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Speaker 1: Carrie Walsh Jennings is the most decorated beach volleyball Olympian
Speaker 1: of all time, having won three gold and two bronze medals.
Speaker 1: You were the child of two athletes, which is quite rare,
Speaker 1: and so did you feel like it was your destiny
Speaker 1: to be an athlete? Sam, I definitely think it's in
Speaker 1: my DNA, you know. I think by nature, by nurture,
Speaker 1: by what God bless me with. It's like in my
Speaker 1: veins is a competitive, you know element. And I fell
Speaker 1: in love with sports right away. And I think I
Speaker 1: fell in love with sports, um from the get go,
Speaker 1: because I saw my parents so in love with sports.
Speaker 1: So you know, the people I love the most of
Speaker 1: my life, who would trust the most in life, were
Speaker 1: like showing me that there's so much joy and purpose
Speaker 1: in pursuing these things, and I just I feel the
Speaker 1: exact same way when I compete now. And how was
Speaker 1: it that you chose volleyball? Was there another sport first
Speaker 1: or was it always volleyball? No? You know, I mean
Speaker 1: I found BABA when I was ten, So you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like my whole life prior to that, I
Speaker 1: played every sport, and I played every sport whatever was
Speaker 1: in season. That's just kind of how we grew up
Speaker 1: like multi sport athletes. My parents really believe in that
Speaker 1: for diversity and range and so you don't get burnt out.
Speaker 1: So I have a big brother where E love months apart,
Speaker 1: and so I did everything with him. I played basketball,
Speaker 1: played baseball, UM, soccer. I was always one of the
Speaker 1: boys in our little town in Scott's Valley, And but
Speaker 1: when I found volleyball in the fifth grade, UM, it
Speaker 1: was like head over heels. I'm so in love. This
Speaker 1: is new, this is different, this is all female, um,
Speaker 1: which I don't think I realized that. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I was a girl at that point. You know, it
Speaker 1: was just like a tomboy doing my thing. And then
Speaker 1: I found this sport that was like all my friends
Speaker 1: were playing, my mom was coaching, and it was just awesome.
Speaker 1: And it feels like now people start specializing earlier and earlier,
Speaker 1: now that you have three kids. What's your philosophy on
Speaker 1: sports and specializing. I mean, I'm just a big fan
Speaker 1: of trying everything, and I'm not a fan of specializing.
Speaker 1: I think at a certain point, going into college or pros,
Speaker 1: you specialize. But have you guys read the book Range?
Speaker 1: Should we? Yes? You should so, especially on this topic.
Speaker 1: But it compares Roger feder basically to Tiger Woods. Entire
Speaker 1: Woods is like the anomally of all anomalies. Right from
Speaker 1: three years old on, he would only played golf. But
Speaker 1: he is very rare. There's only one of him. A
Speaker 1: Federer played all these other sports, and every sport that
Speaker 1: he did just helped him develop more range within his tennis,
Speaker 1: within his business life. And so they just say, whether
Speaker 1: you play sport, you know, sports as a pro or not,
Speaker 1: the range you developed by playing multiple sports, by trying
Speaker 1: multiple things is just priceless. And I definitely I've experienced that.
Speaker 1: I believe that. So with our kids, they play whatever
Speaker 1: is in season. You know, I just told both boys there,
Speaker 1: damn like you guys know, you don't have to play sports, right,
Speaker 1: And they both looked at me like I was crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, because they want to win, and when they
Speaker 1: don't win, they've taken on themselves, you know. And I
Speaker 1: don't want them to have that baggage either. So but
Speaker 1: I mean they're you know, eleven and twelve right now.
Speaker 1: So anyhow, whatever is in season, uh, and I just
Speaker 1: want them to try a lot of new things. My
Speaker 1: parents planted a lot of seeds in my head growing up.
Speaker 1: You know, I lived in the Bay Area. I played
Speaker 1: every sport. I watched them play sports. It took me
Speaker 1: to Stamper, that took me to Santa Clara, I went
Speaker 1: to museums, um, I watched the pros play, and because
Speaker 1: of that, I just kind of found my path. So
Speaker 1: carry Your mother was a college volleyball champion at a
Speaker 1: time when a lot of colleges still didn't even have
Speaker 1: women's sports. How did she become an athlete? She was
Speaker 1: born into it, you know, or her like my nana,
Speaker 1: her mother bottom like, hands down, the most competitive human
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced in my life. She passed away when
Speaker 1: I was eighteen. He was my hero, still is still
Speaker 1: very present. But she was gnarly. And then my grandfather,
Speaker 1: they called him Grandpa Big m His name is Marty.
Speaker 1: He's in the Santa Clara Hall of Fame. He had
Speaker 1: a nickname. He was called the Splendid Splinter. He played
Speaker 1: in the World Rose Bowl Football. He was a track star.
Speaker 1: So it's just in our DNA. And my mother is
Speaker 1: like her mother the fiercest, like gnarlist lawyer angel you've
Speaker 1: never met in your life. Like she's had eight children.
Speaker 1: Three of them were her first sister. She carried triplets.
Speaker 1: She was surrogate, so she is one of eight children,
Speaker 1: six girls, two boys. They kept having kids until they
Speaker 1: finally got their boy and he came in number six
Speaker 1: and the number seven. Um. But my mom um, she
Speaker 1: loved having babies, like she had five of us. I
Speaker 1: have one brother up in heaven. Um. But right before
Speaker 1: my I think mone was like thirty seven and she's like,
Speaker 1: look Michelle, her sister, or like the time is now.
Speaker 1: You know, they tried IVF. They tried everything for so long,
Speaker 1: and my mom is like, I meant to do this.
Speaker 1: I would love this. So they put in I think
Speaker 1: six eggs. They said likely none of them will survive
Speaker 1: and all three of them did, and now they're turning thirty.
Speaker 1: On Maid, well, something stuck with me and she was
Speaker 1: like a warrior angel, like you know, both of them.
