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Speaker 1: First of all, Man, we appreciate you coming on the

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Speaker 1: show with us.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Your story from washing from start to finish. Man, that

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Speaker 1: is inspiring. Like, man, you improved everybody wrong every time,

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Speaker 1: so we can't do nothing but root for you man

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Speaker 1: every time you get your opportunity. Man, But we really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being on the show with it, Bro, So

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Speaker 1: thank you rocking with it Man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: This is, you know, a legendary to be around you too,

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Speaker 4: especially two guys that you know, I looked up to

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Speaker 4: while I was growing up, So I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bush your.

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Speaker 3: Dann When I first got to the.

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Speaker 4: League, The first person, Ah, dang, that's time. It was

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Speaker 4: Curry for sure.

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Speaker 3: Curry. Curry was because and.

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Speaker 4: They had that Bay Area little rivalry and they and

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Speaker 4: when I first got to.

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Speaker 3: League, Curry the Warriors wasn't really.

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Speaker 4: Good, Like that was kind of on the fence of

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Speaker 4: being good. So like that was one that was a tough.

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Speaker 4: But we had our battles, like we had our battles.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, he got me. He got me a

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Speaker 4: few times until I tried to slowly start figuring it out.

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Speaker 3: Then my opportunity came more.

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Speaker 4: So that was the thing, like he was getting me

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Speaker 4: and I just couldn't get back at them because I

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Speaker 4: was like, get me a few and then I'm getting

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Speaker 4: suped out type thing exactly shots you get five. So

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Speaker 4: once my opportunities start coming, I started to get my

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Speaker 4: get back. But yeah, Steph was definitely one of the

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Speaker 4: guys that got me early.

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Speaker 3: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 2: We live on location, Las Vegas, Nevada, NBA Summer League

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four eight Lounge inside Resort World, Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: We live on location.

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Speaker 2: I got the blackest one with me and we got

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Speaker 2: a special special guest today. Man, my main man from Tacoma, Washington,

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Speaker 2: mister slow grind himself, Isaiah Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you, man, I appreciate y'all have me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: This is big. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Tacoma, Washington. So the Isaiah Thomas name came from

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Speaker 1: a bet that your pops lost.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's two sides to the story. So my

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Speaker 4: dad a big Laker fan. My dad's side of the

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Speaker 4: family's from La so Brainwashington, and being a Laker fan

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Speaker 4: growing up, my dad had a little wager with one

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Speaker 4: of his best friends. If the Pistons beat the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: your name me Isaiah Thomas or Isaiah. It's spelled different

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Speaker 4: because my mom liked the name, but she grew up

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Speaker 4: it's like two sides to it. Like that's what I

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Speaker 4: was told when I was growing up. So we luckily

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit of luck in that.

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Speaker 1: Seattle got a rich history of basketball. Like, man, some

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Speaker 1: of the best basketball players of them came out of Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Who was it when you was coming up that she

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Speaker 1: was seeing that? She was like, man, I want to

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Speaker 4: So the first one that I seen was Nate Robinson,

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Speaker 3: And then I got to know him growing up.

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Speaker 4: But then like the biggest one, obviously, as you guys know,

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Speaker 4: two guys that really meant toward me. Like I've known

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Speaker 4: had a relationship with Jason Jamal. As I got into

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Speaker 3: As you know, Nate is one of a kind.

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Speaker 4: So those are the three guys that really like from

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Speaker 3: And then like.

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Speaker 4: Without those guys, I definitely wouldn't have had the career

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Speaker 1: When I watch your game, you've been a smaller player,

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Speaker 1: you can't make mistakes, Like everything got to count with you.

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Speaker 1: So when you was coming up, who was telling you like, no,

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Speaker 4: To just those guys, you know those guys, But Damon

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mighty Mouse. I got a Mighty Mouse tattoo because

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Speaker 4: Like he was a big inspiration to you know, my

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Speaker 4: It's tough. It's tough because you got to be like

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Speaker 3: I step on the floor exactly, And.

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Speaker 4: You know it's not fair, but that was That's just

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Speaker 3: My kids, you gotta.

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Speaker 4: Be like, obviously you can't be perfect, but you got

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Speaker 4: And you know, I take those opportunities and run with them,

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Speaker 4: Damon Star did for me.

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Speaker 2: At what point do you feel like you started to

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Speaker 4: But because when I grew up, I played a year

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Speaker 3: Had a little bit again. Recognition felt exactly, it felt good.

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Speaker 4: Down the road, it just started to get bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 1: He went, Yeah, what made you go from average thirty

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to. It was I had to get

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Speaker 4: my academics in order. So my junior year of high school,

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Speaker 4: coaching staff hit me like, we got to make a move,

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Speaker 4: Like it was already always on the radar a little bit,

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Speaker 4: And it's like the competition was way better, Like that

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Speaker 3: You don't want to do what I had to do.

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Speaker 3: During my junior year. Then my dad like, let's just

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Speaker 4: So then once I didn't go to Indiana, I was like, shit,

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Speaker 4: So it was like Yukon came on in Kentucky. Although

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Speaker 4: So there were so many times that I was really

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Speaker 3: Dollars Romar was still there. Yeah, Romar was there. So

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you a story about Romo.

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Speaker 1: Romar used to be the coach for Saint Louis and

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Speaker 4: He don't look like he got game, and he lefty

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Speaker 3: And I'm just going to toss this ship. Man. He

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Speaker 4: I said he almost don't talked about it is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me this. How dope was it?

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Speaker 3: And you dubbed to wear the number two? All the

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Speaker 4: Like once I started at that age, I started becoming

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Speaker 4: It gave me extra motivation, Like I got to take

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't surprised because, like I said, prep school really

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Speaker 4: So when I got the opportunity, it was like I

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Speaker 3: So it was like, how dope was that? At the crib,

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Speaker 4: So it was definitely a surrell and adult feeling. And then,

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Speaker 1: To get Freshman of the Year. Then your sophomore year

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Speaker 4: Look the buzzer beater was crazy because it was in

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Speaker 4: Staples Center, so like that's where like my idol is

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Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant. The whole time that possession, the fast forward

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Speaker 3: It was a cool game winner.

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Speaker 4: I think the best thing about it was Gus Johnson

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Speaker 4: He called me young Zeke like he was like a

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Speaker 4: hitting a game winner on national TV. It was the

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Speaker 4: Pac ten championship game, the last year of the Pack

445
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Speaker 4: ten as well, so it was definitely one of the

446
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Speaker 4: moments you dream of. And it's funny because when I

447
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 4: hit the shot, and like that night, I kind of

448
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 4: knew I was going to.

449
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 3: The league, Like I was like, man, I'm not I'm

450
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 3: putting my name in the draft.

451
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Speaker 4: After that like, other than winning the national championship, my

452
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 4: stock wasn't really going to go no higher.

453
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Speaker 3: So I was like, it might be rap. It might

454
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Speaker 3: be a rap.

455
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Speaker 4: So that was That was a good little moment, and

456
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 4: I always, you know, look back on those moments because

457
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 4: like college was the best time of my life.

458
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 3: Like I still have those. Some of my closest friends

459
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: are from my college team.

460
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Speaker 1: So what was the conversation with Romo when you told him?

461
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 1: You just said you want to skip your senior year

462
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Speaker 1: and get.

463
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: On so Romar Romar.

464
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Speaker 4: When I had that conversation with him, at first, he

465
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 4: was like, you sure, because like he wasn't hearing like

466
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 4: I was gonna be a first round pick.

467
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Speaker 3: He wasn't hearing none of that.

468
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 4: So he was like, I'm gonna go see what I'm

469
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 4: hearing and then i'll give you the feedback.

470
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Speaker 3: I was like, okay.

471
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Speaker 4: When he came back, he's like, I think it would

472
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 4: be best for you to stay another year. And then

473
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 4: it's crazy because he's like, you know, if you stay

474
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 4: another year, you can be the all time leading scorer

475
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: in you Dub history. You could be the all time

476
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Speaker 4: leading assist leader in you Dub history. You can be

477
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,719
Speaker 4: first team All American. He was laying all of it

478
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 4: out and it sounded dope, but it was like I

479
00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: remember when I told him, I said, I said, my

480
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: goal was never to be the number one leading scorer

481
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 4: in college or in u F history. My goal wasn't

482
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 4: to be the assist leader, like, my goal was to

483
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: use this to try to get to the league. And

484
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,239
Speaker 4: when I told him that, and Romar has always been

485
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 4: real with me, like since day one the most authentic

486
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 4: coach I've ever been around. When I told him, man,

487
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: he looked as smile. He's like, all right, I'm writing

488
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: with you, so you want to make that decision. I'll

489
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 4: be here every morning to help you out and figure

490
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Speaker 4: out how we're going to make this happen. And he

491
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 4: was there every morning. I went every morning at six

492
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: am at you worked out with a trainer, and he

493
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 4: was there every morning sitting down and just evaluating and watching.

