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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, will beat the Medium seed.

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Speaker 1: We welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanss. It's coming to you from

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Speaker 1: a city filled with heroes in bunker's in garages. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we got we're up to two heroes and garages. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal bokles Mark Sessler's us but also been great

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Speaker 1: Patrick Clavon, what is up? Boys? Well, what's up? Guys?

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Speaker 1: You know? I figured, um, if somebody's out because they're

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Speaker 1: a new father, the best thing I could do is

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Speaker 1: have a child and then uh, and then hop on

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Speaker 1: Tom because well it's a bit of an upstaging. Would

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Speaker 1: you say that's not the case? You know? Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't know. I'm not gonna pitch child versus

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Speaker 1: child here. I am obviously biased. But Greg, Greg asked

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Speaker 1: and uh, I asked Lauren, you know, because I was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: kind of podcast and uh and she was like yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we we we made it happen, which is cool.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any parental units over there, anybody to

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Speaker 1: Her mom was here initially because Malcolm couldn't come to

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Speaker 1: the hospital because he would have broken it. So, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we she was here. She left it a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's just us doing the two kid thing,

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Speaker 1: which is uh so yes different. Claibon born Jugee, Age,

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Speaker 1: you have to blame that on our researcher. My researcher

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Speaker 1: is my five year old son Jack. Uh So you

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Speaker 1: could throw him under the bus, but Sage Claibon born

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Speaker 1: July twenty nine. And um, you know you also, Patrick

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Speaker 1: told us before the show that you had abstained from

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Speaker 1: alcohol during the entirety of um laurence pregnancy. And then

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Speaker 1: we were like, oh, it blew all of our minds.

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Speaker 1: And then we said, well, how much do you drink?

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Speaker 1: And you said, I believe the number was what my

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Speaker 1: eight ounces is what you like between an ounces per week?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's not like I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: out getting blitzed all the time. Uh the number will

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Speaker 1: time at home, Like at some point you have to

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Speaker 1: be concerned about alcoholism if you're just at home with

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Speaker 1: your three year old kicking back shots. Oh absolutely, you

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Speaker 1: know what this has been. And I think this has

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Speaker 1: been a common talking point that since this, you know,

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen took hold in mid March, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have turned to drinking on some level to

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Speaker 1: kind of turn your brain off for stress reasons. I

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Speaker 1: certainly was doing that, and I think, um, I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say that you also then have to

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Speaker 1: keep tabs on these things because how the days all

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Speaker 1: like bleed into one another. You might realize, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: I've I've drank multiple days in a row. Let's shut

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Speaker 1: this thing down. That's why I instituted my weekend's only

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Speaker 1: policy for that reason. M I mean I would say

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Speaker 1: one thing that you know, Zessler conspicuously quiet. No, not

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean I think there was this period

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Speaker 1: point to alcohol, you can point to lots of things,

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Speaker 1: but it was, um, you know, I can maybe sleep

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Speaker 1: not really care, um if the kids are roaming around

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Speaker 1: the house or just eat take out food NonStop because hey,

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Speaker 1: look at me, I'm supporting vendors. But then suddenly it's

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Speaker 1: letting go. I do have to ask Patrick one question, though,

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Speaker 1: is someone who you know? I name my child Colton

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Speaker 1: Sage after uh Sage Rosenfeld is one of your favorite

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Speaker 1: when you go through quarterbacks, which is tough, right because

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, the new stage will have the accomplishments.

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Speaker 1: some great moments for with Miami that I enjoyed. There

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Speaker 1: was great moment, yeah, there was. There was a stage

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Speaker 1: all right, good, all right, So you know, let's be

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Speaker 1: honest here, Like, so, our our show, as as it's

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Speaker 1: right now, and we've been lucky because it's not just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Let's get this us in that person. We have people

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Speaker 1: that they're friends, friends of ours, and Steve weisch is

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Speaker 1: and uh, Patrick, we wanna We're excited to have you

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Speaker 1: on for a number of reasons. But you've always been

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Speaker 1: saying things that you believe in, and you've always been uh,

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Speaker 1: there's no better, there's nobody better as a Twitter troll

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Speaker 1: slayer than Patrick Claiban. Uh so said to have to

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Speaker 1: the white guilt phone calls to get a little tiresome. Um,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's been different, uh, to see the reaction

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Speaker 1: I mean, this week is is last week, and last

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Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there holding, you know, a five

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Speaker 1: people were waiting for his His his teammates were accepting

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00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: his apology, and they did a lot in house, and

428
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: Sean Payton reportedly told everyone, you know, don't talk about

429
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: it outside, so so we're not gonna hear too much

430
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: about it. But it was interesting that that that response

431
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: to Trump was the first time Freeze actually started going

432
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: through and kind of addressing the specific issues of the day,

433
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: rather than just sort of saying I'm sorry that I

434
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: offended people. And and that's really how things should work,

435
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: right you. You you say something, people call you out

436
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: on it, you evaluate um, and then you go about

437
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: things and to have an opportunity to kind of confront

438
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: really the the face of of these problems the president.

439
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: It's um and not that these problems are exclusive to president.