Speaker 1: Would people describe you like that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. I'm not as
Speaker 1: tough at all. Like my mom is a warrior in
Speaker 1: everything she does. I might be a warrior on the court.
Speaker 1: Um and well maybe, I mean I have elements of that.
Speaker 1: I inspire to be like my mom. So you chose
Speaker 1: an athlete to marry. It almost seems like it would
Speaker 1: have been sacrilegious for you to marry out of the
Speaker 1: athlete kingdom after all of these generations, like you couldn't
Speaker 1: ruin the lineage. Did you feel that way? How funny?
Speaker 1: Well we're not breeding. I probably no. No. I I
Speaker 1: just my heart loves who I love, and you know,
Speaker 1: I I fell in love a Casey Like the first
Speaker 1: week of dating him, I felt like he was family.
Speaker 1: And no, I just I'm just like his biggest fan.
Speaker 1: I think he's so incredible. But like, I don't think
Speaker 1: it would have worked with anyone else because we had
Speaker 1: the same job, like we had our first two kids.
Speaker 1: We traveled the world as a traveling circus with all
Speaker 1: four of us and then my sisters or nanny. You know,
Speaker 1: Like my life is so full and he's just been
Speaker 1: such an amazing champion with me, Like it just doesn't
Speaker 1: work without him. He's it takes a man, you know,
Speaker 1: to like I'm a lot so in many different ways.
Speaker 1: So I'm just so grateful. What do you mean when
Speaker 1: you say it takes a man describe that? You know,
Speaker 1: I take up a lot of space, you know, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to be very secure in
Speaker 1: who you are. I run fast, I have big dreams.
Speaker 1: I I don't like waiting. I like to do what
Speaker 1: I want to do when I want to do it.
Speaker 1: But I also want to, you know, have a simple
Speaker 1: life and have my children and be very closely connected
Speaker 1: to all of that. And so I think kind of
Speaker 1: the athlete and both of us allows us to be
Speaker 1: utility players, you know, allows us to be nimble together.
Speaker 1: But it takes a strong human being to be so supportive.
Speaker 1: And not that he takes a back seat, but he
Speaker 1: just he lifts me up, you know, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: diminish himself as he lifts me up. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a really strong soul to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: What was the last thing you thought about? You know,
Speaker 1: I was in marriage counseling, and I am pretty adverse
Speaker 1: to confrontation. And I'm one of those ones who like
Speaker 1: swallows my feelings. I can handle it. I can handle
Speaker 1: it until I can't. And so our our therapist, Mike Jervey,
Speaker 1: who's an incredible performance psychology, so she's like, care, you
Speaker 1: cannot be afraid to engage, you cannot be afraid conflict
Speaker 1: because there's deep intimacy there. Um. I honestly can't remember
Speaker 1: what we fight about. I think, I don't. I have
Speaker 1: no idea, some silly, stupid stuff that we don't need
Speaker 1: to find it out. How do you parent? Because I
Speaker 1: think sometimes when you're such a doer and you're such
Speaker 1: a go getter, and you three different kids with three
Speaker 1: totely different personalities that might or might not mirror your drive,
Speaker 1: how have you come to, you know, reconcile that with
Speaker 1: your own parenting style? You know, fundamentally, I'm just I love.
Speaker 1: I'm so in love with my children, you know, so
Speaker 1: love is just the foundation. It's probably obnoxious, like I
Speaker 1: probably let them get away with too much stuff, because
Speaker 1: you know, I come I came from upbringing of so
Speaker 1: much like literally unconditional love. But it was very tough love,
Speaker 1: you know, and not a lot of soft nurturing love
Speaker 1: in its own way, but it wasn't that, you know.
Speaker 1: And I feel like my mom and my dad were
Speaker 1: preparing me to be who I am, you know. And
Speaker 1: so but I think on the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: I'm parenting slightly different in the expression of my love.
Speaker 1: And but I I feel like the way I am
Speaker 1: as a human, like I swear, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: left up in every way. I've succeeded in so many ways.
Speaker 1: I've been in a whole I've been an angel, I've
Speaker 1: been everything and then some. So when my children are
Speaker 1: being who they are and they're doing great or they're
Speaker 1: having challenges or their failing or triumphing, like I've been
Speaker 1: there largely, you know. So for me, it's just like
Speaker 1: I just want to remind them they're okay, you know,
Speaker 1: and just if they do something wrong, how did that feel?
Speaker 1: Did that did that make you feel bad inside? Okay,
Speaker 1: don't do it again, you know. Kind of like as
Speaker 1: simple as that, because I feel like if they can
Speaker 1: have that self awareness where they can kind of love
Speaker 1: themselves as they mess up, and they know nothing is
Speaker 1: to end all be all, you know, no failure is
Speaker 1: too big, like you always have to carry your head
Speaker 1: high because it's just a rep at something, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like that's I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a parenting style, but that's certainly I'm kind of
Speaker 1: raising my kids as as really young high performers with
Speaker 1: a lot of focus on self love. And my husband
Speaker 1: is gnarly and he's incredible, and the way he his
Speaker 1: expression of that, I think it balances us out. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: he's like from Vegas, born and raised like he's from Vegas,
Speaker 1: and that should tell you a lot about my husband.
Speaker 1: Like we're so different, you know, like our whole world viewers.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a bubble and a bubble
Speaker 1: and he grew up in Vegas, you know. So our
Speaker 1: kids get like the Plonny pol Leanna that side of
Speaker 1: life and the biggest gritty streets of life. And it's
Speaker 1: a really powerful comb My husband is so he's so emotional,
Speaker 1: he's so like tuned in and he's very empathetic as well.
Speaker 1: So I think we just meet our kids where they're
Speaker 1: at a lot with high expectations and with a lot
Speaker 1: of yeah, a lot of love for sure. So you
Speaker 1: went to Stanford and then how did your career evolve
Speaker 1: from there? Well, Stanford was like my first big dream
Speaker 1: come true. I grew up twenty minutes away and it
Speaker 1: was just like like the best place ever for me.
