1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: Many years ago, I was investigating one of America's most 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: notorious haunted prisons, Eastern State Penitentiary. I was using a 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: laser grid down one of the corridors, and as I 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: sat and waited, a shadow figure moved into the laser grid. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: If a live person walks into the path of a laser, 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: you see them, You see the pinpoint of the laser 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: on their person. But for some reason, when a shadow 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: figure walks into the laser grid, the laser points disappear, 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: leaving a perfect outline. I have no idea why this happens, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: but it's why I enjoy using this piece of equipment 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: so much so. In this case, I watched for quite 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: some time as this shadow person walked in and out 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: of my laser. I tried talking to them, tried calling out, 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: but they never seemed to even notice I was there. 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 2: It made me wonder who haunts prisons? Why on earth 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: would anyone decide to stay here, assuming they have some 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: sort of free will. 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, let's discuss that. 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: And many other things as we visit another of America's 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: very haunted prisons, the Brushy Mountain Penitentiary. I'm Amy Brunei, 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: and this is haunted road. Picture a historic prison, one 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: with dingy hallways lined with barred cells, a courtyard surrounded 25 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: by a stone wall, and a constant, pervasive threat of 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: violence that hangs over the facility. It's likely that the 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: place you're imagining bears a striking resemblance to the Brushy 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: Mountain State Penitentiary. It's a Gothic Revival style abandoned prison 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: in Petros, Tennessee. That's a small town of a five 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: hundred people, which sits roughly an hour outside of Knoxville 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: by car. The four story building is topped with battlements 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: and laid out in the shape of a Celtic cross 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: man hunt in the mountains. James Earl Ray and the 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: Brushy Mountain Prison Breakout of nineteen seventy seven described it 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: as quote looking like a castle from the dark ages. 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: The walls are scarred with graffiti, including tally marks left 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: by inmates who had nothing to do but count the days. Today, 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: visitors can wander through the former cell blocks, gymnasium, cafeteria, 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: and gym, which remain largely unchanged since the penitentiary was 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: first built. Guests can also see the hole or the 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: solitary confinement area in the basement's laundry room. Five cells 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: sit in darkness with no window to let in the 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: faintest hint of sunlight. There are also no toilets in 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: the hole, just a bucket. On the exterior, Visitors may 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: be surprised to see that the prison yard only has 46 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: man made walls on three sides. According to Judah Chefs, 47 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: who wrote Coal Cage's Crisis, The Arise of the Prison 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: Economy in Central Appalachia, the unscalable Frozen Head Mountain itself 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: ensures that no one can leave on the fourth side. 50 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: The penitentiary was built in eighteen ninety six. At the time, 51 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: it was only the second state prison in all of Tennessee, 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: and there was a large demand for a new facility. 53 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: This was particularly true because of the so called Black Codes. 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: According to Tim Murphy of Discover America, at that time, 55 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: there were a large number of racially motivated arrests, all 56 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: part of an effort to intimidate and disenfranchise black Americans. 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: Police would charge countless black people with minor offenses, just 58 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: so they'd have an excuse to throw them behind bars. 59 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: Sure enough, by eighteen ninety eight, eighty four percent of 60 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: the inmates at Brushy Mountain Penitentiary were black. But there 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: was another reason that Tennis needed a new facility, because 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: incarcerated people could be put to work for low wages, 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: and so the detention center was built very near a 64 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: state run coal mine. This allowed officials to exploit the laborers, 65 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: paying them very little for the dangerous, difficult work that 66 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: they did. Every year, the inmates successfully extracted about three 67 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand pounds of coal, and Tennessee profited 68 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: handsomely from their work. The arrangement also helped the state 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: deal with overcrowding. At one point, officials roughly doubled the 70 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: prison's capacity. They achieved this by forcing some of the 71 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: inmates to work twelve hour shifts during the day while 72 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: others worked twelve hours at night. That way, they could 73 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: assign two men to each bed. Now mining work was dangerous. 