494
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Speaker 3: And Romar is one of my biggest supporters.

495
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 4: And you know, without him, I definitely wouldn't be in

496
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Speaker 4: the position I am in today. I definitely wouldn't have

497
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Speaker 4: the career I've had in the NBA and in college.

498
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Speaker 4: And like I said, he's one of the most like

499
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Speaker 4: the realist coaches that I've ever been around. Now I

500
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: always give my flowers a coach role for sure.

501
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Speaker 1: How was your draft, Like how many teams did you

502
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: work out for?

503
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 3: I probably worked out for like eighteen teams, so.

504
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 4: It was it was a lot because yeah, yeah, yeah,

505
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 4: yeah it was.

506
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: And I wasn't like, you know, for sure, first round pick.

507
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 4: I was hearing like I was I was beginning of

508
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 4: the second round, middle of the second round.

509
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Speaker 3: I remember I had to work out with the Bulls.

510
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 4: They had two picks, the twenty eighth and thirtieth in

511
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: the end of the first round, and that was one

512
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 4: of my best workouts and they said, if you're around,

513
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: we might and we're looking for a guard, we might

514
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: take you into consideration. So that was one of my

515
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: first round opportunities. And then when that pick went by,

516
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: it was like I knew I was in the first round.

517
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Speaker 1: You didn't get discouraged hearing it like second round or not.

518
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: Get because my goal was always to go to the NBA.

519
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 4: So like I was, I was cool with going back

520
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: to college, but it was like, what am I doing

521
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 4: it for?

522
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Speaker 3: That's not my goal.

523
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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about you hearing second round. You know,

524
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: second round is not guaranteed.

525
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Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm a bet on myself.

526
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 4: I really was like when I hit that shot in

527
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: college and we went to the NCAA tournament three times,

528
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: I won three Pac ten championships, Like realistically, I wasn't.

529
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: I didn't think we was gonna really win a national championship,

530
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Speaker 4: and that will probably have raised my stock just a

531
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: little more because you gotta realize I'm five nine too,

532
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 4: Like there ain't too much more I can do.

533
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: And I was doing a lot in college.

534
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 4: So for my stock to be where it was, it

535
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 4: was like, realistically, it's not going to get any higher.

536
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: So when I talked to.

537
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Speaker 4: The guys that you know, there was mentors to me,

538
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 4: Damon Start to Maya, Gary Payne at that time, Jamal Crawford,

539
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 4: Jason Terry, like they set out a formula for me

540
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 4: and and I went by it every day. I trained

541
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Speaker 4: every day. I trained two to three times a day,

542
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 4: and I really just bet on myself. I said, if

543
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: I get the opportunity, I know what I'm gonna do

544
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: with it. So I went in there. I worked out

545
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 4: for eighteen twenty teams. I served every workout. I dominated

546
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: every workout. Like I didn't just beat these guys out.

547
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: I dominated every workout. I was in every workout. I

548
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: was the most prepared in every workout. Jason Terry was

549
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: going through the NBA playoffs. That's the year they won

550
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 4: the championship in Dallas. I lived in Dallas for two months.

551
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: Every time he had the chance. We used to wake

552
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: up at six in the morning. I was on the track.

553
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: I was in the gym twice a day, so I

554
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: was prepared. I already knew.

555
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Speaker 4: Once I got to the draft, I really thought I

556
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 4: was going to be like an early second round pick.

557
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: So that's why I really kept my name in the draft.

558
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: I was like, if I could be a second round pick,

559
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 4: I can get the training camp. Actually I was like,

560
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: I can get the summer league. And it's crazy because

561
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: we had a luck out that year, so everything was

562
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: stacked against me. I didn't have summer league to showcase nothing.

563
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 4: I didn't the Kings end up picking me with the

564
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Speaker 4: last pick.

565
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Speaker 3: How did you do your draft?

566
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Speaker 2: Did you just have a get together to create like

567
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: a party of Sonora.

568
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 4: I had to get together, so I had a little

569
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: draft party with my family and my close friends and

570
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: It's crazy because I was at the University of Washington

571
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 4: with all my ut up teammates watch We.

572
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't really watching the draft.

573
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: We were just on the court, just shooting around, shooting

574
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: shit and trying to get my mind off the draft.

575
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: My friends and my family was out on the apartment

576
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: complex because we had a little get together. So I

577
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: remember that was the longest day of my life. The

578
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: longest day of my life. I was really the last

579
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 4: pick in the draft.

580
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: You give up? Did you give up?

581
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: At one point, look, the Bulls went by the twenty

582
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: eighth and thirty pick. I'm like, okay, the Lakers have

583
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: four picks in the second round and they needed guards,

584
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: and they told me, if you're there at that point,

585
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: we taking guards. And I had a really good workout.

586
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: They took I think two guards. One guard played maybe

587
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 4: that first season. The other guard never even had an

588
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: NBA game. So once those picks were done, I think

589
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: they last pick was like fifty four.

590
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: Once that was done, that's.

591
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 4: When I started to think, like, damn, I might not

592
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to figure this out, like I might

593
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: not get drafted. I remember my mom calling me, She's like,

594
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: are you good?

595
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: Are you all right.

596
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, I mean, I'm okay. I remember, and she

597
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: said remember she read a scripture out. It was like

598
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: the first shall be last and the last shall be first,

599
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: one of the scriptures in the Bible. And at that

600
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 4: point I'm listening, but I'm like, I'm like, damn, did

601
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 4: I make the wrong decision because at that point it

602
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: was like towards the end of the draft. I remember

603
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: after fifty eighth pick, my agent called me. I ended

604
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: up leaving the gym because I'm going to head to

605
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: back to the apartment because the draft about to be over.

606
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm.

607
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: Gonna just head back to the apartment and see what's

608
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: happening over there. My agent called me right when I

609
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: get to the apartment, He's like the Kings. I forgot

610
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: how even my first workout was the Kings. I forgot

611
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: I even worked out with the Kings. He like, the

612
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: King's gonna pick you with the last pick. That was

613
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: like the best news I ever liked. My goal going

614
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 4: into the draft, I said, whether I get picked first

615
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: or last, like, I just want to hear my name

616
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: called at the end of the day. I just wanted

617
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: to hear my name called That's been a goal of

618
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: mine my whole life. And when he called me and

619
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: told me that, it's crazy, it was like a movie.

620
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: I walked.

621
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: My parents don't even know yet, So I walk in

622
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: at like the fifty ninth pick, right when the city

623
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: said with the sixtieth picked the Sacramento Kings, and they

624
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: didn't even know they over there. Kind of sad because

625
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 4: they're not even knowing that and the drafts almost over it,

626
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: said Adam Silver said. The Kings selected Isaiah Thomas, and

627
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 4: everybody just start tripping. And I knew like a couple

628
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: of minutes before, but it was like a blessing in disguise.

629
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: It was like everything I dreamed of. Like I didn't

630
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: even care what it was the last pick at that point.

631
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: And then you know how they do they call you.

632
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: After the Kings called me, they was excited. I didn't

633
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: know what was going to happen. They was excited. They like,

634
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: we can't wait to see you, we can't wait to

635
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: have you here. We think we got to steal in

636
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: the drift. And once they were saying all that, then

637
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I got a chance, Like this

638
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: is this is all I asked for this was all

639
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: I asked for. So it turned into the longest day

640
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: of my life, but like one of the best days

641
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: of my life at the same time.

642
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: Even though I was the last pick in the draft.

643
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: You recorded a documentary series then, and I know you

644
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: probably looked back on it since then, But how was

645
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: that to record your every movement for this road to that?

