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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest.

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Speaker 2: I feel like every single time we talk about the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals, all we talk about is why Oklahoma City's

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Speaker 2: gonna run away with it? And then all Indiana does

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Speaker 2: is find a way to make it a series. And

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Speaker 2: now after one game, suddenly the sky is falling.

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Speaker 1: Did I miss something?

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Speaker 2: We are sitting in the middle of an epic final

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Speaker 2: between two teams that look wildly evenly matched. We're at

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Speaker 2: two games each, and people are trying to tell me

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Speaker 2: it's over. I'm not buying any of that. It is

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Speaker 2: just getting started. Is a Fox Sports Saturday. He's Buck Rising.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Fitz's Bucking Fits doing a takeover coming at

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Speaker 2: you live from the Fox Sports Radio studio, and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be a.

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Speaker 1: Beacon of Lake. I'm gonna be a beacon of hope.

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Speaker 1: I Am going to be the pastor, the pastor of

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Speaker 1: all things hopeful for one Buck Rising, because Buck, sitting

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Speaker 1: across from me is wearing a sad boy radio hat

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Speaker 1: ind a fan not feeling good about it.

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Speaker 2: Buck needs a hugging. I'm here to give you one,

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Speaker 2: because Buck, this is the thing that bothers me.

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Speaker 3: Everybody keeps telling me, well, now that Oklahoma City won

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Speaker 3: this game, oh, it's gotta be over. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: can't go in and win. Two out of the next

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Speaker 3: three are gonna be in Oklahoma City?

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Speaker 1: Did I miss something? Indiana already won a game in

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. What the hell are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: This series at this point should be officially called unpredictable.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Everybody telling you they think they know what's gonna play

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Speaker 2: out in the in the next three games is basing

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Speaker 2: that on everything that got us to the opinions we

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Speaker 2: had before Game one, which was this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a slaughter.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been that at any stretch.

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Speaker 2: So I don't understand why the world is just grasping

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Speaker 4: A couple of things.

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Speaker 5: If you try to hug me, we can fighty.

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Speaker 1: You got no street credit that if you beat me

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Speaker 1: in a fight, no street credit.

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Speaker 4: Now I don't care.

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Speaker 5: I just understand trust and no hear the seriousness in

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Speaker 5: my voice. If you try to hug me to console

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Speaker 5: me after my basketball team last night lost in terrible fashion.

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Speaker 4: Because I love mathin and.

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Speaker 5: Thirty points off the bench is wonderful, and I can't

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Speaker 5: celebrate him for one thing and then rip him for

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Speaker 5: missing free throws at the end of the game that

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Speaker 5: was infinitely winnable last night.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna do it anyway.

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Speaker 5: Understand and know that I am going to mourn this

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Speaker 5: basketball team losing, even though the series is tied to

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Speaker 5: too Fitzy, if you'd have told me to to two

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Speaker 5: going back to OKC, I'd.

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Speaker 4: Have been thrilled. I would have been a post coital.

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Speaker 5: I'd need to smoke a cigarette and celebration after the fact.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely in any other circumstance except the way that they

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Speaker 5: lost that basketball game last night. It's just disheartening to

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Speaker 5: lose it at the end. I give yourself every opportunity

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Speaker 5: and then to squander set opportunities in infinitely correctible moments

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Speaker 5: free throws is such a terrible way to lose a

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Speaker 5: basketball game, and it drives me insane. I do feel

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Speaker 5: good about the Indiana Pacers. I feel like most people

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Speaker 5: who are watching this series and not just trafficking in

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Speaker 5: the narratives that OKAC was coming in with and understanding

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Speaker 5: that this would listen. If the Pacers end up winning

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Speaker 5: the series and winning this NBA Finals. It's gonna be

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest upset upsets in NBA history, especially

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Speaker 5: when you looked at how overwhelming the money was on

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Speaker 5: start of the Finals when the matchup was set. I

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Speaker 5: reserve the right to more in my basketball team today.

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Speaker 5: You don't get to make me feel good. If I

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Speaker 1: Okay, look a couple of things here.

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Speaker 2: Number one, if anybody walks up to you right now

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Speaker 2: bugs bunny for a duel. Because every single time, oh Man,

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is a big favorite. After Game one, all right,

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Speaker 2: and then Indiana windsay game well, according to Vegas, Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: Now we get to another win in the series, so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. Vegas tells us, Oh, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I get the Vegas things.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is better than Indiana, But have we actually seen.

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Speaker 1: That throughout the course of this series. I keep hearing.

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Speaker 2: Smart minds saying, well, I'm just waiting for Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe it's time for us to take the

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Speaker 2: opposite approach. Maybe it's time to admit that Indiana is

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Speaker 1: And to your point, while this series sits at two, too.

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Speaker 2: This was in, as you just said, incredibly winnable game

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Speaker 2: right Like, I was watching that game with about five

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Speaker 2: this whole series in five at this point like this

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe what we're seeing now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously a herculean effort by Shay Gilgess, Alexander should not

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Speaker 1: Do you just hate? I hate?

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Speaker 4: I hate all of it.

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm very jealous that they have a player like that.

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Speaker 5: That's really that's the only discernible way that Oklahoma City

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Speaker 5: go ahead. I don't they do have the best Off

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Speaker 5: my chest, it's been roiling in my body for about

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Speaker 2: Well, and last night, look, refs make good calls, refs

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Speaker 1: Like the number of times like the foul late in

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Speaker 2: A couple of times that I felt like they were

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Speaker 1: And just throwing them off the court, and there were

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Speaker 1: And if you're telling me that we.

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Speaker 2: Have a series tied to two to two and now

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Speaker 2: we've had what two or three of those games that

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Speaker 1: Three of those games could have gone either way. I

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Speaker 2: Proclamation of dominance towards one team over the other when

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Speaker 1: Be anybody's guests on who's gonna win?

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Speaker 2: And I just think like, we got to stop playing

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Speaker 1: That was a dig. We got to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Attention to what we see in this series and not

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Speaker 2: the things I say all the time about our job.

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Speaker 2: When you host radio or you talk about sports for

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Speaker 2: That means sometimes the information has changed so much that

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Speaker 1: You have to be willing to let your opinions evolve.

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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, See was a better team, a much

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Speaker 2: it would be the matchup nightmare it has been. But

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Speaker 2: what have we seen over the course of this series

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Speaker 2: every one of these games but one, it has come

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Speaker 5: It turns out they just need to be down twenty

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Speaker 4: These games comfortably. Here's the problem with this.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to be able to do this analysis

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Speaker 5: as an objective observer. I've got I've got too much fitcy.

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Speaker 5: The only thing in my life that I care about

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Speaker 5: still as a fan, the only thing that still touches

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Speaker 5: my cold black sports heart is Indiana basketball, the Fever,

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Speaker 5: the Pacers, and the Indiana Hoosiers, who are the worst

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Speaker 5: But I guess when it comes down to all the

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Speaker 5: the way, is it a dig if you get I don't.

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Speaker 5: it is a dig when you're taking shots of people

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Speaker 5: about watching Sarah Solitaire or playing Solitaire during the address

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Speaker 5: My my issue with the way that this game is

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Speaker 5: you're just looking, at least in my view of the coverage,

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Speaker 5: they're they're they're looking for reasons to talk about Oklahoma

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Speaker 5: is not new to sports coverage. It's it's typically the case,

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Speaker 5: and there are you know, quantifiable metrics to show us

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Speaker 5: despite it being excellent, excellent basketball. I'm just I'm as

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Speaker 5: a basketball fan, I'm in love with watching these two teams.

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Speaker 5: As an Indiana Pacers fan, I'm in hell because every

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Speaker 5: every turn, I can't help but feel, even though I

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Speaker 5: know I'm wrong in a couple of these situations, that

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Speaker 5: the coverage is biased against my team and it makes

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Speaker 4: I can't I can't watch it.

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Speaker 5: I had I lost my mind I made a public

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Speaker 5: scene in a bar in downtown Nashville last night in Germantown.

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Speaker 4: I apologize to everybody who.

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Speaker 5: Was in the vicinity of me as I was drinking

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Speaker 5: a gallon of tequila soda, watching my basketball team lose

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Speaker 5: on free throws, and then ripping heaters after the fact,

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Speaker 5: because it made me today.

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Speaker 4: I an mad. I just I can't control this part

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Speaker 4: of me, and.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that I'm going to be able to

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Speaker 1: This is amazing. He's buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 2: By the way, For the best pregame show every weekend,

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of example that you're talking about, And

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Speaker 2: for years that are deep dives. NBA fans go there.

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Speaker 2: Championships are not for diehards. Championships are for casuals. So

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Speaker 2: in this moment, casuals need some sort of a reason

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Speaker 2: to fall in love with these teams, and I just

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Speaker 2: don't think that ESPN or TNT, frankly, throughout their course

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Speaker 2: of the coverage, did a good job at all of

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Speaker 2: making casual fans fall in love with either of these teams.

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Speaker 2: So now we feel like, hey, it's a boring final

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Speaker 2: because that's what's been shoved down our throats. All we

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Speaker 2: hear is the ratings conversation.

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Speaker 1: There's been no good storytelling about anybody else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that part is particularly exhausting for me, and

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Speaker 5: again speaking from the fan, for scon I've got my

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Speaker 5: sad boy radio hat on today because I'm.

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Speaker 4: Wearing all black. I'm mourning my team that lost last.

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Speaker 5: Night like it's a damn funeral, Okay, because this means

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Speaker 5: something very very deeply to me. So I'm invested by

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Speaker 5: default making the rest of the country fall in love

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Speaker 5: or be invested in the success or the failure of

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Speaker 5: the Oklahoma City Thunder or the Indiana Pacers. Beyond the

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Speaker 5: MVP conversation is it is a tough sell, right, I

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Speaker 5: completely acknowledge that. So it's not an easy situation necessarily

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Speaker 5: whether or not the network broadcast partners have.

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Speaker 4: Done it sufficiently.

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Speaker 5: I just think that there are good stories, good basketball

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Speaker 5: stories everywhere and for some reason, and you know, I

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Speaker 5: don't want to pin this on the audience because that

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Speaker 5: seems a bit unfair, But the networks are just doing

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Speaker 5: where they're seeing the most engagement, right, So they're following

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Speaker 5: the breadcrumbs that the audience is leaving for them. They're

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Speaker 5: being reactive instead of proactive and setting the narrative as

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Speaker 5: a result. For me, it's really bothersome because that's been

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Speaker 5: what the NBA coverage has been for for years. At

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Speaker 5: this point, it's so much more about the drama and

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Speaker 5: the tmzenus of the league as it is about the

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Speaker 5: actual basketball that if you want the actual basketball analysis,

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Speaker 5: you have to go elsewhere. And it's not like podcasts

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Speaker 5: are not mainstream media in today's day and age, where

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Speaker 5: the media environment has never been more fractured, and you

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Speaker 5: can find this stuff, right, But the fact that I

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Speaker 5: got to go out of my way to find the actual,

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Speaker 5: actually great basketball analysis for me to understand at a

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Speaker 5: deeper level what's happening in any given series or what's

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Speaker 5: going on, why Jalen Williams is so effective in these moments,

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Speaker 5: why Alex Caruso is such a great role player for

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Speaker 5: the Thunder. All the different things, the metrics, all the

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Speaker 5: stuff that I want as a fan because I want

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Speaker 5: to be more informed.

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Speaker 4: About what's going on in the game.

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Speaker 5: I got to go elsewhere to find it because otherwise

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Speaker 5: it's just going to be about overrated or underrated. Even

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Speaker 5: though Halliburton, for the way that he's performed, I don't

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Speaker 5: even know this. You can have the overrated conversation around

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Speaker 5: him at this point in time and.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's I don't know how to fix

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Speaker 4: the problem.

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Speaker 5: Because they're just reacting to what the audience wants, and

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Speaker 5: it just creates this never ending cycle of nonsense where

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Speaker 5: it's not real basketball conversation being had.

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Speaker 2: And two solid examples. Tim Legler has always done a

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Speaker 2: great job of deep dive breakdowns. ESPN started using him

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Speaker 2: less when I was like Flegs, and I remember distinctly

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Speaker 2: when Jay Williams was on the Morning show after I

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Speaker 2: was on the morning show at ESPN and he was

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Speaker 2: doing some deep dive stuff. The bosses actually came to

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Speaker 2: him and said, stop, nobody knows what you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: like keep it, keep it surface. And so you're right,

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Speaker 2: part of this is the audience, but part of it

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Speaker 2: is just it's got to be the storytelling. With that

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Speaker 2: being said, there's a specific example of what's happening right

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Speaker 2: now in the way the NBA is structured. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that in a second, but first, Steve Disager, get

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Speaker 2: us caught up on what is going on in the.

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Speaker 1: World of sports. Hello, gentlemen.

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Speaker 9: Sam Burns leads the US Open by one stroke. Adam

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Speaker 9: Scott is tied for second place at Oakmond, Pennsylvania. Have

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Speaker 9: Victor Hoblin is three back game five of The Stanley

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Speaker 9: Cup Final is underway and scoreless in the early minutes.

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Speaker 9: Florida at Edmonton series tied at two. In the WNBA today,

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Speaker 9: Caitlin Clark returned for missing five games with a string

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Speaker 9: quad had twenty five points just in the first half.

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Speaker 9: Indiana eventually beat New York one oh two eighty eight.

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Speaker 9: New York had been nine to zero. Clark finished with

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Speaker 9: thirty two points. Minnesota is ten to one after beating

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Speaker 9: LA one oh one seventy eight. The NBA Finals continue Monday.

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Speaker 9: Indiana at Oklahoma City series tied at two. The Rockets

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Speaker 9: reportedly gave center Steven Adams a three year extension. At

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Speaker 9: College Baseball's World Series. Number three Arkansas getting shut out

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Speaker 9: three not thing vice number six seed LSU. That's a

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Speaker 9: first round matchup tonight. Top of the fifth inning. UCLA

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Speaker 9: took its tournament opener today six to four over Murray

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Speaker 9: State to Major League Baseball on Fox TV for most

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Speaker 9: of the country from Boston. The Red Sox lead the

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Speaker 9: Yankees two to nothing in the top of the fifth.

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Speaker 9: At Arizona, it's Diamondbacks over the Padres three to one.

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Speaker 9: In the bottom of the fifth, the padreser two back

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Speaker 9: of the leaders in the NLS. The Giants and Dodgers

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Speaker 9: are tied for first in that division. Giants beat him

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Speaker 9: in La last night. They'll rematch tonight in the late

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Speaker 9: game ten pm Eastern time. Clayton Kershaw on the mound

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Speaker 9: for the Dodgers. The other late game, just over an

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Speaker 9: hour from now, will have Cleveland at Seattle Atlanta be

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Speaker 9: Colorado four to one. The Rockies record thirteen and fifty six.

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Speaker 9: Their offense had four hits, four for thirty two at

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Speaker 9: the plate with nineteen strikeouts, and the winning pitcher, Spencer Strider,

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Speaker 9: who had been great before injury, was zero to five

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Speaker 9: this year era of about five and a half, but

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Speaker 9: against the Rockies, thirteen strikeouts in six innings and no

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Speaker 9: runs allowed. The A's won four to nothing. At Kansas City,

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Speaker 9: five straight losses for the Royals, their offense went four

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Speaker 9: for thirty one with twelve K's Saint Louis won eight

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Speaker 9: to five at Milwaukee in the ninth. Brothers Wilson and

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Speaker 9: William Contreras each hit solo homers, one for Saint Louis,

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Speaker 9: one for Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Beck to you, he's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz We

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Speaker 2: are taking over on a Fox Sports Saturday, Bucking fits

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Speaker 2: hanging out with you as we will be throughout the

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Speaker 2: course of the entire night having a blast. As always,

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Speaker 2: be sure to check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel a ton of great videos from a ton of

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Speaker 2: All you got to do is search Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: I one more, just quick button and bow. I want

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Speaker 1: to put on the conversation we were just having.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is metrics matter, So Buck to your point, mainstream,

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Speaker 2: like the way basketball is consumed I think by Diehard

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Speaker 2: is typically on podcasts and YouTube. There's no doubt about that, right,

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Speaker 2: we all know that. I've talked about that before. But

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Speaker 2: what's interesting is then we do get these numbers on

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Speaker 2: TV ratings for the finals, and everybody loses their minds.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is they haven't figured out an aggregate way.

