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Speaker 1: there's kind of only one topic today, right, there's only

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Speaker 1: who Well, we played a night against IU Indy and

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Speaker 1: to compete in against the school that runs the system

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Speaker 1: where they press and it's crazy. But that's not the

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Speaker 1: story of the day. The story day is Sharon Moore,

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Speaker 1: who was who I mean, that's a day right that

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Speaker 1: where he was fired yesterday with credible evidence of him

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Speaker 1: being engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

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Speaker 1: He was booked in custody. Hey, last night, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Pittsfield Police Department responded to a call at four to

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Speaker 1: He was taken into custody. The incident does not appear

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Speaker 1: to be random in nature. It appears to be an

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Speaker 1: the community. Right, So I'm just I'm gonna be different

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Speaker 1: than these sanctimonious people that are out there. Cheron Moore

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Speaker 1: had a series of really really bad decisions, really bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: And when you're a coach. I've heard David Blatt say this.

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Speaker 1: David Blatt remember when he was the head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers. He liken being a head coach in

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Speaker 1: the NBA to being a fighter fighter pilot and that

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Speaker 1: you have to make thousands of split second decisions. Now

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Speaker 1: this is not necessarily They weren't split second decisions, right.

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Speaker 1: It's not just that he was having an affair. It's

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Speaker 1: not just that he was having affair with somebody who

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Speaker 1: that went into all, you know, the whole thing hiring her.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it the fair preceded hiring her

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Speaker 1: you got to make it. Hey we're going for two.

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Speaker 1: You're not going for two. What are we doing with blitzing?

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Speaker 1: Well we're doing it. You know, you've got to make

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Speaker 1: split second decisions, but they have to be based upon

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Speaker 1: your level of preparation. But I I one side dumb, okay, dumb.

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Speaker 1: And there is a gigantic push in especially state institutions

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Speaker 1: optics and it also gives you a different perspective. It's

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Speaker 1: without risk. And look, there can be some risk because

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Speaker 1: sometimes an office romance when two people are both single,

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Speaker 1: This is not because he's married and she works. Sorry

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Speaker 1: But I would have to tell you, man, every not

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Speaker 1: who am I to cast stones when I'm a starting

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Speaker 1: point guard Notre dame. You know, I didn't come from

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Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine being Sharon More today. And dude,

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. Strength coach people that have nothing

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Speaker 1: going man Oh, I got some empathy for that guy.

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Speaker 1: I just do because he lost everything yesterday. Now do

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Speaker 1: people say it's over and never be blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: By Petrino obviously is the guy who can go Hey,

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Speaker 1: by Patrino, same exact thing, only more spectacular way of

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Speaker 1: Bobby Patrino was the interim coach at Arkansas a second

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Speaker 1: So it it does. It feels at this moment he

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Speaker 1: of dudes that do a lot of bad stuff because

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Speaker 1: worse than losing your job, moving your family. There's lots

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Speaker 1: of things that got do that are dumb. We are

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Speaker 1: I would never bowl that. I guarantee you know. We

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Speaker 1: that button, that napalm, butmant button, I'm not hitting it.

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Speaker 1: And for all of those people, I commend you. I

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Speaker 3: Hell.

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Speaker 1: Last week I I use my Jedi strength to push

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Speaker 1: clipped on camera. Nobody's around. I got made to be

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Speaker 1: Bob freakin' Knight. By the way, if I can win

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Speaker 1: be a good run. Point is that I understand guys

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Speaker 1: you work for the University of Michigan and dude, don't

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Speaker 1: and have friends that go like, hey man, I know

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Speaker 1: that you're I've seen how you guys look at each other, like, dude,

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Speaker 1: could go through the there's only three undefeated teams, right,

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Speaker 1: If you don't ask a friend, they'll tell you. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's okay in any way. I realize that

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Speaker 1: it affects everybody else. You just natepalmed the winningest college

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Speaker 1: But he's not the first and won't be the last.

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Speaker 4: things can all be true. It's possible that, yes, Michigan

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Speaker 4: personal life completely upended. We have a school with a

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Speaker 4: They are a whole host of things that have transpired

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Speaker 1: I actually I believe that sharroanmore feels like he had

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Speaker 5: What are all these reasons? And all of these things

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Speaker 1: you pass it up the chain of command? If you

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Speaker 1: didn't tell you're superior, then you're gonna get fired today.