440
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: They were pervasive for you know, four all the way

441
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: down to one before one, uh, fifty years before the

442
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: first um. So it's it's it's great for Breeze that

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Speaker 1: he's able to do that and they will be able

444
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: to move on. UM. In terms of, you know, how

445
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: the league reacts to that, I think it really sets

446
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: a foundation for how teams and owners and coaches can

447
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: react to the Trump problem because, honestly, you know, it's

448
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: it's been a long four years and UM, a lot

449
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: of people in America I have kind of done the

450
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: reading because of the president. UM, and they know more

451
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: than they did in sixteen. And I think some owners

452
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: will as well. And honestly, not to get too deep

453
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: into punditure here, but um, a few of these owners

454
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: probably want to preserve their political ideology and hitching their

455
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: wagon to Donald Trump again. Uh, they probably don't see

456
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: that as the best route to do that. Um So,

457
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: so I could see them having a different response. Well,

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're seeing that with poll numbers across the

459
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Speaker 1: country for the first time in a while, so that

460
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: something is is changing. There is a shift. But you know,

461
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: Drew Brees also, and a lot of people ask right away,

462
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Speaker 1: with this just simply destroy the New Orleans locker room?

463
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Um would this be repaired on any level for the Saints?

464
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: And one thing about that one of the better locker

465
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: rooms in the league is that you've got your your

466
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: cam Jordan's and and others who went and spoke with Breeze.

467
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Speaker 1: And I do you know for the initial response by

468
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Speaker 1: Breeze and probably how his heart was at that time.

469
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: I do believe that people can learn if they're willing to,

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Speaker 1: especially from people friends, family members, Saints. His Saints teammates

471
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: are family members to him, Um that they're clearly there

472
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: was a listening process that probably informed that Trump response

473
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: where he wasn't there a few days ago. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's like if you're with with people that are, um,

475
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, down on Breeze overall. I mean the initial

476
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: response absolutely, but are we also willing to see with everyone?

477
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Speaker 1: Not just growth? I mean the whole point is where

478
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Speaker 1: will we be five years from now, um, five months

479
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Speaker 1: from now, five weeks from now, where we'll where will

480
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: all kids be? Will they see things differently that we do?

481
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Speaker 1: And it's like it's gonna be a creekier process with

482
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Speaker 1: people with embedded thought processes that have been in their

483
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: minds for decades, and it's it's gonna be easier with

484
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: young people that are sponges for justice. We and we've

485
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: talked about it on this show for years before any

486
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: of this happened. Drew Brees like, what is Yeah, we

487
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: don't need to even get into it, but yeah, there

488
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: you can read about it. There's there's legal stuff. There's

489
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff, not shocking, not shocking that it

490
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: came from him versus fill in the blank other quarterback,

491
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: but beyond like the legal proceedings and the situation with

492
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Speaker 1: his mom and all that stuff, I mean, just like,

493
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: is he a genuine person? And then my first reaction

494
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: when the apology first apology came was well, was this

495
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: actually from some sense of a level of enlightenment or

496
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: did he sit down with a PR crisis team and

497
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: and pound out a statement. But then you hear more

498
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: and more about the story, and like we said, it

499
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: was very behind closed doors. Actually nobody had access to

500
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: the Saints team meeting except for shock Attack Quille O'Neills.

501
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: There that was a wild subplot in NFL history that

502
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: Shack who just happened to be scheduled. Um for this,

503
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Shack is also Shock is also a cop, by the way,

504
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: just for the same they keep Jack on the zoom call.

505
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: He then apparently it's very emotional. I think Peter King

506
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: wrote that he couldn't report that Breeze cried in his

507
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: conversation with teammates, but he may have. And then Shock

508
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: spoke to the team about the importance of unity and

509
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: not letting the media and social media, Oh you divide.

510
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, um, the New Orleans Saints are a

511
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Speaker 1: team of professional football players and they have been through

512
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: a lot. And I guess the thing that I wanted

513
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: to try to tell people is they were going to

514
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: be professionals no matter what. And we all work with

515
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: people that say some things and do some things where

516
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: we're just like, you know what the like, what are

517
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: you talking about? And especially especially black men in America,

518
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: if we were unable to work with everybody who said

519
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: some flawed race stuff, then we would never be able

520
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: to work. And so, like I understand, like the team

521
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: huddled the Kumbaya like when again again, when I think

522
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: that it may have been a little awkward, But like

523
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas album, Camara Marcus Davenport, like Cam Jordan's, they

524
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: they'd still be pretty good football players, right, regardless of

525
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: how they felt about Trooper. Right, I thought that part

526
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: of it, how it relates to football. I wasn't really

527
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: even thinking or worried about that, like this is gonna

528
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: be their biggest pro because I just think back to

529
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: all the teams that have had Like think about the

530
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: two thousand, what year is it that the year of

531
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers first one with Ben Roethlisberger. Talk talk to

532
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: how all of his offensive teammates felt about him that

533
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: year as a steamrolled to a super Bowl, Like you know,

534
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: it's just you know, they're out there playing and they're

535
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: gonna find a way. It's also the middle of the

536
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: middle of the summer and out um, but it's how

537
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: do you know Shaq wasn't in a team meeting and

538
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: oh four you right, he's like the Forrest Gump of unity. Yeah,

539
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna It's like, hey, we need somebody to kind

540
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: of bring a team drama into perspective. Let's go get

541
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil, who famously got along with all of the

542
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: two came out of the Peter King article. Shaq is

543
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: telling these Saints players listen, then if if the media

544
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't break up me and Kobe, we would have won

545
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: five more titles. Now, bro, how about you take a

546
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: little accountability yourself. We get off track. That's um, all right,

547
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: good talk, guys, that's what's happening. But there's so much

548
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: happening in the NFL right now that we could have

549
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: talked another hour on that. But let's let's talk a

550
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: little bit of football. I wanna talk a little football,

551
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Patrick claibn. Football. Yeah, football is good like football, speaking

552
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: of the unifying agent to professional football. And you know

553
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: we have uh season that continues and who knows, cessslor,

554
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: I know you've been tracking this very closely. Um, who

555
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: knows what can happen with COVID nineteen and a second outbreak.

