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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I am joined by big game hunter, outdoor

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Speaker 2: adventure and filmmaker Donnie Vincent to discuss his personal journey

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Speaker 2: to embrace an old school approach to hunting and what

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Speaker 2: the rest of us might be able to learn and

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Speaker 2: enjoy by embracing something similar. All right, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you by First

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Speaker 2: Light and their Camo for Conservation Initiative. Today we are

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Speaker 2: going old school, and we're doing that in a couple

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Speaker 2: different ways. And one I've got a guest today who

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Speaker 2: I haven't had in the show in a number of years.

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Speaker 2: Big mistake on my part. But back in I don't know,

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Speaker 2: probably like twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, somewhere in that window

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Speaker 2: which feels kind of like yesterday, but it's actually ten

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Speaker 2: years ago now. Donnie was on the show in the

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Speaker 2: past talking about some of his previous work, stuff like

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Speaker 2: his films like The Rivers Divide, I think another one

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Speaker 2: called Who We Are. He's been a tremendous filmmaker in

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Speaker 2: the hunting and outdoor world. He has a wildlife biology background.

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Speaker 2: He has traveled the world, been to some of the

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Speaker 2: wildest places, has done some of the most wild, fantastic

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Speaker 2: But he's also a terrific storyteller and I think a

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Speaker 2: myself included at times, have leaned into all the time technology,

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Speaker 2: all of the tools, all the latest greatest trends within

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Speaker 2: quote unquote old school with his approach to hunting and

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Speaker 2: goes on. And all this came to mind to me

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Speaker 2: film he released. This film on the Donny Vincent YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel is all about kind of an old school deer

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Speaker 2: And many of you folks might have you know, heard

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Speaker 2: bring adventure back into our hunting seasons. I think that

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Speaker 2: today's conversation is going to echo some of that and

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Speaker 2: kind of harken back to some of these themes ways

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Speaker 2: I've felt the need personally to re explore some of

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only one who's feeling that a little

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Speaker 2: bit of our modern hunting culture and technology and obsession

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Speaker 2: it's changing the hunting experience in a way that I

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Speaker 2: I'm still personally figuring it out for myself, but I

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Speaker 2: So this conversation I thoroughly enjoyed it. Donnie has some

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Speaker 2: Today We're going to old school talking about how to

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Speaker 3: Will be June. Oh jeez, bear with me here.

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Speaker 2: June nineteenth, twenty twenty five is when this podcast will

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Speaker 2: which is June twelfth, twenty twenty five, there is a

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Speaker 3: All of you. This is really important.

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Speaker 2: The budget bill that we discussed two weeks ago with

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Speaker 3: Debating a big, beautiful bill, as I.

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Speaker 2: Call it, and it's got a whole lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff. We're in a big fuss a couple months

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Speaker 2: back to future public lands. That was a big problem.

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Speaker 2: There's just almost too much to even bring up right now,

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Speaker 2: They have the votes, they have the support, they have

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Speaker 3: Upwelling of outrage about this.

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Speaker 2: So if you hunt or fish, or camp or climb

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Speaker 3: This is the red alert. This is the Code red moment.

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Speaker 2: This is the big one. This is something we really

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a phone number right now,

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Speaker 2: because our voices do still matter. We still can make

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Speaker 2: and then you're gonna get a voicemail, or you're gonna

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Speaker 2: It's very easy. Nobody will argue with you. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: This one is a doozy, and I hate to have

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Speaker 2: And if you care about these things too, that's the

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Speaker 2: right now, pause this podcast. If you can make this

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Speaker 3: But I care a whole hell of a lot about

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Speaker 2: I know that many of you do two, so we

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Speaker 2: of the way, thank you, and here's my conversation with

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the one and only Donnie Vincent.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Donnie.

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Speaker 4: How's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's good, It's really good.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that we can be sitting here chatting again

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Speaker 2: so so thanks for making this happen.

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Speaker 2: So the other day I read you described yourself as such.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? Why are you obsessed with how

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Speaker 4: Well, the first part saying I'm obsessed with wild places

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Why is that still important today? Why does that still

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Speaker 4: For me, it's the closeness as I learn more about

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Speaker 4: It was books, man, I mean it's it's been a

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Speaker 4: My dad hunted very rarely, and almost always when he did,

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Speaker 4: Both it's both. I'm terribly inspired by what happened back

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Speaker 4: about his grandfather guiding Jack O'Connor, and he's pointing to

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00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 4: the mountain. He's like, not that peak, but the peak

438
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 4: behind it, and I said, yeah, I see it. He's

439
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: like Jack would hunt that mountain often, and I'm just

440
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: like wow, you know, it's just incredible and not obviously

441
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 4: things have change, but when you go to the North Country.

442
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons people ask me all the time,

443
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 4: like why don't you hunt elkmore? Why do you go

444
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: hunt caribou and moosen? Because when I get above the

445
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: Arctic Circle, or when I get near as far out

446
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: as I can get in Alaska, it's like taking a

447
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: step back in time. I'm flying in in a super

448
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 4: cub that was built in the nineteen sixties or seventies.

449
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm rolling out a down sleeping bag that,

450
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: while it is brand new, looks identical to the downsleeping

451
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 4: bags that were made in fifty years ago, essentially, like

452
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: they haven't changed all that much. And you know, my

453
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: tent is a little bit more modern and Obviously my

454
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: weapon is a lot more modern, but still it's very similar.

455
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: So when I head to the North Country, that's what

456
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: really kind of embodies me, and what distracts me or

457
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: concerns me, is that the you know, either the social

458
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 4: media aspect of it, or just how some younger people

459
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 4: or I don't even want to put an age to it,

460
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: but some you know, like you see some of the

461
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: waterfall of pictures of guys saying piles for smiles, you know,

462
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: and they're like, there's no one even describes their hunt anymore. Mark,

463
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: they don't even tell you what the morning was like,

464
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: the don't tell you. I recently saw a somebody sent

465
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 4: me a post and it was about this person killed

466
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's a certain number of turkeys this year.

467
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: And they said, I drove this far, flew this far.

468
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: I hunt hunted Kansas for one hour, killed the bird,

469
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 4: hunted South Dakota for one hour, killed the bird. And

470
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: they had killed like, you know, ten turkeys in two

471
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: weeks and two Grand slams, and like there wasn't one

472
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: element about the adventure, not one element. It was literally

473
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: a grocery list of you might as well have been

474
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: looking at football stats of how many interceptions you threw,

475
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: how many touchdowns you through and and it was it was,

476
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: it was, it was. It was boasting. There wasn't anything

477
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: about to do on the grass. And I'm listen, I

478
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: met with a company yesterday and it was a very

479
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: positive meeting, and the meeting went great, and it wasn't

480
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 4: about it was on the A lot of people don't know.

481
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: I have two branches of my business. One is a

482
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: commercial side and then the other is is kind of

483
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: our documentaries and storytelling. And this company was talking to

484
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: me about the commercial side. We're going to be filming

485
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: some work for them, but they, you know, to my face,

486
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 4: they're like, we're we're not really interested in your in

487
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 4: your long form storytelling, old school type hunt. We want

488
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 4: to go to this new breath of fresh air, this

489
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: fast paced movement, this kind of exciting hunting is cool.

490
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: It's it's it's trendy, it's fashionable. Like that's the direction

491
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: that they wanted to go and and and that's you know,

492
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: that's their prerogative. But I just see these things and

493
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: I just am concerned about the same wisdoms that I

494
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: was telling you about a moment ago where somebody says, hey,

495
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 4: the moose move into this valley about the time of

496
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: the first snow. You know, you hear things like this.

497
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: I'm just concerned that we're going to lose that type

498
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: of wisdom, We're going to lose that type of woodsmanship.

499
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: William Altman is our director of fatal at Sigmantha. He

500
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: lives in Maine. He's a he's a bigfoot essentially, like

501
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 4: the kid is in the woods twenty four hours a day,

502
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 4: texting me deer tracks and texting me map images of

503
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: like look at this swamp, look at this crossing, Like

504
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: we text back and forth NonStop about look at this

505
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 4: rub that I found. Look at this grouse on his

506
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 4: drumming lot. I mean it is total immersion. And then

507
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: and then to even move over to Cody dia Cuisto

508
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 4: from Lone Wolf Gear, Like the guy owns a trail

509
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: camera company. I use more of Cody's trail cameras than

510
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: Cody does, and he owns the company. He doesn't hunt

511
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 4: with a blind, he barely hunts with a tree stand,

512
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 4: and when he does so, it's ten feet off the ground.

513
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 4: He doesn't stop a deer, he doesn't use a peep site.

514
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: Now he's using a recurve, but he'll go out. He'll

515
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: text me in the morning, Mark and he's like, hey,

516
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: what are you think of this track? He has no

517
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: idea what this deer looks like. He goes, what do

518
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: you think of this track? Am I wasting my time?

