1089
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: being a superstar and then they're like, hey man, for

1090
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: the next tournament, we need you to move the ball

1091
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: the first time you get every time like that, I totally,

1092
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: I totally understand it. But if you if you see

1093
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: for me, and if you look at like let's say

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: the NBA m v P. Right, the NBA m v P,

1095
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: he average probably close to thirty points a game, these

1096
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: amazing stacks. Now in Europe, the m v P the

1097
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: last couple of years maybe average under sixteen points a game.

1098
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: Like there are nights in Europe when you're playing like

1099
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: euro League, which is the top competition, if you have

1100
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: like eight points, that's considered a great night. And that's

1101
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: because of the team. The team is is most important,

1102
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: Like there is the value of the team is more

1103
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: important than the individual player. Those are the teams that

1104
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: went the team that got the individual player. In Europe,

1105
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: you know they're normally not doing too well, but the

1106
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: teams that play together is who win, and that's what

1107
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: well all the countries that I've been and that's what

1108
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: they that's what they thrive on. That's what films about

1109
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: film is about. You know this, this person is going

1110
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: to be open when you get this this, this is

1111
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna be open for this personal drive and kick gonna

1112
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: get open. Looks like this I played for or a

1113
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: coach Barski school, even games we won, he would pause

1114
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: the film and circle who was open, Like, you can

1115
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: make this past. This purchase is a better shot than this.

1116
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: Of course you made. This is a tough contexted shop,

1117
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: but look, this person is open. I feel like if

1118
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: if the USA play it like that, So play with

1119
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: the mindset that Draymond has. Because Draymond is a team

1120
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: guy who makes the right plays all the time, gets

1121
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: to open. Dude, does a lot of small things that

1122
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: helps the team win. I think they would beat everyone easily. Um.

1123
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I've see people saying that the talent, the talent level

1124
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: was I don't think that. I just think these are

1125
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: guys that played together for years with the same system

1126
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: and now it's just becoming more obvious now that we

1127
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: have so much individual talent. And then, um, all right,

1128
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: you're thirty two. How and to the body says, No,

1129
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: how's the body. The body is fun, The body is fine.

1130
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm not I'm gonna go over to Europe late

1131
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: because my mom is having some some some health issues

1132
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: right now. So I'm not gonna be on this first

1133
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: wave of players going over. But I mean I'm still

1134
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have any injuries. Um still feel

1135
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: good still, Carol, whether I win to lose, and I

1136
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: still like to compete. So as long as the team

1137
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: in Europe has a contract from me, you know, I'm

1138
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: going to continue to play. Um. I played against Omar

1139
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Cook this year, Olmar, it's gonna be forty this year.

1140
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: Still look the same way he did ten years ago,

1141
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: and I got a relationship with him. So as long

1142
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: as I can, I'll continue to play. Sure your your

1143
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: lifestyle now on a daily basis, like are you do

1144
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: you feel like do you feel in any way kind

1145
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: of like there's a certain European sophistication right where now,

1146
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Like even if you still have the two practices, now

1147
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: you go to a cafe at lunch, now there's kind

1148
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: of a different sort of comfort level, right you have

1149
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: It's not that you're not hungry, but you do have

1150
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: like you got you got money, so it's it's you're

1151
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: you don't have to cut corners on little things you

1152
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: used to have to cut corners on like what what

1153
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: is what is your like like on a daily basis. Granted,

1154
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: this last year was weird for COVID, right, like did

1155
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: you it changed? So what it changed? Honestly? Before of

1156
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: course being away for ten months, I used to exert

1157
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: all my energy trying to see everyone that I didn't

1158
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: see while I was overseas, whether it was going out

1159
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: and being extremely exhausted through today just by trying to,

1160
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, hang out with my friends as much as

1161
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: I can. But now a little older, um, everything is organized,

1162
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: from my workouts to what I'm gonna do for the

1163
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: rest of the day. I'm not out late at night anymore.

