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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech stuff from stuff

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, they're and welcome to text stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren And today we wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about something that, uh technology that really made a

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Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, something that got a lot of people excited.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say it kicks started the virtual

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Speaker 1: reality craze again in the US. Oh my goodness, the

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Speaker 1: Oculus Rift. So yes, and as of June they announced

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Speaker 1: that they had just raised sixteen million in private funding

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Speaker 1: steen million dollars, which isn't shabby for a company run

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Speaker 1: by a twenty year old guy. Okay, let's not focus

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Speaker 1: on how young this guy is. Now, that's amazing, that's

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Speaker 1: that's This is a tinkerer, who is who is of

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Speaker 1: the people and uh eighteen years younger than I am. Oi. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: he really is. Though. He's one of those guys who

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Speaker 1: worked out of his garage messing with stuff that interested

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Speaker 1: him and was able to leverage that into something that

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Speaker 1: world by storm. So we were will be talking a

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Speaker 1: lot about video games but in this case, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a peripheral for video games. So all of you

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Speaker 1: people out there who hate video game topics, this is

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Speaker 1: still cool. It's virtual reality. Now, before we get into

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Speaker 1: a discussion about Oculus Rift and particularly, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: mention just sort of a history of virtual reality. Uh,

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Speaker 1: kind of Jonathan's history of virtual reality. So this isn't

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Speaker 1: personal experimpletely unofficial. He is making it up as he

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Speaker 1: goes along. Dinosaurs will be involved. Okay, well actually yes,

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Speaker 1: well technically it's not a dinosaur. Pterodactyl is not a dinosaur,

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Speaker 1: but it's close. Um, so virtual reality. For those of

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that it started to really kind of

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Speaker 1: and a mouse and this was partially due to science fiction.

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Speaker 1: It was largely due to science fiction. Yeah, because because

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Speaker 1: generated as a result of both science fiction. Also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously Hollywood had a big deal with how this was

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Speaker 1: they look awful by today's standards when you talk about

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Speaker 1: the ethics quality, Well, there were showcases of that early

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Speaker 1: virtual reality at that time. Also, it was really expensive

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Speaker 1: just talk about what the Oculus Rift is. It is

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Speaker 1: So it's this headset and it has motion tracking. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But it was and it's this is this is what's

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Speaker 1: to explain how stuff works. He wanted my job, Palmer

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Speaker 1: Lucky wanted my job. Well, I'm really glad that he

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Speaker 1: that he was like duct taping straps to it so

431
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: that people could demo it at e three. So right,

432
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: this was a little jankie. I'd like to say, yes,

433
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: that is the technical professional term. So what was Lucky's

434
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: reaction to this sudden increase and interest and the possibility

435
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: of actually having a feasible company as a result. Um, Basically,

436
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: he dropped out of the journalism program at Cali State University.

437
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Not a surprise. That's following in the footsteps of so

438
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: many giants in the technology in the street. By the way,

439
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: stay in school kids, not all of us can be

440
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: Palmer Lucky. Right right, you are Palmer Lucky, go ahead,

441
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you have a genuinely terrific idea

442
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: that has gotten someone of the ilk of John krmack

443
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: interested in you that by all means with life's responsibilities

444
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: like I am. But but so from from this response

445
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: at E three, UM, you know, a lot of people

446
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: in the industry started getting into it and UM and

447
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: as soon as they did, he started Lucky started taking

448
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: prototypes to other folks like like the people at Valve, Yeah,

449
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: Gabe Newell example, and uh and and got people like

450
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: Gabe Newell to participate in this new Kickstarter project that

451
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: he was putting together for what we know as the

452
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: Oculus Rift today. Yeah, so this is really the founding

453
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: of Oculus as a company. So Oculus is the company

454
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: that is creating the Oculus Rift. And in fact, you

455
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: can think of the Oculus Rift as being their first

456
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: product and um and so now the plan had changed.

457
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: It was no longer going to be let's offer up

458
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: one hundred dev kits that this one guy is personally

459
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: putting all the pieces together, putting them in a box

460
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: and shipping them off to the hundred or so people

461
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: that have backed it. Now it's let's put together a

462
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: plan to create a more um slightly not a consumer

463
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: level product, because it's still like if you take a

464
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: look at one of the Oculus rough headsets. It does

465
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: not look like like a finished product. Yeah it doesn't.

466
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: It's not sleek and sexy. It's exciting to use, but

467
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: when you look at your like, wow, it looks like

468
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: a black box that you strapped to your face. It

469
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: is because it is. Yeah, that's what it is. It's

470
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: not it's not something that you would think, oh, this

471
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: is something that you could easily market beyond this niche audience. Right.