Speaker 1: After Stanford, I played in my first Olympics. So I
Speaker 1: was a senior at Stanford and I left her for
Speaker 1: two quarters to compete my first Olympics in two thousand
Speaker 1: and Then after that Olympics, my whole world changed because
Speaker 1: I left indoor and I went to beach volleyball, and
Speaker 1: like on day one, not only was I trying out
Speaker 1: with Missy May now Missy may trainer, who you know
Speaker 1: is my Michael Jordan, my idol. That was the start
Speaker 1: of ten years plus of playing with her, but on
Speaker 1: day one I also happened to meet Casey because we
Speaker 1: trained against him when I was trying out with miss
Speaker 1: and so you know, I was I was so like
Speaker 1: almost having a panic attack, like playing with my childhood idol,
Speaker 1: trying out for what could change my life in case
Speaker 1: he was on the other side and that didn't like
Speaker 1: pay one lick of attention to him until the last
Speaker 1: ball of the match. He tried like he almost took
Speaker 1: my face off because he went to go finish the game. Um,
Speaker 1: and then we kind of had a moment of like oh,
Speaker 1: and then a couple weeks later we just started hanging out.
Speaker 1: So after Stanford, everything happened very fast and it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Did you return to school after that? I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I took two quarters off and then I returned
Speaker 1: in the fall of two thousand and one. What was
Speaker 1: it like to go back? Awesome? Oh my gosh. I
Speaker 1: thought like I felt smart for the first time, you know,
Speaker 1: like I always like I always just fancied myself a
Speaker 1: jock and an athlete. Like I'm like, I know why
Speaker 1: I'm here at Stanford is not because I'm the smartest.
Speaker 1: It's because I can play volleyball and I'm not too dumb.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to diminish anyone, Like everyone there
Speaker 1: was so gnarly. I just really diminished myself and I
Speaker 1: was so insecure, and so I think it took me
Speaker 1: being away and like kind of living a more worldly
Speaker 1: life to go back there being like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: thoughts of my own, and no one's judging me. Everyone
Speaker 1: is just trying to figure stuff out. So my last
Speaker 1: two quarters there were my favorite, and that just makes
Speaker 1: me want to have my kids take a leap here
Speaker 1: so they can go experience life, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: just it's crazy what a little perspective can do. What
Speaker 1: was your relationship with Misty like, because I feel like
Speaker 1: there's been, you know, a lot of talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's so unusual and it's it's just so exciting, you know.
Speaker 1: I just love her so much, like with all my heart,
Speaker 1: I adore her and missing Our were so similar in
Speaker 1: so many ways as far as our values and our
Speaker 1: discipline and how we show up, but our expressions of
Speaker 1: all these things are so different. So you think we're
Speaker 1: like night and day, and I think that's why we fit.
Speaker 1: But she's just she's like my sister. I just did
Speaker 1: an appearance with her in Virginia and it was so
Speaker 1: fun to be on stage with her, just rehashing our magic,
Speaker 1: because I think it took us a while, like we
Speaker 1: were just never satisfied. We were always working so hard
Speaker 1: and having so much fun in the pursuit because we
Speaker 1: literally believed we could be so dominant, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like an arrogant thing. It was just like, we have
Speaker 1: something very special here, let's like push this to the max.
Speaker 1: And that really filled us up. But when you're in it,
Speaker 1: you don't really appreciate the magic. And then now that
Speaker 1: you know, it's been almost ten years since I played
Speaker 1: with her, which is shocking to me to rehash the
Speaker 1: magic and the love, it's incredible. But our relationship Sam was,
Speaker 1: you know, especially after when Missy retired, Um, I kept playing,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, feelings get hurt and interviews
Speaker 1: get said and think throughout a context, and I hurt
Speaker 1: Missy's feelings a couple of times, totally unintentionally, and I
Speaker 1: think there's a sensitivity there that I just didn't have
Speaker 1: the awareness to acknowledge, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so we've then through heaven and hell together. And for
Speaker 1: a couple of years after we separated, we weren't really friends.
Speaker 1: I loved her from a distance, but I couldn't really
Speaker 1: kind of connect with her and the way we used to, which,
Speaker 1: of course that relationship is going to change. But we
Speaker 1: grow back to each other and now we I mean,
Speaker 1: we have rekindled that love and that friendship, and um,
Speaker 1: I just I adore her. She's so special, Like everything
Speaker 1: you see a Missy is so true and she's just
Speaker 1: such a great human being. What was it do you
Speaker 1: think that brought you back together? It's hard to find
Speaker 1: love again, whether it's friendships or love, it's hard. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take all the credit, but I'm
Speaker 1: very persistent. It's like with my marriage, Like I had
Speaker 1: a moment with my husband, you know, after a couple
Speaker 1: to Olympics and where he's like, I cannot do this anymore,
Speaker 1: and like I understand. I understood his point of view,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, but no, you're wrong, Like we're meant
Speaker 1: for each other and you just lost yourself and with
Speaker 1: Missy and like, no, you just forget that you love
Speaker 1: me and you forget that we're special. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going away. You know, of course I would go away
Speaker 1: if I if they were like no seriously, But you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm pretty ampathetic. I can feel people and
Speaker 1: their vibrations and I could put myself in their shoes
Speaker 1: really easily, and so I feel like I was persistent
Speaker 1: and then I gave space and then I just continue
Speaker 1: to love. And every once in a while I'll approach
Speaker 1: the topic like, hey, miss, I'm still here, Like you
Speaker 1: want to connect one other thing from something you said
Speaker 1: about your partnership with Misty, which sticks with me for
Speaker 1: a reason. As you said, you both just knew you
Speaker 1: were dominant, You knew you had something special. A lot
Speaker 1: of girls and women do not allow themselves to feel that,
Speaker 1: even if they know it to be true. Like why
Speaker 1: do you think you were able to I think because
Speaker 1: we were together, Like we were like a force together.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like if you try to
Speaker 1: like tell yourself that alone, it's harder to believe. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm I can rule the world, dominate,
Speaker 1: And it's like when you're together, you're like building something
Speaker 1: together and it's more of like a vision outside of yourself,
Speaker 1: even though you're required to bring all of yourself. I
Speaker 1: don't know really how to like speak to this articulately,
Speaker 1: but I just know that being with Misty was so
Speaker 1: empowering and it literally was not about anyone else or
Speaker 1: anything else. It was about us. And so for me
Speaker 1: as an adult now and as someone who wants to
Speaker 1: continue to joyfully dominate and kick as no matter what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I want my kids to do this as well.