519
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 4: Or is this a good one? I'm like, Cody, I

520
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: think that's a good one. And then four o'clock in

521
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 4: the afternoon, he'll text me a picture of his bloody

522
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: arrow and I'll go what is he? And he goes,

523
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: I don't know yet. I just saw a huge body,

524
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: white til walking by. I came to full draw and

525
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: I shot him. And then an hour after that he'll

526
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: text me this picture of this seven and a half

527
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: year old you know whatever. And he did it all

528
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: off of nosing around and looking at tracks. I'll guarantee

529
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: you Cody's experience is tenfold. The guy that got a

530
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: cell cam picture, grab his bow that he can shoot

531
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: ninety yards with ran and got in his box blind

532
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: and then when that deer walked out at ninety yards,

533
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: he made a good shot. But like I'll guarantee you,

534
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: Cody is is h His experience is ten times with

535
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: that gentleman, and he'll remember his experience and that deer

536
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: a lot lifetime, whereas I fear that other one might

537
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: just be a number and a dry a trip to

538
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: the tax durmy shop.

539
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't.

540
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 2: I've wrestled with all this myself in my own personal trajectory,

541
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, as I grew up hunting since I was three,

542
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: so I've been doing my whole life. But in my

543
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, after I graduated college and I kind of

544
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: had control of my own future, is when I really

545
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: really doubled down on the white tail thing and really

546
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: wanted to figure it out. And at that time, it

547
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: was it all seems so so incredibly challenging and daunting

548
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: that every little piece of technology that I could use,

549
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: or every tool that might be available, is like, oh,

550
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: I need to take advantage of every opportunity I have

551
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: because this seems so damn hard. Sure I'll try this

552
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: thing that eliminates my sense. Sure I'll try this camera

553
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: that's going to help me see. I'm sure I will

554
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: try this you know site that's going to help me

555
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: see you know, get my pin on him. A little

556
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: bit later in the evening.

557
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

558
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, But gradually, over time there's been this kind of

559
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: crossing trajectory where I've seen my skill set grow and

560
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: then at the same time see my need for those

561
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: tools decline because of the compensation I have created within myself,

562
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: within my own capabilities.

563
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: And so I've found now that my innate.

564
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: Tools that I bring to the table are just as

565
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: effective maybe as the technology that you used to supplement

566
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: me or be a crutch.

567
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: And I'm realizing that you are.

568
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: Losing, as you've said, you lose a little bit of

569
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: the experience with every additional layer of technology put in

570
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: between you and the animal. And so while I've used

571
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: all these things, I've done all these things, every year,

572
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm finding myself wanting to simplify more and more and more,

573
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: a little bit by little bit. And I can see

574
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: where it's headed, Like I know where I'm headed, I

575
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: can feel it.

576
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: And I just don't know.

577
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how to make sense of this from

578
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: like a community perspective, When you think about the entirety

579
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: of our cutting community, I understand everyone's in a different place, right,

580
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: We're all at a different point on that personal journey.

581
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: We all have a different background and experience with hunting.

582
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: For some people, their tradition is is sitting in a

583
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: box line with Grandpa and watching the food plot. For

584
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: some people it was you know, track and deer in

585
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: the snow in northern Maine. And I understand everyone has

586
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: that unique connection and it's valuable in its own way.

587
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I can't help but feel

588
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: exactly as you are, and that we are losing something

589
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: when we when we immerse ourselves so much in our

590
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: phones or in the gizmo and gadget, and lose sight

591
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: of what originally brought us here. When you look at

592
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: this is a long winded way of getting to how

593
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: you feel when you look at where we are as

594
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: a community, when you look at all of this technology

595
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: and all of this modern culture around hunting. Now, what

596
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: specifically is most alarming? Is it how we're talking about

597
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: things on social media? Is it the fact that you know,

598
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: sometimes people are hunting and the ways you describe they've

599
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: got the you know, the instant photo on their camera.

600
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: They sneak out there with a high powered rifle and

601
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: a night vision scope. Now and they can have an

602
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: app that dials in their scope for them. They don't

603
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: even even know how to handle windage they've got, you know,

604
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean every possible thing that the military has almost

605
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: now it seems like we're using to try to kill

606
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: a deer. What of all of this stands out to

607
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 2: you is like top of the pile concerning that that

608
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: maybe is a community we need to start thinking about,

609
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of examples we could dive into.

610
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: What are those most glaring to you?

611
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, one of the things that one

612
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 4: of the elements that I dislike the most is sell camps,

613
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: right that if you're if we're like picking up product,

614
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: That's one of the things that I dislike the most.

615
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: I I I even I have a large lease that

616
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: I hunt on with some dear friends of mine in Illinois,

617
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: and I've been there for years and we have like

618
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 4: I don't know, sixty cell cams on the place, and

619
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: and not once ever and it drives my least partner's nuts.

620
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 4: Not once ever have I logged in. You know, we

621
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: have a log in and we all get to see

622
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: all the photos. I've not once. I have no idea

623
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: how to log in. I've not once logged in. And

624
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: and occasionally I'll ask one of my least partners, like, hey,

625
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: did you see have you seen that giant eight? Is

626
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: he have he? Has he been coming walking down that stream?

627
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: Have you seen him from Afar or whatever? And it'd

628
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: be like He'll just like go into the app and

629
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: you can look, yeah, look, look look yeah, like and

630
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm not going to And so my biggest concern is

631
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 4: and I think like this goes towards every aspect of life,

632
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: from learning how to drive a car, to hunting to

633
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: painting to it doesn't matter two dentistry. Like I feel

634
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: like the technology is is really pushing past the human

635
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: element and in the hunting sense. The thing that I

636
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: don't really care for is a lot of the young guys,

637
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: a lot. I'm not not all, Like I've met some

638
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: really young guys that really have a fever for they

639
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: want to get out in the woods and explore. They

640
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: want to be woodsman. They want to know how to

641
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: build a shelter, how to build a fire, how to survive,

642
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: and then how to add hunting to the element, fishing

643
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: to the element, things like that. But it's it's what

644
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: worries me is the community as a whole, how they

645
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: talk the you know, every state making crossbows legal for

646
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: archery season absolutely hate that drives the deer populations down,

647
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: particularly you you add the crossbow to the cell camera,

648
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: to either baits or foot plots, and then a box blind.

649
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you have zero disadvantages. You can shoot however

650
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 4: far across bow can shoot. And you know, I moved

651
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: from My dad used to be a rifle hunter and

652
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: he did so very very sparingly, and he was not

653
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 4: a good hunter too. I told my dad, I said, hey,

654
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: can I get you to shoot a bow? And he said, ah, Man,

655
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I said can, I said, I

656
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 4: want to show you what I see in September because

657
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: when we go out on deer opener, as charming as

658
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: that is, and you're from Michigan, right, Mark, Yeah, see

659
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: that stuff? To me and I'm going to be a

660
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: hypocrite here, it's charming as hell, like you sitting in

661
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: a box blne a box line that looks like a

662
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: fish house with your grandpa. Charming as hell. That fits

663
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: for me sitting in the latest scent roof silent window

664
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars that that's where it goes like this

665
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: to me and so like I live in Wisconsin right now,

666
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: if I drive around during deer season, you should see

667
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: some of the blinds and stuff that we see out at.

668
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: Like there're guys like lazy boys, like yeah, Green Bay

669
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: Packer painted stands. It's crazy anyway. But with my dad,

670
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: I said, can I can I teach you how to

671
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: shoot a ball? And he's like, I guess. So I

672
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: got on a bow and he could shoot only forty

673
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: pounds and he had to come to full draw and

674
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: shoot like he couldn't hold it. He had to come

675
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: to full draw, get the target. Shoot. He showed like

676
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 4: fifteen eighteen yards. So anyway, I I borrowed a haybail

677
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: blind when the original haybale blinds from double ble Archery,

678
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: I borrowed one from a friend. I went put it

679
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: out in the woods and I took my dad and

680
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: I was sitting with him and we were over this.

681
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: It was over like a little but not a food plot,

682
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: but there was a clearing that would grow just regular

683
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 4: like Kentucky bluegrass. But the deer would always feed on it.

684
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: They'd come out of this swamp ticket they'd feed on

685
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: and then they go out to a beanfield and I'll

686
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: try to make this story really quick. But I was

687
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: sitting with my dad and al asudden I saw antler

688
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: tips coming through the woods and I said, hey, Dad,

689
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: a buck is coming. It's like okay. And this buck

690
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: came out and he was like one hundred and thirty

691
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: five inches eight pointer, which is the biggest buck my

692
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: dad has ever seen in his life. At this point

693
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: he comes out, he's looking at me like his The

694
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: deer is already at twenty yards right of this area

695
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: of grasses, twenty yards away, and the buck comes out

696
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: mark and he starts making us scrape. And I know

697
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: you've seen this. I know most archers have. But he

698
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: is hitting the ground so hard with this hoof, so

699
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: dirt is flying like twenty feet and he's doing it

700
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 4: with his left hoof, and then his licking branch is

701
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: such that he has to stand on his hind feet

702
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: and stick his nose way up there. He's like whatever,

703
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: six feet seven feet off the ground and he's rubbing it.

704
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: He drops down, he goes back to and I was

705
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: washing the deer, but I'm watching my dad and his

706
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: and the deer come starts walking right at us, and

707
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: then at five yards he turns broadside my dad comes

708
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: to full draw, but the deer doesn't stop walking. He

709
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: just walked away. My dad lets down, which is totally cool.