556
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Let's hope, let's hope not, let's hope this is You've

557
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: been really on top of this more than anyone I know.

558
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: I expect you for it, um, But well, just the

559
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: hubris that somehow, because we want to go to the

560
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Westfield Mall, that this virus doesn't exist. Number numbers aren't

561
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: numbers aren't great right now and like California in Texas,

562
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: but I have to get my drink on and driving

563
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: around town and sit under an umbrella with my girlfriends.

564
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: No not me, someone else saying that, uh, you know,

565
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: that person doesn't need the coronavirus is in their way

566
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: at this point, so it doesn't exist. Get on a

567
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: plane of Vegas, whether you want to criticize or understand

568
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: where they're coming from. There. They seem to be going

569
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: full steam ahead. They said, this season is going to

570
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: happen unless so let us for the moment. Mark if

571
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: you can imagine a week one in September, and with

572
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: that in mind, um, with everything that's going on on

573
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: the football side of things, what is like maybe an

574
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion that you hold something that not many people

575
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: or any people would agree with. But it's not and

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00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: it's not you know, some people say, oh, man, you're

577
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: really gonna die on that hill. Man, you can really

578
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: die on that hill. No, no, no, no, we're looking

579
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: to live hills that were ready to live on. Do

580
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: you guys get it? That can see? Okay? Because we

581
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: like the hill, right you know, this is this is

582
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: my hill, intending to I might die on it, but

583
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I know I will conquer and live upon the hill.

584
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna slaughter everyone who tries to make you die

585
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: on the hill, and you're gonna bend them to your will.

586
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: It will be the hill will be your own person

587
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: a little Valhalla. Look at it that one, Greg? What

588
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: ill are you? I want to have here? Someone else?

589
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: Go first? Come on? You always do. I don't always

590
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: do that well because I'm still you know, that's a

591
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Greg trope. I wanna it's your it's your tone, I

592
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: think because I'm confused whether you know what the tone

593
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: of the hill is, whether you're you're you think you

594
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: might die, or is it just like a prediction that

595
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: you know. I want to I want to see what

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00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: you're you're setting the tone here, then that's on me

597
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: because I do want to make it clear. But I

598
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: also don't want to go first, because I need to

599
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: gather some thoughts. I'm saying, I see where this is

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00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: going actually about, and you're willing to defend that hill

601
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: when the addressors try to take it, Yeah, they're gonna storm.

602
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna storm. Like, fine, you want me to go first,

603
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll go first. Simply, Greg simply came up with an

604
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: answer during the Philip Broadcaster. I really was curious on

605
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: the tone here because to me, it's hills, aren't you know,

606
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: they're not created overnight. This has to be something that

607
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: to me, it's not like, hey, I've got a bold prediction,

608
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: you know the books are gonna win twelve games. No,

609
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: it's got to be something that to me that I

610
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: felt like for a long time, if I'm willing to die,

611
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm recognizing that predictions and seen into the future that

612
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: could be right or that could be wrong. But I

613
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: need to feel the righteousness of this belief to be

614
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: willing to die. Can I just jump in one second?

615
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Mindset purposes, Greg, You're not even willing to entertain the

616
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: possibility that you would die. Well, this is where we're

617
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: We're where we're different. You're here to feel it's like

618
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: to connect with this too, But um, I will I'm

619
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: willing to die on this particular I mean because you know,

620
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I know, I know I've died a lot. I've died

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: in some hills over the years, but this is one

622
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: that I've been tending to. I've been building and if

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: people want to come at me, they can. They can

624
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: come at me in terms of my belief in Philip

625
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: Rivers because I want to so I was gonna street

626
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: because Corps is rotting on that hill. So to the hill,

627
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: the hill isn't just about his career. That's that's we

628
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: we know about that a lot of people on that hill.

629
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Like a lot of arguments, you can have a both

630
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: sides argument of like Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, like

631
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: one side is wrong, but like you, you can make

632
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: that argument that that that Philip Rivers has been part

633
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: of the problem. I I look at his career and

634
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: I see a guy if he was in a million

635
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: other situations, um that he would be a no question

636
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Um that his skill set and his

637
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: aggressiveness and his ability um to put it on the

638
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: money and not worry about it would have succeeded in

639
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: so many places, so much better than a Chargers organization

640
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: that never gave him the support with the offensive line

641
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: and running game for about ten straight years of his prime.

642
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: And then, as someone who's starting to lose, hope to

643
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: see him go to Indianapolis and go to a team

644
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: that I think has a great head coach in a

645
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of ways, great at calling plays, great at managing

646
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: his team, a great GM who I think is put

647
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: a smart team around him and most importantly, a great

648
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: offensive line in front of him. Like I am willing

649
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: to die on the hill, that Philip Rivers is not

650
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: only going to be an asset and and carry the

651
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: Colts further than they've been in a long time, but

652
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be a much better signing than Tom

653
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Brady Ever. Was that that Philip Rivers was the guy

654
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: that with this situation with this Colts team, was the

655
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: guy who was brought in this offseason that's gonna make

656
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: the biggest difference. And we're gonna be talking about the

657
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Philip river sance all all season long. So much better

658
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: than Brady Um statistically or in terms of I mean,

659
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: it's all We're not allowed to care about quarterback victories,

660
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: so don't matter. It's all connected. He's just gonna play better.

