1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Ron and an Ian jeeus technology reaching the point where 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: it's outpacing the technician the Car Doctor, where the local 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: dealers is advertising conventional oil change and talk about how 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: we should all go out to the dealer and have 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: the oil changes done there and turn down all the 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: additional work that they you know, somehow find warm with 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: the car. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: Aian the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: five five six and now he running, Hey, come on 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: in so now Ronny and the Car Doctor at your 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: service at eight five five five zero nine nine zero zero. 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Again that Car Doctor hotline eight five five zero nine 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: nine zero zero here to answer your question, solve your problems, 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: and give you a better relationship with both your automobile 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: and your repair shop so that you're both on the 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: same wavelength and can can help keep that car going 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: as smooth as possible down the road. 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Steve Cook is a former automotive instructor. 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: He might be a current automotive instructor, but I'll tell 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: you what, Steve seems to have a lot of the 31 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: answers on what's going down on the street from outside 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: of my arena. In terms of what Steve sees. I 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: always enjoyed talking to him, and I'm sure you enjoy 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: listening to him. Was he and gives us some insight 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: on what he's seen at some of the current instructor 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: classes that he's going to, and some of the things 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: he's gonna be talking about is changes to scan tool 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: technology and locksmithing locksmith capability, how it's going to affectum coding, 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: keys and security on cars and theft systems on cars 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: going forward. So we look forward to Steve down around 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour. But I am here to 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: take your calls at Aero nine nine zero zero this 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: hour and also next hour if you're on an affiliate 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: that's lucky enough to get both hours of the show, 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: or you're lucky enough to get both hours of the show, 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: visa your affiliate. I think the way I want to 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: start this week, and I want to say thank you 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: first of all for taking the time to join me 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: this week, because I know you've got a lot of 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: choices and a lot of things to do, and I'm 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: always impressed, amazed, wowed um to have you be there, 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: and the questions you ask and the things that you 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: teach me, and some of your mannerisms and some of 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: your dues that just really kind of, you know, make 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: this worth while. It really does. Tales from the Tales 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: from the from the floor of the shop. New does 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: not mean good. Two thousand four Chevy and Pallet came 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: into the shop this week at Area at a motive 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: first americanditioning work. The condenser was leaking and it needed 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: an oil change. Well, actually we didn't know the condenser 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: was leaking when it first came in. The A C 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,279 Speaker 1: didn't hold the charge and in the course of diagnosis 63 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you could see it clear as the nose on your face, 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: the blue sky Congress is gonna fill a buster something 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: and not vote on something else. As much as you 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: know that's gonna happen. This A C condenser was leaking, 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and you knew that's where the refrigerman was going. That's 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: why the system wouldn't turn on. In the process of 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: doing the condenser, it became obvious that you might as 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: well do the radiator because the two or sandwich together. 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: You've got to take one out to get to the 72 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: other on this particular car, and it just didn't make 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: any sense in any other which way, because at a 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand miles twelve years old, to do 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: a condenser and not a radiator meant that three months 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: from now the mediator was gonna go bed, and you 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: end up having to do it anyway and take most 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: of what you just took a part back apart. Again. 79 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: So I did a condenser, I did a radiator, put 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: some fresh coolant in it, put an accumulator on a dryer, 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: desiccan bag, whatever you want to call it. And you're 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: part of the country and you're in your wheelhouse, and 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: maybe it was a fatal error on my part. But 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I sat and I looked at it. I was staring 85 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: at it right in the face. The pressure cycling switch, 86 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: the switch that commands the air conditionering on and off 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: based on system pressure to help maintain cool across the 88 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: evaporator core was staring me right in the face. You 89 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: know what, It's cheap enough, it's I'm looking right at it. 90 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: It's a little buried to get to. Not the easiest, 91 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: not the worst. Lety put a pressure cycling switching it, 92 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: del Go parts, del Go Cycling switched delC Dryer. Put 93 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: it in car bleue thirty eight degrees. Car was cold. Man, 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this car. You can hang meat in 95 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: this thing down the road. Two days later, it shows 96 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: back up on my doorstep. Dan goes to get out 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: of the car, and I'm saying, oh, he wants to 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: tell me, how did the air condition? He's working, Well, 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: quite the opposite. It was. It was wrong. There was 100 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: something odd about it. It was quick cycling the compressor. 