1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace caught on video the Sick Moment. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: A deadbeat dad is caught carrying the limp body of 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: his son, Cory, just six, into urgent care. This after 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: physically forcing Corey to run full speed on a treadmill 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: because the boy was quote too fat. 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Six year old Corey is now dead tonight. 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Why did daddy go on the run and hide out 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: in a Tennessee motel while his defense lawyer claims Daddy 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Corey's death from chronic abuse 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: and bruising to the heart. We want justice. Good evening, 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: a Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: Cory was in Chris's arms. His arms were over Chris's shoulders. 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: His legs were dangling. His arms did not looked like 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: they had much movement to them. His legs did not 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: look like they had much moving to him. His head 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: was rested on Chris's shoulder. His head was difficult, his 18 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: face was difficult to visualize. So when I first approached them, 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: I knew that something was concerning, but I couldn't see 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: everything I needed to see, so I was depending on 21 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: Chris to convey a sense of urgency or unwellness that 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: I did not get from him at first. It was 23 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: more of a clinical description. 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: You are hearing William Doyle, a nurse practitioner at Southern 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Ocean Urgent Care, and when you hear a professional space 26 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: the way, it just doesn't even make sense. He says, 27 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: his face was difficult to visualize. I think what he 28 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: had to say is the little boy was near death 29 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: and he couldn't even hold his head up. That's why 30 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: his face is difficult to visualize. 31 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: And as a nurse. 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: Practitioner, says Chris, I believe he is referring to the 33 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: bio dad Christopher gregor the deadbeat dad that didn't seem 34 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: upset and wouldn't really articulate what had happened. 35 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: Gee, I wonder. 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: Why in the last hours in court the chilling texts 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: are revealed and this tastes like dirt in my mouth. 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Where the father writes, quote, he needs to toughen up 39 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: talking about the six year old little boy. He says 40 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: this after making his son Corey run the treadmill he dies. 41 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: He quote needs to toughen up again. Thank you everyone 42 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: for joining us. I know evidence is sometimes very hard 43 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: to look at, but a jury is being asked to 44 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: render a true verdict. Guys take a listen to Sidney 45 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: Sumner crime Online. 46 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: Brianna Mitchello is supposed to drop Corey off to his father. 47 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: Gregor asks her to bring Corey to the fitness center 48 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 4: of his apartment complex. Surveillance video inside the gym shows 49 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: Corey running on a treadmill while Gregor turns up the 50 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: speed and incline of the machine until the six year 51 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: old can't keep up and falls off. Gregor lifts the 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: boy off the ground by his shirt, holding Corey over 53 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: the running treadmill. Corey's feet slid out from under him 54 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: several times as he tries to get his footing, and 55 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: Gregor appears to bite Corey on the back of the head. 56 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: Corey eventually starts running again and falls from the treadmill 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: five more times. Through tears, Corey tells the doctor about 58 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: the treadmill incident and says Gregor forced him to because 59 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: he was too fat. The doctor notes fourteen bruises or 60 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: scrapes on Corey's body, but the rest of his tests 61 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: come back normal. Mitchello's request for emergency custody is denied, 62 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: and she returns Corey to Gregor. 63 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: The next morning, when I hear the reporter describing all 64 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: the bruises on Corey's little body, and I watched Corey 65 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: so valiantly trying to keep running every time his father 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: throws him back on the treadmill, even holding him down, 67 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: and you can see him forcefully biting him. But this 68 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: is what the defense attorney has to say. 69 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: You got to hear this. Listen. 70 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: You're going to see Christener. 71 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 6: Go over in that Treville and speed it up, and 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 6: you're going to see Corey. 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 5: Fall, and you're going to see him pick that boy 74 00:04:52,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 5: up six times, and six times put him back on 75 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 5: the treadmill. 76 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 7: And I'm gonna tell you right now, you're not gonna 77 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 7: like him, And I don't care if you like him. 78 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 7: When you see that video, you're gonna be horrified. You're 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 7: gonna be mortified. But I'm telling you right now. 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 6: That the evidence you're going to see of Coury's death 81 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 6: had absolutely nothing to do with that treadmill. 82 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: With me, it all start paneling, including Jim Murdott from 83 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: News twelve New Jersey Reporter, and if you want more 84 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: on the trial, go to News twelve New Jersey News 85 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: twelve in New York. 86 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: Jim hold on, just a moment, doctor. 87 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you gotta get my head straight, Doctor Bethany Marshall, 88 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: round psycho analyst joining us at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, did you hear what the defense attorney just said? 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: What am I supposed to believe him? Or my lion eyes? 91 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: How the hey is he's saying? 92 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Oh, look over here, not over here at the video, 93 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: don't look at the autopsy report. 