1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Hope all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday. I 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: hope you had a good Columbus Day aka Indigenous People's Day. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: As the Joe Biden administration let us know the Indigenous 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: people obviously clamoring for a day for a long time. Now. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: We got a bunch of different stories. I hope buck 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Sexton held down the ship yesterday. Airline pilots at Southwest 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: continue to become the most public opponents of the idea 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: of mandatory vaccinations. We've got John Gruden, who is a 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: head coach at the Oakland Raiders out at the as 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: a head coach for much of the emails that have 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: been years old that were uncovered as part of an 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: investigation in the fl that did not involve John Gruden. 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm actually curious if we can come up with a 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: theme or idea that makes sense going forward when it 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: comes to cancel culture vaccine mandates under siege. Doctor Fouci 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: has come out and said I know that a little 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: over a week ago, I said, you may not be 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: able to spend Christmas with your families. But now I 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: want all of you to know it's okay to go 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: out and trick or treat. I know my family was 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: very excited, particularly my kids, to get doctor Fouci's blessing 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: that they can walk around and trick or treat. We 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: got the potential next governor of the state of Virginia, 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: governor potentially Young Ken who was going to be on 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: with us at one thirty Eastern. And we got MSNBC 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: and CNN insanity over whether people like Van Jones and 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Sage Steele, even though they may be black, may or 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: may not be black voices. All of this coming together 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: in a crescendo of idiocy. Buck, what I would say 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I am proud of as I sit here in La. 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for holding down the ship. Yesterday, as I 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: was traveling and running around, I managed to walk into 35 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: a local coffee shop in La yesterday, Buck and get 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: a coffee without wearing a mask. And I felt like 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: a monster rebel. I was the only person in the 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: whole place who was doing it, but I took it 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: as some small measure of vindication. I think Governor Gavin 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: Newsom probably has the California State troopers within all sartin 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: for me bulletin trying to find you. They got a 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: bolo be on the lookout for Travis after your super 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: Spreader event in the Starbucks. Of course, you know, I'll 44 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: tell you even here in New York over the weekend, 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: I went into the coffee shop on my corner. And 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I might have mentioned this before on the show when 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: I tell you they have a reading section, because it's 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: that kind of a coffee shop. Oh yeah, And the 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: books are and I'm it's White Fragility, It's Michelle Obama's memoir. 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of books about like an anti racist, 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: how to be an anti racist, books about you know, 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: white privilege and white you know, uh, white nationalism as 53 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: the greatest threat, all this stuff. And so it's a 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: very mask heavy crowd. You know, a lot of masks generally. 55 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I want to know. A Sunday, I don't know what 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: was going on line at twenty people to get their 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: oat milk. By the way, when did we decide that 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: the juice of oats is now milk? I am supposed 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: to be healthier. I don't mean the idea, I don't know. 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean people say it is. I will tell you, 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I think it probably tastes a little better than almond milk. 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: So I guess we're gonna lose out on that almond 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: milk sponsor we were gonna have. But usually there's this 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: is a place where there's lot of masks. Not a 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: mask in the whole, not sitting down, not in line, 66 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: nowhere except the staff. They're all masked up. And I 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: wonder when people are going to just this this thing 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: about the staff having to wear masks at different places 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and establishments. It feels it wrong to me because I'm sorry, 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't believe that these are people who are doing 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: it because they want to. I think they're being mandated to. 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: And I think the work from Home MSNBC watching Uber 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Eats crowd is all too happy to have their food 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: delivered to them by people who are covering covering up 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: their dirty germs. It's a cast system in play. I 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt right now as it pertains 77 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: to masks, all right, But this John Gruden's story. One 78 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: of my big theories and ideas has been that over 79 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: the last decade, and I'm curious if you agree with me, 80 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: we have moved primarily from punishing actions to punishing words instead. 81 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's directly correlated with the rise of 82 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: social media, which, at least in the Twitter sphere where 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: the blue check brigade hangs out, makes words a premium. 