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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, wasn't it stuff to Blow your Mind?

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, and

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Speaker 1: it is Thanksgiving two and so we would like to

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Speaker 1: revisit a past episode for you today. That's right. It

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Speaker 1: is one of the seven Deadly sinned gluttony. And if

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Speaker 1: you do not live here in the United States, or

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Speaker 1: if you're just not celebrating Thanksgiving, just luxuriate in the

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Speaker 1: fact that it is one of the seven Deadly sins.

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Speaker 1: And there's lots of really interesting information about food, diet,

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Speaker 1: the way that your body responds to food. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: was an episode that we did as part of our

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Speaker 1: Seven Deadly series where we took each of the seven

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Speaker 1: Deadly sins and we looked at some of the scientific

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Speaker 1: research behind that topic. Creed, wrath of lust, what have you.

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Speaker 1: We had all seven of them, and this was just

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Speaker 1: one page. But it's one page that's deaf only worth

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Speaker 1: revisiting for the most glaton talk, at least in the

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Speaker 1: American tradition. So we thought you guys might enjoy this today.

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Speaker 1: Um again, if you're in the United States, you're listening

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Speaker 1: to us, and you're listening and thinks, I think, happy

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and thanks to everybody. We appreciate you. This is

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Speaker 1: if we were going around the dinner table right now,

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Speaker 1: we'd say thank you, thanks for our stuff to blow

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Speaker 1: your mind listeners because they're awesome. It makes me think

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Speaker 1: goes on Futurama. They have there's a robot called Heatonism

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Speaker 1: bot and uh. He his legs are the legs of

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Speaker 1: like a reclining chair. It's like in a reclining state

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Speaker 1: with a bowl of grapes on his chest and has

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Speaker 1: a very Roman air to him. But yeah, so so

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Speaker 1: gluttony is is the sin that's typically associated with like

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Speaker 1: massive consumptions of food, being really into food, enormous feasts,

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Speaker 1: feast without end and uh. If we look to the

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Speaker 1: pages of Dante's Divine Comedy, we see we see gluttony

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Speaker 1: show up in both Inferno and purgatory. An inferno the

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Speaker 1: pit of the eternal suffering. At the center of the planet.

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Speaker 1: We see a circle. This is the third circle guarded

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Speaker 1: by Sarabus, the three headed dog. You know, the dog

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Speaker 1: is a good symbol of gluttony. So, and a dog

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Speaker 1: not what if you're not familiar with Dante, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not quite what you might imagine for a punishment of gluttons.

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Speaker 1: Uh all right. So you have rain hale and snow

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Speaker 1: falling just like crazy rain hale and snow, all right,

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Speaker 1: and it's just pummeling the gluttons who are just they're

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Speaker 1: And so this is where the gluttons are punished. Um

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Speaker 1: and but that is part of the human condition, right

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Speaker 1: and um as uh worth Well says, Gluttony is not

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Speaker 1: a secret vice. You can see it all over you

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Speaker 1: and on the surface. You know, we discussed in the

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Speaker 1: we're talking about how India is not a fun sin.

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Speaker 1: Gluttony is is one that, at least on the surface,

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Speaker 1: seems a lot more fun because because I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Like food is not just something I'm just kind of into.

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Speaker 1: level of gluttony that was unimagined in Dante's time, well exactly.

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Speaker 1: And and and let's even say like Henry the eighth right,

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Speaker 1: But in today's world, we can all be Henry the

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Speaker 1: And this would come into play in competitive eating. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: removed from those two necessities. Well, it's eating to an

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Speaker 1: paid handsomely for it. But who the person we're going

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Speaker 1: It's just insane. Yeah. I would be tim to classify

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Speaker 1: him as a power glutton. Yeah, yeah, power you can

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Speaker 1: don't really know. Well, I mean he's doing some vomiting,

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Speaker 1: which is just incredible, incredible, It's one way way to

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Speaker 1: sometimes he is accompanied to the eating platform, gluttony, ringing,

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Speaker 1: a valets who are called the wing at, the wing at. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that not only do they cheer for him, that

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Speaker 1: this dude is so interesting. This is such a fascinating

428
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Speaker 1: glimpse into really the heart of gluttony. My words, not his. Uh,

429
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Speaker 1: he had to shoot this tim and it extra where

430
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Speaker 1: he's just talking to wing a door about about it

431
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Speaker 1: and I love that. And as you had mentioned earlier

432
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Speaker 1: when we were talking about this, but um, you have

433
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Speaker 1: to see him in action with the wings getting his

434
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: glutton chops on Clinton chops. Yeah, which is I guess

435
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Speaker 1: what you call the smears of orange hot wing sauce

436
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Speaker 1: that are on the side of your face when you're

437
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Speaker 1: fully engorging yourself on chicken wings. Yeah, as a vegetarian,

438
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Speaker 1: because I've never had glutton chops, I might have had

439
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Speaker 1: soy glutton chops. Are there soy based or do you

440
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: think they're vegetarian or vegan eating competitions? No, but you

441
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: know again, if someone's out there and they want to

442
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Speaker 1: explore that, there you go, there's an idea. Yeah, I

443
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: think it's just sort of antithetical to the whole vegetarian

444
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: vegan thing. Yeah. I could be wrong, though, I think

445
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: it tends to be. Well, so let's talk about the

446
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: future of gluttony, because there's always a future for Yeah.