94 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Look at me what I'm saying in court? What does 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: he think they just fell off the turnip truck? That 96 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: the jury is stupid? Nancy. 97 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 8: He's manipulating the jurors. Also, now we have two men 98 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 8: abusing power. Deadbeat Dad abused power by using his child 99 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 8: as a punching bag. Never mind he was also only 100 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 8: involved with the child in the last year of his life, 101 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 8: wanting to gain control over the child in order to 102 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 8: abuse him. Isn't it interesting that he has sought an 103 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 8: attorney who does the same. In some ways, I think 104 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 8: the attorney is like dead beat dad, trying to control 105 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 8: the jurors, trying to have power over them. It's to me, 106 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 8: it's like male power on parade, and it's just very sickening. 107 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: Speaking of male power on the parade, I'd like to 108 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: welcome everyone on our paneling, including a lot of mails. 109 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Dr Beth and as you want to maybe back. 110 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: Off on the mailpower on pay thing until the very 111 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: end when they can't leave. 112 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 2: Okay. 113 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Jim Marda joining me and he's twelve investigative reporter out 114 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: of New Jersey. Jim, thank you for being with us. 115 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: What is happening in the courtroom? How is the jury reacting? 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, how can the defense attorney with a straight 117 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: face say the dad had nothing to do with it? 118 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 5: So thanks for having me on, Nancy. 119 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 9: I think one of the important factors here before they 120 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 9: showed that treadmill video in court. 121 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 5: They played the. 122 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 9: Video before the dad kept putting him up and down, 123 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 9: up and down. 124 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 5: On the treadmill. 125 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 9: So in that courtroom a video played for twelve minutes 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 9: showing that little boy running at full speed while the 127 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 9: dad in the background was lifting weights and once in 128 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 9: a while periodically checking in on him. So I think 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 9: this has been missed in a lot of the reports 130 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 9: we've seen online. But that child had been running for 131 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 9: twelve full minutes before the dad sped it up and 132 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 9: the video looked like he was running at full speed 133 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 9: for a child of six years old. So you go 134 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 9: in the courtroom. We're sitting there in the front row 135 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 9: and we're watching in complete silence along with the At 136 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 9: that time, there were sixteen jurors seated for twelve minutes, 137 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 9: and then the video played showing the dad what you're 138 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 9: showing right now. 139 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 5: So you have to go. 140 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 9: Back twelve minutes. This child had been running at full 141 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 9: speed before the speed and the incline were increased. 142 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: Nancy, Jim Murdot, Guys, joining, he's been the story from 143 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: the beginning, and again, let me correct myself. This is 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: not a story. 145 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: This is a real case. People are suffering. 146 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: And every time I look at that little boy Corey 147 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: running and following, face playing and falling, thrown literally thrown 148 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: back on there, Jim Murdock, I think of my little 149 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: boy John David and my little girl Lucy, and I 150 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: imagine their head on that little body running and running 151 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: and falling, and I can hardly stand it. But I 152 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: got to ask you about something, Jim Murdock. Are you 153 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: telling me that in court there was twelve minute there 154 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: were twelve minutes of silence. 155 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 9: Of silence while we were watching that little boy run 156 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 9: before the dad sped up the treadmill. Twelve minutes of 157 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 9: silence broken up when they'd switched to that video, and 158 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 9: then there were audible gasps from quite a few people 159 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 9: in that courtroom. But twelve minutes of silence watching that 160 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 9: boy run. 161 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 162 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Jared Farantino joining me, homicide prosecutor Jared, I remember, on 163 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: several occasions, I would use the time it took, for instance, 164 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: to asphyxiate someone, maybe two or three minutes. I'll have 165 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: to go to doctor Erry Easton on that. In court, 166 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: for instance, hold the pillow down in front of a 167 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: jury and push it down and have complete silence for 168 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: three minutes. 169 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: It's so powerful because the. 170 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: Jury then understands how long the father had to have 171 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: saved his son all of this suffering, or how long 172 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: the defendant took to form the act. What Jim Murlock 173 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: just told us is, I mean, drop the mic right there, Farantino. 174 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 10: It's so there's something about this video, Nancy that gets 175 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 10: harder to watch every time you watch it, because you 176 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 10: watch this little boy trying to get up he's trying 177 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 10: to please his father's what he's trying to do and 178 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 10: to probably stop the abuse that he's getting. But like 179 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 10: you said, the length of time is so telling. Every 180 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 10: second of those twelve minutes his father could have stopped this, 181 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 10: and in my opinion, he's charged with first degree murder 182 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 10: right now. Every second he didn't stop it was another 183 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 10: second that shows. This is the attitude that this father 184 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 10: has toward his son, reckless disregard, in fact an intentional 185 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 10: act to commit murder. 