710
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 4: And I he just looked at me and he goes,

711
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: how often do you see that? And I said, almost

712
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: every day, man, when I'm bow hunting, I see that

713
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: almost every day. And he was just flabbergasted. And and

714
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: those experiences like that type of experiences. And then when

715
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: I moved from that, when my dad finally couldn't draw

716
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: his bonymore and I said, hey, okay, I'm going to

717
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: get you a crossbow. He was sixty four years old

718
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: or whatever. I got him a crossboard sixty two years old.

719
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: That's what the crossbow is for to me, Like, that's

720
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: what that is for, and like uh, and so just

721
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 4: all the technological advancements like we obviously. I remember back

722
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six, I was in northern Maine with

723
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: a buddy of mine's family. They were bear hunting, and

724
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 4: we went up there just to ride Honda etc. Three

725
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 4: wheelers in the woods wall My buddy's dad and his

726
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: buddy bear hunted, and I remember that old psc or

727
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: old bear compounds. They had the latest compounds on the market.

728
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: They were so cool, like tree bark, and I remember

729
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: they were so amped up because they had three brass

730
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: pins and they had just added a light to those

731
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 4: pins because they couldn't see the sides of the bears

732
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: at night. They couldn't see their pins on the side

733
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: of the bears. And you know, that's this kind of

734
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: stuff that starts right that's where all this kind of

735
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just concerned that with a lot of

736
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: the young people that hunting to them is inches of antler.

737
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 4: It's a crossbow, it's a bait pile, it's a food plot,

738
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: and it's dare I say this if you took a

739
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: group of guys to five guys, you and your buddies,

740
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: and you say, we're going to go on a hunt

741
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 4: in Illinois, boot plots, box blinds, giant box everything like that.

742
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 4: You guys are gonna hunt for a week. You're gonna

743
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: go do that, and then we are going to go

744
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 4: to a giant area of state land or a giant

745
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: private property in wherever. In New York. We're gonna go

746
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: to ten thousand acres in New York and you guys

747
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: were gonna go and everyone's gonna have a tree stand

748
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: on their back. Everyone's gonna have a different section of

749
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: the property. In the morning, we're all gonna hands in

750
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 4: the middle. Ready break, and we're all gonna go our

751
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: separate directions. And then I'm gonna force you guys, you

752
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: have to come home at night to a cabin and

753
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: the five you have to sit down and tell me

754
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 4: about your day. I bet if we did that, the

755
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: New York one would be way better than the Illinois hunt,

756
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: way better because you'd be exploring. You'd find crick crossings

757
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: that you didn't even know existed. You'd set up your

758
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: tree stand. Ol Suden, here comes a buck, You're like,

759
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: holy man like, or here comes a little buck, and

760
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 4: then Ol Suden, here comes a bigger buck, and like,

761
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shoot this dough. It's just it's just so

762
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: much more rewarding. It's no different than like when I

763
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm moose hunting in Alaska this year, I have no

764
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: idea what's where I'm I don't even know where I'm

765
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: going yet, I don't know what I'm gonna see. I

766
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: might see a seventy five inch bolt loose, I might

767
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: not even see a moose. Like it's all adventure to me.

768
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: But that's my biggest concern is cutting the corners, making

769
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: the crossbows available to everyone, making sell cameras to everyone's

770
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: just looking at their phones. Like, and I know you've

771
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: experienced this, Like you go into hunting camps. Now we

772
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: used to all sit around and tell stories of the

773
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: hunts that we had done. Now we all sit on

774
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: our phone. So like, I'll sit in a hunting camp.

775
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: I looked around. There's ten guys in camp. Everyone is

776
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 4: on their phone. They're not even talking. That's what's that's

777
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: that's what's going away.

778
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been feeling all this myself. And

779
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: and I did series on the podcast earlier this year

780
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: exploring the idea of how to bring adventure back in

781
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: to our hunts, because I think, especially in the white

782
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: tail world, it's become so there's become this this formulaic

783
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: approach that's become very popular. That's kind of everything we've

784
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: been describing, right, It's like, all right, get your food plot,

785
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: get your box blind, get your cell cam.

786
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: Uh. And again I say all this as someone who

787
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: has done all of this, so I've lived this.

788
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: I have as well.

789
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that you know, for all the reasons

790
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: we've discussed that can grow stale, that can stagnate, that

791
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: can you can lose something there, right, And and so

792
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: I've I've been exploring personally, how do you, how do

793
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: you how do I still be a deer hunter? How

794
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: do I still be a white tail fanatic? But do

795
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: it in unique different kinds of ways that that stoke

796
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: a fire in me in a different kind of way.

797
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: So I've talked to people about doing float trips for

798
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: white tails. I've talked to people about doing backpacking trips

799
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: for white tails.

800
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 3: I've talked to people about.

801
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: You know, doing canoe trips on big lake systems for

802
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: white tails, different stuff like that. I'd love to hear

803
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: what it's looked like for you, and I would love

804
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: to hear about the Illinois example. But also if there's

805
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: any other examples you have of ways that you have

806
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: brought back adventure or this old school connection to our

807
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: hunting past back into your white tail life, because I

808
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: think there aren't a lot example of there are not

809
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: many examples today of how that's done. Most of the

810
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: examples for what deer hunting looks today is the antithesis

811
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: of this. So could you paint me a picture of

812
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: that or give me some examples of ways that you've

813
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: done this.

814
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 4: So the last couple of years, for instance, when I

815
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: hunt in Illinois, Wisconsin, wherever it is that I'm hunting,

816
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: I've been hunting with a longbow or a recurve, either

817
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 4: one of those, mostly a longbow the last couple of years.

818
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: But and for instance, I'll tell you kind of my

819
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: system in Illinois is is it's we have one big

820
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: farm and we have like five or six little farms,

821
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 4: and so we almost always have some very large bucks

822
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: on the place. And so last year we got hit

823
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 4: with EHD pretty bad, so most of our bucks perished,

824
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: but there's there was still some really nice deer left over.

825
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: But I wait to see where these really really big

826
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: deer are going to be living, and then I stay

827
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: away from there because that's where everybody goes. That's where

828
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 4: all my partners go and hunt, because they all want

829
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 4: the two hundred inch deer, they want the one eighty

830
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: one And I never shoot those deer because I don't

831
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: I don't hunt those deer really, And so how I've

832
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: done it for myself is I went back to scouting

833
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: by being in the woods, by taking a look around,

834
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: by walking down crick bottoms and being like, Okay, here

835
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: is a crossing. Why are they crossing here? How are

836
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: they using this? Where are scrapes in the woods, not

837
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: just on the edges of food plots, but where are

838
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 4: the scrapes in the woods that really no one else

839
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: knows about? And how can I get to them by

840
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: a canoe? We have a river system that runs for

841
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: our whole property, so I've been looking at hunting by

842
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: the boat or waiting across the river. I've been doing

843
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff where I go in the morning,

844
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 4: hence the video that we just published. I way across

845
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: the river there to get in the back door on

846
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: that book and using traditional archery equipment, which takes a

847
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: lot of practice and a lot of understudy. With my

848
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: dear friend Joel Turner from sean IQ, I shoot underneath

849
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: him quite a bit. I learned from Tom clumb Out

850
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: in Colorado kind of the mechanics for shooting the bow.

851
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: And but that's an element. And then I I use

852
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: trail cameras mark And what I do is I set

853
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: trail cameras up in particular locations of where I really

854
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: want to see kind of movements, how animals are running,

855
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: but I set them up, and I generally set them

856
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 4: up at the end of August, and that I won't

857
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: check them like I haven't checked them this year yet.

858
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: I in fact, I've been too busy. I need to

859
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: go down to Illinois and pull all my cameras. I'll

860
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: look at all the videos and then i'll use that

861
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: information this year. I'll look at like, okay, bucks are

862
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: actually crossing, because if I find a really cool crossing,

863
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: I'll put a camera up there. And then I'll want

864
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: to understand our mature deer using this or is this

865
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: just a dough and fawn like highway and so, and

866
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: then I'll generally separate myself from the gentleman that I

867
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: hunt with. I'll separate myself and I'll go over to

868
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: one of our smaller farms that they really see not

869
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: a lot of value in the deer that are living there.

870
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: But I'll find a six seven eight year old, you know,

871
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty in eight pointer and that looks

872
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: like a side of beef walking through the woods, and

873
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 4: I will love to hunt that deer. And so I'll

874
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 4: do different things like that. But it's just like what

875
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: you're saying going in with a stand on your back.

