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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Hanging out with you

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Speaker 1: here on a Friday, a football Friday, nonetheless, and we

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Speaker 1: are so happy to have you. Dan Byer alongside, he

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Speaker 1: got my Bland, Sam Kinsel alongside. Of course, you have

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Speaker 1: the one and only Jason Stewart alongside. At some point

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into Jason's desire to have some

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Speaker 1: radio shows stop making predictions because they're sure to go wrong.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that. We got a great show for you,

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Speaker 1: including we'll have a discussion on Kirk Signetti and the

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Speaker 1: eleven point eight million dollars per year that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: received from Indiana that was announced yesterday during our show.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot to get to. I want

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Speaker 1: to start with last night's Thursday night football game, if

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Speaker 1: that's okay. I'm not trying to diminish the Dodgers victory

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Speaker 1: over the Brewers, but it just shit, hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: competitive series. But I have something on that for you,

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Speaker 1: and it really does play into my Clayton Kershaw take

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Speaker 1: from last week. You're like recycling takes like no, I like,

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Speaker 1: here's what I like. I like congruent takes, Like congruent takes.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you guys like Danny? Does

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Speaker 1: that make sense? A congruent tape meaning a take in

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Speaker 1: one thing has to fit a take in the other.

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Speaker 1: I it frustrates me when some guys will make one take,

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Speaker 1: you know, like hey, you got to hire an offensive mind,

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Speaker 1: and then two weeks later they're like, why'd you hire

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Speaker 1: coach doesn't about his background. I like congruente if you

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Speaker 1: have a take, and again, you're allowed to change your

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Speaker 1: sometimes we go like, hey, you know, I look at

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Speaker 1: six months later, and I have a different perception of

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Speaker 1: and my take on Clayton Kershaw is much like my

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Speaker 1: take on the Milwaukee Brewers. We'll get to that later

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Speaker 1: in the show, but let's start with this. I have

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Speaker 1: been the most staunched defender of Aaron Rodgers I think

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Speaker 1: that I thought what he did when he when he

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Speaker 1: never took the COVID vaccine and he blatantly lied about it,

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Speaker 1: I crushed him for it. It wasn't because of his stance.

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Speaker 1: It was because he was completely disingenuous about it, and

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Speaker 1: then when he got called then he made it about

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Speaker 1: the media, not about himself, when all you had to

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Speaker 1: say was like, yeah, I lied, my bad, Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: But if we if we pointed out the things about

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, positively and negatively that have been said for years,

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Speaker 1: last night was a perfect example of how so many

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Speaker 1: things that are said about Aaron Rodgers are incredibly accurate,

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Speaker 1: incredibly accurate. He is I think, the most talented guy

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Speaker 1: He is still very athletic for a forty year old quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm okay with and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I don't expect it to be Lamar Jackson, nor was

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Speaker 1: To have that level of accuracy, he's amazing. To have

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Speaker 1: He has it, okay. But all of the theatrics that

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Speaker 1: He does the sideline for Fox Baseball, And he gave

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Speaker 1: but he's still a blamer. His finger still points out

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you what everyone says about him is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But none of the other star quarterbacks seem to have

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Speaker 1: the type of persona that he has, and that's always

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Speaker 1: distinguished him. Last night, he led them on a game

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Speaker 1: leading touchdown drive that should not be under sold. Right.

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Speaker 1: He did not get the ball back. He did not

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Speaker 1: That's not enough time. He did throw a hail mary

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Speaker 1: the best to throw in the hail mary. He still

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Speaker 1: I just I walked away from that game with a

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Speaker 1: That's just hard to love when a teammate lets you down.

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Speaker 1: I walked away last night saying everything we've ever said

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Speaker 1: the most talented guy to ever play the position right

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Speaker 1: when you factor in intelligence, accuracy, arm strength, athleticism, success, Like,

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Speaker 1: he just crazy, crazy talented, but it's not all perfect.

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Speaker 1: And when things don't go his way, he can really

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Speaker 1: really make people feel small, and that's not always your

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Speaker 1: job when you're quarterback. Bayer, you've been the opposite, right

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Speaker 2: All that is actually incorrect. It's two of the extreme.