447
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I guess that we've reached

448
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Speaker 1: the space age of gluttony with the eating competitions, But

449
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: I think humans could be grosser. I think we have

450
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Speaker 1: it in ourselves to to do more. Well. I think

451
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Speaker 1: that you know, there's there's the stability that we could

452
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Speaker 1: actually create the vomitorium. Right. We used to think that

453
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Speaker 1: in room in times that there was something called vomitorium

454
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Speaker 1: that we we'd eat and maybe there was a vomitorium,

455
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: but it was it was not a place where you

456
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Speaker 1: throw up your food so you can eat more. It

457
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: was just an architectural flourish, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, the

458
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: people mistook for like this big communal place where you

459
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Speaker 1: just threw up after you yea, which is a factlessness

460
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Speaker 1: idea that doesn't exactly exist. But in the future we

461
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: might actually be able to manage food in a way

462
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Speaker 1: that we could overeat and in a way get rid

463
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: of all of this access and that is through lefton. Again,

464
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: we talked about left in as being something that could

465
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Speaker 1: uh that is very helpful and appetite suppression, and scientists

466
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Speaker 1: at Columbia University have conducted several small studies looking at

467
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Speaker 1: whether injecting people with lepton can override the body's resistance

468
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Speaker 1: to weight loss and help maintain a lower weight. And

469
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Speaker 1: this is in a few small studies, left injections seemed

470
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Speaker 1: to trick the body into thinking it's still fat and

471
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Speaker 1: after left in replacement, and this is really interesting. Study

472
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: subjects burned more calories during activity and in brain scan studies,

473
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Speaker 1: left in jecton's appeared to change how the brain responds

474
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Speaker 1: to food, making it seem less enticely. So you would

475
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Speaker 1: like stick a syringe of lefton in one end and

476
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Speaker 1: a meatball sub in the other, and they would they

477
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Speaker 1: would balance each other right, right, They just can'cel each

478
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Speaker 1: other up. But of course this is a sort of

479
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Speaker 1: a new treatment and not something that's been widely studied,

480
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Speaker 1: and it is probably years away for use. Right. Tooking

481
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Speaker 1: for cheese steak, why did I go from meatball? Cheese

482
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Speaker 1: steak as much grosser? Do you think that's more glenn

483
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Speaker 1: Is than meatball? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it basically the same.

484
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Speaker 1: Both are lots of meat and some cheese on giant

485
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Speaker 1: pieces of bread. But there's something about the cheese steak

486
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Speaker 1: that's a little vialer. I guess maybe because it's protein

487
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Speaker 1: on protein, I guess. Yeah. It seems like there's a

488
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Speaker 1: show I was watching and it was like they were

489
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Speaker 1: profiling these different chefs and their favorite foods in different cities,

490
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Speaker 1: and like every city has its own cheese steak. I

491
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Speaker 1: feel like I've been this rant before, but I have

492
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Speaker 1: a thing against cheese steaks. All right. I think we're

493
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a Science of TI Sticks podcast

494
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: coming up. Um. Here's another thing that is that on

495
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the cusp of our understanding and perhaps harnessing this information,

496
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: something called brown fat. There are fat cells that consume

497
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Speaker 1: calories and release heat. Yeah, and if you're not driving

498
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: or riding a bicycle or anything like that, you can

499
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Speaker 1: you can probably reach up around your neck and you

500
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Speaker 1: can sort of feel yourself a little a little brown fat, right,

501
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: because that's where the human body tends to store it

502
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: doing it right now? Yeah, Yeah, you have a nice

503
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Speaker 1: little padding there. Um. It is important because researchers actually

504
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: think that, um, this could help turn white fat into

505
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Speaker 1: brown fat and you could actually burn more calories. And

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Speaker 1: you could possibly do this by exercising. They have seen

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Speaker 1: in subjects that exercise can create brown fat out of

508
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Speaker 1: white fat. Yeah. And this brown fat is remarkable because

509
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: rather than storing excess energy, the fat actually burns through

510
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: it right. Yeah. And and previously we kind of only

511
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Speaker 1: thought it was like a rodent or human new born thing.

512
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Speaker 1: Rats are babies one of the you know, they were

513
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Speaker 1: the only ones who who are really that into it.