186 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: And guys, why do you see the text exchanges between 187 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: the mom, the bio mom, and the biodead. But I'm 188 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: going to start calling him the deadbeat dad because he 189 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: had nothing to. 190 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Do with his son for years. How to have a 191 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: paternity sin, I mean, really can't. 192 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: The dad to say, Okay, yeah, I had sex with her. 193 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: It's possible he would not pay any money for this 194 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: child because he swore he wasn't the dad. And then 195 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: he finally gets to see the child and then the 196 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: child is abused. But I want you to hear about 197 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: what happened when he takes the baby to the hospital. 198 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: Listen. 199 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 11: The day after Corey's examination by a pediatrician, Christopher Gregor 200 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 11: tells Brianna Mitchello that Corey is feeling bad. The six 201 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 11: year old is sleepy and nauseous. Gregor puts Corey down 202 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 11: for a nap, and when he wakes up, Corey is stumbling, 203 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 11: slurring his words, and is having trouble breathing. Gregor takes 204 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 11: the boy to Southern Ocean Medical Center, where he's quickly 205 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 11: admitted and intubated. Doctors take Corey for a CT scan. 206 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 11: During the scan, Corey starts seizing and losing his pulse. 207 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 11: Medical staff administer life saving efforts but cannot revive Corey. 208 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 4: The initial autopsy reveals that Corey died as a result 209 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: of blunt force injuries with cardiac and liver contusions, along 210 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: with inflammation and sepsis. The Ocean County Medical Examiner lists 211 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: the manner of death as undetermined. A forensic pathologist performs 212 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 4: a second tops, he confirming the blunt force trauma and 213 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 4: injuries to Corey's liver and heart. Corey was chronically abused 214 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 4: and suffered an acute traumatic injury to his heart four 215 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: to twelve hours before his death. Corey's death is reclassified 216 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: as a homicide. 217 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: So let me. 218 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Understand, Jim Murdoch, the defense attorney. Even in light of 219 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: the medical examiner stating the boy died of chronic abuse 220 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: and had essentially contusions bruises to the heart and other 221 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: internal organs, they're trying to say, oh, yeah, no, that's 222 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: not why did he died from sepsis from pneumonia? What 223 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: is the jury doing while the defense attorney is arguing 224 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: something completely contradictory to what the medical examiner said. 225 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 9: Well, from what I've seen, the jury is paying very 226 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 9: close attention to the medical ExM. 227 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: You know, I hate it when somebody says, I say, 228 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: what's the jury doing and the person says, oh, they're 229 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: paying attention. 230 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: Okay. 231 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: All that means to me is their eyes are open. 232 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: Are they making faces? Do they turn away from the video? 233 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Do they glare at the defendant? What are they doing? 234 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Do they shake their head nowhere? 235 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: Yes? Anybody anything? Anybody crying anything, any reaction. 236 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: Not a lot of crying. 237 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 9: Again, the biggest outburst were the gasps when that twelve 238 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 9: minutes of running transitioned into two and a half three 239 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 9: minutes of falling over and over again. 240 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 5: But I can tell you. 241 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 9: That the jury is focused dead on with the people 242 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 9: testifying on the stand. Once in a while will glance 243 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 9: over to Christopher Gregor is sitting down. 244 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: But there's just a lot of intense. 245 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Look at Jim. In your line of business, you know 246 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: what it means to bury the lead, right, because you 247 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: are a veteran investigative reporter. I know all about you. 248 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: You ever heard bury the lead? You ever heard that phrase? 249 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 5: Yes? 250 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so the lead is the jury gasps when they 251 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: see what's happening. You know what that tells me, Jim Murdoch. 252 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: It tells me the jury is having the same reaction 253 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: having every time I look at that video. You know what, 254 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: I've got chills on my right arm right now because 255 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: I keep thinking of my baby girl Lucy, or my 256 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: son John David up on that video falling over and 257 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: over and over. 258 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: How in the h E double L did this boy get. 259 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Bruising on the heart, bruising on other internal organs. 260 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 9: That was the only time so far in the three 261 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 9: days there were any visible noises reactions from the jeury 262 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 9: when that little boy fell over and over. And besides that, 263 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 9: it's been constant focus. 264 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 5: But you're right, the jewelry and. 265 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 9: Other people in the courtroom gasped watching this very video. 266 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: Christopher Gregor called Brianna Mitchello to teller he took their 267 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: son to the hospital, but did not tell her where. 268 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: Mitchello called several hospitals and could not locate Corey, so 269 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: she filed a missing person's report. At five point thirty PM, 270 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: cops tell Mitchello that her son has died, just a 271 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: month before his seventh birthday. After hearing the news of 272 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: his son's death at the hospital, Christopher Gregor packs a 273 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: bag and leaves for Tennessee. Gregor refuses to speak with authorities, 274 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: requesting an attorney. 