Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to my Hi. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to play along. I
Speaker 1: hope you I just had an espresso.
Speaker 2: You need to slow down.
Speaker 3: Five six seven.
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to playing along
Speaker 1: with Norah Jones. Wait a second, Well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Hi. I'm Norah Jones. Today I'll be
Speaker 1: playing along with Jeff Tweety.
Speaker 4: That was great, just playing alone with you, just playing
Speaker 4: alone with you.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Norah Jones with me as always,
Speaker 1: Sarah Oda, what's up? Oda?
Speaker 2: What's up here? I am your cohort.
Speaker 1: Sarah's my partner, she's producing the show. She's part of
Speaker 1: my brain. We've been we've been together for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so why don't you tell us about this show?
Speaker 1: Well, this is my excuse to play music with people,
Speaker 1: some who I know, some who I don't know that well,
Speaker 1: and to just sort of hang out.
Speaker 2: And you might just learn something new about some of
Speaker 2: your favorite artists.
Speaker 1: I know I certainly did so. Today's guest is Jeff Tweety,
Speaker 1: Jeff tweety Can you just repeat everything I say?
Speaker 2: Like all your effects.
Speaker 1: You might know him as the frontman of Willcoe or
Speaker 1: countless other musical projects he's been a part of.
Speaker 2: He's collaborated with lots of different people, including one of
Speaker 2: our favorite people, May the Staples.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: and more, and we're going to play some some songs
Speaker 1: from his older catly with Wilco, as well as some
Speaker 1: new songs. He is an incredible songwriter, a musician, one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Without further adieu, A do A do,
Speaker 1: wait a second.
Speaker 5: And you to you and you what is it you?
Speaker 2: Without further ad maybe that's your thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, no, that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's your thing.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the show. Here's Jeff tweety, tweety tweety.
Speaker 3: That sounds great.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: It's kel Croydon, kel Croydon.
Speaker 6: They were made for They're made by Gibson during the depression.
Speaker 6: Wow for a toy company.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why they has the birds.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and birds are hand painted. I have like six
Speaker 6: of these and the birds are really wildly different on
Speaker 6: all of them, depending on I think, depending on what day.
Speaker 3: Of the week they were painted.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like Fridays the dots are all like, let's get
Speaker 6: out of here.
Speaker 1: I love it. I should get one.
Speaker 3: You should.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're really there's this weighs like less than three pounds.
Speaker 3: Oh. I love the lightest.
Speaker 1: Guitar because I hate carrying guitars. They're just so heavy.
Speaker 1: It's for kids.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know you're not a gearhead. That's why I'm
Speaker 6: let's just talk about you want to.
Speaker 7: Talk about gear I am not a gearhead, but I'm
Speaker 7: still interested.
Speaker 1: I mean I start glazing over sometimes if it gets
Speaker 1: too geary.
Speaker 3: But I sensed it. I sensed it yours, I totally felt.
Speaker 1: I just felt with me. Okay, stay with you. I'm here,
Speaker 1: So thanks for doing my podcast. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: take a nap over here.
Speaker 3: I have that effect on a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, so what about the tweety show, Like
Speaker 1: how do I train my kids to be in a
Speaker 1: band with me when they're older, or how do I
Speaker 1: trick him into doing that?
Speaker 3: Do I just not?
Speaker 1: I just tell them I never want to play music
Speaker 1: with them. Like, how how did that end up being
Speaker 1: so wonderfully? You know amazing.
Speaker 6: Uh, Spencer, I think just came out of the womb
Speaker 6: wanting to play music. And he's you know, he used
Speaker 6: to ask to be you know, ask us to sit
Speaker 6: him at the drum kit and hold him up before
Speaker 6: he could even get on the drum throne by himself.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And he would play.
Speaker 6: And even my wife's rock club, they had a drum
Speaker 6: kit in the basement, and the bands that would be
Speaker 6: playing there like, come here, you got to check this
Speaker 6: kid out. He's like, he seems like he knows what
Speaker 6: he's doing. But he was only like one or two
Speaker 6: years old.
Speaker 1: It's pretty great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So he had like a natural you know interest that
Speaker 6: was really sweet, and he just kind of I don't know,
Speaker 6: I don't remember him practicing or getting good.
Speaker 3: It just feels like he always just happened how to
Speaker 3: do it. And so.
Speaker 6: Spencer and I that was like our version of playing catch,
Speaker 6: and it still is, you know, I think. Yeah, Sammy
Speaker 6: resisted I think a little bit because it was his
Speaker 6: older brother's thing, and it was so natural for Spencer
Speaker 6: that he seemed to want to find his own thing
Speaker 6: for a long time and then eventually he just surrendered.
Speaker 6: You know that this is something fun to do, and
Speaker 6: he started joining in and he discovered that he has
Speaker 6: a you know, has a sweet voice and felt empowered singing,
Speaker 6: so he started singing more.
Speaker 1: With us and so great.
Speaker 6: But I think I think the main thing is to
Speaker 6: just not let it be a drag.
Speaker 1: I know, that's kind of what It's delicate because anytime
Speaker 1: I tell them to do anything or try to get
Speaker 1: them to learn something, they immediately resist it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of
Speaker 6: I think, you know, parents struggle with this. How hard
Speaker 6: do you push somebody and are they going to thank
Speaker 6: you for it later if or regret that you didn't
Speaker 6: push them harder?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I feel like that with the piano for Sammy in particular,
Speaker 6: because he was so resistant to it that we just
Speaker 6: kind of, you know, backed off, and now that it's
Speaker 6: so important to him, I feel like we kind of
Speaker 6: undersold it to him a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, like when I was little, as soon as I
Speaker 1: started taking piano lessons, I wanted to quit because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to practice every week, you know, And my
Speaker 1: mom said, well, you can quit after you take for
Speaker 1: five years, and so that was her kind of compromise.
Speaker 1: So by that point I had enough to continue if
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick it back up, which I did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it just you know, it just ends
Speaker 6: up being part of the I don't know, just part
Speaker 6: of how it happens for an individual. For Sammy, it
Speaker 6: kind of maybe opened the door to him finding it
Speaker 6: and see your appreciation for it, you know. But no,
Speaker 6: never know what would have happened if you pushed him
Speaker 6: a little harder on that, but.
Speaker 1: He not wanted to do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he might have liked it's just really developed a
Speaker 6: hatred for it. But yeah, no, he ended up really
Speaker 6: gravitating towards synthesis and and electronic music and learning how
Speaker 6: to put all that together.
Speaker 3: Which he's a really he's really expert.