101 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: It was warm in the car and it was warm 102 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: outside too. And I knew Dan, and Dan's always been 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: a gentleman about it. But I just it just wasn't right, 104 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: Not after spending all that money and doing all that work. 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: The man was entitled to air conditioning. My first thought was, 106 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: you know what, give me some time on Monday, two 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: days away, let me diagnose it. He went home, he agreed, 108 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: he was fine. He went home. I thought about it 109 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: working on the car I was working on, and I said, 110 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: you know what, thinking about this, logically, the only thing 111 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: we changed was that cycling switch in terms of what 112 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: would keep that compressor from coming on or making its 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: short cycle. But it's new. See sometimes I fall into 114 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: the trap too. Isn't that funny? And I'm saying to myself, 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: but it's new, it's got to be good. What does 116 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: new mean? Ron never ever worked? Had Dan come in 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the next day, I got another switch out of Delco, 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: screwed it in, fired right up degrees. So and I'll 119 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: follow up with you next week when I know more, 120 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: because it's gonna he's gonna stop by Monday or Tuesday 121 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: to tell me how it's working. But the point becomes 122 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: that new does not mean good. And in a day 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: and age when there seems to be a lack of 124 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: pride and workmanship and so many things. And I point 125 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: this out simply because I think about you each and 126 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: every one of you. You just had X work done 127 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: at a repair shop. Something went wrong, and right away 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: it becomes another story. Right away, it becomes another part. 129 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: This common sense exists, and I know the answer to that, 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: and I'll get all the emails that say no common 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: senses and so commony more. I get that, But doesn't 132 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: it also require the relationship to be there then? And 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: I have a good working relationship. He's been a customer 134 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: the better part of seven or eight years, and he's 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: a reasonable rational person. I've never seen the man get 136 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: upset once, and not because of that, but because he 137 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: thinks logically. He thinks clearly. He was a he was 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: he was a scientist of sorts in his working life, 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: and you can see that he approaches things with a 140 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: very clear and surgical manner. I had another customer this 141 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: week that I haven't seen in three years. The last 142 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: time I saw a Sean, his two thousand seven Toyota 143 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: camera had a check engine light on and it turns 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: out that it needed a PCM replacement and it was 145 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: done under warranty Manufacturer eight and I sent him on 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: his way. But I haven't seen him in three years, 147 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: and he showed up on my doorstep today. Had just 148 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: had his oil change and tires rotated a quick loop, 149 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: and he said, ever since the TPMs light came on 150 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: and he went back and he talked to him, and 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: they said there's really nothing they could do for him. 152 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: There wasn't any connection. He was on his own. And 153 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: I said to Sean after the repair, it was a 154 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: bad TPMs sensor. And I can't say that the quick 155 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: loop damage the TPMs sensor. I can't tell you that 156 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: they did not relearn the position of the t PMS sensors. 157 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: The car was all confused. It but the left rear 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: was the right front and the right front was the 159 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: left UH front and it just nobody had been learning 160 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: tire pressure sensor position what you have to do in 161 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: certain cars when you do a rotate. But I said 162 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: the show and after the fact, I said, there's value 163 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: in a relationship. Why weren't you here and let me 164 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: assure you like I assured Sean, I'm not going to 165 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: retire based on doing oil changes. There's not enough money 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: in it. Oil changes to me help keep me saying 167 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: they make my job easier because I know the patient, 168 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: I know the car, My guys know the car. We 169 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: know what we did the last time, we know what's 170 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: coming do, and we know what's down the road. But 171 