275 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Joining us an All Star panel straight out to doctor 276 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Doctor Bethany, you mentioned the defense attorney's intimate 277 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: involvement in this case or maybe identifying with this case. 278 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: But what do you make of what you just heard 279 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: that in another power play the husband received, well, excuse me, 280 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: the biodad they're not married, refuses to tell the mom 281 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: which hospital Corey is in. 282 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 8: You know, Nanthey, I think there are two possibilities. One 283 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 8: is that he's trying to abuse the child's mother, just 284 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 8: like he's abusing the child. So when you think of 285 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 8: the twelve minutes, that's not just abused as actually torture 286 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 8: because it's so prolonged. So in some ways he kept 287 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 8: his the bio mom in a tortured state as well. 288 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 8: This guy relates on the base of power to everyone 289 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 8: around him. And you know, when I think of child abuse, 290 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 8: there's sort of two types in terms of the profile 291 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 8: of the abuser. One is the parent who's overwhelmed, who 292 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 8: thinks the child is bad, who doesn't know where the 293 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 8: child is developmentally, so they explode, they hurt the child, 294 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 8: but then they're remorseful afterwards. This is a very very 295 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 8: different animal, Nancy. This is a man who is a sadist, 296 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 8: who's mean. He gained control of the child in the 297 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 8: child's fifth year. He wasn't even bonded with the child 298 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 8: up until that point. 299 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: He didn't even. 300 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 8: Care about the child, so he got the child from 301 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 8: the mother so he could control, dominate, and abuse. This 302 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 8: is the kind of abuser who pumps himself up by 303 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 8: finding something small around him so that he can just 304 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 8: use that small little thing as a punching bake. And 305 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 8: you know, these jurors are traumatized. That's why they gasped 306 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 8: and then they were silent. When you read the definition 307 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 8: of PTSD. It's not just being abused, it's watching abuse. 308 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: To Jim Murdoch, I'm always shocked when deadbeat dads suddenly 309 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: have a newfound interest in being with their child. 310 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: Isn't that what happened here? 311 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 9: It certainly seems that way, with the paternity test coming 312 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 9: in and then Christopher comes into his life when he's 313 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 9: four years old, automatically gets full custody with visitation granted 314 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 9: to Brian Mitchello on this case, and that was talked 315 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 9: about at length in the first day of testimony, the 316 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 9: events going back and forth with that. I also want 317 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 9: to get back to some of the emotions that we saw. 318 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 9: We talk about Chris sitting in that courtroom at the 319 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 9: very beginning when the prosecution began to lay out their 320 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 9: opening statement, showed emotion. He cried and then he did not. 321 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 9: And I've been watching the way he handles everything. He's 322 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 9: just sitting there, once in a while leaning over to 323 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 9: his attorney Mario to. 324 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 5: Speak with them. 325 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 9: But when the jury's gasping, when we're watching that twelve minute. 326 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: Silent video before he falls, Christopher is just sitting there 327 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 5: in the courtroom and really not showing. 328 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 9: A lot of emotion outside of what we saw when 329 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 9: the prosecutors laid out the first minutes of their opening statements. 330 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 9: It's fascinating to watch, you know. And then when when 331 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 9: Brie Mitchello took the stand on the opening day, immediately 332 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 9: her emotions, you know, quite a few times got the 333 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 9: best of her, so very different emotional responses watching the 334 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 9: defendant in the court and Brie Corey's mother in there, 335 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 9: and that those are very notable that I picked up 336 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 9: watching from the opening a few hours of this case. 337 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: It's not just this day that Corey was forced to 338 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: run on the treadmill, sustaining blows to his heart and 339 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: other internal organs. Damning text chains have emerged in courts. 340 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: Listen. 341 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 12: Brianna Mitchello posted text exchange two weeks before Corey dies. 342 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 12: Mitchello writes, Corey came upstairs upset and almost crying because 343 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 12: he was trying to ask you about playing football in 344 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 12: high school, and you smacked the ball out of his 345 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 12: hands and walked out. Gregor replies that I smacked the 346 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 12: ball out of his hands and he didn't say a 347 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 12: word to me. Gregor then texts that if hitting the 348 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 12: ball out of the six year old's hands makes him 349 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 12: cry that maybe he needs to be a little tougher 350 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 12: because that's soft tissue. After Gregor makes another comment about 351 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 12: Corey being over emotional, Briannon Mitchello responds, He's not over emotional. 