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Speaker 2: So it's not that I've I'm not a Packers fan,

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Speaker 2: but I can't say I'm anti Packers. And I wasn't

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Speaker 2: But I think I can appreciate his greatness.

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Speaker 1: Oh he is, uh, he is phenomenal. But am I

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Speaker 1: being unfair with my critique of him? And again, I

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Speaker 1: their Aaron Rodgers, right. We don't get to go to

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Speaker 1: the meetings, We aren't in the sideline conversations. So there's

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Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, there's something about Rogers that just

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like hey, or he takes the

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Speaker 1: it's all bad, right, he's if you, if you wrote

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Speaker 1: great quarterback in this or the previous era, he checks

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Speaker 1: every box. But God, the body language, God, some of

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Speaker 2: The throng of the tablet in Carolina, I think is

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Speaker 2: years back when he was a member of the Packers

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Speaker 2: that there's it's funny because I think that this happens

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Speaker 2: to quarterbacks over time. I don't remember Dan Marino younger

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Speaker 2: But boy, at the end of his career, it seemed

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Speaker 2: I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think Rogers should have been tackled. I actually thought

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Speaker 2: it was a dumb play by his lineman.

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Speaker 1: I understand, no question, but there's so it was like

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Speaker 1: There are they letting them to score? This is so weird.

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Speaker 1: It was the Keystone Cops or the Benny Hill Benny

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Speaker 1: he's chumping up in the air and he's doing the

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers hop, which is I mean, listen, it's

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Speaker 1: he's like, my bad, but he still stared right through him.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't the only time. There were other times

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Speaker 1: You're like, dude, and they're depleted, they don't have all

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Speaker 1: But you're going against the Bengals, who are they're crushed

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Speaker 1: by injuries too. I just all the Aaron Rodgers stuff

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Speaker 1: was on display last night. A weird interception where he

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Speaker 2: He's done that before? Did it in a playoff game

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Speaker 2: against stole the forty nine ers. Yeah, that throw is

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Speaker 2: not foreign to Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying everything the full

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers experience. He even had the Hail Mary. Granted

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Speaker 1: it wasn't completed or whatever, but the full Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: experience was on display last night. I also want to

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Speaker 1: In my lifetime, in our lifetime, Dan, in our lifetime,

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Speaker 1: Jason Stewart. There are very few arguments you can make

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Speaker 1: awesome in the regular season. I'm not taking shots of

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Speaker 1: the Brewers. I'm just telling you it's like kind of

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Speaker 1: a virtual all star team. And now when the best

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Speaker 1: of the best get a chance to elevate themselves and

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Speaker 1: every pitch is magnified. Now your true talent comes out,

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Speaker 1: and they just have too much talent. Okay, Dan Buyer

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Speaker 1: pick holes in it.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that I will say to this is

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Speaker 2: I just think in baseball that at some point everything

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Speaker 2: kind of finds its level. What's the theory we say

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Speaker 2: in one hundred and sixty two game season is that

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Speaker 2: everybody wins sixty, right, everybody loses sixty and what you

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Speaker 2: do with the other forty games? That's the season. And

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Speaker 2: the Brewers have not been able to hit. But I

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Speaker 2: also think that at some point the Dodgers were going

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Speaker 2: to beat the Brewers, something the Dodgers didn't do in

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Speaker 2: the regular season. And so if Milwaukee's not hitting, Dodgers

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Speaker 2: are obviously going to have an edge. And at some

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Speaker 2: point point, guess what, the Dodgers were gonna beat the Brewers,

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Speaker 2: and this happened to beat them three straight times. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee swept the Dodgers this past regular season. Were they

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Speaker 2: gonna just sweep through them in the playoffs because of that?