1164
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in bed by lemon now reading a

1165
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: lot more. It's more, it's more relaxed. I think my twenties,

1166
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time going out and being

1167
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: in clubs and things like that. But now that I'm overing,

1168
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: rest is very important. So funny I had to I

1169
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: had I had five thirty on my thought. He was

1170
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: like saying the same thing, like, man, I was I

1171
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: was a street kid, Like I didn't they called me

1172
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: five thirty for a reason, you know. And then we

1173
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: all we all kind of we all grew up at

1174
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: some point. Okay, so lockdown this year like okay in

1175
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: the States, but we couldn't do anything like you could

1176
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: you go get a coffee and you could uber echto

1177
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: your house, you know, you go pick stuff up. And

1178
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: when it was really really locked down, like everybody, there's

1179
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: no sports. We were watching Netflix and The Last Dance

1180
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: when you're in Greece and things were things were shut down. Uh,

1181
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: like did you do you have like mobile ordering? Like

1182
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: what is it? What is it like that they have?

1183
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: They have to same It's not Uber Eats, it's something

1184
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: close to that. I think it's called Globo. So we

1185
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: have that. But out there it was a lot. It

1186
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was strict as well. So there

1187
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: was like, um, you had to text a number. It

1188
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: was like a like a five digit number and you

1189
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: had to send a text. So the number one it

1190
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: meant that you were like going out for like a walk. Uh.

1191
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: Number two meant like family emergency, donn't have to go

1192
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Number three meant like supermarket and like

1193
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: they were like all these numbers that had these different meanings.

1194
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: So before you leave the house you had to you know,

1195
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: text this number and wait to get a reply back.

1196
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: You got to send it your name and everything. Because

1197
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: they caught you out. It was like a crime if

1198
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: they were gonna lockdown. Wow the team. The team, Uh,

1199
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: we got these letters from the government where we were

1200
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: allowed to be outside the the house from ten to

1201
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: like four. That's like with a possible time you could

1202
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: be in the gym practicing. So if you ever pulled

1203
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: over and the police actually like why are you out

1204
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: and showed them the letter and then that don't like

1205
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: allow you to drive off without you know, having to

1206
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: me any type of trouble. Wow, that's crazy. And you're

1207
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: playing for Olympiakos, which like the it's one of those

1208
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: places where you see on tape normally the cloud is crazy,

1209
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: but instead you're stead. You're playing in an empty gym

1210
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: that had to be and that had to be big

1211
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: gym two. Yeah, it's completely different. I played aginst Slimpiaco

1212
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: so many times and the Red Star in Serbia is

1213
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: like they call each other orthodox brothers. So I was

1214
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: expecting a crazy crowd, but you know, we never got

1215
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: that chance this year. So what do you know where

1216
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: you going next year? I'm gonna be home. M I

1217
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: didn't sign anywhere yet. Like I said, my mom my

1218
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: mom is uh, my mom is you know, she's experiencing

1219
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: some some some health problems right now and that we

1220
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: need to uh make sure to everyone's around just in case,

1221
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, something happened. So that's the most important thing

1222
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: for me. M my play for ten years, I've saved

1223
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: my money and you know this time I need to

1224
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: be I need to be at home. This that's more

1225
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: important and rutting. I mean, you know, in Europe, when

1226
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: something happens to your family, happens to you, it's not

1227
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: the club responsibility to to do that. They're more concerned

1228
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: about the results of the team. So before I get

1229
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: myself into any situation like that, I'd rather leave for

1230
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: my mom is a better Um. If if you, uh,

1231
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: if you were to talk to a kid who was

1232
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: ten in Brownsville today, Okay, you've all this life, what

1233
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: would you tell him? Man, I'll tell him. I'll tell

1234
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: him that that there's a better life outside of here.