74 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: In his book, Tim Schef noted that the shafts near 75 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: Brushy Mountain had especially high concentrations of methane. It was 76 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: almost routine for the work sites to explode code, killing inmates, 77 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 2: and if an incarcerated person refused to perform the life 78 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: threatening tasks, they were often punished with beatings. The prisoners 79 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: worked in the mines until nineteen sixty six, when the 80 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: coal extraction program was shut down. An article with the 81 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: Clarksville Leaf Chronicles cited several factors that played into this decision. First, 82 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: state officials had finally concluded that the work was dangerous 83 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: and detrimental to their goals of rehabilitating convicted people. But 84 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: perhaps just as importantly, the mountain's coal reserves were running 85 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: low and there was no more profit in the work program. 86 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: So from that point onward, Rushy Mountain State Penitentiary operated 87 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: like a more traditional prison. Researchers have identified some of 88 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: the spirits within Brushy Mountain, including one that may be 89 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: James Earl Ray. When researchers went to his former cell 90 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: and played a clip of Martin Luther King Junior's I 91 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: have a dream speech, they heard a disc embodied voice 92 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: respond it said hush. And Jack Jett, who was stabbed 93 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: to death outside the gym, is also said to still 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: linger near the place where he died. When people stop by, 95 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: they often feel a sudden sensation of dread, as reported 96 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: on fright find. It's also quite common for the temperature 97 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: there to drop with no warning. Fright Find also reports 98 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: that some people have seen the receiver on the nearby 99 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: payphone lift off the hook on its own than hang. 100 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Itself back up. 101 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: There are also reports of a ghost known as Waterhead. 102 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: Lucas Lawson wrote in A Haunted Place that Waterhead may 103 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: have been a former incarcerated kitchen worker. He's often spotted 104 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: in the cafeteria. That book also described another pair of spirits, 105 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: James and Leroy. James tends to stay in the Sea block, 106 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: but apparently if someone offers the specter a cigarette he'll 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: smoke it. Leroy sticks more to the D block and 108 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: is said to be more attention seeking. Researchers have heard 109 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: a voice saying Leroy and often catch him following them 110 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: through the facility. There's also a female spirit who roams 111 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: through the courtyard, Bonnie. No one is entirely sure who 112 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: she is or how she came to haunt the building. 113 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: Dale Kasmarek of the Ghost Research Facility noted that the 114 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: penitentiary never housed women, however she came to be there. 115 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: Kelly Ryankey of WATE claims that Bonnie seems to especially 116 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: love music. If anyone plays a tune, she'll dance along 117 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: with it. Like many haunted locations, the Brushy Mountain State 118 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: Penitentiary is also a hot spot for shadow figures, disembodied growls, 119 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: voices and footsteps, and incidents where visitors feel someone pushing 120 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: or scratching them. In some cases, these encounters draw blood. 121 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: The prison's chapel and the whole are especially spiritually active. 122 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: The chapel is often full of cold spots, and researchers 123 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: have captured EVPs of religiously charged language that talk about 124 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: hell and pain. Freightfeind also notes that objects often move 125 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: on their own there. As for the whole, guests report 126 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: the sound of pigs in its confines. Ryan Willis of 127 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: Knox News speculated that these noises have a religious significance. 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: One Bible story describes Jesus sending a legion of demons 129 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 2: into a group of pigs. It's unclear how that connects 130 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: to the solitary confinement cells, but the eerie sounds are 131 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: hard to explain any other way. In order to better 132 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: understand the Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary's secrets. I am talking 133 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: with Jamie Brock coming up next. Now, Jamie's family goes 134 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: back to the land before the penitentiary was ever even built, 135 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: and she's been there for quite some time. She's got 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: some really great stories to share with us, So stick around. 137 00:08:53,640 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: We'll get to that right after the break, all right. 138 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: So I am now joined by Jamie Brock, who the 139 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: entire world told me she was the person I needed 140 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: to talk to when it came to Brushy Mountain. So 141 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on the program. This 142 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: has been kind of a trend this season is that 143 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: I seem to be covering a lot of locations I 144 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: haven't been to. It's just been very exciting for me 145 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: because I've been to so many places, but this season 146 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: we just kind of really went outside the box. So 147 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: I feel like I've been there at this point, but 148 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: I think I really need to go. There is sore, 149 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: I know, So tell me please. 150 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: How did you become affiliated with the property. 