646
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 4: It was everything because during that draft process, I had

647
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: a guy who's one of my close friends to this

648
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: Day's name is TJ. We actually have a production company

649
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 4: together called Slow Grind Media, so because we want to

650
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: do a movie when it's done, and we've been filming

651
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: since twenty ten, so I got all that footage since

652
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 4: twenty ten. So I wanted to really because I know

653
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: a lot of guys got my type of story and

654
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: back against the wall, against all odds type of story.

655
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: So I wanted to document that.

656
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 4: And then when we put it out, that was one

657
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: of the best little docuseries that we've ever done, and

658
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: it inspired so many people like I go around to

659
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: this day and people be like, man, I'll be watching

660
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: that Book of Isaiah.

661
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: That's what we named it. I'll be watching the Book

662
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: of Isaiah. Man.

663
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: That was a crazy time in my life, and that's

664
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: what we did it for. So then, like my story

665
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: relates to so many guys out there trying to make

666
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: their dream come true and this being counted out, it's

667
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 4: being given up. I wanted to be as real as

668
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: possible and showing like not just the good part of

669
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: my story, but the difficult parts as well.

670
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you started playing, how did you approach it?

671
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Because you won Western Conference Rookie of the Month twice

672
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: being a sixt year pick, Like, how did you approach

673
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: like them practices?

674
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: And so at first I wasn't playing at all, Like

675
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: my rest in Peace. My first coach was Paul west Fall,

676
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: Like they said I was on the team, but like

677
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 4: he didn't say I was gonna get a chance or anything.

678
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: So in practice, which is crazy my the I think

679
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: the seventh pick in that draft was Jimmer for that

680
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: we had picked Jimmer for that, and then another guy

681
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: rest in Peace, Tyler Huntcut was the early second round pick.

682
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: So going into the training camp, I was just like,

683
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick guys up full court.

684
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm an outwork guys.

685
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be the first, Like literally I would be

686
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: the first guy here, the last guy to leave. At

687
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: that point, I had my oldest son, so I didn't

688
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: have like crazy responsibilities, but I had a lot of

689
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: time on my hands, so I was always in the gym.

690
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: I was really I was at Jimmer for dead every

691
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: day and I got all these back. I had nothing

692
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: to do with nothing to do with him. He was

693
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: just in the way with what I was trying to do.

694
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: I was at his ass every day. Then we had

695
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: Tyreek Evans too, so I was I was just trying

696
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: to figure out how to stay alive. And all I

697
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: knew was I'm gonna outwork these dudes and I'm gonna

698
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: just be a killer every day.

699
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be here.

700
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: So at that point, I was there every day. I

701
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: didn't play the first probably ten fifteen games. Like when

702
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: I did get in, it'd be like we're down twenty

703
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: five with the last two minutes of the game. So

704
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: I just showcased that I belonged every chance I got.

705
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 4: And then I remember Paul westwalks fired, Keith Smart comes in,

706
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: he keep Smart, He's playing me a little bit more.

707
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: And then one day we in Detroit. He comes to

708
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: me in the morning before shoot around. He's like he's

709
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: I want to meet with you. So we meet before

710
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: shoot around. He's like, I t I'm a I'm thinking

711
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: about starting you. I'm not even knowing this is about

712
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: to happen.

713
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: He who am.

714
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm over here trying to be calm. I'm like,

715
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: starting me. He said, I'm thinking about starting you. But

716
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you one thing. He's like, if you

717
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: don't do your thing, that's your ass and my ass.

718
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, say no more.

719
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: So we go to shoot around. I'm not in the

720
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: starting lineup yet. We go to shoot around. We meet

721
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: before the game. When we get in the locker room,

722
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm gonna pull the plug. I'm gonna start you.

723
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: Just go out there and make shit happen. And I'm like,

724
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: I got you that game. I think I had a

725
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: solid game. I had like fourteen and seven. I think

726
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: we win. I play a lot. The next game, we

727
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: play Kyrie Irvans. So it's the first pick, the last pick.

728
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: I had twenty three, twelve and nine that second game.

729
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: This is my second starting game. Now after that, it

730
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: was all she wrote. So you said the two player

731
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: of the months. I start playing and that's all I needed.

732
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: I was able to see a little bit of success,

733
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: and I knew I was getting like twenty five to

734
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: thirty minutes. Y'all know, once you get that and you

735
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: know where your shots is coming from and your time

736
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: is coming. It was like I was already prepared for

737
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: those moments. So when I got the opportunity, I never

738
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: looked back like I started the rest of that year.

739
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: I like think that I think the last like thirty games,

740
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: Like you said, I got Player of the Month, I

741
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: end up getting I think second team.

742
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: All, second team All Rookie. Did you ever look at

743
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: it like this is crazy? Yeah?

744
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: There was times where like, oh man, I always got

745
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: these things, but for it to happen in real time,

746
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: like I would sit back sometimes and just be smiling

747
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: because like the go.

748
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: To six, be the sixtieth pick, then you know, you

749
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: get there and you get like you said.

750
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: And I know Sober League, I had Tyreek is coming

751
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: off Rookie of the Year twenty five and five, like

752
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: him and Lebron's the only guys doing that. Marcus Thornton

753
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: just got his little deal, so he's playing and it's

754
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: a young team. You know how that is, Like I'm

755
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: not about to be playing over it. I really just

756
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: like when he started me, we moved Tyreek to the

757
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: two guard, and then I just start playing. And then

758
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: after that happened, it was like I knew I'd belong,

759
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: Like I knew I can play in the NBA, and

760
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: then the success that was coming, it was just I

761
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: was prepared for.

762
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: You the shortest player in NBA history record a triple double.

763
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.

764
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Tell us about that game. How you was like feeling

765
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: like it was twenty four, eleven and ten.

766
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was against the Wizards. I remember that game.

767
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: I remember that game. I never thought That's one thing

768
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: I never thought I would ever do.

769
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: It's a triple double. Like I never thought first I

770
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: would get enough rebounds. That was the biggest thing. Like

771
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: I was always cool with maybe getting close to a

772
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 4: double double or getting a double double, but the triple

773
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: double was like when I had the rebounds, I think

774
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: I had eleven rebounds or ten rebounds.

775
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: It was something like that.

776
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: Players on my team was hyping me, like get the rebound,

777
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: go get the rebound, to get the triple double. So

778
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: when I when I was able to accomplish that, that

779
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: was one of my you know, special accomplishments in my career,

780
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: just because I don't think another short guy is gonna

781
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: get a triple double. So I can always say I'm

782
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: the shortest guy to get a triple double. So that

783
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: was something that that was really cool for me and

784
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: definitely was a surprise. That was something that was not

785
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: on my radar.

786
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: Ever.

787
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: So when you're going back to the crib, I know

788
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: you you worked all the way to get it, but

789
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: now you're going.

790
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: Back to the crib.

791
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: You averaging a duve in sixth points in the league,

792
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: small guard like the guys you come up with, I know,

793
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, when you go back to the crib and

794
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: guys see, like, man, you starting in the league, in

795
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the league, you.

796
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: Averaging that du in that league. I was that. You know.

797
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: The craziest thing for my situation is like everybody back

798
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: at the crib, like since I was a little boy,

799
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: expects me to go get.

800
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: Twenty to twenty five. That's just what I've always done.

801
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: So like when I was able to start doing that

802
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: in the league, and when I went back home, it

803
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: wasn't even no surprise for my closest homies. It wasn't

804
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: even surprise for the people in my city of Tacoma.

805
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: They was really like on some about time because they've

806
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: never seen nothing else from me. They've never seen like

807
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: whether it be in high school, college, I was always

808
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: kind of able to do my thing, and the scoring

809
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: has always been my thing. So when I was able

810
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: to get the opportunity in the NBA, like it was

811
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: just like another day at the office. I got my time,

812
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: I got my opportunity, and I had a coach that

813
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: believed in me. Like so when I was able to

814
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: average a dub, obviously, I would sit back at the crib.

815
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 3: Like, damn, I'm managing twenty in the league.

816
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: I really believed I can do it, but I never

817
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: thought it was going to really happen. So when I

818
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: did that, that was just like another crazy moment in

819
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: my career. Like I had so many of them, crazy

820
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 4: like pinch me moments. They're like they just became normal

821
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: to me, Like I just wanted a little more, Like

822
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: when I averaged twenty.

823
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, dang, I think I can average twenty five.

824
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: And then when I.

825
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: Averaged I remember like a couple of years after I

826
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: averaged twenty three my first year with the Celtic.