661
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: And he was a better signing, uh, in a more

662
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: valuable signing to me than Tom Brady was in Tampa.

663
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Not that I'm like just trash and whatever Brady is

664
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: gonna do, but I think Philip Rivers has more left

665
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: in the tank and is in a great situation. Uh

666
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: maybe a better situation. Than Brady and that he's gonna

667
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: outplay him this year. All right, here's my issue with

668
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: because this is supposed to be a hill that you're

669
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: living on, and you're just on this hill alone. I've

670
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: been here and I see I see blankets everywhere, picnic baskets,

671
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: It's crowded. A lot of people think what you think

672
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: this this this could have well this is maybe it

673
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: would have been a benefit of me not going first.

674
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Then you know you've got a problem the addition of

675
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Uh, people from the hill. Yeah, the Brady

676
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: park got Brady was really what I was what I

677
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: was leading to. But to me, you know, if you're

678
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna die on that hill, it's got to be something

679
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: that's been it's been inside of you. Uh. And and

680
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: that's how it pushes forward into this season. Is that

681
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: is the he's better than Brady Philippers pushing forward inside

682
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: of Gregg. I mean, well there's that too. Who knows, Yeah,

683
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: could have another another Rivers Patrick Hill. You're willing to

684
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: live on the hill that I'm willing to live on.

685
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: It should have been pretty obvious to anybody, um that

686
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: you're watching a game and a team scores a couple

687
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: of touchdowns, and it's early on. Somebody on the broadcast

688
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: team says, well, folks, they've forgot all the momentum. And then,

689
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: of course what happens, whether it's the Kansas City Chiefs

690
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: or the Buffalo Bills or anyone, uh, the other team

691
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: comes back and leaves you wondering what the hell was

692
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: the point of this quote unquote momentum, This all seeing,

693
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: all knowing force that surrounds us and penetrates us and

694
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: binds football together. Um momentum does not exist. It is

695
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: a figment of our imagination. If you want to call

696
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: it good vibes, call it good vibes. But there is

697
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: no force that gives you a boost. It just doesn't happen.

698
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: You want points, You would like to put points on

699
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: the scoreboard. This metaphysical will to win, blah blah blah, platitude, shmatitude.

700
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: It just it's fake. It's fake. We're human beings. Uh

701
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: we we we live to see patterns um as my

702
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: child storms in the garage. But it's it's a survival thing.

703
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: We want to try to make everything makes sense. Everything

704
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: isn't always gonna make sense. It's just it's not real.

705
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: It's it's made up. Stop it. Patrick. One question when

706
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: when this score was twenty three, Hey, and I was

707
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: writing my article about the Falcon the Patriots defense letting

708
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: the team down and with every passing moment sitting in

709
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: that stadium. Now, I'm not for against your theory necessarily,

710
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: but you could feel, because we were sitting on the

711
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: Falcon side of the field with their fans, that contingent

712
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: starting to slowly grow more silent by the minute. Um.

713
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: But on the field, the Patriots, their body language, their

714
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: energy was shifting and changing and suddenly coming into full bloom.

715
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Was the most apocalyptic loss by any team in the

716
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ever. Uh. And I don't know if it

717
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: just happened, because you know, the xs and os matched up,

718
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: and I mean, it did feel to me that at

719
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: some point teams are broken. And when they went into overtime,

720
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: I would have bet um all my possessions, which are

721
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: not much, that the Falcons were not winning that game.

722
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's momentum or if it's

723
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: just I'm feeling something. What say you example? Before Patrick

724
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: responds to follow up example, it's been to this past

725
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: playoff season where the Tennessee Titans and nine and seven

726
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: outfit that nobody despite you know, mega games made in

727
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: the post Hannehill world. All right, maybe they can go

728
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: up to New England and win, and in fact they

729
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: did and that was nice. But guess what that momentum

730
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: momentum maybe is the wrong word, and yeah, when we're

731
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna welcome to the hill, dn uh. Confidence. Confidence is

732
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: a thing teams, players, teams, anything in your life. Confidence

733
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: can help drive you forward and for the instant, For

734
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: the example of the Titans, the confidence gained beating the

735
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: Patriots New England, that confidence slash, momentum, whatever you wanna

736
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: call it, I believe absolutely played in a role in

737
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: them going to Baltimore the next week and doing what

738
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: they did to the Ravens. What say you? I think

739
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: the Titans were a good football team and they made

740
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: place and they won the game based on the plays

741
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: that they made. Uh. I think that's what happened there

742
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: and market with the Super Bowl. Um, if momentum was real,

743
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: then why didn't the Falcons win the Super Bowl? Well,

744
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: I because here's one thing I do, come back, Here's

745
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: one one thing I totally agree with you on. When

746
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: I see a team and like end the first quarter,

747
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: it's seventeen nothing, You're like, whoa, there's way to the

748
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: Momentum doesn't mean once you've captured it earlier in the

749
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: game that you roll with it. I think it shifts

750
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: like an ocean and the Patriots caught a wave that

751
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: took him to shore. That's what I'd say. What momentum

752
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: is depends on what the result is, and we can

753
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: apply it after the fact. So so it always exists

754
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: and it explains every win and every single loss. So

755
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: claib claibon. This is the second podcast he's he's really

756
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: been going on about this lately. He was ready, Yeah,

757
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was on the Saints Twitter podcast.