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Speaker 2: And this is a little inside baseball, but I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an example of this. When Pat McAfee joined ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Instead of giving people a traditional TV rating for Pat

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Speaker 2: in the beginning because it might not have been the strongest.

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Speaker 2: They instead of giving that, they gave a combined rating

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Speaker 2: for the first time ever of minutes spent watching that

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Speaker 2: included YouTube, and that was their way of giving you

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Speaker 2: a better example of how many people are actually watching

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Speaker 2: pat But it also changed some of the narrative around it.

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Speaker 2: The NBA's got to find a way to do that,

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Speaker 2: because otherwise the conversation is constantly on the declining TV

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Speaker 2: ratings without acknowledging that NBA fans are finding other ways

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Speaker 2: to watch this content because they're just not happy with

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Speaker 2: the way their game is covered. That's the bow I

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Speaker 2: will put on it. And a good example of that

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Speaker 2: is what we're dealing with right now. Where what's sexier

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Speaker 2: than a two to two NBA Finals series where we've

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Speaker 2: had three of the four games come down to the wire.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant like, this is crazy. It is wild to

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Speaker 2: me that we are in the middle of this actual

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Speaker 2: series and brother, we got like, once this series is done,

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Speaker 2: we have all of July and part of August with

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Speaker 2: nothing to talk about it in sports talk radio.

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Speaker 1: We have months to.

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Speaker 2: Talk about Kevin Durant, But instead it's the obsession right now.

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Speaker 2: And this is what's wild to me, Like the NBA's

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Speaker 2: got to find a way to get out of their

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Speaker 2: own way. They've got to find a way to change

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Speaker 2: their calendar so that player movement can't even be a

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Speaker 2: conversation until after the finals, because you end up with

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Speaker 2: the situation where news of KD being shopped around becomes

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Speaker 2: more significant than news of a finals that's currently two two.

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Speaker 5: It's not like we have this problem in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: right I mean, the Rogers situation ongoing is always going

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Speaker 5: to be a conversation now that he's finally landed in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 5: and we'll talk about that later on in the.

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Speaker 4: Broadcast this evening.

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Speaker 5: But I can't think of a league that struggles with

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Speaker 5: that as much as the NBA does.

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Speaker 4: But think about it, Fitzie, Like what's.

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Speaker 5: The most popular level of NBA discourse? Like year round,

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Speaker 5: it's transactions. The transactions are far more compelling, it seems,

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Speaker 5: to the vast majority of the sports consuming audience than

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Speaker 5: the actual basketball. Specific to the regular season, this postseason

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Speaker 5: has been a lot of fun, right And whether it's

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Speaker 5: whether it's the Nicks petering out and maybe you'd like

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Speaker 5: to get them a little more run out of them

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Speaker 5: just for the sake of larger interest, or the Lakers

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Speaker 5: not falling short against the Timberwolves early on after trading

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Speaker 5: for Lucas, so you end up with OKC and Indiana,

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Speaker 5: and that kind of changes the way that the coverage

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Speaker 5: of your sport is going to be. And you're still

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Speaker 5: trying to squeeze as many metrics out of this as

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Speaker 5: humanly possible if you're both the league and the networks.

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Speaker 5: So you defer to what's more interesting than two team

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Speaker 5: two small market teams who do have two stars, but

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Speaker 5: really one of them just arrived in Haliburt, like really

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Speaker 5: arrived on the national stage basically in that Knick series.

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Speaker 5: And SGA, who is an MVP rightfully so he's an

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Speaker 5: excellent player, very very high level individual. But Kevin Durant

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Speaker 5: supersedes both of those if you're talking about household name

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Speaker 5: brand equity and not just household name brand equity of

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Speaker 5: a star, but where's the where's he going to land in?

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Speaker 5: If we could hear from Sham Sharania speaking of Pat McAfee,

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Speaker 5: Scham's was on the Pat mcaffee show earlier this week

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Speaker 5: talking about all the different landing spots that might be

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Speaker 5: possible for Kevin Durant from the Suns.

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Speaker 10: There's not going to be a Giannis Kevin Durant intermingling

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Speaker 10: trade going on. You said a week. I think it

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Speaker 10: could be even sooner than that. I think there's some

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Speaker 10: motivation with some teams. Potentially even sooner than seven days.

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Speaker 10: You know, maybe in the next few days we can

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Speaker 10: get some Kevin Durant trade action. There is some serious

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Speaker 10: traction on conversations on trade scenarios with the Suns. They've

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Speaker 10: had about six to eight teams reach out. There's been interests,

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Speaker 10: there's been some offers, there's been some negotiations, but really

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Speaker 10: in the last twenty four to forty eight hours, I'm

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Speaker 10: told the focus of the Suns conversation has been on

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Speaker 10: a few of the teams, and here they are the

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Speaker 10: Houston Rockets.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Heat, and the Minnesota Timberwolves.

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Speaker 10: I'm told those are the three teams right now where

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Speaker 10: a lot of the focus for Durant lies.

660
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Speaker 1: There's some motivations do you want to go there soon?

661
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Speaker 1: In the later so.

662
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Speaker 10: That is it's a great question you ask Aja, because

663
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Speaker 10: he's on expiring contract about fifty four million dollars and

664
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Speaker 10: so that could also come up as an issue here

665
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Speaker 10: where if there's a team that for sure wants his

666
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Speaker 10: extension or will there be a team We saw what

667
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Speaker 10: happened with Kawhi Leonard in twenty nineteen where or actually

668
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Speaker 10: twenty eighteen, and then he won the championship in twenty

669
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Speaker 10: nineteen with the Toronto Raptors where they just literally had

670
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 10: no idea whether he wanted to be there, probably didn't

671
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Speaker 10: want to be there, and they trade from they won

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Speaker 10: a championship, then he leaves anyway. So will there be

673
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Speaker 10: a team, whether it's in this mix or wildcard team

674
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Speaker 10: that just takes a swing and just banks on themselves

675
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Speaker 10: and hope that they can potentially make a deep run

676
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Speaker 10: and keep them there.

677
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Speaker 1: But that's going to be the big question.

678
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Speaker 5: So that's Sean Sharania on the Pat McAfee show talking

679
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 5: about that. But like, think about all the different injury right,

680
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Speaker 5: the kind of teams that were named.

681
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Speaker 4: He worked Yanna Us into the analysis.

682
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Speaker 5: And it's easy to get caught up in all of

683
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Speaker 5: that because these are two of the biggest stars and

684
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 5: this is going to be a very transaction heavy NBA offseason.

685
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: That way, where you see a lot of teams I

686
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: think respond to some of the signings that teams initially make,

687
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: so they start making these kind of trades, right. It's

688
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: a whole domino effect thing, and it's hard not to

689
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Speaker 5: get captivated by that if you're somebody who is a

690
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 5: casual fan, not necessarily invested in OKC or Indiana. So

691
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: it just kind of sweeps you up in it and

692
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: undermines the league itself, which I think you know is

693
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: a frustration for me as somebody who just wants to

694
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 5: talk about their basketball team.

695
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Speaker 2: Look, this is simple. We got to take a break.

696
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Speaker 2: Here's what I would say. Nobody should care where Katie

697
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: is headed. I'll tell you why after the break. Nobody

698
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: should care. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz break it

699
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: down for you on a Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: He's Buck Rising. Jason Fitz already said that, but I'll

701
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: say it again.

702
00:31:53,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Kevin Durant likely

703
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: on the move. I don't care, and you shouldn't either.

704
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Spucking fits on a

705
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Why. I mean, I gotta.

707
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Speaker 2: Explain why, like everybody else is gonna tell you it's

708
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: a big deal, and like, I gotta explain to you

709
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: that it's just it's not.

710
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Speaker 1: We're live at the Fox Sports Arena. Stud just let

711
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Bud. Look at it.

712
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: The NBA's doing something really well right now. We talked

713
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: about it the last time we were together. A new

714
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: champion every year, right, like just a rotating group of champions.

715
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: So you mentioned the way we cover player transactions in

716
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: the league. Let's be honest, Kawhi going to the Clippers

717
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: was covered more than Kawhi winning a championship for Toronto?

718
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: Right?

719
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: And what did that end up with?

720
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Speaker 4: Like?

721
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Speaker 1: What have the Clippers gotten out of that Diddley book?

722
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: Right?

723
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Speaker 2: They've gotten absolutely nothing. Right, they got a box of

724
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: frozen grapes and a new arena. That's all they got. Okay,

725
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: when's the last time we saw a superstar on the

726
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: move that actually resulted in a championship? And I don't

727
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: understand why because sports are copycat.

728
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: So give me the bubble.

729
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Speaker 2: You want to give me Lebron in the bubble, Okay,

730
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: if we want to accept Lebron in the bubble as

731
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Speaker 2: the one here, But.

732
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Speaker 5: I don't I don't count the bubble, the bubble Dodgers,

733
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: the bubble Lakers, all things bubble LA.

734
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to to those of.

735
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Speaker 5: Us listening in the Los Angeles market, but though those

736
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: do not count. To steal a line from from Stutatt's right,

737
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 5: it's a personal record book, no Moss.

738
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Speaker 2: So I count the championship, but I don't think you

739
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: can you can mirror it to make future championship plans.

740
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Speaker 2: So wow, I said that way more articulately than I

741
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: thought I would. So to me in a copycat world.

742
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: And this is what we see in the NFL. Right,

743
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: once one team does something, everybody does it. We see

744
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: that in most sports. Once one team does something, everybody

745
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: does it. Well, the methodology right now to building a

746
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: championship caliber team in the NBA is to figure it

747
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: out with their home grown stars, to stick with them

748
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: for a minute, to try and find the right combination

749
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: of perfect pieces to go around what you've brought in

750
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: that's homegrown. Now, if you want to hit me with KD,

751
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: going to the Timberwolves will change the way we feel

752
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: about the Timberwolves. Maybe, But like this concept that we

753
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: fall in love with it every time. It's Charlie Brown

754
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: going to kick a football. Oh my god, this superstar

755
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: is gonna move in the NBA. Who gives a damn

756
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't actually result in championships, Like last time I checked,

757
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: jokicch was not some superstar that was acquired. Last time

758
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: I checked, Halliburton and SGA, while they were acquired, were

759
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: not acquired as superstars do it?

760
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

761
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: Like, there wasn't a moment where it was, oh my god,

762
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: we're getting Yiannis and that's how we're gonna win a chip.

763
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Like that's just that hasn't been the method.

764
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: We sat here and begged not we, you and I,

765
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: but people sat here and begged the Celtics to rip

766
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: apart their superstars because they couldn't win the big one.

767
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: Then they won a championship last year.

768
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: Like, at some.

769
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Point we have to acknowledge that the way to do

770
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: this is to draft your start and to bring everything

771
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: along with your superstar, slow and low, like barbecue, until

772
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: you get the right combination of pieces they can help

773
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: you win a championship, and then you hope that you

774
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: get that one magical year. That's the method in the NBA.

775
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: It's not trading for KD.

776
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 5: You know, just because he's back in the news for

777
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: reasons that I'm sure he doesn't want to be in

778
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: the news. We were talking about this with the Marcus

779
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 5: Cousins going to the Warriors on the on the local show.

780
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: What I guess that would have been yesterday? And have

781
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: you seen this to Marcus Cousins story out of Puerto

782
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: Rico by the way, No, no, maybe maybe Ian, I

783
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: don't know how we worked that.

784
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 7: INTI maybe maybe save yourself the time and don't don't

785
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 7: look into it.

786
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 5: No, I would one hundred percent looking to it into it.

787
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: It's delightful on a variety of different fronts, of course,

788
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 5: because no one was hurt, and Boogey Cousins could have

789
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 5: probably hurt somebody had he not slipped and fallen. But

790
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, leave leave too much

791
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: nebulousness out there.

792
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: We can talk about the story later if we have time.

793
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: It is it is such a good point made by

794
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 5: you because we think about that in the NFL. That's

795
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: the way that we are conditioned to think about things,

796
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 5: and it is the correct way to think about things. Right.

797
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: You draft, you develop your talent, and then you retain

798
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 5: your talent, and that is the most successful way to

799
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 5: realize your championship aspirations, or to get as close as

800
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: humanly possible. Right, you may not ultimately end up winning

801
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 5: a ring just because you've done all these things the

802
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: right way, because you know for twenty years Tom Brady

803
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 5: is standing in your way, or now Patrick Mahomes or

804
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson or Joe like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and

805
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 5: Josh Allen are dealing with this currently in the AFC. Right,

806
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 5: you can draft, develop, and retain your own talent, get

807
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: as close as humanly possible, closer than anybody else could,

808
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: and still be met with the guy that's inevitable at

809
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 5: the end of the day, who was also drafted organically

810
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: by his organization. In the NBA, I wonder if it's

811
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 5: not something about the way that one player can so

812
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: much more individually impact the results that it makes us

813
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 5: think in our heads, all right, if X player, even

814
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: if they're on the decline. And there's no question that

815
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant is not the Kevin Durant of old, we

816
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: can all admit that he may.

817
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: Get bothered by that.

818
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: On social media, he may take pot shots at people

819
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: on social media as he's wont to do, but I

820
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: think even he would acknowledge that he's not at the

821
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: peak of his powers in an honest moment.

822
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: Right now.

823
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: Basketball is so much more willing or prone to letting

824
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: an individual player affect the team's results. It's about as

825
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: individual a sport as a team sport could be. That

826
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: way to wear in our heads, it makes sense, Okay,

827
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 5: if you plug this one piece who I know and

828
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: who I know has been good across their career, and

829
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 5: you put it with a lot of really good other pieces,

830
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: then that should give you the best possible equation to

831
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: realize a championship solution. And to your point, it just

832
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 5: doesn't nearly happen as often as we think it should.

833
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: Part of this, too, is who were those players that

834
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: had that direct result? And you're talking about Lebron in

835
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: his prime, You're talking about KD in his prime. Like

836
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: you're talking about two all time greats in their prime

837
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: going to teams stacked with other good players and winning championships.

838
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Like that's.

839
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: Fine, but that's not what we're talking about for Katie now,

840
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: as you just acknowledged, right like, also, there just has

841
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: to be some point where we look at it and

842
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: it's like holding every quarterback or every NFL team to

843
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: the same standard that we held Tom Brady and the Patriots.

844
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: Like it's much different to do roster development when you

845
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: are the Kansas City Chiefs and you have Patrick Mahomes,

846
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: then it is if you are the Indianapolis Colts and

847
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: you have Anthony Richardson, Like, the rules are different. I

848
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: just think that we have to accept it. The rules

849
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: are different right now in this NBA. Then just go

850
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: out and get a big star. Go out and get

851
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: a big.

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Speaker 1: Name, guys.

853
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 7: I wonder if it's like a depth thing, like you

854
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 7: have to trade away all of your depth to acquire

855
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 7: a superstar like that, so then you're left with not

856
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 7: much else on your roster. Like if you were able

857
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 7: to theoretically acquire someone like Durant and then still retain

858
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 7: all these great role players who can come off the

859
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 7: bench and hit some threes for you when Durant needs

860
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: a breather, then you know there might still be something

861
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 7: to say about it.

862
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: You're right, but it's like everything else in sports, there

863
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: are not typically.