1235
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: For sure, I would tell him that That's the first

1236
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: thing that I would say. I would say there's more

1237
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: of the life than just Brownsville. Um. I just because

1238
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: of that and the fear that I have, um that

1239
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: my nephew can go down that path is like super

1240
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: important to me. So even while I'm home, I make

1241
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: sure like I'm constantly talking to him, you know, I'm

1242
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: constantly going to pick him up. I'm constantly trying to

1243
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: taking places that I know he's never experienced before because

1244
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: I do not want him to go down in the

1245
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: path like at all. So the best thing that I

1246
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: could probably I would do. The first thing I would

1247
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: do is take them to eat in the city, show

1248
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: them something different. I would try to be my best

1249
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: to put them around, you know, people that have experienced

1250
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: some form of success, whether through sports or something else,

1251
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: and try my best to like be in their lives.

1252
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, right now that I'm home, I've been doing

1253
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: my best to try to talk to two younger kids,

1254
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: hang out with them, you know, taking places, talk to

1255
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: them and see where their mind is. Because with the Internet,

1256
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: I think it's things are getting even worse now. How so, Um,

1257
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's about I think there's a lot of

1258
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: pressure for everyone to be perfect every day, So you

1259
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: have this expectation of that because this person posted I

1260
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: don't know a steak dinner that this is how they

1261
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: eat every day. Meanwhile, while you looking at this on

1262
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: your phone, you're probably eating peanut butter sandwards with the

1263
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: in the d bread. But for you, you probably think

1264
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: that this is how this person lives every day. So

1265
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: it creates like some type of like a competition where

1266
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: you're comparing your life too, of course where you want

1267
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: it to be, and you're looking at, you know, the

1268
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: life of one of your peers that's portraying something that

1269
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: he probably only experienced once a year. So I think

1270
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: that's creating a lot of pressure for kids. I mean

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Speaker 1: I've experienced that. There was like times where I used

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: to be looking on Instagram and saying like, man, this

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: person is doing that. Man, like I wish I could

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: have that, Like why don't I have that? How come

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01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm not? It's living like that, And it created like

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: a form of like honestly, like depression. I went through

1277
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: like that. I went through like a tough phase where

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I have my my therapist that

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: I see every Monday, um, but it was when I

1280
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: was in Russia and them cold, them cold went too nicely.

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: You can't go outside. I spent a lot of time

1282
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: comparing my life to other because I had my phone

1283
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: in my hand the entire time, just looking at that

1284
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: Instagram and where other people were doing. Yeah, so what's

1285
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: the what's the It's it's a great like it's like

1286
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: the Simone bios thing, like, right, like, what's the what's

1287
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: the fix to it? How do you? Because it's not

1288
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: going away? Yeah, I do think it's not going away.

1289
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: And I do think that there's a you know, like

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: what I try and do with my son is like

1291
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, man, this has gotta be like you

1292
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: watch some of these guys. They're up there working out

1293
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: at seven in the morning what everybody else is doing.

1294
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: But it's still hard because you know, it's I'll never

1295
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: be that good, I'll never have this, I'll never be

1296
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: that tall, I'll never be that How do you? How

1297
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 1: do you relay the message that you know, because that's

1298
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is a real thing. We moved

1299
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: from Connecticut to California four years ago. You know, we

1300
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: let our It was a mistake. I think we let

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01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: our girls they were going to middle school get get

1302
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 1: them cell phone. And they got a cell phone so

1303
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: they could keep in touch with all their friends. But

1304
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: the problem is that Graham, you know, now they see

1305
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: a birthday party with all their friends that they used

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01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: to have, and then they followed their friends that they

1307
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: just made. But they're not you're not invited everything. So

1308
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: back when we were kids, if you weren't hanging out

1309
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: on Friday night, you didn't think anything of it. Now

1310
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: you're not hanging on a Friday night. You see all

1311
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: of your other friends are together. Right, just even on

1312
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: that level, that's a hard thing for kids, so so

1313
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: so for you personally in terms of having that. You

1314
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: know that I g jealousy. How do you therapy helps?