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: And that was certainly the case with the Donald Trump, 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: where every time he sent a tweet, people would run 86 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: around like they're they were on five reacting to his 87 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: tweet his words. And so I want to ask you 88 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: this question, there are no emails from John Gruden that 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: are inappropriate, that are allegedly homophobic, racist, sexist. If you 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: don't know this story. They were investigating the formerly named 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins football team for issues related to the management, 92 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: how they treated cheerleaders, how they treated different employees, and 93 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: so six hundred and fifty thousand emails were uncovered as 94 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: a part of this discovery process, and John Gruden was 95 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: found to have used gay slurs and emails and to 96 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: have allegedly used racist language to describe a black NFL 97 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: players association. He called the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, 98 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: a gay slur and an email. All of this came 99 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: out through discovery, not because John Gruden was being investigated, 100 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: and he resigned late last night as the head code 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: of the Oakland Raiders. John Gruden, formerly Monday Night Football analysts, 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: one of buck probably the five or six people that 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: is most famous in the NFL for being a coach 104 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: and a prognosticator, not just one or the other. So 105 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: this is a big time luminescent star in the NFL landscape. 106 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: And I was thinking, I've been, I've been making this argument, 107 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: but I'm curious what you think about it. John Gruden 108 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: gets a DUI or two DUIs is arrested for domestic assault, potentially, 109 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I think he might keep his job with no issues. Well, yeah, 110 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: that's the standard we've seen on words versus actions, right, Yeah, 111 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean there are people in the NFL who is 112 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot more about some of 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: the backgrounds of the players than I do. But people 114 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: have stabbed individuals, they have beaten wives and girlfriends, they 115 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: have engaged in felonious conduct, and they keep their jobs. 116 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: And it's seems to me that in this instance, first 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: of all, what was it I saw one hundred million 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: dollar contract over ten years for Gruden to be the 119 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: coach of the Raiders, which that's right, that's that's uh, 120 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: that's that's not that's not chicken feed. Yeah, that's a 121 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: lot of money to throw at somebody, and for him 122 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: to lose his job based on things that he said 123 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: that were or i should say, wrote that he believed 124 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: to be private. Now, some of those things were obviously 125 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: in various up up to, by the way, buck a 126 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: decade ago. Yeah, some of those emails as far back 127 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: as a decade ago. I mean, some of them were 128 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: obviously in very bad taste. Also, language has evolved, I mean, 129 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: depending on what we're talking about here, I believe there 130 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: were some words in there that were considered misogynistic. That um, 131 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: I think everybody would probably know that. Football players certainly 132 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: have used that word to describe each other and stuff. 133 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: You know. Yes, so there's different I think gradations of 134 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: seriousness of what the different terms used here are. But 135 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: what really is So the victory is supposed to be 136 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: what what? What is the example we're supposed to take 137 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: if you ever write or text anything to anyone that 138 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: is un PC or over the line, by the way, 139 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: and some of the stuff is clearly over the line, 140 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: But if you ever do that and it ten years 141 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: later comes out, you lose your job, you get fired. 142 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: Is that that's the question. I think that's such an 143 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: interesting question, right. And the NFL has got a inconsistent 144 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: standard here, buck because they just brought in a series 145 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: of rappers to perform at this year Super Bowl show, 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: and every single rapper that will be performing among them, 147 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: I think Eminem, Doctor Dre Snoop. I like a lot 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: of these guys, right. I may be a rarity in 149 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: our audience in that I don't know if you liked 150 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: I particularly like nineteen nineties era rap early two thousands. 151 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Did you were you like in every febrs? I tell 152 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: people this in New York City, you know, And I 153 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: went to Catholic school here in the city. Every dance 154 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: you went to, every school dance from nineteen ninety six 155 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:02,479 Speaker 1: to two thousand, it was Biggie Nas j Pack constantly. 