864
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: Quick, easy fixes.

865
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: We'll keep breaking it down. Plus historic final with historic

866
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: low ratings. Why but we're not talking about the NBA.

867
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: Tell you what we mean next, you're listening to Fox

868
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Sports Radio. When I was a kid, my dad used

869
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: to always ask that question. If a tree falls in

870
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: the forest and no one's there to hear, it doesn't

871
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: make a sound, and I'm not smart enough to figure

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00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: that out.

873
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm not smart enough to figure

874
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: it out.

875
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: But it's a puzzle, and it has me thinking, what

876
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: about the puzzle of a final that is absolutely epic

877
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: but nobody's watching it? And I'm not talking about the NBA.

878
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Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz It's Bucking fits. We're

879
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: taking over Fox Sports Saturday. And look, I'll be the

880
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: first to admit I'm a hockey guy.

881
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm one of the rare ones. I'm a hockey guy.

882
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid in Vegas, very little kid,

883
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: we didn't have cable, couldn't afford it. And that was

884
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: back when Wayne Gretzky was in Edmonton. That's how old

885
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I am.

886
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: Buck and my dad used to have a buddy film

887
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup playoffs on VHS tapes and then they'd

888
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: send him to the house and we would get this

889
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: big box of tapes and my dad and I would

890
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: sit down and we would just watch the oiler because

891
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: like back then, you didn't get to see that stuff

892
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: any other way. And my dad was like, you gotta

893
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: watch this. The best player you'll ever see in your life.

894
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: So when Wayne Gretzky was traded to the Kings and

895
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: the Kings traded off to Silver and Black, like I

896
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: was in Vegas at the time, that was a big deal.

897
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: I have a puck sitting behind me on this shelf

898
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: that came from the first ten thousand people that ever

899
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: sat in Bridgestone Arena to watch a Pred's game. I

900
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: went to the very first Nashville Predators game, like I

901
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: covered that team as you know, and we were together

902
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 2: there for their Stanley Cup Final run there.

903
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I have been a hockey guy my entire life, so

904
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: I know that I am the biased one in this,

905
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 1: But I am sitting here watching a Stanley Cup final

906
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: between Edmonton and Florida that you just hearned Steve seger

907
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: tell Us is two nothing after one. I sat in

908
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: a bar the other night to watch that game all

909
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: the way into overtime, because three of the four games

910
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: have gone to overtime. One in fact, a double overtime.

911
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: Two of the endings have been two of the latest

912
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: goals in Stanley Cup Final history. We are watching the

913
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: most even Stanley Cup Final series, maybe the most even

914
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: playoff series I've ever seen.

915
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: In my life. Between two teams that went seven games

916
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: last year and two million people watch the last game,

917
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: two million nobody cares. Which nobody cares just.

918
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 5: Criminal, truly, because that I mean, I don't know that

919
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: there's a more electrifying March madness has a case to

920
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 5: be stated here, but the level of skill in the

921
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 5: NHL versus college basketball, for example, is so much greater

922
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 5: relative to their respective sports that to me, the hockey

923
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: postseason is the most entertaining just as an objective fan.

924
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: So I don't know what the nahill does about this,

925
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 5: because for me, you know, I mean, FITZI, I'm in Nashville,

926
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 5: you know this.

927
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: I work in a hockey market.

928
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: Even though the hockey team it's been eight years, by

929
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: the way since that's Stanley Cup run for the Nashville Predators,

930
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 5: and that was Maybe it feels even longer because there

931
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: was a COVID pandemic in the middle of that. That

932
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: makes everything feel like it was one hundred years ago.

933
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 5: But it's just crazy to think about how long it's

934
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: been since they've had relevant hockey here in Middle Tennessee,

935
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: which is, you know, another crazy statement to say about

936
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 5: relevant hockey here in Middle Tennessee. But we got Florida

937
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 5: competing against Canada in the Stanley Cup final.

938
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: It's in a rematch.

939
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: So, because I'm more inclined to watch hockey, and we're

940
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: sports professionals, right like, we're paying attention to what games

941
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 5: are on, whether it be the College World Series or

942
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: the Stanley Cup, the NBA or things that other people

943
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 5: may consider ancillary. I would have thought, at least based

944
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: off the betting, that there would be more than two

945
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: million people watching this, Like that's the thing that you

946
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: can almost rely on to a tea anymore. When it

947
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: comes to leagues or teams in games that you're going

948
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: to question how much the interest would actually draw.

949
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: At least the.

950
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: Gambling people will be there to be in on that,

951
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: and even they are turning their nose up. Maybe hockey

952
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 5: is more different. I would not bet my money on

953
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 5: a hockey game. It's way too many different variables for me.

954
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: So perhaps I've answered my own question there, But for

955
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 5: you to tell me that two million people watched that

956
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: last game, that game four as absolutely electrifying as it

957
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: was top to bottom. I'm kind of in disbelief. I

958
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: had no idea the number until you just said it

959
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 5: out loud.

960
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: I just think it's hard to make people give a

961
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: damn about pretty much anything, and quality doesn't matter like this.

962
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: This is just a great overall. I don't remembers me now,

963
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: true quality doesn't matter. Like I remember when we were

964
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: in the studio working on one of the records that

965
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: we put out, and we were having this great argument

966
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: about a drum sound, like did it sound? And you know,

967
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: so you're in a recording studio in Nashville and they're

968
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: speakers everywhere listening at this volume that's just absolutely gonna

969
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: shake your floor right your feet are vibrating, and we're

970
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: arguing about the tone of this one little thing. And

971
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: I remember looking at everybody and being like, you know,

972
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: you realize people just can listen to this on their phone, right,

973
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: Like should we really care that much? And now you've

974
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: got like Timberland, the producer, has just opened up the

975
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: first all AI music company. The artist is AI manufactured,

976
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: the songs are AI manufactured, and All of the music

977
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: is essentially AI manufactured, and there are certainly purists.

978
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: That are like, oh, that'll never work. It's like that

979
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: will because at the end of the day, people don't

980
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: really give it namn like. But the funny thing is,

981
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: to me, even if.

982
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: It's just we don't care about quality, I'll buy that

983
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: if quality is boring, this is electric. Like the best

984
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: player in the world is in the Stanley Cup Final,

985
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: and the most clutch player we've ever seen in Stanley

986
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: Cup playoff history is in this final.

987
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: Dry title has at this.

988
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: Point four overtime winning game a game winning goals in

989
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: this run. That's the most ever in a single playoff.

990
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Like you want to talk about clutch, you got your

991
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and and it's for a historic

992
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: franchise that people that you have ever been around hockey

993
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: understand or know for a country that hasn't won a

994
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: Cup since ninety three. Right, So if you're looking at Edmonton, boy,

995
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: there's a million stories. And in the meantime, Florida's trying

996
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: to go back to back, like they're trying to go

997
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: back to back. How does it Florida? How does it

998
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: get any better than this. If you were hockey, you like.

999
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: The good news is hockey fans and hockey as a

1000
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: sport has learned it's cool to just be who they

1001
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: are and that I think that maybe that's the biggest

1002
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: difference between the NBA. Like NBA haters want to just

1003
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: take every opportunity to just, you know, puke all over

1004
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: the ratings and NBA fans want to take every opportunity

1005
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: to puke over all over people that are puking over

1006
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: the ratings. At least hockey guy has learned, like, Hey,

1007
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: I love my sport. I don't really care if you

1008
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: love my sports like loving an indie rock band. They're

1009
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: good with it. Maybe that's why there's peace in this,

1010
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: but damn it, people will more people should care about this.

1011
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

1012
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: You can go back to back like the Florida pay

1013
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 5: Anthers on your Fox Sports Radio shows in the iHeartRadio app.

1014
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 5: You can stream this show and all of our Fox

1015
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 5: Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven in the

1016
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports Radio

1017
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 5: in the app to stream us live. And one of

1018
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: the newest features in the app is that you can

1019
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets just

1020
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 5: like the presets on a radio dial. So be sure

1021
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 5: to preset Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app and

1022
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 5: it will always pop up at the top of your screen.

1023
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 5: He's Jason Fitz. I'm Buck Rising, and you're listening to

1024
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 5: Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio from the

1025
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio studios.

1026
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: And I wonder if there's not some level of peace

1027
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: in that.

1028
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: Of course, I'm sure the NHL executives want the best

1029
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 5: number possible because at the end of the day, they're

1030
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 5: in the business of monetizing their product and selling that

1031
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 5: product to television networks to try and get the largest

1032
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 5: dollar figure to get that investment back into the league

1033
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 5: that they want to continue to grow, and on all

1034
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 5: of these different things, there does seem to be some

1035
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: peace from that. In hockey fans, they're like, we don't

1036
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: care if you're not watching. We're watching and it's a

1037
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 5: great time. If you're not watching this, you're missing out.

1038
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 5: That's boo on you. And then when a casual you know,

1039
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: maybe they've got these games on in a bar somewhere

1040
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: and you just happen to look up and it's a

1041
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 5: double overtime game or a team scores three goals in

1042
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 5: the first period, and then the opposing team comes back

1043
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 5: and throws scores three goals in the second period, and

1044
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: things like that, and it's completely stimulus overload to where

1045
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: you can't look away. But you have to have that

1046
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 5: thing on in the first place to first attract your attention.

1047
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 5: The NBA just continues to have this inferiority complex, or

1048
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: at least they seem like they do, right. I'm sure

1049
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 5: they would never admit in a public moment that they

1050
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: do have this inferiority complex. But Adam Silver appearing on

1051
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: every television show and every radio show under the sun

1052
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 5: trying to sell you on oksee at Indiana makes me

1053
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: think that they feeling a little bit of that imposter

1054
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 5: syndrome too. As we talk about a finals in the

1055
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: NBA that people might not necessarily gravitate towards a final

1056
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 5: in the Stanley Cup that I thought would be must

1057
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 5: see for America, given that these two teams were just

1058
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 5: in the final a year ago.

1059
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: That it's a rematch.

1060
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: Philadelphia and Kansas City was a rematch, and you got

1061
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 5: some of the tired board narratives, Oh it's just Kansas

1062
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 5: City again, Oh it's the Eagles again, this, that, and

1063
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 5: the other, and it ended up being not a compelling game,

1064
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 5: but it was a compelling game just to see the

1065
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 5: way that the Eagles were able to turn the tide.

1066
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: And dominate Kansas City that way.

1067
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: It's a different result, even though you got the same

1068
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 5: two teams competing against one another. I am invested in

1069
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 5: the Stanley Cup Final for exactly that reason.

1070
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: I want to see if.

1071
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 5: The nation of Canada can steal back their national sport

1072
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 5: from South Florida. It's insanely it has to make the

1073
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: Canadians absolutely mad. And so that alone to me, and

1074
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: also combined with the level of skill and talent and

1075
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: star power in the Stanley Cup Final that we're getting

1076
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: it ready to witness, and what the results have been

1077
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 5: so far, which has been absolutely captivating television. I'm just

1078
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: kind of in the opinion now that I'm gonna take

1079
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 5: the same position as the hockey people, which is, if

1080
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 5: you don't want to watch this stuff, that's on you,

1081
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 5: like you're just depriving yourself of sports greatness. And if

1082
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: you want to live that way and then you want

1083
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 5: to just dismiss hockey after the fact, that's fine. That's

1084
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 5: that's your perspective. I will judge you for it, absolutely,

1085
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 5: I will judge you for it. I will think less

1086
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 5: of you because of it, and all these different things.

1087
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: I just you know, straight up, I'm gonna tell you

1088
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 5: that on the front end. But if you want to

1089
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 5: deprive yourself of that sports joy, the reason why we

1090
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 5: all gravitate towards the stuff in the first place, star power,

1091
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: electric electric performance on the field or on the ice,

1092
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Speaker 5: or on the court, whatever the case may be, and

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00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 5: just the different narratives that come associated with this that

1094
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 5: do have legitimate drama to them.

1095
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 4: I mean, then get out of here. I'll watch the

1096
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 4: hockey myself, I don't care.

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00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 5: I'll talk about it with FITZI and we'll mutter, you know,

1098
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 5: things about dry Sidle and Conny McDavid in the dark

1099
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 5: corners where nobody else can hear us except on Spock

1100
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: Sports Radio where we are nationally broadcast.

1101
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: And I'll enjoy that myself.

1102
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: But if I've got to sell you on this Stanley

1103
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: Cup Final at this point, you're a lost cause.

1104
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: I also think there's a part of this where you know,

1105
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: we're not the audience. America is just not the audience.

1106
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: Like every time I've been up in Canada, I'm amazed

1107
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: by how much it means, which only it becomes so

1108
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: much more ironic in the sense that, like I said,

1109
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: I covered the Pretz Stanley Cup Final run, I flew

1110
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: out and went to Stanley Cup Final matches games for Vegas,

1111
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: I flew out and went to the parade when the

1112
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: Golden Knights won the Stanley Cup Final, like my city

1113
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: that birthed to me. Absolutely, winning a championship was everything.

1114
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: So we're the problem. Florida gets some championships.

1115
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: It's Miami. They got other things to do. Vegas gets

1116
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: some time.

1117
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: You didn't even care to see how sad that parade

1118
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: was for them last year.

1119
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 4: I know it was raining a little bit, but still, I.

1120
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 2: Mean, come on, like a hockey parade in the middle

1121
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: of summer in Miami, Like, what.

1122
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Could go wrong? I just I think we can understand

1123
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: all that.

1124
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: By the way, we've asked you on Twitter, speaking of parades,

1125
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 2: we've asked you for some of your best and worst

1126
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: moments that you've lived in public. In honor of Buck

1127
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Rising sitting in a bar in Nashville and having to

1128
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: live through his Indiana Pacers losing last night getting a

1129
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: ton of response. You can tweet us at Buck Rising,

1130
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: at Fox Sports Radio at Jason fitz and I did

1131
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: love this, Moro said, you mean, like my Pat's coming

1132
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: back from a twenty eight three deficit to trounce.

1133
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: The Falcons in the Super Bowl.

1134
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine how different that moment was for each

1135
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: collective fan base and how insufferable.

1136
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: Each side was. That's all I'm saying, Buck, each side

1137
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: had to be the worst in the bar.

1138
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: I don't think Arthur Blank has had a worse public

1139
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 5: moment than that than being down on the sidelines, you know,

1140
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 5: prematurely and dancing around. I think it was him and

1141
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 5: his wife, the owner of the Atlanta Falcons, when they

1142
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: were carrying that twenty eight to three.

1143
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 4: Lead, and then his things started to be chipped away

1144
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: at it.

1145
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: It was getting more and more obvious that Tom Brady

1146
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 5: was going to snatch their hearts.

1147
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: Out of their chest Collie Mass style. Right.

1148
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: It's this, It's this very very unique experience that you know,

1149
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 5: whether it's three to one in a series and a

1150
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: team comes back to win, or that twenty eight to three,

1151
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 5: which is unlike anything.

1152
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my football lifetime.

1153
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: I unbearable Patriots fans, you know, the city of Boston,

1154
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 5: I think embraces this.

1155
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: So I'm not telling them anything that they don't know already.

1156
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 5: But like Boston sports fans generally unbearable, so you go

1157
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: in with that. But the misery of Falcons fans is

1158
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 5: an entirely different kind of just dark, bloomy cloud that

1159
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: hangs over everything that they do. At this point, I

1160
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 5: think it's a great submission. There's a couple more here.

1161
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 5: Matt Funk says the worst public moment for him was

1162
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 5: the Raiders losing to the Buccaneers in the Super Bowl,

1163
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 5: and the best was his Capitals winning the Stanley Cup.

1164
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: On the opposite side of that, Danny.

1165
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 5: Smith in Vegas is outstanding outside of T Mobile Arena.