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: dropping in something as complicated as the space shuttle on 172 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: a repair shop, any repair shop that they see once 173 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: every three years, and expecting definitive answers in a hurry 174 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: just doesn't work. And it's not going to work going 175 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: down the road even more. It's gonna become an even 176 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: bigger issue. Of course, Shoran's comment to me was, it's 177 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: only an oil change. There isn't any such thing as 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: only an oil change anymore. It's all about the relationship, 179 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: as Dan found out, because replacing that cycling switch being logical, 180 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: knowing the car, understanding the customer, and able to make 181 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: them happy. It was if it's not the cycling switch, 182 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: it's something else, completely different, But let me at least 183 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: prove to him why it can't be or it can be, 184 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: and make him happy in the long run. The relationship 185 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: comes to the surface once again in a repair shop, 186 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: just as new means never ever worked. Eight five zero 187 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm running any of the car doctor. 188 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: The phones are lit up. Let's pull over and take 189 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: a pause. When the car doctor returns, We're gonna kick 190 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: the garage doors open, stay tuned a little, char Hey, 191 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: welcome back. We're eating of the car doctor rolling along 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: this hour. We want to we want to introduce and 193 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: welcome our new producer this hour, Quick Caroline, who's out 194 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: there talking with Tom as she's uh chatting it up fast. 195 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Harry is off today, so we welcome Quick Caroline to 196 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: the crew, and uh, welcome a board, kiddo, and have 197 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: a good run. Let's get over and talk to Joe 198 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: over on line one. Let's open up the owns and 199 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: see what's going on with Marylyn in Connecticut sixty must 200 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: thank Oh this is our Mustang that was overheating last week. Joe, 201 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: welcome back. How we make out? How you doing on OK? 202 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate all the help you've given me, and uh, 203 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: what's your last suggestion? Was to back down on the 204 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: timing two to four degrees and change the go to 205 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: a cooler range heat eight plugs. Just drop it down 206 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: one heat range. See if that makes any difference. And 207 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: that's what I did. So I got it down right 208 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: now it's running at two degrees before top dead center 209 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: and the spark plugs. I had a Auto L forty 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: five in there, and I went to A one twenty 211 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: four and it ran at the hundred and eighty degrees 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: for about twenty five minutes. And when I got into 213 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: traffic a little bit, it kind of like went up 214 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: to and when I got on the Parkway and I 215 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: got up to speed round sixty five, so it's a 216 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: climbed a little bit into hundred. But when I got 217 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: off and started cruising in the neighborhood again, it came 218 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: down down to Okay, so we're in the we're in 219 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 1: the ball game. We're better than it was. Oh yeah, definitely. 220 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: Now let me let me ask you. I don't remember 221 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: is this a stick or an automatic? It's an automatic 222 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Sea four and it has a lex light fan. Right. 223 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: How how close is the fan to the radiator? About 224 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: an inch and a half or so. Is there a 225 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: way to get it any closer? I could probably, Yeah, 226 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: i'd be a little tough getting to get on and off. 227 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, you know, because now we're down to listen, 228 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: you're in the neighborhood. Now you've got to dial it 229 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: in a little bit, So maybe move the fan, you know, 230 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: cut the distance in half. If it's an inch and 231 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: a half, and you can get a half inch space 232 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: or maybe at a half inch space or two it 233 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: and bring the fan a little closer. Don't rule out. 234 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Don't rule out you know, a factory fans set up either, 235 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: all right? Okay, I took that out for the flex light. Okay, 236 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: did you how long ago did you take that out? 237 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: At what point in this process did you replace the 238 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: one for the other? Oh? No, I did that a 239 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: while back when I put the three row in. Okay, 240 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: So don't don't rule out. Listen, a lot of engineering 241 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: goes into production cars, and the engineer built that fan 242 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: the way he did for a lot of reasons. And 243 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying flex fans don't work, but you know, 244 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: there are some moments where that that fan clutch can 245 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: come in handy and it can help with parasitic drag 246 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: and can also help with you know, engine power and 247 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: um it can do a heck of a job cooling 248 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: the engine at the right moments. So it doesn't have 249 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: the the clutch in