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Speaker 1: hope you I just had an espresso.

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Speaker 2: You need to slow down.

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Speaker 3: Five six seven.

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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Norah Jones and you're listening to playing along

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Speaker 1: with Norah Jones. Wait a second, Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's and today I'm playing along with ooh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Hi. I'm Norah Jones. Today I'll be

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Speaker 1: playing along with Jeff Tweety.

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Speaker 4: That was great, just playing alone with you, just playing

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Speaker 4: alone with you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Norah Jones with me as always,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Oda, what's up? Oda?

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Speaker 2: What's up here? I am your cohort.

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Speaker 1: Sarah's my partner, she's producing the show. She's part of

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Speaker 1: my brain. We've been we've been together for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so why don't you tell us about this show?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is my excuse to play music with people,

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Speaker 1: some who I know, some who I don't know that well,

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Speaker 1: and to just sort of hang out.

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Speaker 2: And you might just learn something new about some of

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Speaker 2: your favorite artists.

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Speaker 1: I know I certainly did so. Today's guest is Jeff Tweety,

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Speaker 1: Jeff tweety Can you just repeat everything I say?

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Speaker 2: Like all your effects.

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Speaker 1: You might know him as the frontman of Willcoe or

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Speaker 1: countless other musical projects he's been a part of.

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Speaker 2: He's collaborated with lots of different people, including one of

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Speaker 2: our favorite people, May the Staples.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a lot of this stuff

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Speaker 1: and more, and we're going to play some some songs

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Speaker 1: from his older catly with Wilco, as well as some

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Speaker 1: new songs. He is an incredible songwriter, a musician, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites. Without further adieu, A do A do,

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Speaker 5: And you to you and you what is it you?

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Speaker 2: Without further ad maybe that's your thing.

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Speaker 1: Wait, no, that doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: It's your thing.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the show. Here's Jeff tweety, tweety tweety.

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Speaker 3: That sounds great.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's kel Croydon, kel Croydon.

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Speaker 6: They were made for They're made by Gibson during the depression.

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Speaker 6: Wow for a toy company.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why they has the birds.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and birds are hand painted. I have like six

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Speaker 6: of these and the birds are really wildly different on

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Speaker 3: Of the week they were painted.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, like Fridays the dots are all like, let's get

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Speaker 1: I love it. I should get one.

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Speaker 3: You should.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're really there's this weighs like less than three pounds.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I love the lightest.

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Speaker 1: Guitar because I hate carrying guitars. They're just so heavy.

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Speaker 1: It's for kids.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know you're not a gearhead. That's why I'm

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Speaker 7: Talk about gear I am not a gearhead, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean I start glazing over sometimes if it gets

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Speaker 3: But I sensed it. I sensed it yours, I totally felt.

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Speaker 1: I just felt with me. Okay, stay with you. I'm here,

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Speaker 1: So thanks for doing my podcast. I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: I have that effect on a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, so what about the tweety show, Like

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Speaker 3: Do I just not?

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Speaker 1: I just tell them I never want to play music

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Speaker 6: Uh, Spencer, I think just came out of the womb

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Speaker 3: And he would play.

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Speaker 6: And even my wife's rock club, they had a drum

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Speaker 1: I know, that's kind of what It's delicate because anytime

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Speaker 6: I feel like that with the piano for Sammy in particular,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he might have liked it's just really developed a

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Speaker 3: Which he's a really he's really expert.

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Speaker 6: At all of that, and so he kind of came

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's weird. Is good?

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Speaker 3: No, it's great, weirdo.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to play a song with me?

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Speaker 1: Do you think? Let's see, should we try to do

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Speaker 1: Jesus et cetera? Because it's we have history together your song.

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Speaker 1: You have history with it, of course, but we kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember.

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Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah, you said it's all we got

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Speaker 1: I thought that's what the lyrics were. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: Like that when you google lyrics all the time, I

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Speaker 6: Wrong and oh all of my Yeah, so I think

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Speaker 1: Well, can I ask you a question? Is it voices

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Speaker 3: What's it say on their cry?

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Speaker 1: It says wine.

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Speaker 6: I don't know until I'm singing it. To be honest,

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Speaker 6: I think it's wine. But do you think it's cry?

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Speaker 6: They asked him some of his lyrics and he couldn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how it is. I know what

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Speaker 1: In my head, like I shouldn't have said a word.

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Speaker 6: One time we did this song, we did live band

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Speaker 6: our festival, Solid Sound, and we put a bouncing ball

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Speaker 6: and the crowd was just like, huh. They bended all

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Speaker 1: It was probably from my recording of it.

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Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, They're like, oh, we.

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Speaker 1: Got what we got, Tony. I was so. I was

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Speaker 1: like shocked when you said that to me, You're like,

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Speaker 1: so you changed the lyrics that lyric and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Jeff tweety, Well, this is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: When was this released twenty more than ago? Exactly like

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago.

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Speaker 6: On September it was the record was supposed to come

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Speaker 6: out on September eleventh, two thousand and one, and we

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Speaker 6: and we ended up streaming it on September eighteenth for

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Speaker 6: And then it officially came out I think in April

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And my first record came out in February of

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Speaker 1: first time of the Jules Holland Show.