Speaker 6: At all of that, and so he kind of came
Speaker 6: at it from a weirder angle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's weird. Is good?
Speaker 3: No, it's great, weirdo.
Speaker 1: Would you like to play a song with me?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Let's see, should we try to do
Speaker 1: Jesus et cetera? Because it's we have history together your song.
Speaker 1: You have history with it, of course, but we kind
Speaker 1: of have history with that song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1: When I got the words wrong.
Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah, you said it's all we got
Speaker 3: so well, so I really did, and that what you
Speaker 3: thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what the lyrics were. And I didn't
Speaker 1: even google them because I loved the song so much,
Speaker 1: and I really thought that the lyrics were our love
Speaker 1: is all we got, Tonny, and they were not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, which it does sound.
Speaker 1: Like that when you google lyrics all the time, I
Speaker 1: mean they come out.
Speaker 6: Wrong and oh all of my Yeah, so I think
Speaker 6: if you google these they're probably wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, can I ask you a question? Is it voices
Speaker 1: wine or voices cry? We're both?
Speaker 3: What's it say on their cry?
Speaker 1: It says wine.
Speaker 6: I don't know until I'm singing it. To be honest,
Speaker 6: I think it's wine. But do you think it's cry?
Speaker 1: No, I think you're it's I don't think anything.
Speaker 3: It's your son.
Speaker 6: Do you know, like when Lenny Bruce was that money
Speaker 6: Bruce phil Oaks was testifying in a courtroom about some
Speaker 6: of his songs having some obscenity or something like that.
Speaker 6: They asked him some of his lyrics and he couldn't
Speaker 6: remember him and they had to get him a guitar
Speaker 6: and he could remember them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how it is. I know what
Speaker 1: you mean.
Speaker 6: Well, but when we get to that, it'll be interesting
Speaker 6: because now it's.
Speaker 1: In my head, like I shouldn't have said a word.
Speaker 6: One time we did this song, we did live band
Speaker 6: karaoke and we had contest winners sing the songs at
Speaker 6: our festival, Solid Sound, and we put a bouncing ball
Speaker 6: version of all the songs up on the screen behind us,
Speaker 6: and the crowd was just like, huh. They bended all
Speaker 6: of the lyrics except for Jesus et cetera. I just
Speaker 6: assumed it would be right, and it was like really
Speaker 6: really off.
Speaker 1: It was probably from my recording of it.
Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, They're like, oh, we.
Speaker 1: Got what we got, Tony. I was so. I was
Speaker 1: like shocked when you said that to me, You're like,
Speaker 1: so you changed the lyrics that lyric and I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Jeff tweety, Well, this is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs in the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: When was this released twenty more than ago? Exactly like
Speaker 1: twenty years ago.
Speaker 6: On September it was the record was supposed to come
Speaker 6: out on September eleventh, two thousand and one, and we
Speaker 6: were dropped from our label, so that release date went away,
Speaker 6: and we ended up streaming it on September eighteenth for
Speaker 6: free on the internet.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: And then it officially came out I think in April
Speaker 6: or something of two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And my first record came out in February of
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and I met you for the
Speaker 1: first time of the Jules Holland Show.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, and we were doing songs off of
Speaker 6: this record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is like my first sort of introduction
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: Oh well, so I probably not alone in that.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a good introduction.
Speaker 8: Jesus, don't cry, you can allow on me, honey. You
Speaker 8: can combine any thing you are. I'll stick around you,
Speaker 8: Ride about the stars. Each one is a set egg song,
Speaker 8: tall buildings, shaped voices, scared singing, said said songs, turned
Speaker 8: to chords, Strong down your cheeks, bitter melodies, turning your ub.
Speaker 9: Round, don't cry you carry lie on me, honey.
Speaker 10: You can combine any time you want a be round.
Speaker 1: You ride aboy the stars.
Speaker 11: Each one is a setting inside, tall building, shake voices.
Speaker 8: Escape singing, such sass songs, do not to God, Strong
Speaker 8: down the.
Speaker 12: Chicks bedle Mallese, turning you all bit around?
Speaker 13: What's this?
Speaker 8: One scotscraper is a screen eadband together your voice.
Speaker 13: He's smoking last cigarettes.
Speaker 12: All you can get, turning your old bittle round.
Speaker 14: I love, I love, I love It's.
Speaker 3: All we have.
Speaker 15: I love, I love this all of God's money. Everyone
Speaker 15: is a burning song, down't building ship voices, scared singing sets, assholes,
Speaker 15: two two colds, strong, down your cheeks, little melodies, turning
Speaker 15: your all bit around.
Speaker 13: Buzzes one.
Speaker 8: Skyscrapers a scrape together your voice.
Speaker 13: He's smoking last cigarettes. All you can.
Speaker 16: Get, turning your all bit around, last cigarettes all you
Speaker 16: can get, turning your all.
Speaker 13: Bit around, last cigarettes all you can get, turning your
Speaker 13: all bit around.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Hey, thanks for letting me sing that with you.
Speaker 3: It's like my dream pleasure.
Speaker 1: Would you say that this is one of your most
Speaker 1: Like people love this song the most, not the most,
Speaker 1: but like one of the songs.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it's probably the most well known song, and
Speaker 6: it's certainly.
Speaker 3: Just judging by covers and stuff.
Speaker 6: It's one of the only songs I've written that has
Speaker 6: like multiple multiple covers around. I mean, there's like a
Speaker 6: Swedish version of it, and you know, a lot of
Speaker 6: it just comes up every once in a while. It
Speaker 6: seems like once a year somebody kind of covers it,
Speaker 6: which is really really nice.
Speaker 1: It's a great song, is it? The kind of because
Speaker 1: you have such a huge catalog, and I feel like
Speaker 1: you also have very very die hard fans. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of bands do, a lot of
Speaker 1: artists do, but I feel like yours are very specific.
Speaker 3: They're pretty hardcore.
Speaker 1: They're very hardcore, and they're amazing. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: do you feel like when you're writing a set list
Speaker 1: do you feel stressed about balancing stuff? I'm curious about
Speaker 1: that because I sometimes do, and I have like way
Speaker 1: less catalog than you.
Speaker 6: But you know, we just got We toured a lot
Speaker 6: just recently on that trip, kind of because it was
Speaker 6: kind of a big outdoor bill and the shows were
Speaker 6: a little bit shorter than a normal Wilco show.
Speaker 3: It felt like we really just didn't even worry about it.