151 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: So my family was original owners of the property, so 152 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: we signed this over in eighteen ninety four and they 153 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: built the prison in eighteen ninety five, and so it 154 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: was written in the least agreement that the family could 155 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: always work here, questions ask, and the state of Tennessee 156 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 3: honored that, and so we've always been here linked somehow. 157 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: And so these guys that's doing this now with the 158 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: distillery and everything that they're doing now has just kept 159 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: us involved. Oversee the prison for them, and my son 160 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: is their master distiller, so they still have the family 161 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: here and have us involved. 162 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: Oh. 163 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: I love that. 164 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: I love when there's like a family connection to a 165 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: location because it just means that I think that your 166 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: heart is probably in it, you know, one hundred percent. 167 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a little I'm a little partial to this place. 168 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: I try to stay in my lane as much as possible, 169 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: but it's my baby. I've got a special place for it. 170 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: And that's kind of how I got linked in. 171 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: You know. 172 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: I was going to other locations and doing my little 173 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: ghost hunts and stuff there. But once this shut down, 174 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: we immediately came in. We had family with keys, so 175 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: of course we came in and done our little thing. 176 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: And so we've been here since oh nine doing it. 177 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: I think that's great. You know, some people inherit castles 178 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: or keys to keys to mansions. You've got keys to 179 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: a really cool penitentiary. Which I'm pretty jealous of, to 180 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: be honest. So along those lines, like, obviously you knew 181 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: about you know, you've known about the location and what's 182 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: gone on there, like historically speaking, when you went in 183 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: there in two thousand and nine and you were like, 184 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: I want to do the paranormal tours, how did you 185 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: know it was haunted? Like had you heard stories coming 186 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: out of it when it was in operation? 187 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were always told crazy just off the wall 188 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: horror stories. Was always we always heard those stories growing up, 189 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: but you know it was the of course, we always thought, 190 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: you know, they're making that up. That's a little you know, 191 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: they're trying to scare us, you know. But once I 192 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 3: got in here, though, and I started going through ledgers 193 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: and finding everything, Yeah, they probably sugarcoated that a little bit. 194 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: It was. It was every bit as bad as they 195 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: said it was. And then some. 196 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: It sounds like it like I've gone into the history 197 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: a bit and it sounds like it, which would which 198 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: would explain I think why there's activity there when it 199 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: was in operation. Did employees or inmates did they report 200 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: paranormal happenings? 201 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 202 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: Now the inmates especially that come back and do our 203 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: day tours or you know, sometimes they'll just come back 204 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: for a visit and do a walk through and they'll 205 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: report things that they witnessed well while they're you know, 206 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: like they've reported a period dressed inmate on a bloc 207 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 3: side that looks like he was a coal miner, you 208 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 3: know that, but he's in his stripes, but he's dirty. 209 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: They described him that like that walking in D Block. 210 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: They you know, they've come back. Those cells are really 211 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: small and D blocking, and we've only got one bunk 212 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: in him. Now originally there would have been two bunks 213 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: in each cell, but these, you know, like one story 214 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: that sticks out. We had an inmate that came back 215 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: and he's a preacher today and he you know, he 216 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: just come back and asked me what all we caught there, 217 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: and he just broke down and started crying. You know, 218 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: he was like, my religion tells me I'm not supposed 219 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: to believe in this and or this isn't supposed to 220 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: be this way, but I know what I witnessed. I 221 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: know what I've seen every day. And he talked about 222 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 3: like shadow figures coming and going through his cell where 223 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: D Block sets though it set where the original wooden 224 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: structure set, So I think a lot of that may 225 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: be residual in there, although we do tend to get 226 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: some intelligent stuff that comes through from time to time, 227 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: but you know, but for the most part, it's like, 228 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: you know, they're just passing, passing through. 