876
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: And I've been doing a couple of things. I've been

877
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: doing a fair bit of gilly suit hunting from the ground,

878
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: ye going in and just like and sometimes I get

879
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 4: just destroyed, right Like I'll find this little area where

880
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 4: the deer are feeding on a locust tree, and I'll

881
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: find this little spot that I'm gonna set up, and

882
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 4: I set up and lo and behold, because I don't

883
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 4: know this yet, Mark, Like all the does are coming

884
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: out behind me, you know, and I have my wind

885
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: blowing a certain direction, but all the dose are coming

886
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: out behind me. That I get just blown out that night,

887
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 4: and it makes me kind of laugh, like I didn't

888
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: realize they were coming out right there or whatever. But

889
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: I'll be doing stuff like that, or going in and

890
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: hanging and hunting. And I always thought saddles. I always

891
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 4: thought saddles were the dumbest thing in the world because

892
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: of who was using them, like the people like, you know,

893
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: kind of like it was very popular. And then I

894
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: met some of the guys from Tethered and they said,

895
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: let us send you one, and I said no, and

896
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 4: they said let us send you one. I said, okay,

897
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: let's set a watch.

898
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: Out for those guys. They're very convincing.

899
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, very convincing. And then I used it, like I

900
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: can't film with it. It doesn't work for our style

901
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 4: of filming. But when I go out by myself without

902
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 4: a camera, it's it was incredibly rewarding. The hell of

903
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: a tool, hell of a tool, and like sneaking up

904
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 4: into this little tree and sitting there, it just was

905
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: so rewarding. Like if I were if I weren't filming,

906
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: I would either hunt like Cody dia Cuisto. Because it's

907
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 4: also very difficult for us to film, uh, with a

908
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 4: with a secondary photographer. It's very difficult for us to

909
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: film like ten feet off the ground. It's just very

910
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: very difficult. Yeah, So like we generally have to be

911
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: higher up or further back or whatever it is. Like

912
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: we are very particular about where we pick our spots.

913
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: You know, picking a big silver maple that has a

914
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: lot of branches and you know we'll set up there.

915
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: We can't just sneak in and set up you know,

916
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: on a telephone poultry, it just doesn't work. But anyway,

917
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 4: but adding elements like that, doing some some saddle hunting,

918
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: doing some low low tree stand hunting, doing some and

919
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: then finding these internal internal woods food plots, like finding

920
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: the locust trees that they're feeding on, finding where the

921
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 4: real good concentrations of acorns are, where these little oak

922
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: flats are, just reading the sign, going in and and

923
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: looking for mature, mature box and mature dose. That in

924
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: the deer hunting element, that's what's really inspired me. And

925
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 4: I've even thought about lately, both for ducks and deer.

926
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to the boundary waters and paddling in and

927
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: like going on some of these islands. And then I

928
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: there's a place I don't want to say where it is.

929
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: There's a place in Minnesota that I've been wanting to

930
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: hunt again. I don't want to say where it is,

931
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: but I know very few people hunt this place. And

932
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: it is freaking massive, and it's it's public land, and

933
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 4: it's very difficult to get to, and it's very far away,

934
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: and and but I know some gentlemen that have been

935
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 4: around this area and they're like, man, there's very few

936
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 4: deer there, but like we have seen some box there

937
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: that are like will melt your freaking mind. And then

938
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: so things like that, Just doing things like that, and

939
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: I've recently been reading about finding lakes that have wild

940
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 4: rice on them in the boundary water, so I can

941
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: go up and duck hunt in the fall out of

942
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: a canoe, which I think would be really sick. But

943
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: that's what I'm doing. I'm and it doesn't take It's

944
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 4: a mindset like you and I, because I think you

945
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: would enjoy this. Like we could go set up a

946
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: camp in Illinois, grab twenty two rifles and go out

947
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 4: hunt fox squirrels and come back, skin them up quarterum,

948
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: get them in the frying pan, and you'd have the

949
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: time of year. It's no different than hunting moose in Alaska.

950
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: It's the same thing if you have the same mindset.

951
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

952
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 4: And the more difficult you make things, the more you

953
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 4: pay attention, the more interesting they are. And I've said

954
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 4: this many times on podcasts, but I took a photography

955
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 4: class in college, and my very rarely when somebody says

956
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: something to you that's all or nothing, is it true?

957
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: Almost always when somebody says the one hundred percent or

958
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: zero percent, all the time you can say no. But

959
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: my professor said to me one time, the closer you

960
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: get to something, the more interesting it becomes. And I thought,

961
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: is that true? I start thinking about like a tree,

962
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: Like you see a maple tree from far away, it's beautiful.

963
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: But if you really start getting close to looking at

964
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: all the bark and look at the venation and the

965
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 4: leaves and look at how it grows, and you really

966
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: understand the biology of sugar maple like acer sacaram Why

967
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: is it acer? What does that mean? Why is it sacarum?

968
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: Is that Latin for sugar? Like? Okay, so when is

969
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: the sap running? When do people collect sup? And you

970
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 4: become an expert on sugar maples. The next time you

971
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 4: see a sugar mate, well you're gonna be like, I

972
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: really appreciate that tree. And if you do the same

973
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 4: thing with the white tail deer, when are they breeding?

974
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: And why? Like I hear so much information out there

975
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 4: that's wrong, like what are they doing? What? And even

976
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: like I listened to your I don't listen to hunting

977
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: podcasts until the fall. That's when I'll start when I'm

978
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: road tripping and stuff. And I listened to your I

979
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: loved your series. I wish you did more of it.

980
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 4: Actually it's like seven days, oh, one week in November.

981
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: One week in November. Yea, I love that stuff because

982
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: I like chronological journal hunting. I don't care that you

983
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 4: shot a one eighty could care less, don't care if

984
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: it was on sugar beets, brassicas from this company or

985
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 4: that company, don't care. But if you're like I went,

986
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, like this one time, you're like, I snuck

987
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: into this spot. I thought it was a good spot.

988
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: I heard of two bucks fighting, and then you realized

989
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 4: it was the neighbor rattling his face off. Made me laugh.

990
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: I was like, because that's a story that you didn't

991
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: kill a deer there, but it's a story. And then

992
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: and then you lament it on the one hundred and

993
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 4: fifty inch buck that you missed and all this stuff,

994
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: and like that you didn't you didn't kill a deer there,

995
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: But it was better than a story than if you did,

996
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: because you actually told the story. And I think about

997
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 4: those things and that's what's interesting to me. And I

998
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: hear this stuff also, Mark, I laugh about this all

999
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: the time. Come November, all these podcasts are talking about

1000
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: the grind. How do you stay in a tree stand?

1001
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 4: What little tips and tricks? What snacks a you're gonna break?

1002
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: I sit? I like to hunt dark to dark. I

1003
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 4: like to get to a tree stand about an hour

1004
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: before shooting light, and I'll stay there until the gate

1005
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 4: is good if it's if it's right at the end

1006
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 4: of shooting light and nobody's around, I'll slip down and

1007
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: I'll get out. And I take great care in how

1008
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: I approach my tree stands. Very very often I'm going

1009
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: through a crick bottom or something along those natures to

1010
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 4: get into a tree stand. But I'll sit about twenty

1011
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: five days thirty days every year, dark to dark. And

1012
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: it's not a grind to me at all, from the

1013
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 4: from the moment I get to the tree stand to

1014
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: that when the sun goes down, it goes by in

1015
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: a flash. To me. My alarm goes off every day

1016
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: in November, my alarm goes off at three am. That's

1017
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: when I get up. I get up at three every

1018
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: single day. It's the same time. I don't want to

1019
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: rush in the morning. I get up, I eat breakfast,

1020
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 4: I drink a cup of coffee, I get my gear

1021
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 4: together and I head to the woods. I do the

1022
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 4: same thing every day. And when I sit there, when

1023
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: I'm not coming out, I'm not going in. Sometimes i'll

1024
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 4: come out if the wind's gonna be wrong and I'll

1025
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 4: go to another farm. Or sometimes I have a plan

1026
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: of like I'm gonna hunt this buck in the morning,

1027
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna slip over and hunt this buck in

1028
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: the afternoon, things like that. But I'll literally just get down,

1029
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: go over and get back up, or get down and

1030
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 4: go whatever I'm doing. It's just it's just so rewarding

1031
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: to see the birds and to watch the geese fly over.

1032
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: And you know, I see the songbirds change throughout the

1033
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: fall as they're going through their migrations, and the deer change.

1034
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: And I know you appreciate some of this, but yeah,

1035
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 4: I just want to get as close as I possibly

1036
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 4: can to the natural world. And the older I get,

1037
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: the more I hunt, the more I realize I wanted

1038
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 4: to keep taking little mini steps back from from what

1039
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 4: is popular right now and what is technology right now.

1040
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of those all day sits, I do a

1041
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: lot of that myself. And what I speaking of all

1042
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: these different little crutches or ways that you know, the

1043
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: outside world infiltrates your hunting experience.

1044
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: It's so easy today to be out.

1045
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: There and every time your quote unquote bored or things

1046
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: aren't happening. You reach for your phone, right, It's so

1047
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: easy to reach for that phone out of just instinct,

1048
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: and then before you know it, you're looking at some

1049
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: smut on your social media feed or whatever it is,

1050
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: and losing sight of everything around you. And what I've

1051
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 2: tried to do more often, I don't do this enough,

1052
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: but I want to continue to do more of this

1053
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: is you go out there and not bring the phone

1054
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: or bury the phone in the bottom of your backpack

1055
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: as just for emergencies, and otherwise, force yourself to immerse

1056
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: in the natural world around you. Force yourself to truly

1057
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: open your eyes in the ears and notice all the

1058
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: little things going on. And the times I have done

1059
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: that are the absolute best hunts. The most rejuvenating, refreshing,

1060
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: surprising hunts are when you embrace the stillness, embrace the

1061
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: lack of action, embrace the embrace what you might originally

1062
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 2: call boredom, but if you kind of wallow on it enough,

1063
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: it ends up being fascinating. Like you talked about, when

1064
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: you go deep into something, you realize there's so much

1065
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: more there, There's so much more intricacy.