758
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: People should check it out. That boy Wolf. It was

759
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: a great It was a really great episode. Um My

760
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: buddy Adam and and they talked about this and the

761
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: one only retorts the momentum I had two is well,

762
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: there is something that like feeling more and more confident

763
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: um maybe as things are going well for you, and

764
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: and that can be helpful. But to answer let's say

765
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: the Falcons thing, I guess I do still just believe

766
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: and I know it's not the world that happened, but

767
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: when you go watch that game in the final seven

768
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: or eight minutes, that all of those that there were seven, eight,

769
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: ten plays where if it had been a split second different,

770
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: or if a Falcons player had done things something a

771
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: little bit better than the game was right. That those right,

772
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: that those things just could have they could have happened.

773
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: They didn't happen, but that was up to the player

774
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: on the field, and it didn't happen. And then if

775
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: just one of those happens, then we're never talking about

776
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: momentum or anything like that. Right dance that on this hill?

777
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm actually I was. That's kind of a

778
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: little devil's advocating, But um, I was more taken back

779
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: by that. Patrick spun it too. Momentum, which is interesting

780
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: and it's a good it's a good way to make sag,

781
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: you know. Well, like because the place that jumps out

782
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: to me the most is in college football, where they're

783
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: they're always talking about it and we're always doing this

784
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: booth psychoanalysis of nineteen year olds and it's like, well,

785
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: here's what these nineteen year olds were thinking. Nineteen year

786
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: olds have no idea what they're thinking because they're nineteen.

787
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: It just that they don't know, and you don't know

788
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: whether you would you hate, you would hate the you

789
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: would hate to be a huge pro tennis fan as

790
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: I am, and listened to half that the trash analysis,

791
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: which is all about momentum and mental and never like mentioning,

792
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: and it's it's trash, all right. So let me go next,

793
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'll the conceit in my mind. In my mind

794
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: of this segment was you have to be alone on

795
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: the hill. Greg has a whole whole like subdivision of

796
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: people with him on the Philip Rivers. Is gonna be

797
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: good Hill Clay By the momentum thing, I don't know,

798
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to make sense of it,

799
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: but there's probably people that definitely agree with you and

800
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: are on that hill with you. But how about this

801
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: for a hill that I'm alone on and I'm not

802
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: afraid to live? Is that Derek Carr is gonna be

803
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: getting m v P buzz by November, if uh, if

804
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: we indeed play football. Because first of all, we you

805
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: know you down we use this as the Baker Mayfield

806
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: explanation why he's gonna be fine. I've seen it before, Okay,

807
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: we we said that with Mayfield. Well, then why can't

808
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: we say the same thing with Car that I know

809
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: it's it's been a few years in the review mirror,

810
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: but he's still you know, I think he's nine years old,

811
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: and I think what they've been building in Oakland and

812
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: now Las Vegas is an offense that ultimately can really

813
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: take a step up here in year two with Gruden.

814
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: And I speak not just the Henry Ruggs, um the

815
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Alabama star wide receiver who was the first wide out

816
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: off the board in the draft, but you kind of

817
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: look at the roster um Josh Jacobs who probably should

818
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: have won Offensive Rookie of the Year last year, Tyrelle Williams,

819
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: who is a very solid receiver, Hunter, Renfro, Greg you know,

820
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I know Greg has had his issues, but he he

821
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: really made strides as a first year player. Darren Waller

822
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: broke out as the most productive wide receiver in the

823
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: league just about last season. I think that with Gruden

824
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: year to Car, year to Mike Lennon, is he still

825
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: the guy installed as the principal back up there. I

826
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: think that was good for the head of the headset

827
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: space of Derek Carr, who seems like a guy who

828
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: could be a little bit emotional and maybe would be

829
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: negatively impacted by Cam Newton on him, Mariota there who,

830
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: Mike Mayocky, Mike lenn thank you very much. Milen still

831
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: recovering from the fire he took from a Keen Hicks

832
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: over the week that that the concept that the backup

833
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: can be too good and it makes your start or sad.

834
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: It could have been another hill that I would have died. Well.

835
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: I believe that though I think some guys are mentally

836
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: tougher than others, and um Car, I'm not gonna call

837
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: him not mentally tough, but he's somebody who reads everything

838
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: and sees everything. Um So, anyway, put it together. I

839
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: always thought the Car had a quality skill set and

840
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: I just like him in year two in this offense

841
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: with better playmakers around him, I think the Raiders are

842
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: gonna be better this year. I really think they have

843
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: a chance to contend. And I'm not saying he's anything

844
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: close to Patrick Mahomes or um Lamar Jackson or insert

845
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: QB here. I just think he's gonna put up numbers

846
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be like remember when like Jared Goff

847
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: was getting a little m v P buzz a couple

848
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: of years ago, and it wasn't really serious, but it

849
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: was like, well, you can't deny the fact that this

850
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: team is in first place and he's putting up huge numbers.