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Speaker 2: Probably not Chase two?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: that your theory isn't interesting. I'm saying that you're trying

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Speaker 5: to put some kind of a rational theory on something

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Speaker 5: that just makes no sense. In the fifty years I've

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Speaker 5: been watching this game to try to make sense of

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Speaker 5: a team that has been top three and hits runs

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Speaker 5: OBP during the season to go completely dark during a

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Speaker 5: three game series against the team that they went six

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Speaker 5: to zero against during the season. It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: That's my bottom mine take. This whole thing doesn't make

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Speaker 5: any sense.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm let me, let me help make it

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Speaker 1: make sense to you. Okay, and again I'm okay. This

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Speaker 1: is I did this with my son yesterday, like we

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Speaker 1: were doing. We do this sometimes at dinner. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I got a hot take, Dad, so and then he

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Speaker 1: allows me to pick holes in it, you know, to

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Speaker 1: present the counter argument. So the the series against the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers in the regular season for the Brewers is unbelievably

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Speaker 1: important to Brewers fans, to the Brewers players, to Breweries

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Speaker 1: front office. The series of the Brewers to the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: in the regular season means nothing or very very little,

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Speaker 1: despite the record. If you could call it arrogance, you

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Speaker 1: can call it whatever you want. Okay, Now everything matters

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Speaker 1: every pitch is you know, we're really really bowing up,

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Speaker 1: really and we see this in a lot of sports

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Speaker 1: where you get to the playoffs and you're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: how they win the regular season. It's it's the it's

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Speaker 1: the give a rip only let's we'll just use the rip.

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Speaker 1: It's the giver a rip factor. The Dodger can be

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Speaker 1: a little arrogant in the regular season because they're gonna

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs now when they really care, now, when

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Speaker 1: they're really on point. And again, like the point was

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Speaker 1: the first two games Mookie didn't hit and show Hey

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Speaker 1: didn't hit and they're still up two games to done.

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Speaker 1: Like the Dodgers are gonna throw show Hay as their

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Speaker 1: fourth starter. That ain't even fair, that's not even right.

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Speaker 1: What so again, that's that's that's my That that's that's

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Speaker 1: my that's that's my belief is you have competitive greatness.

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Speaker 1: Competitive greatness is can you be great when greatness is

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Speaker 1: called upon. This is not to diminish the Brewers. They're

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable team. I just think they're outclassed. I think

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers are slightly better.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Sammy, well this is the you know, the

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Speaker 6: farthest the bre Brewers have gotten in a while, right,

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Speaker 6: d him Like they they made it to.

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Speaker 2: The seven years they took the Dodgers to the they

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Speaker 2: went seven games in twenty eighteen in the NCAS.

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Speaker 6: So there's what I mean, a couple of guys on

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Speaker 6: the team that were there, but mostly new faces. I

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Speaker 6: just think that the Dodgers have been there, done that,

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Speaker 6: and they've just handled this playoff experience better. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, that's all I can say. I'm a

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Speaker 6: little disappointed just for the casual I told this you

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Speaker 6: guys in a text less and I'm a little disappointed

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Speaker 6: for the casual baseball fan out there for the team

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Speaker 6: that had the best record in Major League Baseball to

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Speaker 6: be down zero to three. It's just it's very underwhelming,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's disappointing.

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Speaker 1: But utterly predictable. Utterly predictable. I don't think they're choking.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Dodgers are better. I just think

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers better. I just think it's really that simple,

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Speaker 1: I really do. And I think, you know, momentum and

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Speaker 1: having a great record and playing frankly against the division

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Speaker 1: that's not as good, like can we can admit that right, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think like like the Brewers, like

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Speaker 2: you match them up man for man for the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: and the Dodgers are going to win. Yes, but yes,

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Speaker 2: but like Max Munsey has just been great this season

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Speaker 2: or this series. Played defensively yesterday he gets the bad

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Speaker 2: luck on the on the home run, But there isn't

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Speaker 2: a reason that Christian Yelich shouldn't outperform Max Munsey. And

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Speaker 2: Yelich yesterday got his first hit since Game three of

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Speaker 2: their series against the Cubs. So like in that theory,

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Speaker 2: the Brewers should have someone to be able to at

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Speaker 2: least step up because Shoheo Tani hasn't been great for

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers. Yesterday, you know, has the leadoff triple and

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Speaker 2: then scores right away against Bets. But I'd say as

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Speaker 2: a whole that Otani has been extremely underwhelming, and so

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Speaker 2: for the maximun Sis and the paz is that the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers have. The Brewers have similar guys that just haven't

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Speaker 2: done anything at at the plate. But I think that's

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Speaker 2: the frustrating thing about it. It hasn't been that the

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Speaker 2: Brewers have been beaten by the hitting star of the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Now the pitching stars differently, you know. But the Brewer's

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Speaker 2: strength was pitching when they were the hottest team in

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Speaker 2: baseball in the middle of the season.