Speaker 6: We kind of did roughly the same set every night
Speaker 6: and just swapped out a few songs because I don't know,
Speaker 6: I just wanted after two years, I kind of wanted
Speaker 6: everybody that was coming to not leave thinking they didn't
Speaker 6: hear one of I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a for whatever Wilco has his hits.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like the Greatest Hits.
Speaker 1: Show, which is not how you usually do it, don't
Speaker 1: you so much?
Speaker 6: Normally we do it where here's how I balance it generally.
Speaker 6: I look, I actually call up the last time we
Speaker 6: played in that town. Yeah, and I look at the setlist,
Speaker 6: and I try and make it at least half different
Speaker 6: from the last time we were in town.
Speaker 3: And and you.
Speaker 6: Know, Jesus et Cetera is probably the most well known
Speaker 6: voco song. But we've gotten away with playing lots of
Speaker 6: shows without playing.
Speaker 1: Without playing it. Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 6: And we don't really have that song that that people.
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe a good maybe a percentage of the
Speaker 6: audience walks away going I can't believe they didn't play that,
Speaker 6: But for the most part, our fans don't. I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's one of the benefits of not having hits. It
Speaker 6: might be the only benefit of not having hits.
Speaker 1: No, I know, you mean, but like, I feel like
Speaker 1: your fans are also so hardcore. They probably they're just
Speaker 1: like maybe they're excited that you didn't.
Speaker 6: Play it too, you know, I had a really disturbing experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you know, like, yeah, they went deep for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We started doing this request thing on our website, and
Speaker 6: it was kind of disturbing because every every night, every
Speaker 6: song gets one vote, like every song in the whole
Speaker 6: catalog gets one vote every night unless somebody hacks it,
Speaker 6: and like sort of like ask for a super deep cut,
Speaker 6: like with four hundred votes, you just know some you know,
Speaker 6: computer wizard like is coming to the show. But for
Speaker 6: the most part, I started, like when I started doing
Speaker 6: solo shows and I would look at the request list
Speaker 6: for the show, I'd just be like, what, Like, how
Speaker 6: do I know which ones to pick from this? Everybody
Speaker 6: just has one Every song has one vote. So I
Speaker 6: started telling the audience that when they hear the song
Speaker 6: they came to hear, they should leave, so I know
Speaker 6: when to quit.
Speaker 1: That's funny, That's a good way to do it. Except
Speaker 1: it didn't help.
Speaker 3: No, I was like, play four hundred songs, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I mean that's great that you have all those songs.
Speaker 6: I guess, so, yeah, I mean I would have would
Speaker 6: have been nice to have a hit. Maybe I think
Speaker 6: that that ship is probably sailed at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think you're doing just fine.
Speaker 1: Do you ever get asked that question about who you
Speaker 1: want to whose career you'd want to emulate. I always
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of a lame question from journalists.
Speaker 1: You know, you get that question, right, or have you,
Speaker 1: like in the past.
Speaker 6: We used to get it a long time ago, and
Speaker 6: I mean at that time when we were starting out,
Speaker 6: I think I would always say something like Ram or
Speaker 6: Randy Newman or just somebody that's been around a long
Speaker 6: time and has had like the opportunity to make a
Speaker 6: lot of different records and a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, did you ever think of that
Speaker 1: answer until somebody would ask you that question?
Speaker 6: No, I was like, I never really, I mean I
Speaker 6: stopped modeling what we do on other people. By the
Speaker 6: time we made us an independent record and we're touring
Speaker 6: in a van totally. That was like, Oh my god,
Speaker 6: this is the coolest thing. This is the high I've
Speaker 6: always like out lived my dreams.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 6: That was like as cool as it could get. I
Speaker 6: never went to a lot of big rock shows when
Speaker 6: I was a kid. I went to small shows and
Speaker 6: punk rock shows and stuff. So the arena playing bigger
Speaker 6: places was I never could picture myself doing it because
Speaker 6: it wasn't something I had experienced a lot, and we
Speaker 6: haven't done a whole lot of it, but we've definitely
Speaker 6: played way bigger venues in stages than I would have
Speaker 6: ever anticipated, and it was a growing experience. Certainly had
Speaker 6: to kind of like learn how to do that as
Speaker 6: a challenge, which I'm glad. It was a cool challenge
Speaker 6: to figure out how to make that feel right.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like you just keep rolling along and trying
Speaker 1: new things. So I was thinking about that question today
Speaker 1: when I was sort of preparing for this, and I
Speaker 1: always like, I don't know, like I always say, like
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton or Joni Mitchell, but the truth is I
Speaker 1: never think of it outside of being asked that question. Today,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like you, like, I love You're exactly
Speaker 1: who I feel like if I had to model my
Speaker 1: career after anyone. And I feel like at this point
Speaker 1: I've outgrown that question a little bit, but like, sure,
Speaker 1: I love how adventurous you are and you're always doing
Speaker 1: something different, and it's it's like thing songs for this
Speaker 1: was impossible. So many good ones.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I mean, I mean, well you don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think everybody, I think with the aspiration
Speaker 6: should be for everybody to have one that doesn't look
Speaker 6: exactly like anybody else's exactly and you totally have that.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I think that's why I always
Speaker 1: thought that was such a silly question, because it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be like anybody else.
Speaker 6: You've kind of used I feel like, you know, like
Speaker 6: you have this massive, massive success, like right out of
Speaker 6: the gate, and a lot of people I think, I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know, we've never really talked about it, so
Speaker 6: I don't know how disorienting any of that was. I'm
Speaker 6: assuming it was probably pretty disorienting. But but I think
Speaker 6: that you took control of it really quickly, and I
Speaker 6: think that that I always thought that was really admirable
Speaker 6: because you didn't. I felt like, I just watching you
Speaker 6: from the outside, it felt like you didn't let it
Speaker 6: steamroll you. You just decided to use that leverage to
Speaker 6: be able to do the things you want to do.
Speaker 6: And I don't think that occurs to a lot of.
Speaker 3: People at length.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I think it was just dumb. Luck
Speaker 1: for me, it was just like, oh cool, Oh I
Speaker 1: get to do whatever I want. I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like plotting anything because I think when you're young,
Speaker 1: you just keep rolling and that's yeah, that's what you
Speaker 1: seem to do, and that's that's exactly how I like
Speaker 1: to do things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I from the outside it looks like being sort
Speaker 6: of self possessed or something, you know, which is good.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, having a certain amount of confidence
Speaker 6: and self possession, but I don't. Internally, I don't feel
Speaker 6: that way at all. I just feel like I kind
Speaker 6: of just really uncomfortable doing things I don't want.