1315
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: How how else? How else do you process? And how

1316
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: especially and how do we help kids processing? Um? Well,

1317
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: for me with my with my nephew, when we're together,

1318
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: there's no we don't we're not on our phones. So

1319
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: I like to take them places where he can't use

1320
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: his phone. So if we go to dinner, no phone.

1321
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: I tried my best to have him enjoy the real time.

1322
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: I think that was like a problem that I started

1323
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: to notice with myself. I never forget this. I went

1324
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: bowling um with my friends. And when I was younger

1325
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: and I went bowling, bowling was like an event if

1326
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: you if you had a gutter ball, everyone laughed at you,

1327
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: they pointed, they had jokes. If you roll a strike,

1328
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: you turn around. Everybody celebrated together. And I remember like

1329
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: I bowled one time and I turned around, everyone was

1330
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: on their phones. And and also when someone else bowled,

1331
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: they I was also on my phone, and I said

1332
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: to myself, like, man, I'm not even like I'm not

1333
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: even living the moment. I'm actually so worried so much

1334
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: about capturing it that I'm like missing the live like

1335
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: feel of like you know, like fun, like actually having fun,

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: you know. So with him, I try to I try

1337
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: my best to just like taking places where he's not

1338
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: even thinking about using his phone, which is hard because

1339
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 1: the moment everything is done, that's the first thing to do.

1340
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 1: But as long as I, like I can try my

1341
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: best to do that, I think it's giving him a

1342
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: little bit of hope because I'm not gonna act like

1343
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: after that. He's not laying down tick talking for four hours.

1344
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: But I try to keep him active when I when

1345
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: I with him, so he's not drowning in his phone,

1346
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: because I've also experienced that. That's why it's like, like

1347
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: I always think at the time I was, I would say,

1348
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: like when I was talking to my therapist the first time,

1349
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: I would say, like, you know, this is what I'm

1350
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: doing on my phone, like you know, I need to

1351
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: I need I need to find another regiment and I

1352
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: need to get away from, you know, using social media,

1353
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, need to enjoy real life. I would say

1354
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: things like that to him, and then he would he

1355
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: said to me in return, like, imagine how a kid

1356
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: is froming that's at home, and I can't imagine being

1357
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: this young, like and having a phone and having all

1358
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: these big expectations of like what my life is supposed

1359
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: to be. So I mean, that's that's tough. I don't

1360
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: I feel like sports is one thing to keep the

1361
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: kids involved in. But I feel like with the Internet,

1362
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: the attention span is becoming so low, man, Like they're

1363
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: so used to swiping up and seeing something new. That

1364
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: is kind of hard to keep kids focused on one

1365
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: thing unless they really really want to be athlete. But

1366
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: this one, Okay, So my my son is now twelve,

1367
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: and he was five six he played his first flag

1368
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: football game and we get done playing and he's he

1369
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: gets on his first game and he's crying, like, bro,

1370
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: what is wrong? Just played your first black football game.

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01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: You scored a touchdown like it was it was awesome.

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: It's like, Dad, there were no spectacular plays and I'm like,

1373
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? So and then it's like

1374
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: dawned on me, like he hadn't actually even watched, like

1375
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: he wouldn't watch a football game. Everything he watched the

1376
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: football was on YouTube and it was all like it

1377
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: was all highlights. It was all the best catches, you know.