352 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 12: You hurt his feelings. He got upset. He's six years old. 353 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 354 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Why abusers blame every body else when they behave badly 355 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: and criminally, they claim other people are over emotional. In fact, 356 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall joining US high profile psychoanalyst out of 357 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: LA the mom, the bio mom, was made to look 358 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: crazy because she had made one hundred complaints to Defects 359 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: Department Family Children's Services over twenty months to make her 360 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: look crazy and also, in addition to the text chaining 361 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: just heard, and I'm going to go to Jim Murdock 362 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: in just a second on this from News twelve And 363 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: if you want more coverage in depth by the hour 364 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: in trial, go to News twelve, New Jersey, Newswelf New 365 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: York Dtor Bethany. In addition to what you just heard, 366 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: I understand that earlier that the dad, the bio dad, 367 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: the defendant, the killer dad, suspect, deadbeat dad claimed that 368 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: Corey's face wait for it. I hope you're sitting down. 369 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: You may need to lay down, Bethany. That Corey's face 370 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: got in a way of a football that dad through 371 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: and it made his nose blade and his blade. 372 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 8: Nancy, this killer dad is so crazy, you know. Abuse 373 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 8: Nancy always starts with rationalizations. His face gone in the way, 374 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 8: he's too fat, he needs to tough enough. Whenever I 375 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 8: have abusers come into my office, they make the abuse 376 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 8: sound so reasonable. 377 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: You know. 378 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 8: One guy once said to me, you know, I pulled 379 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 8: my child out of school and I made him walk 380 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 8: home to make his bed because he needs to be 381 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 8: taught a lesson. So whenever you hear adults talking about 382 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 8: children in these demeaning ways, you have to consider abuse. 383 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 8: You have to consider reporting in terms of the mother. 384 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 8: I'm looking crazy. 385 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: You know. 386 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 8: We have a phrase in my field. It's called crazy 387 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 8: making behavior. That's when somebody treats you in such a 388 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 8: way that you begin to fall apart and you look 389 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 8: like the crazy one. And he made her look so 390 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 8: crazy that even defacts didn't believe her. Not that I 391 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 8: want to let them off the hook, but I think 392 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 8: that's what happened. And this poor mother is just desperate 393 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 8: to help her child, so much so that she has 394 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 8: to document the abuse on a Facebook group. Nobody else 395 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 8: would listen to her, and just one offul thought Nancy 396 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 8: his demeanor in court. My first thought was, this is 397 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 8: probably the first time in deadbeat killer Dad's life where 398 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 8: he has not had the upper hand. He's not been 399 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 8: in charge, and he's not been in a position of power. 400 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 8: He probably doesn't even know how to be, what to do, 401 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 8: how you know how to be in this courtroom other 402 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 8: than let's watch. Pretty soon he's going to start glaring 403 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 8: at the jurors because. 404 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: He's going to try to have power all over again. 405 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Dude, Jim Murnau joining us needs to have new jersey. 406 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: I want to hear from your perspective of seeing it 407 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: unfold in court, how did the jerry respond to those 408 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: chilling texts messages Dad says after forcing his son to 409 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: run in on the treadmill quote he needs to toughen up, 410 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: and the other evidence about his son six years old 411 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: face getting in the way of his football throne at 412 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: full force. I think you threw it at the little 413 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: boy and hit a bam right in the face. 414 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 9: The two words in those text messages that caught my 415 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 9: eye and seemed to catch some of the jurors were 416 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 9: the expression soft tissue. You're describing your son as having 417 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 9: soft tissue, and it's an expression you just are kind 418 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 9: of surprised to hear a dad talking about a bruise 419 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 9: but using that term. 420 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: And I think that you. 421 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 9: Know that the phrasing, the perhaps the word choice made 422 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 9: that phrase stand out, particularly to the people in that courtroom. 423 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 9: Soft and you're showing the pictures now the dad described 424 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 9: the boy soft tissue. 425 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 5: It's it's rough, it's rough to hear, it's rough to hear. 426 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: Briona Mitchello files an order to show cause seeking custody 427 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: of her son Corey, while DCPP investigates claims of abuse 428 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: the next day. In his decision, Judge Patrick Bradshaw says 429 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 4: that the order fails to demonstrate that the minor child 430 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 4: is in danger of imminent or irreparable harm, even after 431 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 4: reading a report about the treadmill video. Judge Bradshaw writes 432 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: that the court does not find a temporary modification of 433 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 4: the party's custody and parenting time arrangement appropriate at this time. 434 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: So now I'm finally getting the name of the judge 435 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: that would it take the boy away from his father. 436 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: That little boy, Corey is now dead. 437 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: Jim Marnott joining me in these twelve Doctor Eric Aeson 438 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: and Bill Day. 439 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm on the way, Jim Murdock. 440 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: The judge, Judge Patrick Bradshaw, Is that correct? Because we 441 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: had to scour all of the news reports, all of 442 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: the evidence that we had to get the name of 443 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: the judge that wouldn't take the boy away from the 444 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: bio dad? Is that correct, Judge Patrick Bradshaw? 445 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 9: You know, I think you have more information than I 446 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 9: do on that judge. All I know is that when 447 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 9: Bree took the stand and said how the judge, you know, 448 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 9: one day before that child died, she was denied full custody. 