there. Okay. So the factory fan 250 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: was just a straight was it? But this was an 251 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: a C car originally, wasn't it. Uh? It was put 252 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: in Okay, Okay, Now I got you, all right, I 253 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: thought this was a factory air car, right, okay, okay, 254 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: Then then I would stay with the flex fan. I 255 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: would move in a touch closer. And then the last 256 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: thing I would think of is is it not to 257 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: make this a real project? But I wonder what would 258 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: happen if you took the automatic trans cooler out of 259 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: the radiator, in other words, just bypassed it, mounted a 260 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: cooler somewhere else. Now we're going to get into the 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: ugly factor. Where do you put it? And how do 262 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: you keep the car looking original? I don't have a 263 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: trans cooler, So there's no trans cooler in the bottom 264 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: of the radiator. Oh the radiator itself? Right? Yeah, there 265 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: there is one in the bottom of the radiator, correct, Yeah, No, 266 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: So what if you bypass that? What if you what 267 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: if you disconnected from the radio Because you've got to 268 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: remember that trans fluid is now heating the coolant. Yeah 269 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: all right, So if we eliminate that, what's that going 270 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: to do for you? Does that help the cause? All right? 271 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: And that's something to think about. Two now you think 272 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: about let's go back to the three row all right. 273 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: The reason I told you to take the three row 274 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: out is because a three row radiator. If you look 275 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: at it the way they're designed in a lot of 276 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: cases that that that last row, the back row doesn't 277 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: really get good airflow. By the time this is my theory, 278 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: by the time airflow gets to it that cool it's 279 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: already passed through the radiator and hasn't a chance to 280 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: dissipate enough heat. So you're returning you know, comes in 281 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: hot and it goes out lukewarm, whereas the stuff in 282 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: the front two rows is hot to cold because it 283 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: has the ability to pull air through it. So you know, 284 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: that's the conversation about sometimes slowing down cool and flow, 285 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: you're better off you're giving that radiator a chance to 286 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: radiate and and and give off heat. So what's the 287 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: what's the normal temperature range? Probably just about where you 288 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: are now. Two oh five is about tops of where 289 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: i'd like to see that I can I can tell 290 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: one five is a good range. To ten would be 291 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: the high end of where I'd start to be uncomfortably. 292 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: After to ten, I'm saying, uh, now, what sort of 293 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: radiator cap do you have on this took um? That's 294 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: what they call for, all right, and just make sure 295 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the radiator caps working right. I won't bore everybody with 296 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: the conversation about what a radiator pressure caps supposed to 297 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: do in boiling point. Uh, you know, right, um, but 298 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: you may want to do that as well, just to 299 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: uh just just to try that. But you know, keep 300 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: in mind that you're you're in the dialing stage, all right. Listen. 301 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: It took me, it took me, oh two months of 302 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: playing to get the hot rod right. But the hot rod, 303 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: which is a black car, all right, flex fan because 304 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: that's the only thing I could find for it. And 305 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I have a five or six blade fan. I think 306 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: it's a six blade flex and I have it. The 307 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: first time I put the flex fan on the car, 308 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: I had I had it so close to the radiator 309 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: when I stood, when I when when I when I, um, 310 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: let's see, how can I say this delicately? Out of 311 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: heck with it? When I hit it, I actually pulled 312 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: the fan right into the radiator and choot up the 313 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: bottom tank, all right. So you know, sometimes you want 314 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: it as close as you can without the chance of 315 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: it hitting, all right. And then you know, once you 316 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: decided to established where that's gonna be, and you can 317 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: only change one thing at a time, once you established 318 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: where that's gonna be, then you're gonna take a look 319 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: at moving the trans cooler out of the radiator, and 320 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean just disconnecting it at the radiator and run 321 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: an auxiliary trans cooler. Does that make any difference? Okay? Yeah, 322 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: all right. And there's a lot of choices out there 323 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: in terms of what you can put on there, and 324 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, hide and just you just need some airflow 325 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: for it, all right, all right? And you know then 326 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: at that point, maybe cut timing back just to touch 327 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, you've got two degrees before top. Can you 328 