Speaker 1: To do exactly. You're just you're just enjoying.
Speaker 6: I almost couldn't do it if in a way that
Speaker 6: I feel like would be you know, anyone would want
Speaker 6: to hear or respond to.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't I don't know.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I really love being outside
Speaker 6: of my comfort zone and finding out if I can
Speaker 6: do something, you know, like the Mayvest Staples stuff. It
Speaker 6: was just like I'd never produced a record, so it
Speaker 6: was just like being asked to do that. It was like,
Speaker 6: I'll try, you know, like I'd love to help because
Speaker 6: I love I love her. I love you know, And yeah,
Speaker 6: it was really nice seeing the stuff I had learned
Speaker 6: making my own records and being in the studio for
Speaker 6: so long actually applied to an environment or to the
Speaker 6: type of music that wasn't you know, just square on
Speaker 6: the nose for what I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's one of my favorite records too,
Speaker 1: The Mavis record that song too, I mean that You're
Speaker 1: you Are Not Alone song, thank You. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs for the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: But it's just such a great songs.
Speaker 6: It's gorgeous. I forgot I played last night and I
Speaker 6: forgot to play it.
Speaker 3: You were going to play it. I was going to
Speaker 3: play it at the end, but it felt a little too.
Speaker 6: Like I would I don't know, like I would be
Speaker 6: milking the moment of people being out of the houses
Speaker 6: for the first time or something like. I thought about
Speaker 6: singing and I was like, oh, that's gonna I don't know.
Speaker 6: I got really self conscious about it on stage.
Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean, do you get self conscious?
Speaker 3: N It feels emotional every time.
Speaker 1: It's very emotional song. It's incredibly emotional. That's what's so
Speaker 1: moving about it. And it's very universal. You know, her
Speaker 1: singing it is universal, but some people might relate to
Speaker 1: it one way you singing it, people might relate to
Speaker 1: it another way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there'd already been a lot of stuff last night,
Speaker 6: I mean, just the whole you know, it really felt
Speaker 6: that it was the first time in a crowd like
Speaker 6: that for a lot of people, and it certainly the
Speaker 6: first time I've done a solo show in a in
Speaker 6: a crowded room, and so there were a lot of
Speaker 6: moments throughout the show that already felt like that emotional.
Speaker 6: It should been scratched or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't want to send them home bawling.
Speaker 6: That's usually my goal, leave them wanting less and depressed.
Speaker 6: Hey full Yeah, is everybody having a good time? Yeah,
Speaker 6: we'll see what we can do about that.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I do have a little fomo because I
Speaker 1: haven't gone to a show and I haven't played a
Speaker 1: show yet since everything.
Speaker 6: So at the beginning of the summer before we went out,
Speaker 6: you know, it felt like, oh, this is going to
Speaker 6: be amazing. And by the time we got out there,
Speaker 6: of course the delta variant and all the different things
Speaker 6: were happening with the you know, other people canceling tours
Speaker 6: and stuff. So it was a little confusing, but we
Speaker 6: managed to keep keep ourselves healthy and the crew healthy,
Speaker 6: and we had like forty people, you know, with all
Speaker 6: the different bands in a bubble, and we managed to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 6: Only canceled one show because of whether and we had
Speaker 6: two hurricanes on that oh gosh, yeah on that trip
Speaker 6: or like we're in the line of two hurricanes.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, it must have been nice.
Speaker 6: Though it was. It was really nice. I mean very
Speaker 6: special people seem Yeah. I mean it's a huge thing
Speaker 6: in people's lives and it's a really special yours for ours,
Speaker 6: but just getting getting to be a part of that
Speaker 6: equation for someone looking out into an audience and seeing
Speaker 6: the like this joy and relief and sense of I
Speaker 6: don't know, just being a part of a communal experience,
Speaker 6: which for a lot of people that don't go to
Speaker 6: church a lot. And yeah, exactly, like sports or whatever,
Speaker 6: it's like kind of the only place you get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because yeah, a lot of people get
Speaker 1: at other places. It was at the longest that you've
Speaker 1: not been on the road as an adult during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because your road dog.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean I have always on the road.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I've been playing shows and do you know,
Speaker 6: getting in advance since I was about you know, eighteen
Speaker 6: or nineteen years old, and for sure in my adult life,
Speaker 6: that was the only time I've ever spent eighteen months
Speaker 6: at home. Yeah, and I was it was great. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 6: that part of it was really kind of uplifting because
Speaker 6: my wife and my kids and I were all under
Speaker 6: one roof and we were very fortunate to have a
Speaker 6: house that's big enough to kind of have not be
Speaker 6: on top of each other, which really sympathized with people
Speaker 6: that were in living situations where it wasn't easy to
Speaker 6: get away from.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody had your family members, everyone had their
Speaker 1: own unique experience.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but for us, it was like, oh wow, we
Speaker 6: we you know, I really love each other. We really like,
Speaker 6: i mean not just love each other, but like to
Speaker 6: spend time together. And for my wife and I, honestly,
Speaker 6: that was the you know who knew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty great because.
Speaker 6: You know, I think we've always kind of attributed the
Speaker 6: success of our relationship to being able to be a
Speaker 6: part you know, and that that we've remained sort of
Speaker 6: connected and strong, even though I'm gone a lot.
Speaker 1: So it was a test.
Speaker 3: Then if she was here.
Speaker 6: Right now, she'd be rolling her eyes and saying that
Speaker 6: she wanted to pack. She wanted to pack my bags
Speaker 6: many times. And that's always been the joke before the pandemic,
Speaker 6: is that if I'm home for too long, I wake
Speaker 6: up and my bags are packed by the front door,
Speaker 6: because she she likes it when I'm out doing what
Speaker 6: I do, and maybe she senses that I need to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, I mean, that all makes sense, but
Speaker 1: it's I'm glad you guys passed the test. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: can we do save it for me?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: This is from the album we put out like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Kind of right, No, it came out during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Came out during the Was it written during the pandemic? Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the perfect segue. I didn't even mean
Speaker 1: to do it. I'm just yeah, so this is one
Speaker 1: of those songs that came out of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: When I came home from the pandemic, for we were
Speaker 6: on tour when everything got shut down, and so we
Speaker 6: got home and a few days really only a few
Speaker 6: days in I started thinking I just try and write
Speaker 6: as an exercise. I wanted to write country songs, like
Speaker 6: I thought the way a country song would sound if
Speaker 6: it was gonna you know, you're trying to pitch a
Speaker 6: to somebody to be played on a jukebox in like
Speaker 6: the early sixties, just as you know, just as a
Speaker 6: genre exercise or something. It's like, I wonder if I
Speaker 6: can just write a straight country song. And I wrote
Speaker 6: a few songs like that, and I started sharing them
Speaker 6: with my my friend George Saunders and Nick Offerman, who
Speaker 6: we have a we kind of have a thread, a
Speaker 6: text thread. Were the actor, Yeah, okay, yeah, we're just
Speaker 6: like it's just this.