Speaker 1: I I have to make it only about me. I
Speaker 1: literally like my my lead up to Tokyo and even
Speaker 1: Rio to a certain extent the last two Olympics, like
Speaker 1: I had too much focus outside of myself, and that
Speaker 1: diminishes me, you know, Like I revere everyone. I have
Speaker 1: so much respect. But if I give too much credit,
Speaker 1: or if I spend too much time focusing on what's
Speaker 1: outside of me, then I can't self source the confidence
Speaker 1: that's required to say I can do this again and
Speaker 1: again and again and I can dominate. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think that focus has to be very internal.
Speaker 1: When you were going through it and you're building this together,
Speaker 1: how did you in Misty resolve conflict? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: there really wasn't a lot of conflict because we won
Speaker 1: so much, you know. But I'm like in this, I'm
Speaker 1: in life for the depth of it, and so almost
Speaker 1: my soul craves like hard moments because then we you know,
Speaker 1: like we talked about intimacy amy right when you're conflicting,
Speaker 1: when you get depth. But Missy and I are first
Speaker 1: second year together, Missy's mom passed away, and then we
Speaker 1: went on the road and tried to take on the
Speaker 1: world together, you know, and we're both like early to
Speaker 1: is at the time, figuring out the game, figuring out
Speaker 1: each other, and that life happening like made us connect
Speaker 1: so deeply, and it was such a gift, like it
Speaker 1: really was. And I feel like that set the tone
Speaker 1: because she was very vulnerable with me, and she's not
Speaker 1: a vulnerable human being at all. She's very strong and
Speaker 1: she's very internal um and that allowed me to be
Speaker 1: there for her, and so I think we we got
Speaker 1: comfortable in that situation a little bit, which was against
Speaker 1: such a gift. And then when things came up over
Speaker 1: the years, it was never internal like. It was always
Speaker 1: people being like, oh, miss you should dump carry you know,
Speaker 1: she's overrated, or carry like go try someone else, like
Speaker 1: and it was so dumb to me. And but sometimes
Speaker 1: people are relentless and if you're having weak moments, you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the grass is greener, you know. So a
Speaker 1: couple of times, one time in particular, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of that going on, and at some point it
Speaker 1: was just like enough of this topic. Are we going
Speaker 1: to stay together break up, and we had this moment
Speaker 1: of reckoning. We're like, no, we're that silly, like we're
Speaker 1: going to stick this out. And this was after our
Speaker 1: first gold you know, where people just want you to
Speaker 1: separate and that you know, people get a kick out
Speaker 1: of doing that to people. And then we were weak
Speaker 1: and we kind of let someone come between um that
Speaker 1: any other conflict between us was so minimal, you know,
Speaker 1: And we had so much trust And we were talking
Speaker 1: the other day at our appearance and it's like we
Speaker 1: were so individually so driven. I never worried about Misty,
Speaker 1: like I knew she was busting her butt and she
Speaker 1: knew I was busting my butt. And then we'd come together,
Speaker 1: travel the world and just show up and play freely.
Speaker 1: And so the moments of frustration when in that was very,
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Speaker 1: how did that impact you? Were you afraid of what
Speaker 1: would happen next? No? I really wasn't. You know. Misty
Speaker 1: retired and then unretired and then retired. So I was
Speaker 1: just so grateful that I had her for one, you know,
Speaker 1: two more years after that initial retirement. Like that was
Speaker 1: a dream come true because she retired and I want
Speaker 1: to say, like early on and I called her, was like,
Speaker 1: miss are you sure? Because I want to go for
Speaker 1: the next Olympics. I need to find a partner. She's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm done. So I got a new partner. And then
Speaker 1: she called me a couple months later being like, we
Speaker 1: need to talk, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and so like that was one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced because I had to call my dear
Speaker 1: friend Nicole Brandon and being like, Nicole, I have new information,
Speaker 1: things have changed, like we need to talk. And I
Speaker 1: remember sitting down we were at a coffee shop in Manhattan, beach,
Speaker 1: like grabbing her hand, being like Nicole, I'm about to
Speaker 1: break your heart. And it was like so gnarly, you know,
Speaker 1: and um, I still gives me. Chill still hurts my
Speaker 1: heart and Nicole is forgiving me. But you know that
Speaker 1: changes her life, That changes everything. And so anyhow, so um,
Speaker 1: when Mry retired the second time, like we knew she
Speaker 1: was done. She was so done, you know, mentally, physically, spiritually,
Speaker 1: like she earned the right to go out on top
Speaker 1: and be done to start her family. And so I
Speaker 1: was very very prepared for it, very you know, I
Speaker 1: was so sad, Like after we won in London, I
Speaker 1: literally would not let go overhand, Like every interview, I'm
Speaker 1: like you are here, like you're not allowed to leave me.
Speaker 1: So you know, you did the circuit after you win,
Speaker 1: and it's like crazy, like I wouldn't let go of
Speaker 1: her because I just knew it was going to be
Speaker 1: different the moment I let go overhand and it was
Speaker 1: talk to us about training while you were pregnant for
Speaker 1: that last gold medal. So the Olympics are always in August,
Speaker 1: right end of July. August, there's always a tournament like
Speaker 1: a month before the Olympics, and it's in stodd Switzerland,
Speaker 1: which is have you guys haven't been, Like you need
Speaker 1: to go. It's my favorite town in the whole white world.