1378
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: And he's like, there were no specsa like, Bro, that's

1379
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: football is not spectacular plays. It's like three yards in

1380
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: the cloud of dust. And then you go and do

1381
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: it again and do it again, and occasionally once a

1382
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: game there might be like one break away play like

1383
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's like in basketball, they watched these

1384
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's about making a kid fall instead of

1385
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 1: making the right play. It's so hard and they and

1386
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: the attention span is worse because they can go see

1387
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: something in a very they can see everything clipped up,

1388
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, so it really is different. Alright, last thing,

1389
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: then you've been great with your unbelievable with your time

1390
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: pro to as as a pro okay, and obviously there's

1391
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: a huge place in your heart for step If you

1392
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: were going to say the best player in basketball right

1393
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: now is Man, I like Lebron, of course, Man. I

1394
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: think when I think about best player, I think of

1395
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: all around. So I would have to go with him. Consistent,

1396
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: really good playmaker, a winner, um deal with a lot

1397
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: of pressure. Obviously, the best number one pick ever, champion

1398
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: even even even even even at this stage, more than more,

1399
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: more more than KT at the same that's it's tough, man.

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: It's because Katie is so good too. Man, Katie could

1401
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: do everything. He can guard one through five, he could

1402
01:16:54,200 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: play one through five. He's not he's not the past maker.

1403
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be. That's fine, you don't

1404
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: have to do that what he he excels at at Scorns,

1405
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, walking, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have

1406
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: to take Labron. It's hard, of course, Yes, you know,

1407
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: if if I if I'm at a park and it's

1408
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 1: there's three players left, I'm taking a step Bro. You

1409
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: know that, Like, I'll go with Steph. But Lebron has

1410
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: been that guy consistently for the last what tim plus years,

1411
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: So I think that's a safe answer for me to go.

1412
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: And of course Step is in the conversation every year

1413
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: as well, but I'll go with labron Um. Okay. So

1414
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: the thing to me that is unique about staff and

1415
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: you tell me because you've guarded all these great dudes,

1416
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: some guys like you mentioned learning when you got the

1417
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: hospital to go left right, like to step into your shot.

1418
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: So and next time you talked to you could ask

1419
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: him this is a real story. So I get his game.

1420
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: I did a game of his his sophomore year, this

1421
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: before he blew up in the n C A term,

1422
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: And I mean he's always just been incredible, and like

1423
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: I underrated him out of the draft or whatever, and

1424
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: he's still always been cool to me. Like it's never

1425
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: he's not never that guy. Never that you know you're

1426
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: a wrong guy. Um. But I told him, like at

1427
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, man, you go. He's like

1428
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: tell me, like one thing you see And I was like, bro,

1429
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: you go left right every time. And I just don't

1430
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: know at the higher level if you can always go

1431
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: left right and get it off. Um, he can go left,

1432
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: he can go right. He can shoot off the catch.

1433
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 1: Most guys have one thing they do far but like

1434
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: Kobe and Jordan's it was going right right, Like Lebron,

1435
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: he's got that weird I don't know if it's a

1436
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: step back or what you would say right, but he's

1437
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: got that weird kind of dribble he does to get

1438
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: his rhythm for a shot, where Steph he's got a

1439
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: couple of his go to moves. But it does feel

1440
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: like it feels like he's equally talented going left and

1441
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: go right and and off the catch or or or

1442
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: in place you've actually guarded him, you've actually worked out

1443
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: with him. Is that the case is that is there?

1444
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: Does he go equally to all these different ways? Yeah,

1445
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: he can. He can, man, So I'll tell you quick.

1446
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: We um when I when I went to work out

1447
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: with him, we worked out in um in in Carolina

1448
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: for I think it's called like acceleration training. That's like

1449
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: his guys like where he's from. And he spent the

1450
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: majority of the workout like finishing, like with his left hand.

1451
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: And it looked the same like everything he did was

1452
01:19:55,240 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: left going left, practice and left whenever even his step backs,

1453
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: everything was left. We did it. We worked out for

1454
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: hours and he just practiced it. But it looked it

1455
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: looked it didn't look much different from when him when

1456
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: he was going right, So I was like looking at him,

1457
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: and I was, of course when I was going left,

1458
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: it felt it didn't feel as strong as it did

1459
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: going right. But you can't you really can't tell, Like

1460
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: if you if you've never seen him play, obviously and

1461
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: he's just dribbling the ball to court, I don't think

1462
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: you can tell what it's his dominant hand, because he's

1463
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: equally as good as you know he could. He could

1464
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: make that high layup that kids are trying not with

1465
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: his left hand, and he can make it with his right.