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Speaker 1: No, I get it. But the pitching in the regular

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Speaker 1: season and pitching in the postseason, that's where the Kershaw

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Speaker 1: parallel is, right, Like, you can get away with stuff

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, you just can't get away with

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Speaker 1: mistakes in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: You just can't Abnebe. Throwing the ball on a pickoff

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Speaker 2: play yesterday was a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's that's the other thing is they've also

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Speaker 1: won on great defense, and their defense is broken down

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Speaker 1: a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit and not making stupid throws to first base that

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Speaker 2: cost you a run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's here's Mookie Betts channeling his inner Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 1: when he was asked about the comfortable Seriously, honestly, I

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Speaker 1: have zero emotions. I mean, we're up, but you know,

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Speaker 1: like Kobe said, the job's not done, so we got

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Speaker 1: to keep going and just keep a fine pressure.

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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday

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Speaker 1: during the show. Yesterday during the show, we had breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this

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Speaker 1: show's I was texting the guys last night. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just part of it because our show. I just

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Speaker 1: think we do a really good job. Guys. I don't

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Speaker 1: think other people cover baseball as well as we do,

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Speaker 1: or other stories or breaking news that the conversations we have.

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Speaker 1: I really like where we're going with things, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll put the brakes on and Dan Buyer breaking with

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Speaker 1: breaking news. We have breaking news at Kirksinetti, who's the

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Speaker 1: head coach of Indiana, got an incredible deal, an extension

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Speaker 1: where it's going to pay him eleven point eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars on average per year. I'll tell you why it

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Speaker 1: actually makes sense, even though he's massively, massively overpaid. They're

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Speaker 1: all overpaid, right, like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'll make it make sense to you upcoming a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I want to get to Mark Dominick, who's the

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Speaker 1: former genial manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's spending his

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Speaker 1: entire professional career in the National Football League, and he

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Speaker 1: joins US now first weekly visit here on a Friday

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Speaker 1: in the Doug Otlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, what's

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Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals

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Speaker 1: beat the Steelers at home?

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Speaker 7: My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and

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Speaker 7: the division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined

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Speaker 7: the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think

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Speaker 7: the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying

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Speaker 7: to get their own picks in their situation together, you

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Speaker 7: just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly

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Speaker 7: now the Bengals have a chance to be back in

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Speaker 7: this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.

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Speaker 7: It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,

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Speaker 7: the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the Bengals in a second,

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Speaker 1: because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,

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Speaker 1: but I kind of think it's unfair with how much

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Speaker 1: money they've handed out to players. But let's go with

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Speaker 1: the Browns my life. When they traded him, I think

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Speaker 1: you'll love this. Mark is for any other team, it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the

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Speaker 1: Browns have done. There was no reason for them to

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Speaker 1: give Deshaun Watson a five year, no cut guaranteed contract.

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Speaker 1: There was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: two rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these things except they're the Browns. If

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Speaker 1: not for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to say other organizations were run well because

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Speaker 1: that one seems to be run poorly. But this is

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Speaker 1: like Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,

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Speaker 1: I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. They they made the division way

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Speaker 1: more competitive than it needed to be by taking it

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Speaker 1: wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the Bengals

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Speaker 1: who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you got

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Speaker 1: one that's won a Super Bowl and still pretty pretty solid.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, especially what we saw last night. And I agree,

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Speaker 7: it's just to Cleveland Browns continuing to make blunder after blunder,

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Speaker 7: and it's it's easy to pile on, right. We can

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Speaker 7: all sit there and you know, I made mistakes too

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Speaker 7: when I was a general manager. But the reality is

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Speaker 7: got to learn from them, and it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 7: the Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from mistakes they've made,

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Speaker 7: and then they continue to spin it out of control.