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Speaker 1: And if your superior got this information and didn't pass

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Speaker 1: it up to their superior, they're gonna get fired today.

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Speaker 1: That's how That's how these things work, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I started the show going. I actually understand all these

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Speaker 1: people are going to be gone. Everybody right, And it's

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Speaker 1: crazy because, as you and I know, Michigan's basketball team

435
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Speaker 1: is unbelievable. They're being they're smacking everybody by forty. Nobody

436
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Speaker 1: cares right now. All they care about is football, and

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Speaker 1: this is a massive stain on an incredible university. But

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Speaker 1: yet you're listen, we're all right to speculate. My issue

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Speaker 1: on the or my thought on the talk of being

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Speaker 1: a fan is I do think that our fandom gets

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Speaker 1: in the that's where the well, you know, they were

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Speaker 1: able to get away with violations with the Connor Stallions thing,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, I just don't see a correlation

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Speaker 1: at all. I just don't. I know.

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Speaker 5: Do you agree that Michigan was not forthcoming with the

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Speaker 5: NCAA throughout the investigation.

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Speaker 1: I do, but I have no I also hold on, hold,

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Speaker 1: let me finish my finish. But again that comes from

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State basketball. Totally forthcoming, got penalized anyway, and everybody

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Speaker 1: tells you, like, you know, it used to be following

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Speaker 1: the sword. Tell them everything and you'll get you know,

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Speaker 1: and they'll lessen the punishment, and that doesn't happen. So

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Speaker 1: nowybody's like, don't say nothing, but nobody about nothing. Period's

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Speaker 1: top again and I but again, I just don't think.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong and I could be naive on

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Speaker 1: this one, but I don't think because you because I

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Speaker 1: don't think they got away with anything with the Connor

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Speaker 1: Stallions thing. I just don't. I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it was a massive deal. We all do things

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Speaker 1: in scouting and trying to know somebody's play casts.

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Speaker 5: That's not the point we're starting to move away. The

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Speaker 5: point is is if Michigan did cover up or was

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Speaker 5: not forthcoming to the NC Double A, then why would

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Speaker 5: we expect them to be forthcoming about their head football

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Speaker 5: coach in the middle of a football season that you

466
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Speaker 5: just said five minutes ago that they didn't want to

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Speaker 5: tank the season because they had a four million dollar quarterback.

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Speaker 5: However much Bryce Underwood was making, they only had a

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Speaker 5: loss to Oklahoma on their schedule. There were still bigger

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Speaker 5: fish to fry. And that's the question about what about

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Speaker 5: the timing of all of this, like the Sharon More stuff,

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Speaker 5: is I think it's blatantly obvious if you're having an

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Speaker 5: affair with your staff, or whether you're married or not,

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Speaker 5: whether we have kids or not, can't happen. You're one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent correct. But how much did Michigan know? Because

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Speaker 5: that's the point of everything that happened in the Harbaugh

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Speaker 5: era and the counter stallions thing, and even before that,

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Speaker 5: what did Michigan know and did they cooperate? Did they

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Speaker 5: think they could get away with it again? And then

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Speaker 5: when it was convenient for them to get of a

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Speaker 5: head coach that Boosters and other people were souring on,

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Speaker 5: they then acted on the opportunity. That's what every Ohio

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Speaker 5: State fan, Michigan State fan, every college football fan, every

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Speaker 5: sports fan wants to know and probably has a right

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Speaker 5: to know, whether they're a fan of those teams or not.

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Speaker 5: And that's what we don't know right now. And that's

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Speaker 5: why I think this is such a huge story, and

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Speaker 5: as big as it.

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Speaker 1: Is, when do they know, who do they tell, what

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Speaker 1: do they do about it? It's it's where the cover

491
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Speaker 1: up becomes bigger than the crime. I get it. I'm

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Speaker 1: still dealing with the crime, and I think the allegations

493
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Speaker 1: of a cover up we'll see. My guess is again,

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Speaker 1: this is a guess I don't know, I have zero facts.

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Speaker 1: I've had zero time to call people and dig in.

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Speaker 3: I just have.