156 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I mean, jay Z, this is, this is this was 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: the soundtrack of life in cities for those you know, 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: in those mid delayed nineties, That's what everybody was listening to. 159 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: So I liked all that music, Like I understand people 160 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: out there like I hate rap music, Like I understand 161 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: everybody doesn't like the same music. I'm like you Buck, 162 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: I grew up with it all. So I think this 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: all ties in so interestingly to the modern cancel culture 164 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: and how it is applied. Because every one of those rappers, 165 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: certainly a decade ago, and many of them more recently 166 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: than a decade ago, have flagrantly homophobic lyrics, have flagrantly 167 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: misogynistic lyrics inside of their rap songs. Yet the NFL 168 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: is going to put them on their signature event in 169 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: front of over one hundred million people and say, hey, 170 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: you are as good of an entertainer as there is. 171 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: We're giving you the NFL stamp of approval, which is 172 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: what the Super Bowl is, right when you get the 173 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to perform. So how does the NFL, And this 174 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: is the question that I think media buck, if they 175 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: were doing their job, if they were actually speaking truth 176 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: to power, the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, would 177 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: be asked, why is it not allowable for John Gruden 178 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: to coach in your league because he used inappropriate language 179 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: up to a decade ago, But it's okay for you 180 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: to bring in many rappers who are going to perform 181 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: with the impromatur of the NFL in front of a 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: hundred million people. And by the way, unlike Gruden, who 183 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree with what he said, he 184 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: was saying it privately in an email, these rap lyrics 185 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: are broadcast worldwide for everybody to hear in a public spectacle. 186 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: And so I think that's a really interesting question that 187 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: goes to these I mean, it's a question that we 188 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: know the answer to the answer is that Gruden his 189 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: toast and that other people will get away with what 190 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: they said. Yeah, the standard Cancel culture aren't evenly applied 191 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: in any stretch of the imagination. Right. We need to 192 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: understand though, or rather what we need to have a 193 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: fuller understanding of, I think is that this is part 194 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: of Cancel culture. This is actually not This is not 195 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: something that they run away from. They believe in different 196 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: standards for different people because they believe in the hierarchies 197 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: of power, and so because there are people who inherently 198 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: fall somewhere in the hierarchy based upon immutable characteristics or 199 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: however it is that they set up what is essentially 200 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: a either gender or racial Marxism or it comes from 201 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: a Marxist urge, that's how they view it. So they 202 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: actually view double standards as what they're trying to accomplish. 203 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: We say, hold on, this is unfair. They say, well, 204 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: of course, of course it's unfair, and we have the power, 205 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: we being the leftists in this case, to institute it 206 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: as we see fit. So while you know, Gruden, I mean, 207 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: I will say, you gotta know you're you're a guy 208 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: at that that kind of high profile, and I know 209 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: that you'd say some of this was ten years ago. 210 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: You put this stuff in an email. You know, you 211 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: put it, you write it down, and you know, get it, 212 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: look and buck. The other thing I would say is 213 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: right now to your point on players who are eligible 214 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson, who is a quarterback for the Houston Texans, 215 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: has been accused of sexual assault by twenty four different women. 216 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Twenty four, not one, not two, twenty four. He's eligible 217 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: to play right now in the NFL. He's accepting and 218 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: getting his full salary. And John Gruden now is not 219 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: eligible to coach. One guy has been accused of sexually 220 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: assaulting twenty four different women. The other guy was a 221 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: former coach of the Oakland Raiders once in an email. 222 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: The other one has some pretty significant accusations out there. 223 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: When wokeness is involved, there's no presumption of innocence, as 224 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's how they do it. That's always the 225 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: way the left. And so the question I have for 226 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: you two going forward, and this is probably a good question. 227 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: We can have some people weigh in on one eight 228 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: hundred two A two two eight eight two. Should there 229 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: be a statute of limitations in general on how far 230 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: back you can go to decide to try to cancel someone, right, 231 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: Like I when I see that it's an eleven year 232 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: old or ten year old email, I'm like, what is 233 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: the standard for cancelation? If we were just trying to 234 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: be fair, right, and you were gonna say, okay, society evolves, 235 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: people evolve, everything else, would most people think it was 236 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: crazy that a ten year old email would cause you 237 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: your job. You're asking a movement in an ideology to 238 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: be reasonable that is rooted in the rejection of reasoning. 