472
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: The Kickstart fund was for development kits. Right, So the

473
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: goal of that Kickstart fund was about two was exactly

474
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty thousand dollars, two hundred fifty dollars. So, Lauren,

475
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: tell me, did they make it? They made it times ten,

476
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: approximately four hours. They had already made the gold and

477
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: then went went on to raise precisely two million, four

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: hundred thirty seven thousand, four hundred and nine dollars. Yeah,

479
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: it was a lot of money that brought in. And

480
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: then yeah, so's it makes it one of Kickstar's big

481
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: success stories, right right up there with some the I

482
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: mean clearly not on the level of say the pebble,

483
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: but it's it's way up there. It's it's it's on

484
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: the it's on the Holy Cow. Look at what's possible

485
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: into the spectrum as opposed to the AH. So that's

486
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: what really happens when you yes, yeah, they they wind

487
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: up having um nine thousand two backers over seven thousand

488
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: of those where development kit purchases. Right, So it was

489
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: only at certain levels or above that you would actually

490
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: get a developer Yeah. The first one hundred people to

491
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: pledge at the two five level to understan five dollar

492
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: level would receive a developer kit at at a discount,

493
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: because the developer kits in general go at three pop. Right,

494
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: that's how much they are currently selling for on their side.

495
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: If you go to Occulcy, you can, by the way,

496
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: if you want to, you can buy one of these anyone.

497
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: You don't have to have some kind of paperwork. You

498
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: don't need to know that the password is sword fish.

499
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: You know, you don't need to know what recommend receiving

500
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: a Rabies shot. Yeah, yeah, I'm kidding. No, No, Rabies

501
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: is associated with Oculus raft so far. When we get

502
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: that twenty eight days later video game, you know they'll

503
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: be rage. But at any rate, you get some stuff

504
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. In here, uh plug, Yeah,

505
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: the three So you can actually buy one of these yourself.

506
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: But if you do that, you do that knowing that

507
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: your your actual use of it's going to be pretty

508
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: limited if you're not a developer. If you are a

509
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: developer and you want to practice, you know, try and

510
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: create stuff that works with the Oculus Rift, clearly that's

511
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: an investment that would make sense for you. If you're

512
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: an average gamer, unless you are intending to play one

513
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: of the three titles that is currently compatible with the

514
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Oculus Rift, it doesn't make sense because it's not, like

515
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: we said, it's not at consumer product level yet. This

516
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: is this is on the way to becoming a consumer product. Yeah,

517
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: so after after one people could back at the two level,

518
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: that was it. It was sort of an early bird

519
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: special and if you weren't part of that, then you

520
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: had to go at three hundred dollars or higher to

521
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: get at least one headset. At the higher levels you

522
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: could actually get more than one headset at a discount.

523
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: So the solution here to to creating a viable product

524
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: is the partnership with developers, the partnership with game companies.

525
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Because this is kind of like a specialized video display

526
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: that only works with stuff that's been built to work

527
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: with it, So it's not again, it's not like you

528
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: can just plug it in and run any kind of

529
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: software and then you are in the middle of it.

530
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: It has to be optimized for it, and we'll talk

531
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: more about why when we get into how it's actually working.

532
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: But always important to remind people because it is an

533
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: exciting thing. But I don't want everyone running out and

534
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: dropping three hundred dollars and then being disappointed that they

535
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: can't play, you know, Super Mario and be running through

536
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: and knocking the blocks. Although that would be awesome, That

537
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: would be awesome. Uh So moving on, uh the Kickstarter

538
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: campaign as a success, we could say that I think

539
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: that's safe to say, it's safe to call it that

540
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and uh he Lucky would continue to show this off

541
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: at various conferences and conventions. I first heard about this

542
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: when they showed it off at C E S. I

543
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: might have heard about it once or twice beforehand, but

544
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I I knew that it was present at the showroom

545
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: floor at C Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to

546
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: play with it. Then I didn't get a chance to

547
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: play with it until three played the heck out of it, right, Yeah,

548
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that that that kickstarted campaign had run from August to September,

549
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: so yeah, so so moving up to when um they

550
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: were they were just going like, we have all the money,

551
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: and we have all the support and and let us,

552
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: let us and then they got then they ended up

553
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: getting that the additional private support as well as more

554
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: orders that came in after the kickstarter was um atteen

555
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: they beat out both the PS four Xbox One for

556
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: the Best Hardware Peripheral Game Critics Award. Not surprising, it's

557
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of potential, and beyond just the

558
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: virtual reality realm, there are a lot of people who

559
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: are interested in in appropriating some of the same sort

560
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: of technologies that Lucky used to create augmented reality headsets.

561
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: So this would be more like the what we hear

562
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: about the potential for Google Glass or other various glasses

563
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: that are supposed to incorporate augmented reality. At some point,

564
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: they're talking about using something along the same lines as

565
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the technology used for the Oculus Rift. Not clearly the

566
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: way the Oculus Rift is created with these these screens,

567
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: these solid screens in front of your face. That's not

568
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: ideal for augmented reality glasses. If you're gonna be moving

569
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: around in the real world, because you're not gonna see

570
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a video representation of the real world

571
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: directly in front of you. I think most people would

572
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: imagine that the augmented reality version would include clear display,

573
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: right that you could see stuff printed on I could.

574
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: I could see a very similar set of technologies going

575
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: towards that kind of display. Um. But but but we'll

576
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: get into bactual technic stuff and just yeah, so some

577
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: other interesting developments happened that one of them absolutely tragic.