514
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Speaker 1: And we would and generally if you would see a

515
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Speaker 1: lot of brown fat in the human, an adult human,

516
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Speaker 1: it meant that there was some sort of did generally

517
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Speaker 1: there was some of the kind of health ailment going

518
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: on that unbalanced things. Yeah, but they have a much

519
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: better understanding and this, I mean, this is only like

520
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: three years old information right now we're still figuring out. Yeah,

521
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: like the that they even figured out that brown fat

522
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: exists in adult humans, and again to go back to

523
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Speaker 1: the rodents. Um. At first, you know, they thought, okay, well,

524
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: rodents can't shiver and they use brown fat to keep warm,

525
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: and so do human infants, who also don't shiver very well.

526
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: And then they thought, well, once humans lose their brown

527
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: fat after infancy, the shivering response kicks in and we

528
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: no longer have a use for the brown fat. And

529
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: that is not true. Um. They actually found that younger

530
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: women have more brown fat than say, older men, Thinner

531
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: people have more brown fat than um than larger people.

532
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: Uh So they're still trying to figure it out and

533
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: figure out how to actually copulated for own use. That's

534
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: one of those things could be problematic though, because the

535
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Speaker 1: people who have the most active brown fat are generally

536
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: individuals with cancer or hyper thyroidism. So right, and again

537
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: hypothrotoism in cancer, assuming that you probably have whittled down

538
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: to a weight that's not that is no longer healthy. Right.

539
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's got its limits, but that could be

540
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: an interesting future in terms of fighting off gluttony. Another possibility.

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Speaker 1: This would be far future, and I feel like I've

542
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: mentioned this example before, but an Ian m Banks culture series.

543
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: The denizens of the culture who you know, they've been

544
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: genetically advanced to the point where they can they can

545
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: release random drug like chemicals into their body just by

546
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: thinking about them. Uh, they have these you know, the

547
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: benevolent robots that look after them. But they can also

548
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: bypass food or beverage. So like if an individual wants

549
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: to have another cocktail but doesn't want to feel the

550
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: effects of that cocktail, they can bypass it straight through.

551
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Well not straight through, well, that would have be the

552
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: effects of that cocktail later on, I mean, you still

553
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: want to hit the reward center, right, I think they

554
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: would just you would get the taste would be like

555
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: chewing a food and then spitting it out, or I

556
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: guess it would be a little they would get like

557
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of the I got the impression it was.

558
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: It was like, I want to enjoy this food, but

559
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Speaker 1: I don't want to actually digest it and I don't

560
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: Or I want to enjoy this beverage, but I don't

561
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: want to actually take into the alcohol into my system.

562
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: So it's like they have a separate line just for

563
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: purely recreational food and beverage. I like that's just like

564
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Speaker 1: two different digestive systems in a way, but the one

565
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: digestive system doesn't really work. I'm just trying to think

566
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Speaker 1: how we can fit this center our own little uh

567
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: worldview in the future possibility of having few different digestive systems. Yeah,

568
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, there are other possibilities to in

569
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Speaker 1: terms of the future of gluttony, like imagine being able

570
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: to plug yourself into a virtual environment where you just

571
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: eat all you want. Yeah, with that, with that, say,

572
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: you you know, I wonder if that would chick in

573
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: again with the reward center and openmine, if that would

574
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Speaker 1: be released. I don't know, situation. Maybe maybe it's it's

575
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: such a far future possibility, like you would have to

576
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: we're talking, we would be talking more than just like

577
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: strapping in some goggles and some haptic gloves and you know,

578
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: going through a city made out of cheeseburgers. It would

579
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you would have to have a much more like neurologically

580
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: plugged in system for that to take place. And by

581
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: that point, who knows what else would have figured out? Well,

582
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: and then do you think in that realm that more

583
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: people would become competitive eaters? That's my question. Maybe, but

584
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: it would be a crazy like the competition would just

585
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: be off the charts. I mean, how would you even

586
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: clock that? I don't know, I don't know somehow someway

587
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, you know this will come out like a

588
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, but that we were recording this

589
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Speaker 1: on ash Wednesday, for a lot of people will go

590
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Speaker 1: into like some sort of Lenten fasting or saying I'm

591
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Speaker 1: not gonna eat fried foods except on feast days kind

592
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Speaker 1: of a thing. So that's kind of that's that's kind

593
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Speaker 1: of perfect. Yeah, talking about sins and lent and gluttony.

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Speaker 1: That you have it a little slice of stuff to

595
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Speaker 1: blow your mind past to have with those three slices

596
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Speaker 1: of pie that you had for Thanksgiving dinner and dessert.

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Speaker 1: We hope that the information helps you to understand the

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Speaker 1: gluttony that you part took off today, or help you

599
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: to understand the gluttony that you dodged, but inevitably someone

600
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: you know indulge again. Do you want to find us,

601
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: you want to talk to us about this topic and others,

602
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Speaker 1: you can head on over to stuff to Blow your

603
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Speaker 1: mind dot com. That's where you'll find all seven of

604
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: those uh seven Deadly's episodes there there for your listening pleasure,

605
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: including this one. If you want to listen to it

606
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: in its original format, hey, go for it. You can

607
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Speaker 1: also find our blogs, you can find our videos all

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Speaker 1: that stuff Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. You

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