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, and we were doing songs off of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is like my first sort of introduction

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Speaker 8: Ride about the stars. Each one is a set egg song,

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Speaker 12: Chicks bedle Mallese, turning you all bit around?

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Speaker 12: All you can get, turning your old bittle round.

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Speaker 14: I love, I love, I love It's.

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Speaker 8: Skyscrapers a scrape together your voice.

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Speaker 13: He's smoking last cigarettes. All you can.

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Speaker 16: Get, turning your all bit around, last cigarettes all you

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Hey, thanks for letting me sing that with you.

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Speaker 3: It's like my dream pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that this is one of your most

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Speaker 6: I think it's probably the most well known song, and

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Speaker 6: It's one of the only songs I've written that has

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Speaker 1: It's a great song, is it? The kind of because

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Speaker 3: They're pretty hardcore.

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Speaker 1: They're very hardcore, and they're amazing. I mean, do you

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Speaker 6: But you know, we just got We toured a lot

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Speaker 3: It felt like we really just didn't even worry about it.

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Speaker 6: We kind of did roughly the same set every night

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like a for whatever Wilco has his hits.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of like the Greatest Hits.

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Speaker 1: Show, which is not how you usually do it, don't

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Speaker 6: Normally we do it where here's how I balance it generally.

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Speaker 3: And and you.

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Speaker 6: Know, Jesus et Cetera is probably the most well known

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Speaker 1: Without playing it. Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

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Speaker 6: And we don't really have that song that that people.

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Speaker 6: But for the most part, our fans don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the benefits of not having hits. It

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Speaker 1: No, I know, you mean, but like, I feel like

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Speaker 6: Play it too, you know, I had a really disturbing experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you know, like, yeah, they went deep for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: We started doing this request thing on our website, and

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Speaker 6: like with four hundred votes, you just know some you know,

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Speaker 1: That's funny, That's a good way to do it. Except

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Speaker 3: No, I was like, play four hundred songs, yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's great that you have all those songs.

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Speaker 6: I guess, so, yeah, I mean I would have would

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think you're doing just fine.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get asked that question about who you

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Speaker 1: You know, you get that question, right, or have you,

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Speaker 6: We used to get it a long time ago, and

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Speaker 1: But but I mean, did you ever think of that

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Speaker 6: No, I was like, I never really, I mean I

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Speaker 6: this is the coolest thing. This is the high I've

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Speaker 6: That was like as cool as it could get. I

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Speaker 6: a challenge, which I'm glad. It was a cool challenge

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like you just keep rolling along and trying

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Speaker 1: new things. So I was thinking about that question today

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, like you, like, I love You're exactly

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Speaker 1: I've outgrown that question a little bit, but like, sure,

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Speaker 1: I love how adventurous you are and you're always doing

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I mean, I mean, well you don't.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think everybody, I think with the aspiration

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I think that's why I always

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Speaker 6: You've kind of used I feel like, you know, like

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Speaker 6: I don't know, we've never really talked about it, so

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Speaker 6: And I don't think that occurs to a lot of.

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Speaker 1: I don't either. I think it was just dumb. Luck

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Speaker 1: for me, it was just like, oh cool, Oh I

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Speaker 1: get to do whatever I want. I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like plotting anything because I think when you're young,

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Speaker 1: you just keep rolling and that's yeah, that's what you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I from the outside it looks like being sort

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, having a certain amount of confidence

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Speaker 1: To do exactly. You're just you're just enjoying.

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Speaker 6: I almost couldn't do it if in a way that

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't I don't know.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, I really love being outside

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Speaker 6: I love I love her. I love you know, And yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was really nice seeing the stuff I had learned

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's one of my favorite records too,

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Speaker 1: The Mavis record that song too, I mean that You're

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Speaker 1: you Are Not Alone song, thank You. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: But it's just such a great songs.

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Speaker 6: It's gorgeous. I forgot I played last night and I

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Speaker 3: You were going to play it. I was going to

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Speaker 6: Like I would I don't know, like I would be

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Speaker 6: milking the moment of people being out of the houses

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00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 6: for the first time or something like. I thought about

448
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 6: singing and I was like, oh, that's gonna I don't know.

449
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 6: I got really self conscious about it on stage.

450
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean, do you get self conscious?

451
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: N It feels emotional every time.

452
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: It's very emotional song. It's incredibly emotional. That's what's so

453
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: moving about it. And it's very universal. You know, her

454
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: singing it is universal, but some people might relate to

455
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: it one way you singing it, people might relate to

456
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: it another way.

457
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there'd already been a lot of stuff last night,

458
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Speaker 6: I mean, just the whole you know, it really felt

459
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 6: that it was the first time in a crowd like

460
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 6: that for a lot of people, and it certainly the

461
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 6: first time I've done a solo show in a in

462
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 6: a crowded room, and so there were a lot of

463
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 6: moments throughout the show that already felt like that emotional.

464
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 6: It should been scratched or something.

465
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't want to send them home bawling.

466
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 6: That's usually my goal, leave them wanting less and depressed.