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Speaker 1: My personal guess is they probably did find out about

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Speaker 1: it sometime in the middle of the season, and they

499
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Speaker 1: probably went to the lawyers and like, hey, what do

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Speaker 1: we do, Like you got to have a complete investigation

501
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Speaker 1: and it and I'm sure they probably said, like, let's

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Speaker 1: have it for after the gay after the season is done.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know if there's a

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Speaker 1: university policy that has a uniformity with the timeline of

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Speaker 1: investigation forty five thirty days, forty five days, sixty days,

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Speaker 1: six months, I don't know, but I do believe that

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Speaker 1: if there was an investigation, which there was, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: what we were told, right, if there was an investigation,

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Speaker 1: all of these things Again, part of it, part of

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Speaker 1: the good thing in your desire to get answers, is

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Speaker 1: you will because it's at a state institution, it's at

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Speaker 1: a state institution, it was a private school, then go

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Speaker 1: none of your business, none of your business. And it

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Speaker 1: is It's also interesting that you know, Pat Fitzgerald just

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Speaker 1: got a job at Michigan State, right he was he

516
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Speaker 1: was fired because of allegations of mistreatment of players. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they did an investigation. We didn't find out about any

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Speaker 1: of those findings to it till he took him to

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Speaker 1: court and then he you know, there was there were

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Speaker 1: stories about it, but he took him to court and

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Speaker 1: was exonerated and I was back as head coaching in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. I don't think Sharon Moore is going

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Speaker 1: to be exonerated, but I do think we'll find out

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Speaker 1: all of those details that you want to know. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can cover it up when there's a

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Speaker 1: university led investigation in the state institution, especially one like Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's an educated guess, but again I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that's clear. It's a guess you will have.

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Speaker 1: You will know when they knew, and you will will

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Speaker 1: probably have to assume some things, but you will know

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Speaker 1: who knew and what they did about it, and if

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Speaker 1: they didn't do enough, or if they didn't pass up

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Speaker 1: a chain of command, or they didn't alert others to it,

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Speaker 1: or if they made it so, hey, let's make the investment.

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Speaker 1: If there's an email that says, hey, let's make sure

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Speaker 1: this investigation comes to a conclusion after football sceness that

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Speaker 1: is over, that person will be fired. That includes ward manual,

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Speaker 1: that includes the president of the university, that includes anybody.

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Speaker 1: That's that's how it works. They all lose their jobs

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Speaker 1: if they didn't do the job properly.

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Speaker 1: This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan Byer happily married man,

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Speaker 1: Jason Stewart happily Are you engaged? Jayce dou I'm just

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Speaker 6: I'm not officially engaged. My son is yep.

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Speaker 1: Okay, uh, Sammy, I don't know your relationships now. I

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Speaker 1: have a girlfriend, Okay, I have a girlfriend. I am

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Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend. I am, but I'm also divorced.

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Speaker 1: So again, we all come out from different perspectives, different perspectives.

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Speaker 1: My perspective look coaching a college team, I mean obviously,

561
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Speaker 1: like there's a million decisions you can make, and I

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Speaker 1: have no doubt that he had the sense people are

563
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Speaker 1: out to get him, and you feel like everybody's looking

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Speaker 1: what you do when you just have to kind of focus,

565
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Speaker 1: calm the noise, coach the team get better. But dude, like,

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Speaker 1: what do we do? What are you doing here? It's

567
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Speaker 1: just dumb. But again, I woke up today thinking, God,

568
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for that card. I feel bad for

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Speaker 1: everybody involved. Right, the young woman, she made a terrible decision.

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Speaker 1: She ruined a family. Whether the family stays together, because

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Speaker 1: you can sometimes mend these things, I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be a human being here, not

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Speaker 1: be you know your classic sports and but you know

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Speaker 1: sports sports, yacker, and do what everybody else does, which

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Speaker 1: is take a pound of flesh. Why you don't have

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Speaker 1: to take a pound of flesh. Dude, it's already done.

577
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Speaker 1: Guardy lost his job. I canna lose his marriage. I

578
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Speaker 1: cost all of his best friends. You only hire people

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Speaker 1: that you respect, like frankly love. Those are the people

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Speaker 1: that you you got to go to war with when

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Speaker 1: you're going to be a college coach because it's really

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Speaker 1: really hard cost all those people's job. So I actually

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Speaker 1: woke up with empathy sympathy as well. Dann Bayer, your.