827
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 3: Then that summer. I'm like, damn, I think I caveraged thirty.

828
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: Like I was always only two or three most shots.

829
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I was always breaking the game down like that.

830
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: Like once my opportunity was there, I didn't feel like

831
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: nobody could fuck with me?

832
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Like real talk, how did you handle the sign and trade?

833
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: Like you? Because I when I went.

834
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: To when I went to the Sons, when I had

835
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: my little recruiting pitch to their sons, they catered to

836
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: me so like they got me.

837
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: It was like a college visit. It was like one

838
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: of them college visits.

839
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: They said all the right stuff, and then it was

840
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: I wanted to be there like Phoenix. I thought was

841
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 4: a good little situation for me. So, but the thing

842
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: we had to do was the sign and trade.

843
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: So that was that was it.

844
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: But how did it feel to be the sixtieth pick

845
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: finally get a chance to play with the King and

846
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: a whole nother organization want to talk to you. They

847
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: want you to come over here and play.

848
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: Crazy because nobody thought like the sixtieth pig. Like I

849
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: said earlier, I didn't even have a summer league. Usually

850
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 4: that's the time where I can showcase it. I'm good

851
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: enough I didn't have no summer league the lockout. The

852
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 4: lockout lasted into December, so I had no real chance

853
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: to really get in the league. So fast forward three

854
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: years later, I'm really signing a free agent deal on

855
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: the first day of the first or second day of

856
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: free agency. Like that was crazy to think about, Like

857
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: that wasn't even on my radar. So to be able

858
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: to accomplish that, that just show like I stayed down

859
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 4: to what I always envisioned that I can do. And

860
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: then to have another organization really want me to come

861
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 4: in and sign and be a piece of what they

862
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: got going on, it was like that was like another

863
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: welcome to the NBA moment, Like that was my first

864
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: time that somebody really like wanted me for who I am.

865
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: Because you know how it is like being small, they

866
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: kind of put you in a box. They don't want

867
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: you to score too much. They don't want you to

868
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: So it was like I was always fighting that uphill

869
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 4: battle of like, oh, he's just a small another small

870
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: guy that likes to score, Like you know that, that's

871
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: just the jacket they put on you. So it was

872
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: an uphill battle, always fighting.

873
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: That's what the NBA do, Like they do that with

874
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: every single guy, Like every single he's just a shooter,

875
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: or he just played defense, or he's just a small

876
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: guy that play this way, or he a big guy

877
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: that do this. I don't know why they do that

878
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: all the time. They put you in the box and

879
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: they try to and they do it for the rest

880
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: of your career. It's not just a moment that what they.

881
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: Put you in that box. It's like you gotta figure

882
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: out how to get out of it. Trying to get

883
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: out of it.

884
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it after you know what I'm saying,

885
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: like getting to going to Phoenix, somewhere you wanted to be,

886
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: thought they wanted to be.

887
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: How was it when you found out you getting traded

888
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: to the Celtics.

889
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 4: So that was tough because in Phoenix, I just signed

890
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: a four year deal. I'm thinking exactly like, I'm not

891
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: thinking I'm getting traded the first year. So come all

892
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 4: Star Break around the trade deadline, I just do the

893
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 4: Little Skills Challenge too. I'm in the Little Skills Challenge

894
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: with my Phoenix Jersey on thinking I'm gonna be there

895
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: at least the rest of the year. We're in playoff race.

896
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: Everything. I think we was like the six or seventh seed.

897
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: At that point, Goring tragic demands he demands the trade,

898
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: so we already know at the trade deadline he's trying

899
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: to get traded. Craziest thing. I'm gonna break down the

900
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: whole story to you. We're about to leave the Minnesota

901
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: So in Phoenix, we're on the team bus waiting for

902
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: the trade deadline to go, like waiting whatever at three o'clock.

903
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: But it is one of them because we know one

904
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 4: player is about to dip. He demanded the trade. They're

905
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: kind of beefing, so we wait. He ends up getting traded,

906
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: getting traded to Miami. So once we make that trade,

907
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 4: everybody's like, okay, this is a squad we got and

908
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: the deadline just passed. It like a minute or two

909
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: past the deadline. My agent hits me before the deadline

910
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: is like, there's like maybe a ten percent chance you

911
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: might be in a deal, but that's I don't think

912
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: it's gonna happen. And once the time went by, I'm like, oh,

913
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: I'm cool. We're on the back of the bus the

914
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 4: whole team. Everybody's like, oh, it's good. This is the team.

915
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 4: Were rocking with the rest of the way, I remember

916
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: branding right left hand big.

917
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: He like, I t he looked at his fro RT.

918
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 3: You just got traded. I'm like, no, I didn't. He looked.

919
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: He showed me the phone.

920
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: It's like on a little ESPN little clip traded to

921
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: the Boston Celtic. First off, I'm thinking, I'm finally on

922
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: the playoff team. I've been on a losing team for

923
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: three years. I'm finally on the playoff team. Boston just

924
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: traded Rondo like a month ago. They don't got their

925
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 4: big three. They in rebuild mode. I'm like, man, I'm

926
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: not trying to go to no fucking Boston like I was.

927
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 4: I was hot about that, Like it caught me by surprise.

928
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: I was hot.

929
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: Crazy thing is first person who calls me the older

930
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas.

931
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: He like, I know you probably emotional.

932
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 4: You got a lot of things going on right now,

933
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: but this is gonna be the best movie your career.

934
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm not even thinking it is. He called me. I'm

935
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: like and he told me.

936
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm telling you, this is gonna be the

937
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: best thing that happened to your career. At that point,

938
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm not even seeing where he's coming from. I'm like, Boston.

939
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: It's cold.

940
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't even own a cold at that time. It's

941
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: it's February.

942
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: I'm going to get I'm going to practice like this,

943
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: it's eighty degrees. I'm thinking about it. They in rebuild mode.

944
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: They not that good at that point, and it's cold.

945
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: So when he.

946
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: Breaks that down to me, I'm like, yeah, I mean

947
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: I can see it, but I don't know what they're thinking.

948
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 4: So Danny Ainge calls me. He's excited. He's like, man,

949
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: welcome to the squad. We're excited to get you. We've

950
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 4: been looking for a player like you. We don't got

951
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: that on his team. So it was that was my

952
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 4: first time really being traded. Obviously the signing trade happened

953
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: with the Phoenix Huns, but this is my first time

954
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: that that happening to me mid season, and the way

955
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: it did it was tough. I didn't think it was

956
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 4: gonna be a good opportunity, our good situation. I thought

957
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: it was gonna be a good opportunity because they didn't

958
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: really have any solidified player. They was going through rebuil

959
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: mod so I was thinking, damn, I'm gonna come in

960
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: and play again. But like, it's not going to be

961
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: winning basketball, which I was trying to go towards that

962
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: in my career, and when that happened, I was just

963
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what

964
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: to expect with Boston. But obviously fast forward, it was

965
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: kind of one of the best situations for me. And

966
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 4: it was a good situation because it was a team

967
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: that wanted me for who I was and allowed me

968
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: to be who I was, And it was a team

969
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: that I needed somebody to allow me to believe in

970
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: me and who I was at being a five to

971
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: nine scoring guard, which is basically unheard of in NBA.

972
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: So when I did a training camp with Boston, ain't

973
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: never get a chance to really get I got cut

974
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the two months I was there being

975
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: in the organization like that, went out and been to

976
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: different organization, seeing the banners in the practice facility, the arena,

977
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: like the aura of the Boston Celtics organization. How did

978
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: that feel and did you feel the same thing that

979
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I was feeling?

980
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: When Yeah, you feel that right when you walk in

981
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: you see all the pictures of all the greats, you

982
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: see the banners. It's a different energy in Boston, like right,

983
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: like even when I used to play against Boston, like

984
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: it's cool. You know, the arena's cold, Like you really

985
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: you really ain't chripping on playing against the Celtics like that,

986
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: especially at that time they wasn't as good. But like

987
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: when I got traded there and put on the Boston uniform,

988
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 4: it changed everything. Like you're expected to be great, You're

989
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: expected to win championships. You see Bill Russell around, you

990
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: see Bill Walton rest in peace to all them. You

991
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: see all the greatness in Boston.

992
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: It feel it in there. You feel it. It's an

993
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: energy changer.