Speaker 3: Long, gooing text thread.
Speaker 6: I was just like, hey, I'm going to send you
Speaker 6: guys a song a day just to see what if
Speaker 6: I can do this.
Speaker 1: You're really good at that, by the way. The self
Speaker 1: discipline thing, thank you. I mean I read your how
Speaker 1: to Write One Song book and I loved it. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, Because I don't really have any of that.
Speaker 6: I just, yeah, I like, I like just seeing if
Speaker 6: you can do it. And the only and one of
Speaker 6: the reason reasons I can do it is because I like,
Speaker 6: you have to really just accept whatever comes out.
Speaker 1: But that's the best advice you can give anybody trying
Speaker 1: to write a song, yeah, because everybody wants to just
Speaker 1: shut it down when it's cheesy or if you don't like.
Speaker 3: It, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think I always think that that's what
Speaker 6: writer's block is. It's not so much you can't write anything,
Speaker 6: you just don't like what you're writing.
Speaker 1: You're just not letting yourself go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it was really satisfying and it was really fun.
Speaker 6: And then over time, like really, within like a week
Speaker 6: and a half or so, I had enough songs for
Speaker 6: a record, and they were starting to become less and
Speaker 6: less of that genre exercise. They were starting to have
Speaker 6: more of a unique flavor, you know, or a unique
Speaker 6: feeling to the moment.
Speaker 1: It started taking shape as its own as the record.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it became the record Love is the King,
Speaker 6: and you know, so it was Spencer and I primarily
Speaker 6: laying down all of the tracks at the studio because
Speaker 6: it was in our bubble. And then this is really
Speaker 6: the record where Sammy started taking a much more active
Speaker 6: interest in being a part of it. And so he
Speaker 6: sings all the harmonies on the record.
Speaker 1: Ah, So this is him on harmonies. This okay, I
Speaker 1: can't realize that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Three Boys, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: And I love his harmonies because they're they're different, you know,
Speaker 1: they're so cool.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that this is this is the
Speaker 6: first song. I think that we had him come in
Speaker 6: and sing harmony on.
Speaker 1: That's so sweet. It's funny you were writing country signs.
Speaker 1: To me, this sounds like an old jazz standard also,
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a lot of overlap there.
Speaker 3: There is for.
Speaker 13: Sure sae me.
Speaker 8: When the wealth those bod I could say, with certainty
Speaker 8: left on in an empty room.
Speaker 13: So love can be.
Speaker 8: A rainbow in the mouth of clouds, dark d days
Speaker 8: boon needs you know, rainbow in the mouth of clouds,
Speaker 8: dark end days soon needs me?
Speaker 13: Now see it for me? When the world falls power,
Speaker 13: I can say the certainty.
Speaker 17: There's a redson, there's a pie left out that you
Speaker 17: can't consume, so sweet it cannoty.
Speaker 8: There's a reason no one would call today.
Speaker 13: People you lean on don't always know what do you say?
Speaker 18: See it for me?
Speaker 14: When the world fose body.
Speaker 13: Like say the certainty by a light left one and
Speaker 13: an empty how love can be. It's all love can
Speaker 13: be it's a love can be, so love can be.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful, beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. I had this like idea of
Speaker 1: trying to do it ragtime, but it's definitely in the
Speaker 1: wrong key for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I should have told me how would I would
Speaker 6: do now.
Speaker 1: I liked what we did. It was great. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to sing on it mostly and just tinkle a
Speaker 1: little piano.
Speaker 6: Just well half step up would have been rag time
Speaker 6: key right, gee with a big.
Speaker 19: I was saying, when the world falls apart.
Speaker 13: I could say with certain but.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I was hearing, Like is man, That's
Speaker 1: why I was hearing it kind of jazzy, right.
Speaker 3: But you have to make I have to make that track.
Speaker 3: I want to hear it.
Speaker 1: It'd be fun. I'll fiddle with it. I'll do any
Speaker 1: different key that's a little low, But I love that song.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Also, I really have avoided using jazzy as
Speaker 1: a as a descriptive word my whole life, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why I just did that, but I just
Speaker 1: want to put that out there. I don't usually I
Speaker 1: was use it.
Speaker 6: I was impressed. I was like like, wow, like I right,
Speaker 6: jazz now.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: That was myself.
Speaker 1: I love that you made that record with the with
Speaker 1: the Spencer and Sammy like that during the pandemic. That's great.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote the book and I and I and
Speaker 6: run the same time. So a lot of the kind
Speaker 6: of exercises I'm trying to describe in the book I
Speaker 6: was using at the same time making the record, or
Speaker 6: you know, it was fresh in my mind from kind
Speaker 6: of writing really quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty great. I'm gonna I'm going to do
Speaker 1: the book and try to do that again, like try
Speaker 1: to I'll just send you stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker 6: It's good to let somebody hear it because I mean,
Speaker 6: if you have to find the right person. But you know,
Speaker 6: when uh, when somebody else receives it in the same
Speaker 6: spirit that it's it's created, it's really the steaks are
Speaker 6: really low, but really reward.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's like playing it for your mom
Speaker 6: or something, or.
Speaker 1: Like, well, that's interesting because I was listening to your book.
Speaker 1: I was listening to your book on tape. I was
Speaker 1: really struck by that that scene of you playing her song,
Speaker 1: your mom's songs in the kitchen when you first started
Speaker 1: writing them. Yeah, and I think that earnestness of songwriting
Speaker 1: is what helps you be so fearless with it and
Speaker 1: like just yeah, what you're saying is basically the key
Speaker 1: to unlocking it. And it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you got somebody that's.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think ultimately you're wanting to reach somebody
Speaker 6: that is open to loving you. It's hard to reach
Speaker 6: people who are not open to making having a connection right,
Speaker 6: you know, God and the people I think spend a
Speaker 6: lot of time worried about those people, worried about the
Speaker 6: people that are critical.
Speaker 3: Its difficult to like.
Speaker 6: Are not really coming at it, Like they don't really
Speaker 6: need it from you? There there, it's not for them,
Speaker 6: or they have other things that that really means a
Speaker 6: lot to them, and they're not I don't know, they're
Speaker 6: just not. They don't need another friend, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a great Yeah, that's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to think about.