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Speaker 5: Thoughts If on a scale one to ten, you had

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Speaker 5: a ten for empathy for Sharon Moore, I have a

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Speaker 5: negative a million. I just I don't have I don't

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Speaker 5: have any empathy at least not now that may change,

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Speaker 5: but just know, empathy whatsoever for Sharon Moore at this time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, any other thoughts that you have that you want

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Speaker 1: to share on the actual situation.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, I just I just I don't

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Speaker 5: like there's it's a separate situation when we look at

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Speaker 5: what happened. So Sharon Moore ends up having this this breakdown.

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Speaker 5: It feels like from the reports that we've heard after

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Speaker 5: he found out that he was being fired, was that

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Speaker 5: this was going down, and so it's I think we

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Speaker 5: have to separate the two in how we like look

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Speaker 5: at the situation. But now the more that we're hearing

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Speaker 5: about possibly people knowing about this four months for this

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Speaker 5: investigation to go on and wrap up at this time.

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Speaker 5: I think that there are so many questions about Michigan,

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Speaker 5: Michigan's role, why it happened when it did, and I

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Speaker 5: think that those are the questions that I'm curious about.

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Speaker 5: I know that there apparently was another woman involved in

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Speaker 5: some affair. I still put the onus on more shoulders.

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Speaker 5: He had so much to lose, as you've pointed out,

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Speaker 5: Apparently she now may have been the alleged victim where

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Speaker 5: he was arrested or I shouldn't say detained, I should

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Speaker 5: say so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just think that there's like this is just an

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Speaker 5: ugly situation. But I also think that Michigan is to

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Speaker 5: blame with part of it. Prior to this outburst because

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Speaker 5: of what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. And Sharon

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Speaker 5: Moore got away with a lot of stuff at Michigan,

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Speaker 5: so he probably thought he could get away with this,

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Speaker 5: and then when he didn't, when they decided to put

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Speaker 5: their foot down for whatever reason they felt that they

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Speaker 5: needed to, whether it be alumni wanted to get rid

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Speaker 5: of them, whether it be they didn't he couldn't beat

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Speaker 5: Ohio State two weeks ago, whatever the reason, is Michigan

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Speaker 5: isn't innocent in all of this, and so I think

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Speaker 5: those are the that's the point that I look at

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Speaker 5: whether I feel awful for his family, I feel awful

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Speaker 5: for his kids. It's going to stink for the people

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Speaker 5: that didn't know what was going on. But within the

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Speaker 5: Michigan football program, there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 5: knew what was going on with a lot of different things,

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Speaker 5: and they never did anything about it until now when

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Speaker 5: it was convenient. And now look at where you are

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Speaker 5: case two.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not even sure where to start, but

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Speaker 6: just in general, my blanket opinion on this, and I've

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Speaker 6: got George right here, that life comes down to a

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Speaker 6: series of choices. We all have the agency to make

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Speaker 6: decisions and choose things. If you're saying that the program

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Speaker 6: had it end for him, as Adam Schefter said, or

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Speaker 6: if you're saying that you have a lot of empathy

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Speaker 6: for the guy you are, you seem to be taken

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Speaker 6: away from his responsibility and the choices that he made.

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Speaker 6: And at this juncture, twenty four hours after the news broke,

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Speaker 6: I'm not willing to give him that latitude. This all

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Speaker 6: seems to go back to a decision or a series

644
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Speaker 6: of decisions that he made. It's all his fault.

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Speaker 1: Oh they listen, I'm not abssolving him. Done to him.

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Speaker 1: I'm not absolving him. I'm not saying anything's done to him.

647
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Speaker 1: He did this himself, zero question about it. Did it himself. Okay,

648
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Speaker 1: that's the worst part about it. It's the it's the plexico.

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Speaker 1: Buris right. It's one thing to get shot in a club.

650
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Speaker 1: It's another thing to shoot yourself in the club and

651
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Speaker 1: then go to jail for shooting yourself. You're like, oh,

652
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Speaker 1: my right, And that's the worst part. My point is men, generally,

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Speaker 1: it's a general statement, but it is proven based upon

654
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Speaker 1: every statistical analysis ever ever, ever, make more dumb decisions

655
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Speaker 1: than women. Do They just do? Like, that's why our

656
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Speaker 1: insurance rates are higher. Duh, because we make bad decisions

657
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Speaker 1: when we're driving. And more men are incarcerated than women incarcerated.