Speaker 1: But Casey and I decided to give it a try,
Speaker 1: you know, because like my first pregnancies were very easy.
Speaker 1: I had maybe one day of um, you know, sickness
Speaker 1: the whole two pregnancies. Like I was one of those jerks.
Speaker 1: I loved every moment it like it's just one of
Speaker 1: those things. And so the doctors always say, you know,
Speaker 1: base your next pregnancy on what you experienced before. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried at all. So we tried and shot,
Speaker 1: we conceived and shod and then a month later, you know,
Speaker 1: as Olympics. So I was very very very early, like
Speaker 1: I missed my period, I think very early in the games.
Speaker 1: And then there was a point of recogning. It was
Speaker 1: after a couple of matches at the Olympics, and I
Speaker 1: remember taking ice back after a game. It's like midnight,
Speaker 1: like we're celebrating me one my husband's ordering room service
Speaker 1: with our two boys, who were I think two and
Speaker 1: three at the time, and I was like doing the
Speaker 1: math and I was like, oh my God, I think
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. And I call it to my husband in
Speaker 1: the other room, was like, hey, babe, I'm like, I'm late.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pregnant, and he's like, that's how we
Speaker 1: do it. And then we just carried on. It was
Speaker 1: like and then I told Misty the next day and
Speaker 1: she's like, am I supposed to be surprised? And with
Speaker 1: like reference earlier Sam that I hurt Missy's heart a
Speaker 1: couple of times, like unknowingly, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the time times. You know, it's like because I didn't
Speaker 1: involve her that we tried to get pregnant and shod
Speaker 1: you know, and then to tell her and she hadn't
Speaker 1: had children yet, and you know, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to be speaking out of turn
Speaker 1: with Misty, like these are just these are my experiences.
Speaker 1: So she has her side of everything, that's of course,
Speaker 1: but it hurts me that I hurt Misty, you know,
Speaker 1: by being just casual about my stuff, you know. So
Speaker 1: I definitely learned learned there, um, because it's a very
Speaker 1: nuanced relationship obviously, and being a woman and getting pregnant
Speaker 1: and doing the dance and you know, it's like your
Speaker 1: whole life, you don't want to pregnant, then when you do,
Speaker 1: you want it so badly, like to do everything. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to compete while having babies. I mean,
Speaker 1: you had three. Welcome to me, clearly not well and
Speaker 1: I don't know, like my mom. My mom just showed me,
Speaker 1: like I swear she was pregnant with the triplets in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: six month pregnant, huge body surfing. You know, she would
Speaker 1: play softball and slide, you know, like very competitive softball
Speaker 1: slide with a huge belly. Like it's just you know,
Speaker 1: like I felt training when I was pregnant. I felt
Speaker 1: like a warrior. You know. I wasn't training to win goal.
Speaker 1: I was just training to like reinforce myself for my
Speaker 1: my baby and to be empowered. And it was definitely
Speaker 1: a different perspective in my body. And I appreciate my
Speaker 1: body so much. You know, I'm way less critical, even
Speaker 1: though these days I'm very critical. Um, I need to
Speaker 1: get over it. But I just I trained, like like
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the healthiest human for my child,
Speaker 1: and I wanted and I that, and then I also
Speaker 1: wanted to have my baby. Take a couple weeks off
Speaker 1: to heal after and then go and doing all that
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant. Really, um, it allowed me to
Speaker 1: do all of that, and it's sanity. Like if I'm
Speaker 1: not moving, I'm not a happy person. Your post Misty
Speaker 1: retiring for the second and final time, what happens to
Speaker 1: your career? Um, it kept going and it's still going.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm retired or not. I gave
Speaker 1: myself tell July to figure it out. I'm like going
Speaker 1: crazy not knowing. So this is another where hurt Misty.
Speaker 1: So after missing I won gold hugged. We played the
Speaker 1: Americans in the finals and it was April Ross and
Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessie and we gave her hugs. When I was
Speaker 1: hugging April, I said, April, congratulations. Now let's go win
Speaker 1: Golden Rio, which was four years away the next Olympics.
Speaker 1: And I, honestly, I have no idea where that came from.
Speaker 1: It was like I hadn't even thought about anything, you know, consciously,
Speaker 1: but it came out and I'm like, yeah, that that's
Speaker 1: about right, Like that feels right. And then I said
Speaker 1: it and it was done, and then I went and
Speaker 1: I was so in love with Misty and you know,
Speaker 1: like it was just here and gone. And then April
Speaker 1: and I partnered up and we got bronze in Rio
Speaker 1: and it was incredible. It was It was so fun
Speaker 1: with April, you know, and we were we were so
Speaker 1: close to just doing it. We were the best team
Speaker 1: and I believe in the world. And we had a
Speaker 1: bad night in the Semis. I had a tough night
Speaker 1: in the Semis, and we played for bronze, and that
Speaker 1: bronze was incredible, like a huge, huge mental accomplishment. As
Speaker 1: an athlete who prides herself on always getting up when
Speaker 1: she gets knocked down, you know, you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: what you wished for. Because I was able to put
Speaker 1: my character to test that night with April. How do
Speaker 1: you think about failure? You know, after we lost in Rio,
Speaker 1: like I lost myself, Like I really didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that I had identified myself as a winner and
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm not winning, I'm I'm a loser.
Speaker 1: Like I carried a lot of shame for many years
Speaker 1: after that, and you know, I'm still working through that
Speaker 1: how to process it. But now I look at everything
Speaker 1: as a stepping stone. I learned from experience, and so
Speaker 1: failure is just an experience that that's meant to build
Speaker 1: you in the various ways you need to learn and grow.
Speaker 1: And now I see my weaknesses, I see my failures.