1166
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 5: Watching the Capitals clinch the Cup in Vegas was his

1167
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 5: worst public moment. I imagine there were quite some, quite

1168
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 5: a few people in the city of Las Vegas that

1169
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 5: melted down that day.

1170
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1171
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I watched the Pittsburgh Penguins win the

1172
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: Cup in Bridgestone, and I sat there and just watched

1173
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: them skate around with it. It's weird when you watch

1174
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: somebody else win the Cup in your home Home arena.

1175
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: All right, keep tweeting us, give us some more of

1176
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: your thoughts on it. Look, the Falcons don't know anything

1177
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: about winning a Super Bowl. Neither do the Bengals, and

1178
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: you gotta wonder if they're gonna get any closer based

1179
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: on controversy right now. That's happening before we've even hit

1180
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: the season. We'll tell you about it. We'll break down

1181
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: a really complicated issue for Cincinnati.

1182
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Pittsburgh, hanging out with

1183
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: you on Fox Sports Radio.

1184
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: Leverage. It's a tricky thing.

1185
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 5: You're trying to maximize your own position, You're trying to

1186
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 5: take care of yourself, You're trying to take care of

1187
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 5: your family. Sometimes you might overplay your hand. That seems

1188
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 5: to be the situation that we are trying to discern

1189
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 5: between first round rookie Shamar Stewart and the team that

1190
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 5: drafted him about a month and a half ago, the

1191
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals. Welcome back to five Sports Radio. On this

1192
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 5: Fox Sports Saturday. He's Jason Fitz I'm Buck Rising, and

1193
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, FITZI I am very very

1194
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 5: late to the party on this entire ordeal for those

1195
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: who are not familiar. I'm in Nashville, Fitzi's in Connecticut.

1196
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: My whole deal here locally is.

1197
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 5: That I cover the Tennessee Titans for a living and

1198
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 5: have been documenting number one overall pitcam Ord and everything

1199
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 5: that's been going on in Titans rookie Minicamp or excuse me,

1200
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 5: mandatory Minicamp all week long. So I check back in

1201
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: when I pull myself out of my own situation, and

1202
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 5: I see this circumstance with Shamar Stewart where he is

1203
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 5: now skipping out on the final day of mandatory mini

1204
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: camp after sounding off on his lingering contract dispute earlier

1205
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 5: this week in ways that are very public and very

1206
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: messy with one of the most famous or famously cheap

1207
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 5: organizations in the NFL that is not only dealing with

1208
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 5: the Shamar Stewart situation, but it is also dealing with

1209
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 5: a contract negotiation, if you want to still call it

1210
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 5: a negotiation with their other past rusher, Trey Hendrickson, who

1211
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 5: is very publicly displeased about the way that the organization

1212
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 5: has handled this deal. So I asked you, Jason Fitz,

1213
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 5: with the details that we are getting ready to work

1214
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: through and they are complicated details here. How are you

1215
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 5: feeling about Shamar Stewart's holdout, a rookie holdout with the

1216
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals.

1217
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: Are you team Chamar or are you team sincey here.

1218
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 2: I'm team Chamar, and I think a couple of things

1219
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: we have to understand. One, Schamar has an agent, right,

1220
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: and so the reason you have an agent is so

1221
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: that you can figure out what industry standard is. I

1222
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: have an agent now for what I do in sports broadcasting, right,

1223
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: because I need to know what industry standard is. I

1224
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: had an agent when I was in music because you

1225
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: got to know what industry standard is. So Chamar is

1226
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: not just coming in and he and his me ma

1227
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: are working on a contract with the Bengals. Let's let's

1228
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: be very clear about that. They as an agent that

1229
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: reps other players as well. And so the hard part

1230
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: about this is Twitter wants to make everything black or

1231
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: white right, wants to make everything.

1232
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: Somebody's right, somebody's wrong.

1233
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: When you break down some of this, it gets really

1234
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: complicated because the issue here is.

1235
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: That the Bengals want to put some language in.

1236
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: His contract that means that if he is suspended for

1237
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: any reason, whether it's something that happens off the field,

1238
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: something that happens on the field. If he suspended even

1239
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: for a game because of an illegal leading with the

1240
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: helmet hit, for example, they want it in his contract

1241
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: that it would nullify the rest of his deal, not

1242
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: just that year, but it could nullify the entirety of

1243
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: the contract. Now, there are some other players selected in

1244
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: the first round this year for other teams that have

1245
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: similar logic and their similar wording in their contract, but

1246
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: the Bengals haven't done this the last couple of years

1247
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: with some of their players. That's where this gets really weird.

1248
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: The other part of how this gets weird is that

1249
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: the Bengals, historically and in this instance as well, are

1250
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: not paying their guarantees the same way other teams pay

1251
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: it wildly in the weeds, but some team. Most teams

1252
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: pay you all of your guaranteed money upfront and it

1253
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: gets put in escrow. All of these different things that

1254
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: Happenngals like to pay their guarantees over time. Well, according

1255
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: to the language in this contract, it could be a technicality,

1256
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: but if it's voided, whatever guarantees he hasn't been paid

1257
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: would also be voided. So this is a very complicated situation.

1258
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart is looking at this complicated situation and saying,

1259
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you find a way to

1260
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: not pay me. Should you choose to want to if

1261
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm suspended for a game for any reason, Like, that's

1262
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: just not the way he's choosing to do business. So

1263
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: the Bengals are trying to stand on something that is

1264
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: difficult to stand on and Shamar doesn't need to give

1265
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: it damn about any of it, Like shamalz just needs

1266
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: to worry about him, right, So if you're the Bengals,

1267
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: I think part of the complication here is you haven't

1268
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: paid Trey and part of the reason you drafted shamars

1269
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: you might not want to pay Tray. Well, now what

1270
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: are you going to do if you don't get either

1271
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: of them in camp? Let's hear from Shamar Stewart.

1272
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 5: This was his media availability before he skipped out on

1273
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 5: the final day of Bengals mandatory mini camp.

1274
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: No business is business in football is football. But have

1275
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: the veterans said anything? Has there been any reaction at

1276
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: all with your your situation.

1277
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 11: It's made it very easy when the people in her

1278
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 11: locker room say you're doing the right things, especially the

1279
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 11: star players.

1280
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not wrong number one.

1281
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: Also, you know this better than anybody because you're in

1282
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: a locker room all the time. I've worked with a

1283
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: lot of players that play in the league. How often

1284
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: do you hear people say, man, business is business. Like you,

1285
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: You've got veteran players who are going to look around

1286
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: and be like, no, get yours, especially from this organization.

1287
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 5: This particular because what Katie Blackburn I believe is the

1288
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 5: name of the Bengals executive that really stepped in it

1289
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 5: at owners meetings talking about Trey Hendrickson's situation. And I'm

1290
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 5: paraphrasing here. I don't have the exact quote in front

1291
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 5: of me, but she said something to the effect of.

1292
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 4: Well, maybe he should just be happy with what.

1293
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 5: We're offering him, you know, which is a wild public

1294
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 5: stance to take in the middle of a negotiation with

1295
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: a guy who's leading the league in sacks on a

1296
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 5: regular basis.

1297
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: That's a wild state. I don't care what. I don't

1298
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: care if you make widgets.

1299
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: If you go into your boss and you're like, I

1300
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: feel like I deserve a raise, I'm making more widgets

1301
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: than everybody else, and your boss's response is maybe you

1302
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: should just be happy that you have a job. Like

1303
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: what's the first thing you do when you get home

1304
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: from that meeting? You go out online, you start looking

1305
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: for new jobs, right, Like there is just this element

1306
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: And Schamar's got to feel some kind of way because

1307
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: he also made the statement that he's on hundred percent correct,

1308
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,479
Speaker 2: and he's he's said the organization is just worried about

1309
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: being right. Like he's loudly speaking out against a team

1310
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: that in theory he should want to play for it

1311
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: for the next ten years. Like this is such a

1312
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: terrible way to start your working relationship between a team

1313
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: and a player. I mean, money fixes everything, but man,

1314
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: this leaves a taste in your mouth. You know that

1315
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: everybody knows that this leaves a lingering something in the

1316
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: back of your head. Like if the next time you

1317
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: go to contract negotiations they're cheap on the first offer,

1318
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like, here we go again.

1319
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play somewhere else.

1320
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 5: And I know we're gonna go to Steve de Seger

1321
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 5: to get us updated on everything else that's happening around

1322
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: the world here in just a second. But I'll tell you, Fitzise,

1323
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 5: these sports executives who try and just win the negotiation

1324
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 5: for the sake of winning the negotiation, because they are

1325
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 5: also competitors in what they do. They're trying to get

1326
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 5: the best team deal for their team, even if they

1327
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: make some missteps along the way. The last time I

1328
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 5: saw somebody played chicken with the train this way was

1329
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 5: John Robinson, the former Titans general manager, and AJ Brown.

1330
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 4: And AJ Brown is.

1331
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 5: Going to Super Bowls and winning Super Bowls with the

1332
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles now, and John Robinson has not gotten a

1333
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 5: job back in football and is trying to pub his

1334
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: podcast on Good Morning Football because he can't get back

1335
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 5: into the league. I would think at a certain point

1336
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 5: that these executives would look around at these cautionary tales

1337
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 5: that exist everywhere and understand that the talent is more

1338
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 5: important than they are, and they are the things that

1339
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: are going to help you win championships, which should, at

1340
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 5: the at the end of the day, be the ultimate goal.

1341
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 5: The Cincinnati Bengals have been unseerious about this the entire

1342
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 5: way through, and that's a part of their DNA. Unfortunately

1343
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 5: for Bengals fans, they're just going to have to deal

1344
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 5: with it. But let's get to Steve to Sega and

1345
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 5: figure out what else is going on in the sports World.

1346
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 9: Game five, with the Stanley Cup Final going on at Edmonton,

1347
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 9: it is the Panthers in the lead two nothing over

1348
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 9: the Oilers, twelve minutes to go in the second period.

1349
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 7: Series tied at two.

1350
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: Game six will.

1351
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 9: Be in Florida on Tuesday, and we had a first

1352
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 9: period tally for Brad Marshawn his fifth in this series

1353
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 9: with Florida. In the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final with Boston,

1354
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 9: he had five goals in that series. Marshan the first

1355
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 9: player in NHL history to score at least five goals

1356
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 9: in a single Cup final with two different teams. Three

1357
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 9: WNBA games, including an Indiana win today over New York,

1358
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 9: which was nine to zero one oh two eighty eight.

1359
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 4: The final.

1360
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 9: Caitlin Clark thirty two points twenty five in the first half.

1361
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 9: She had missed five games with a string quad. The

1362
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 9: NBA Finals continue Monday. The Rockets reportedly gave center Steven

1363
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 9: Adams a three year extension. He would have become an

1364
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 9: unrestricted free agent. Sam Burns leads the US Open by

1365
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 9: one stroke. Adam Scott has tied for second place. Rory

1366
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 9: McElroy shot a third round seventy four. After barely making

1367
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 9: the Cup, He's now ten over par at College Baseball's

1368
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 9: World Series, number six seed LSU still in the lead

1369
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 9: against number three Arkansas four to one LSU in the

1370
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 9: bottom of the eighth. UCLA won its opener today six

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 9: to four over Murray State. To Major League Baseball. For

1372
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 9: most of the country on Fox TV, it's the game

1373
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 9: at Boston. The Red Sox lead for to two over

1374
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 9: the Yankees in the top of the eighth. For some,

1375
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 9: it's the Padres, who now lead at Arizona five to

1376
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 9: three in the top of the eighth. San Diego got

1377
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,479
Speaker 9: four runs in the top of the seventh to take

1378
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 9: the advantage, Fernando Tatis Junior a two run single, Manny

1379
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 9: Machado a two run double. Earlier, Atlanta handed Colorado another defeat,

1380
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 9: four to won the final. The Rockies record is thirteen

1381
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 9: and fifty seven, the worst overall record after seventy games

1382
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 9: since nineteen oh one. Houston won its fourth game in

1383
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 9: a row, three to two over Minnesota thanks to a

1384
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 9: run in the bottom of the ninth. Twins offense went

1385
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 9: three to thirty with seventeen strikeouts Philadelphia on a solo

1386
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 9: home bottom of the eighth edge, Toronto three to two.

1387
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 9: Max Kepler the hero. Tampa Bay won in New York

1388
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 9: against the Mets again eight to four, Cubs two to

1389
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 9: one over Pittsburgh. Today, Dansby Swanson a solo homer Miami

1390
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 9: sent Washington to a seventh straight loss four to three.

1391
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 9: Cincinnati hit four home runs and got an eleven to

1392
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 9: one win at Detroit. The Tigers record now forty six

1393
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 9: and twenty six. The late game tonight will have the

1394
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 9: Giants at the Dodgers. Those two tied for first in

1395
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 9: the NL West. The padres right now, two back back

1396
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 9: to you.

1397
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising on Jason fitzpucking fits taking over Fox

1398
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. Coming at your Live from the Fox Sports

1399
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: Saturday Studios, Fox Sports Studios. I should say, let me

1400
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 2: just go back to the Bengals for a second, because

1401
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: here's the most frustrating part.

1402
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: It's not Schamar, it's not Trey, it's not the holdouts.

1403
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: It's the fact that the Bengals have the most important

1404
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: thing that you absolutely must have if you want to

1405
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl, and that's a quarterback that can

1406
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: compete with Patrick Mahomes, and they are wasting it every

1407
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: single damn year. It is so frustrating to me to

1408
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: just watch this ta and I'm frustrated for Bengals fans

1409
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: like my yelling and screaming about this book is because

1410
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: I look at the Bengals and I say, there is

1411
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: absolutely no reason that every year you weren't winning twelve

1412
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: or thirteen games and putting yourself straight into the AFC

1413
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: Championship game. The Bengals should be as consistently in the

1414
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: championship conversation right now as the Buffalo Bills and Kansas

1415
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: City Chiefs and Baltimore Ravens are, and they aren't because organizationally,

1416
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: they just screw it up. And when you screw up

1417
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: year after year at Joe Burrow, it's disgusting to me.

1418
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 4: It's hard not to be disgusted by it.

1419
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 5: Because there's sobering moments in your sports fan hood timeline

1420
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 5: right across the course of your life where you think,

1421
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 5: at a certain age in your naivete that your team

1422
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 5: is trying to win a championship each and every year.

1423
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: And then you get to a certain point where you

1424
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: start to pay attention to transactions, You start to read

1425
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: more about the principal parties who were involved in the

1426
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 5: running of these teams, and you start to see and

1427
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 5: we'll just make it Bengals examples, specifically stories like Jonathan

1428
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 5: Joseph explaining that players couldn't take gatorade home and had

1429
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 5: to share hotel rooms on road trips and doing all

1430
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 5: these things, or team that the team doesn't gather at

1431
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 5: a local hotel the night before home games, allowing players

1432
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 5: to stay out all night and show up for work

1433
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 5: hungover or still drunk in certain situations, as Jonathan Joseph

1434
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 5: has talked about publicly before a former Cincinnati Bengals player.

1435
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 5: You get to these points and the Pacers. The Pacers

1436
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,959
Speaker 5: are in the NBA Finals finally, thank god, and playing

1437
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 5: at a high level with this series tied to too.

1438
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 5: But there was years where I would look at the

1439
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 5: way that the Pacers were making transactions as a Pacers

1440
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 5: fan myself for those of you who are just now

1441
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 5: joining us on Fox Sports Radio, where they were trading

1442
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 5: players for like cash, exemptions and stuff like that, and

1443
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: I'm just looking around.

1444
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 4: And being like, are we not trying to win?