658
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Speaker 1: Why because we make more bad decisions than women. And

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Speaker 1: I just again, I'm not absolving it from I get it. Dude,

660
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Speaker 1: Like bro lost everything and cost his best friends their job,

661
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Speaker 1: and he was the head coach at the winningest college

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Speaker 1: football program of all time. That's all gone and I'm

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Speaker 1: not blaming anybody else. I'm saying I understand the propensity

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Speaker 1: to make bad decisions or make a bad decision that

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Speaker 1: can cost you, and then when you wake up the

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Speaker 1: next morning, it's and then and then I actually understand

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Speaker 1: uniquely the weight of media social media from my position.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I'm saying last week, I pushed it. I

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Speaker 1: got mad, pushed the stool by the way, because we

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Speaker 1: lost the game. I lost my cool. Wasn't smart, not

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Speaker 1: the end of the world. There's nobody around. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody saw. I wasn't happy with myself. I just

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Speaker 1: I was just so and I had kept my cool,

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Speaker 1: shook hands with Andy Toole and the entire staff and

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Speaker 1: every player on the Robin Morris team, and there was

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Speaker 1: nothing that I got the arah, and I just felt

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Speaker 1: the weight of the world because everybody made this gigantic

678
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Speaker 1: deal like I'm Bob Knight throwing a chair out in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a crowd. So I understand that uniquely.

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Speaker 1: I understand bad decisions that lead to all the ramifications downstream.

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Speaker 1: As you said, Jason, but I mean there is a

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Speaker 1: point of it where you look around and go like damn,

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Speaker 1: feel bad for that dude. George Reister joins us now

684
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Speaker 1: on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

685
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Speaker 1: He played college ball at Oregon. Of course, he's a

686
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Speaker 1: former NFL tight end. And if you haven't checked out

687
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Speaker 1: The Unafraid Show with George Reister, you should. It's podcast

688
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: you can download from our iHeart Podcast network. George, what

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Speaker 1: was your immediate reaction when you heard the story We

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Speaker 1: heard the news break yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was kind of twofold because the first thing

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Speaker 3: that I heard was that he was getting fired, and

693
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, they got sick of him.

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Speaker 3: And then I thought why about two minutes later and

695
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, well that will get you fired.

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Speaker 3: It was just and then I started Then my emotions

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Speaker 3: started ranging because it was it's sad, dude. It's sad

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Speaker 3: for his family. It's sad for all the kids that

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Speaker 3: committed to play for him. It's sad for the recruits,

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Speaker 3: for the the fan base, the disappointment, it's like there

701
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Speaker 3: there there are no winners here, and and he and

702
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Speaker 3: he made some very poor choices, and yes, he's the

703
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Speaker 3: only one to blame. But but at the same time,

704
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Speaker 3: as a person, you know who is who is imperfect,

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Speaker 3: I think, and none of us are. I think it's

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Speaker 3: easy to, you know, judge and say, how could you

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Speaker 3: make that colossal of a decision when the reality of

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Speaker 3: life is is that when you make bad choices, sometimes

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Speaker 3: the consequences are severe.

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Speaker 1: They are It is interesting like read the holiday season

711
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Speaker 1: and everyone talks about Jesus and you're like, well, you

712
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Speaker 1: know Jesus was forgiving and understanding. You know, it was like,

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Speaker 1: but but people can be so cruel when again, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that he deserves to keep his job. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that he shouldn't feel the weight of what's happened.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying he already does. You like the old Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go off the top rope and a dude is

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Speaker 1: clearly down for the count? Uh? Is the is the

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Speaker 1: piloting on and people taking great joy in it because

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Speaker 1: of their collegial ties, Like, dude, if you want to

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Speaker 1: do dig in Ohio State's got plenty of creepos that

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Speaker 1: that were that have been coaches there. Okay, one was

723
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Speaker 1: caught on on camera when he was the head coach

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You go to Michigan State, you can

725
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Speaker 1: go to all of them, all the Big ten, how

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Speaker 1: you go to school by school by school, they all

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Speaker 1: got an issue. Okay, let's let's let's not do it.