449 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 9: You could see the helplessness she was reliving that all 450 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 9: over again on the stand. And I think that's so 451 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 9: important to highlight and emphasize now again. The defense they 452 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 9: tried to pull into Bree's past drug usage, saying she 453 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 9: wasn't a fit mom to take care. 454 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 5: Of that, and that was the defense's argument. 455 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: Hold on, Jim murder, you got me drinking out of 456 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: the fire hydrant here. That's a lot of information and 457 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to digest it all. 458 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: So typical victim. 459 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Blaming the mom is a crime victim too, Her son's 460 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: been murdered, according to prosecutors. 461 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: So hey, what can we do. 462 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: Er, Let's blame her, Let's find something wrong with her. 463 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: You know what, if you've strung up everybody in this 464 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: country that's ever had a drug or alcohol problem, there'd 465 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: be nobody to go to work. 466 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: Everybody would be strung up. Hold on, just. 467 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: One moment, I want you to hear the actual cood 468 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: and what happened when Corey was taken to the hospital. Listen. 469 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 11: The day after Corey's examination by a pediatrician, Christopher Gregor 470 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 11: tells Brianna Mitchello that Corey is feeling bad. The six 471 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 11: year old is sleepy and nauseous. Gregor puts Corey down 472 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 11: for a nap, and when he wakes up, Corey is stumbling, 473 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 11: slurring his words, having trouble breathing. Gregor takes the boy 474 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 11: to Southern Ocean Medical Center, where he's quickly admitted and intubated. 475 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 11: Doctors take Corey for a CT scan. During the scan, 476 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 11: Corey starts seizing and losing his pulse. Medical staff administer 477 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 11: life saving efforts but cannot revive Corey. 478 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 4: The initial autopsy reveals that Corey died as a result 479 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 4: of blunt force injuries with cardiac and liver contusions, along 480 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: with inflammation and sepsis. The Ocean County Medical Examiner lists 481 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 4: the manner of death as undetermined. A forensic pathologist performs 482 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: a second autopsy, confirming the blunt force trauma. 483 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor Ayson, thank you for 484 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: being with us. Could you and regular vernacular I ate 485 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: dummy down? 486 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Doctor? Okay, we're not all mds like you. 487 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Could you explain what we just heard in regular people talk. 488 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 13: The autopsy report, so it described contusions, which are bruises. 489 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 13: You normally see bruises on the outside of the body, 490 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 13: but you can also see them internally. They were found 491 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 13: on the heart and on the liver, and so what 492 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 13: it indicates to me is that there was some type 493 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 13: of blunt force trauma. So solid object struck the chest, 494 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 13: also struck the adamin causing those bruises. And then the 495 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 13: trauma was so rough that not only did it cause 496 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 13: a bruise in the heart, but it also split a 497 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 13: hole into the heart as well. 498 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: So that's what we have here, doctor aery Ason. I 499 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: didn't get that from the testimony. Maybe it was buried 500 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: in there because when doctor start testifying no offense of course, 501 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: and they are speaking in technical hospital jargon. Did you 502 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: say he had a hole in his heart? A hole 503 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: was torn in his heart? 504 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 13: Laceration, Yes, a tear. 505 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: A laceration. His heart was lacerated. It wasn't just a 506 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: bruising of the heart. The heart was actually lacerated. Are 507 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: you sure that's right? 508 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 13: That's what I got from the articles that we read. 509 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: So, Jim Murdock, is this true? 510 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Was Corey's heart actually lacerated or torn? 511 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 9: The injuries described for what twelve fourteen different bruises, including 512 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 9: different bruises as seen by the first grade teacher can Peace, 513 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 9: I believe her name was, saw different bruises over that 514 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 9: time between the treadmill and keep in mind, folks, the 515 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 9: treadmill incident happened March twentieth, April second Corey. 516 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 5: Was dead, So what we don't know what happened. 517 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 9: Before March twentieth, what shape was the boy in prior 518 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 9: to that treadmill, and what injuries were sustained during that 519 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 9: treadmill and then following that Treadmill ins and up until 520 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 9: April second. It is the defense's argument, from what they 521 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 9: said in opening statements, that the boy died of pneumonia 522 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 9: and sepsis. But we've heard doctors say sepsis can happen 523 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 9: from internally bruised confused organs can also cause sepsis. I 524 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 9: think that's going to be a major part of the 525 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 9: second half of this trial, once the defense has things 526 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 9: in their court, and you're going to hear a lot. 527 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: Of doctor jargon. 528 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 9: One of the things we heard in the opening statements, 529 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 9: two pathologists, two very different conclusions here. 530 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: Jim Erlock, I didn't I couldn't hear you you got 531 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: cut off. Did you tell me there is or is 532 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: not a laceration to the heart. 533 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 9: They did mention heart bruising or internal organ bruising in 534 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 9: the opening statements. 