851
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I mean by m v P buzz. Yeah,

852
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: it's already happened for Derek Carr. I love when people

853
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: bring back that thes in. I think it was when

854
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, it's like Derek Carr was in the

855
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: m v periods. Yeah, like, if you weren't watching the games,

856
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't one of the five best quarterbacks in the

857
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: league of that year. Either. That's important. That's a distinction

858
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: that I'm making here that I don't want you to

859
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: think that I think he's going to be actually worthy

860
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: of an m VP selection, but he's gonna be putting

861
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: up numbers that are at a Pro Bowl level that uh,

862
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna be helping this team at people are talking

863
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: about get Marcus Mariota in there. I think there are

864
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: cars gonna be not good but very good this year, uh,

865
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Raiders, and I'm ready to live

866
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: on that. Wow, I think you're not. I think it's

867
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: fair to say that there aren't a lot of people, Um,

868
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, crowding your body while you lie out on

869
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: your you know, Matt's sunning yourself on that hill. You're

870
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people there with you. They're

871
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: all in the you know, they're all in the casino.

872
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I mean we're I don't think we're

873
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: looking at Raiders fans. Is the acid test of whether

874
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: this theory from Raiders fans are wearing masks? Greg Right,

875
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: I would like to know what Derek Carr does that

876
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: is special. Um, But but do I think he can

877
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: have a good season based on what's around him? Yes,

878
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's probably a contingent on what's around him.

879
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: I think to be in the m v P conversation,

880
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: i'd have to go look. Maybe I could pull up

881
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: the d v o A from nineteen The Raiders were

882
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: a second to last in terms of defensive d v

883
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: o A. Uh, they're gonna need to be better if

884
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the Raiders, which would mean

885
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: we were talking about Derek Carr on the defensive side.

886
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: I thought he had an okay year last year. They

887
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: couldn't stop anybody. Uh, they weren't a very super watchable

888
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: football team other than that, But I could I mean,

889
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: like you said, Uh, Mark, there's there's a few people

890
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: there like if if what Dan is saying is that

891
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: there's this Andy Dalton possibility, Uh yeah, I could see

892
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: that kind of season for for Derek. On it this way,

893
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I would not be stunned. If we're talking about um

894
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: come New Year's Day, Derek Carr, you know, four thousand

895
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: yards passing, thirty two thirty four touchdowns. Interceptions are low

896
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: because he's always been good at protecting the ball. So

897
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: let's say about you know, twelve interceptions, passer rating around

898
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: one hundred. That type of year that maybe on paper

899
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: looks better than what a football head actually believes about

900
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: him as a player. But when you're talking about the

901
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: m v p um, as Mark points out often almost

902
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: as often as he talks about COVID nineteen and tracking

903
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: that disease, is that it's narrative driven. And this idea

904
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: that the Raiders are head into the playoffs and cars

905
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: had come off as best season ever. I just see that.

906
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: I see that all is possible. That's it. That's my hill.

907
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were so conssionate about Derek. You know,

908
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: I see does it come off as passionate or just

909
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of just you're if you're you guys, I

910
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: always you have to find a hill where two other

911
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: people aren't right, Well, you have to be willing to die.

912
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to like, he gets m v P love,

913
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: but he's actually not that good and he you know,

914
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: he's he's great, but he's not mentally strong enough to

915
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: deal with like a decent quarterback. It's a little needle

916
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: here you're trying to thread. You put in a position

917
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: to die on the hill with like the strays you

918
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna have an MVP season. You know Greg ever

919
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: resurrected his QB Index, it would be Greg would have

920
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: him as number ten at the end of the season. Okay,

921
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: you know what I thought, Well, you know West might

922
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: be taking over QB index this year. There that might

923
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: be some breaking news where you we'll see the some

924
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: some sources saying that this year I sat down West

925
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: lest year. That should be something you're doing. You know,

926
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I should take some credit for that. Well,

927
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: that's that turned quickly, mark your turn. Well, I also

928
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: believe that that the narrative driven um aspect of football

929
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: is stronger than ever, and especially with these awards they

930
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: hand out. Um, but there are times when it makes

931
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: sense to give someone an award when they've done something remarkable. Um,

932
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about I am telling you right now,

933
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: you are willing to throw sandwiches this way in reverse

934
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: of me that the coach of the year. Give me

935
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: a break with Bruce arians and all. It's everyone's already

936
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: got all these awards just handed out. Is going to

937
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: be Zach Taylor of the Cincinnati Bengals. I'm living on

938
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: that hill because I'm will tell you something else that's

939
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: going on here is that the corpses over sweet Well,

940
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you know you you want me to pick something that's

941
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: that half the half of America agrees with? Or do

942
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: you want something the exercise? Well, I'm starting to believe

943
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: it more and more, and there is the paranoia. Can

944
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: I speak for one minute without Greg and Dan interjecting

945
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: fourteen times with the own I won't you offer your opinion? Now?

946
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: Dan and Gregg get it out of the way, Okay, Um,

947
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: well out of the way. It's just I have no comment.

948
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: I love this hill because previously you've kind of been

949
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: on the can anyone in America name Zach Taylor? Can

950
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: anyone tell me anything that he did? For my exploration?

951
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: The narrative is perfect because as of instead of everyone

952
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: just saying, we know that Bruce Arians is, He's won

953
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: it twice, He's gonna go twelve and four with the

954
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: with the Bucks. It's a nice story, and just give

955
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: it to Bruce Arians or give it to fill in

956
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: the blank. I'll give it to John Harbaugh. Just here

957
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: comes someone that if I had to ask any of

958
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: you to write down to the defining traits about Zach

959
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: Taylor right now, you'd be lying. If you wrote anything.