467
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 6: Hey full Yeah, is everybody having a good time? Yeah,

468
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 6: we'll see what we can do about that.

469
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I do have a little fomo because I

470
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: haven't gone to a show and I haven't played a

471
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: show yet since everything.

472
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 6: So at the beginning of the summer before we went out,

473
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 6: you know, it felt like, oh, this is going to

474
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 6: be amazing. And by the time we got out there,

475
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 6: of course the delta variant and all the different things

476
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 6: were happening with the you know, other people canceling tours

477
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 6: and stuff. So it was a little confusing, but we

478
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 6: managed to keep keep ourselves healthy and the crew healthy,

479
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 6: and we had like forty people, you know, with all

480
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 6: the different bands in a bubble, and we managed to

481
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Speaker 6: do it.

482
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: It's great.

483
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 6: Only canceled one show because of whether and we had

484
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 6: two hurricanes on that oh gosh, yeah on that trip

485
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 6: or like we're in the line of two hurricanes.

486
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, it must have been nice.

487
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 6: Though it was. It was really nice. I mean very

488
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 6: special people seem Yeah. I mean it's a huge thing

489
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 6: in people's lives and it's a really special yours for ours,

490
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 6: but just getting getting to be a part of that

491
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 6: equation for someone looking out into an audience and seeing

492
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 6: the like this joy and relief and sense of I

493
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 6: don't know, just being a part of a communal experience,

494
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 6: which for a lot of people that don't go to

495
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 6: church a lot. And yeah, exactly, like sports or whatever,

496
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 6: it's like kind of the only place you get that.

497
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because yeah, a lot of people get

498
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: at other places. It was at the longest that you've

499
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: not been on the road as an adult during the pandemic.

500
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because your road dog.

501
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 14: Well, I mean I have always on the road.

502
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I've been playing shows and do you know,

503
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 6: getting in advance since I was about you know, eighteen

504
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 6: or nineteen years old, and for sure in my adult life,

505
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 6: that was the only time I've ever spent eighteen months

506
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 6: at home. Yeah, and I was it was great. I mean, honestly,

507
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 6: that part of it was really kind of uplifting because

508
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 6: my wife and my kids and I were all under

509
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 6: one roof and we were very fortunate to have a

510
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 6: house that's big enough to kind of have not be

511
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 6: on top of each other, which really sympathized with people

512
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 6: that were in living situations where it wasn't easy to

513
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 6: get away from.

514
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, everybody had your family members, everyone had their

515
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: own unique experience.

516
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but for us, it was like, oh wow, we

517
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 6: we you know, I really love each other. We really like,

518
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 6: i mean not just love each other, but like to

519
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 6: spend time together. And for my wife and I, honestly,

520
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 6: that was the you know who knew.

521
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty great because.

522
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 6: You know, I think we've always kind of attributed the

523
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 6: success of our relationship to being able to be a

524
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 6: part you know, and that that we've remained sort of

525
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 6: connected and strong, even though I'm gone a lot.

526
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: So it was a test.

527
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: Then if she was here.

528
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 6: Right now, she'd be rolling her eyes and saying that

529
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 6: she wanted to pack. She wanted to pack my bags

530
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 6: many times. And that's always been the joke before the pandemic,

531
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 6: is that if I'm home for too long, I wake

532
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 6: up and my bags are packed by the front door,

533
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 6: because she she likes it when I'm out doing what

534
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 6: I do, and maybe she senses that I need to

535
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 6: do it.

536
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: That makes sense, I mean, that all makes sense, but

537
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: it's I'm glad you guys passed the test. Yeah, yeah,

538
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: can we do save it for me?

539
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Sure?

540
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: This is from the album we put out like twenty nineteen.

541
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: Kind of right, No, it came out during the pandemic.

542
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Came out during the Was it written during the pandemic? Okay,

543
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: so this is the perfect segue. I didn't even mean

544
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: to do it. I'm just yeah, so this is one

545
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: of those songs that came out of that.

546
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

547
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 6: When I came home from the pandemic, for we were

549
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 6: on tour when everything got shut down, and so we

550
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 6: got home and a few days really only a few

551
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 6: days in I started thinking I just try and write

552
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 6: as an exercise. I wanted to write country songs, like

553
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 6: I thought the way a country song would sound if

554
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: it was gonna you know, you're trying to pitch a

555
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 6: to somebody to be played on a jukebox in like

556
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 6: the early sixties, just as you know, just as a

557
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 6: genre exercise or something. It's like, I wonder if I

558
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 6: can just write a straight country song. And I wrote

559
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: a few songs like that, and I started sharing them

560
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 6: with my my friend George Saunders and Nick Offerman, who

561
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: we have a we kind of have a thread, a

562
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: text thread. Were the actor, Yeah, okay, yeah, we're just

563
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 6: like it's just this.

564
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Long, gooing text thread.

565
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 6: I was just like, hey, I'm going to send you

566
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 6: guys a song a day just to see what if

567
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 6: I can do this.

568
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: You're really good at that, by the way. The self

569
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: discipline thing, thank you. I mean I read your how

570
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: to Write One Song book and I loved it. Oh,

571
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: thank you, Because I don't really have any of that.