1445
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 5: What is the disconnect here that I, as a fan

1446
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 5: am missing? Where I am pouring my time, my effort,

1447
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 5: my energy, and in sometimes finances into the support of

1448
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 5: this team. But this team is doing things in a

1449
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 5: way that would indicate that they're not actively trying to

1450
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 5: win each and every time. Now, when you get older,

1451
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 5: you understand that that's not realistic and that there are

1452
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 5: certain steps that have to be taken to realize the

1453
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: ultimate goal, and that it can be a part of

1454
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 5: a longer term play than just go out there and

1455
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 5: try and win a chip each and every season. But

1456
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: if you're a Bengals fan looking at the fact that

1457
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 5: you have one of these things that's impossible to find.

1458
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 5: You have a fire breathing dragon at quarterback, You've got

1459
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 5: the best wide receiver in the NFL. And despite them

1460
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 5: putting up ungodly statistics last year, arguably I would argue

1461
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 5: that Joe Burrole played the quarterback position as at hot

1462
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 5: as at as high of a level as anybody in

1463
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 5: the NFL last year. And they finished with a winning

1464
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 5: record because they're good enough. But they missed the playoffs

1465
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 5: because they're in a track meet with Baltimore and you

1466
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 5: can't you can't get Lamar off the field because your

1467
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 5: defense is so bad So the thing that you're gonna,

1468
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 5: obviously do is get get into a pissing match with

1469
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson and then do things that would cause your

1470
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 5: first round pick so much discomfort that he is leaving

1471
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 5: his first mandatory mini camp on the final day because

1472
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: you have put language into his contract that the previous

1473
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 5: first round pick didn't even have.

1474
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 4: To deal with.

1475
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 5: It's insanity to me that the Bengals and franchises across

1476
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 5: sports like the Bengals are allowed to operate this way.

1477
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 4: It is a complete and total disservice to fans.

1478
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: Here's what I don't understand. What I don't understand is

1479
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: why any fan in the world in these situations ever

1480
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: takes the side of a team. And let me be clear,

1481
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: Like I am, as everybody knows, I'm such a Raiders fan.

1482
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean, my god, I've got a Raider's tattoo. Okay, So,

1483
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: like we understand fandom here, and I understand my team sucks.

1484
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: So I'm not throwing you know, glasshouse rocks.

1485
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing that. But let's be honest for a

1486
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: second here, I just googled it.

1487
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 2: According to Forbes, Mike Brown's networth, the owner of the

1488
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: family that owns the Bengals is three point nine billion dollars.

1489
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: Three point nine billion dollars, right, And so.

1490
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: You start thinking about what that means, and you start

1491
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: thinking about what is out there?

1492
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: Like to me, why do.

1493
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 2: Why is there a single fan in the world worry

1494
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: about Mike Brown saving a few million dollars, Like I

1495
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: don't care Mark Davis if he spends every dollar he

1496
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: has and just all this money goes out to contracts

1497
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: and it's bad and it's bad and it's bad. And

1498
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 2: he's got to fire every coach and pay every coach,

1499
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: and he's got to turn around and fire every player

1500
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: and pay every player.

1501
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: Guess what, like y'all, they can afford it. They can

1502
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: find the salary cap room. They can afford it.

1503
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: We are talking about language in a contract to protect

1504
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: the team in case of sucks, so that if that

1505
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: player gets suspended and there's an issue with that player,

1506
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: they can simply get out of paying them. Why in

1507
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: God's green earth would I want when I'm in the

1508
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: middle of what should be a Super Bowl window, I

1509
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: don't care about it. Look, if my team is going

1510
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: to win two games this year, then fine, got the

1511
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: whole thing. Just come out to a press conference and

1512
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: be like, hey, guys, we're gonna save the money this

1513
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: year because we're gonna suck. I would actually respect that.

1514
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: But when you're in a Super Bowl window and you're

1515
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: talking about minutia in a contract to get a rookie in,

1516
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: just sign the damn deal. I just just your three

1517
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: point nine billion dollars in year. Just sign the damn deal.

1518
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 4: You know what.

1519
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 5: What's got to be the most disheartening part of all

1520
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 5: of this, And it's taken me a couple of hours

1521
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 5: after kind of diving into this story as much as

1522
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 5: humanly possible before the show tonight to realize this. But FITZI,

1523
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 5: it's it's not about money necessarily. It doesn't seem to

1524
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 5: be really about money at the end of the day.

1525
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 5: It's not about winning games, obviously, because if it was,

1526
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 5: they would have these transactions done in dusted. They wouldn't

1527
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 5: have waited as long as they did the pay Jamar Chase,

1528
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,879
Speaker 5: for God's sakes. But it's about control, and it's about

1529
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 5: showing the players who's in control. And that pisses me

1530
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: off because they're more important than you as an organization.

1531
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 5: I understand that they play for your organization, and you

1532
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 5: want them to take some level of pride in playing

1533
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,959
Speaker 5: for your organization and winning for your organization and representing

1534
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 5: your organization, all these different things.

1535
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 4: But you don't win without them.

1536
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 5: They are the most important component of your organization.

1537
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 4: You do not win.

1538
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 5: You do not compete in football games without high level

1539
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 5: football players. And you have managed, in some way, shape

1540
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 5: or form to piss off the high level football players

1541
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 5: all up and down your roster to the point where

1542
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 5: the rookie who's just arrived in the NFL is receiving

1543
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 5: guidance from his own locker room that he's in the

1544
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 5: right and even publicly comfortable offering up the opinion. Well,

1545
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 5: even Trey Hendrickson is at least one percent wrong because

1546
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 5: he's still under contract.

1547
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 4: I'm one hundred per sent right here.

1548
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 5: The fact that this young kid who's just been drafted

1549
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 5: into this organization has more wherewithal and more awareness than

1550
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 5: the team that is trying to play chicken with him,

1551
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 5: it makes me insane to no end. And it makes

1552
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 5: me insane because these owners and these executives, they exist

1553
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,879
Speaker 5: everywhere in professional sports.

1554
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 4: And if say, and I know we.

1555
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 5: Have to go to break here, but say Shamar Stewart

1556
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 5: decides that he's just going to opt out of the

1557
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 5: season entirely, as Mike Florio pointed out that he would

1558
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 5: be able to do. He would be able to sit

1559
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 5: out this entire season, redeclare for the NFL Draft and

1560
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 5: get drafted by another team, basically any other team but

1561
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 5: the Bengals.

1562
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 4: Who's going to.

1563
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 5: Get hurt if he does that. It's probably going to

1564
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 5: be the player because the but hurt. NFL executives are

1565
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 5: going to look around and say, well, is he going

1566
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 5: to do this with our organization? No one person is

1567
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 5: bigger than the team. I don't know, man, sometimes they are.

1568
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: Also, we're dealing with the new era of college athlete

1569
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: that comes.

1570
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: Into the NFL Draft. In many situations, with millions of

1571
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 2: dollars in the bank from nil, they are no longer

1572
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: is desperate to take whatever somebody will give them. They

1573
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: are more willing to stand on their own two feet,

1574
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: and they're more willing to stand on principle. That's just

1575
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: part of the modern NFL. That being said, if you

1576
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: have a quarterback, you have a chance.

1577
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: We all know that.

1578
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: Culture is also created by quarterbacks, and one quarterback is

1579
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: speaking out in a way they could create culture, but

1580
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: seems polarizing. We'll tell you about it next these Buck Rising,

1581
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging out with you on a

1582
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. I think the coverage of quarterbacks is

1583
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting things about sports.

1584
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: Where we love swagger, where we don't, and by we,

1585
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't mean Buck Rising and myself Jason Fits hanging

1586
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 1: out with you on Fox Sports Saturday. It just feels

1587
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: like there's a moving goalpost of where confidence is and

1588
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: where cockiness lies. And I don't understand all the time

1589
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: what the expectation should be.

1590
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: And Buck, you know this better than anybody because you

1591
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 2: are covering I would argue the most forgotten first overall

1592
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: pick in NFL history, and I genuinely mean that, like

1593
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: I genuinely believe that cam Ward is the most forgotten

1594
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 2: first overall pick we have ever seen in league history,

1595
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: especially at quarterback.

1596
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you can make an argument for like Eric.

1597
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Fisher whatever, like officly Ago, Yeah, yeah, I guess Trayvon

1598
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 2: Walker's might be a good one too, Like Trayvon Walker

1599
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: to the Jazzy.

1600
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 4: South, Send him on down here, you'll forget all about him.

1601
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: But but you grate on a curve though, when we

1602
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: include quarterback, that's why, Like you know, so, this is

1603
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: not Cam Ward, the fullback that was drafted first overall.

1604
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: This is Cam Woard, the quarterback drafted first overall in

1605
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: the NFL, and we forget about him. And it's hard

1606
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: to forget about him though right now where you are

1607
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: because confidence, that's just say, Confidence has been a little

1608
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: bit of a conversation point with him, specifically in Whether

1609
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,879
Speaker 1: or Not You Can Mess.

1610
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 4: With Him book.

1611
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 5: It has been fascinating to watch the dialogue around the

1612
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 5: number one overall pick, and it's been a while since

1613
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 5: the Titans have had the number one overall pick. The

1614
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 5: last time they had it, they traded it to the

1615
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 5: Rams and it became Jared Goff, and of course, famously

1616
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 5: things played out the way that they did from there.

1617
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 4: So when an infinitely forgettable.

1618
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 5: Franchise drafts a player at the position that is supposed

1619
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,440
Speaker 5: to be the most important is definitively the most important,

1620
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 5: and that player is not enough to make that franchise

1621
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 5: relevant just by nature of him getting drafted there.

1622
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 4: The coverage of this.

1623
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 5: Of this guy is going to be fascinating on a

1624
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 5: local level, obviously, it's and I'm here in Nashville. For

1625
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 5: those of you who are just now jumping in with

1626
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 5: us on Fox Sports Radio. I cover the Titans day

1627
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 5: to day. I got every practice to the I cover

1628
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 5: the draft, I go to press conferences. That cam Ward's

1629
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 5: career is going to be my entire life for the

1630
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,879
Speaker 5: next you know, however long cam Ward lasts in Tennessee,

1631
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 5: provided that they don't fire me here, and cam Ward

1632
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 5: does nothing but get out there and bust his butt

1633
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 5: and make all of these professional athletes and coaches and

1634
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 5: executives here in Nashville fall in love with the kind

1635
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 5: of player he is, not just because he's a consensus

1636
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 5: number one overall pick, but because he's just about the work.

1637
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 5: He's no frills, and so when he bears his teeth

1638
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 5: at you a little bit or shows you a little

1639
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 5: bit of what gives him the supreme confidence to go

1640
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 5: out there and execute as a player at the most

1641
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 5: important position, and you don't necessarily like the way that

1642
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 5: he sounds when he's doing it. It creates this interesting

1643
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 5: conversation between even him and his new fan base, who

1644
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 5: were conflicted about the level of confidence that cam Ward

1645
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 5: is comfortable showing publicly, let's hear from cam Ward. This

1646
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 5: was his media availability after the final day of Titan's

1647
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 5: mandatory mini camp on Thursday.

1648
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: Has it been the last three days for many camp.

1649
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 11: He's been good for growing learning, especially being with the

1650
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 11: Vets getting our timing down.

1651
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for the summer.

1652
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 4: What you're playing.

1653
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 12: For the next five to six weeks before you report

1654
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 12: the camp and when you gather with your receivers and

1655
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 12: some of the other quarterbacks and go over the things,

1656
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 12: just to kind of refresh everybody.

1657
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 11: Uh, just worked out standing playbook and.

1658
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 4: Got the ball.

1659
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 5: So let's say good back and forth with you and Jeffrey.

1660
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess by his first day back, what's that been like,

1661
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: and what's it been like? Kind of exchange and try

1662
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: to talk.

1663
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 4: With the defense.

1664
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 11: He's been good. I need somebody like that, especially somebody

1665
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 11: like jeff Wh're gonna let you know he there every time.

1666
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 11: He's one of the best defensive tackles in the league,

1667
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 11: if not the best. I'm glad he's on my team.

1668
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 11: I'm glad he's not one of the ones who gets

1669
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 11: a chance to get a free shot at me. But

1670
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 11: I mean I'm happy I'm playing with him. I know,

1671
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 11: I know he's you know, excited about my future, but

1672
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 11: you know, I can't wait to get on the field

1673
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 11: with him on Sundays.

1674
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 4: It's really good.

1675
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 8: One said yesterday that he had to ask you if

1676
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 8: it was okay to put a play call when you're

1677
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 8: still talking with Jeff. How are you able to focus

1678
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 8: and kind of duel like that And how much does

1679
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 8: the trash tack kind of you up or lock you in.

1680
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 11: I'm always locked in. The trash talk will never mean

1681
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 11: nothing to me. It won't get to me in some

1682
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 11: type of where I'm just somebody who likes doing it.

1683
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 11: And so what's the point of playing something that you

1684
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 11: love you can't have fun with it? So you know

1685
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 11: that's where it comes from. But I mean, I love

1686
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 11: the game is so any chance I'll get, you know,

1687
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 11: to let somebody know that they can't do me. It

1688
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 11: really doesn't matter the authentic.

1689
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 5: He's talking about Jeffrey Simmons there, one of you know,

1690
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 5: Jeff's not the best defensive tackle in the league, but

1691
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 5: he's a really good player, and many people nationally may

1692
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 5: not know that. But this, this dude, Fitzy, I couldn't

1693
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 5: believe the level of blowback that I got on a

1694
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 5: local level when cam Ward just dropped an F bomb,

1695
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 5: a couple of f bombs in the middle of that,

1696
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 5: because quarterbacks aren't supposed to talk that way. Quarterbacks are

1697
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 5: supposed to carry themselves differently. Who do you want this

1698
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 5: dude to be? Do you want him to be a

1699
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 5: cold blooded killer? Do you want him to be a

1700
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 5: pacifist who's just trying to keep the level. I'm very

1701
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 5: confused by the reaction to cam Ward, at least here

1702
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 5: in Nashville.

1703
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm confused by the reaction of cam Ward in

1704
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: every possible sense. We've spent so much time talking about

1705
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 2: what he isn't because of last year's quarterback draft class

1706
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: that at some point we have to acknowledge who he

1707
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 2: is today, And to your point, who he needs to

1708
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 2: be is that guy you've got to change the culture

1709
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: of a bad organization. You don't do that by coming

1710
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: in and being soft. You come in and you have

1711
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: to be aggressive. I think this is a landmark portion

1712
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 2: of why cam Ward was drafted first.

1713
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: Overall.

1714
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 2: I think it's part of why he's going to be

1715
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,799
Speaker 2: wildly successful. I think it's why he has a shot

1716
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 2: in this league. We'll keep breaking down cam Ward. Plus

1717
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: we'll get you updated on what's going on right now

1718
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: in that Stanley Cup playoffs.

1719
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: Next, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

1720
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 2: After two games in three days at an absolutely frantic

1721
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: pace to what we've seen in the NBA Finals, we

1722
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: now get a couple of days, a couple of days

1723
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: to reset, and a couple of days before one fan

1724
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: base decides that this guy is falling and the series

1725
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: is as good as done.

1726
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: But I'm not willing to buy into any of that.

1727
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: I think this might be not just one of the best,

1728
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: but by far one of the most unpredictable NBA Finals

1729
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: series we've ever seen.

1730
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

1731
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 2: It's to Bucking Fits Takeover on Fox Sports Saturday on

1732
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, coming at you live from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios, and admittedly Buck a big Pacers fan.

1734
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: We started the show with a long distance hug as

1735
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: I try to get you.

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 5: I don't want your hug. Yeah, get away from me.

1737
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 5: I don't want your virtual hug. I don't want your

1738
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 5: person hung out. I want your hugs. Get out of here.

1739
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: I am I am such a you know damn well,

1740
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm a great hugger, all right, you know you want it,

1741
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: you know you need it, Okay, you know that, Like

1742
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'd walk up to

1743
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: you in a bar and you'd say, get away from me,

1744
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: get away from me, and I would do I would

1745
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: do two things.