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: take some of the top end timing out of it? 329 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Is there a way to control the total advanced down 330 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: from whatever you have? I think thirty eight? Can you 331 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: cut back to just to try it. You're in the 332 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: tuning stage, Joe. That's what this is all about now, 333 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: So play with it to your heart's content. At least 334 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: you've got a baseline to work from. I appreciate the call. 335 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm ron anating the card doctor. We'll be back right 336 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: after this. Hey, welcome back any of the car doctor here. 337 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: Let's get over and kick the garage doors open once 338 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: again and go over and talk to Chris who's wating 339 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: there very patiently with the team Ford and some problems 340 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: with his turbo and fuel injection. Chris, Welcome to the 341 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: car doctors, sir, How can I help good? What's going on? Um? Well, 342 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: I am, may you call it, a very maintenance minded person, 343 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: and I believe in maintaining relationship with my mechanic and 344 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: garages that are used. Both's going on in fifteen years? 345 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: Um So, I went, I just bought this new to 346 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: me uh Eco Boost F one fifty, which is the 347 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: first direct injection engine. I've had three sex right, and 348 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: I know about the carbon up issues on them U 349 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: versus the multiports. My multiport engine cars, they've had regular 350 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: fuel cleaning and no problems, regular transmission services, differential services, 351 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: radio cooling services, whatever they need. I wanted to establish 352 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: the same relationship with my new truck. Um So. One 353 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: of the questions was how often I asked them? How often? 354 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: Um and what kind of plan should I put in 355 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: my mind for induction system cleanings? They were basically telling 356 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: me that it's a no do on the Eco Boost 357 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: that's correct, yeah, yeah, and and here's and here's why. 358 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Because it's it's funny, I just I just attended the 359 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: forward class on eco Boost and sat through two nights 360 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: and listened to the instructors, and this question came up 361 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: more than once, um, particularly from the guy in the 362 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: third row in the blue shirt that raises his hand 363 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: and went, hey, how can we can't do carbon cleaning 364 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: on eco Boost? And they looked at me and went 365 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: because they're tired of getting this question. Um, the problem 366 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: is that, well, somebody's got to say it. The problem 367 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: is the problem is Chris, that they're worried about the 368 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: aromatics and the solvents that are in the cleaners getting 369 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: to the seals on the turbo creating bigger issues. Yeah, 370 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: and like washing down the bearings, right, Yeah, so it's it. 371 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: It becomes an issue. So the only way you can 372 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: really effectively at this time clean that vehicle's fuel injection 373 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: system gasoline direct injection, is by using a tank cleaner, 374 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: and that's adding a cleaner to the tank. And I 375 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: would tell you at least every oil change, or at 376 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: least every quarter, um, if it's in the budget, do 377 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: it once a month, depending upon the product you're using, 378 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: and you'll end up saving yourself money in the long run. Yeah. 379 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: I use um pends oil, ultra oil synthetic every five 380 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: miles you're on trying to use mobile or a Tier 381 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: one fuel. UM, here's the project the best I can, 382 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But it's not. Kind of 383 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: disturbed me about the whole thing. Was the only authorized 384 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: UM cleaning or repair for the KA boost engine is 385 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: either cleaning physically cleaning their head, removing and cleaning the head, 386 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: or replacing it under the warranties. You know, I was like, 387 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: you guys to me as a consumer, that disturbed me 388 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, I have a bump 389 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: of the bumper or extended on it for a hundred 390 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: and fifty but just people out there that don't do that, 391 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking a lot of books. Well, you 392 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: basically clean an engine that has an inherent design flaw 393 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion. And and remember this, Chris, you know, 394 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: extended warranties are great, but you never want to have 395 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: to use it because like assurance, right, it's it's you know, 396 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: it's just it just becomes another issue. So what I 397 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: would tell you to do is there's two products I'm 398 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: currently reviewing and I'm trying to decide because I see 399 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: good I see good in both of them ones b 400 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: G the folks over in b G products e G 401 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: prod dot com UM they talk about their intank cleaner 402 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: and their cleaning systems and Berryman Berryman Fuel System Cleaner UM. 403 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: Their name escapes me. At their website, just google Berryman 404 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: b E R R y M