239 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm just saying for for our like every norful people 240 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: like their statute of limitations on like lawsuits, right, if 241 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: you uh, you know, if you are accusing someone of 242 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't know of a civil violation, it might be 243 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: two years, it might be three years, whatever it is. 244 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: Because things change, and because memories fade and everything else, 245 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: and we don't think people should be held hostage forever. 246 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I'm curious what the answer is here. 247 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: We can save you fifty dollars or more off your 248 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: cell phone bill. That is a big difference right now 249 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: with inflation skyrocketing in the average American family having to 250 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: pay almost two hundred dollars more for basic necessities. It's 251 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: a super easy move. I've already done it. Whether you 252 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: have Verizon AT and T or T Mobile, you can 253 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: switch to pure Talk, exact same five G network, exact 254 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: same towers, and you'll pay a lot less. In fact, 255 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: pure Talk saves the average family over eight hundred dollars 256 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: a year. Buck. That is a big difference in this 257 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: era where everybody is trying to stretch their budget because 258 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: of the rise of inflation, and switching is super easy. 259 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Get to keep your same number and your same phone. 260 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: My thirteen year old has a pure Talk phone. These 261 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: guys have come to my house. I trust them to 262 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: take care of my family. You can trust them to 263 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: take care of yours. Buck, you have a pure Talk phone. 264 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: How can people get their own service through pure Talk? 265 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: Pure Talk has a thirty day risk free guarantee, so 266 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: you literally have nothing to lose. From your cell phone, 267 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: dial pound two fifty and say pure talk. You'll say 268 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: fifty percent off your first month. That's pound two five zero. 269 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: Say pure talk again. You can say fifty percent off 270 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: your first month and you have a thirty day risk 271 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: free guarantee. So right now, from your cell phone dial 272 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: pound two fifty and say pure talk. I've heard from 273 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: fellow pilots all over from all airlines, and it's a 274 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of us are facing the same situation. But this 275 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: goes far beyond the pilots because it's not just airline pod. Sure, 276 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: there's airline pod speaking out and you're seeing it kind 277 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: of in the forefront of news, but it's the flight attendance, 278 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: it's the ground personnel, it's everyone who works for these 279 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: major airline corporations. My health and my medical choice is 280 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: more important to me than my career at this point, 281 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: and I believe staying it up for this and all 282 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the Americans who feel the same way I do, is 283 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: this my career is a small sacrifice. Welcome back to 284 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. There you had an airline 285 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: pilot talking about why he is making the decision to 286 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: not show up and essentially have a sick out strike. 287 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Now that it's not officially a strike because there are 288 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: union rules. There are laws actually that prevent pilots from 289 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: doing it, so we know it's not officially a strike, 290 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: but is it a de facto collective action? Clay, we 291 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: got to drill drill down into this. And I'm are 292 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: there any pilots out there who can you know? You 293 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: can call in, you can say your name is Bob, 294 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you know whatever. You don't have to give us your name, 295 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: but there are pilots out there, and you know, obviously 296 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: we only want people who really are pilots or anybody 297 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: who's part of the airline who's been staying out of 298 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: this stuff, please call us eight hundred two a two 299 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: two eight two. I mean staying out of work so 300 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: that they shut down Southwest flights for a day or two, 301 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: because Clay, right now, the CEO is saying, no, it 302 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: was just you know, some mess ups. You buying it. No, 303 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: And first of all, let me say this. We want 304 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to hear from pilots one eight hundred two eight two 305 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: two eight eight two. You can be anonymous. We're not 306 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: asking you to say, hey, I'm a you know, give 307 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: us your name and your badge number or something for Southwest. 308 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: But let me say this, I am I fly Southwest 309 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: everywhere buck because I live in Nashville, and Southwest is 310 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: the primary airline that has service Nashville for basically the 311 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: last twenty years, and so I am on their airplanes 312 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: all the time. And I understand the frustration that comes 313 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: when your flights are getting canceled. But I have to 314 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: tell you I support these pilots as much as you 315 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: can support anyone for standing up to this COVID vaccine mandate. 