578
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: That happened just before E three June one. Yeah, that's

579
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: when Andrew Rice, who was one of the graphics engineers,

580
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: one of the original team members that Oculus, was involved

581
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: in a car accident. He was it was actually the

582
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: car was fleeing a police chase when it collided with him,

583
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: and uh, and he passed away as a result of

584
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: that accident. And I mean that was obviously this was

585
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: a very tight small development team, right right, It's it's still, um,

586
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I believe under thirty people. Yeah, that's that's that's tiny.

587
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Or when you're talking about something that has it's raising

588
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars and has this kind of reach right exactly.

589
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: So obviously that was felt deeply within their their own

590
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: company and across the community. I mean, this was the

591
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: other thing about Oculus was that, uh and and something

592
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: they continued to do. They update regularly, they blog about

593
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: the development process, they blog about the people involved. So

594
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: there were backers who felt you know, personal connections. So

595
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: that was that was a very tragic moment. Um. They

596
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: also on August seven, so not too long before we

597
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: record this podcast. We're recording this in on August fifteen.

598
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Um and uh, but on August seven, John Carmack stopped

599
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: becoming just an evangelist for the company and started to

600
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: work for the company as the chief technology officer in fact,

601
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: yep CTO and uh he also is uh still continuing

602
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: his work with other companies as well. It's not like

603
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: he's quit everything just to work exclusively for Oculus, but

604
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: now he is on the company payroll. And yeah, as

605
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: of July, they had seventeen thousand developed are Kids out

606
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: so they were actually delivering upon the backing. That's something

607
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: else I should point out. Because their kickstarter kickster has

608
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a I don't know if if

609
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: you could say that Kickster has a tarnished reputation, but

610
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: certain the idea of having a Kickstarter campaign has a

611
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: little bit of a tarnished reputation only because there have

612
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: been cases, particularly when it comes to something like promising

613
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: a particular type of technology, where the delivery has either

614
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: been delayed or even canceled, and it has caused uh

615
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: people to kind of have a negative reaction to Kickstarter

616
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: in general. So this is actually a positive story in

617
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: the sense that here's a company that held the Kickstarter

618
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: campaign unless than a year later according to their website,

619
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: like yesterday. If if you buy a dev kit right now,

620
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: it'll be shipping sometime in September. That's a pretty quick

621
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: turnaround considering that this is still I'm sure this is

622
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: still one of those things that doesn't have a truly

623
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: seamless manufacturing process yet because it's still in the developers

624
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: um and and they are set to open a Dallas

625
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: office very soon. Yea, possibly right now. Yeah, go check

626
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: you're in Dallas. Let's know if it's open yet. All right,

627
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: So that sets us up. We're gonna take a quick

628
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, we'll talk a little

629
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: bit more about actually how this thing works, what it's

630
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: doing to create the images you see, and and how

631
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: it tracks your movements. But before we get into all

632
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: those technical details, we're gonna take a quick break and

633
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: thank our sponsor. So now let's talk about how this

634
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: crazy thing works. We mentioned a little bit about it already. Yeah,

635
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: the way that you see in three D vision with

636
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: your eyeballs is that is that you know they're they're

637
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: slightly offset. They are not in the exact same place

638
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: on your face, because we can't be a cyclops you

639
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: could be if you really tried, yeah, or film misfortune

640
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: befel you. Yes, uh, this this has happened to to

641
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: to some people. There there are many medical conditions in

642
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: which you only have the use of one eye, and

643
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: and that is where you do not get stereoscopic stereo.

644
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: You know, into you can duel yes, um and uh

645
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: and yes so so so combining two images that are

646
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: very slightly offset, your brain goes, I can I can

647
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: see this in three dimensions? Right, So instead of us

648
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: both getting two sets of images, that remain two sets

649
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: of images in our brains, which would be kind of

650
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: an interesting experience, I'm sure, But also maybe disorienting. Uh.

651
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: This this two sets of data get combined into one set,

652
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: and that's what we think of as the world around

653
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: us as far as vision is concerned. So this helps

654
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: us judge things like how close or far away an

655
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: object is. There are other things that helped to like

656
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: like just just comparing the size of something, like I

657
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: know that that Josh Clark is taller than Lauren. So

658
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: if I look and I see that Lauren appears to

659
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: be taller than Josh, I know that Josh is approximately

660
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: a mile away and Lawrence probably in front of me. Uh,

661
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: that's just that's a science fact. Actually, you make old jokes,

662
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: I make short jokes. Uh. Um and and this is

663
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: also how how a lot of special effects end up

664
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: working by by tricking your brain into into thinking of

665
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: the force perspective. For perspective Lord of the rings in

666
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the Hobbit, Obviously, those are ones that you would think

667
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: about where where because because the video itself is being

668
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: shown to you on a two dimensional well until we

669
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: get to the three D movies and on a two

670
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: dimensional surface, you can trick people by having this force

671
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: perspective thing, but in in an actual world situation, because

672
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: you've got these converging lines of sight on objects, you

673
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: can use what is called parallax. That's the idea of

674
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: these two lines that eventually do converge onto something to

675
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: give you an idea. Yeah, and and that's your focal

676
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: point that gives you an idea of how how close

677
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: or far away something is. The further away an object gets,

678
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: the more parallel these two line have become, so that

679
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: it becomes less of a useful um tool for things

680
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: that are really far away. So if you're talking about

681
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: two buildings that are way off in the distance, you

682
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: might not be able to tell which one is larger

683
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: just based on that alone, without you know, previous knowledge

684
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: of building A is twice the size of building B.

