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Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring

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Speaker 2: Reform Sports Podcast. My guest today is Lillian Martineau, high

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Speaker 2: I haven't figured out yet if she's a Red Sox

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me for sure.

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Speaker 2: And your story's amazing. I love it. You just committed

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Speaker 1: No, it's I'll be honest, like very expensive to keep

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Speaker 1: For trying to play at that level freshman year going in.

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Speaker 2: So this is your senior year, about to start your

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Speaker 2: But what's it look like as you prepare for Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: Are there skills specific things you're going to work on?

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Speaker 1: For Lilian, it's really just as much live reps as

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Speaker 3: So we did like the pocket radar looking it up.

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Speaker 3: So it's just a lot of live reps.

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Speaker 1: Some days I definitely work more on mechanics, work on

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Speaker 2: But it's always busy. Is there training that's going in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely am a gym funattic. I absolutely love

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Speaker 3: I typically put an off dame between there.

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Speaker 1: From a lifting standpoint, but that's definitely key to success

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Speaker 1: The gym has definitely helped with like my exit be

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Speaker 2: Well, you're going to have a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, going back to what I said earlier about

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Speaker 1: And while you're doing that, it's obviously hard. A lot

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Speaker 2: Lilian, I freaking love it. I wish you nothing but

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Speaker 2: continued success. I appreciate you hopping on while you're down

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Speaker 2: you for taking the time to look forward to continuing

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Speaker 2: to file Where can people follow you? I know you're

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Speaker 2: on Twitter X what are your handles? Where can they

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: So Twitter is Lily underscore Martino or Lilian underscore Martino,

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Speaker 1: just my name and same with Instagram, Lilian underscore Martino.

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Speaker 2: Will go follow her. She's putting out tremendous stuff and

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Speaker 2: very very informative and she shows you a lot of

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Speaker 2: her training and I love it. I love where you're going,

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Speaker 2: and I love your maturity. I wish you nothing but success.

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Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for hopping on and share it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much, honestly, thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's Lilian Martineau high school baseball and softball player and

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