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Speaker 7: And it just when Joe Flacco goes to another organization

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Speaker 7: and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is a

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Speaker 7: good defense, not as to the same level as maybe

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Speaker 7: some of the other previous Dealers defenses, obviously we know,

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Speaker 7: but he goes and lights it up, it shows you

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Speaker 7: that there's something really wrong. And it's not the offensive

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Speaker 7: line in Cleveland. That's actually probably their strengths specifically inside.

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Speaker 7: So I just think that it just speaks badly about

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Speaker 7: the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns sit today

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Speaker 7: and just the decisions they've made. And you've got to

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Speaker 7: give credit to the Bengals and taken advantage of the

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Speaker 7: situation and not being afraid to pick up the call

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Speaker 7: and make this trade.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ever used to read the

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Speaker 1: Sporting News? Remember those Sporting News three. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: the fly? The little column that the Fly and the

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Speaker 1: Fly used to have the line that says, didn't you

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Speaker 1: used to be right? And it was when you were

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Speaker 1: no longer what you know? It's like you watched the

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Speaker 1: Bengals last night and they're they're performing well despite the

641
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Speaker 1: and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think they could protect.

642
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Speaker 1: Didn't you used to be the Sincena Begls? I would say,

643
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Speaker 1: didn't she used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? He had

644
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Speaker 1: all day to throw. They couldn't stop the run. It's

645
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Speaker 1: not like the Bengals have some vaunted rushing game. Couldn't

646
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Speaker 1: stop the run and couldn't stop the pass. Didn't she

647
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Speaker 1: used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? What happened to their defense?

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Speaker 7: I think it's the secondary. It's something that's home that

649
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Speaker 7: I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can

650
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Speaker 7: never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be

651
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Speaker 7: consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make

652
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Speaker 7: some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but

653
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Speaker 7: still I think it's just that secondary continues to try

654
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Speaker 7: to find itself, and I think when they traded away

655
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Speaker 7: Mike A Fitspatrick Again, I think that hurt them. But

656
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Speaker 7: at the same point, this has been a problem they've

657
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Speaker 7: been dealing with for years. And yeah, they used to

658
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Speaker 7: be the Steelers. I just thought their upfront would be

659
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Speaker 7: stronger than it was or it was last night. That's

660
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Speaker 7: the one thing I was surprising to me is I

661
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Speaker 7: thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,

662
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Speaker 7: more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it. So yeah,

663
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Speaker 7: I agree, the Steelers are just always good and that's

664
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Speaker 7: a frustrating thing, even though you would take it if

665
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Speaker 7: you were the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.

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Speaker 1: That's Mark Dominic, He's he's our guest. Okay, what do

668
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Speaker 1: you do when you're the Jets and you got a

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Speaker 1: first year quarter first year head coach, and you know,

670
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Speaker 1: you start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like,

671
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Speaker 1: it might actually make sense when you look at how

672
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Speaker 1: he's handling things. It's not going well in New York.

673
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway.

675
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Speaker 1: But it's not about winning or losing with Justin Fields.

676
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Speaker 1: It's about It's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.

677
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Speaker 1: He's not Dan Campbell, and he just is missing. What

678
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Speaker 1: do you do if you're the Jets, Well, I.

679
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Speaker 7: Mean, I think you're just worried. I think if I'm

680
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Speaker 7: coach Bla or if I'm the gentlemanager there, I'm telling

681
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Speaker 7: coach going, Look, we realize the season going to be harsh.

682
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Speaker 7: I understand you've got to create your culture and continue

683
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Speaker 7: to stay by it no matter what. So as we

684
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 7: get more and more young guys into the building, they're

685
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Speaker 7: understanding the expectations of what we're trying to build here,

686
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Speaker 7: understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going to be that year.

687
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Speaker 7: And I know that you want to win right away.