535 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Jim Murdock joining us from Used 536 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: twelve New Jersey, News twelve New York where you. 537 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: Can see this hour by hour what's happening in the courtroom. 538 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: Jim, I believe you're correct because you are referring to 539 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: the first autopsy. I'm talking about doctor Andrews that then 540 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: did another took another pass atit. Did he find the 541 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: laceration to the heart? Jim? 542 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 9: That is where I believe it was put in documentation 543 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 9: that a heart laceration sound, So what does that mean? 544 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 9: So if the boy died of sepsis, can a heart 545 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 9: laceration cause that sort of Jim? 546 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: As much as I respect you, I don't think you've 547 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: got an MD. 548 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: Neither do on No, it is doctor Anson, dummy down again. 549 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: What's a heart laceration? How do you get a heart 550 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: laceration from a severe beating? 551 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: Possibly? 552 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 13: Yes, it's a blend. It's an evidence to b one 553 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 13: enforced trauma. All lacerations are due to black trauma, whether 554 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 13: they happen on the skin or internally. And so the 555 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 13: kid was struck in the chest with a lot of force. 556 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 13: That's what's going to cause a tear in the heart. 557 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: Bill Daly is joining me special guest, former FBI investigator 558 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: and now specialist in forensic photography and security expert. Bill, 559 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. 560 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: Bill. 561 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed when you bring in a suspect 562 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: and you kind of got them red handed, they started saying, 563 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: look here, look there, it's their fault. It's their fault, 564 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: not me. Sod some other, dude, did it? Have you 565 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: ever noticed that before? 566 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 567 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 14: In fact, there are prisons filled with people who say 568 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 14: the same thing. That's exactly what the mo is of 569 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 14: individuals who are responsible for committing crimes and other Heno's acts. 570 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 14: You know, Nancy, if we look at this case, and 571 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 14: I am kind of a fact based person over my years, 572 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 14: and just the facts, just the facts, as Joe Friday 573 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 14: once said, if you look at this kind of timeline 574 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 14: and litany of the images we've seen, we've seen images 575 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 14: matches the videos, which is surely compelling and emotional, but 576 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 14: also tell the story when Gregor is as his son 577 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 14: on the treadmill and brings him into the hospital. We 578 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 14: have pictures the mother had taken of the injuries of 579 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 14: her son, Corey. But with two things stand out to me. 580 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 14: It's one, we're not seeing all the other things that 581 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 14: could have happened behind the scenes with not on video 582 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 14: when pictures are not taken, you know, And I also say, 583 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 14: what happened? What happened to the system here? 584 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 2: Where all the stuff we're. 585 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 14: So compelling, at least compelling to us as we watch it, 586 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 14: that a judge did in order for some protective custoding 587 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 14: to take place prior to the child dying, you know. 588 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 14: And you know, finally I'd like to kind of put 589 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 14: on top of this, Nancy, is the fact that, you know, 590 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 14: my brothers in law enforcement, the people in the Ocean 591 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 14: County Prosecutor's office and investigators from the Ocean County law 592 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 14: enforcement agencies have now stated they've come out and said 593 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 14: that Corey suffered life damaging, life ending injuries as a 594 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 14: result of his time with his father, and that his father, Gregor, 595 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 14: is responsible for his death. 596 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: You know another thing, Bill Day and correct me if 597 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Jim Murdock, the initial judge, said this video 598 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: is not enough for an emergency order taking the boy 599 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: away from dad. 600 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: It's not enough. 601 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: But then that same video was used to deny greg 602 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: Or the bio Dad Bill. So for one judge, no 603 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: way for another judge. Hgl Yes. So I guess it's 604 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: in the eye of the beholder. So one judge saw 605 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: this and saw the report of contusions and all of. 606 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 2: That and refused to take the boy away. 607 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: Then the boy dies, and now that same video is 608 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 1: used to justify no bail. 609 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: That's bass Ackwards. 610 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 14: You know what, Nancy, I think these images here. Why 611 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 14: and the question is why would someone see it differently 612 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 14: than another. It's difficult to say. I think we all 613 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 14: are seeing for what it is, and I think you 614 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 14: know these images. We'd like to almost have many cases 615 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 14: that we work on over the years have such compelling 616 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 14: images as we've seen here, as tragedy as they are, 617 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 14: because it tells the story, and why someone would interprete 618 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 14: it one with the other I don't understand. And unfortunately, 619 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 14: as we know is that was part of the system 620 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 14: here that failed poor the poor child and led to 621 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 14: his ultimately death. 622 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 11: On cross examination, Christopher Gregor's attorney, Mario Galucci, tries to 623 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 11: show a different side of Corey's grieving mother. Galucci asks 624 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 11: Brianna Mitchello if she and some friends vandalized the home 625 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 11: of Christopher Gregor's parents after the death of her son Corey. 