1746
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: I would I would walk up to.

1747
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: You, I would present you with two very very very

1748
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 2: chilled shots at tequila and then I would say, but

1749
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: I gotta get a hug, And then I get the hug.

1750
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: You know this, like you take the shots, I wouldn't.

1751
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 2: I'd make you take both shots and then get you

1752
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: a little looped up and bammed before you know it,

1753
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 2: long embrace and in the middle of a bar in Nashville.

1754
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 5: Listen to me, the only thing that those two tequila

1755
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 5: shots would invite is violence upon you, especially if you

1756
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 5: were trying to hug me in the midst of me

1757
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 5: having I mean, a meltdown is probably too strong a word.

1758
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 5: But the words that I lobbed at Matherin as he

1759
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 5: was missing those free throws at the end of the game,

1760
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 5: or probably not. I mean, I know they're not saying

1761
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 5: for FCC safe Aaron. I take them back respectfully because

1762
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 5: he's been a good player and has helped keep the

1763
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: Indiana Pacers in this series.

1764
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 4: But you, I mean we should again.

1765
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 5: These are the kind of questions that we should put

1766
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 5: on a pole if we were doing poles. And by

1767
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 5: the way, you can send us your worst public moments

1768
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 5: while watching your sports team at Buck Rising at Jason

1769
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 5: Fitz at Fox Sports Radios. We're hanging out here with

1770
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 5: you on a Fox Sports Saturday. But like, you can't

1771
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 5: be a good hugger if you only come up to

1772
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 5: about nipple height on me.

1773
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 4: Like, I don't think there's enough.

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 5: There's not enough of you to satisfy the requirements for

1775
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 5: me of a good hug.

1776
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, I don't know that the world

1777
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: wanted the image of me and your nipples.

1778
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: But number two and this is.

1779
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Four to put you Okay, Look, look, I just went

1780
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: to the doctor the other day and I got measured

1781
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: in and I actually asked them to take a picture.

1782
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: They wouldn't because we were in a medical facility. Like, nobody.

1783
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 4: About hippo.

1784
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: Five nine in a quarter? All right, I am five

1785
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: nine in a quarter, y'all. Make it sound like I'm

1786
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 2: five five. I am five nine in a quarter. And

1787
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: if i'd spiked my hair up, might have made it

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: to five nine and a half.

1789
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1790
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1791
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: It's five nine in a quarter.

1792
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: And you're making it sound like, hey, you are not

1793
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: Andre the Giant, so I don't think I'm quite nipple

1794
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 2: height and b I'm not you know, I'm not Shakira.

1795
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: So I'm just I just want to point out that,

1796
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: like I am a normal sized human being. I cannot

1797
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 2: help it that you're like, you know, six two are

1798
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 2: you six two six?

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01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 5: I'm six two six two and six three and heels

1800
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:57,959
Speaker 5: depending on the deck. Ian Mary Prince around awfully awfully

1801
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 5: defensive for somebody who has to justify, especially when you

1802
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 5: start to use fractions around your height, like nobody believes

1803
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 5: in me.

1804
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 7: I can't say anything. I'm five for.

1805
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I'm thank you.

1806
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 7: I'm five eleven, which is like one of the worst

1807
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 7: heights he can be because like you always see those

1808
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 7: memes where it's the difference, but you know, like five

1809
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 7: eleven six foot and it's like you know, it'll show,

1810
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 7: you know, a vertically challenge individual versus like Yao ming.

1811
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 5: I'm just working around the hobits And I didn't realize them.

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 2: Okay, we are not gonna be pc enough on the

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Speaker 2: show to say vertically challenged. We're just gonna say short,

1814
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 2: all right. And I just want to admit, like I

1815
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: was normal sized in high school, by the way, Like

1816
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 2: I just want to point out like I was normal sized.

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01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what has happened.

1818
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 2: Like I was at a Rivals event last year with

1819
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of high school juniors and seniors that are

1820
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: all five stars for a five star camp, and I

1821
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: was standing next to Mac Jones, the quarterback because we

1822
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 2: were in Jacksonville, and even Mack looked around and he's like, man,

1823
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: they didn't make them this size when I was in high.

1824
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: School, which wasn't that long ago. Like what is happening.

1825
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening to everybody that everybody's becoming huge.

1826
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: I was normal sized. I refuse to admit that I

1827
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: am now short, five nine, five nines.

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: Look, I wear a nine and a half shoe, like

1829
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: the most average sized shoe in America. I'm five nine,

1830
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: that's about average for hike. Come on, like all of

1831
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: these things are average.

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01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 4: He's just he's just like a little He's just like

1833
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 4: a little baby.

1834
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 5: With his tiny little shoes and his you know, his

1835
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 5: spiked up hair, giving him an extra inshirt.

1836
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 4: It's so cute.

1837
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 5: So if you tried to hug me, what I would

1838
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 5: immediately turn around and do to you is like just

1839
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 5: pinch you on the cheek as if you were a

1840
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 5: small child and send you on your way.

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01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 4: Get out of him.

1842
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: Hey, if he's literally baby right, I will take my

1843
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 1: frozen grapes and I will enjoy my frozen grapes.

1844
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 4: A power grapes.

1845
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 5: Now, baby, talk to me about my losing basketball team.

1846
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: Try if you try and pat me on the head,

1847
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: I will absolutely but your nipples.

1848
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: All right.

1849
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: So, now that we've made America uncomfortable, he's buck rising

1850
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: on Jason Fitz. I'm sorry, I don't know how that happened. Well,

1851
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, the things are getting weird on a Saturday night.

1852
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: That's what happens when we had out.

1853
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: Uh. There is this element of I'm just gonna be

1854
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: the caution guy.

1855
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: Okay, because there's this series right now is tied to

1856
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 2: to and here, what's gonna happen if Indiana wins the

1857
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: next game and goes up three to two, what's everybody

1858
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: gonna say, Well, you better take care of him now

1859
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: because you don't want to get Oklahoma City in a

1860
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 2: game seven. All right, that's what that the entire narrative

1861
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 2: is gonna be. You don't want to get Oklahoma City

1862
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: in a game seven. If Indiana loses, it's gonna be

1863
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 2: this series is basically wrapped up. Indiana's got Indiana's done now,

1864
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: Like it is wild to me how how hard we

1865
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: are working to bury the Pacers when all the Pacers

1866
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: have done is gotten to two to two in this series.

1867
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I just at some point we have to.

1868
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 2: Step back and start acknowledging that I don't care what

1869
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: their seating was coming into the playoffs. I heard the

1870
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: guys be before us talking about the fact that you know,

1871
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: a one seed versus a four seed feels like it's Look,

1872
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 2: I don't care about the seating because regular season basketball

1873
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.

1874
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: So let's just.

1875
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 2: Kind of admit here that whatever we thought this the

1876
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: series would be should only be shaped by what we've

1877
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: seen in the playoffs. And what we've seen in the playoffs.

1878
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: Stop me if you've heard this before, is two teams

1879
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: with incredible depth, two teams with stars against stand up,

1880
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: two teams that find a way to win games, even

1881
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: when you think they're out of them.

1882
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: I just I refuse to admit that the Pacers are

1883
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: left for dead no matter what the outcome of the

1884
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 2: next game is.

1885
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 5: I agree with you, and it's not just because I'm

1886
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 5: biased here and I can't give you objective analysis about

1887
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 5: one of my favorite teams. And I am standing for

1888
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 5: the Indiana Pacers. And I do have my sad boy

1889
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 5: radio hat on today as I mourn the loss yes

1890
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 5: last night, and I be and I take it very,

1891
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 5: very emotionally, and I behave as if I'm a you know,

1892
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 5: a high school child at this point, throwing a fit

1893
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 5: all day and then wallowing in my misery after the fact.

1894
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: The Indiana Pacers are not left for dead. But it's tough,

1895
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 5: and we talked about this in the first hour fits

1896
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 5: he It's tough for me as a fan to kind

1897
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 5: of reconcile, allright, tw two, Going back to OKC, if

1898
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 5: you gave me that scenario in any other world, I

1899
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 5: would feel confident as hell. I think the Pacers are

1900
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 5: about as cocky a four seed, by the way, and

1901
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 5: not cocky, but as confident as sure of themselves as

1902
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 5: a four seed has been in recent memory two to two.

1903
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 5: Going back to OKC, I would feel on top of

1904
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 5: the world. I'm like, they've got a shot. They were

1905
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 5: nine and a half point underdogs in Game one. If

1906
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 5: they pull off the upset of this NBA Finals series,

1907
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 5: it would be one of the biggest upsets in the

1908
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 5: history of the NBA Finals. And I know OKAC to

1909
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 5: have a truly better basketball player than anybody on Indiana

1910
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 5: is SGA is a legitimate star. Halliburton is building his

1911
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 5: lore throughout the course of the playoffs and has given

1912
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 5: star power to the Indiana Pacers. He is now a

1913
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 5: name brand commodity at this point, but it's just been

1914
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 5: until recently, and it took beating the Knicks right for

1915
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,839
Speaker 5: him to really get put on that kind of pedestal

1916
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 5: for lack of a better term, as opposed to just

1917
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 5: being the most overrated player as voted on bias Peers,

1918
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 5: the Pacers are not left for dead, but they are

1919
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 5: suspect only because they don't have a player on that

1920
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 5: roster that's as good as SGA. And at the end

1921
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 5: of the day, even though this is one of the

1922
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 5: most unpredictable NBA Finals series that you could probably come

1923
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 5: up with and I would agree with you in that sentiment.

1924
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 5: I'm still going to take the most talented team over

1925
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 5: the team that has better dynamics and really really good

1926
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 5: role players like what they're getting across the board from

1927
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 5: guys like Nemhard and TJ.

1928
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 4: McConnell and all.

1929
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 5: The other play Matherin even though he came up short

1930
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 5: last night in the final moments that were frustrating. Right

1931
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 5: to lose that game on free throws when you know

1932
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 5: it's infinitely winnable. That's the thing that's stuck in my

1933
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 5: crawl about the way that last night's game went because.

1934
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 4: I could have been up three to one. It was

1935
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 4: a very winnable game.

1936
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 5: And I say this me but Pacers, they could have

1937
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 5: been up three to one, the series at that point would.

1938
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 4: Have essentially been over. No matter how much.

1939
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 5: OKC would push them to potentially a game seven. There's

1940
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 5: reason to believe that they would because they are the

1941
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 5: best team in the NBA this year. It's the frustration

1942
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 5: of how they lost that game that it was there

1943
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 5: in their grasp that.

1944
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 4: They had the Fitzy.

1945
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 5: They had the biggest lead in that game of any

1946
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 5: game this series, and they found ways to squander it

1947
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 5: down the stretch and OKC made up that gap right

1948
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 5: They started to hit, They started to hit their shots

1949
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 5: more regularly. It was it was better defense down the

1950
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 5: stretch from OKC as well.

1951
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:34,799
Speaker 4: Indiana.

1952
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 5: Fundamentally, things like free throws, they're going to kill you

1953
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 5: at the end, especially when you're playing a guy like

1954
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 5: SGA who can get to the line as frequently as

1955
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 5: he does, even if the free throws weren't a huge

1956
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 5: part of his game last night.

1957
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: It's that in your grasp and.

1958
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 5: In fact comfortable lead, seeing that slip away and knowing

1959
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 5: that you're going back on the road to OKAC when

1960
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 5: you had the ability to shut them down at home.

1961
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 4: That's the thing that drives me crazy. Despite being two

1962
01:28:58,720 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 4: to two.

1963
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: It does all of that. I understand why it drives

1964
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: you crazy.

1965
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: I just would I would beg people to think about

1966
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 2: five guys in double digits, five different guys in double

1967
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: digits on Indiana and the mark of this series. I

1968
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: feel like every time of the broadcast they tell us

1969
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: that I think it was the last game where early

1970
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 2: on it was, oh my god, you can't practice for

1971
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: the level of a defensive intensity that you get from

1972
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City.

1973
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: That was the narrative early on in the game.

1974
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 2: You also can't practice for the way Indiana wears everybody down,

1975
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 2: and at some point it's part of your DNA.

1976
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: At some point it is not luck. It is just

1977
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: part of how you're wired.

1978
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: And I feel like Indiana's depth, which we talk a

1979
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 2: lot about okay See's depth, but Indiana's depth is capable

1980
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: of pushing teams longer into the game. And while it's

1981
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: a cliche that belongs in Disney movies in high school

1982
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: basketball of we're gonna run harder than everybody, I understand

1983
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: that that's a cliche, it does feel like that is

1984
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 2: what Indiana is capable of doing. Now, it didn't happen

1985
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: in the last game, and it's the first game so

1986
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: far in this series where it felt like, come down

1987
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 2: the stretch, Indiana was the one that sort of fell

1988
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: off the path a little bit. Indiana ran out of

1989
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: gas a little bit, Oklahoma City started hitting more shots,

1990
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: SGA got some good looks than that mid range stuff,

1991
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 2: and Scott Foster had some regrettable calls. I think all

1992
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 2: of these things together created part of the conversation.

1993
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: But now we end up with the series.

1994
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: That's to two, and as much as we want to

1995
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: just talk about the box score, I think the way

1996
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 2: the games have played out to me gives me more faith.

1997
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I have more faith today.

1998
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: In Indiana being able to win this series than I

1999
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: did before Game one, and that's because of the way

2000
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: these games have actually played out. That being said, I

2001
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 2: just mentioned Scott Foster. It's one of the most polarizing

2002
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: things in this entire series, not about either team, but

2003
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 2: about the guy who's officiating game. And at some point,

2004
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: as much as we want to blame Scott, I'll blame

2005
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: the NBA and I'll tell you about it. Why next,

2006
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: he's buck Rising Up, Jason Fitz We're hanging out with you.

2007
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 2: It's Bucking Fits on a Fox Sports Saturday takeover on

2008
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. The chance to go up to Gillette

2009
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: and see Post Malone and Jelly Roll and my buddy

2010
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Derek Wells. If d Well's a big shout out, is

2011
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 2: the musical director for Post Malone.

2012
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: He's also an incredible guitarist, producer that's all over a

2013
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: bunch of albums.

2014
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: If you've heard anything out of Nashville in the last

2015
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: ten years, you've consumed Derek Well's music and guy's.

2016
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Like a brother to me.

2017
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: He is the musical director for Post Malone show, so

2018
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 2: I've had the chance to see it a couple of times,

2019
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: and I wanted to see the stadium show.

2020
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: It was everything I hoped it would be. Post was

2021
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible.

2022
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 2: But I went into that show nervously excited to see

2023
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 2: jelly Roll, somebody that from a distance I'm a big

2024
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: fan of, but I've never seen him live, and it

2025
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 2: might I walked away from that thinking that it might

2026
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 2: be the best country show I've ever seen in my life.

2027
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever seen a more connective performer,

2028
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 2: a more just authentic dude on stage his band. I

2029
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: mean there were like eleven people up there, twelve people

2030
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 2: up there including the back of singers and whole thing.

2031
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: And one of his backup singers was just I mean,

2032
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, like she was a straight conduit from

2033
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 2: the audience to God, like she was bringing it. But

2034
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: just the way that Jelly Roll approached that entire show.

2035
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 2: Like we talk about snarky. I don't pay for tickets

2036
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 2: to concerts, usually give them my background. It's just not

2037
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 2: something like if I don't have great seats that somebody

2038
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: gives me.

2039
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't usually go the first to admit that I

2040
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: would pay.

2041
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: I would pay whatever it took to see a Jelly

2042
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Roll show again, Like that was.

2043
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I was surreal.