1066
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: You know, this is a total tangent. But another way

1067
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: I do.

1068
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: This is you know, you talked about really focusing in

1069
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: on something specific like a maple tree, And I think

1070
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: that by understanding the context of a place or a species,

1071
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: you see it more closely too, and so not you know,

1072
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: for example, I'm going to and I think you've been

1073
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: here before. I'm going to the Arctic National Wilife Refuge

1074
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: in three days, and I'm just reading. I'm very excited.

1075
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: I've just been reading every little bit.

1076
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: Of history and natural history and everything about this place

1077
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: because I know that when I go there, I know

1078
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: it would be.

1079
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: Incredible either way.

1080
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: But if I were to go there with this context

1081
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: and with this history and with this understanding, I think

1082
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: it will be as I've experienced other places, and that

1083
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: it feels like I go from looking at the world

1084
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: through a fuzzy pair of sunglasses to instead putting on

1085
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: a picture perfectly clear, terrific prescription set of eyeglasses, and

1086
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the world is bright and clear

1087
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: and you can see and recognize, in a appreciate so

1088
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: much more around you. And I think you can do

1089
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 2: that in one way being developed that context, learn, learn, learn,

1090
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: And then the other is to simply open our eyes

1091
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: and not be distracted by the junk in our pocket

1092
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be.

1093
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: Absolutely, when I was younger, I attempted to bring a

1094
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 4: book to the tree stand, and two things were glaringly

1095
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 4: obvious to me. One, I can't believe how loud it

1096
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: is to turn a page when you're paying it to

1097
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: out was just like holy cow. And Two, I just

1098
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 4: kept reading the same sentence over and over again because

1099
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: I read the sentence and then I lift my head

1100
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 4: up and look around, and so to your point, like

1101
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: when you know, like I go to Alaska, right, I

1102
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: get asked a lot, why don't you elk hunt? Well,

1103
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: I love elk they are and I've camped in places

1104
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 4: where elk live and I've listened to them bugle all

1105
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 4: night long, and it is as I mean, I remember

1106
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: the first time I saw a box canyon. And I

1107
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: walked up into this mountain valley in Nevada, and I'd

1108
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 4: heard the term box canyon before, but I walked up

1109
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 4: in there and I heard these bolt bugling, and I

1110
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: was like, oh, this is a box canyon. It's a canyon.

1111
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 4: It's literally in the shape of a box, like and

1112
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: I remember that popping in my head, like, oh, this

1113
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 4: is really cool, and it looked like I took a

1114
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 4: step back time because I hiked so far into hunting's elf.

1115
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: But that's why I go to Alaska. That's literally when

1116
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 4: I hunt Elk, I see people, I see side by sides.

1117
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 4: I see ten guys standing around with ten spotting scopes

1118
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 4: on tripods. I see all the hunting gear that I

1119
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: don't want to see. I see all the outfits that

1120
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't want to see. I see it looks like

1121
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: they fell out of a catalog, each guy. And when

1122
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 4: I go to Alaska, the pilot that drops me off

1123
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: doesn't give two rats ass about the hunting industry. He

1124
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: doesn't care who's popular and who's not, who has this

1125
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: many likes in this many followers. He doesn't care who

1126
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: was on Joe Rogan could care or less. He is

1127
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 4: a pilot in a very dangerous place, and he lives

1128
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 4: there because he's a man that has enveloped himself, surrounds

1129
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: himself with adventure. And he's going to drop me off

1130
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: from the wildest freaking place he can think of, where

1131
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: he may have saw moose last year, or he may

1132
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: not have ever seen a moose, but he thinks it's

1133
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: a good place to land his airplane. And I'm the

1134
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: type of guy to take a look around, and I

1135
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 4: love that. And when we like, we can't use our

1136
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: phones up there right, the phones, there's there's nothing to them.

1137
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: And we have our in reaches, which will occasionally use

1138
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: for safety or even just to communicate at home. But

1139
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: when you can be up there, and I've sat there

1140
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 4: on the hillside before, Mark, I hunted moose in Alaska

1141
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: three years ago. It hunted. I think it ended up

1142
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 4: being the wettest year and recorded history in Alaska. It rained.

1143
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: I was there for seventeen days. It rained dark to

1144
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: dark for all seventeen days, probably about five hours it

1145
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 4: didn't rain. Other than that it was downpouring, honest, because

1146
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: there was a typhoon that was coming in. It was extreme.

1147
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 4: What we saw. One legal bull moose. I definitely could

1148
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 4: have killed it, but I passed it because I thought

1149
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: it was probably about a sixty inch bull. But it

1150
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 4: looked youngish to me, so I was like, I'm not

1151
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: going to shoot it. But to your point, that boredom,

1152
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: that leaving your phone tucked away, we ended up laying there,

1153
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: sitting there whatever. And he talked like, you know, I'd

1154
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 4: sit there. If you were there with me, I'd be like,

1155
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, tell me, tell me about the best hunt

1156
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: you've ever had with your dad, or tell me. And

1157
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: I would literally start asking you questions that I may

1158
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 4: have already known, Like I might say, if we're sitting there,

1159
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: I might say, like, Mark, tell me why did you

1160
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: start wired to hunt? Like what what were you trying

1161
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 4: to do? And then like what was your first hunting memory.

1162
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: We'd start getting to know each other for the renversations,

1163
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 4: and then we'd have like, you know, you've met William Altman, right, yeah,

1164
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: So William would lay there and be like I tell

1165
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: this to people and they just laugh. But hit later

1166
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 4: there and be like, Okay, no bullshit, don't come up

1167
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: with some fake answer. How many donuts could you eat

1168
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 4: right now? Don't give me some stupid one hundred donuts?

1169
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 4: Like how many donuts could you eat right now? And

1170
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 4: I'd be and I'd sit there and be like, I

1171
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: think I could eat eleven donuts. He'd be like, oh shit,

1172
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: you cannot eat eleven, you know, like, and people wonder

1173
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: and like he really likes goat cheese, so he started

1174
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 4: talking about goat cheese and like, oh, we just but

1175
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 4: you start having these conversations. Right, We've sat there and

1176
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 4: we've been trapped in a tent for five days, where

1177
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 4: we started reading all the packages and finding typos and

1178
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 4: the ingredients and all this different stuff. Like people think

1179
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 4: that you're lost, but I think that we're actually discovering.

1180
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 4: And do you remember when Suckerberg started talking about the metaverse. Yeah,

1181
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 4: and you were going to start having You're going to

1182
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 4: meet be able to move to a house in the

1183
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 4: metaverse and go shopping in the metaverse, and meet a

1184
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 4: girl in the metaverse and have relations in the metaverse.

1185
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: I actually got really excited about that because I was hoping,

1186
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 4: and I'm sure it maybe will trend that direction, but

1187
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 4: I was hoping about sixty or seventy percent of the

1188
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 4: world's population was going to move into the metaverse and

1189
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: just stay in their houses, stay on their computers, become

1190
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: fat slobs, and just degrade into what it is to

1191
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: be a giant blob of cells that lives in their

1192
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: computer screen, and that they were going to leave the

1193
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: woods to me. And I still kind of have that

1194
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: hope for humanity, believe it or not, Like I hope

1195
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 4: that a certain subset of people go and pour their

1196
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: noses into their phones and into their computers so that

1197
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: I have a little bit more room to rome outside.

1198
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: Certainly seems like it's happening for a lot.

1199
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 4: It does. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's yeah. It's just

1200
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 4: that everyone has their own way of doing things and

1201
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: I don't. And I mean this, I don't want to

1202
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 4: denounce anybody else's way of doing things. But there is

1203
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 4: a right, and there is a wrong, and there is

1204
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: a way of being present. And my only criticism is

1205
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 4: if I could show you a slower, more in depth

1206
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 4: way and you have a better time in doing it,

1207
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: doesn't that maybe lend itself to being a better way

1208
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: of doing it.

1209
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: It's hard to argue.

1210
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: One element of this that I've noticed you lean into

1211
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: even on your white tail hunts, would be what happens

1212
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: after the hunt I've seen like in your recent Illinois film,

1213
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: Pretty sure you were doing this in the River's Divide,

1214
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: but like camping out, like I have a hot tent,

1215
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: and even though you're in Illinois a stent, you couldn't

1216
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: be too far from a road there, you're still camping

1217
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: out on a tent, having it as wild of an

1218
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: experience as you can have in a place like that,

1219
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: can you can you just tell me a little bit

1220
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: more about why that's been important for you, how you've

1221
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: gone about that, what's the setup you'd like to use,

1222
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Because I think a lot of people look at this

1223
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: and think, well, Okay, if I'm in Alaska or Montana,

1224
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: sure I'll do some big wild camp out. But I'm

1225
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: in Michigan, or I'm in Illinois, or I'm in Mississippi,

1226
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: you can't do that.