Speaker 6: So so it's like, if you know that that's there,
Speaker 6: you still have a vulnerability because I don't know if
Speaker 6: you ever quite shake that feeling, especially if you're saying
Speaker 6: something that's emotionally resonant within yourself. It feels a little electrifying,
Speaker 6: almost like a like an electrocuting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, just.
Speaker 6: Like you know, oh, I shouldn't be saying this. I'm
Speaker 6: not sure how I feel about this being out in
Speaker 6: in the air. You know, Yeah, that's still there, even
Speaker 6: with somebody that loves you a whole lot, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it can still hurt you.
Speaker 6: But I just like think that I don't really spend
Speaker 6: a lot of time picturing an audience. But it took
Speaker 6: me a long time to figure out that I shouldn't
Speaker 6: picture an audience that isn't open to it, Like, what's
Speaker 6: the point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean it took me a long
Speaker 1: time to realize this. I don't know why. Maybe because
Speaker 1: my first record was so successful and I got a
Speaker 1: little like weird, you know, sure, and I would play
Speaker 1: shows and I would like be kind of upset sometimes, like,
Speaker 1: well they weren't as into it as they could have been.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I remember somebody saying to me
Speaker 1: was like, everyone here, I bought a ticket to come
Speaker 1: see you. They're on your side, they already like you.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought I had to win them over, right,
Speaker 1: and that's like a weird performer thing, right that sometimes
Speaker 1: I think people get in their head for sure, and
Speaker 1: especially when you're young.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, I mean and you start out that way.
Speaker 6: For lot of people, it's just like, yeah, that's your
Speaker 6: whole goal. That's just went over an audience, and then
Speaker 6: they're never really quite let go of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're not always there to see you in the beginning.
Speaker 1: They're maybe there to see someone else.
Speaker 6: Which if I guess, if I had to pick a
Speaker 6: side of which, you know, default position to come into
Speaker 6: a show, I'd probably still want most performers to feel
Speaker 6: like they need to put an effort in to win
Speaker 6: you over.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But there's a difference between not putting an
Speaker 1: effort in and not feeling defensive immediately about like or
Speaker 1: like you know, scared too scared.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like just assuming the audience is going to be
Speaker 6: withholding yeah, of their affection or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a weird head trip that I went.
Speaker 3: Through all the thing.
Speaker 6: The thing that's crazy and you know to me is
Speaker 6: how how adept at picking out people that aren't having
Speaker 6: a good time. Yes, we are, and everybody that's ever
Speaker 6: I've ever talked to you that's been on stage has
Speaker 6: like just like almost like an animal instinct for the
Speaker 6: guy that's yawning or looking at his phone or.
Speaker 1: Gets me because I also, like in the beginning, I
Speaker 1: got called Snora in the press, which my mom for
Speaker 1: some reason thought was hilarious and like always jokes around
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: But it does hurt a little bit, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: So like the yawning always gets me for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 6: They can be in the middle of like fifty people
Speaker 6: like dancing exactly, and you're like, what's wrong with that guy?
Speaker 6: I'm giving all this mental energy to this person that's
Speaker 6: like like the last person I should be thinking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as I stopped thinking of it that way,
Speaker 1: it was so much more fun.
Speaker 6: The world is like that though, we always like seem
Speaker 6: to be most disoriented and distracted by the the I
Speaker 6: don't know, the naysayers and the yeah I mean energy,
Speaker 6: And now we're programmed to be more like that every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you know, the way the news is and.
Speaker 6: Everything outrage economy, Yeah, it's all just outrageous. I always
Speaker 6: thinking about how, you know, you could have a bunch
Speaker 6: of people in a room having a great time and
Speaker 6: one really really sour. Negative person can walk in the
Speaker 6: room and completely change that room. Yes, but it doesn't
Speaker 6: work the other way. You could have a group of
Speaker 6: like people.
Speaker 1: Are you sure, I mean if there's a group of
Speaker 1: negative people, is.
Speaker 6: What you Yeah, and like one really happy person comes
Speaker 6: in and tries to make it just makes them all matter, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I guess there are there. Well that's a real gift.
Speaker 6: That's somebody like Mayvis Staples.
Speaker 1: Yes, she can brighten a room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she like.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it generally, I think it's much more
Speaker 6: energy expended to get it to go the other direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. Love is the King. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's you said.
Speaker 3: It available everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. I remember when I came to the
Speaker 1: loft to write songs and just play with you. I
Speaker 1: was just like so, I was so excited. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I've always felt, well, even though I'm
Speaker 1: a fan, I feel like over the years seeing you
Speaker 1: around and you were so cool with posts some moods
Speaker 1: and I don't know, we just have fun. The brief
Speaker 1: times we saw you, I just thought we would get
Speaker 1: along and I felt very at ease with you playing
Speaker 1: music and writing songs. And it was weird because I
Speaker 1: really was surprised that I wasn't more withholding of my
Speaker 1: own ideas because I do think of you as a
Speaker 1: you know, you're way more accomplished songwriter than I am.
Speaker 1: But it was just so fun and I felt that
Speaker 1: energy from you, and I feel like it worked really well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. No, I mean I feel like.
Speaker 6: We've always had like a real strong friend chemistry. Yeah,
Speaker 6: me too, even from the first time I told you
Speaker 6: you got the lyrics wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I took it with a lot of Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, it was hilarious, but also a little
Speaker 1: bit horrified, I was. I mean, it was great. I
Speaker 1: love playing music with you, so yeah, it was so fun.
Speaker 6: I remember the first time we met at the Jules
Speaker 6: Holland thing. I was we were playing I'm the Man
Speaker 6: who Loves You and I have like a crazy loud,
Speaker 6: fuzzed out guitar solo, and I felt I was scared
Speaker 6: I was gonna hurt your ears because they had seated
Speaker 6: you directly at like a little table directly in.
Speaker 3: Front of us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think my amp was aimed straight into
Speaker 6: your head, and I'm like, oh my god, I just
Speaker 6: can't believe I'm gonna have to do this.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna make me go down Grace record.
Speaker 1: Which one do you want to do? Do you want
Speaker 1: to do I'm alive?
Speaker 3: Or yeah?
Speaker 1: Or okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that okay?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, it's great. I just didn't know which one. Let
Speaker 1: me just grab my.
Speaker 11: Yay, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I put this album out during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: so I never got to play with this this with
Speaker 1: a band. Oh wow, And it's actually the last time
Speaker 1: I saw you was like the week before Lockdown when
Speaker 1: we did the video for this.