A n UM their 405 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: cleaning system as well. Both good in tank cleaners. UH. 406 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: They both claim to be safe for turbocharged engines. UM. 407 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: They're they're really under product review with me right now. 408 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: And I don't I mentioned this now because it's you know, listen, 409 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: you guys should know that I'm doing some research. I'm 410 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: always doing research. I'm always looking for the next better thing, 411 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: because it's it seems unfortunately, even when a company comes 412 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: out with a product that works, some manufacturer goes, ha ha, 413 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: we'll spring this on them, and then that product won't 414 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: work anymore. You'll have to create something else entirely. So 415 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: that's that's an issue. But some form of a fuel 416 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: system cleaner, because g d I engines do require it 417 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and it wouldn't hurt, you know, 418 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: depending on how any miles you go. I know some 419 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: people that do it once a month, And I know 420 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: people once a month that have got three hundred thousand 421 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: miles on g d I engines, that have done regular 422 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: oil changes, regular maintenance, regular fuel system cleaning, and they 423 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: laugh at you know, extended warranties because they don't need it. 424 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: And and that's that's you know, you get what you 425 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: pay for. You know, in a world, how can I 426 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: explain this, Chris, in a in a world that we 427 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: live in where it seems like nothing makes any sense. 428 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: We look at what our politicians and our leaders and 429 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: are alleged heroes tell us. Nothing they say makes any sense. 430 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: But yet in the world of automobiles, and maybe this 431 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: is why I still do this after forty three years. 432 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: It's always nuts and bolts. It always makes sense. If 433 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: you do this, you'll get that done. End of conversation. 434 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: And there's there's no other better way to say it. You, sir, 435 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: are a car guy. You're you're trying to do it. 436 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: You're changing the oil, right, You're using Pen's oil, good 437 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: quality oil. You're trying to put good quality gasoline in it. Uh, 438 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, just just take a look at BP. BP 439 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: makes a good gasoline, all right, if it's a elbow 440 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods. The one problem I 441 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: see with gasoline. I'm trying to learn not to be 442 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: gasoline dependent because I still hear the stories about in 443 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: EP eight pulling de turgents out of the gasoline. And 444 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: if you think we've got problems now, it's gonna be 445 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: an even bigger pile of problems later on because carbon 446 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: issues are gonna come back again. Like it's four and 447 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: GM just brought out port fuel injected engines. So it's funny. 448 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: I just was talking to my buddy about the same thing. 449 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: It's like it seems like we're back in time, even 450 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: with the the salts and stuff to use it on 451 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: the roads. Yeah, that's why I kind of I have 452 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: fun when I get back on my I have a 453 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: ninety one less than you see that. I basically took 454 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: a part in re bolt and restored it and put 455 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: it all that together. It made you feel It's where 456 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: I feel comfortable. You know what? It made you feel good? Right, Chris? 457 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think hot Roger therapy. You can go to 458 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: a therapist for two an hour. You can go take 459 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: something apart in your garage, clean and put it back together. 460 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: You know what makes you feel good? That's the other one. 461 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: The other one's got all the technology and IT and navigation, 462 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: and that this is just bare bones, raw manual transmission, 463 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: creaking moan car that you don't really have, a white 464 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: knuckle car that you drive, that doesn't drive you. You know, 465 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time as an a side. 466 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: And then then I'm gonna go, uh, you go down. 467 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with them, they're great cars. Go down. Buy 468 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: a new Camaro, a new Corvette, a new you know, 469 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: Shelby Mustang, whatever floats your boat right twenty years from now. 470 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: If they don't make a chip for that car, they 471 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: don't make an electronic shockups over for that car, they 472 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: don't make something electronic, that car is now a big 473 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: pile of plastic that you're gonna shred. But you take 474 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: that non computerized fifty five Chevy sixty nine, Camaro sixty 475 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, sixty eight Mustang. Nuts and bolts, they're always 476 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: going to be there, and so much so they're stamping 477 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: those cars out still today they're they're reproducing a lot 478 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: of body pieces. So there's something to be said about 479 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: working with your hands and putting together nuts and bolts 480 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: at uh. It kind of touches a person's soul and 481 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: it helps keep