960
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: You have no idea who he is? Now what the

961
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: number one thing that helps a team that doesn't have

962
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: the best coach win coach of the year is a

963
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: worst to first or a worst to playoff scenario. They

964
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: are two and fourteen. A season ago, the team was,

965
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they made vanilla look like the most exciting

966
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: flavor at the ice cream stand if that's where they're

967
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: selling the ice cream. So now you go to and fourteen,

968
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is going to come in part of these

969
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: are there's some contingencies here? Oh this coach you had

970
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: to deal with U, you know, getting a rookie quarterback

971
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: ready during a Corona time. And now I know everyone

972
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: says we're gonna roll back into these complexes four days

973
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: from now and everyone's gonna be sweating on top of

974
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: each other. But we'll see how that plays out there.

975
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: May it may not be quite that easy. There is

976
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: a roster in the Bengals roster both sides of the

977
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: ball is serviceable to quality. Um there is if you

978
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: look at their offense and I have some issues with

979
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you could look at a team that

980
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: with seven playoff teams, Yes, the Bengals could hop scotch

981
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: a team like Cleveland that is just as a shaky

982
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: deal as we and and part of me real fear

983
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: is I think that the whole juror Joe Burrow Bengals

984
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: thing might just simply replace all the Browns hype, and

985
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: then the Browns could be a big, big mess From

986
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: a year and a year from now, the Bengals could

987
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: sneak into the playoffs. They go ten and six, eleven

988
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: and five. Zach Taylor along the way, we'll have all

989
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: these fluffy thing pieces written about him. Uh, probably by

990
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: some people we know, maybe by me who knows, and

991
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: then by the by season's end, he is the perfect

992
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: candidate to take a two and fourteen team with the

993
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: most exciting rookie quarterback that we've seen in a long time.

994
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: They go ten and six, they sneak into the playoffs,

995
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: maybe they pull one of these Rex Ryan deals where

996
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: that Jets team in two thousand and nine played the

997
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: Bengals in weeks seventeen and the Bengals team going into

998
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs that slept. That Jet team had one of

999
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: the best defenses of the decade. Though they had a tear,

1000
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: they had they had a good running game. I'm just saying,

1001
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: but a lot, a lot a lot of people were

1002
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: saying the Jets were a playoff team. Then I'm not

1003
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: really comparing them to that Jets team either. It's a

1004
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: different deal. But I'm on a hill. You asked me

1005
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: to go on a hill. I'm on a hill with

1006
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and a playoff Bengals team. I don't see

1007
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: any of you hanging around next to me. I'm concerned

1008
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: that that you're gonna die on the hill, like of starvation.

1009
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of infrastructure on this hill, and

1010
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's gonna be a lot of

1011
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: people that are like, come to fight you and then

1012
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: you could kill them and steal their rations. Um. Well,

1013
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: this has been a this has been a This has

1014
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: been a year of movements, um, of a polar shift

1015
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: of change. And the Bengals have been the most boring

1016
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: thing in professional football outside of the Detroit Lions for

1017
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: a long time. And it's all gonna change. And the narratives,

1018
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: so you're not going to even be able to handle

1019
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: the narratives by late September. You're not gonna even be

1020
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: able to handle them. I hope you're right, um, because

1021
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: that would be cool for Cincinnati, would be good at football. Again,

1022
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: my my biggest concern, and Mark, you and I both

1023
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: fans of franchises that have been historically inept, especially in

1024
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: the last couple of decades. Cincinnati is right in that group.

1025
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: So typically these organizations don't have these like Eureka moments

1026
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden they go from zero to hero.

1027
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: And for that reason, I have concerns that Cincinnati will

1028
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: be the feel good story just because a lot of

1029
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: these bad teams that aren't run well tend to stay

1030
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: that way for a reason. But you are right, and

1031
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: what you're saying about there is talent on the roster,

1032
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: and the quarterback could be special. Zach Taylor, of course,

1033
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: is we've talked on the show is a complete unknown.

1034
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor is that when a given a horrible team

1035
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 1: and no chance to win, his team won't win. That's

1036
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: what else. Yeah, and he's a very tall man. He's

1037
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: about six three. He stands out I would I thought

1038
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: he was like five eleven or something. He I like him,

1039
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I like I've talked about it, but when we did

1040
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: that coaches on Breakfast, I like the kind of you know.

1041
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: I like the way he handles himself. I think he

1042
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: I could see why how he could walk into an

1043
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: interview room and impress everyone. He does. He's not ostentatious,

1044
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: but I think he's confident in what he does. And

1045
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about the talent around Joe Bury

1046
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: is awesome. But they remind me a little bit of

1047
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: the Browns in that a terrible offensive line without really

1048
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: a plan to fix it could ruin one of the

1049
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: best skill position groups in the league. And I think

1050
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals could be that. I mean, if you look

1051
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: at their top six seven skill guys and the receivers.

1052
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: It's awesome. And Joe Mixon is playing awesome too, and

1053
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: Jioe Bernard and like, but they have a pretty bad

1054
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: offensive line that that they're just hoping they get, you know,

1055
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: a top ten pick in Joa Williams back and everything, uh,

1056
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: everything I see, like way, it's nighttime on my hill

1057
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: and in the you know, about three miles away, there's

1058
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: a little campfire burning and Greg is a little sleepy

1059
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: bag and he's taking his way up to the hill.

1060
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: He's camping out the narrative. Here's where Zach Taylor fits.

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: You're right, It's like there was no room on my hill.