1466
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: So it makes him like really unguardable because his skill

1467
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: set is so high. And I remember like him not

1468
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: getting something right to him staying in it, like just

1469
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: working at it, like getting mad, but staying in it,

1470
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: continuing to be upset that he didn't make it or frustrated,

1471
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: but continuing to like have a good supportive group around

1472
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: him to tell him that it's gonna be okay, He's

1473
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: gonna make it. Him having that like that drive himself,

1474
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna like this, I'm gonna practice this as

1475
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: much as I can, and I'm gonna and eventually I'm

1476
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna master it. And now like when I see him play,

1477
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, that's that's all I could think of,

1478
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: is like when we were working out together, Like how

1479
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: much he really perfected his crap? So he definitely can

1480
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: go either way. He can shoot it. I always say, Steph,

1481
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: take those shots you wish you could take what you

1482
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: like when you if you're in the park, you say

1483
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: with your friend, if I make this shot, uh bet

1484
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: five dollars I make this. But he to make those

1485
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: in an NBA game, Like that's something that you can't

1486
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: even like imagine, bro, Like do we should we should

1487
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: we give him credit for changing how coaches do those shots?

1488
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: Or this does Gilbert Raina get the credit? Like who

1489
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: should probably get the credit for because this is a

1490
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: discussion I have with my voice, like who gets who

1491
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: gets credit for what used to be considered bad shots

1492
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: to being somewhat acceptable shots depending on who's taking I mean,

1493
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean Gilbert Gilbert was exceptional at that, but I

1494
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: think I think Steph, I think steps timing the platform

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: that he at the time that at the time he

1496
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: did it, it was all he I think he's responsible

1497
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: for the way the game is changed now. I think so.

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01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty interesting, pretty interesting. You're you're on

1499
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: a team with two guys who I would say are

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01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: responsible for changing basketball. Yeah, I think I think that.

1501
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: I think Stefin is the reason that the skill level

1502
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: for like a lot of players is way better. There

1503
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: was a time where the high flyers were praised, you know,

1504
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: and now Tracy McGrady and and Vince And it's not

1505
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: that those guys don't have people to make shots. They do,

1506
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: but but the ability to get go to handle in

1507
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: tight spaces, go to get shots off, like the just

1508
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 1: like the stepback that was that usually when I was

1509
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: coming up, that was probably Kicky Vanaway was the one

1510
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: who was the first to really used to step back.

1511
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: But now everybody's everybody's gotta step back, Like Lucas step

1512
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: back is different than Lebron step back. But that's all

1513
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Hardy was taking step back too. Yes,

1514
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: uh nice, It's so it's so crazy like when I

1515
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: like when I go to the gym now because I worked,

1516
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: I trained on Long Island, but it's I'm involved with

1517
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: this team Crown Basketball, so we got like, um, we

1518
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: got you know, really young kids, and we got kids

1519
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,560
Speaker 1: in high school getting ready to go to college. So

1520
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of them are working in the game all

1521
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: day in the gym, and just to see what they're

1522
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: working on, you're like, man, like, this is this is

1523
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: way different than what you used to Like, of course,

1524
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: players used to work on attack and left. Right Now

1525
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, creating a space, being able to

1526
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: get these shots off using a ball stream, getting a

1527
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: guy in your hip, taking the ball streams, floaters, last floaters,

1528
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: right stepbacks side that my son is twelve, he does

1529
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: that that hardened like or actually the Damian Lillard like

1530
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: when you dribbling you take a quick side step and

1531
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: jump shot right and then and then yeah, I do

1532
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: I do too, and he and and then he's like, hey,

1533
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: let's work on euros. Like I can't. I didn't learn

1534
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: your like I I played in your I wasn't taught euros.