1227
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: But that's not true, is it.

1228
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 4: No, that's not true. And originally we started doing it

1229
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 4: because it filmed better, right we we and we weren't

1230
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 4: going out to look, this wasn't fashion. We weren't going

1231
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 4: out to film Batman here. We weren't. We didn't have

1232
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 4: a set. But we just thought, we will be more present,

1233
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: we will be better on camera. We will be dirtier,

1234
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 4: more beat up, more aware if we're if we're camping,

1235
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 4: if we're immersed in the you know. And several years ago,

1236
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 4: I drew I drew a tag in Iowa and it

1237
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: just so happened during the rock that year that it

1238
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 4: was like ten degrees and William and I were camping

1239
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 4: in Iowa. You know, Ben Harshein yep. So we were

1240
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 4: camping on Ben let us use his lease well from

1241
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 4: drawing my tagging. So we were camping on Ben Harshein's lease.

1242
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: And I was texting Mark Durry and I was sending

1243
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 4: him pictures of my downsleep bag was frozen in the morning,

1244
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 4: like covered in frost. Mike were in a we're in

1245
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 4: a seek outside tepee an hate man TP with a

1246
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 4: woodstove and the TP and Marcus texting me back. He's like, man,

1247
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 4: I have a house that's not too far from there.

1248
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: Just go stay in that house. And then he's like,

1249
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 4: you know, he's trying to find me places to stay

1250
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 4: with buddies his or or whatever. And I was like, no,

1251
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: it's not it's not the point in Illinois, and and

1252
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 4: and then one of the times we did this, and

1253
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 4: you'll see this coming out. You and I have spoken

1254
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: about the River's divide in the past. You've watched the

1255
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 4: rivers divide. Well, there's a River's divide two coming out,

1256
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,479
Speaker 4: like almost the exact same story. Cool, that's gonna come out.

1257
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 4: But this deer I arrowed him. It was like thirty

1258
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 4: twenty five or thirty below zero. I arrowed this deer,

1259
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: he's six and a half years old, and I hit

1260
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 4: him low in the brisket and it's really funny. William

1261
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 4: Altman and I were sitting up in the tree standing.

1262
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 4: We're like, you know, Williams like, did you heart punch him?

1263
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. I felt It's like

1264
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 4: a thirty five yard show. I'm like he felt really good.

1265
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: We're talking and then all of a sudden he comes

1266
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 4: running by with blood dripping out of him, dogging adult.

1267
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: We're like, nope, did not heart punch him. He is

1268
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 4: doing just fine, and if we watched him anyway, But

1269
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 4: I ended up hunting that deer for three years and

1270
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 4: killing that deer. If you recall the River's divide where

1271
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 4: Steve was standing when I killed him, this deer by

1272
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: the time I killed him would be nose and nose

1273
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: with Steve if you superimposed the two videos, which was

1274
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: funny because this deer lived like three miles from Steve

1275
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: and was rarely down by where Anyway. I tell you

1276
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 4: this because William and I camped that whole time, and

1277
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 4: there's a house that's available to us right there at

1278
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 4: the property, pot showers and everything. But we camp for

1279
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 4: like seventeen days in like negative thirty degrees, and you know,

1280
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 4: camping in that temperature is hard, like everything's frozen. You

1281
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 4: have to get up in the morning it's thirty blowszero

1282
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 4: in your tepee before you get a fire going. But

1283
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 4: it is so much more rewarding to come home, paying

1284
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 4: your bow up, take your backpack off. You know, your

1285
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 4: your senter go, you're breaking kindling, you're getting it in

1286
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 4: the We had this little titanium stove. You're getting in

1287
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 4: the stove, lighting it and you hear the aluminum or

1288
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 4: the titanium on the stove where we use this stove

1289
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 4: from a company called winter Well, they're really good. It

1290
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 4: just starts heating up and popping and then you know,

1291
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 4: like the stove pike gets red hot, the box gets

1292
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 4: red hot, and we're just you know. The beautiful thing

1293
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 4: about that is when we're in north to go to hunting,

1294
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 4: there there's a lot of firewood, and places that we've

1295
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: been in Alaska moose hunting, there's a lot of firewood.

1296
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 4: You will come to understand comfort as a as a

1297
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 4: realm of the work that you have to do to

1298
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 4: get it. And so like when you camp in a

1299
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 4: place where it is very difficult to get clean drinking water.

1300
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 4: You have to go very, very far. The next time

1301
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 4: you camp in an area where there's a crystal clear

1302
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 4: stream five yards from your tent, you will embody that

1303
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 4: so much more. When you camp in a place where

1304
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 4: you have to walk far and wide to get any

1305
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 4: sort of firewood if you're going to have a fire,

1306
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 4: the next time you camp in an area where there's

1307
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 4: copious firewood, you will feel that that reward. You will

1308
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 4: feel that, like man alive. We have so much firewood.

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 4: And several years ago, we were camping in Alaska and

1310
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 4: there's we were camping on this spruce flat and all

1311
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 4: the spruce trees, like their bottom ten branches were all

1312
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 4: dead because they're all grown together. So the trees are

1313
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 4: doing beautifully, but the bottoms were and we could just

1314
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 4: go over there with a little saw and knock it

1315
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 4: off and have like blazing fires. And it was an

1316
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 4: endless amount of fire works. Like I'll never forget that,

1317
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 4: you know. I ran out of water one time, Me

1318
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 4: and the whole crew ran out of water one time

1319
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 4: chasing this mountain caribou in the Northwest Territories, and we're

1320
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 4: so dry, like you couldn't even lick your lips because

1321
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 4: your tongue would stick to it like you could peel

1322
01:10:48,880 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 4: your tongue off. One of the guys that was working

1323
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 4: for me, Chris Kirkby, is a brilliant man. He's such

1324
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 4: a wonderful guy. He doesn't work for us anymore. He's

1325
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 4: such an awesome dude. He peed in his water bottle

1326
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: because he thought he was gonna have to drink his

1327
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 4: own pea later on that day, and he became so

1328
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 4: dehydrated that he couldn't walk. He kept he basically fell

1329
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 4: down the mountain. For us to get down, I carried

1330
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 4: his backpack, so I double backpacks on. William carried all

1331
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 4: of his camera gear and he just kind of like

1332
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 4: figures his way down. But when we got to the

1333
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 4: bottom of the hill, we were going through the forest

1334
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 4: and mark we came upout this little It was a

1335
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 4: spring coming up out of the ground. It was only

1336
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 4: about two or three inches deep as crystal clear, ice cold.

1337
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 4: The bottom was muddy, so we to be very careful.

1338
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 4: We sat, we saw this thing, and the three of

1339
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: us sat there and we'd fill up a bottle a

1340
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 4: little bit, and we let Chris drink it down and

1341
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 4: then it was, to this day, probably the most rewarding

1342
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 4: thing I've ever drank or eaten in my entire life.

1343
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 4: And so when we're camping, when we have moments like that,

1344
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 4: if I come over to your house tonight and your

1345
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 4: wife makes homemade pizza and you and I sit and

1346
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 4: have homemade pizza, like that's not lost on me. Man.

1347
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 4: Like I've been hungry, really hungry, and I've served long,

1348
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 4: far and wide for drinking water and for firewood and

1349
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 4: for animals, and I've walked into all my toenails have

1350
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 4: fallen off, and I've I've been so cold and so beaten.

1351
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 4: I've been so cold before that, I was certain that

1352
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to live this night. And I sat

1353
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 4: down and talked to my good friend Frank Harris. I

1354
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 4: was like, hey, man, I think we're gonna lose our

1355
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 4: lives tonight. I just want to tell you like I

1356
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 4: love you, like I don't regret a thing that we've

1357
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 4: done today. Like we're very far from our tent. It's raining,

1358
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 4: it's hailing. We're in the Chucatch Mountains of Alaska. I

1359
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 4: couldn't feel my legs anymore. He couldn't feel his legs.

1360
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 4: The only thing that I could feel, and I'm not

1361
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 4: trying to be gross here, I could feel water dripping

1362
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 4: off of my testicles. That's the only thing that I

1363
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 4: could feel was when water would run down my back,

1364
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 4: I could feel it dripping off my testicles. And like

1365
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 4: we were going to lose our lives that night. And

1366
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 4: we made a grave mistake, a terrible mistake of we

1367
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 4: hiked a very very long way from camp without rein

1368
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 4: gear and we got caught in a blizzard slash rain.

1369
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 4: And then Frank said to me like, hey, you see that.

1370
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 4: He was a super tough, macho guy. And he's like,

1371
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: you see that rock up there And I said yeah,

1372
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 4: and he's like, I bet you can't walk to that rock.

1373
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 4: And we did that for about eleven miles until we

1374
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 4: got to our tent and we actually made it that night.