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Speaker 1: We can do the whole radio show and I could

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Speaker 1: go through each one each and everyone. Yes, Dan Byron,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Ohio State. They don't employ angels that

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Speaker 1: have worked or played in Ohio State. Don't act like

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Speaker 1: they do.

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Speaker 3: But okay, but but I think that people. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's easy to get your jokes off, but when you

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Speaker 3: look at this could have turned dead. Leave for himself

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Speaker 3: or for the young lady involved in it too. That's

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Speaker 3: the that's when you realize, oh, oh hold on, let's

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Speaker 3: let's stop. Let's stop with these jokes, jokes and playing around.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we got to talk about the sports aspect

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Speaker 1: of it. What do you do to hires? Who do

741
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Speaker 1: you hire?

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Speaker 3: Oh? See here here, here's what a tough part is,

743
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Speaker 3: because they have to hire somebody quickly, because because because

744
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Speaker 3: because you can.

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Speaker 1: Lose your team, every kid that signed there is going

746
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Speaker 1: to be gone to because they can all get in

747
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Speaker 1: the portal. They can all get the portal anyway. So

748
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Speaker 1: but but yeah, you got to you gotta get ahead

749
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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 3: I'm probably trying. And I know that Michigan fans they

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Speaker 3: they want to win the press conference. They they want

752
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Speaker 3: to have a Matt Campbell moment, but unfortunately Matt Campbell

753
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Speaker 3: is not available now. And you've had Clark Lee uh

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Speaker 3: over there at Vanderbilt, Jeff Brahm at Louisville, h Brent

755
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Speaker 3: Key at Georgia Tech. All of these guys have announced

756
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Speaker 3: extensions to Kalani Tataki, Brett Rhtt lastly down at SMU.

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Speaker 3: So you're going to be at a point where maybe

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Speaker 3: you can poach a Jed Fish from from Washington or

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Speaker 3: May who's coached there previously, or maybe you can get

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Speaker 3: a guy like Kate Caitlin de boor if he's willing

761
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Speaker 3: to leave at Alabama, because they're not just going to

762
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Speaker 3: be trying to find a good head coach. Michigan wants

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Speaker 3: to win the press conference.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, they got it. Whoever it is gotta be

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Speaker 1: squeaky clean, right, You can't come in after after Harbaugh.

766
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh gets a show cause and Sharon Moore gets fired

767
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Speaker 1: two years later, and you got you gotta go squeaky clean.

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Speaker 3: Everybody gotta go like like if you were any way

769
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Speaker 3: tied to this, tied to the Connor Sallions thing or

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Speaker 3: or or anything. You gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Asap h I mean de boor to Michigan. And people

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Speaker 1: are like Lane Kifvin will then go to Alabama, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't, I don't. I don't see that one.

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Speaker 1: That would be, that would be that'll be an all timers,

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Speaker 1: an all time Kiffin move. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: Kiffin at L s U.

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Speaker 3: I first of first of all, I think that LSU

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Speaker 3: hired the wrong guy. They they they should have gone

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Speaker 3: an hour and a half, hired John somemerall who's sitting

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Speaker 3: in Baton ro or who's yeah, who's who's that? Tu

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Speaker 3: Lane in New Orleans an hour and a half away.

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Speaker 3: He knows what at Tuffe is, He knows the difference

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Speaker 3: between Gumbo and Jambalaya, he knows how to relate to

784
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Speaker 3: those kids, and so he could have done well and

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Speaker 3: recruited there. But you got ls L s U. They

786
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Speaker 3: wanted that Lane Kiffin so bad because they wanted be

787
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Speaker 3: a name. And the reality is, yes, Lane Kiffin has

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Speaker 3: been a good head coach, and he's been good for

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Speaker 3: a while, but he's only won one conference championship in

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Speaker 3: in his history, and that was at at FAU and

791
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Speaker 3: he blows up everything every where where he goes. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that if you're at LSU, I don't

793
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Speaker 3: know why you chase down somebody this hard, like like

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Speaker 3: he's Nick Saban or you know, or Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, your biggest issue with the College Fotball Playoff committee.

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Speaker 3: Is what, oh what they what they did with Notre Dame.