685
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: But if it's closer to you, parallax comes into play.

686
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: So that's the idea, right. Each screen gives a slightly

687
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: different view of whatever it is you're looking at in

688
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: the realm of the virtual environment, which in this case

689
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: are games and uh, and that way, it gives you

690
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: the illusion that it's that you are right there and

691
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: that the world you are in actually has depth. Now,

692
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: there's no eye tracking software here, but there is head

693
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: tracking hardware, right, So it's not it's not keeping track

694
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: of where your eye motions are so you can look around.

695
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: It's not like if you're wearing just goggles. The goggles

696
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: themselves aren't tracking your eyes, but they will move as

697
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, if you as you move the direction of

698
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: your face, same sort of thing. So it's using sensors

699
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: to detect that kind of motion, whether it's pitch, roll yaw, tilt,

700
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. It's detecting all of that

701
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: as as input for changing the way the display appears

702
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: in front of you. This display being an LCD screen

703
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: in a plastic mask. It's it's about an inch away

704
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: from the user's eyes and um and right that that

705
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: that screen is is divided by a small barriers. It's

706
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: a pretty big screen. I think it's like a like

707
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten degrees diagonally. We'll get into that

708
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: in a second. But it uses a few other tricks

709
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: to create realism as well, Like it warps slightly the

710
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: edges of the images and corrects that in the goggles

711
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. So, uh, you know, the digital rendering

712
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying is is warped a little bit at the edges,

713
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: and then the goggles correct for it, which is basically

714
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: how how your eyeballs work because they're curved, right. The

715
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: idea here being that you don't want it to just

716
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: look like you are, yeah, that you're looking at a

717
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: flat world that has depth behind it, but there's nothing

718
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: around you. It also packs the pixels more tightly directly

719
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: in front of your eyeball than around the edges, which, again,

720
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: because our eyeballs are curved, Um, it gives a human

721
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: like roundness to an image. It also helps you know,

722
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: it keeps keeps you motivated to focus directly straight ahead

723
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: with your eyes as opposed to keeping your head still

724
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: and moving your eyes around, because it's it's kind of

725
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: mimicking that sense of when I look ahead, the whatever

726
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm clear whenever I'm looking at his fol is in focus,

727
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: and then everything else is kind of in peripheral vision

728
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: petering out a little bit. Sure, Um, there there are

729
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: a few limitations that are currently being addressed. There's a

730
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: certain screen door effect which in which right now users

731
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: have been finding that they can see through the pixels

732
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: of the LCD screen because they're not there's not enough

733
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: of them. They need more needs higher resolution. Yes, um

734
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and uh, and I think that they're trying to add

735
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: gays tracking, which would be really interesting. That would allow

736
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: you to actually uh dynamically change these elements we talked

737
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: about where you've got those pixels that are uh and

738
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: the that are concentrated right in front of the eyes.

739
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: If you could be able to move that dynamically so

740
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: that the you would have this effect where if I'm

741
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm walking and I'm not turning my head, but I

742
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: dart my eyes to the left, and it is able

743
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: to move in real time with that uh. And we'll

744
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about prediction software in a bit

745
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: that kind of helps with that. Then that could make

746
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: it even more immersive and more and feel closer to

747
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: being natural in fact. And again, while it's hard to

748
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: say that being in a virtual environment is ever kind

749
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: of a natural thing, after that initial adjustment, you do

750
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: start to feel, you start to move within that virtual environment.

751
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: You don't really necessarily think about your real world surroundings

752
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: as much unless you know something changes that that diverts

753
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: your attention, or say that you have a anxious Jack

754
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: Russell terrier who jumps on your lap. That might you know,

755
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: unless that also has happened at the exact same time

756
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: in the video game that could pull your attention away right,

757
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: or let's say that you bang your knee into a

758
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: table because you were walking forward as your character in

759
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: the game walked forward. And by the way, there are

760
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: people who are working on various setups that are not

761
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: meant for consumer use either, but they were interested in

762
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: combining the oculus rift with other things so that you

763
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: would have even more immersive control in various games. Like

764
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: there was the group that did the virtual paper Boy

765
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: where they had it hooked up to a resistance bike

766
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: training bike, where they by peddling the bike, they would

767
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: propel the video game character forward. They had a first

768
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: person perspective as if they were playing paper Boy, but

769
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: from the paper boys point of view, and then they

770
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: had a connect sensor protecting their arm motions to be

771
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: when you flame newspaper. So what they did was they

772
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: hooked up the Oculus Rift to a an exercise bike

773
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: resistance training bike, and by peddling the resistance training bike,

774
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: they propelled the virtual character forward. And then they had

775
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: a connect sensor that would tech arm motions so that

776
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: when you throw the papers, yeah, that would be the