572
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 6: I just, yeah, I like, I like just seeing if

573
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 6: you can do it. And the only and one of

574
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 6: the reason reasons I can do it is because I like,

575
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 6: you have to really just accept whatever comes out.

576
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: But that's the best advice you can give anybody trying

577
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: to write a song, yeah, because everybody wants to just

578
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: shut it down when it's cheesy or if you don't like.

579
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: It, right.

580
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think I always think that that's what

581
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 6: writer's block is. It's not so much you can't write anything,

582
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 6: you just don't like what you're writing.

583
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: You're just not letting yourself go.

584
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

585
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: So it was really satisfying and it was really fun.

586
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 6: And then over time, like really, within like a week

587
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 6: and a half or so, I had enough songs for

588
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 6: a record, and they were starting to become less and

589
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 6: less of that genre exercise. They were starting to have

590
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 6: more of a unique flavor, you know, or a unique

591
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 6: feeling to the moment.

592
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: It started taking shape as its own as the record.

593
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it became the record Love is the King,

594
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 6: and you know, so it was Spencer and I primarily

595
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 6: laying down all of the tracks at the studio because

596
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: it was in our bubble. And then this is really

597
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: the record where Sammy started taking a much more active

598
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 6: interest in being a part of it. And so he

599
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 6: sings all the harmonies on the record.

600
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Ah, So this is him on harmonies. This okay, I

601
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: can't realize that.

602
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Three Boys, Yeah, thank you.

603
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: And I love his harmonies because they're they're different, you know,

604
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: they're so cool.

605
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that this is this is the

606
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 6: first song. I think that we had him come in

607
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 6: and sing harmony on.

608
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: That's so sweet. It's funny you were writing country signs.

609
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: To me, this sounds like an old jazz standard also,

610
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a lot of overlap there.

611
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: There is for.

612
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 13: Sure sae me.

613
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 8: When the wealth those bod I could say, with certainty

614
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 8: left on in an empty room.

615
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 13: So love can be.

616
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 8: A rainbow in the mouth of clouds, dark d days

617
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 8: boon needs you know, rainbow in the mouth of clouds,

618
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 8: dark end days soon needs me?

619
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 13: Now see it for me? When the world falls power,

620
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 13: I can say the certainty.

621
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 17: There's a redson, there's a pie left out that you

622
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 17: can't consume, so sweet it cannoty.

623
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 8: There's a reason no one would call today.

624
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 13: People you lean on don't always know what do you say?

625
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 18: See it for me?

626
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 14: When the world fose body.

627
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 13: Like say the certainty by a light left one and

628
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 13: an empty how love can be. It's all love can

629
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 13: be it's a love can be, so love can be.

630
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: That's beautiful, beautiful thing.

631
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. I had this like idea of

632
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: trying to do it ragtime, but it's definitely in the

633
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: wrong key for that.

634
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I should have told me how would I would

635
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 6: do now.

636
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I liked what we did. It was great. I just

637
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: wanted to sing on it mostly and just tinkle a

638
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: little piano.

639
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 6: Just well half step up would have been rag time

640
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 6: key right, gee with a big.

641
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 19: I was saying, when the world falls apart.

642
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 13: I could say with certain but.

643
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I was hearing, Like is man, That's

644
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: why I was hearing it kind of jazzy, right.

645
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: But you have to make I have to make that track.

646
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: I want to hear it.

647
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: It'd be fun. I'll fiddle with it. I'll do any

648
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: different key that's a little low, But I love that song.

649
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Also, I really have avoided using jazzy as

650
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: a as a descriptive word my whole life, and I

651
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: don't know why I just did that, but I just

652
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: want to put that out there. I don't usually I

653
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: was use it.

654
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 6: I was impressed. I was like like, wow, like I right,

655
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 6: jazz now.

656
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: Awesome.

657
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: That was myself.

658
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: I love that you made that record with the with

659
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: the Spencer and Sammy like that during the pandemic. That's great.

660
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: It was.

661
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote the book and I and I and

662
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 6: run the same time. So a lot of the kind

663
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 6: of exercises I'm trying to describe in the book I

664
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 6: was using at the same time making the record, or

665
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 6: you know, it was fresh in my mind from kind

666
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 6: of writing really quickly.

667
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty great. I'm gonna I'm going to do

668
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: the book and try to do that again, like try

669
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: to I'll just send you stuff.

670
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me hear it.

671
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be fun.

672
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 6: It's good to let somebody hear it because I mean,

673
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 6: if you have to find the right person. But you know,

674
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: when uh, when somebody else receives it in the same

675
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: spirit that it's it's created, it's really the steaks are

676
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 6: really low, but really reward.

677
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: You know.

678
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's like playing it for your mom

679
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 6: or something, or.

680
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: Like, well, that's interesting because I was listening to your book.

681
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I was listening to your book on tape. I was

682
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: really struck by that that scene of you playing her song,

683
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: your mom's songs in the kitchen when you first started

684
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: writing them. Yeah, and I think that earnestness of songwriting

685
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: is what helps you be so fearless with it and

686
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: like just yeah, what you're saying is basically the key

687
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: to unlocking it. And it makes a lot of sense.