Speaker 20: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, that was like probably the last time I
Speaker 6: flew yeah before I just came here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, possible, Yeah, I think I think it is.
Speaker 1: It is so I've been doing all these like solo
Speaker 1: piano versions of the song, which I never thought i'd do.
Speaker 1: But it's great.
Speaker 3: I'll just hang on for dear life.
Speaker 21: No, no, it's great.
Speaker 13: Jess anyway, don't move.
Speaker 15: Just says it.
Speaker 11: You can hope and pray, you can move, baby, things
Speaker 11: will change. I feel your song get her love dout.
Speaker 13: Wow, world implodes. You just live with that.
Speaker 11: She walks, she runs, She fights, almost as one fight.
Speaker 13: Her voice shem. She has no choice.
Speaker 18: She's crushed my thoughts and night.
Speaker 1: Oh man, who wants?
Speaker 13: Who writes? And you?
Speaker 14: Jelie waits.
Speaker 13: Oh she is alive. Yeah, she's alive.
Speaker 14: She is alive.
Speaker 13: Oh she's alive.
Speaker 7: He screams, He shats the head are TV bow They
Speaker 7: take the bait.
Speaker 13: They made road way, feed.
Speaker 18: The bray down walls to free their saints and the.
Speaker 1: Little hat comecake very.
Speaker 14: All watch. I think.
Speaker 11: I dance and sometimes I drink. I see my sons.
Speaker 11: I'll hope someone says.
Speaker 21: Mon.
Speaker 11: If I should break.
Speaker 10: My side streak, will.
Speaker 13: Now lives come down.
Speaker 12: To good?
Speaker 13: My gee.
Speaker 11: Oh I'm alive. Yes, I'm alive.
Speaker 10: I'm alive.
Speaker 11: I'm alive, but I'm live. Yes, I'm alive, but I'm alive.
Speaker 22: I'm alive, Okay, alive.
Speaker 13: I know the things.
Speaker 18: It's all right, it's okay.
Speaker 11: Maybe things would change.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 1: I remember I tried to play drums on this, but
Speaker 1: Spencer was so much better. I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to play drums. But I loved playing with you and
Speaker 1: Spencer together. It was so fun.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's me too. We love playing with you. Obviously.
Speaker 6: It was so such an incredible fun time to get
Speaker 6: to do that. But for me, you know, I love
Speaker 6: playing with Wilco, I love playing with, you know.
Speaker 3: Lots of musicians. I've been lucky to play with a
Speaker 3: lot of great musicians.
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's really nothing like playing with your own
Speaker 6: DNA or something like.
Speaker 1: Well that's what they say. Like the Everly Brothers hook up,
Speaker 1: that was just there was just something about that.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, how I mean, I so many tracks on
Speaker 6: Love is the King are not to a click, just
Speaker 6: me playing acoustic guitar and him coming in later and
Speaker 6: putting drums on it. And people don't seem to do that.
Speaker 6: It's like, just it's not that common. I don't think
Speaker 6: for people to do that.
Speaker 1: It's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's really hard. But he never has any problem.
Speaker 6: He like understands where I you know, I don't have
Speaker 6: terrible time, but I'm not perfect, but.
Speaker 1: Well you have your own unique sense of time.
Speaker 6: Right, So he just he just has been hearing that
Speaker 6: his whole life or something. So he just like kind
Speaker 6: of dips and ebbs and flows where it feels right.
Speaker 6: And it's really really kind of I don't know, interesting.
Speaker 6: I think I would love to know why it works.
Speaker 6: So well, but at the same time, I don't really
Speaker 6: need to know.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the beauty of it is not it's not
Speaker 1: a technical thing that you can know. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just it's called chemistry.
Speaker 6: And then yeah, it's beautiful. But it's the thing I
Speaker 6: guess I'm trying to express is like, when we play together,
Speaker 6: it's obviously there and it's like it's really effortless and
Speaker 6: fun and we you know, just really hear each other
Speaker 6: super clear, clearly. But the thing that I always think
Speaker 6: it is a very amazing is that it still sounds
Speaker 6: that way when we do it separately.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened on this song is like I was trying
Speaker 1: to play drums for some reason, but then he came
Speaker 1: in after and overed up the drums, but we did
Speaker 1: not do it to a click uhh, And so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, is he going to be able
Speaker 1: to and it was so perfect it's crazy.
Speaker 6: We did the Pop Staples record that Spencer and I
Speaker 6: completed with Mavis's Blessing. She kind of brought these recordings
Speaker 6: in that he had worked on before he died, and
Speaker 6: they were never finished to anyone's satisfaction. And so we
Speaker 6: did like Spencer and I as a rhythm section and
Speaker 6: played along with just Pop's voice and his guitar, and
Speaker 6: those weren't to a click or anything either. So it
Speaker 6: was just like just kind of trying to get in
Speaker 6: the head space of we're playing in the room and
Speaker 6: closing your eyes and playing with Pops and it was
Speaker 6: really kind.
Speaker 3: Of it was. Yeah, it was. I had a lot
Speaker 3: of like.
Speaker 6: Just crazy eerie feelings of him his presence or something.
Speaker 3: This is it really he really is present.
Speaker 6: His voice is I mean, the voice is a huge
Speaker 6: part of you who a person is, you know, just
Speaker 6: having it in your headphones listening and listening so intently
Speaker 6: to try and follow that was a really beautiful experience.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was, you know, he was able to
Speaker 6: do that too, which was really exciting.
Speaker 13: The rows and rows of houses.
Speaker 8: With the windows spinning, blow with a light from a TV.
Speaker 13: Round a palel, do you but there is no sunken
Speaker 13: treasure rumored to be wrapped inside my ribs in the sea.
Speaker 14: Blaye with a.
Speaker 13: I am so out of tune.
Speaker 3: With you.
Speaker 13: I am so out of tune.
Speaker 12: With you.
Speaker 13: If I had a mountain.
Speaker 8: A child to fold it over. And if I had.
Speaker 13: A boat, I'm probably roll over. But I leave it
Speaker 13: all the shore.
Speaker 8: I leave it for somebody. Surely there's somebody.
Speaker 13: Who needs it more than me. I am so.
Speaker 5: Out of tune with you. I am so out too.
Speaker 13: With you. For all the leagues we burned, autumn fires, then.
Speaker 20: Return all the fires we burned, all will return.
Speaker 8: Music is my savior. I was maimed by rock and roll.