316 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: It is a phenomenal decision. We want to here from 317 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: you guys going forward here for what they are being 318 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: able to accomplish. In the meantime, I also want to 319 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: tell you we want to make sure that you save 320 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: a bundle on your mortgage. 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I 330 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: have two eight hundred seven seven seven eighty one oh nine. 331 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 332 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. As we rolled through 333 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: the Tuesday edition of the program. We are balancing out 334 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: the width of the country here, Bucket, New York City. 335 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: I am out in Los Angeles, and there are a 336 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: lot of airline pilots in between all of these different 337 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: points in our country that are standing up against the 338 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: concept of COVID vaccine mandates. And we opened up the 339 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: phone lines, Buck and said, we just want airline pilots 340 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: to call in particularly Southwest and explain to us exactly 341 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: what is going on here. The phone number as always 342 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. 343 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: And Buck, you've got the screener up in front of you. 344 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: I think we have a lot of pilots who have 345 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: called it one of weigh in on this seat. We have. 346 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: We have some pilots we have some folks who also 347 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: want to weigh in on some of some of our 348 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: thoughts here on the Gruden case. Oh yeah, what's going 349 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: on there. Let's first get to our pilots, though, because 350 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: we asked for them. Steve down in Florida, an American 351 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Airlines pilot, what's up, Steve, Hey, good afternoon, playing buck. 352 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing. Hey? Well, I just got 353 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: back off a four day trip with American Airlines, and 354 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: a lot of us are discussing what's going on into cockpit. 355 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: You've got quite a bit of time up there. Having 356 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: said that, I have recently said, sent about ten emails 357 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: to our CEO, Doug Parker, to the Robert Isom, to 358 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: kimble Stone, to Chip Long, to our leadership in Miami, 359 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: and I've gotten crickets pretty much. I had one little 360 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: three liner saying, you know, thank you for your great 361 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: work and for taking care of our customers. But I 362 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: think would have boils down to the majority of pilots 363 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: in American Airlines the fact that a lot of us 364 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: have had that virus. I had it back in April. 365 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: I gave to my wife and my daughter, and since then, 366 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: well since the beginning of it, all, I've done a 367 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: lot of reading. I'm military. I had antrax shoved into 368 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: my veins and now I definitely have these antibodies, and 369 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's ridiculous and tyrannical overreach of the government. 370 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: So Steve, I got somebody I got to ask you, 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: do you do you believe? I mean, and if you 372 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: want to give us a probability, that's fine. The explanation 373 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: you're the American Airlines, the explanation you've heard given by 374 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: and I mean we mentioned here on the air. The 375 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: Southwest Airline CEO has come out and said, oh, it 376 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: wasn't anyone staying out for any reason about the vaccine mandate, 377 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: it was because of air traffic control issues in Florida 378 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: or something. Do you buy that at all? Is that 379 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: even vaguely possible in your mind? Or where are you 380 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: in your confidence level about what happened over the weekend 381 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: of Southwest I'm gonna give a couple of my Southwest 382 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: pilot of friends a phone call. But having heard the 383 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: news report saying that was a Jacksonville air traffic control 384 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: that shut down an entire sector of the Southwest flying 385 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: and that sounds highly improbable. I know, that with this 386 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: lawsuit that Southwest is going forward, it's highly probable that 387 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: they're doing a little bit more maneuvering with their schedule. 388 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: And really, according to the Federal aviation regulations, we're not 389 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: allowed to go to work if we're not one hundred 390 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: percent fit for duty. So I'm finding myself less fit 391 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: for duty psychologically because of all this garbage that is 392 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: being thrown out of What would you do, By the way, 393 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: we appreciate you calling if you are mandated to have 394 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: to get the vaccine and other pilots who I'm sure 395 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: you're friends with that you have talked to, do you 396 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: think it could become an issue for other airlines these 397 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine mandates for pilots such as yourself. What choice 398 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: will you make? Right now? I just got off the 399 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: phone about an hour ago with my union saying that 400 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: in light of the recent prosy Veritas uncovering that they've 401 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: been used in utilizing fetal parts in the testing and 402 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: the administration of this vaccine, I'm going to apply for 403 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a religious exemption. I'm also weighing what I would do 404 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: with my family and my young daughters four years old 405 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: in my church because I think it's atrocius and I'm 406 