them, helps keep them saying in a 482 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: lot of cases, Chris, I appreciate the conversation, Sir. You 483 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: need me for anything else, you send me an email 484 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Ron at Card Doctor Show dot com and I'll get 485 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: some answers out to you. All right, kidd okay, Ron, 486 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: thank you very much. You're very welcome, sir. You take 487 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: good care. Thank you. I appreciate you being there. Zero 488 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. Hey, Steve Cook's coming up next. 489 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the Car Doctor. Stay tuned. We'll 490 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Y Hey, welcome back on 491 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: any of the Car Doctor. Real quick, let's get into this. 492 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: Steve Cook is a recurring guest here on the Car 493 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: Doctor as a former teacher in auto mechanics, and I 494 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: suspect he's still a current teacher into mechanics somewhere somehow, 495 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: because that's what Steve loves to do. I wouldn't know, 496 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: Steve if you was standing next to me, but suffice 497 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: it to say, it's like being at the carnival somebody else, hey, Ruben. 498 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: Everybody shows up to help, and Steve is always welcome 499 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: here as he tries to help us educate you on 500 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: what's going on with automobiles in the world that we 501 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: live in. So Steve, once again, welcome back, sir, Thanks 502 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Um. What's the what's the news today, Stephen? Well, Um, 503 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: about two months ago, I was up in Michigan. I 504 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: was taking some classes up there, and I've learned about 505 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: this new registry through the National Automotive Service Task Force 506 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: and uh, apparently from what I've read and then I called, 507 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: I actually called him and talked to him. Apparently that 508 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: if you're going to do any work on cars, it 509 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: requires anything with the vehical security systems on them. Um, 510 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna have to get a special I D 511 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: and stuff in order to do that. They call it 512 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: an l S I D yes from the for the 513 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: locksmith licenses. We call it in the trade. Right. Yeah, 514 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: when I talked to the guy, he said, this all started. 515 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: I didn't notice this all started back in two thousand 516 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: and eight, but they are there now there. Um, they're 517 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: going to implement this across the board with with all 518 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: the car manufactors. So it's got some real implications for 519 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: anybody that's in the automotive industry. Well, and you know 520 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: what one of those implications. You know, first of all, 521 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Stephen Steve, I think you know, because this is gonna 522 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: be retroactive, This is gonna go back to two thousand 523 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: to two thousand three, correct. You know, who in their 524 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: right mind wants to steal a fifteen year old Honda. 525 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: They're nice cars, They're not that nice, you know. It's 526 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: it's and sometimes we spend a good portion of the 527 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: day trying to cobble together junk on older cars that 528 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: if we could eliminate the system, we would save the 529 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: customer money in the long run. And you know, here's 530 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: let's let's let's make it a basic automobile again. We 531 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: don't need the electronics. You don't need anti theft on it. 532 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: How many GM products Steve uh, like ninety eight Buick UH, 533 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: the Sabers and you know that vintage with the UH 534 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: and you had a wire and a resistor at the 535 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: base of the steering column because the wire would break 536 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: up in the top and nobody wanted to pay for it, 537 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: and you would bypass the system. That way, you would 538 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: cheat the system. Or better yet, I had a Pontiac 539 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Grand Prix back in the day that the anti theft 540 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: module was no longer available and we had to create 541 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: a bypass. Doesn't that make sense? Well, yeah it does. 542 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: But when I was talking to this guy, one of 543 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: the things he said, it was a big concern. As 544 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's been there's been a lot of going 545 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: back and forth, is to who owns the software in 546 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: these vehicles now and all the information obtained, And the 547 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: guys said, basically just comes down to as much of 548 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: a privacy issue as anything else, is what the guy 549 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: was telling me. And the manufacturers are trying to find 550 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: a way to protect themselves and I think eliminate independent 551 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: repair shops to a degree or at least controlling the market. Well, see, 552 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing, and that's why I asked him. I 553 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: was talking maybe said he didn't really think so, and 554 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: he said here's why, said, because every technician, whether in 555 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: a deership or independent garage, is going to have to 556 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: go through this screening process and that in order to 557 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: get this license. This I d yeah, everyone. So, so 558 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: if if if you want to think about this for 559 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 1: a minute, how many modules on a car interact with 560 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: the security systems, the interlocks and that on the vehicle. 