797
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Speaker 3: But but not the fact that they left Notre Dame out,

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Speaker 3: It's more how they did it. So how the hell

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Speaker 3: are you going to have Notre Dame in front of

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Speaker 3: Miami for the on the Tuesday prior to the final

801
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Speaker 3: rankings and the Tuesday prior when they were in the

802
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Speaker 3: same spot, and not move them and switched them. The

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Speaker 3: problem is is that you as you set a precedent

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Speaker 3: by not switching them on the Tuesday prior or the

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Speaker 3: or the Tuesday prior to that, and then you switched

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Speaker 3: them at the last minute after Alabama gets their doors

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Speaker 3: knocked knocked off, when in reality Notre Dame and Miami

808
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Speaker 3: both should have been in the playoffs. I would have

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Speaker 3: punted the one hundred and third rushing offense in the

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Speaker 3: country in Alabama to the to the sun out of

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Speaker 3: sent them over to the Pop Start Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't punted in Alabama, but hey, that's that you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're allowed to. They had good wins, man better

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Speaker 1: wins than those other ones. But it's it's gonna be fascinating, George,

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Speaker 1: great stuff. I encourage people to check out download this podcast,

816
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: The Unafraid Show with George Reischer. This's podcast Nightheartmedia. Of

817
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: course you can hear on weekends here on Fox Sports Radio. George,

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 3: Ye are they.

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Speaker 1: We'll just say manure okay, We'll say manure okay, because

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Speaker 1: manure is usually made by one cattle, and we'll say

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Speaker 1: this is bull manure. Right. You know what I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm the the the word that I'm expressing here. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you've heard this and I think you've talked about

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Speaker 1: it a little bit. Dan, there you go. I saw

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Speaker 1: this from Dan Wolken of Yahoo Sports, and I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that Dan's report is wrong. What I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is here, let me let me show you uh from

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Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports. After learning of Notre Dame's memorandum of understanding

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Speaker 1: that grants the Irish preferential playoff access starting next year.

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Speaker 1: Athletic directors and other leagues are threatening to freeze Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame out of future schedules, per Dan Wolken, threatening the

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Speaker 1: number one job of athletic directors is what damnire? Why

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Speaker 1: don't you just answer it, Doug, just tell us raise money?

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Speaker 1: There it is, raise money. So Notre Dame calls and uh,

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Speaker 1: let's pick a university in who's supposedly threatening to not

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Speaker 1: play them, right, USC, Let's do the USC thing like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is the reason USC doesn't want to play them.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to fill your stadium? Do you want

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Speaker 1: to fill your hotel rooms? Do you want to be

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Speaker 1: on national TV and have one of the highest rated

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Speaker 1: games of the year. You don't? Okay, well you no

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Speaker 1: one plays. I call manure bowl manure. The idea, the

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Speaker 1: threatening to is just such a gray area. It's such

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Speaker 1: a gray area. If you're gonna if Notre Dame wants

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Speaker 1: to play you, if it works for your coaches to

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Speaker 1: have your coach is like, yeah, we'll play them. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it because you can make a crap ton

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Speaker 1: of money and you're gonna be on national TV. If

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna do it, they'll find somebody who will.

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Speaker 1: That's the reality of it. It just it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: now now that they have a signed memorandum of understanding,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be in the College Wall Playoff if

854
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: they finished in the top twelve. Nothing of your decision

855
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: is gonna change that. You're unhappy with it, that's on you.

856
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Your job as an ad again. Now, part of it

857
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: is if schools don't want to play Notre Dame, it's

858
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: because they don't want to go through what Texas did.

859
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: Why would it that game when it doesn't help me?

860
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: It only hurts me if I lose it, I'll play

861
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Indiana schedule, don't play anybody. Win enough conference games, get

862
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: to the com That's what's gonna happen. That's what the

863
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: committee did. That's committee told everybody to do. They told

864
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: all those SEC teams stop, stop playing good teams, stop

865
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: it big ten two, and all these coaches sitting there

866
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: going like the only way to keep your job, keep

867
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: making money, is to get to the College Wall Playoff?

868
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: Am I more or less likely to make the College

869
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: Wall Playoff if I play one of the elite teams,

870
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: and the answer is less right less. You have a

871
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: less than fifty percent chance of winning on the road

872
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: and even at home. Man, you gotta be really good

873
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: and if you win, it great. I call manure.