994
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: Like you it's like greatness in the air, Like you

995
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: got the Patriots over there just winning super Bowls.

996
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: You got the Boston you.

997
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: Got the Bruins over there winning super Bowl.

998
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: Like it's in the city to be great.

999
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 4: So like that feeling that definitely was a different feeling

1000
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: than when I was in Sacramento, when I was in Phoenix,

1001
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: and any other feeling I had around any other organization.

1002
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: It was like it was like you gotta be great now.

1003
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: They're not satisfied with going to the first round. They're

1004
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: not satisfied with having a little regular season success. They

1005
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: trying to put a banner up.

1006
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: How was it for you when you started to like

1007
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: when you started getting busy over there, and like, how

1008
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: did that compare to like you say, that fan base

1009
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: and the way that they recognized they players and started

1010
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: Like how did that feel walking around that type of

1011
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: city is opposed to being in Sacramento and Phoenix and

1012
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: everything else.

1013
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: Like when you started to win and y'all started to win.

1014
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, nothing against those other franchises either,

1015
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: Like there's no comparison. I bet the Knicks is comparison.

1016
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: You know how you go away game and you you

1017
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: was on the Knicks. You know how you go the

1018
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: way game is all blue and orange and you go

1019
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: to a Boston game. I mean you go to a

1020
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 4: game away game, it's all green in there, Like it's

1021
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: the feeling playing for the Celtics is amazing, Like and

1022
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: then the love you get, the love, like the love

1023
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: that I get to this day. You would think I

1024
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: want a championship there. You would think I had a

1025
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: ten year career there. Like the love is I can't

1026
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: even I can't even describe it. It's like every time

1027
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 4: I go to Boston, every time I'm on social media,

1028
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: every time it doesn't matter like you would think my

1029
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: jersey is retired. In them stands the love that they

1030
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: give me and the love that I got there from

1031
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: day one.

1032
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's just different.

1033
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: It's just it's hard to explain, Like you got to

1034
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: put on that Celtics jersey dude to appreciate the energy

1035
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: and love that that city gives you for just putting

1036
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: your hard hat on every day. Like, I think that's

1037
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 4: why they gave me the love that I got because

1038
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: first off, my story and who I am is relatable

1039
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: to the everyday person, but also just the blood, sweat

1040
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: and tears I put in that Like obviously I put

1041
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: my career on the line for those guys, and the

1042
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: city seen that. So like that love is genuine when

1043
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: that love is is I got real love for Boston,

1044
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: no matter you know, the situation that happened, no matter

1045
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: how how much shit did I went through there, Like

1046
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: I got real genuine love for Boston.

1047
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: I think it's the same for sure.

1048
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: That twenty sixteen seventeen season, you averaged twenty eight. You

1049
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: got the longest consecutive twenty point games in forty three. Yeah,

1050
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: was the number one seed. Crazy, I go all the

1051
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: way to the conference. Find you tied your career high

1052
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: that year, like just All Star game, you know, reserve,

1053
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: Like just explain, like that you the number one seed

1054
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: in the West, you know, the number one seed league.

1055
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: That season was crazy because the season before, I think

1056
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: I averaged like twenty two and a half, Like I

1057
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: had a good year. That was my first All Star year.

1058
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 4: That's when I started to realize, like I'm one of

1059
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 4: them players, Like I'm I'm one of them players. I

1060
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: started to to visualize all that stuff. I started to

1061
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: connect with the great players. That's at the time where

1062
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: I started to build a relationship with Kobe Bryant, build

1063
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: a friendship with Tom Brady. I was super close with

1064
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: Floyd Mayweather. So like I was trying to surround myself

1065
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: with greatness, like I seen where my career was going.

1066
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: Alan Irison was a big mentor of mine. So like

1067
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 4: that summer when I really chopped it up with Ai

1068
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: and he was like, man, you're just like me, You're

1069
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: a killer. That changed everything for me. Like mentally, I

1070
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 4: went to a different level. I remember documenting one thing,

1071
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, Alan iverson average for a career twenty

1072
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: six points a game, like that season, I just had

1073
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: not good enough, like I got to do a little more.

1074
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: I remember going into it. I like my goal I wrote.

1075
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: I write down my goals every year. My goal was

1076
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: the average twenty five that year. The crazy thing about

1077
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 4: that year, that was the first year of my career.

1078
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: I didn't have to look over my shoulder like the

1079
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: first year that.

1080
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: You have to look at the coaches coming down. I

1081
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: didn't have to.

1082
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: Do anything, like they gave me the green light. I

1083
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: was the franchise guy. It just reminded me of high school,

1084
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: like where I knew I was gonna get thirty to

1085
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: thirty five every night, like mentally, I figured the game out.

1086
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: So I like when you said earlier, like two or

1087
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: three extra shots gonna get you to six to eight

1088
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: extra points, like I figured the game.

1089
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: Out to a t.

1090
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 4: So when I was able to have that opportunity that year,

1091
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: every night I knew I was getting thirty. I knew

1092
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: it because I just figured it out. I figured the

1093
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: game out inside and out. I watched film every day.

1094
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 4: I prepared on some Kobe shit like I really did,

1095
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: and he was able to mentor me and like really

1096
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: mold me all year like I used to call Kobe

1097
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: at night, like what do I do when they're defending

1098
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: me like this? We used to watch film like really,

1099
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 4: like he used to really take his time and watch

1100
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: film with me.

1101
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: And it was like my skills were always there, my.

1102
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: Mental just took it to a different less them and

1103
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 4: that's how I was able to have that success. And

1104
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: obviously my teammates allowed me to be who I was.

1105
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: My coaching staff, Brad Stevens, put me in position to

1106
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: be who I was, and they embraced that. Like I

1107
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: said earlier, when I got traded to Boston, it was

1108
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: a team that needed a guy like me, and I

1109
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: needed a team to give me a chance like that,

1110
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: and they did. And every year I just got a

1111
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: little better. Every year I was just a little more

1112
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 4: paranoid to get closer to greatness. When I went into

1113
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: that year, my goal was to average twenty five and

1114
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: I just kept exceeding that.

1115
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: And when I seen.

1116
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: That success, No disrespecting anybody else that I played against

1117
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: that year, but no other guard would even look me

1118
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: in my eye because they knew what it was.

1119
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: It didn't matter who it was, the best of the best.

1120
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: They knew I was coming, not saying I was gonna

1121
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: win that battle that night, but they knew a thirty

1122
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: piece was coming for show. They did, and I seen it,

1123
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: and I felt it, and I felt it, and I

1124
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: know that type of That's why I be telling young

1125
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 4: guys to this day, if you ever get that opportunity

1126
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: to be in that space and to have the opportunity

1127
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: to be a franchise guy, stay in that space as

1128
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: long as you can, because that shit go like this, Yeah.

1129
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: When you heard you it was an All Star reserve.

1130
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: I should have been the started that you heard you.

1131
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 4: That's how much I was trying to take for everybody, Like,

1132
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 4: go ahead, but I should have been a starter for show.

1133
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: And you walk in that locker room and you see

1134
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: the best of the best, you see your last name

1135
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: on the back of that All Star jersey, Like just

1136
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: explaining that weekend for you in general.

1137
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: I rewind to my first All Star year. So the

1138
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: first All Star year in twenty sixteen was Kobe's last

1139
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 4: All Star year, So that was a crazy experience itself.

1140
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: My favorite player ever going out his last All Star

1141
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: year in my first, so that year I was going

1142
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: into it like trying to just like I was enjoying

1143
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: the whole thing.

1144
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: Like I was seeing all the best players that I

1145
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: looked up.

1146
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: To, Dwayne Wade, Lebron, guys that I obviously battle against.

1147
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: But to be a part of that weekend, I always

1148
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: dreamed of that. But I know nobody in they right

1149
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: mind thought I would ever be an All Star. Like

1150
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: there's not I bet my parents didn't even think that

1151
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: shit was gonna happen.

1152
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 3: I know they didn't.

1153
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: Like even if they say they did, I know they didn't.

1154
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 4: So when that happened, it was like one of them accomplishments.

1155
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: It was like like I'm near, like I'm one of

1156
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: the twenty four or however many players. I'm one of

1157
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 4: the twenty four best players in the world. Like nobody

1158
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: can take that from me. So fast forward to my

1159
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: second All Star year, where I'm averaging thirty at that point,

1160
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 4: I think I'm averaging thirty two at that at when

1161
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: All Star break comes that year, the energy was different.