229 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, It's funny whenever I investigate, obviously, I 230 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: find myself investigating a lot of prisons and penitentiaries, and 231 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: one of the things I do going in is I never, 232 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: you know, pass judgment on whoever I'm encountering. Like, you know, 233 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm speaking to people I can't see, and I never 234 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: assume why they're there or what their history was. And 235 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: you know, I think sometimes people go in with preconceived 236 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: notions of who they're talking to. They assume every inmate 237 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: is like a terrible person, which is so far from 238 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: the truth exactly. And so I can't imagine, you know, 239 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: being in that situation as an inmate and experiencing, you know, 240 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: things that are paranormal in nature and you know, potentially 241 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: terrifying and things that you can't understand, and probably not 242 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: really having anyone to turn to to talk about it. 243 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: So I feel like that's why that man probably got 244 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: so emotional yeah. 245 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that, you know, when we first started 246 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: coming in here, we were a little probably a lot 247 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: out of line when he come to that, Like we 248 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: would try to provoke to get you know, some activity, 249 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: but it always seemed to us like when we were 250 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: doing that, we were we would just shut it down. 251 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: You know. It was like, yeah, you know, you're not 252 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: going to disrespect me, and you know or whatnot. But 253 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: one night we were we were just sitting there and 254 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: we were like, you know, we know you're here. You know, 255 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: we know you're here. We know you have a story 256 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: to tell if you'll just you know, give us a something. 257 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: They were interacting, but it was just like we could 258 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: only get so much. And then once we did that, 259 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: it was like the gates opened up. It was like, 260 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: you know, we started getting we'd catch numbers on our 261 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: EVPs and stuff, and we'd get to looking at that 262 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: and a lot of times it would be like an 263 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: inmate number, or it could be a date or whatever. 264 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: But you know, as time went on, we noticed that 265 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: with these men here, we did have the worst of 266 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: the worst that came through here. So we had some 267 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: really nasty individuals that came through this prison. But in 268 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: the very beginning that really wasn't the case. What we're 269 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: finding is a lot of them were put in here 270 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: for things like cussing and drinking and dancing, you know, 271 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: and they've lost their life while here, you know. So 272 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: you know, and so I tell everyone respect, respect these men. 273 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: And not only that, but the prison itself is built 274 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: in the shape of an upside down cross, which they 275 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,119 Speaker 3: did on purpose to send a message these men were unworthy. 276 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: And in our cemetery, We've got over two thousand graves 277 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: here in our cemetery. But they buried them like which 278 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: in today's world maybe it wouldn't be such a huge deal, 279 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: but you know, back in the day, it would have 280 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: been a really big deal. But these men Christians bury 281 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: their dead face in the east and they buried or 282 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: dead to the west, so they even judged them, you know. 283 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of reasons for unrest here. You know. 284 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: It's a lot went on. 285 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: I mean, and if you think about it too, like 286 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: in life, and I think we all make that mistake 287 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: sometimes when we like I've definitely done that where I've 288 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: been in a place where I just kind of assumed 289 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: I knew who I was talking to and I've definitely 290 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: said things and like, but then you come to that realization, 291 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: you know, was the saying you get more bees or 292 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: flies with honey, whatever it is, you know. But I 293 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: also find so many times, just in my investigations that 294 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: the way people are handled after death like it when 295 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: it comes. I can't tell you how many spirits I 296 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: have investigated because because they were upset with the way 297 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: they were treated after death, like either they weren't buried 298 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: when they wanted to be, or they weren't cremated when 299 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: they wanted to be, or their headstone is incorrect, or 300 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: they're you know, buried in the wrong place or and like, 301 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: so it's surprising how important that is to people, and 302 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: then to have that happen in the cemetery, like you're 303 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: not worthy. 304 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: We're not even going to bury you. 305 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: You know, anyone who was religious, they would they're buried 306 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: the wrong direction. They've already probably had so much you know, reflection, 307 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: they've been in jail for however long. I can just 308 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: see why that would cause issues. That's fascinating. 