2044
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: So I got to give Jelly a shout out for

2045
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 2: just being I mean, I still get goosebumps thinking about it,

2046
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 2: and I haven't stopped listening to the music since this

2047
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 2: all life.

2048
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 4: Well, you know, he's my boy, that's my guy down here.

2049
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, you know famous people.

2050
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 5: You spent enough time in a city like Nashville, you

2051
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 5: probably go it's just cool. And I agree wholeheartedly with

2052
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 5: everything that you said about him. And we'll get back

2053
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 5: to sports here on a Fox Sports Saturday here in

2054
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 5: just a second.

2055
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 4: But Jelly's also die hard.

2056
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 5: I mean they're both Post and Jelly Roll, both die

2057
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 5: hard Sorts fans. And Jelly's actually a listener to the

2058
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 5: local show. And he invited me to that Music City

2059
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 5: rodeo show the night before he played that show with

2060
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 5: Post at Gillette that I know you saw, and you

2061
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 5: know this, this should be a finable offense. We do

2062
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 5: make it a finable offense for me. When I start

2063
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 5: to name drop or talk about people in my rolodex,

2064
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 5: on the local show, so perhaps we come up with

2065
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 5: a fine system too when I do it nationally. But

2066
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 5: he called into the show the day of the rodeo

2067
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 5: and invited me to come down and hang out and

2068
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 5: you know, do a little backstage stuff where ironically enough,

2069
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 5: Vince McMahon was hanging out. I was stunned. It was

2070
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 5: like seeing a ghost. I was confused. I had not

2071
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 5: seen Vince McMahon obviously in person ever in my life.

2072
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 5: But other than that Netflix documentary that came out that

2073
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 5: was not a very good look for Vince McMahon. That's

2074
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 5: the first time I've seen him appear anywhere publicly or privately.

2075
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,719
Speaker 5: So that was an interesting experience for sure. But FITZI,

2076
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 5: he's the first one of my friends to I mean,

2077
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 5: you both would fit this category, even though he's doing

2078
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 5: things differently and you were obviously in a different role

2079
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 5: during your time in the music industry.

2080
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 4: You guys are my friends that.

2081
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 5: Like made it, you know, like you see so many

2082
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 5: starving artist types come to Nashville, when in reality, Nashville

2083
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 5: is where you come once you've made it anymore in

2084
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: the music business, as opposed to starting your or scratching

2085
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 5: out a living here and then making your way up

2086
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 5: so to see Jelly do it as as a hometown

2087
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 5: hero here in Nashville, Tennessee, where I'm broadcasting from tonight.

2088
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 4: I know you're up in Connecticut.

2089
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 5: To see him be embraced by the country the way

2090
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 5: that he has been in this pivot from rapper who

2091
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 5: was selling mixtapes outside of tin roof across the street

2092
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 5: from where I'm doing a show right now, to you know,

2093
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 5: headlining a European concert tour with Post Malone and being

2094
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 5: American Idols artist and residence. It's just it's a very

2095
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 5: I'm like a proud stage mom when I go to

2096
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 5: see his shows and stuff like that anytime he's in town,

2097
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm glad that we got the opportunity

2098
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 5: to shout our boy out because he's making the city

2099
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 5: that I live in and I love in a city

2100
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 5: I know that's near and dear to your heart here

2101
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 5: in Nashville, Tennessee.

2102
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 4: Very very proud. So now let's talk about some basketball.

2103
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 7: Wait, Buck, what do you what do you even? What

2104
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 7: do you call Jelly Roll? You want a first name,

2105
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 7: bade you call it? I just looked it up. His

2106
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 7: first name is Jason do you call him Jason or

2107
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 7: Jelly Jelly.

2108
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 5: So we played in this pseudo celebrity softball That's it's

2109
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 5: funny because my mom has recently discovered Jelly Roll because

2110
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 5: he's mainstream now, which is wild to me.

2111
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 4: But he was.

2112
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 5: She was asking me about about Jelly's wife. Her name

2113
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 5: is Bunny, and she's like, well, my mom was asking it.

2114
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 5: So it's her last name, Bunny Roll DeFord, because that's

2115
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 5: Jelly's last name is government name. By the way, recently

2116
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 5: got a pardon so that he can do this international

2117
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 5: tour as a convicted felon in his background. One of

2118
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 5: the craziest stories of all time. But yeah, anytime, anytime

2119
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 5: I'm around him, it's Jelly uh Ian. And so it's

2120
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 5: a funny story. How we met. We were playing in

2121
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 5: this minor league baseball pseudo celebrity softball game a couple

2122
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 5: of years ago. This was he was, you know, notable,

2123
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 5: but he hadn't hit it big yet. He was still

2124
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 5: opening respectfully to Shindown. He was still opening for an

2125
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 5: act like Shinedown, and now you know, couldn't really hold

2126
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 5: his job.

2127
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 4: At this point.

2128
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 5: And no, no disrespect to Shindown is an act Terry

2129
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 5: Bradshaw was our coach in that game because his bourbon

2130
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 5: his bourbon company was sponsoring it.

2131
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 4: So Jelly had me ripping.

2132
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 5: Hot cosamigas tequila shots in the dugout while Terry Bradshaw

2133
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 5: was barking out, Hey, donut hole, go run some routes

2134
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 5: for me and throwing passes to Jelly roll during the game.

2135
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 5: It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in

2136
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 5: my life. And if this was the local show, I

2137
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 5: would have been fined like seventeen times for all the

2138
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 5: different names I just dropped.

2139
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no fines for dropping names. I can't help

2140
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 2: the fact that we have famous friends. That's just the

2141
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 2: way it goes by the way. I made it in

2142
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 2: a way that I paid my bills and got to

2143
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 2: see the world. Jelly made it in the way that

2144
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: he gets to write private jets.

2145
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: Student.

2146
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: That's a much different version of made it famous for

2147
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 2: Also shout out to my buddy Chris Young. While we're

2148
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 2: not dropping names. It was his birthday the other day,

2149
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 2: so I know, see why listen.

2150
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 4: That's gratuitous. Find him? Do we have it nottuitous?

2151
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 5: That's completely unrelated to the conversation I want to find show.

2152
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: You said famous friends. I'm not. Look, I make no

2153
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 1: bones about it, Lott.

2154
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 4: Now it's just evolved.

2155
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 5: In who's the most famous person on your phone that

2156
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 5: we can FaceTime, which we should honestly play sometime. O.

2157
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: God, I don't you know that's such a that's a

2158
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: difficult question. That is a difficult question because I got

2159
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 2: so many famous people in my phone. He's buck rising

2160
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 2: on Jason Fitz. I hate myself right now the way

2161
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 2: I said that. Shortly after the show, our pod goes up.

2162
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: If you missed any of today's show we actually talked

2163
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 2: about short the sports, I promise be sure to check

2164
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 2: out the pod. Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you

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Speaker 1: You'll see today's show posted right after we get off

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01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: the air.

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Speaker 2: I've got plenty to say about Scott Foster, but it's

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01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 2: not his fault.

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01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: It's a it's a long conversation. Let's bring in Steve Early.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get Steve to Seger to come in, get

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Speaker 2: us caught up on what's going on in the world.

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Speaker 2: Of Sports, so we can explain to you why it's

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Speaker 2: not Scott's fault.

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Speaker 9: Steve, what do you got a couple notable baseball items

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01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 9: in a moment, but we've got scoring more of it.

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Speaker 9: In Game five of the Stanley Cup Final, it is

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01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 9: Florida leading four to one at Edmonton with about ten

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01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 9: minutes to go in the third series for the moment

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Speaker 9: tied at two. Brad Marshan with two more goals tonight.

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Speaker 9: That's ten in this postseason. Sam Bennett with his fifteenth

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Speaker 9: Sam Reinhart has scored tonight as well. Florida looking to

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Speaker 9: go up three games to two, and Florida would host

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01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 9: Game six on Tuesday. The NBA Finals continue Monday. WNBA

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01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 9: Indiana beat New York Caitlin Clark thirty two points. Sam

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01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 9: Burns leads the US Open by one stroke. Now to

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Speaker 9: Major League Baseball, Arizona has just scored five runs in

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01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 9: the bottom of the ninth to beat the Padres eight

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Speaker 9: to seven. They beat the closer with the most saves

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01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 9: in the Majors this year. Robert Suarez takes the loss.

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01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 9: He has twenty one saves. His ERA was one point

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01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 9: seven eight. He gave us up five in the ninth.

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01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 9: Arizona has won five in a row. The Diamondbacks were

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Speaker 9: facing a San Diego team that was only two games

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01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 9: back in the division to start the evening. The Giants

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01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,759
Speaker 9: and Dodgers are tied for first in the NL West.

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Speaker 9: At Dodger Stadium, sho heeo Tani has hit a leadoff

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01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 9: homer as twenty fourth round tripper of the year. It

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Speaker 9: is now Dodgers one nothing in the bottom of the

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Speaker 9: second against rival San Francisco. The other late games at Seattle,

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01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 9: Mariners two nothing over Cleveland in the top of the third.

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01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 9: Boston beat the Yankees on Fox TV four to three.

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01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 9: It was a four to nothing lead after six innings.

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01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 9: Yankees DH gen Carlos Stan could be activated next week.

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 9: Atlanta four to one over Colorado. The Rockies record now

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01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 9: thirteen and fifty seven. The As sent Kansas City to

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Speaker 9: a fifth straight loss for nothing. Saint Louis won eight

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01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 9: to five at Milwaukee. Houston with a run bottom of

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01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 9: the ninth beat Minnesota three to two. That's four straight

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01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 9: victories for Houston. Baltimore held on six' five over The.

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01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 9: Angels Mike trout did hit a two run homer in

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01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 9: the first he's betting two six for The halos this.

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01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 9: Year texas won in eleven innings five to four over

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01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,759
Speaker 9: The White. Sox philadelphia Edge toronto thanks to a solo

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01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 9: homer bottom of the eighth By Max, kepler three to

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01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 9: two over The Blue. Jays Tampa bay beat The mets

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01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 9: In New york again eight to. Four wins For, cincinnati The,

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01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 9: cubs And, miami which won four to three At. Washington

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01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 9: The nationals have lost seven in a. Row in, fact

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01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 9: The NAT's got two runs bottom of the ninth on

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01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 9: a wild pitch and an, error but left base is

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01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 9: loaded and lost.

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Speaker 4: Again back to, you.

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01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 2: He's buck rising On Jason Fitz's Bucking fits On Fox Sports.

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01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Saturday On Fox Sports, Radio Scott, foster THE nba, ref

2228
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: was in the news yesterday because, well he officiated last night's.

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01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 2: Game and what do you, know last night's game had

2230
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 2: a bunch of, fowls and you had some misted fowls

2231
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 2: along the way and some just just gratuos.

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01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: Moments of the.

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01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 13: Replays Assault, now inconsistency is my biggest issue With, scott

2234
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 13: where it feels like One, scott LIKE i know, him

2235
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 13: but you, know it feels like one minute he's calling it.

2236
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 2: Tight in the next, minute he's letting him, play AND

2237
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: i don't understand what's. Happening But, buck here's my. Thing

2238
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 2: it's not his fault. Anymore he is who he is

2239
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 2: as an. Official is the NBA's fault for putting him

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01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: on a. Game AND i don't care if he grades

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01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 2: out at a level that should allow him to get

2242
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 2: AN Nba finals.

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01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: Assignment at some point you have to understand the.

2244
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 2: Reality and the reality Is twitter shouldn't be all a

2245
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 2: buzz about a ref in a. Game and long before

2246
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 2: this game even tipped, off what Was TWITTER x talking, About,

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01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh Scott foster's on the.

2248
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Game we all know what that. Means the league's gonna

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01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 1: get third.

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Speaker 2: Way all of these conspiracy theories are so real at

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01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 2: this point THAT i feel like you cannot bury your

2252
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 2: head in the. Sand it's not worth the conversation that

2253
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 2: takes away from the game from having him be on the.

2254
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 2: Sidelines to, me at some, point if You're Adam, silver

2255
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 2: you got to look around and, SAY i don't want

2256
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 2: anything to distract from two great teams in two great

2257
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 2: cities with two great. Players so even if he deserves the,

2258
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: ASSIGNMENT i, simply we wouldn't Put Scott foster on a

2259
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 2: game because it's not worth what it does to devalue

2260
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:05,759
Speaker 2: the overall.

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01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 5: Product let me ask you, This, so as A raiders,

2262
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 5: fan do you check who the officials are before Every raiders?

2263
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 4: Game?

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01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: No BUT i know a lot of For RAIDER fanci

2265
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: do many.

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01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 5: REFS i you, Know i'm not somebody who does this

2267
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 5: like throughout the course of the regular. Season but playoff

2268
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 5: games are different for obvious. Reasons AND i will go

2269
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 5: and see who the official assignments are for the upcoming,

2270
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 5: games especially when we get to THE Nba. Finals And

2271
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 5: i'm telling, you WHEN i Saw Scott foster was one

2272
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 5: of the three officials For game four of THE Nba

2273
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 5: finals last, NIGHT i JUST i started.

2274
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 4: To get a little.

2275
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 5: QUEASY i he has become have you heard Of do

2276
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 5: you know his?

2277
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 4: Nickname?

2278
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 5: No, they at least in some circles call him the,

2279
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 5: extender all, Right, because whether it's real or whether it's,

2280
01:42:55,439 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 5: imagined some of these questionable calls that affect out to

2281
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 5: playoff series and may or may not ultimately end up

2282
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 5: extending the series with lead fans like. Me And i'm

2283
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 5: An Indiana pacers fan for those of you who haven't

2284
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 5: been listening with us throughout the course of the show

2285
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 5: or every time That fitzie AND i jump On Fox Sports.

2286
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 5: Radio BUT i am A pacers fan And i'm miserable

2287
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 5: today because there are.

2288
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 4: A couple of calls in that game that it would be,

2289
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 4: very very easy for me.

2290
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 5: To make the case felt like it was going against

2291
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 5: the home team in ways that would allow it to

2292
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 5: extend the, series including a, blatant blatant miss. Trapped, listen

2293
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,440
Speaker 5: let me take nothing away FROM. Sga Shay Giljess alexander

2294
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 5: has been. Excellent he's THE mvp of The National Basketball.

2295
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 5: Association he is an absolute. Stud so IF i have

2296
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 5: to lose TO, sga that's, fine but let it be

2297
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 5: BECAUSE sga was, great and it not Because Scott foster

2298
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 5: misses a blatant travel before drilling an absolute key jump

2299
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 5: shot that GAVE okac that late lead ONE o, four

2300
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 5: ONE oho. Three Because indiana after THAT vici never led.

2301
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 5: Again so it will send the conspiracy theorist fans like

2302
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 5: myself when it comes to egregious things committed against our team,

2303
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 5: again real or, imagined it will send me into a.

2304
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 5: Spiral and it was one of the. Things, yes, correct it.

2305
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 4: Is it is The.

2306
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 5: Extender we could do a whole series of conspiracy theories

2307
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 5: on The.

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01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 4: Extender i'm Sure Chris paul would like.

2309
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 5: To weigh in on the long and storied history Of

2310
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 5: Scott foster as The. Extender it's just where my head.

2311
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 5: GOES i wish THAT i wasn't like. THAT i Know

2312
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 5: i'm supposed to not be like that because we are

2313
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 5: sports media, professionals and at some point you have to

2314
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 5: be able to apply that own objectivity to your favorite.

2315
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 4: Teams BUT i couldn't last. NIGHT i. Couldn't and maybe

2316
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 4: it was the.

2317
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 5: Tequila maybe's the cigarettes afterwards THAT i was trying to

2318
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 5: use to calm my.

2319
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 4: Rage but it was just an, awful awful.

2320
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 5: Performance By Scott foster on top of everything else that

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01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 5: the Pay us did unto themselves to lose that game

2322
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 5: fair and.