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00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: It was overpopulated. Voters. Voters love the the team that

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: is not really that good but wins nine or ten

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: games and giving that coach of the year over just

1065
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: like an awesome coach. Like this is how Dick Giron

1066
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: one UH coach of the year. This is how Jim

1067
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: has Lit one coach of the year. This is how

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00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: Matt Naggy one coach of the year, Mike Smith, you

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that, there's a lot of

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00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: those types of things and then they fall right back

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: and like you could see that if they are able

1072
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: to somehow scratch out ten wins, they're gonna need the

1073
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: defense to do a lot. And you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: good thing about these hills right now, when it is quiet,

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00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: when the sun goes down and you're alone with your

1076
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: thoughts because of the COVID, you want to try to

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: look at optimists viewpoints sometimes. You know, in a decrease

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00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: in pollution, we could see those stars in the sky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we are the virus. Alright. Good conversation, nice talk everybody,

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Speaker 1: really good stuff. Um hey, Ricky, where are you at?

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Speaker 1: There's how are you? How's life? It's good? How are

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01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: you guys? Great talk today? That was nice combo. What's

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: going on right? Oh? You are Hollywood? Yeah, it's cool.

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Did you see how many people showed up to Hollywood yesterday?

1085
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: It's it's so awesome. It's we gotta keep doing it.

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01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: Stuff's happening and it's it's so great. Um yea Erica.

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01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: It's time to spin the wheel, the wheel of team,

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: as we've done every week, uh for about a month now,

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: we are picking one team to talk about on the

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: Wednesday episode of the Around the NFL podcast. Last week

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01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: we did a deep dive on the Tennessee Titans. We've

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: also talked about the Giants and the Cardinals and now Claibon,

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01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna spin the wheel once more. Where does this

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: rank in terms of like greatest moments of your broadcasting career?

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: Up there? Um? Probably like, uh, there are a few

1096
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: like Jerry Jones statements that I had to read in

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01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: their entirety uh and uh I died a little on

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: the inside. Those those are all in the top five.

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Speaker 1: This is number six. The best thing I think we

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: talked about in this podcast. But Cesler and I when

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: we were working on the edit news desk when he

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Speaker 1: had to transcribe, nobody better than transcribe than from Jaral

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: because he talks so slow and deliberately. No problem getting

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: every word of a statement from well. But to be

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01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: fair Dan, he also um, if you and I wonder

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01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: if this is if Patrick has noticed this when you

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: read Jerry Jones begins a thought and then he'll branch

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01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: off into another thought mid sentence, and then a third

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: thought and a fourth thought. Um, and never really circle

1110
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: back around to close to put a pin on any

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01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: of them. So transcribing it feels not unlike um, a

1112
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: dangerously uh potent acid trip there in the middle of

1113
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: the news room. It's a word salad vortex. All right,

1114
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: let us in the wheel, Ricky, let her rip. Whoa,

1115
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Speaker 1: there are the Las Vegas Raiders. How about that's interesting?

1116
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: So the Raiders are the next choice? Um on, are

1117
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: are the next election in our ongoing series? How about that?

1118
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 1: We gotta think about who do we want to talk

1119
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: to connected to the Raiders? That will be I'm sure

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01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: our old friend Mike Mayok would want to jump right

1121
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: on and spend minutes with us. You're Mike, He'll come on.

1122
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean if Claibon can do uh over an hour,

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, right after the birth of his daughter here,

1124
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: I know where it can't be popular in your house

1125
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: right now as we continue to to honk on here,

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: Mayok can come on? Please? Yeah, if I can shirk

1127
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: my responsibilities as a father and a husband, been working

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: at Mike Mayock jump on a podcast alright. That is

1129
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: our official ask out to you as our producers, to

1130
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: reach out the Raiders organization, to get Mayak and if

1131
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: we don't get them, we'll figure out somebody else. Patrick. Yes,

1132
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: we can't keep you any longer because you came, you

1133
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: spoke as always a man, a bastion of both insight

1134
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: and integrity, and we thank you. Hey, I just thank

1135
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Speaker 1: you guys. I know like there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that you know I have reached out to me on Twitter,

1137
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: and I know that there's a lot of people that

1138
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have reached out to me or even known I

1139
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: existed if not for you guys bringing me on this

1140
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: podcast too to ramble occasionally. And so I appreciate you

1141
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: all as well. I think you are probably you're definitely

1142
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: gotta be sixth all time and appearances on this show.

1143
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: There's the four of us, there's Colleen. I would imagine

1144
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: has to be fifth, and I think you gotta be six.

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01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: Let's do it, well, you gotta be the six. Put

1146
01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: him second because second, yeah, isn't done. Rex Ryan have

1147
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: that Mark Sanchez tattoo like of his wife and with

1148
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Speaker 1: the number six, I'm like, I could get that exact tattoo,

1149
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: and I think it would be kind of thematic about relationships.

1150
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: Do that today. You can pass Colleen too. I think

1151
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: you're gunning for He's literally trying to stand up, stop

1152
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: talking to them, and he's like, is trying to get up.

1153
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: When when Mark was was on his hill, the Lauren

1154
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: and Malcolm came in here and they opened the cat

1155
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: door and the cat came in the garage when the

1156
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Speaker 1: gross doors open and I don't want the cats you

1157
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: have they have one one two cats are two cats,

1158
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: and take it off. He's got to get out of here.

1159
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: But but yeah, like we're having a stair off right now.

1160
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: out of here. So we don't want too, so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna let you go right now. Thank you again. Great

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Speaker 1: great to hear from you. This is Dan hands As

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Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm, the mail Man, Patch and

1165
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: Clavon and the Great Ricky Hollywood from West Hollywood until wend.

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Speaker 1: They