Speaker 13: I was maimed by.
Speaker 8: Rock and roll.
Speaker 13: I was teamed by rock and roll. I got my
Speaker 13: name from.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll. I love that signe. It's very emotional.
Speaker 1: There's that chord though that I have no idea what
Speaker 1: it is, the last one, the last one, and that.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, I was looking at you want to go
Speaker 3: for that part.
Speaker 1: Of I wasn't sure what was happening. But I just
Speaker 1: try to ghost that one.
Speaker 3: That court a little bit, but me too.
Speaker 6: I didn't have a pick I forgot to put a
Speaker 6: pick up, so I was just kind of like trying
Speaker 6: to But.
Speaker 3: It was good. I liked it. I liked it. I
Speaker 3: liked that version.
Speaker 1: I love I love that song.
Speaker 6: It's it probably doesn't need the dissonance in the second
Speaker 6: in this type of version, but it's can edit it
Speaker 6: out if you need to.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: No, I love that part. It confused me at first
Speaker 1: because I was like, what what are those chors? I
Speaker 1: don't understand it, And then I'm used to it. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love that part.
Speaker 3: This part of the song, that song was improvised.
Speaker 6: That version on the record is improvised in the studio,
Speaker 6: and uh, like I had had some of the lyrics
Speaker 6: and I this part, and I had the chorus in
Speaker 6: this and but there was no middle section or anything,
Speaker 6: and so it's basically kind of got through everything I
Speaker 6: had and and the band was still playing, so I
Speaker 6: just started. I was like, kind of improvised like a
Speaker 6: dissonant section. Everybody kind of went with it was amazing.
Speaker 6: And then all of the lyrics from that point on,
Speaker 6: like the for all the Leavey Ben and Autumn Fiz
Speaker 6: and then that's all improvised.
Speaker 1: And the and the music is my savior. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's it was very emotional when I was listening
Speaker 1: to it. It's it's pretty great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like, it's very true. It happens sometimes.
Speaker 6: It happens like that sometimes, and yeah, you feel really
Speaker 6: really lucky to be in a part of it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I love I love it when it happens.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it.
Speaker 6: I think it happens a lot more than people think
Speaker 6: it does. What just doesn't happen is making it happen.
Speaker 1: No, you can't like.
Speaker 6: But you have to put yourself in the way of it.
Speaker 6: It's sort of the same thing in the book, like
Speaker 6: writing songs, you don't they don't happen if you don't
Speaker 6: pick up the guitar, and it don't doesn't happen. You
Speaker 6: don't write something unless you pick up the pencil or
Speaker 6: something like that. And and something like this doesn't happen
Speaker 6: unless you you convene exactly, you get together and make
Speaker 6: make an effort to be in the way of something
Speaker 6: beautiful potentially happening.
Speaker 1: That's the best I mean. I remember I used to
Speaker 1: always come to the studio with songs to record, either
Speaker 1: my own or covers. But I never wrote in the
Speaker 1: studio until maybe two thousand and nine, I want to say.
Speaker 1: And I made a record with Danger Mass and that's
Speaker 1: how we wanted to do it. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I've never done that before, and it was it opened
Speaker 1: up my whole world. And that's why I felt confident
Speaker 1: enough to come and do that with you, because I
Speaker 1: had just never thought to do that before. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's the best.
Speaker 3: It's really great.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like it's just like it's just an active discovery
Speaker 6: each day. And they're like just like like the question
Speaker 6: isn't what do I want to say? It's like how
Speaker 6: do I find out what I want to say?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: If I talking? Yeah, yeah, it's true. I love that. Well,
Speaker 1: do you have time for one more? And then we
Speaker 1: can you can go to your show.
Speaker 3: Which one is this?
Speaker 1: You want to do a muzzle of bees? Should that
Speaker 1: be okay?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 8: It's a random painted highway and the muzzle the beast.
Speaker 8: My seeds are come on stitched from climbing the tree
Speaker 8: when dogs left and sand it barking.
Speaker 13: I don't think they're mean.
Speaker 8: Some people get so frightening the fences in between.
Speaker 13: The sun gets passed from tree to tree silently and
Speaker 13: back to me.
Speaker 23: With there he's going through, pushed up against the scene,
Speaker 23: finally back to me.
Speaker 13: I'm assuming you got my message on your machine. I'm
Speaker 13: assuming you love me.
Speaker 3: And you know what that means.
Speaker 13: The sun gets passed from sea to sea.
Speaker 24: Silently and back to me with the breeze bone through pushed.
Speaker 15: Up above the leaves, with.
Speaker 13: The breeze bone through my head upon your knees. Half
Speaker 13: of it's you and half is me. H. Half that's
Speaker 13: you and half is me.
Speaker 3: That's not an easy subbody to with that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for playing with me.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was great to see you and
Speaker 6: pleasure great, great thrill to be asked to do anything
Speaker 6: with you. I really wow.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you. I love is the king it is though,
Speaker 1: and I feel it and I I'm glad we get
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, thank you, Hey, thanks for listening. God,
Speaker 1: I had so much fun. That was so great, so fun.
Speaker 2: You just lock into each other.
Speaker 13: It's well.
Speaker 1: I picked songs for this that I knew. Most of
Speaker 1: them I knew really well. I mean, I've known that
Speaker 1: last song we did for twenty years and I've loved
Speaker 1: it so once I figured out what Q was in,
Speaker 1: it was pretty you know, it was like inside me already.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know quite what.
Speaker 13: It was needed to be released.
Speaker 1: I adore Jeff and thanks to Jeff for making it happen.
Speaker 1: Save it for me.
Speaker 25: When the world falls apart, I can say with certainty,
Speaker 25: there's a rain, a light laught flown in an empty room.
Speaker 25: Is how love can be.
Speaker 10: Rainbow in the mouth of clouds, darkened days?
Speaker 14: Who needs you?
Speaker 22: No rainbow, a mouthful of clouds, darkening days?
Speaker 14: Who needs me?
Speaker 17: Now?
Speaker 14: Save it for me?
Speaker 26: Where the world falls upon, I can say with certainty,
Speaker 26: apart left out that you can't consume, so sweet you
Speaker 26: cannot eat.
Speaker 11: Reason, no one will call today.
Speaker 1: This show was produced by Me and Sarah Oda. Mixing
Speaker 1: engineer was Jamie Landry, recording engineer was Matt Marinelli, and
Speaker 1: additional engineering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by Eliza Fry, photography
Speaker 1: by Shervin Linez. Save it fon me.
Speaker 18: Where the world falls upon, I can say