1535
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: So like the footwork is so foreign to me, right

1536
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: and and then and then even coaching defense right where

1537
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: you don't come off the strong side corner anymore at all. Right,

1538
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: you sometimes you try and shut off half the court.

1539
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: How you bought ball string actions is very different. It

1540
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: really is amazing how the game and you've been you've

1541
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: been around it, like you've seen it kind of kind

1542
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: of evolved. It's it's really okay. I like that a lot.

1543
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I like the fact that all the kids are really

1544
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: working on their skills now. I really like yeah, whereas yeah,

1545
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: now they do need to play games right like you

1546
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: do need to, and the competitiveness and your understanding of

1547
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: time and score and situation. But they also the the

1548
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: work ethic to it, I think is great. I think

1549
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: that's even if they don't make it, it teaches them

1550
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: something for the rest of their lives, right, that you

1551
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: put into these low fundamental things and then just paying

1552
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: I just hope that they I just hope that they

1553
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: learned that it's okay to miss that shot too well,

1554
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: watching watching everybody's best plays when they make it, it's

1555
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: also the majority that you know where they missing that shot, right.

1556
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: It's like when you try and tell somebody Stepter is

1557
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: the greatest shooter that has ever lived. He misses half

1558
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 1: the shots you know he missed. Not great, it's against

1559
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: NBA competition, but he misses his half half alright, last, last, last, last, last,

1560
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: twenty years now, charge thinking to doing one coaching. I'm

1561
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: a coach high school. I want to be involved. I

1562
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: want to be involved with you. I've experienced it when

1563
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I was in high school. I mean as I got

1564
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: older and I met other players that had these great

1565
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: relationships with they had the great mentors and told all

1566
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: these good stories about how people help them. I think

1567
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: just from the area that I'm I'm living in, I

1568
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: think there's there's not enough mentors out here for the

1569
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: young kids that of course I've experienced the level of success.

1570
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: My money is well invested, so any type of knowledge

1571
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: that I'll have at that time will be genuine. It

1572
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: will be to really help the next person. I think

1573
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: that's that's just what I want to do. Solid stuff,

1574
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: hey man, even more than greats with your time, Please

1575
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: keep me updated as to the health of your mom

1576
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: and she's in my prayers, and then where you're gonna

1577
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: go play this for sure, hey man, I appreciate you. Man.

1578
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: You remember reading a lot of stuff that you wrote

1579
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: about me, and you always in your praises. So even

1580
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: when when you follow me, I was so happy broke

1581
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: because you really was like one of the first dudes

1582
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: that showed me a lot of love when I was

1583
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: in college. Man, I mean honestly, I'll be totally honest,

1584
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: all is about it. I watched I watched a ton

1585
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: of games and when I was like, like yesterday we

1586
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: had nine games up, and you just some guys jump

1587
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: off the street of you, right, and the way in

1588
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: which you play, like I'm I'm kind of like with like,

1589
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, how do you feel about step

1590
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of the ways I would watch when

1591
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: I when I watch you right, like I'm not as

1592
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: big as you whatever, but like you have you had

1593
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: a kind of like calm but focused demeanor when you played,

1594
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: and you just like knew where you need to get.

1595
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: Like I just again, I remember that Kemba game where

1596
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: I was honestly watching to see Sticks and Kemba play

1597
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: and like, this dude's a killer. Why aren't people talking

1598
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 1: about this dude? He's nice, you know? And and you

1599
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: became like my like my favorite guard to watch that year.

1600
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: That that's it was just the super organic and natural

1601
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I suppo that I appreciate that. Man. I love to

1602
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: meet you one day. All right, I'm I'm gonna bring

1603
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: my kid out and he's going and and you got

1604
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: teaching some of that stuff for sure. Thank you man,

1605
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it seriously. All right now, have a have

1606
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: a blessed day, and I really appreciate you too,