777
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: control that would be the indicator for the game. To

778
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: throw the papers, and you're seeing it all from the

779
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: paper boys perspective as opposed to that side view that

780
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: you had in the original arcade game. So that's just

781
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: one example. There are other people who have kind of

782
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: developed the multidirectional treadmills so that you could walk on

783
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: the treadmill and this would propel you forward within a

784
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: virtual environment. So there's a lot of already, you know,

785
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: a lot of talk already about incorporating the oculus rift

786
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: into other types of setups of this nature. Now, granted,

787
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: that goes beyond what the average video game player would experience. Sure,

788
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: so we don't recommend you get up on your feet

789
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: and walk around while you're wearing one of these things,

790
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: because you're not going to see your actual environment. You're

791
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: seeing a virtual environment. I I've heard a few a few, um,

792
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, not sob stories, but but just stories of

793
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: of of like caution, you can totally knock over wine

794
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: glasses while you are flailing about with this thing. Kind

795
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: of similar to the to the warnings you would hear

796
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: from the original we Remote. People were flinging them into

797
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: their television sets and you would see a picture of

798
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: a WEE remote emerged from an old TV set and

799
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: you think mistake. Yeah, wrist strap so um. But interestingly enough,

800
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: you can still use the oculus rift even if you

801
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: have poor or no vision in one eye. Um. Yeah,

802
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the screen will still work. Sure, Sure you won't again,

803
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: you won't get the stereoscopic three dimensional effect. Um. But

804
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: Richard Eisenbey's writing for Kotaku recently described what it's like

805
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: playing with a single eye because he had a bad

806
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: lazic surgery experience. But um, yeah, the doctor's expectful recovery. Um.

807
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: But he said that the three D effect was slightly

808
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: flattened and that his depth perception was off like you

809
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: do when you only have one eye working. Um, And

810
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: that motion blur was increased, but that it was still

811
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: very immersive and actually didn't cause any queaziness. Right. And

812
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: one of the big causes of queaziness is this idea

813
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: of latency, which I mentioned latency if if the name

814
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: kind of gives it away, what latency is is it's

815
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: a delay between when you take an action and when

816
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: that action is displayed to you. Now, in the case

817
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: of head tracking software, that would mean that if I

818
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: turned my head to the right, the display would reflect

819
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: that turn on the screen. But if there's a delay

820
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: between when I turned my head and when it happens

821
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: on the screen, my brain thinks, woe, something is messed

822
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: up you, right, because it's it's actually better than instantaneous

823
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: when you're seeing it in in real life because your

824
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: your your your brain is filling in information that it

825
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: doesn't already have yet. Um, it's there's some predictive stuff

826
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: going on in your brain already, it's and it's handling

827
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of input from a lot of different sources,

828
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: everything from your inner ear to what's coming into your eyes,

829
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: to what you're you're sensing, like by touch. So all

830
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: of these things go into telling your brain what is

831
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: going on around you. And when those things don't match up,

832
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: your brain is like, something's not good. Let's trigger the

833
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: stomach to empty all of its contents as rapidly as possible.

834
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: Or at least that seems to be the case. It

835
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: seems like a bad reflex. But but if you've ever been,

836
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: say on a boat, and you have that sensation of

837
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, the ground you are on is moving, but

838
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: because you're moving with the ground, your vision isn't reflecting that. Right,

839
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: You're not, especially if you're on the inside of a

840
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: boat and you can't see the outside at all. Your

841
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: brain is just saying, this is weird because everything it

842
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: looks still from my perspective, but I'm feeling like you're

843
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: moving all over the place. Let's turn on the vacate

844
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: the stomach flip switch and see maybe maybe that will

845
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: make it better, right, somehow that will fix things. I

846
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: don't understand the physiological part of this, but this is

847
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: what seems to happen. So while we're shows, yeah, stuff

848
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: to blow your mind, listen to it. It's awesome. But yeah,

849
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: the this idea of the mismatched data that comes into you,

850
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: it often ends up making you feel a dizzy, nauseous,

851
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's or nauseated I should say, I mean

852
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: you might be nauseous as well, but nauseated, um, then

853
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: you you you know, it's it's unpleasant. And so latency

854
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: is a big, big contributor to that. So getting latency

855
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: down where there is as little delay as possible is

856
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: a goal. Now. Oculus says that they developed UH reduced

857
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: latency technology that got it down to two milliseconds to

858
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: send the information from the headset to the software Now

859
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: that's a one way trip there. Remember there's a round

860
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: trip that we have to take into account here. It's

861
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: not just the trip to the software. The software has

862
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: to crunch the numbers from whatever data it's receiving and

863
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: send back the appropriate response to the screen. So it

864
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: takes longer than two milliseconds for all that to happen. Now,

865
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: and humans can detect the latency of around fifty milliseconds,

866
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe even fewer than fifty milliseconds, that's no time at all.

867
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking a fraction of a second. Now.