626 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 11: When Galucci asks if she and her friends throw eggs 627 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 11: and dead goldfish at the house, Brianna Mitchello says she 628 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 11: doesn't think it was goldfish, but fish purchased from the supermarket. 629 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 11: Mitchello admits to throwing rocks, dead fish bones, and eggs 630 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 11: at the home of Gregor's parents. 631 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: So we see an age old tactic being used in 632 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: court to Jim Ark joining us from News twelve New Jersey. 633 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: This is after her son is killed and the mom 634 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: nobody would listen to her at all one hundred complaints. She, 635 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: as doctor Bethany pointed out, the only thing she could do. 636 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: She posted on Facebook basically, can somebody listen to me? 637 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: So she goes by and throws some dead fish. She 638 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: got the supermarket at their house. Now what, she's the 639 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: bad person. 640 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 5: You got to look at the timeline of this. 641 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 9: So for months and months after her son died, Christopher 642 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 9: was only charged with child endangerment until the murder charges, 643 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 9: until that second autopsy came out. So she forms a 644 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 9: Facebook group Justice for Corey, and this was brought up 645 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 9: on the second day of testimony as well, trying to 646 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 9: find posters in that privately on Facebook group signs of 647 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 9: aggression toward the Gregor family. 648 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 5: It was brought up briefly and then. 649 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 9: Mario, the attorney for Christopher Gregor, brought up a dead 650 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 9: fish in court. It was objected, it was shut down, 651 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 9: but the point was in the court this was all 652 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 9: happening from a grieving mother's perspective. 653 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: Got it, you know? Before you run out of time. 654 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: I want to go to Jarrett Fiorentino and correct me 655 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: if my facts are wrong. 656 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: Jarrett Fiorentino and. 657 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: Bill Dilla, You've dealt with so many perps when they 658 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: go on the run. Flight is evidence of guilt. And 659 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: in this case, after Corey died, the dad is not 660 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: sticking around. 661 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 2: He hauls booty and hides out in a motel. I 662 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,959 Speaker 2: believe in Tennessee. How does that look to you, Jarrett. 663 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: Fiarantino, Because I say, well, you don't know a horse. 664 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: Look at his track record. Deadbeat dad covered in bruises 665 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: take so often takes off to Tennessee. It hides out. 666 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 10: It looks to me like consciousness of guilt, Nancy. And 667 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 10: if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, 668 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 10: it's a duck. So a jury can be instructed. It's 669 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 10: so critical in the law that when someone takes off 670 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 10: when they're in trouble, a jury is actually, as you know, instructed. 671 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 10: Flight or running away is consciousness of guilt, and a 672 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 10: jury can consider that. Think about any time people ever 673 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 10: run away in their life, what are they running away 674 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 10: from trouble? He ran away because he knew he was 675 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 10: going to have to answer for the injuries that were 676 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 10: all over Corey and everything that happened to Corey at 677 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 10: that point. So it's flight, it's consciousness of guilt. It 678 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 10: will be the final nail in a lot of nails 679 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 10: in what undoubtedly will be the coffin of mister Gregor. 680 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: You know what, Jeron Farantino, I would like to agree 681 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: with you, But do I have to say A J. Simpson, 682 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: Robert Blake, Michael Jackson. I don't know what this jury's 683 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: going to do. 684 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: Bill Bill Day for FBI flight. 685 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: Instead of sticking around, Daddy takes off, flees the jurisdiction 686 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: and hies out in a Tennessee motel. 687 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 14: Night exactly, Nancy, And I mean, in addition to the 688 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 14: legal view of this, here's the emotional viewer saying, you know, 689 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 14: where was he when, you know, when when people around 690 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 14: him needed him, when when the grieving mother maybe needed him, 691 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 14: when he needed to be there to kind of you know, 692 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 14: close this loop with his his dead son. You know, 693 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 14: where was he at that time? And I think you 694 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 14: know as much as they are talking about, you know, 695 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 14: the mother and maybe some relatives throwing rocks and fish. 696 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 14: You know, at at Gregor's parents home. You know, this 697 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 14: goes far beyond that. In my view, is that he 698 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 14: wasn't there for anyone. He wasn't there for for you know, 699 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 14: close that close that final chapter in his son's life. 700 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 14: By being there when his son is being being waked 701 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 14: or perhaps being buried, It just doesn't doesn't jive with me, 702 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 14: and it goes to that whole issue of flight and 703 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 14: his his sense of responsibility. 704 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: This going on right now, we wait as justice unfolds, 705 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: God willing for six year old Corey. Now we stop 706 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: and remember American hero police officer Michael Hussack. Thirty seven. 707 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: Officer Hussack shot in the line of duty, leaving behind 708 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: a grieving wife, Caitlin, and children Nicole, Gabriel and Samuel 709 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: sentenced to life without dad. American hero police Officer Michael Hussack. 710 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests for being with us, 711 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight and 712 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: every night. Nancy Grace signing off good night for him.