309 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we tell everyone that comes through, don't 310 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: just focus on the prison itself, because this was Native 311 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: American land before my family had it, and so we 312 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: get a huge amount of that that comes through, so, 313 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 3: you know, and I think a lot. Sometimes there's a 314 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 3: lot that's coming through, you know that people are getting 315 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: with that. So there's just been a lot that's happened 316 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: here on this property. 317 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. 318 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: When I was digging into the history, I was like, man, 319 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: I can't believe I've never been to this place. But 320 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: also it has closed, you know, fairly recently two thousand 321 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: and nine, and the grand scheme of things is pretty recent. 322 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: And I do love that it's kind of surviving in 323 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: the functions that it is, just because I think it's 324 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: really important these buildings kind of stay around for historic sense, 325 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: whether you believe in ghosts or not. So when you 326 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: get in there, it's two thousand and nine or whenever 327 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: you get in there, like, what was the first thing 328 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: that happened there that you went, oh my gosh, this 329 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: place is haunted. 330 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, what was the first there. 331 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: Was so much or the most memorable. 332 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: Probably the most memorable. 333 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: Really, we we get one here we call Bonnie at 334 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: the female We didn't house women here, but we have 335 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: found a Bonnie in our family tree. 336 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: So we think that's who it is. She's young, but 337 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: she's one of the most vocal. We capture her a 338 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: whole lot here. She you know, you may get her 339 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: crying or giggling, and she likes to touch, loves music. 340 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: But we kept getting her, and we really there was 341 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: no story for her. But as time went on and 342 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: we started bumping into old guards that worked here and 343 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: things that they got to ask, they were like, have 344 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: you caught the woman yet? You know, there's a woman 345 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: in the courtyard and so, but we had captured her 346 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: a numerous times. But she's playful, young, and so that 347 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: was probably the one that stands out the most to me. 348 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: But then and probably it would be D Block, we 349 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: started getting something really nasty out of D Block, until 350 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: to this day we get that. We actually shut d 351 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: Block down for about two years. It got really nasty. 352 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 3: People were getting scratched and different things, and then it 353 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: became really nasty in our auditorium and so it's still 354 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: there to this day. But we're getting some signs. Now 355 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: I don't get to go and investigate like I used 356 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: to because we've rented out, but we're getting told about 357 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: some stuff that we do. I'm going to go in 358 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: and try to figure it out one night. But I 359 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: think it's gone back and forth between D Block and 360 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: the auditorium. It's but it's nasty. It's a really nasty 361 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: I don't like to call it demonic, but I if 362 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 3: I've ever encountered something that, yeah, I don't know, it's nasty. 363 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: Well, what I always tell people, and I guess this 364 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: would be the place that would fit that this description 365 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: the most is you know, people always ask me, you know, 366 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: if you ever encountered anything demonic, And I remind people 367 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: that there are folks in life who are as bad 368 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: as bad can be, and that doesn't go away when 369 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: they die and come back like you the worst of 370 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: the worst murders rapistly, you know, and and yeah, and 371 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: so it would make sense that either that could be 372 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: one person or it could be just like an amalgamation 373 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: of like a bunch of different entities kind of coming together, 374 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: you know, with these kind of bad intentions. So but 375 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: I do think you're right and that it will move, 376 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: because you know, I think that we sometimes people make 377 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: this mistake thinking that like, oh, it's just going to stay, 378 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: that's it's in that area, But it's like, no, I 379 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: think a lot of these have free oh and they 380 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: can go wherever. And if they start kind of feel 381 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: like oh people get scared of me or oh, like 382 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: they could move throughout that whole building. 383 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see what you find out. 384 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean with that when we close 385 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: down D Block and people wasn't going in there, it moved, 386 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: you know, and so now it's like people, it can 387 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: be so nasty that people won't even go in there. 