Speaker 1: I see what I lack as untapped potential, you know,
Speaker 1: and the failure is there to highlight what I have
Speaker 1: to work on. The failure we're talking about is a
Speaker 1: bronze metal correct. Yeah, but it was so gnarly, Sam,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to tell you, Like, I
Speaker 1: just it ruined me. And it's not like I don't
Speaker 1: mind losing, like I mean, of course I mind losing,
Speaker 1: but it's like a way you lose, you know. And
Speaker 1: that night, like I kept fighting, I kept trying to
Speaker 1: crack the egg. I stuck with April, like there were
Speaker 1: I just didn't play well, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: don't like that obviously. You know. It was really hard
Speaker 1: for me to look in April's eyes after that. It
Speaker 1: was really hard to look at my family's eyes and
Speaker 1: my coach and be like, I'm so sorry you guys,
Speaker 1: you know. And I felt like I made myself on
Speaker 1: an island when it really is a team game. You know.
Speaker 1: We didn't play great that night as a team, and
Speaker 1: I just focused on myself and I built a wall
Speaker 1: of shame. But you know, I that also is kind
Speaker 1: of like my kryptonite or my answer too having it
Speaker 1: not happen again is to become superwoman, right, And that's
Speaker 1: really I mean, perfection is not even possible. But if
Speaker 1: I take ownership of everything, then I can at least
Speaker 1: fix it. If I like point my finger, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I need to take ownership so
Speaker 1: then I can just address these things. How did you
Speaker 1: and April discuss it after that? How did the two
Speaker 1: of you reconcile your relationship when you kind of blamed
Speaker 1: yourself for everything and and were so full of shame,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that night was really hard. We
Speaker 1: kind of had our team meeting after and I can't
Speaker 1: remember what we said, you know, kind of numb, you know.
Speaker 1: And then like we played twenty twenty three hours later
Speaker 1: at like eleven pm, right or ten pm the next
Speaker 1: day in Rio, and so all day like I didn't
Speaker 1: I slept maybe an hour that whole time. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: April did the same. We were just kind of handling
Speaker 1: in our own way. I had private conference like meeting
Speaker 1: with my coach, and by the by the time we
Speaker 1: came together to get ready for the match, my coaches like,
Speaker 1: you guys, like it's done. Like whatever you do, just
Speaker 1: stick together. I don't care if you're up, stick together
Speaker 1: or if you're down, stick together. Just that's my only
Speaker 1: request because then you have a chance. Right. And then
Speaker 1: prior to that, before like I kind of got ready
Speaker 1: for the day, I was just kind of wallowing and
Speaker 1: I literally was lost to my husband's like, baby, you
Speaker 1: need to stop, like this is ridiculous, Like you have
Speaker 1: like you're an athlete, you have you have earned the
Speaker 1: right to fight for another day, Like go and win
Speaker 1: this ship. You know, you're an American, Like this is
Speaker 1: the American spirit that you love so much. Get out there.
Speaker 1: You're so supportive, and that really helped me kind of
Speaker 1: turn the corner, you know. And then Harry, my coach,
Speaker 1: say just stick together. Because there was the bronze medal
Speaker 1: match started. How the semi final finished. It started as
Speaker 1: a nightmare for the first game and a half, and
Speaker 1: then there was one moment where April like I was
Speaker 1: just kind of an automaton, just like trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out, and I didn't realize I wasn't like deeply
Speaker 1: connected with April. And at one point she grabbed my arm.
Speaker 1: She's like carry I'm like, yeah, she's like Carrie, and
Speaker 1: she like made eye contact and that was just like okay.
Speaker 1: And then literally a point or two later, like there
Speaker 1: was a gnarly point like we outlasted, we won, and
Speaker 1: that changed the whole game. You know. It's I love April.
Speaker 1: You know we uh we had a kind of a
Speaker 1: falling out after ath Olympics the next year, just mostly
Speaker 1: because like domestic volleyball politics. But you know, it's like
Speaker 1: politics these days, you can't take it personally. And we
Speaker 1: agree to disagree, and you know, we parted ways, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's no hard feelings. I think she's wonderful and
Speaker 1: she won gold in Tokyo. I'm so happy for her,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'll ended as a ship. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the way you talk about deciding whether to retire.
Speaker 1: It's like some crystal ball is just going to manifest
Speaker 1: itself and tell you. But but you're in the driver's
Speaker 1: seat of that decision, right, I mean, yes and no, Sam.
Speaker 1: I you know, I opened my mouth the other day
Speaker 1: about who I would play with if I came back
Speaker 1: and this person is deeply private, and so I can't
Speaker 1: go there right now. And it's a very mutual decision.
Speaker 1: So I'm being kind of cryptic, but for important reasons.
Speaker 1: But you know, like like three months ago, no beginning
Speaker 1: of this year, I was like, I literally don't know.
Speaker 1: I had to two things that happened with my children
Speaker 1: who are and I was like, maybe I can't do this.
Speaker 1: I had one thing where I was gone in the
Speaker 1: lead up to Tokyo for many weeks, and my my
Speaker 1: kids came over to visit me, and my daughter was like, hey, Mom,
Speaker 1: and kind of talked to you about something. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she goes. On the day that you left for your
Speaker 1: long trip, we took a picture and in the picture,
Speaker 1: I was crying because you were leaving, and you were
Speaker 1: miling because you were leading, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like that it was the gnarliest thing ever.
Speaker 1: She's looking at me right now, and it like crushed me.
Speaker 1: And I was so grateful that she had the awareness
Speaker 1: to talk to me about that, because that could traumatize
Speaker 1: a child thinking your mom is so happy to be
Speaker 1: It rocked me to my court and we had a
Speaker 1: great conversation, you know. And um, so that's one thing,
Speaker 1: like heavy, heavy, deep stuff. And then there was another conversation.