688
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you got somebody that's.

689
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I think ultimately you're wanting to reach somebody

690
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 6: that is open to loving you. It's hard to reach

691
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 6: people who are not open to making having a connection right,

692
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: you know, God and the people I think spend a

693
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 6: lot of time worried about those people, worried about the

694
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 6: people that are critical.

695
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: Its difficult to like.

696
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 6: Are not really coming at it, Like they don't really

697
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 6: need it from you? There there, it's not for them,

698
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 6: or they have other things that that really means a

699
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 6: lot to them, and they're not I don't know, they're

700
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: just not. They don't need another friend, you know.

701
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a great Yeah, that's an interesting

702
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: thing to think about.

703
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 6: So so it's like, if you know that that's there,

704
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 6: you still have a vulnerability because I don't know if

705
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: you ever quite shake that feeling, especially if you're saying

706
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 6: something that's emotionally resonant within yourself. It feels a little electrifying,

707
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 6: almost like a like an electrocuting.

708
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, just.

709
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 6: Like you know, oh, I shouldn't be saying this. I'm

710
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 6: not sure how I feel about this being out in

711
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: in the air. You know, Yeah, that's still there, even

712
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 6: with somebody that loves you a whole lot, you.

713
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it can still hurt you.

714
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 6: But I just like think that I don't really spend

715
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 6: a lot of time picturing an audience. But it took

716
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 6: me a long time to figure out that I shouldn't

717
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 6: picture an audience that isn't open to it, Like, what's

718
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 6: the point?

719
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean it took me a long

720
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: time to realize this. I don't know why. Maybe because

721
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: my first record was so successful and I got a

722
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: little like weird, you know, sure, and I would play

723
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: shows and I would like be kind of upset sometimes, like,

724
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: well they weren't as into it as they could have been.

725
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I remember somebody saying to me

726
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: was like, everyone here, I bought a ticket to come

727
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: see you. They're on your side, they already like you.

728
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought I had to win them over, right,

729
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: and that's like a weird performer thing, right that sometimes

730
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I think people get in their head for sure, and

731
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: especially when you're young.

732
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, I mean and you start out that way.

733
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 6: For lot of people, it's just like, yeah, that's your

734
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 6: whole goal. That's just went over an audience, and then

735
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 6: they're never really quite let go of it.

736
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're not always there to see you in the beginning.

737
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: They're maybe there to see someone else.

738
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 6: Which if I guess, if I had to pick a

739
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 6: side of which, you know, default position to come into

740
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 6: a show, I'd probably still want most performers to feel

741
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: like they need to put an effort in to win

742
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 6: you over.

743
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But there's a difference between not putting an

744
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: effort in and not feeling defensive immediately about like or

745
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: like you know, scared too scared.

746
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, like just assuming the audience is going to be

747
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 6: withholding yeah, of their affection or something.

748
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a weird head trip that I went.

749
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: Through all the thing.

750
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 6: The thing that's crazy and you know to me is

751
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 6: how how adept at picking out people that aren't having

752
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 6: a good time. Yes, we are, and everybody that's ever

753
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 6: I've ever talked to you that's been on stage has

754
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 6: like just like almost like an animal instinct for the

755
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 6: guy that's yawning or looking at his phone or.

756
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Gets me because I also, like in the beginning, I

757
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: got called Snora in the press, which my mom for

758
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: some reason thought was hilarious and like always jokes around

759
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: about it.

760
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: But it does hurt a little bit, oh for sure.

761
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: So like the yawning always gets me for sure.

762
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

763
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: They can be in the middle of like fifty people

764
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 6: like dancing exactly, and you're like, what's wrong with that guy?

765
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 6: I'm giving all this mental energy to this person that's

766
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 6: like like the last person I should be thinking about.

767
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as I stopped thinking of it that way,

768
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: it was so much more fun.

769
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 6: The world is like that though, we always like seem

770
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 6: to be most disoriented and distracted by the the I

771
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 6: don't know, the naysayers and the yeah I mean energy,

772
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 6: And now we're programmed to be more like that every day.

773
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you know, the way the news is and.

774
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 6: Everything outrage economy, Yeah, it's all just outrageous. I always

775
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 6: thinking about how, you know, you could have a bunch

776
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 6: of people in a room having a great time and

777
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: one really really sour. Negative person can walk in the

778
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 6: room and completely change that room. Yes, but it doesn't

779
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 6: work the other way. You could have a group of

780
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 6: like people.

781
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Are you sure, I mean if there's a group of

782
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: negative people, is.

783
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 6: What you Yeah, and like one really happy person comes

784
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 6: in and tries to make it just makes them all matter, Like, yeah,

785
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: I guess there are there. Well that's a real gift.

786
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 6: That's somebody like Mayvis Staples.

787
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: Yes, she can brighten a room.

788
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, she like.

789
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it generally, I think it's much more

790
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 6: energy expended to get it to go the other direction.

791
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. Love is the King. I mean, it's

792
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: it's you said.