868
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: According to Steve Lavelle, using the rift and playing a

869
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: game at sixty frames per second, latency is right around

870
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: thirty to fifty milliseconds, so just right below or at

871
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: that threshold. So um, that includes the time it takes

872
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: with the sensors to pick up the motion, send that

873
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: motion out the port, go into the game engine as

874
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: a command, and then come back. Yeah. So I mean

875
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: that's that's the full trip, that's the whole round trip.

876
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: And if it's able to do that reliably at that speed,

877
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: that's good and we you know, I expect that that's

878
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: something that they're going to work on improving to make

879
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: sure that there's as little latency issue there as possible,

880
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: especially as video games start to push that limit of

881
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: sixty frame sixty frames per swond uh. If they are

882
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: pushing to make it even more frames per second, then

883
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: clearly you have to worry about that latency issue because

884
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: that's more data that's going through these ports. Like we said,

885
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: the sensors, the motion sensors detect jaw, pitch, and roll,

886
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: and they use what is called sensor fusion, which is

887
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: not a type of cuisine as I first thought, but

888
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: it's actually a technique to combine all the data that's

889
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: gathered from these various sensors into virtually actual actions within

890
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: the context of the environment you're in, the game you

891
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: are in UM and then Steve Level also wrote an

892
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: incredible blog post that is really really technical if you

893
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: are interested on the software side of this and about

894
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: how to reduce latency to to the minimum levels. I

895
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: highly recommend it because it's it's fascinating, but it's way

896
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: too technical for us to go into here. But this

897
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: is where he was talking about predictive techniques. So prediction

898
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: is exactly what it sounds like. The game engine starts

899
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: to predict what you are going to do based upon

900
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: what you are doing right now, oh wow, and and

901
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: so so it starts to render out what you're going

902
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: to need to see next before you actually need it.

903
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: And and the goal of this is not to give

904
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: you a vision of the future, but rather to remove

905
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: that latency, to make it as as small as possible.

906
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: So if the predictive techniques are good, then it means

907
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: that you have a very smooth experience, very little motion, blur,

908
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: no latency. If it's bad, it means that like if

909
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: you suddenly turn left, but it starts to go right

910
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: because it thought you were going to go right, then

911
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: that's going to just exacerbate the problem. So predictive technology

912
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: has to be really sophisticated for it to do more

913
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: good than harm. His blog post goes into great detail

914
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: about how they are using this to try and create

915
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: a really immersive, comfortable experience with the Oculus Rift, and

916
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: like I said, it's really really great. The Oculus blogs

917
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: in general fantastic read, but they are very technical, so

918
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: read at your own risk. So let's talk about what

919
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: the actual hardware has. So the according to what's in

920
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the developer kit right now, keeping in mind the consumer

921
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: version is going to be different from what is out

922
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: there right now. It will very likely change indeed. Uh

923
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: so um yeah, so so we've got we've got six

924
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: degrees of freedom that yeah for for the head tracking.

925
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: UM that hudd t degree diagonal screen that we were

926
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: talking about, which is UM nine d degrees horizontal ninety

927
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: degrees horizontal field of view. So you know those the

928
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: screens are are Physically they're small, but because of their

929
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: proximity to your eyeballs, they look pretty big. It builds

930
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: your vision. Um. It's a d v I video input

931
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: digital visual interface input. So this was that that input interface,

932
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: by the way, was originally developed by the Display Working Group. Uh.

933
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: That's the kind of interface that allows you to hook

934
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: up a display to a computer. So a lot of

935
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: computer monitors and displays have this. However, it does have

936
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: hd m I adaptation. Yeah, you can get an HDMI

937
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: adapter to convert from d v I to h d

938
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: m I, but you do need to have that adapter.

939
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: Does not have natively does not have an HDMI port

940
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: to hook up, but you can. That's one thing I

941
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: expect the consumer version would have, just because of the

942
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: drive to move to hd M my, especially since a

943
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of video game consoles have that kind of thing.

944
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: I expect that we will see HDM MY native support

945
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: in whatever the consumer version is. They haven't announced that,

946
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: so don't take that as you know, gospel. That's just

947
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: that's just my prediction. Um. Yeah, so you need to

948
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: have either h g MY or d v I video

949
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: out on your computer in order to run this. Yeah,

950
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: if you were like, but my computer only has FireWire,

951
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: it is for PC only right now? Um that they

952
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: are again hoping to roll it out to um consoles

953
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: and mobile platforms. They're also talking, there's buzz anyway that

954
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: they're talking about expanding it to watching movies, serving the web,

955
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: doing programming. Yeah, which in the matrix. Yeah all right,

956
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: lawnmower Man. Uh yeah, we're just shows our own frames

957
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: of reference for virtual environments, doesn't it. You say matrix,

958
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I say, lawnmore Man like, um, so yeah, yeah, I

959
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: wonder if watching movies because again, at that point, you're

960
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: not really even talking about head tracking, right, there's no

961
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: purpose for head tracking if you're watching a film because

962
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: the film is captured from a single point of view.

963
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're presenting only part of a movie. Screen,

964
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: which I can't imagine being a satisfying experience. You're really

965
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: just looking at something really close to your face. Unless

966
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: you eventually get to a point where you are able

967
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: to create a well, especially if if it's a three

968
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: D animated movie, then this would be much easier to do.