1375
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 4: So these experiences that I've had, I've been in the

1376
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 4: Bearing Sea, where I thought during the Winds of Adac,

1377
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 4: the film that we did for Benelling Colin, like William Oltman,

1378
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 4: myself another gentleman, and then the two captains on the boat,

1379
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 4: I I felt you it was about fifty to fifty

1380
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 4: that we are all going to lose our lives that

1381
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 4: night in a storm. And so I hate to say

1382
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 4: it like this, but that's why I camp. Because when

1383
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: you camp, when you listen to you know, in that

1384
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 4: piece that we filmed, the coyotes were howling all around

1385
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 4: us that night, Like you can't experience that in a house,

1386
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 4: Like that's not gonna work. And then hanging the deer

1387
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 4: in that in that big silver maple and having a

1388
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 4: fire at night cooking the deer like that is just cool.

1389
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 4: It's just the right way. Yeah.

1390
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you've mentioned a handful of different ways that

1391
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: we could try to go about things in a different way.

1392
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: We've talked about camping out. We've talked about, you know,

1393
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 2: using more primitive weapon. We've talked about maybe stepping away

1394
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: from from our cameras to some degree, at least changing

1395
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: a little bit there. We've talked about, you know, maybe

1396
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 2: setting aside our phone limiting distractions. Are there any other

1397
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: really transformative ways that you're putting this into action in

1398
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 2: your own life with your hunts? Are there any other

1399
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: parts of this that other folks could consider, Like, I

1400
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 2: gotta believe this is going to be resonating to a

1401
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 2: lot of folks. These types of conversations keep popping up,

1402
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: but people always like, well, how what, what was it?

1403
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 3: What does it take?

1404
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: What are there any other things that you would, you know,

1405
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 2: want someone to take away from this conversation in ways

1406
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: that they can reconnect with with the way the old

1407
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: boys did it a little bit more.

1408
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 4: I'll say two things. One thing, I want to take

1409
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 4: a little dive back into gear because this was something

1410
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 4: that occurred to me last year. I didn't realize it

1411
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:57,440
Speaker 4: until I did it, But so I met some engineers

1412
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 4: from a company called Q It's a rifle company out

1413
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 4: in New Hampshire. I don't know if you saw the

1414
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: photos from my caribou hunt last year Mark in Alaska,

1415
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 4: but I'd killed my caribou with this very technological looking rifle.

1416
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 4: Had a silencer. I'd never shot a rifle of silence

1417
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 4: around it before, had a rail like you would see

1418
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 4: on a military gun, ar platform, foldable stock. Not anything

1419
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 4: I would ever shoot, like the opposite of what I

1420
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 4: enjoy shooting. But I met these engineers at Q and

1421
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: they invited me out to come out to New Hampshire

1422
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 4: where their companies and build to a gun build. I

1423
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 4: was like, oh yeah, okay, I'll do that. It's kind

1424
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 4: of cool. So I went out there and built this gun.

1425
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 4: I tell you all this because I ended up taking

1426
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 4: that gun to Alaska, and for no other reason than

1427
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 4: they kind of dared me too, because I sat in

1428
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: their offices and talked to their engineers and met their

1429
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 4: owner and met their CEO and the presidents, and and

1430
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 4: I was like, this is this gun isn't for me,

1431
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 4: this is this is not the type weapon for me.

1432
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 4: I ended up taking this technologically advanced gun and on

1433
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 4: this hunt, and I started to realize all these little

1434
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 4: intrinsic pieces, like how the gun carried when I was

1435
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 4: in really serious bear country, how I was able to

1436
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: go through the alders with this AR platform. It was

1437
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 4: apparent to me because I've never served in the military,

1438
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 4: Its apparent to me now why our soldiers shoot an

1439
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 4: AR platform, both for the grip, safety, all this stuff.

1440
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 4: When I shot my caribou, I took the longest shot

1441
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 4: I've ever taken on my life at an animals three

1442
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 4: hundred and forty yards, and I stuffed the magazine while

1443
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 4: into my backpack, and it was way more solid than

1444
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 4: just resting my rifle on the backpack. These are little

1445
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: things that really spoke to me. But in doing this,

1446
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 4: I kept looking at this rifle and thinking, this isn't

1447
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 4: me at all, but I very much enjoyed hunting with

1448
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 4: this rifle, and in that this is silly to even

1449
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: admit this, but in that I realized, it's not what

1450
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 4: you're hunting necessarily, it's how you're hunting. And so if

1451
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 4: you you know, we all choose different weapons, Like I

1452
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 4: shot that deer with the muzzloorder. There are a lot

1453
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 4: of very fancy muzzlelolders out there right now that company

1454
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 4: Woodman Arms or Woodman Arms out of I think they're

1455
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 4: out of New Hampshire. To me, they build the most

1456
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 4: incredible muzzle around the market, this little petite thing that's

1457
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 4: for carrying and for shooting. They shoot beautifully, they're super accurate,

1458
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 4: they look like they're built in nineteen seventy five, and

1459
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: they're just absolutely stunning. And to me, when I'm holding

1460
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 4: that gun, it's really charming and really rewarding and looks

1461
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 4: the part. But then I also ran into that when

1462
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 4: I was holding this queue when I was in Alaska,

1463
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 4: and I realized, like, this is a really cool platform

1464
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 4: hunt with as well for different reasons, and so I

1465
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 4: think people don't put enough stock in their mindset. Much

1466
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 4: like I used to say, to experience fantastic things, you

1467
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 4: had to go to fantastic places. Well, there's people out

1468
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 4: there that are like, I can't go to the Arctic Circle,

1469
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 4: and they're wrong. They can, but they're like, I can't

1470
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 4: go to the Artic Circle. It's expensive and it's not

1471
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 4: actually as expensive as they think, but like it's scary,

1472
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 4: and it is scary. The weather will kill you, the

1473
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 4: bears will kill you, the airplane crashes will kill you.

1474
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 4: But you know, they can go do these adventures. And

1475
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 4: so one of the things that I realized is you

1476
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 4: don't have to go to the Arctic Circle to hunt.

1477
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 4: Like you're in the Arctic Circle. You and I, through

1478
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 4: mindset and through adventure, could go camping in Illinois and

1479
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 4: go or Iowa or Wisconsin and go on a squirrel hunt.

1480
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 4: We could go on an October squirrel hunt and still

1481
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 4: appreciate the leaves, changing still appreciate seeing a big, plump,

1482
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 4: heavy hooked buck slipping through the trees while we're squirrel

1483
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 4: hunting and shooting some squirrels and you know, and picking

1484
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 4: some berries and going back to the camp and having

1485
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 4: a fantastic dinner and having a very rewarding adventure hunt

1486
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 4: kind of a big adventure hunt in somebody's proverbial backyard.

1487
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 4: So I think mindset is something that's very, very important.

1488
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 4: But beyond that, I just think that if people go

1489
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 4: to go do things that they've never done before. Go

1490
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 4: go on a go on a wilderness hunt for elk

1491
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 4: or moose or caribou, or go on a wilderness white

1492
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 4: til deer hunt, or get out, go to someplace that

1493
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 4: is just a little bit further out, go camping, don't

1494
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 4: don't put much stock in the size of the antlers,

1495
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 4: or you know, go on a doll hunt, even even

1496
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: get together with your bodies and go dough hunting and

1497
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 4: remove the remove the stress of the antlers, and say, hey,

1498
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 4: we're gonna go onto this. We're gonna go on the

1499
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 4: state land. We're each gonna we're gonna draw an area

1500
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 4: out of the hat, and whatever you deal with you

1501
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: have to deal with. If you drew the area where

1502
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of duck hunters, you have to deal

1503
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 4: with the duck hunters, or you have to canoe it

1504
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: or whatever and just get back to either hunting by

1505
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 4: yourself or hunting with your body's hunting with your family

1506
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 4: and kind of like taking a step back man and

1507
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 4: looking at you know. We talked about the gear, We

1508
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 4: talked about the the end result, like the size of

1509
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 4: the animals, but really like, uh, what about the story?

1510
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 4: What happened? Like what what what went down? And like

1511
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 4: I shot this caribou last year. It's probably the biggest

1512
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 4: cariboo I've ever shot in my life. And I've probably

1513
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 4: shot I don't know, eight to ten cariboo. It's probably

1514
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 4: the biggest caribou body I've ever shot my life. The

1515
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,879
Speaker 4: bowl was very, very old, just basically had hockey sticks or antlers,

1516
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 4: but he had really big cool fronts. But like when

1517
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 4: I got back into Camp Main camp, like a couple

1518
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 4: of the guys had shot like Boone and Crockett bulls,

1519
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 4: and like when I brought my bull on, they were

1520
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 4: kind of like whoa, Like you shot that, and like

1521
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 4: you know, but you know you didn't want to hold

1522
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 4: out for a big Well, first of all, I shot

1523
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 4: I shot this ball on the last day. I hiked

1524
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 4: my face off looking for I'm mature bull that had

1525
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 4: a really big, handsome rack and was heavy, hooked with

1526
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 4: lots of good meat. I've got four pounds of hamburger

1527
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 4: thowing right now on the counter from him, and which

1528
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: is fantastic. Yeah, it's really good. But that is like

1529
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: that bull was running an entire harem of cows. He

1530
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 4: had pushed them to the top. He was in cheap country.