793
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 3: It available everywhere.

794
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. I remember when I came to the

795
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: loft to write songs and just play with you. I

796
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: was just like so, I was so excited. I don't

797
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: know why, but I've always felt, well, even though I'm

798
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: a fan, I feel like over the years seeing you

799
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: around and you were so cool with posts some moods

800
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know, we just have fun. The brief

801
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: times we saw you, I just thought we would get

802
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: along and I felt very at ease with you playing

803
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: music and writing songs. And it was weird because I

804
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: really was surprised that I wasn't more withholding of my

805
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: own ideas because I do think of you as a

806
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're way more accomplished songwriter than I am.

807
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: But it was just so fun and I felt that

808
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: energy from you, and I feel like it worked really well.

809
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. No, I mean I feel like.

810
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 6: We've always had like a real strong friend chemistry. Yeah,

811
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 6: me too, even from the first time I told you

812
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 6: you got the lyrics wrong.

813
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: Oh god, I took it with a lot of Oh.

814
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: I was like, it was hilarious, but also a little

815
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: bit horrified, I was. I mean, it was great. I

816
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: love playing music with you, so yeah, it was so fun.

817
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 6: I remember the first time we met at the Jules

818
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: Holland thing. I was we were playing I'm the Man

819
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: who Loves You and I have like a crazy loud,

820
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 6: fuzzed out guitar solo, and I felt I was scared

821
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 6: I was gonna hurt your ears because they had seated

822
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 6: you directly at like a little table directly in.

823
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: Front of us.

824
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think my amp was aimed straight into

825
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 6: your head, and I'm like, oh my god, I just

826
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 6: can't believe I'm gonna have to do this.

827
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna make me go down Grace record.

828
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Which one do you want to do? Do you want

829
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: to do I'm alive?

830
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: Or yeah?

831
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Or okay?

832
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that okay?

833
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 14: Yeah?

834
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: No, it's great. I just didn't know which one. Let

835
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: me just grab my.

836
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 11: Yay, Okay.

837
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: It's funny because I put this album out during the pandemic,

838
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: so I never got to play with this this with

839
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: a band. Oh wow, And it's actually the last time

840
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I saw you was like the week before Lockdown when

841
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: we did the video for this.

842
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 20: Right.

843
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 6: Yeah no, that was like probably the last time I

844
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 6: flew yeah before I just came here.

845
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, possible, Yeah, I think I think it is.

846
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: It is so I've been doing all these like solo

847
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: piano versions of the song, which I never thought i'd do.

848
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: But it's great.

849
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: I'll just hang on for dear life.

850
00:46:31,840 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 21: No, no, it's great.

851
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 13: Jess anyway, don't move.

852
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 15: Just says it.

853
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 11: You can hope and pray, you can move, baby, things

854
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 11: will change. I feel your song get her love dout.

855
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 13: Wow, world implodes. You just live with that.

856
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 11: She walks, she runs, She fights, almost as one fight.

857
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 13: Her voice shem. She has no choice.

858
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 18: She's crushed my thoughts and night.

859
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh man, who wants?

860
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 13: Who writes? And you?

861
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 14: Jelie waits.

862
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 13: Oh she is alive. Yeah, she's alive.

863
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 14: She is alive.

864
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 13: Oh she's alive.

865
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 7: He screams, He shats the head are TV bow They

866
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 7: take the bait.

867
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 13: They made road way, feed.

868
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 18: The bray down walls to free their saints and the.

869
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: Little hat comecake very.

870
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 14: All watch. I think.

871
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 11: I dance and sometimes I drink. I see my sons.

872
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 11: I'll hope someone says.

873
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 21: Mon.

874
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 11: If I should break.

875
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 10: My side streak, will.

876
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 13: Now lives come down.

877
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 12: To good?

878
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 13: My gee.

879
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 11: Oh I'm alive. Yes, I'm alive.

880
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 10: I'm alive.

881
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 11: I'm alive, but I'm live. Yes, I'm alive, but I'm alive.

882
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 22: I'm alive, Okay, alive.

883
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 13: I know the things.

884
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 18: It's all right, it's okay.

885
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 11: Maybe things would change.

886
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Awesome.

887
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 3: That was great.

888
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: I remember I tried to play drums on this, but

889
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: Spencer was so much better. I was like, I need

890
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: to play drums. But I loved playing with you and

891
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: Spencer together. It was so fun.

892
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's me too. We love playing with you. Obviously.

893
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 6: It was so such an incredible fun time to get

894
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 6: to do that. But for me, you know, I love

895
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 6: playing with Wilco, I love playing with, you know.

896
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: Lots of musicians. I've been lucky to play with a

897
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: lot of great musicians.

898
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's really nothing like playing with your own

899
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 6: DNA or something like.

900
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Well that's what they say. Like the Everly Brothers hook up,

901
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: that was just there was just something about that.

902
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 6: It's crazy, how I mean, I so many tracks on

903
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 6: Love is the King are not to a click, just

904
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 6: me playing acoustic guitar and him coming in later and

905
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 6: putting drums on it. And people don't seem to do that.