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: hoping that Rick Scott continues with this legislation or there's 407 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: a lawsuit also going forward on Wednesday, filed by some 408 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: United pilots against this mandate, and uh, I think there's 409 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot going to happen. The fact that American airlines 410 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: chose November twenty fourth, the day before Thanksgiving, to have 411 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: everybody fully vaccinated, is a slap in our face. And 412 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: I mentally, by the way, thank thank you for the fall. 413 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: That could be a disaster for air traffic. Buck. I 414 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't know the deadline there, but you know how crazy 415 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: it is around the holidays anyway. Can you imagine if 416 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: a huge number of airline pilots call out right in 417 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: advance of Thanksgiving for health related reasons. Well, this is 418 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: why I think you also might see the federal government, 419 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: which still hasn't rolled out what the ocean that's right, 420 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: we still don't really know. And everybody over one hundred 421 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: employees has to get the shot. But I also believe, 422 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: especially if we see a surgeon cases, if that actually 423 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: happens in the wintertime, and that's expected by a lot 424 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: of folks we've been talking about it, I think it's 425 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: very likely that they will do the vaccine passport for 426 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: interstate travel on planes, and they're going to do it 427 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: right before the holidays. You can already hear you know, 428 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: whether it's doctor when or some of the others that 429 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: are appearing on TV a lot saying sorry, you have 430 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: no right to travel and this is about health and safety. 431 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: So just think about we have these issues, clay travel issues. 432 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: We also have the supply chain issues coming to a 433 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: head for this holiday season. This could be a really frustrating, 434 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: economically painful, rage inducing because of all the bureaucracy and 435 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: all the regulation and nonsense holiday at a time when 436 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: the Biden administration cannot afford the public to see just 437 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: how incompetent and stupid they are, beyond what they're already seeing. 438 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: John in Key Largo, Florida. Another major airline pilot. John, 439 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: what's up? John? I guess he's not there. Sean in Missouri, 440 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: another pilot for another company. What's going on? Sean? Oh? 441 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: What happened? Sean? You're talking to a lot of people 442 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: on the radio, Sir, what's on your mind? Okay? Can 443 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: you hear me? We got you? Hello? Okay, what's up? 444 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: We went back to John. Okay, yeah, I'm John John's here. 445 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you, okay, Hey, 446 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: the only just want to let you know. Yeah, I 447 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: actually worked for Delta Alliance on a captain with them, 448 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: and um uh Delta we the company decided that they're 449 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: gonna give us, uh, you're gonna pay two hundred dollars 450 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: each paycheck if you didn't get the vaccine because it 451 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: costs fifty thousand dollars per person once they get the 452 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: h once you get COVID. But and but so that 453 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: was one way, and we have had a lot of 454 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: pilots come over and get the vaccine because they don't 455 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: want to pay four hundred dollars a month towards you're 456 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: talking about insurance premium increase if you're not getting vaccinated. Yeah, 457 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's actually it's it's like a charge for it. Yes. Yeah. 458 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: So well that worked pretty well over a Delta and 459 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I have my vaccine. I was out for fifteen months 460 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: because I am of asthma, and so as soon as 461 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: the vaccine was available, I went and got it and 462 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: then I went back to work. Do you buy? Do 463 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: you buy? The excuse started to cut you off, but 464 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: you're a pilot. When you see Southwest having the issues 465 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: that they're having and there are no major weather related 466 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: conditions of a substantial nature, do you think this is 467 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: directly related to COVID vaccination issues with Southwest pilots. Well, 468 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: the president of their union said that it was not 469 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: that the sick leave is still the same, it hasn't 470 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: gone up. I think it's a mismanagement on the company. 471 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: They just didn't a free route correctly and all that, 472 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: and it wass the Jacksonville that shutdown because I flew yesterday. Okay, 473 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: so it's apparently you know, so we have one pilot 474 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: saying and it's major mismanagement. Look, I mean, Clay, you know, 475 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: there's there's some things that when someone will talk about 476 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: different functions that the governmental they'll say that something happened 477 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: over at the National Security Council or whatever. I can 478 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of say whether it's BS or not. I don't 479 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: know about air traffic control stuff, but I do find 480 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing very very suspicious that all of a 481 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: sudden this comes up and you have just Southwest with 482 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: two thousand flights getting