1531
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 4: He pushed him to the tippity top of his mount

1532
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 4: We hiked up there and I killed him, and it

1533
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 4: was just so amazing. And I lost my dad last year.

1534
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 4: I lost my dad in March last year. And so

1535
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 4: I was sitting at this bull. I appreciate that, but

1536
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 4: I'll sit at this bowl like like I just started, like,

1537
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 4: you know, tearing up, and I was thinking about my dad,

1538
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 4: and it was just like, yeah, it wasn't the biggest

1539
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 4: antler bowl in the world. It probably was the biggest

1540
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 4: bodied bull I ever shot. But I left there like

1541
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 4: unbelievably fulfilled and unbelievably happy. And even if I didn't

1542
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 4: kill that bull, I would have left there with a heart.

1543
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 4: That was because I took my little one person hill

1544
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 4: aberg tents camped at a mountain pass. I was camped

1545
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 4: right next to this these legacy grizzly bear brown bear

1546
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 4: tracks where they step into the same footprint.

1547
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: I saw those last year on Admiralty Islands, a very

1548
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 2: different place, but yes, I've seen it.

1549
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 4: Does that not freak you out?

1550
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: Amazing?

1551
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: Like they're right right next to my tent and it

1552
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 4: was cool. It's like, right next to my tent, there's

1553
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 4: a caribou one that they've been walking in for a

1554
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 4: million years, and here's the brown bear one. Like I

1555
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 4: can literally see front pad, backpad, front pad, backpad, and

1556
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 4: I can even see like I could go up to

1557
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 4: these rock outcroppings where the snow cross over and I

1558
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: know they dend there, and I'll go up there and

1559
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 4: look and like there's like I can literally see somebody

1560
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 4: dens there every year and I can see their footprints.

1561
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,440
Speaker 4: They've been doing it for ten thousand years. Man, And like, yeah,

1562
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 4: whether I killed the bowl or not, I'm looking at

1563
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 4: all this stuff. I'm washing the weather, I'm watching my

1564
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 4: buddy come in and land is supercouver where he probably

1565
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 4: shouldn't be landing a super cop picking me up and

1566
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 4: dropping off the end of them mout like it was

1567
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 4: just that's why I hunt man, that that I want

1568
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 4: to share it with you. That's My biggest bane mark

1569
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: is I want to share with you. I want to

1570
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 4: share it with the guy down the street. I like,

1571
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 4: if I was a billionaire, I would do exactly what

1572
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing for work right now. It's just that I

1573
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 4: would take people with me.

1574
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1575
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I share it because that, I think is one

1576
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 4: of the next levels. It's mentoring somebody. Like I didn't

1577
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 4: kill a turkey this year. I just brought kids turkey hunting,

1578
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 4: and uh man, that was awesome, so awesome.

1579
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 3: That's so cool.

1580
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: I think like this is a perfect place to kind

1581
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: of tie a bow on things. And I love this

1582
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: kind of There's there's a number of different ways of

1583
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: doing this, but everything drills down to reconnecting more closely

1584
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: with the place, with the people, with the animal, with

1585
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 2: the experience. And you can do that vie removing all

1586
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: these different barriers, whether that be technology, whether that be

1587
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: where you stay, whether that be mindset. But there's you

1588
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: know this, this is this is an opportunity available to anyone,

1589
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: whether you can travel to a fantastic place or not,

1590
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 2: whether you have a lot of money or not. I

1591
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: think that's a really important thing to remember.

1592
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: That's right.

1593
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got I've got just a couple of really

1594
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: quick questions for you.

1595
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1596
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 2: Number one, you talked early on in the very beginning

1597
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: about some of these books that inspired you. Do you

1598
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 2: remember the name of any of these books or a

1599
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: book that would be one you'd recommend us seek out

1600
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: and try to find for some of this kind of

1601
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: wilderness old school inspiration to any standout still in your memory?

1602
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have. That's really funny. The most

1603
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 4: inspiring book I have is literally right behind me, and

1604
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 4: I've kept it all these years. It's called The Big

1605
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 4: Game Animals of North America by Jack O'Connor, and it

1606
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 4: just was in each chapter as a painting. So it

1607
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 4: opens up with a particular animal, then as a painting

1608
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 4: of the animal, and then he goes on to tell

1609
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 4: you the story of hunting the animals, and then after

1610
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 4: the hunt he describes the natural history. And so I

1611
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 4: don't even know if that's why I became a biologist.

1612
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't even know if that's why the biology of

1613
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 4: the animal is so important to me. But that's how

1614
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 4: that book is laid out, and I absolutely love it.

1615
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 4: Most of Jack O'Connor's books, Sheep and Sheep, Hunting, Desert Sheep,

1616
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 4: Animals of the Desert. All those books are very inspiring

1617
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: to me. And you and I have talked about this before.

1618
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 4: I think before any hunter passes their hunter safety they

1619
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 4: should have to read Elder Leopold San County Almanac, Like

1620
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 4: that should be a prerequisite. I just had a friend

1621
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 4: read it, a young man, he's probably twenty five, twenty eight.

1622
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 4: He lives in South Dakota. He's a rancher in South Dakota.

1623
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 4: He read it and he's like, I'm totally changing how

1624
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 4: I set up my properties. He's going away from food

1625
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 4: plots and going to not going away from food plots.

1626
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 4: He's setting up more natural food areas. He's setting up

1627
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 4: he's doing more grasses, he's doing more edge habitat, he's

1628
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 4: doing things for wildlife, Yes, more things for wildlife. And

1629
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 4: so Elder Leopold books, Jack O'Connor's books, I think that

1630
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 4: stuff is And then you know, even the old school.

1631
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 4: Have you seen the new field and streams that are

1632
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 4: coming out? Yeah, they're great, Yeah, really well at don

1633
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 4: and so like anytime you can jump on those old

1634
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: pens and have an understanding of how those guys saw

1635
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,520
Speaker 4: wild places, I think is very popular.

1636
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more with you on that stuff. Okay, finally,

1637
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 2: can you give us the scoop on on what's to

1638
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: come with your films and your content? Where can people

1639
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: see what you have out there already? How can they

1640
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: connect with you and make sure they can see what's coming.

1641
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 4: So search for Donnie Vincent on YouTube, subscribe and follow

1642
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 4: us there. That's where new work is going to be

1643
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 4: coming out. We have two film series that we're launching.

1644
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 4: Three film series. Actually, one is Unfiltered, which you just

1645
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 4: saw on an episode of the on the Illinois Buzzlutterbuck.

1646
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 4: The next one is Fantastic Places, basically fifteen to eighteen

1647
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 4: films that we have done that we have filmed over

1648
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 4: the last fourteen years. They're already filmed, they're already in

1649
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 4: the can. We're editing and editing them now. The first episode,

1650
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 4: which is an archery dollshy Punt, is coming out probably

1651
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 4: in two weeks. It's probably thirty five minutes long something

1652
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 4: like that, which is really fun. I sit down in

1653
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 4: this cabin and I kind of tell the story. If

1654
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 4: you've ever seen like True Detective with Matthew McConaughey, I

1655
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 4: sit down and kind of retell the story in a chair,

1656
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 4: and then we caught the old footage that was shot

1657
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 4: back then and then old interviews back then. That's fantastic places.

1658
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 4: And then we have basically what is going to be

1659
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 4: our new film series, which is just things that are

1660
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 4: currently happening and so we're putting together. If you've watched

1661
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 4: our film The Other Side, which was a film about

1662
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 4: multi will bear hunts, uh, this is going to kind

1663
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 4: of be like the Other Side part too, but it's

1664
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 4: going to be all about Cariboo and different character hunts

1665
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 4: and the backbone of it. It's going to be my

1666
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 4: latest my last two caribou hunts in Alaska that I've

1667
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 4: done in the Alaska Peninsula, but it's going to be

1668
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 4: Embody Mount Cariboo, Woodland Cariboo, Caribou in the Arctic Circle

1669
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 4: and all the different places that I've that I've wanted character.

1670
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 4: So wow, Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of work

1671
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 4: coming out, and yeah, there's there's going to be quite

1672
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 4: a we we've taken quite a hiatus from putting films

1673
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 4: together because our commercial business gets quite busy. But somehow

1674
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 4: we're finding by managing our time a little bit more efficiently.

1675
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 4: We're finding time to do both.

1676
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: That's great, That's that's exciting. I can't wait to see

1677
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 2: all that. I I appreciate you, know everything you've done

1678
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,480
Speaker 2: over the years down and you've been saying. A phenomenal

1679
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 2: storyteller and and inspiration.

1680
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 4: And and and a role model.

1681
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: I think of sort for folks as as a way

1682
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 2: of doing this a little bit differently than maybe what

1683
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: we'll see everywhere else. So thank you, thank you for that,

1684
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: and thanks for this conversation.

1685
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Mark, I appreciate it. And hopefully you don't

1686
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 4: wait so long to do the next one.

1687
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 3: I don't plan on it right on.

1688
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 4: Thanks man, all right, and that's going to.

1689
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: Wrap it up for us today. Thank you for joining me.

1690
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here for this conversation. And until

1691
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: next time, stay wired to hunt.