969
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: You could you could create a movie where you would

970
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: be able to change your perspective as opposed to relying

971
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: upon the camera to define what the perspective is. Sure,

972
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: or just even even I think you know, if you've

973
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: got one of the digital three D stereoscopic films that

974
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: you just I mean, even without being able to move

975
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: your head around, it would be Yeah, I can see

976
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: that where you're talking about maybe watching movies that were

977
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: designed to be in three D in the first place,

978
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: maybe this would give a superior three D experience. I

979
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: can see that. And also it reduces eyestrain from looking

980
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: at a three D screen because the of the way

981
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: that the way that these goggles work is um You're

982
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: you're actually focusing on your You're relaxing your eyes to

983
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: a to a distant point you're looking You're you're kind

984
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: of looking through the screen, which is the default for

985
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: your eyes looking it's it's any any kind of eyestrain

986
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: that you get. You would think, you know, it's an

987
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: inchway from your eye, that's going to lead to terrible eyestrain.

988
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: But but actually looking at your computer screen foot away

989
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: from you causes a lot more eyestrain than these idea

990
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: being that this is like looking through a window as

991
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: opposed to Yeah, but anyway, interesting, Um So the screen, Yeah,

992
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: it's um currently eighty eight hundred. But that's that's if

993
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: you combine the two screens, right, right, Uh, yeah, it's

994
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: what what what's at six forty? Yeah? Yeah, the up

995
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: six forty by h brye, which is that's close to

996
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: the resolution of seven which is twelve eighty by seven twenty. Okay,

997
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: but but again this is the thing that could change

998
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: for for consumers, right, And also I mean, you know,

999
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: obviously higher resolution means better picture as in general, but

1000
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: there's also something you need to consider that the closer

1001
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: you get to a screen, the less resolution matters. Right,

1002
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: So unless your screen is getting larger and larger and larger.

1003
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: So let's say you've got you stay with a let's

1004
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: say that's your tvous forty inches, right, depending upon how

1005
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: close you sit to that television. Seven and ten ADP

1006
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: might not be that distinguishable. Now if you sit, if

1007
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: you sit further closer and closer to it, then you're

1008
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna notice. If you sit further away, you're those differences

1009
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: fade away into nothing. So if you could have a

1010
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: seven twenty P and a ten ADP set side by side,

1011
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: but if you're fifteen feet back, they look the same,

1012
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: assuming they've both been calibrated for that room and etcetera, etcetera.

1013
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about an eight inch screen, first

1014
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: of all, invite me over because I want to watch

1015
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: movies and play Halo. But then obviously will matter more.

1016
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: You've got more screen space, the resolution is spread out

1017
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: over a greater landscape area, so you've got to how

1018
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: higher resolution or else you will start to notice it

1019
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: at regular viewing distances. Was something that's one inch away

1020
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: from your eye. Uh. While they could probably increase the

1021
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: resolution and it would be maybe noticeable, I don't know

1022
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: that they have to stress it too much, all right,

1023
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: I think it's I think mostly the issue right now

1024
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: is that screen door effect that I was talking about. Um,

1025
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: the headset itself costs costs ways a little bit less

1026
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: than half a pound or a little bit less than

1027
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: a quarter of a kilogram. Nice, so it's not too

1028
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: terribly heavy. Another huge advance over older VR software hardware,

1029
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: anything that you're strapping to your head and nice to

1030
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: have it light. Yes, um, and the dev kits right

1031
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: now cost three hundred bucks of pop, I've heard. I've

1032
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: heard that they're trying to keep it with the final

1033
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: commercial product within the three to five dollar range, which

1034
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you're considering that most consoles cost around

1035
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: that much, makes sense. They don't want it to go

1036
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: higher than the console that it would. Sure, Sure, and

1037
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: it's still a significant improvement over again, the the thousand

1038
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: bucks or so a pop that that current or the

1039
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars if you're talking about the the specifically

1040
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: made for the VR industry, uh equipment that was back

1041
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Yeah. So so it's not like it's

1042
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be inexpensive. It's gonna be an expensive peripheral.

1043
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: Now if you're if you're used to either building or

1044
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: buying high end video game rigs, this is you know,

1045
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: just a small dispense compared to what your ten thousand

1046
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: dollar rig was. Um, so this kit is not just

1047
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: the hardware, there's the software developer Kit too, So this

1048
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: is the software site. And again remember Lucky is not

1049
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: a software guy, he's a hardware guy. Uh. The Software

1050
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Developer Kit contains all the information you would need to

1051
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: be able to develop stuff specifically to display on an

1052
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Oculus Rift and to work with this motion tracking hardware.

1053
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: And that contains all the libraries you need, the headers,

1054
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: the documentation, the samples for integrating the Rift with games,

1055
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: and also includes two different game engines, the Unreal Engine

1056
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: and the Unity Engines, and those are widely available game

1057
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: engines that a lot of companies use as the basis

1058
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: for the physics and uh and number crunching engine of

1059
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: whatever game they're running. So there are currently three titles

1060
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: that are compatible with the Oculus Rift. One of them

1061
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: is Team Fortress two, which is a squad based first

1062
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: person shooter game moves an incredibly frenetic pace. The other

1063
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: one that was originally announced as being compatible was Hawkin,

1064
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: which is a multiplayer mech combat video game by Adhesive Games.