688
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Speaker 7: But I would give him the confidence say hey, look

689
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Speaker 7: we're going to go through this together. We're going to

690
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Speaker 7: make this work, and not scare him out of like

691
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 7: not being who he wants to be and just worried

692
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Speaker 7: about the next victory. Because I do think with the Jets,

693
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Speaker 7: they're going to be in a position to take a quarterback,

694
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Speaker 7: and I think they will this is off season, and

695
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Speaker 7: I think that's going to be a big meat move

696
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Speaker 7: for them. Because I still think Aaron Glenn as a

697
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Speaker 7: leader is a good one, and I just know that

698
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Speaker 7: the Jets just as a roster is not a good one.

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Speaker 1: What has Drake made done to evolve the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks.

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Speaker 7: I think he made great decisions right with the football.

702
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Speaker 7: I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go

703
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Speaker 7: very well for Drake may. I think he's doing a

704
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Speaker 7: great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed

705
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Speaker 7: to go with the ball and getting out of his

706
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Speaker 7: hands as quickly as you can to not there and

707
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Speaker 7: then force their turnover. And so I think that's the

708
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Speaker 7: thing with Drake Madison. The most impressive is that I

709
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Speaker 7: think his processing has really sped up and that's created

710
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Speaker 7: a guy that's you know again, here's a guy that's outperforming.

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Speaker 7: I think the talent around him, which is a great

712
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Speaker 7: deal for a quarterback and should make for a very

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Speaker 7: fun offseason for the New England Patriots to continue to

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Speaker 7: add weapons for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was I was thinking the other day,

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Speaker 1: I was interesting to think about you and some of

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Speaker 1: our discussions. Smart Domini's our guest, he's joined us for years,

718
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Speaker 1: is awesome. Former gentlem Managery Tampay Buccaneers, and sometimes we

719
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: get off on roads and anybody can look at Darnold

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Speaker 1: and Baker and go like they were both on the

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Speaker 1: same team with the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers wanted

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Speaker 1: to keep in neither of them. How has this happened?

723
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Speaker 1: But how has this happened? And you know, to me

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Speaker 1: so much of it's about confidence. You know, both of

725
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Speaker 1: those guys at their first spot, everybody lost confidence to them.

726
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Speaker 1: They lost confidence in themselves, didn't have a great surrounding

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Speaker 1: cast or whatever. As a guy who's been through it, now,

728
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Speaker 1: Arnold looks like he's he's a legit. I don't know,

729
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Speaker 1: top fifteen quarterback right Probably not what he's build coming

730
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Speaker 1: out of SC but solid. Nobody's calling in to question

731
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Speaker 1: the contract he got. Right now, Baker is in conversation

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Speaker 1: to be MVP of the league, and I get that.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of it was him and playing hurt

734
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Speaker 1: and you know, the dysfunctional Browns organization and OBJ and

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Speaker 1: that's why he's not there anymore. But Carolina had him both.

736
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Speaker 1: How does this happen? How do you go from two

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Speaker 1: guys get cut become two stars in the same position

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Speaker 1: in the same league. A couple years later.

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Speaker 7: Well, I truly think because both those guys all come

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Speaker 7: from McVeigh shann trees at part of their career in

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Speaker 7: terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's the

742
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Speaker 7: difference because those those systems help the quarterback learn how

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Speaker 7: to move. Why are we doing the play, why are

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Speaker 7: we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design, here's

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Speaker 7: what we're going to check to. They're just want I mean,

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Speaker 7: we see guys in and out coming out of those

747
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Speaker 7: systems being reductive, and they both had time to be

748
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Speaker 7: in that system. The problem with Carolina is they're still

749
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Speaker 7: just trying to figure out, you know obviously with the

750
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Speaker 7: number one pick and what happened there, but it's a

751
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Speaker 7: different type of system they've been going through. And I

752
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Speaker 7: if I've got a young if I was an agent,

753
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Speaker 7: or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation

754
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Speaker 7: Football League, if there's any way I could spend a

755
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Speaker 7: year or two, even if it's a number three in

756
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Speaker 7: San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there

757
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Speaker 7: or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset

758
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Speaker 7: to his organization as well. I just think it's the

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Speaker 7: right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's it's not been what I expected

761
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Speaker 7: it to be, But I still think there's a lot

762
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Speaker 7: of upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.