388 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: They're like, no, I'm not I'm not even going there, 389 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: you know. And so when it gets quiet, you know, 390 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: then they start they're coming back and like reporting it 391 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: in DE Block again. It's like, you know, it's almost 392 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: like it's on the hunt, you know, it's it's looking 393 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: for somebody, and I don't know, it's what gets me 394 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: is the foul odor and that I don't know, it's 395 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: just I mean, we do have some nasty ones. There's 396 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: several nasty ones here, but not that nasty. That one 397 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: that one gets me. 398 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I find that really interesting. So 399 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 2: now that's that leads me to like, so you know, 400 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: you have people coming in and investigating pretty regularly, Like 401 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: how often are people just like nope, I'm out, I'm 402 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: done and just leaving. 403 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: Well, usually when they come in and they're talking like 404 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm not worried or you know, it's it's 405 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: almost like they're they're just like, okay, i'll show you. 406 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: You know. 407 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: It's like I don't know, probably at least once a month, yeah, 408 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: at least once a month, they'll they'll somebody will come 409 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: in talking like you know, most people respect it. Occasionally 410 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: you'll get somebody wanting to provoke or you know, demanding 411 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: it to say its name or you know, and it 412 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: proves it self. It usually proves itself. And I'll tell 413 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 3: you something else. We've noticed, like, so I won't go 414 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 3: in the auditorium if I've had like a really stressful day, 415 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: or if I've had an argument with my husband, or 416 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: if I'm sick or feel like I may be getting sick, 417 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: I won't go in there. It's almost like it's waiting 418 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: for a week length to come in there, you know, 419 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: it's and so I always make sure I'm in a 420 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 3: good frame of mind before I go in there. We 421 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 3: have noticed that a lot of people that are feeling 422 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: bad or yeah, drinking or just different things can like 423 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: that that just kind of weakens their frame of mind. 424 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 3: They're the first that'll come out and report something. 425 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: I tell people that a lot. 426 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, before you go in and investigate, just be 427 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: in like a positive space, you know, yes, And it's 428 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: not even just like that, you know, a spirit could 429 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: kind of upset you. It's also just like you have 430 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: to be in the right frame of mind, like make 431 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: clear decisions and like, you know, it's just like if 432 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: you're walking if you're meeting someone who's a bad person 433 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: in real life, you know, like someone who's just really 434 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: mean and wants to pick on you and bully you. 435 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: If you walk in smiling and you're like, hey, how's 436 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: it going, Like they are instantly powerless, you know, as 437 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: opposed to you walking in and being like I'm so scared, 438 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, or or you would going for them 439 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: and being like. 440 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: You want to fight. You know, it's just totally different. 441 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 2: But the second you're like, happiness is like you know, 442 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: a bully's worst nightmare alive or dead. And so I'm 443 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: like the most cheerful ghost hunter, which producers on TV 444 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: shows hate because I'm always smiling and like I'm like, well, 445 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: this is my defense man. 446 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: I mean and that. You know, we have a lot 447 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: of clowns here. We have a lot that like to 448 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: prank and joke and you know, and they're happy, go lucky. 449 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 3: There's got a story to tell. And that's why I 450 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 3: tell everyone, you know, just go in open minded and 451 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: you know, introduce yourself and ask him about you know, 452 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: ask him about themselves, and give them the opportunity. But 453 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: and usually they have a really good outcome with that. 454 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 3: But you know, but like I said, now there is 455 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: some here that you know, they they're like, we've got 456 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: one in the hole. He's a I call him Pappo. 457 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: I call him Papo because anytime we catch him on audio, 458 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: he scuffed this rough, rough, old voice, and he's always complaining. 459 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: He's like turn the light out. You know. It's like 460 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: if you flip the light on him, it makes him mad. 461 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: You know. It's like he just wants to be left alone. 462 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: So and I just picture him as a little old 463 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 3: man that just wants to be left alone. 