canceled over the weekend. I want 483 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: to hear from Southwest pilots. I know, we got a 484 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: bunch of pilots that wanted to weigh in, but there 485 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: have to be anonymous Southwest pilots out there listening to 486 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: us right now that can give us the real guts, 487 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: the real the real juice here on what's going We 488 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: got to you got tons of them, because I mean, look, 489 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: if for some reason it isn't what we thought, which 490 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: was that this scene to be a sick out situation, 491 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: a collective action pilots who are saying enough is enough, 492 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: and people say, how could they do that? Oh, it's 493 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: pretty easy. A bunch of people decide they're going to 494 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: text or email each other, it spreads from there and 495 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: they decide they're going to stay home. It wouldn't be 496 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: that hard to do. But if that's not what happened, 497 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: we need to know that too, because people are looking 498 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: at this saying, all right, this is the turning of 499 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the tide. The mandate's gone too far. If Southwest has 500 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: ninety nine point five percent of their pilots vaccinated in 501 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: the next few weeks, we're gonna know that that's not 502 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: what is going on. So I do want to track 503 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: this down. I mean, I'm still with you. It just 504 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: doesn't add upt to me. I don't buy what the 505 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: CEO is saying, but let's drill down into this and 506 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: find out for sure. Sandra and Minnesota wrote to us 507 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: admitting she doubted us at first, but no more. She'd 508 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: been hearing about Relief Factor for a couple of years 509 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: in the radio, including our own words about Relief Factor, 510 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: so she finally decided to try it because nothing was 511 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: helping her back pain. Her words, not mine quote. I 512 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: had experienced great relief from the constant lower pain in 513 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: my back. I honestly doubted it would help, but with 514 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: a three week quickstart I decided to go for it. 515 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. I feel like a new person now. 516 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: She's referred to the three week quickstart program, which is 517 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: what people at Relief Factors suggest is best for you 518 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: to start with. And Clay, what do people need to 519 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: know about Relief Factor and how they can get their 520 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: three week quickstart a quick start? Well, they need to 521 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: know it's one hundred percent drug free product which addresses 522 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: joint pain, knee, hip, backneck, and shoulder pain. 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There are child actors involved. There's oh 539 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: my gosh, look at the crators. Look at the crators. 540 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, who is that excited about craters on the moon? 541 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: These kids have video games. These kids have seen much 542 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: cooler stuff than the craters on the moon. If you 543 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, you will you have 544 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: to stick around. It's amazing how the media. I mean, 545 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: the top minds of you know, lib propaganda and Democrat 546 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: media are working to try to convince more people in 547 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: America to like Kamala Harris. I mean, that's really what 548 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: this is about. They're trying to make her a candidate 549 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: that would actually be able to take over for Biden 550 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: either in his next term in their mind. Don't start 551 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: yelling at me about how Trump's going to win the 552 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: next I'm just saying this is their strategy, and it 553 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: did not work on this one. Also, we've got Texas 554 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: Governor Greg Abbott stepping up and doing something that I 555 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: believe I said should be done back in August, which 556 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: is states taking action to defend against private vaccine mandates 557 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: by companies because I knew they would use companies as 558 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: a cat's paw against individuals. At least one governor listens. Yeay, 559 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: So that's good news. Jared in Alabama is a Southwest pilot, 560 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: exactly what we have been looking for to weigh in here. Jared, 561 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, Hey, thank you for having me. 562 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: This is this is my eib hat trick. I never 563 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: I never thought I'd have to do it. Sminded talking 564 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: about this subject, but they're glad to be here. Hey, 565 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out a couple of things here 566 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: because first off, let me get to write to the 567 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: overall sentiment. You know, is this some sort of you 568 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: know they basically, yes, what you're seeing is true. This 569 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: is you are seeing pushback. Don't doubt it for a second. 570 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: So there are Southwest pilots that are trying to push 571 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: back against the mandate. You know this to be true, absolutely, 572 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: But I also want to be perfectly accurate. There was 573 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: no conspiratorial job action that has been discussed, initiated, voted on, 574 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: nothing like that whatsoever. What you're seeing is kind of 575 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: a perfect influence of conditions coming together for a perfect storm. 