1162
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: I'm walking into their room and them they're they're dapping

1163
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: me up different. They're like he's one of them ones.

1164
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: Like the first year, they're like, congratulations, you made it,

1165
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 4: like the first time all start thing, like you know

1166
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 4: how that like he made it.

1167
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 3: He snuck in here, like I can feel that energy.

1168
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: The second one, they dap me up like I'm one

1169
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 4: of them, like they are welcome again, like the dabbing

1170
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: me up like everybody. It's that mutual respect. Yeah, he's

1171
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: he's really made it like he's one of us. So

1172
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: that All Star year was different. That was amazing to

1173
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: just get that respect from your peers. As you guys know,

1174
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: that means the most. They have that respect from your

1175
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: peers that you're really wanted. It went from being like

1176
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 4: the twenty four best I was. I felt like I

1177
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 4: was like top five at that point. You know, not

1178
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: to sound cocky or anything, that's just how I really felt.

1179
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: And I felt like those other guys felt that same

1180
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: way that year. So it was a dope moment. It

1181
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: was a dope opportunity. Like I cherished those moments because

1182
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: those are some of the best moments of my life,

1183
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: being named the All Star in the NBA, where nobody

1184
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: thought that that was gonna come.

1185
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 3: Nobody did.

1186
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 4: And I think I scored twenty points that game. So

1187
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: that was a good little That was a good little

1188
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 4: cherry on.

1189
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: Top for sure.

1190
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: The next year you won a five players to drop

1191
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: fifty in the playoffs, as a Celtics explain, like, like

1192
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: I remember that game, like like how the crowd was

1193
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: just into it and just so hype, and how you

1194
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: was just feeling yourself in the year.

1195
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: So that game was crazy because as you guys know,

1196
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 4: my sister, my little sister passed away like a month

1197
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: before that, so tragic, tragic car accident. So I was

1198
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: going through hell and shit, like obviously I was injured

1199
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: at that point in time as well, going through my

1200
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: family stuff. And it happened to be her birthday that day,

1201
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: which was crazy because it was just a regular day

1202
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: like that.

1203
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: If you ever watched the.

1204
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: Game, like it wasn't no game where I started out

1205
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: super hot, where I was hitting every shot. Everything was

1206
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: in the flow of that game, like everything how I

1207
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: was scoring, how I was getting my getting off, it

1208
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: was just in the flow of the game. So when

1209
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 4: that happened and I started to get going late in

1210
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: the game, as you said, the crowd was going crazy.

1211
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: But like it was one of the weirdest moments of

1212
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: my life on the basketball court. It was one of

1213
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: the moments where I didn't hear shit, Like it was

1214
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: like I was on the court by myself the zone,

1215
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: in the zone, like I was in the space I

1216
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: never been in before.

1217
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: Like I've scored fifty a few times in the league.

1218
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: I've scored fifty like growing up a lot, but that

1219
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: in that moment, which was my sister's birthday, it was

1220
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: Game two of the NBA Playoffs, which everybody was watching.

1221
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: That was one of the first times in my life

1222
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 4: like I was in one of them spaces where I

1223
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: didn't see nothing. I didn't see what was going on

1224
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: in the crowd. I just felt like I was just

1225
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: in the gym by myself, just shooting back at the

1226
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 4: YMCA and Tacoma, Washington, doing shit I used to do

1227
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 4: when I was like thirteen fourteen years old, go getting

1228
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 4: you know, shooting and going to get my own.

1229
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: Rebound, those type of workouts. Like it felt if the

1230
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: zone is that.

1231
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 4: That's what it felt like like, especially in the second half,

1232
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: every shot, like I was just going through the motions

1233
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 4: getting to my spots knocking.

1234
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the movie six Man. It felt

1235
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: like that.

1236
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 4: It felt like my sister was just there just every

1237
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 4: shot going in, she was like every move going there,

1238
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: I'm just blowing by guys, like not even doing even

1239
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: good moves, just they just letting me go by. It

1240
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: just felt like she was there helping me. Like I've

1241
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 4: been in the zone before, but not that zone.

1242
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: And it was like.

1243
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 4: The best moment through a fucked up situation, the best

1244
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 4: moment for not only myself but for my family, like

1245
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: for my dad, because my dad was going through some

1246
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: that was a tough time in his life, losing his daughter.

1247
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 4: So when I was going through that, in my head,

1248
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: I was just smiling. If you watch the game, I

1249
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: don't show no emotion the whole game. I'm not even

1250
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: like after big plays, I'm not even flexing. I'm not

1251
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 4: doing nothing, because it felt like I was out there

1252
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: by myself and I was just doing moves. I was

1253
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 4: just making shots like by myself and just running back

1254
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: down and it was like like obviously I was going

1255
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: through that, but that was one of the the dopest moments,

1256
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: Like I said, not for myself, but for my family

1257
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: to see that, and it's just see me in the

1258
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 4: zone and us happened to win in the World Watch,

1259
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: like that was inspiring for myself.

1260
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 3: Like that was.

1261
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: I can't even describe those moments because that was like

1262
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: I was going through some real shit.

1263
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: So it was tough.

1264
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: Like when I usually go back home after good games,

1265
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: you know, you be hyped, you'd be like your boys

1266
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: is calling. It wasn't like I wasn't checking my phone

1267
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: or nothing. It was it was like another day at

1268
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: the office, but by myself.

1269
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: So it was.

1270
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: It was amazing moment, but it was a tough moment

1271
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 4: as well. So like I'm always cherish that that was

1272
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: a dope birthday gift for my sister, and it was

1273
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: like one of the best playoff performances like in NBA history,

1274
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 4: So it was.

1275
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 3: It was definitely a special moment.

1276
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: And shout out to six Man, one of the best

1277
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: basketball movies ever.

1278
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 4: That was something I was thinking of after the game,

1279
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: like it felt like that movie.

1280
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 3: Felt like my sister was just carrying me that night.

1281
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown was a rookie that year.

1282
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: We just watched him win Eastern Conference MVP Finals, MVP

1283
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: win a championship, and just seeing how he evolved from

1284
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: that rookie year to the type of player defensively and

1285
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: offensively now just speak on him of what you've seen

1286
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: him as a rookie to what you see now.

1287
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie I didn't see this at all,

1288
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: but you've seen traits of him being great. He was

1289
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: always in the gym, he was always asking questions. I

1290
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: never really seen a rookie like really be asking questions

1291
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: on how to get better, how to do right things

1292
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: to get on the court. So he was always a

1293
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: student of the game. And he just worked like he

1294
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 4: want to play one on one after practice, like he

1295
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: wanted to do all those things.

1296
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: And you've seen the skill set. You've seen it.

1297
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: But I would be lying to you if I said

1298
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 4: it down the line he was gonna be Finals MVP.

1299
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: I did.

1300
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, but I've seen how special he

1301
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 4: could be and how much of a student of the

1302
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 4: game he was. So I'm happy for Jaalin because every year,

1303
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: if you see his career, every year he's gotten so

1304
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: much better.

1305
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: He's added something to his game.

1306
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: And one thing I'm gonna say about him that I

1307
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: knew was going to help him from day one, he

1308
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: felt like he was the best player on the team.

1309
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: Like That's how he carried himself, no disrespect at all too.

1310
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: So he felt to.

1311
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: Nobody, he carried hisself like he was and he would

1312
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: say that at times, like when I get my opportunity,

1313
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: y'all gonna see. So, like it's dope to see the

1314
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: success he's had in his career, the success of winning.

1315
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 4: That's definitely a young homie of mind that I talk

1316
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: to all the time, and I'm super proud of him,

1317
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: for real. But I couldn't tell you that he was

1318
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: gonna be Finals MVP in the future, all stars down

1319
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: the line. But I could tell you he had a

1320
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: chance and he's taken super advantage of it.

1321
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: So tell me that you talked about like even in

1322
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: the big game you was injured already. Tell me when

1323
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: you first hurt your hip, and then just walk me

1324
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: through how that whole everything played out, all the way

1325
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: to the trade of Kyrie and all that. Just tell me,

1326
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: like when you knew you would hurt, what you were

1327
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: supposed to do or the doctor said.

