WEBVTT - Jeff Tweedy 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:12.719 Hi, I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to my Hi. Hi, 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.880 I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to play along. I 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.360 hope you I just had an espresso. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:17.639 You need to slow down. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.800 Five six seven. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.960 Hi, I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to playing along 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.000 with Norah Jones. Wait a second, Well. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.960 I think it's and today I'm playing along with ooh. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.800 Yeah, we got Hi. I'm Norah Jones. Today I'll be 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.560 playing along with Jeff Tweety. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:48.680 That was great, just playing alone with you, just playing 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.479 alone with you. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.120 Welcome to the show. I'm Norah Jones with me as always, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.480 Sarah Oda, what's up? Oda? 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.600 What's up here? I am your cohort. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.000 Sarah's my partner, she's producing the show. She's part of 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.399 my brain. We've been we've been together for a long time. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.400 Yes, And so why don't you tell us about this show? 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.000 Well, this is my excuse to play music with people, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.720 some who I know, some who I don't know that well, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:28.800 and to just sort of hang out. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.280 And you might just learn something new about some of 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:32.360 your favorite artists. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.360 I know I certainly did so. Today's guest is Jeff Tweety, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.520 Jeff tweety Can you just repeat everything I say? 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.640 Like all your effects. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.720 You might know him as the frontman of Willcoe or 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.320 countless other musical projects he's been a part of. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.760 He's collaborated with lots of different people, including one of 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.680 our favorite people, May the Staples. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.600 We're going to talk about a lot of this stuff 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.920 and more, and we're going to play some some songs 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.560 from his older catly with Wilco, as well as some 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.960 new songs. He is an incredible songwriter, a musician, one 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.160 of my favorites. Without further adieu, A do A do, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.160 wait a second. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.239 And you to you and you what is it you? 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.000 Without further ad maybe that's your thing. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:21.320 Wait, no, that doesn't work. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:21.959 It's your thing. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.400 I hope you enjoy the show. Here's Jeff tweety, tweety tweety. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:31.080 That sounds great. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.080 I love that. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.760 It's kel Croydon, kel Croydon. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:45.680 They were made for They're made by Gibson during the depression. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.040 Wow for a toy company. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.560 Oh that's why they has the birds. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.960 Yeah, and birds are hand painted. I have like six 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.160 of these and the birds are really wildly different on 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.400 all of them, depending on I think, depending on what day. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.400 Of the week they were painted. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:02.640 That's beautiful, you. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.720 Know, like Fridays the dots are all like, let's get 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.239 out of here. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.600 I love it. I should get one. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:08.400 You should. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:14.680 Yeah, they're really there's this weighs like less than three pounds. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.880 Oh. I love the lightest. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.600 Guitar because I hate carrying guitars. They're just so heavy. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:24.160 It's for kids. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.919 Yeah, I know you're not a gearhead. That's why I'm 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.120 let's just talk about you want to. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.079 Talk about gear I am not a gearhead, but I'm 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.000 still interested. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.040 I mean I start glazing over sometimes if it gets 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:36.760 too geary. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.400 But I sensed it. I sensed it yours, I totally felt. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.240 I just felt with me. Okay, stay with you. I'm here, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.440 So thanks for doing my podcast. I'm just going to 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:46.440 take a nap over here. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.120 I have that effect on a lot of people. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:54.880 Yeah, exactly. So, so what about the tweety show, Like 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.520 how do I train my kids to be in a 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.720 band with me when they're older, or how do I 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:00.920 trick him into doing that? 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:01.720 Do I just not? 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.880 I just tell them I never want to play music 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.360 with them. Like, how how did that end up being 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.800 so wonderfully? You know amazing. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:19.440 Uh, Spencer, I think just came out of the womb 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.320 wanting to play music. And he's you know, he used 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.920 to ask to be you know, ask us to sit 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.960 him at the drum kit and hold him up before 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.120 he could even get on the drum throne by himself. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:30.680 Wow. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:31.560 And he would play. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.360 And even my wife's rock club, they had a drum 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.760 kit in the basement, and the bands that would be 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.719 playing there like, come here, you got to check this 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.760 kid out. He's like, he seems like he knows what 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.480 he's doing. But he was only like one or two 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:45.039 years old. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:45.960 It's pretty great. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:46.320 Yeah. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.479 So he had like a natural you know interest that 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.920 was really sweet, and he just kind of I don't know, 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.880 I don't remember him practicing or getting good. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.479 It just feels like he always just happened how to 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.680 do it. And so. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.160 Spencer and I that was like our version of playing catch, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.680 and it still is, you know, I think. Yeah, Sammy 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.800 resisted I think a little bit because it was his 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.640 older brother's thing, and it was so natural for Spencer 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.960 that he seemed to want to find his own thing 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.640 for a long time and then eventually he just surrendered. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.719 You know that this is something fun to do, and 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.840 he started joining in and he discovered that he has 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.680 a you know, has a sweet voice and felt empowered singing, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.200 so he started singing more. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.400 With us and so great. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.839 But I think I think the main thing is to 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.360 just not let it be a drag. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.560 I know, that's kind of what It's delicate because anytime 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.880 I tell them to do anything or try to get 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.520 them to learn something, they immediately resist it. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:01.960 So yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.800 I think, you know, parents struggle with this. How hard 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.120 do you push somebody and are they going to thank 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.680 you for it later if or regret that you didn't 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:11.480 push them harder? 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:12.080 You know. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.880 I feel like that with the piano for Sammy in particular, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.039 because he was so resistant to it that we just 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.080 kind of, you know, backed off, and now that it's 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.760 so important to him, I feel like we kind of 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.440 undersold it to him a little bit. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:26.880 Yeah. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.680 Well, like when I was little, as soon as I 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.960 started taking piano lessons, I wanted to quit because I 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.440 didn't want to practice every week, you know, And my 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.320 mom said, well, you can quit after you take for 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.720 five years, and so that was her kind of compromise. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.000 So by that point I had enough to continue if 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.040 I wanted to pick it back up, which I did. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.279 but yeah, it's weird. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.800 It's like, yeah, it just you know, it just ends 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.960 up being part of the I don't know, just part 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.240 of how it happens for an individual. For Sammy, it 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.080 kind of maybe opened the door to him finding it 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.120 and see your appreciation for it, you know. But no, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.000 never know what would have happened if you pushed him 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.200 a little harder on that, but. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.160 He not wanted to do it. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.440 Yeah, he might have liked it's just really developed a 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.760 hatred for it. But yeah, no, he ended up really 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.920 gravitating towards synthesis and and electronic music and learning how 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.480 to put all that together. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.760 Which he's a really he's really expert. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.080 At all of that, and so he kind of came 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.960 at it from a weirder angle. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.080 Yeah, but that's weird. Is good? 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.640 No, it's great, weirdo. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.120 Would you like to play a song with me? 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:37.679 Sure? 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.680 Do you think? Let's see, should we try to do 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:47.880 Jesus et cetera? Because it's we have history together your song. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.840 You have history with it, of course, but we kind 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.800 of have history with that song. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.480 Yeah, I remember. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:56.280 When I got the words wrong. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.760 I remember that. Yeah, you said it's all we got 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.200 so well, so I really did, and that what you 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:03.720 thought it was. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.280 I thought that's what the lyrics were. And I didn't 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.880 even google them because I loved the song so much, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.120 and I really thought that the lyrics were our love 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.360 is all we got, Tonny, and they were not. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.040 Yeah, I mean, which it does sound. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.680 Like that when you google lyrics all the time, I 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:27.800 mean they come out. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.160 Wrong and oh all of my Yeah, so I think 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.160 if you google these they're probably wrong. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.720 Well, can I ask you a question? Is it voices 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.080 wine or voices cry? We're both? 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.160 What's it say on their cry? 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:43.920 It says wine. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.440 I don't know until I'm singing it. To be honest, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.880 I think it's wine. But do you think it's cry? 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.720 No, I think you're it's I don't think anything. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:55.560 It's your son. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.480 Do you know, like when Lenny Bruce was that money 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:06.400 Bruce phil Oaks was testifying in a courtroom about some 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.160 of his songs having some obscenity or something like that. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.400 They asked him some of his lyrics and he couldn't 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.720 remember him and they had to get him a guitar 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:16.680 and he could remember them. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.679 Yeah, that's kind of how it is. I know what 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.040 you mean. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.360 Well, but when we get to that, it'll be interesting 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.200 because now it's. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.040 In my head, like I shouldn't have said a word. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.280 One time we did this song, we did live band 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.640 karaoke and we had contest winners sing the songs at 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.600 our festival, Solid Sound, and we put a bouncing ball 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.400 version of all the songs up on the screen behind us, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:47.920 and the crowd was just like, huh. They bended all 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.080 of the lyrics except for Jesus et cetera. I just 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.560 assumed it would be right, and it was like really 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:53.520 really off. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.160 It was probably from my recording of it. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.480 Probably Yeah, They're like, oh, we. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.600 Got what we got, Tony. I was so. I was 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.200 like shocked when you said that to me, You're like, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 so you changed the lyrics that lyric and I was like, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.520 what are you talking about, Jeff tweety, Well, this is 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.760 one of my favorite songs in the last twenty years. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.160 When was this released twenty more than ago? Exactly like 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.040 twenty years ago. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.559 On September it was the record was supposed to come 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.720 out on September eleventh, two thousand and one, and we 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.439 were dropped from our label, so that release date went away, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.720 and we ended up streaming it on September eighteenth for 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.079 free on the internet. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:34.800 Wow. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.760 And then it officially came out I think in April 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.960 or something of two thousand and two. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.880 Yeah, And my first record came out in February of 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.200 two thousand and two, and I met you for the 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.040 first time of the Jules Holland Show. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.760 Right, yeah, yeah, and we were doing songs off of 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:52.240 this record. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.600 Yeah, and this is like my first sort of introduction 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.040 to you. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.600 Oh well, so I probably not alone in that. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.240 But you know, it's a good introduction. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:21.960 Jesus, don't cry, you can allow on me, honey. You 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:33.480 can combine any thing you are. I'll stick around you, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:40.839 Ride about the stars. Each one is a set egg song, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:53.160 tall buildings, shaped voices, scared singing, said said songs, turned 0:11:53.320 --> 0:12:00.880 to chords, Strong down your cheeks, bitter melodies, turning your ub. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:12.199 Round, don't cry you carry lie on me, honey. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:23.040 You can combine any time you want a be round. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.600 You ride aboy the stars. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:42.960 Each one is a setting inside, tall building, shake voices. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:48.120 Escape singing, such sass songs, do not to God, Strong 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:48.840 down the. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.920 Chicks bedle Mallese, turning you all bit around? 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:58.760 What's this? 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:06.559 One scotscraper is a screen eadband together your voice. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.040 He's smoking last cigarettes. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:17.600 All you can get, turning your old bittle round. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:30.720 I love, I love, I love It's. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:31.599 All we have. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:45.520 I love, I love this all of God's money. Everyone 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:59.719 is a burning song, down't building ship voices, scared singing sets, assholes, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:07.240 two two colds, strong, down your cheeks, little melodies, turning 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.679 your all bit around. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.880 Buzzes one. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.840 Skyscrapers a scrape together your voice. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.760 He's smoking last cigarettes. All you can. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:35.560 Get, turning your all bit around, last cigarettes all you 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.640 can get, turning your all. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:47.240 Bit around, last cigarettes all you can get, turning your 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.200 all bit around. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.920 Awesome. Hey, thanks for letting me sing that with you. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.080 It's like my dream pleasure. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.400 Would you say that this is one of your most 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.840 Like people love this song the most, not the most, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.120 but like one of the songs. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:08.800 Yeah. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.480 I think it's probably the most well known song, and 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:13.600 it's certainly. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.040 Just judging by covers and stuff. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.920 It's one of the only songs I've written that has 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.080 like multiple multiple covers around. I mean, there's like a 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:30.160 Swedish version of it, and you know, a lot of 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.800 it just comes up every once in a while. It 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.080 seems like once a year somebody kind of covers it, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.560 which is really really nice. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.920 It's a great song, is it? The kind of because 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:45.120 you have such a huge catalog, and I feel like 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.760 you also have very very die hard fans. I mean, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.600 I know a lot of bands do, a lot of 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.520 artists do, but I feel like yours are very specific. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:55.560 They're pretty hardcore. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.520 They're very hardcore, and they're amazing. I mean, do you 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.000 do you feel like when you're writing a set list 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:07.720 do you feel stressed about balancing stuff? I'm curious about 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.200 that because I sometimes do, and I have like way 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:11.480 less catalog than you. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:17.960 But you know, we just got We toured a lot 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.920 just recently on that trip, kind of because it was 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.200 kind of a big outdoor bill and the shows were 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.200 a little bit shorter than a normal Wilco show. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.160 It felt like we really just didn't even worry about it. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 We kind of did roughly the same set every night 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.640 and just swapped out a few songs because I don't know, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.280 I just wanted after two years, I kind of wanted 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.040 everybody that was coming to not leave thinking they didn't 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.360 hear one of I don't know. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.240 It's kind of like a for whatever Wilco has his hits. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.760 It was kind of like the Greatest Hits. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.680 Show, which is not how you usually do it, don't 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.160 you so much? 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:01.160 Normally we do it where here's how I balance it generally. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.280 I look, I actually call up the last time we 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.280 played in that town. Yeah, and I look at the setlist, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.440 and I try and make it at least half different 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.720 from the last time we were in town. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:15.200 And and you. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.280 Know, Jesus et Cetera is probably the most well known 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.000 voco song. But we've gotten away with playing lots of 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:23.120 shows without playing. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.840 Without playing it. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:30.240 And we don't really have that song that that people. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.680 I mean, maybe a good maybe a percentage of the 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.159 audience walks away going I can't believe they didn't play that, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:40.199 But for the most part, our fans don't. I don't know. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.159 That's one of the benefits of not having hits. It 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.359 might be the only benefit of not having hits. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.719 No, I know, you mean, but like, I feel like 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.159 your fans are also so hardcore. They probably they're just 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.120 like maybe they're excited that you didn't. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.600 Play it too, you know, I had a really disturbing experience. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.600 Yeah, maybe you know, like, yeah, they went deep for me. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:17:59.520 Yeah. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:05.520 We started doing this request thing on our website, and 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:11.280 it was kind of disturbing because every every night, every 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:16.000 song gets one vote, like every song in the whole 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.760 catalog gets one vote every night unless somebody hacks it, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.320 and like sort of like ask for a super deep cut, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.879 like with four hundred votes, you just know some you know, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.840 computer wizard like is coming to the show. But for 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.640 the most part, I started, like when I started doing 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.000 solo shows and I would look at the request list 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.840 for the show, I'd just be like, what, Like, how 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.120 do I know which ones to pick from this? Everybody 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:40.919 just has one Every song has one vote. So I 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.720 started telling the audience that when they hear the song 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.560 they came to hear, they should leave, so I know 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:46.160 when to quit. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.800 That's funny, That's a good way to do it. Except 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.520 it didn't help. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.440 No, I was like, play four hundred songs, yeah, but. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.520 I mean that's great that you have all those songs. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.760 I guess, so, yeah, I mean I would have would 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.840 have been nice to have a hit. Maybe I think 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.840 that that ship is probably sailed at this point. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.200 I mean, I think I think you're doing just fine. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.800 Do you ever get asked that question about who you 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.359 want to whose career you'd want to emulate. I always 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.760 thought that was kind of a lame question from journalists. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.600 You know, you get that question, right, or have you, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:17.880 like in the past. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.200 We used to get it a long time ago, and 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.760 I mean at that time when we were starting out, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.639 I think I would always say something like Ram or 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.920 Randy Newman or just somebody that's been around a long 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.040 time and has had like the opportunity to make a 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.679 lot of different records and a lot of Yeah. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.560 But but I mean, did you ever think of that 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.640 answer until somebody would ask you that question? 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.040 No, I was like, I never really, I mean I 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:51.639 stopped modeling what we do on other people. By the 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.280 time we made us an independent record and we're touring 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.240 in a van totally. That was like, Oh my god, 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.120 this is the coolest thing. This is the high I've 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.000 always like out lived my dreams. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:01.199 You know. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.719 That was like as cool as it could get. I 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.360 never went to a lot of big rock shows when 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.479 I was a kid. I went to small shows and 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.399 punk rock shows and stuff. So the arena playing bigger 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.920 places was I never could picture myself doing it because 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.760 it wasn't something I had experienced a lot, and we 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.840 haven't done a whole lot of it, but we've definitely 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.320 played way bigger venues in stages than I would have 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.480 ever anticipated, and it was a growing experience. Certainly had 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.240 to kind of like learn how to do that as 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.200 a challenge, which I'm glad. It was a cool challenge 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.080 to figure out how to make that feel right. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.960 Well, it's like you just keep rolling along and trying 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.480 new things. So I was thinking about that question today 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.600 when I was sort of preparing for this, and I 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.600 always like, I don't know, like I always say, like 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.000 Dolly Parton or Joni Mitchell, but the truth is I 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.240 never think of it outside of being asked that question. Today, 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:59.720 I was thinking, like you, like, I love You're exactly 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.119 who I feel like if I had to model my 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.120 career after anyone. And I feel like at this point 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.720 I've outgrown that question a little bit, but like, sure, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.359 I love how adventurous you are and you're always doing 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:18.040 something different, and it's it's like thing songs for this 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.160 was impossible. So many good ones. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.240 Well, thank you. I mean, I mean, well you don't. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.879 I mean, I think everybody, I think with the aspiration 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.600 should be for everybody to have one that doesn't look 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.400 exactly like anybody else's exactly and you totally have that. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.359 Well yeah, I mean I think that's why I always 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.399 thought that was such a silly question, because it's like, 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.280 I don't really want to be like anybody else. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:46.679 You've kind of used I feel like, you know, like 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.000 you have this massive, massive success, like right out of 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.080 the gate, and a lot of people I think, I mean, 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.119 I don't know, we've never really talked about it, so 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.280 I don't know how disorienting any of that was. I'm 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:04.960 assuming it was probably pretty disorienting. But but I think 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.919 that you took control of it really quickly, and I 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.320 think that that I always thought that was really admirable 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.280 because you didn't. I felt like, I just watching you 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.239