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01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 2: Square, YEAH i don't think we're pinning the loss On Scott,

2324
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: foster but you're, right egregious. Travel there was an egregious push,

2325
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,440
Speaker 2: off and then there were a couple of, times two times.

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01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 4: THAT i can.

2327
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 2: REMEMBER i can't remember exactly who was, pushed BUT i

2328
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 2: felt LIKE i was watching LIKE nba, jam LIKE i

2329
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 2: got one of THOSE nba jam cabinets where you you, know,

2330
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 2: downstairs you can just play the old game and if

2331
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 2: you can't make a, play you just tackle the. Guy

2332
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: there were a couple of times THAT i watched guys

2333
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 2: just get absolutely housed coming off with the ball that were,

2334
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: pacers and it's it's hard to. Watch And i've had

2335
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 2: the tremendous fortune With yahoo over the last couple of

2336
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 2: years to work with a couple of guys that recently

2337
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 2: played in the, league AND i asked both of them

2338
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 2: the same thing when we were covering college basketball over

2339
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 2: the last two. Years do you believe that THE nba fixes? Outcomes?

2340
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 2: Essentially do you believe that they push? Outcomes and one

2341
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 2: answer THAT i got BECAUSE i.

2342
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't believe that THE nba, calls you, know

2343
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: anybody and, says, HEY i want to make sure that

2344
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: this game gets. Extended and the answer THAT i got

2345
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: from one player THAT i thought was really, interesting you,

2346
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: know when we were just, chatting was, NO i don't

2347
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: believe that THE nba calls. People BUT i do believe

2348
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: that THE nba rewards officials that understand what's what's for

2349
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: the greater good of the. Game and that's. Gross that

2350
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: just stuck in my.

2351
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Head it's just like because that was a player that

2352
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 2: was less than a year away from his LAST nba

2353
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 2: game saying that he does believe that the officials that

2354
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 2: understand a you, know it would be good for the

2355
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: league if this game goes six or, seven this series

2356
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 2: goes six or seven. Games like to your point of the,

2357
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: extender these are the things that you just you can't,

2358
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 2: undo and right or wrong with these conspiracy, theories and

2359
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 2: right or wrong with the way officials are. Judged you

2360
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 2: cannot change the popular perception that exists Around Scott. Foster

2361
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: so at some point don't you have a responsibility to

2362
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 2: just not allow the conversation to even? Start and it

2363
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 2: just comes back to, that you, know perceptionist reality. Concept

2364
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 2: AND i think you do have to be keenly where

2365
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,799
Speaker 2: in today's, world particularly because social, media slow, motion instant,

2366
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 2: replay the way that we watch these clips over and

2367
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 2: over and over. AGAIN a miss call twenty years ago

2368
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 2: was a conversation for a. MINUTE a miss call now

2369
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 2: By Scott foster is part of a montage that will

2370
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 2: be played every single day for the next year on social.

2371
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: Media Like that's WHY i just think all of this

2372
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: could have been. Avoided if you're THE, nba just why

2373
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: even put them on the. Floor what is the game

2374
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: you get for the conversation that's.

2375
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 5: Created it's it's tough when you when you see other

2376
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 5: fan bases or other people of note and sports media.

2377
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:48,640
Speaker 4: Or things like.

2378
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 5: That for, EXAMPLE i Saw Bill simmons tweet last. Night

2379
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 5: Obviously Bill simmons a Diehard celtics fan and somebody who's

2380
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 5: been on THE nba coverage FOR espn and now doing

2381
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 5: his own thing with a very very reputable network OF

2382
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 5: nba analysts on the. Ringer WHEN i See Bill, simmons

2383
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 5: When i'm already in my feels about the way That

2384
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 5: Scott foster is officiating a, game AND i see a

2385
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 5: tweet from somebody Like Bill simmons that, Says i'm glad

2386
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 5: to be here for the Most Scott fostery game. Ever

2387
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 5: it is going to send me into a. Spiral and

2388
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 5: then when you combine that with AND i don't want

2389
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 5: TO i don't want to bungle what you just said

2390
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 5: or articulated in terms of refs being rewarded by the

2391
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 5: league when they understand when they're doing things that they

2392
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 5: think are in the best interest of the, league THAT

2393
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 5: i articulate that, correctly that that's.

2394
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Articulated really, well, yes what what?

2395
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 4: Is how how DO i apply that? Sensibility?

2396
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 5: Like how DO i watch last night and find any

2397
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 5: way in my? Head even If i'm objective And i'm,

2398
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 5: NOT i completely understand That i'm emotional and very upset

2399
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 5: that my basketball team lost last, night And i'm as

2400
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 5: upset at The pacers as i am At Scott, foster

2401
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 5: Though Scott foster being a fixture in this makes me

2402
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 5: even more. Upset how AM i supposed to understand or

2403
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 5: compute what about those calls lends itself to good of the,

2404
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 5: game or What Scott foster does in general that lends

2405
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 5: itself to.

2406
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 4: The good of the game that would put him.

2407
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 5: In a position to be able to call games Like

2408
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 5: game four of THE Nba.

2409
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 4: Finals it's nonsense to, me absolute.

2410
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 5: Nonsense and the fact that even if it's something that

2411
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 5: is you, know not not pen and, paper, right not

2412
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 5: not documented for people to find the unwritten rules of

2413
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 5: how THE nba assigns league officials to various games and

2414
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 5: things like, that even if that is something that has

2415
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 5: given real life in dark corners of THE nba offices

2416
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 5: that we don't talk. About that makes me sick to

2417
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 5: my stomach because there's NOTHING i can do about. That

2418
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 5: there's nothing that my basketball team can do about that

2419
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 5: other than, just you, know let go and let basketball

2420
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 5: gods and throw my hands up in the air and

2421
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 5: complain About Scott foster batching games or botching calls like

2422
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 5: you did with that. Job that travel makes. Me i'm

2423
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 5: so mad having to think about that travel.

2424
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 2: AGAIN i feel like it's weird too for a league

2425
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 2: that does have a two minute report that is so

2426
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: trans parent about the calls that they, miss to put

2427
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: themselves in this. Situation just the number of Times Adam,

2428
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 2: silver WHO i, SAW i think perk was the one

2429
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 2: that's the best commissioner in all the.

2430
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Sports AND.

2431
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 2: I laughed at that moment Because Adam silver is reactionary in.

2432
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,879
Speaker 2: EVERYTHING i want the best commissioners in all of sports

2433
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 2: to be. PROACTIVE i want the best commissioners to anticipate,

2434
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 2: problems to anticipate, growth to anticipate, opportunity to anticipate ways

2435
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: to improve the. GAME i don't want the best commissioners

2436
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 2: to wait Until Steven a yells about what the All

2437
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 2: star game format should, be and then make. CHANGES i

2438
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: don't want the best commissioners to sit there and just

2439
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 2: look at the books and, say, well here's the score

2440
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: and here's the, number and the fair way is to.

2441
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: Give Scott foster this. GAME i want the best commissioners

2442
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 1: to look at the good of the, game the growth

2443
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 1: of the, game and the spirit of every, conversation and

2444
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: anticipate what we're gonna yell about to make sure that

2445
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: we can't yell.

2446
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:58,600
Speaker 2: About it is easily And Adam silver just doesn't do,

2447
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,759
Speaker 2: that and as a, Result Scott foster in these. Games

2448
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 2: my only hope is that he doesn't end up in

2449
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 2: another game in this, series because that is a nightmare

2450
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 2: none of us. Need as that series goes down to the,

2451
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Wire he's buck rising, Up Jason fitz coming. Up it's

2452
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 2: time for the best game show in all of? Sports

2453
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 2: would you? Rather we'll do it? NEXT i said, IT

2454
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 2: i said it, Loud the best game? Show would you?

2455
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 1: Rather coming up? Next On Fox Sports?

2456
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: Radio he's buck rising, Up Jason fitz bucking fits On

2457
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: Fox Sports, Saturday hanging out with, you coming at your

2458
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 2: live from The Fox Sports radio. Studios all, right if

2459
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 2: you listen to bucket ey ad. All you know that

2460
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 2: we end every single show the same, way and it's

2461
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 2: usually really clunky to start. With but we're gonna do

2462
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: it this. Time, buck all, right we're gonna do. It

2463
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 2: you are not gonna say this, together and it's gonna

2464
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 2: be so good even though we're in two different cities

2465
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 2: and there's a.

2466
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: Little delay sometimes we're about to do. This are you?

2467
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Ready are you? Ready we're ready to try, This? Buck, No,

2468
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: okay here we. Go it's time for. Wood.

2469
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 7: Yeah Ra, man you, guys, REALLY i feel like you

2470
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 7: get worse at it every.

2471
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 4: Week shut up him in my.

2472
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 5: EAR i time it out, correctly if it's. If if

2473
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 5: if the delay is throwing us, off that's collusion against.

2474
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Us then you need to account for the. Delay. Right

2475
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: how do we count a?

2476
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 7: Right for the seconds after it looks Like fitzy's mouth

2477
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 7: starts moving then you start, Talking you know?

2478
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 2: What maybe a good time, to by the, way say

2479
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 2: shout out to Producer ian for doing great. Work maybe

2480
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 2: next time you could help us do, That like you

2481
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 2: could produce this up a little, bit help us through

2482
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 2: it instead of just leaving us out here to.

2483
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: Die on the. Vine.

2484
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 7: Ian, Yeah, yeah that's. TRUE i could do, that but

2485
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 7: you know this is more.

2486
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Fun, yeah that's probably. Fair what do you Go you're

2487
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 1: gonna read? Us or would you? Rather we'll figure out

2488
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 1: which one we? Got what do you got?

2489
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 11: For?

2490
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 7: Yeah well we have the big shiny bright wheelback in

2491
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 7: studio to help pick a would you rather? Question so

2492
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 7: let's go ahead and get a spin. Wheel, Okay so

2493
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,879
Speaker 7: would you rather always have cheeto dust on your fingers

2494
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,679
Speaker 7: or always feel like you have a popcorn kernel stuck

2495
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 7: in your?

2496
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 4: Teeth? Oh cheeto.

2497
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 5: Dust there is nothing LIKE i love, popcorn BUT i

2498
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 5: swear To GOD i won't eat it because it makes

2499
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,600
Speaker 5: me insane when it gets caught in the roof of

2500
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 5: my mouth or like behind a tooth or something like.

2501
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 5: That there is nothing more irritating to, me even though you,

2502
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 5: know to go.

2503
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 4: Through life with cheeto dust on your hands is. Disgusting

2504
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 4: the problem.

2505
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: With that is, that, like, LOOK i get it's annoying

2506
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: to have the popcorn.

2507
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Kernel you're right about, That but what about like it's

2508
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 2: A saturday, night what about like maybe you're at the,

2509
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,560
Speaker 2: bar Maybe Buck rising is getting ready to do the

2510
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 2: hibbity dibity taking a lady home and you got cheeto

2511
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 2: dust all over your.

2512
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 1: Fingers that's a deal.

2513
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 2: Breaker she's gonna look at the fingers and don't give

2514
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 2: me like it's gonna get sexy because it's, not because

2515
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 2: it's always.

2516
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 1: There like the.

2517
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 2: Minute she tries to hibitty and help, you like it's

2518
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be back on the, Fingers you're Never you're

2519
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 2: never going to get the.

2520
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: Sex so Like i'm. OUT i want the popcorn. KERNEL

2521
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: i want the popcorn kernel and the cheeto. Dust i'll

2522
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: JUST i. DON'T i can't have to think about.

2523
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 7: It the popcorn kernel is going to give you a cavity.

2524
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:16,879
Speaker 5: Eventually well would you would you rather have a cavity

2525
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 5: or would you rather never get laid?

2526
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:19,679
Speaker 4: AGAIN i think that's the question.

2527
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: That we're all. Having hit me all the. Cavities i'll

2528
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 1: take all the.

2529
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,639
Speaker 7: Cavities there would be like it would just be, known

2530
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 7: like everywhere you've, been it's, like oh there's, orange there's

2531
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:27,759
Speaker 7: orange stuff.

2532
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: Everywhere you're like a like a. Criminal, yeah it doesn't.

2533
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 1: Worry she's not even gonna let you help her take

2534
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 1: any of the clothes off. Either but she's gonna be

2535
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,919
Speaker 1: LIKE i got it.

2536
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 5: As long as it's cheeto dust and not like wing,

2537
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 5: sauce BECAUSE i know people have made that mistake.

2538
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 4: Before that's. All that's a hospital. Trip all, right.

2539
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 7: Let's go ahead and spin the wheel. Again, okay this

2540
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 7: is a good. One would you rather have to wear

2541
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 7: clown shoes to every form event you go to or

2542
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:03,760
Speaker 7: a tuxedo to every casual hangout you go?

2543
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 2: To, OH i think the tuxedo to every casual, event

2544
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 2: because then you can just be. Ironic but if you

2545
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 2: continually wear clown shoes to formal, events eventually like you're

2546
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 2: just YOU'RE i don't, KNOW i feel like you're a

2547
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 2: bit of an idiot, there, Book SO i will go

2548
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 2: a tuxedo to the casual event because then you're, like you,

2549
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 2: know the guys on the sidelines wearing dumb and dummer.

2550
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 4: STUFF i already do. That, Awkward that's that's. Fair sorry

2551
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 4: in the, wheel wasn't ready for.

2552
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 7: It all, right pretty straightforward one, here AND i actually

2553
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 7: would venture to GUESS i know what both of you

2554
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 7: are going to, say But i'll ask it. Anyway would

2555
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 7: you rather only be able to whisper for the rest

2556
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 7: of your life or only be able to shout.

2557
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 4: For the rest of your? Life, WELL i feel.

2558
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 5: Like it's a bit of a Dead do you have

2559
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 5: a way to ask two professional loud mouths what they

2560
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 5: would rather? DO i honestly, THOUGH i THINK i would

2561
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 5: whisper BECAUSE i don't like the sound of my own

2562
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 5: voice and the amount of times THAT i get told

2563
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 5: to quiet down by friends and loved ones is deeply

2564
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 5: annoying to. Me but It's i'm probably lying to myself

2565
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 5: to make myself feel better about.

2566
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 4: It But i'd probably go with the.

2567
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 2: WHISPER i gotta go with the shout because anything you

2568
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 2: whisper becomes immediately. Creepy like IF i IF i see

2569
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 2: you in a, bar like your hair, cut, like everything's,

2570
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 2: Fine but IF i walk up to, You i'm, LIKE

2571
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 2: i love your. Haircut now all of a, sudden, boy

2572
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 2: dust on your. Hands, no IF i walk up to,

2573
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 2: like IF i walk up to you, say oh my,

2574
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:36,320
Speaker 2: god CAN i bet your?

2575
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Dog? Fine IF i walk in and, go oh my,

2576
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 1: god CAN i bet your? Dog? No, no the answer is, NO.

2577
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 4: I take it. Back are all answers?

2578
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 7: Final, yep it's. Fine no taking it back to.

2579
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 1: Like can you get one more in? Quick?

2580
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 7: Yeah we spin the, wheel, quick, quick, quick? Quick oh

2581
01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 7: good one all. Right would you rather have a pet

2582
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 7: sloth that moved super slowly but follows you everywhere you,

2583
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 7: go or a parrot that aggressively narrates everything that happens

2584
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 7: in your?

2585
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 2: Life an aggressive narrating, parrot BECAUSE i don't want to

2586
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 2: have to wait for the.

2587
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: Sloth it'll just piss me.

2588
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 5: Off Cosan i've Always i've always had the narrative in my.

2589
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 5: Head why not make an animal do?

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01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 2: It thanks To, Ian thanks To mary Mac thanks To Steve,

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Speaker 2: Disager he's buck rising.

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Speaker 1: Up Jason, fitz thank you for hanging out