906
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 6: It's like, just it's not that common. I don't think

907
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 6: for people to do that.

908
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: It's not easy.

909
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: It's really hard. But he never has any problem.

910
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 6: He like understands where I you know, I don't have

911
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 6: terrible time, but I'm not perfect, but.

912
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: Well you have your own unique sense of time.

913
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 6: Right, So he just he just has been hearing that

914
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: his whole life or something. So he just like kind

915
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 6: of dips and ebbs and flows where it feels right.

916
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 6: And it's really really kind of I don't know, interesting.

917
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 6: I think I would love to know why it works.

918
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 6: So well, but at the same time, I don't really

919
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 6: need to know.

920
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's the beauty of it is not it's not

921
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: a technical thing that you can know. It's just it's

922
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: just it's called chemistry.

923
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 6: And then yeah, it's beautiful. But it's the thing I

924
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 6: guess I'm trying to express is like, when we play together,

925
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: it's obviously there and it's like it's really effortless and

926
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 6: fun and we you know, just really hear each other

927
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 6: super clear, clearly. But the thing that I always think

928
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 6: it is a very amazing is that it still sounds

929
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: that way when we do it separately.

930
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly

931
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: what happened on this song is like I was trying

932
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: to play drums for some reason, but then he came

933
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: in after and overed up the drums, but we did

934
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: not do it to a click uhh, And so I

935
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, is he going to be able

936
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: to and it was so perfect it's crazy.

937
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: We did the Pop Staples record that Spencer and I

938
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 6: completed with Mavis's Blessing. She kind of brought these recordings

939
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 6: in that he had worked on before he died, and

940
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 6: they were never finished to anyone's satisfaction. And so we

941
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 6: did like Spencer and I as a rhythm section and

942
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 6: played along with just Pop's voice and his guitar, and

943
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 6: those weren't to a click or anything either. So it

944
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 6: was just like just kind of trying to get in

945
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 6: the head space of we're playing in the room and

946
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 6: closing your eyes and playing with Pops and it was

947
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 6: really kind.

948
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: Of it was. Yeah, it was. I had a lot

949
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: of like.

950
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: Just crazy eerie feelings of him his presence or something.

951
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: This is it really he really is present.

952
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 6: His voice is I mean, the voice is a huge

953
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 6: part of you who a person is, you know, just

954
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 6: having it in your headphones listening and listening so intently

955
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 6: to try and follow that was a really beautiful experience.

956
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was, you know, he was able to

957
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 6: do that too, which was really exciting.

958
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 13: The rows and rows of houses.

959
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 8: With the windows spinning, blow with a light from a TV.

960
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 13: Round a palel, do you but there is no sunken

961
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 13: treasure rumored to be wrapped inside my ribs in the sea.

962
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 14: Blaye with a.

963
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 13: I am so out of tune.

964
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: With you.

965
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 13: I am so out of tune.

966
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 12: With you.

967
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 13: If I had a mountain.

968
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 8: A child to fold it over. And if I had.

969
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 13: A boat, I'm probably roll over. But I leave it

970
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 13: all the shore.

971
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 8: I leave it for somebody. Surely there's somebody.

972
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 13: Who needs it more than me. I am so.

973
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 5: Out of tune with you. I am so out too.

974
00:57:53,520 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 13: With you. For all the leagues we burned, autumn fires, then.

975
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 20: Return all the fires we burned, all will return.

976
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 8: Music is my savior. I was maimed by rock and roll.

977
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 13: I was maimed by.

978
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 8: Rock and roll.

979
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 13: I was teamed by rock and roll. I got my

980
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 13: name from.

981
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: Rock and roll. I love that signe. It's very emotional.

982
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: There's that chord though that I have no idea what

983
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: it is, the last one, the last one, and that.

984
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: This one.

985
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

986
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, I was looking at you want to go

987
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: for that part.

988
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: Of I wasn't sure what was happening. But I just

989
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: try to ghost that one.

990
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: That court a little bit, but me too.

991
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 6: I didn't have a pick I forgot to put a

992
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 6: pick up, so I was just kind of like trying

993
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 6: to But.

994
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: It was good. I liked it. I liked it. I

995
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: liked that version.

996
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: I love I love that song.

997
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 6: It's it probably doesn't need the dissonance in the second

998
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 6: in this type of version, but it's can edit it

999
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 6: out if you need to.

1000
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: I like it.

1001
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: No, I love that part. It confused me at first

1002
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: because I was like, what what are those chors? I

1003
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: don't understand it, And then I'm used to it. I

1004
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: love it. I love that part.

1005
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: This part of the song, that song was improvised.

1006
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 6: That version on the record is improvised in the studio,

1007
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 6: and uh, like I had had some of the lyrics

1008
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 6: and I this part, and I had the chorus in

1009
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: this and but there was no middle section or anything,

1010
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 6: and so it's basically kind of got through everything I

1011
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 6: had and and the band was still playing, so I

1012
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 6: just started. I was like, kind of improvised like a

1013
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 6: dissonant section. Everybody kind of went with it was amazing.

1014
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 6: And then all of the lyrics from that point on,

1015
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 6: like the for all the Leavey Ben and Autumn Fiz

1016
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 6: and then that's all improvised.