Speaker 1: My son Joey wrote me a birthday card and he
Speaker 1: was really funny card and he wrote it and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Mom, I'm twelve years old and some of
Speaker 1: the hardest times in my life have been when you
Speaker 1: were away. And and then he wrote this other stuff
Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, oh my hell, like this is
Speaker 1: and so and they're so honest, like how like what
Speaker 1: a gift? And so um, I was like I can't,
Speaker 1: like I can't do this, but I have this calling
Speaker 1: in my heart. What do I do with these two things?
Speaker 1: And so in the meantime, we've had many conversations and
Speaker 1: now the solution that we came up with is that
Speaker 1: we do this together. So we travel together. So I
Speaker 1: need to get an airline sponsorship and Airbnb partnership and
Speaker 1: then the whole crew can go together. And um, that's
Speaker 1: the dream. And that was always a dream for us
Speaker 1: to travel as a family as a traveling circus and
Speaker 1: you know, really realize our dreams. And so if my
Speaker 1: partner who I want to play with is she's in
Speaker 1: then it's on, but we gave ourselves tell July to
Speaker 1: figure it out, and so um I told her, I'm in,
Speaker 1: and now I'm just waiting. So what do you do?
Speaker 1: We know that you don't just sit around and wait.
Speaker 1: You're probably writing her love letters every day. No, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have so much restraight right now. Well, I blew
Speaker 1: it last week by doing a podcast. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I'm so casual, like I have no secrets, and
Speaker 1: so I learned a definite boundary in this new partnership potential.
Speaker 1: But she's my friend. I love her. She'll forgive me.
Speaker 1: But I'm you know, I'm working on my company four p.
Speaker 1: Fourteen forty, and I'm really trying to give back to
Speaker 1: the game. I really want to leave the sport in
Speaker 1: such a better position, and right now at the pro level,
Speaker 1: it's it's having a tough time, but the juniors are
Speaker 1: incredible and the collegiate love is incredible, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of great things going there. I'm training, but I'm
Speaker 1: just not playing volleyball, but I will soon. I live
Speaker 1: in Tahoe now, and so the snow just melted like
Speaker 1: a week ago, so things are changing, and I just
Speaker 1: want to do it my way, like I want to
Speaker 1: finish how I started. And I started like so joyful
Speaker 1: and so curious and just just like I don't think
Speaker 1: I was self absorbed, but I just loved the personal
Speaker 1: development part of it. And I didn't care about anyone else.
Speaker 1: I want to have fun with people, but worry about me,
Speaker 1: And that's how I want to finish, you know. And
Speaker 1: now a quick break. I was a junior athlete and
Speaker 1: then I went to college and played varsity tennis. And
Speaker 1: one of the hardest things in my life was to
Speaker 1: lose my identity. Like after I stopped playing tennis, I
Speaker 1: truly didn't know who I was because everyone in the
Speaker 1: world knew me as a tennis player. That was my
Speaker 1: entire identity. And so regaining my identity and figuring out
Speaker 1: who I was without my sport was really difficult for me.
Speaker 1: How do you think about that? You know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've lived that a couple of times, like with
Speaker 1: each pregnancy and you know, you bow out, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh well, they don't even care, like you're already gone,
Speaker 1: you know, so you kind of realize where you fit
Speaker 1: in the picture of the world that you're just you know,
Speaker 1: like something very special but so minor, and you know,
Speaker 1: time goes. So that's really helped me kind of get
Speaker 1: some perspective. But also you know, like I I decided
Speaker 1: I was gonna take this year off and hopefully I
Speaker 1: come back. If I don't, I don't, But my my
Speaker 1: purpose in life hasn't changed, you know, Like I am
Speaker 1: here to literally develop myself into the best me I
Speaker 1: can be. You know, Volleyball my vehicle and my whole life,
Speaker 1: and that will transition to something else after this, but
Speaker 1: above the self development becoming the best me, Like I
Speaker 1: want to be a light in this world, and I
Speaker 1: don't need volleyball for that, you know. And so I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm forty three now I'm almost forty four.
Speaker 1: Like I've lived a life, a lot of heartache, a
Speaker 1: lot of dreams come true, and I will not settle
Speaker 1: for a life that does not involve being inspired, inspiring,
Speaker 1: staying fit, inspiring, empowering. You know. I just I can't
Speaker 1: do that, you know, And it's and it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so it's so easy. An athlete like you, you
Speaker 1: have three trainings a day and you're really fit, and
Speaker 1: you feel like you played the part, and I think
Speaker 1: to have a different kind of I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's gonna be hard for me when I
Speaker 1: do finally retire, so I haven't really lived it yet,
Speaker 1: sam to like to the fullest extent. I know I
Speaker 1: will grieve it. I know I will be devastated, but
Speaker 1: I also know my life keeps unfolding in a way
Speaker 1: that the next logical thing that's rad keep showing up,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just expecting that to happen. And I'm
Speaker 1: a worker, like I'm a dreamer, and I'm very good
Speaker 1: at I'm just so blessed that i have amazing people
Speaker 1: around me, and I'm not afraid to say, hey, let's
Speaker 1: try something, let's do something. You know, so I'm not
Speaker 1: really worried. Amy. Let's go to the speed round. What
Speaker 1: book are you reading. It's Dan Milman. It's the author
Speaker 1: who wrote Way of the Peaceful Warrior, and it's another
Speaker 1: one of his book books. I think it's like his
Speaker 1: whole whole life, not just his college life. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the name, but if I can recommend any book
Speaker 1: in the whole wide world, it would be As a
Speaker 1: Man Thinks by James Ellen. It's my favorite book. When
Speaker 1: is your morning routine? Okay, my deal morning routine starts
Speaker 1: at night so I can wake up early. So an
Speaker 1: ideal would have me like in bed never happens. Waking
Speaker 1: up at four thirty, making my hot water with lemon
Speaker 1: and honey, journaling, meditating, breathing. At six o'clock. Two days
Speaker 1: a week, I have a workout with my trainer on
Speaker 1: Zoom and then my kids wake up at seven and
Speaker 1: then we get going on the day. So but I
Speaker 1: found that if I wake up an hour to an
Speaker 1: hour and a half before my babes, before I have
Speaker 1: any obligations, my day feels like I'm on vacation, even
Speaker 1: if it's the craziest, harriest day. Who leaves you star struck?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a weirdo. I mean I my
Speaker 1: heart races fast with any cute person or kind person
Speaker 1: or celebrity. I don't know if it's star struck or not.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of an anxious human. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody and nobody. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: But like if you went out to dinner tomorrow and
Speaker 1: I and there was one celebrity at the restaurant, and
Speaker 1: we're like oh my god, holy sh it. Guess so
Speaker 1: I just thought, who would that person be? I mean,
Speaker 1: all of them are fun to see and look at.