1065
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: The third that they just rolled out, um, I think

1066
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: I think in August, right before we right before we

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Speaker 1: recorded this podcast, was Half Life two Half life too,

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Speaker 1: because I really want I do not at all want

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Speaker 1: actually the experience of having a head crab jump at

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Speaker 1: my face. Don't having it be more realistic? Don't you

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Speaker 1: want the experience of watching a gravity gun work right

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Speaker 1: in front of your face and launching things at high velocity? Also,

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Speaker 1: I mean that gives me hope that the next title

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Speaker 1: will be Portal. Can you imagine Portal first person? Like

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Speaker 1: you are in the world of Portal. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: waiting on because those two, those two universes are connected

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Speaker 1: Aperture science and and and Black Mason, Black Mesa. As

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Speaker 1: we all know from the Jonathan Coulton song, they are connected,

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Speaker 1: completely connected. So come on, guys, let's get our let's

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Speaker 1: get our oculus riff version of Portal. I that sounds

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Speaker 1: that sounds a little bit sickening, but wonderful. I would

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Speaker 1: love it, can you. Yeah? I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: would be like once you start moving at those in

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Speaker 1: insane speeds where you do the vertical portals. I would

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Speaker 1: need to get one of those psychologists to come to

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Speaker 1: my house while I played so that I could turn

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Speaker 1: it into a height therapy related I can. I can

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Speaker 1: imagine that? Yeah, maybe that game wouldn't work out on

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Speaker 1: the long run. I'd be willing to play it until

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Speaker 1: I started. No, no, no, I want that. I want

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Speaker 1: that right now, but I'm terrified. But those are the

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Speaker 1: titles available right now, not Portal, but Half Life to

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Speaker 1: Team Fortress too and Hawken. So we'll see those expand obviously,

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Speaker 1: but even so, like again, just to stress yet again,

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Speaker 1: this is of course the developers side. Once this becomes

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Speaker 1: a consumer product, you I would expect there to be

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Speaker 1: support for at least twenty titles, because if there's not,

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Speaker 1: then you know, it's hard to justify the expense in

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Speaker 1: the mind of the game, or like, I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: pay three dollars on this piece of technology and I

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Speaker 1: can play twenty games on it and that's it or not.

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Speaker 1: If youwer than twenty, that would be if you can

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Speaker 1: only do less than ten than that might be like

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Speaker 1: why would I pay that much money for that thing?

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Speaker 1: Although lots of people, lots of people have, lots of

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Speaker 1: people are excited about it, um there there is no

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Speaker 1: official release date. Yeah. Yeah. The company's stance is it

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Speaker 1: will be ready when it's ready, which is I think

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Speaker 1: the most responsible way to go about it, because otherwise

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Speaker 1: what you'll do is you'll create a deadline that you

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Speaker 1: know something will pop up that you could not have

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Speaker 1: anticipated that will either cause you to miss the deadline,

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Speaker 1: thus inviting the ire of all of the internets, or

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Speaker 1: you will start to sacrifice things in order to make

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Speaker 1: the original deadline, and the product will be less than

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Speaker 1: what it could have been. So I think that taking

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Speaker 1: this approach of we aren't announcing a date, we're getting

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Speaker 1: it as soon as possible, but we want it to

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Speaker 1: be good when it launches, I think that's the right choice,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about hardware, um, because I mean

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Speaker 1: you can't it's it's harder to update that. I mean

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Speaker 1: you can do firmware updates obviously, but but you want

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Speaker 1: in place, Yeah, it's harder. Yeah, um and and yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like like we said, there's no official price yet either. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously they want to they want to keep

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Speaker 1: it affordable, and we might see it being used in well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see it being used in virtual reality

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Speaker 1: h fields beyond gaming it yeah, yeah, you know the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that they're talking about it being useful for,

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Speaker 1: like like surgery training or um or or architecture and design,

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Speaker 1: which is really kind of cool. That's this idea of

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Speaker 1: being able to take a virtual tour of a building

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Speaker 1: that hasn't even gone beyond the blueprint stage. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting. And of course the medical uh techniques that

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Speaker 1: we've talked about already, this exposure technique. UM. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the VR industry still exists, although they call it virtual

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Speaker 1: environments for the most part, it still exists. But they

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Speaker 1: do go to the video game industry all the time

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Speaker 1: for all the equipment. So I expect we'll see that continue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's exciting stuff. I got a chance to play with

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Speaker 1: it in person at E three and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a really interesting experience. Um. I played an independently

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Speaker 1: developed game that was not one of the ones we mentioned.

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Speaker 1: It was something that was specifically kind of a thought

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Speaker 1: experiment for three. Really, I think, yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to have a chance to work with

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Speaker 1: this when there are more titles that I can play.

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Speaker 1: All right, So guys, that wraps up this discussion about

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Speaker 1: the Oculus Rift. If you have any suggestions for technology,

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