1017
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: And the and the music is my savior. It's just

1018
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: like it's it was very emotional when I was listening

1019
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: to it. It's it's pretty great.

1020
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like, it's very true. It happens sometimes.

1021
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 6: It happens like that sometimes, and yeah, you feel really

1022
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 6: really lucky to be in a part of it, you know.

1023
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I love I love it when it happens.

1024
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: Well, you know it.

1025
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: I think it happens a lot more than people think

1026
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 6: it does. What just doesn't happen is making it happen.

1027
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: No, you can't like.

1028
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 6: But you have to put yourself in the way of it.

1029
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 6: It's sort of the same thing in the book, like

1030
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 6: writing songs, you don't they don't happen if you don't

1031
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 6: pick up the guitar, and it don't doesn't happen. You

1032
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 6: don't write something unless you pick up the pencil or

1033
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 6: something like that. And and something like this doesn't happen

1034
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 6: unless you you convene exactly, you get together and make

1035
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 6: make an effort to be in the way of something

1036
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 6: beautiful potentially happening.

1037
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: That's the best I mean. I remember I used to

1038
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: always come to the studio with songs to record, either

1039
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: my own or covers. But I never wrote in the

1040
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: studio until maybe two thousand and nine, I want to say.

1041
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: And I made a record with Danger Mass and that's

1042
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: how we wanted to do it. I was like, well,

1043
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: I've never done that before, and it was it opened

1044
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: up my whole world. And that's why I felt confident

1045
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: enough to come and do that with you, because I

1046
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: had just never thought to do that before. Yeah, and

1047
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: it's the best.

1048
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: It's really great.

1049
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 12: You know.

1050
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 6: It's like it's just like it's just an active discovery

1051
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 6: each day. And they're like just like like the question

1052
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 6: isn't what do I want to say? It's like how

1053
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 6: do I find out what I want to say?

1054
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1055
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: If I talking? Yeah, yeah, it's true. I love that. Well,

1056
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: do you have time for one more? And then we

1057
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: can you can go to your show.

1058
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: Which one is this?

1059
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: You want to do a muzzle of bees? Should that

1060
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: be okay?

1061
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: Sure?

1062
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 8: It's a random painted highway and the muzzle the beast.

1063
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 8: My seeds are come on stitched from climbing the tree

1064
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 8: when dogs left and sand it barking.

1065
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 13: I don't think they're mean.

1066
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 8: Some people get so frightening the fences in between.

1067
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 13: The sun gets passed from tree to tree silently and

1068
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 13: back to me.

1069
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 23: With there he's going through, pushed up against the scene,

1070
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 23: finally back to me.

1071
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 13: I'm assuming you got my message on your machine. I'm

1072
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 13: assuming you love me.

1073
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 3: And you know what that means.

1074
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 13: The sun gets passed from sea to sea.

1075
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 24: Silently and back to me with the breeze bone through pushed.

1076
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 15: Up above the leaves, with.

1077
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 13: The breeze bone through my head upon your knees. Half

1078
01:07:49,920 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 13: of it's you and half is me. H. Half that's

1079
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 13: you and half is me.

1080
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 3: That's not an easy subbody to with that.

1081
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: Thanks for playing with me.

1082
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was great to see you and

1083
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 6: pleasure great, great thrill to be asked to do anything

1084
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 6: with you. I really wow.

1085
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: I love you.

1086
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: I love you. I love is the king it is though,

1087
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: and I feel it and I I'm glad we get

1088
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, thank you, Hey, thanks for listening. God,

1089
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: I had so much fun. That was so great, so fun.

1090
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: You just lock into each other.

1091
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 13: It's well.

1092
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: I picked songs for this that I knew. Most of

1093
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: them I knew really well. I mean, I've known that

1094
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: last song we did for twenty years and I've loved

1095
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: it so once I figured out what Q was in,

1096
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty you know, it was like inside me already.

1097
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: I just didn't know quite what.

1098
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 13: It was needed to be released.

1099
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: I adore Jeff and thanks to Jeff for making it happen.

1100
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: Save it for me.

1101
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 25: When the world falls apart, I can say with certainty,

1102
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 25: there's a rain, a light laught flown in an empty room.

1103
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 25: Is how love can be.

1104
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 10: Rainbow in the mouth of clouds, darkened days?

1105
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 14: Who needs you?

1106
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 22: No rainbow, a mouthful of clouds, darkening days?

1107
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 14: Who needs me?

1108
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 17: Now?

1109
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 14: Save it for me?

1110
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 26: Where the world falls upon, I can say with certainty,

1111
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 26: apart left out that you can't consume, so sweet you

1112
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 26: cannot eat.

1113
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 11: Reason, no one will call today.

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Speaker 1: This show was produced by Me and Sarah Oda. Mixing

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Speaker 1: engineer was Jamie Landry, recording engineer was Matt Marinelli, and

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Speaker 1: additional engineering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by Eliza Fry, photography

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Speaker 1: by Shervin Linez. Save it fon me.

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Speaker 18: Where the world falls upon, I can say