464 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: So we can say that, Yeah, you know, sometimes they'll 465 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: retreat to the most you know, the darkest and most 466 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: far away corners, even if they were the worst places 467 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: there in operation. Yeah, but kind of like a lot, 468 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: uh like kind of getting more positive. One of my 469 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: favorite stories when I was digging through the history was 470 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: about Geronimo the deer and and I was like, please 471 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: tell me there's a deer ghost there. 472 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 3: Yes, good, because we have we've caught the sound of hoods. 473 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: But he had his own sale and he liked to 474 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: eat cigarettes. So but yeah, now we've caught Geronimo. Yeah. 475 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: I love that. I just I thought that story was 476 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: so endearing. 477 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: And I liked that even when they had to move briefly, 478 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: he went with them and like he was, you know, 479 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: he was their body. 480 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: So I thought that was so sweet. 481 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: Now I'm fascinated by the history, uh and and the 482 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: ghosts there, And I'm really glad that you were able 483 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: to chat with me for a little bit and tell me, 484 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: like what actually goes on there. Now I know that 485 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Brushy Mountain is open to the public, So how can 486 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 2: people visit the penitentiary like either like a from touring 487 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: perspective or ghost tour or investigation? How does all that work? 488 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: So we do daytime tours from April. In April, we'll 489 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: start out at four days a week and then we'll 490 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: go into all week. But then in the fall, we'll 491 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: start back in our days down again. But you can 492 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: do daytime tours from April to November, and we do 493 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: our paranormal tours. We do those year round and you 494 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: can book those through our website tour brusheet dot com. 495 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: And we do private overnights. We do four hour tours, 496 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: and we do public so if you don't have a 497 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: group and you don't have the money to rent it 498 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 3: by yourself as a private we do sell individual tickets 499 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: for public hunts. 500 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I like that. 501 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: People always ask me like, how do I meet people 502 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: who to investigate. I'm like, just got to go on 503 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: these public tours, these public investigations and meet your future friends. 504 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: Like that's the way to do it. 505 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's awesome. 506 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: We're talking, we're tossing it around. I don't know, it 507 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: depends on but we're tossing around maybe when we shut 508 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: down our daytime tours this come and fall, maybe offering 509 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: daytime paranormal tours, because we did just as much in 510 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: the day, you know, at night, but we do we 511 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: capture more apparitions during the day here. 512 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: So yes, I love a good daytime investigation. I can't 513 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: stay up for these late nights anymore, those days are 514 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: over for me. 515 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 3: I yeah, it's hard and it gets. 516 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: Cold, and oh no, thank you. 517 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I do it when I have to, but 518 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: I like to start a nice afternoon into the early 519 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: evening investigation. So I think that's a great idea. 520 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. 521 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you doing this, And yeah, I'm excited 522 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: to learn more and I really am going to try 523 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: to get out there. 524 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying. 525 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: My goal this year is to start like heading to 526 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: some places that I just haven't been and just checking 527 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: it out. So maybe you'll hear from me and we 528 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: can arrange to you. 529 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: You're always welcome. Well, thank you. 530 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 531 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: Countless men serve time in the Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary. 532 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: Some of them had committed violent crimes, others were guilty 533 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: of petty offenses like loitering or vagrancy. All of them 534 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: lost their freedom and brutal confinement. We can wonder why 535 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: their ghosts remain behind bars even to this day. Perhaps 536 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: they're staying willingly, still trying to pay their debt to society, 537 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: or they've forgotten how to be free, or they may 538 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: be cursed to live out the worst days of their lives. 539 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: Their presence goes to show. Although it's officially no longer operational, 540 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: the Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary will never be anything but 541 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: a prison. I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. 542 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio and Grim and 543 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: Mild from Aaron Minky. Haunted Road is hosted and written 544 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. 545 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: This show is. 546 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: Edited and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with 547 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: executive producers Aaron Menke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. 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