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Speaker 7: But I think that's the reason why I think Baker

764
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Speaker 7: Mayfield they regained their confidence in the system. That went

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Speaker 7: back to why were they such high picks in the

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Speaker 7: first place?

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Speaker 1: Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what what are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: so far?

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Speaker 7: I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 7: he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really

771
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Speaker 7: thought we'd see a guy that would take a big

772
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Speaker 7: step this year, you know, and you got to remind

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Speaker 7: yourself that really this is his rookie, see because of

774
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Speaker 7: what happened last year. But I want to feel like

775
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 7: each week we need to start building. If we continue

776
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 7: his flat line, that's a very big concern because I

777
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 7: know mentally he can handle it, and no characteristically he

778
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 7: can lead. So now it's just can he processing Can

779
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Speaker 7: he make the good decisions? He's not been doing that,

780
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Speaker 7: and so now we've just got to wait to see.

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Speaker 7: I still believe, so I'm not going to write J.

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Speaker 7: J mcrossey out by any chance. If I'm a Vikings fan, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm a little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because

784
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Speaker 7: you've got to realize he's got six games, five games

785
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Speaker 7: under his belt and his NFL career. That's not enough

786
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Speaker 7: to go on yet.

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Speaker 1: Mark Domink's our guest here on the Doug Gatlig Show

788
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. What's changed with the Knstate Chiefs

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Speaker 1: that's allowed them to semily turn around their season.

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Speaker 7: Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think

791
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 7: their cornerbacks are playing well, like Jalen Watson's a guy

792
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 7: that's in his fourth year that has really come back

793
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 7: this year and played well like he is in a

794
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 7: contract year, which he is. I think that's been a

795
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Speaker 7: big part of it, just that having him out there

796
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 7: in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And

797
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 7: then offensively to keep getting little pieces back offensively that

798
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 7: they need to have in terms of weapons, and I

799
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Speaker 7: think that that's been important. And I think the tackles

800
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Speaker 7: have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well,

801
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Speaker 7: but the tackles have played a little better and they've

802
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Speaker 7: been trying to help them out a little bit more so.

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Speaker 7: I think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick,

804
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 7: and then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from

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Speaker 7: you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever

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Speaker 7: it was. He's just he's threatened the ball. And it's

807
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 7: not because of Travis Kelcey. It's it's because he's you know,

808
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 7: spreading the ball all around to everybody. And I think

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Speaker 7: that's the big difference.

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Speaker 1: Mark Eagles Eagles. It just seems combustible. They don't seem

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Speaker 1: as good as they were. Aj Brown, you know two

812
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: games ago, they tried to force it to him. His

813
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Speaker 1: attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have some limitations.

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Speaker 1: You know, he does everything except for really throw the

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Speaker 1: football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the likelihood that

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Speaker 1: they turn this thing around.

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Speaker 7: I think they can turn it around. I think the

818
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 7: offensive line playing very well. I think they just need

819
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 7: to feed the ball to saque even more than they

820
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Speaker 7: are and whether that's in the passing game and short throws,

821
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Speaker 7: but it's time to just pound it with Saquon and

822
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Speaker 7: see what a game looks like with twenty six carries

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Speaker 7: and six catches. And I know that's a lot to

824
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Speaker 7: ask for any running back, but I think that's they

825
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 7: got to get back to the grassroots of why they

826
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Speaker 7: got to the Super Bowl and won it last year,

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Speaker 7: and that was on the back of Saquon Barkley. It

828
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Speaker 7: wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over the field. And

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Speaker 7: the other part is that they're just not getting to

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Speaker 7: the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure. They've got

831
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Speaker 7: to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy, and

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Speaker 7: if they can get to that point, those two pieces,

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Speaker 7: to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the

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Speaker 7: keys of them getting back on track.

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Speaker 1: Mark, Look, it should be a great football weekend. Love

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Speaker 1: talking ball with you, especially after last night. I got

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Speaker 1: me jacked. I did not expect that to be a

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Speaker 1: good game, and then it was. It was a fun,

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Speaker 1: great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,

840
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Speaker 1: but still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 1: He's the best