1328
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: Look, So in March of that year, were playing in

1329
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves. I glean the paint, take a layup. Carl

1330
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 4: Anthony Towns falls on me. I land really weird. He

1331
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 4: falls on me like jerks my leg a little bit.

1332
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 4: But it's crazy because after that game, like I didn't

1333
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: even film my hip at that point, I sprained my

1334
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: knee that play, so I think I sat out like

1335
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: two games.

1336
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: After that. I started to get some discomfort.

1337
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 4: In my hip, but it was like, you know how

1338
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: it is, Like it's towards the end of the season.

1339
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking nothing of it. We took X rays.

1340
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 4: The team tells me, and this is all documented, so

1341
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: I ain't like it's all good. The team tells me

1342
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: I have a bone bruise. So like, as a competitor,

1343
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: if they tell you you have a bone bruise, like

1344
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 4: you could probably play through that, like right, Like, so

1345
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I'm good. They don't tell me nothing further

1346
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: than that. They tell me I have a bone bruise.

1347
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 4: As time goes on, I'm playing a little more. It's

1348
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 4: getting closer to the end of the season. I'm starting

1349
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: to feel a little more, like just some discomfort. I

1350
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 4: think my hip's always been a little tighter, as athletes

1351
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: hips always are, so then I get a little bit

1352
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: more discomfort.

1353
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: They shoot me up. You know how that goes.

1354
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 4: They shoot me up at the start of the playoffs.

1355
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: I don't feel anything after start of the playoffs obviously,

1356
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: because they shoot me up. So when they do that,

1357
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm kind of good, like I'm able to start the playoffs.

1358
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not in no pain. I'm cool. That's

1359
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: why I'm still serving too. Then the second round we go.

1360
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: In the second round, I'm starting to feel a little

1361
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 4: more pain, and at this point it's still a bone bruise,

1362
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 4: so like there isn't nothing else diagnosed, and you feel me.

1363
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: It's just like it can't get any worse, and that's

1364
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: what it was stated, which fast forward. That's what I

1365
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 4: was very upset about, because nothing was like if you

1366
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 4: tell me this can possibly get worse, this is what

1367
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 4: you have, then it's on me to make the choice.

1368
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 4: It was none of that stated. So I went in like, Okay,

1369
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: I got a bone bruise. I can figure this out,

1370
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 4: like I've done my whole life. Like I got a

1371
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: little bruise. I can figure this out. They shoot me

1372
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: up again. So that's two times in the playoffs. I

1373
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 4: got shot out three times, every round three times. The

1374
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 4: last one was right before Game seven of the Wizard series.

1375
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: I played Game.

1376
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 4: Seven, I cook we win Game one of the Cleveland series.

1377
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: I played through it, but I can start to feel it.

1378
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: So if you watch Game one, I'm definitely not myself

1379
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: I can't even move that good.

1380
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: Game two, I get.

1381
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 4: Hit by a scream by somebody, maybe k Love. I

1382
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 4: feel everything now, like I get hit by a screen.

1383
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 4: I remember, I get hit by a screen and it

1384
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: just shoots to the back of my hip and I'm like,

1385
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 4: what the Like, I've never felt this pain before. So

1386
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 4: we going to halftime. Danny Ainge and all of them

1387
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 4: are back there. The doctors are back there. They like,

1388
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 4: you're done, Like it's a wrap, Like, we gotta go

1389
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: to the doctor. We gotta figure this out. At that point,

1390
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: obviously I know something's wrong on my hip, but I'm

1391
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: still not thinking the worst shit ever. So we go

1392
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 4: through that process, my season is over. We end up

1393
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 4: losing to the Cavaliers. Then at that point we go

1394
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 4: to the doctor in New York and we figure out,

1395
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 4: like it's worse than it is. We figured out at

1396
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: that point in time. Me playing through it and getting

1397
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: shot up made it worse, made it way worse.

1398
01:02:59,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: Getting shot up.

1399
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 4: To the people who are watching, to the young guys

1400
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 4: that are watching, don't do the quarter zone because the

1401
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: quarter zone takes away from your cartilage. That took away

1402
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 4: all of my cartilage that quick. In two months, the

1403
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 4: doctor said, that's the fastest I've ever seen carlilage go away.

1404
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 4: So that's what started everything. Bone on bone, I get

1405
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 4: traded to Cleveland. I'm upset because at that point I

1406
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 4: put my career on the line for something. You could

1407
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 4: have just broke down to me and told me, if

1408
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 4: you do play or if we do.

1409
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: Do this, it could possibly do It could possibly be

1410
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: what it happened to be.

1411
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 4: Like, it took me three years to get really get

1412
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 4: back to who I am and really, you know, figure

1413
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 4: out what was going on.

1414
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 3: But it was a tough situation.

1415
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 4: Like it was a tough sit it was a learning

1416
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: experience for myself, Like I got real love for Boston

1417
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 4: and everybody in that organization. It was definitely the wrong

1418
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: way to go about things. Not to blame I'm not

1419
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 4: blaming Boston. I'm not blaming those guys. People know what

1420
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 4: happened is documented, so I'm not saying nothing that.

1421
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: This putting anybody on blast.

1422
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: It was just a messed up situation and it happened

1423
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: to be with me, And it sucks because so much

1424
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: was on the line. Obviously, I was in play to

1425
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 4: if I got all NBA that following year. I'm a

1426
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 4: super Max guy, like I'm eligible for the super Max so.

1427
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: All of that is in play. When you look at it.

1428
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: Like that, that shit sucks. But at the end of

1429
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: the day, you live me and you learn, you make mistakes,

1430
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 4: you make decisions. I got no hard feelings like at

1431
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 4: that point that that that hurt because I put my

1432
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 4: career on the line and then you trade me too.

1433
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: I understand the business of the game. I'm not ever.

1434
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 4: I was never fighting that like, oh I got traded,

1435
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 4: I'm mad at that. It was how it happened. I'm

1436
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 4: a franchise guy at that point, so as you guys know,

1437
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 4: it should have been communicated this is what possibly can happen.

1438
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 4: I'm the franchise for the Boston Celtics at that point,

1439
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: so it was just messed up situations. But like you

1440
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 4: live and you learn, you move past it. I'm healthy again,

1441
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 4: I'm cool, like I got no pain.

1442
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: No more.

1443
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: But I went through obviously real life shit with my

1444
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 4: sister getting traded, getting hurt. I went through some fucked

1445
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 4: up shit for three years. Like, yeah, it was especially

1446
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: that year. I always say that was the best year

1447
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 4: of my career and the worst year.

1448
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: Of my life.

1449
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: At the same time, like let that sink in, Like

1450
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 4: my lost my sister almost had career ending injury, lost

1451
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 4: out on some big bread which at the end of

1452
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 4: the day, I never had it, so I can't say,

1453
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: like we can only speculate what could have happened. And

1454
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 4: then as you got seen, as the world seen, like

1455
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 4: my career started to do this, my opportunities started to

1456
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 4: go down.

1457
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 3: I'm fighting through injury.

1458
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: I'm fighting to showcase I still got it when I'm

1459
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 4: really hurt. Like so it was a tough situation, but

1460
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I came out with

1461
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 4: a smile on my face, like I'm healthy, I got

1462
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 4: no pain, no more.

1463
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: I fixed my situation.

1464
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: And then you know, like I've gotten the opportunity, small opportunities,

1465
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 4: but I've gotten chances to get back in the NBA.

1466
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: So I can't respect you. Know you're not bitter, bro.

1467
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 4: I'm not because I was at one point we all

1468
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 4: years going through I was atb mad at my wife. Yeah,

1469
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 4: really mad. That was like the first time in my life,

1470
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: Like I was mad at the game of basketball too.

1471
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: Because this is the first time in your life that

1472
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: you feel like since probably like five years old, like

1473
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: you've been a hawk, a clip, bro, whatever that team was.

1474
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: Just like I'm telling you, because we all went through it.

1475
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: Whenever when it's not on your terms, when you didn't

1476
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: make that choice, you said, you're sitting at home the

1477
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: mad Rapper.

1478
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: When I got first.