Speaker 1: I would like hee my pants if I had to
Speaker 1: talk to any of them. I have this documentary series
Speaker 1: that I want to should shoot, which is like sitting
Speaker 1: down with high performers who are doing the juggle of life,
Speaker 1: like long sustained, excellent careers with the family, like some
Speaker 1: divorce them don't, some retire, some don't. And my thought
Speaker 1: of interviewing these people gives me a heart attack. And
Speaker 1: my list is like the highest people ever. You want
Speaker 1: to hear the list, Okay, Tony Robbins, Michael Phelps, Abby
Speaker 1: Wamback Layard and Gabby. I have Kevin Costner, I want
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman, Um Connolle's a Rice like these people. Carrie,
Speaker 1: do you realize that you are a celebrity? No, I don't.
Speaker 1: My husband gets so piste off. He's like, Babe, it's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: stop it. You're not that dumb. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know what to say. I'm just no,
Speaker 1: but I need you because it's like I did that
Speaker 1: podcast asked that I like spilled the beans and NBC
Speaker 1: Olympics picked it up, and now I like, got my friend.
Speaker 1: She's all mad at me, and I need to be
Speaker 1: aware of these things. So our final question, if you
Speaker 1: were not a volleyball player, what career would you have?
Speaker 1: You know, I would have to compete in some way
Speaker 1: like period, and I don't know what that looks like
Speaker 1: because volleyball has just been my whole life. But I
Speaker 1: just have this like I'm like a cage like I've
Speaker 1: i haven't really competed in a year, and I'm like
Speaker 1: a cage lion, Like I'm literally like, let me add it.
Speaker 1: I'm going crazy, Like I I have my company P
Speaker 1: fourteen forty, like I am so honored and out and
Speaker 1: we are on a mission. So it's Platform fourteen forty.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, we serve the volleyball community juniors. Um, sorry,
Speaker 1: we have live events and we're digital programming as well.
Speaker 1: But fourteen forty there are only fourteen hundred and forty
Speaker 1: minutes in the day. I learned that's the marriage counseling,
Speaker 1: and I learned that I was wasting so many minutes
Speaker 1: in my day, and so we wanted to create a
Speaker 1: property that served the game. But that brought in universal
Speaker 1: wellness and awareness, you know themes and time is precious,
Speaker 1: time is sacred and if we can inspire you, Sam,
Speaker 1: you aim me to live in the moment. All of
Speaker 1: us know on this call that the moment is where
Speaker 1: our point of attraction is our point of powers, where
Speaker 1: truth wise, love wise, our futures created right now. And
Speaker 1: so fourteen forty we have a tour for juniors. Were
Speaker 1: actually giving away a hundred ten thousand dollars in prize
Speaker 1: money scholarship money to our junior's athletes. Never been done before. Um,
Speaker 1: so basically we're subsidizing their journey to get college scholarships.
Speaker 1: It's really powerful and we're kind of in transition now
Speaker 1: figuring out our next move because we really want to.
Speaker 1: We want you know, events are very finite, so we
Speaker 1: want to you know, scale and do that on the
Speaker 1: digital side. But like my head is like I'm only
Speaker 1: I'm only magic in person. I don't translate this way,
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know how to give the
Speaker 1: wisdom and all that stuff digitally. Yet you have magic
Speaker 1: in you, Like I want to go run a marathon
Speaker 1: now and I don't run. I mean, seriously, you are
Speaker 1: very motivating, inspiring person. Well, that's very nice, thank thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll have to accept that because I'm trying to say, Sam.
Speaker 1: One thing that's really interesting, and perhaps one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that I think Carrie's interview is so different, is
Speaker 1: that we do not ever hear women talk about business
Speaker 1: relationships or friendships that don't go the way of the angels, right,
Speaker 1: or that that break up or that end and finding
Speaker 1: our way back to each other like that is messy,
Speaker 1: that is complicated, and I feel like women aren't allowed
Speaker 1: to talk about that, and Carrie just owned it in
Speaker 1: this really beautiful way. Well, I don't even think that's
Speaker 1: what it's that women aren't allowed talk about it, because
Speaker 1: I don't think men talk about it either. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone talks about business relationships and how hard they
Speaker 1: are to maintain and how how important they are, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, our our partnership is so important to both
Speaker 1: of us, and we have ups and downs and we
Speaker 1: have to get into it a lot because we're dealing
Speaker 1: in the trenches every day. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: part of listening to her was just enlightening for us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she was so honest about how
Speaker 1: hard it is and how awesome it is and how
Speaker 1: lucky you are to have someone that you work so
Speaker 1: closely with it you love. And I was just really
Speaker 1: inspired by just the way she talked about it. It
Speaker 1: was really funny. I actually there is one story. I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one, but I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so the Misty in this and A means the Carrie.
Speaker 1: I think it was when she she won and then
Speaker 1: she whispered in that woman's ear like Okay, it's you
Speaker 1: and I in four years. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Amy would do that to me, and I feel like
Speaker 1: weeping in the corner. She had stepped out, she was dead,
Speaker 1: but I would still make me weep. That's the thing
Speaker 1: is Missy had stepped out, but it still made her sad.
Speaker 1: I would be the Missy anyway. I just I love
Speaker 1: Carrie and I definitely want to have her back. Thanks
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