576 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: Yet the airline did suffer mality this last week with 577 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: air traffic control, and we're not a traditional hub and 578 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: spoke carrier, so for us, things reverberate in a different way, 579 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: and unfortunately it just happened to be a perfect sequence 580 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: of event. But with that combined, there are a consi 581 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: considerable amount of pilots that are not taking this vaccine. 582 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: Many of them are willing to give their jobs a 583 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: way if they have to, especially the more senior captains 584 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I've flown with many lately that are willing to go. 585 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: And what's happening here is our sick time and all 586 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: the benefits. A lot of stuff gets left on the 587 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: table when you're tired if you don't use it. So 588 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: sort of out of a just in case mindset, they're 589 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: starting to pick up trips call in and start kind 590 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: of clawing into their time. Why they can and convert 591 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: it to dollars? Why while they still can just in case? 592 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: This you know this is not over and I think 593 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: when is the death storry to cut you off? This 594 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: is fascinating, Jared, thanks for calling in. When is the 595 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: deadline by which Southwest pilots would be required to be vaccinated? 596 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: Is there one set yet? Yes, and that in last 597 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: week that came out, and they are giving us the 598 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to file for religious or a medical exemption. They've 599 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: sent out a form now which is very tedious. But 600 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: yet there is a deadline to upload your COVID vaccination 601 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: card if you fail to do so, and there's actually 602 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: it's a there's a couple of dates in there. If 603 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: you fail to do so, it's going to ultimately initiate 604 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: a process. Um and you know my understanding that process. 605 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: It's not hard and bath it's gonna you know, it's 606 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: a couple of the sit downs and reviews, and they're 607 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: gonna keep give you all kinds of opportunities to at 608 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the last second, so to speak, take this thing and 609 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: end its. Based on your interaction with other pilots, what 610 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: percentage and I know it's just anecdotal, but what percentage 611 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: of pilots do you think are opposed to the vaccine 612 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: mandate at Southwest Airlines? I think you're easily easily over 613 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: in terms of Yeah, I think you're well over fifty sixty. 614 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: And keep in mind most of the ones I've I've 615 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: spoken to a lot of people that are vaccinated, and 616 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: they don't care about vaccinated, not vaccinated, take it, don't 617 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: take it. They care about the mandate. Right, Yeah, it's 618 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: about the freedom issue. We understand. We get you on that. Jared, 619 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling in as a Southwest pilot. 620 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: One more Southwest pilot before we got to come back 621 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: and talk about the Texas anti mandate mandate, which I love. 622 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Don't mess with Texas. Terry in Florida, another Southwest pilot, 623 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: what's up, hey, quin Book, Thanks for from me on 624 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: and thanks for your service or our country by talking 625 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: about some of the stuff. Heyl had to echo what 626 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Jared had to say about that to add a little 627 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: bit of context to that. So, as you know, huge 628 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: impacts to the airline industry Southwest, which searching for new revenue, 629 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: opened up a bunch of new stations that kind of 630 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: stretched our network really stint and because of that and 631 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: with people taking voluntarily even retiring early and fight at tennis, 632 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: multitude of factors, rampers, opstagens, all of those factors come 633 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: Pillett and made the perfect storm a bunch of death 634 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: by thousand cuts basically. So it's multiple factors. Is that 635 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that this is the club, So it's some people 636 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: are staying out, but there are stresses on the system. 637 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: So it's almost like there's some truth to both sides 638 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: of this. Is that where we are yes and I'm Sam, 639 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: I'm actually seeking a religious exemption through Southwest to try 640 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: to keep a job there, but I'm not gonna get 641 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: the vaccine. Just listen to a new England Generald Medicine 642 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: podcast last night came out for Wednesday, were equally update anyway, 643 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: they have more questions than answers about this thing. So 644 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Ferry. Look, Christ, yeah right, we're gonna 645 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: come back. I mean, this is what we this is 646 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: the great thing. That's because of the reach of the show. 647 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: We can get you know, we could ask for, you know, 648 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 1: an expert in fifth century you know, Ptolomaic Egyptology or something, 649 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: and we get somebody on in about thirty seconds. Um, 650 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: we'll come back in just a moment here talking about 651 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: the Texas anti mandate mandate play and are gonna be 652 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: rocking with you. Stick around. You're listening to Clay Travis 653 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the EIB Network.