1479
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: Got let go by the magic, I said, after I'm

1480
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: thinking like yeah, cool, I'm about to I'm about to

1481
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: get a double dip, like I'm about to do this

1482
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: when I'm thinking like gonna call me in another day

1483
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: or so like on ring, then when he ring, he

1484
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: ain't saying what you want to hear you at all time,

1485
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: when bro, and like you say, you become the mad Rapper,

1486
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: you be the mad dude hot at everything. But that

1487
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: what I said, I got respect that you. You know,

1488
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: we all got to fight through that. But as long

1489
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: as we get through it and to see you, you

1490
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, well I see you on

1491
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: so Smith or whatever, I see like like you said,

1492
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: you come through with a smile on your face and

1493
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: we could see the genuine you know, it's genuine and

1494
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: whether if it wasn't or not, but like I appreciate

1495
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: that that you came through and you still you still

1496
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: you happy, you good and you got a positive outlook, and.

1497
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 4: You know what it was like there was a lot

1498
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: of soul searching at that point too, as you guys know,

1499
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 4: Like that was the toughest stretch of my life because

1500
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 4: I never been through an injury. Really, I never been

1501
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 4: through at that point, like the world was watching me

1502
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 4: every day, the world, like when I would go out

1503
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 4: to perform, I just came off average in thirty. So

1504
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 4: I get traded to a team with Lebron James and

1505
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 4: I'm not myself at five foot nine. It's damn near impossible.

1506
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 4: Like it was just a tough situation. But like you said,

1507
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 4: I came out on top. I came out with a

1508
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 4: smile on my face. I'm super blessed. I'm still able

1509
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 4: to play the game I love. I'm still trying to

1510
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 4: play a year or two more, and that's just what

1511
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 4: it is. I'm happy to be in the position I

1512
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: am today, Like I'm able to not only inspire people,

1513
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 4: especially the younger generation, but I'm able to tell my

1514
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: story because, like I tell these kids, most of you

1515
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: kids are going to be me where You're gonna have

1516
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,919
Speaker 4: to fight every day, You're gonna have to fight every season.

1517
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 4: If you did good, you're gonna have to do more.

1518
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 4: If you did great, you're gonna have to be better.

1519
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 4: So like, I'm cool with being that guy because I

1520
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 4: know a lot of these young kids look at look

1521
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: to me for that and look to me before inspiration,

1522
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 4: and that's what you know, That's what I gotta do,

1523
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 4: And I'm happy with that.

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we tell these stories. So the next

1525
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: generation and no or seen it before. I wanted to

1526
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: ask when you was with Cleveland, did you have to

1527
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: make a choice of whether I have surgery or just

1528
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: rehab and decided to do twenty seventeen.

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 4: The surgery I got in twenty twenty was the first

1530
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: option in seventeen, but I didn't want to be the

1531
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 4: first athlete to get it, so I was going to

1532
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: be the guinea pig of getting it. And I'm like,

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 4: I'm not about to do that. It's major surgery. The

1534
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 4: surgeon gave me this option. He said it would change everything,

1535
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 4: but nobody has done it, Like regular people have done it,

1536
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 4: but an athlete hasn't done it. So and then they

1537
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 4: said there's an option of rehabing, Like there's a chance

1538
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 4: you could come back and it can take a minute,

1539
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 4: but you can rehab it. So I decided, and the

1540
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 4: team decided that was the best decision to make to

1541
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 4: rehab to take time off. So I took that whole

1542
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 4: summer off of rehabing. I didn't play that season until January,

1543
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: so I took like six or seven months off, came back.

1544
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 4: I just wasn't myself. Every opportunity I got, whether when

1545
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 4: I got traded to Cleveland. Halfway through that, I got

1546
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 4: traded to the Lakers. I ended up getting a small

1547
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 4: clean out surgery. They were probably made my shit worse.

1548
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 4: When I got to the Lakers. Next year, I went

1549
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 4: to Denver Rehab. That didn't really get the chance, but

1550
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 4: I wasn't myself, So I understand me not getting the

1551
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 4: chance that out I deserve. The next year went to

1552
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 4: the Wizards. They gave me a chance. I started average

1553
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 4: thirteen and five. We wasn't that good, but I wasn't myself,

1554
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 4: Like you could see, I was dragging my leg and

1555
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 4: all that. So the blessing in disguise came in the pandemic,

1556
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 4: when you know, the world stopped. I ended up going

1557
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 4: back to that surgeon called them I had and the

1558
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 4: biggest reason why I didn't have that surgery was because

1559
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 4: I didn't have the time to sit out.

1560
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,959
Speaker 3: Like at being five nine going into.

1561
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 4: A contract year, I didn't have no time to sit out.

1562
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 4: Looking back on it, what I wish I did was

1563
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 4: sat that whole Cleveland year, went into free agency, did

1564
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 4: that surgery, signed a one year deal, showcased it. I

1565
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 4: was back, and then figured it out. I didn't do that. Obviously,

1566
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 4: you live and you learn. But fast forward to twenty twenty.

1567
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 4: I go back to that surgeon, get that hip surgery,

1568
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 4: resurfaces of my hip. I got seven to nine months

1569
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 4: because the NBA stopped seven to nine months to rehab,

1570
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 4: rehab every day, got back.

1571
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: I've never felt any better.

1572
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 4: Like it was a blessing in disguise, Like I thank

1573
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 4: doctor Sue, which was my surgeon in New York City,

1574
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 4: every day. I thank him probably every couple months of

1575
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 4: changing my life, not just my basketball life, my everyday life.

1576
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: I was in pain every day, Like sitting down, I

1577
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 4: was in pain. I couldn't put my shoe on by

1578
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 4: myself like it was. It was a tough situation for me.

1579
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 4: So now that I'm fully healthy, I went through that.

1580
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 4: You know, to fast forward and explain everything that I

1581
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 4: went through. It was like that was the biggest reason

1582
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 4: why I didn't get that surgery in twenty seventeen. I

1583
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 4: didn't want to be the first athlete to do it.

1584
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: As a sixtieth pig, right, you got a chance to

1585
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: get a bag a little earlier than the rest of

1586
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: the yuy. So you know, tell me what you did

1587
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: to make yourself feel good when you had you reward yourself.

1588
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 4: So look, when I got my first deal, first thing

1589
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 4: I did, I bought my mom her house because I

1590
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 4: was a sixtieth pick, so my money wasn't coming in

1591
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 4: right like obviously it was more money I ever made

1592
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 4: in my life, but it was kind of to just

1593
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 4: the first three years two three years was just a

1594
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 4: stack for myself. I had kids as well. I had

1595
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: a family. So when I got that deal, the first

1596
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 4: thing I did for anybody, I bought my mama house

1597
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 4: about my pops little car he always wanted.

1598
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: And then that year I bought myself a house.

1599
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 4: I bought my I had two kids, two boys, and

1600
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 4: a wife at that time or a fiance, so that

1601
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 4: was my big I took care of my parents and

1602
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 4: I bought me a house that was that was That

1603
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 4: was what I did.

1604
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: Out of all the teams you played with in the NBA,

1605
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: if you had to pick four other players to make

1606
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: your ultimate five, what would be your ultimate five?

1607
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in shot point me at the one. Damn

1608
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 4: that's oh no, it's not it's not that. Who would

1609
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 4: be the two? Me at the one? Kd after two,

1610
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 4: Lebron after three, were about to be crazy, Anthony Davis

1611
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 4: after four, Joker at the five I played in Denver.

1612
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Joko the marks cuz oh.

1613
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: I got to he backed the back. He two tight, MVP.

1614
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: I got you even though, Cuz, like I always give,

1615
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: the market is his flowers because he started what them

1616
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 4: bigs are doing now, like in terms of having candle,

1617
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 4: he can shoot, he can do a little bit of everything,

1618
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 4: like I hope them biggs give him a little bit

1619
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 4: of flowers for starting that little wave of bigs.

1620
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's my five.

1621
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, man, that's a wrap man from eight

1622
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 2: Lounge inside Resorts World loas Vegas.

1623
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: Man, we got slow grind in the.

1624
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: Use.

1625
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 3: I used to do this in high school. That's what's crazy. Yes, yes,

1626
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: full circle.

1627
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all It's like I said, you guys doing

1628
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 4: your thing, and I looked up to y'all. I used

1629
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 4: to watch, like I said, this, this was a real movement.

1630
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 4: So I appreciate y'all being a big part of the culture.

1631
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 4: And you know, in the in the game of basketball,

1632
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 4: and I'm always giving my flowers to the guys who

1633
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 4: did it before me.

1634
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 3: You appreciate it, bro.

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,639
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