561 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, in terms of percentage I've got to 562 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: say two thirds of whatever is on the vehicle has 563 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: to go through the security system. Okay, so right, so 564 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: so so so so figurious for a minute. You gotta 565 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: let's say, you gotta replace a BCM on the car. Okay. 566 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: And of course when you're replace that, you've got a 567 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: program and what have you, and you're gonna have to 568 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: get it to handshake with the immobilizer module. Okay, you 569 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: don't have that. You don't have this l S I D. 570 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: It ain't gonna happen, right, you can't program it. And 571 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: one of the things I asked him to I said, 572 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: what if what if the security module was part of 573 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: say the PCM. I says, are they going to restrict 574 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: your access to the PCM and to the data and 575 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: things of that nature? I don't know. I mean, you know. 576 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: So the thing of it is is what what what's 577 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: really scary about this is I talked a bunch of 578 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: people about this, and very few people even know this 579 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: thing's coming down the line. Well that's you know, Steve, 580 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: That's like I've talked to people cently and I think 581 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Joel actually called you from the magazine with regards to 582 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: the Bluetooth scan tool technology. A lot of people aren't 583 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: aware of that in terms of the cars are gonna 584 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: beat now you're gonna be licensed to connect to the 585 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: car with a scan tool, Bluetooth technology, the hard wire 586 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: connector is going to be out the door in and 587 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: and how how are you going to work on the vehicle. 588 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: So there's there's clearly major changes coming. Listen, the clock 589 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: is gonna take us. But let's leave it here for now. 590 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: But I do want to say, Steve, as you get 591 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: more information, you're our guy in the field. You give 592 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: us a call and we'll we'll get up here. For 593 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: everyone else, Well, if anybody wants any information on it, 594 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: go to a s A dot com and all you 595 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: got these tool around our website, now take your right 596 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: to there where they can get the information. But if 597 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: you're a technician, are you better You better get on 598 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: this pretty quick because you're gonna be in a world 599 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: of hurt if you don't. Yeah, And as as always, 600 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: it's it's an always ever changing field. Steve. I appreciate 601 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: the conversation and we'll catch up again real soon. You 602 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: take good care, Okay, take care bye bye, I'm run 603 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: on any in the car. Doctor. We are back right 604 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: after this. Every high let me slip welcome back. Why 605 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: don't any of the Car Doctor let me say thank 606 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: you for spending time with me this hour and the 607 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: phone number. For the rest of the hour, We're not 608 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: get any calls, but for next hour's gonna be a 609 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero the Car Doctor number. Real quick 610 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: piece of email. This one comes to us from Bob's, Inc. 611 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: A long time listener. Hey Ron, for years, I've heard 612 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: you answered the question my car has been parked for 613 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: so long? What should I do before driving it? I 614 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: have a suggestion, maybe checking the gas pedal for free movement. 615 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Maybe something to add keep with the good work in 616 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: the show and being in New York City. Glad you 617 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: have the podcast available as well as a live show. 618 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: Bob z Um he has a two thousand ranger. What 619 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: started this was Bob Rotsey has a two thousand ranger. 620 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: Over the winter, he didn't really use it, didn't really run. 621 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: He took it to my my place upstate about her to 622 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: Triple on the thru Way. Kept feeling like there was 623 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: a madame to the gas pedal. When I hit the 624 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: country roads going up to Steve Hill, I put my 625 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: foot in the top of the hill, the gas pedal 626 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: stuck to the floor and I was able to pull 627 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: over to the shoulder shut it off. Yup, the gas 628 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: pedal was stuck. So he makes a good point. If 629 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: the vehicle has been sitting for a long period of time, 630 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: then it's a matter of crop a little oil on 631 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: the throttle linkolage to UM on the way to the 632 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: show today, coming from Brooklyn, people who asked me where 633 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: can I get where can they buy are A shirt? Well, 634 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: we're not selling Ori. Is this about T shirts? Against 635 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: You're at a uniform this week? I just want to 636 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: see I'm a r A shirt. Oh so, well, so 637 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: the listeners now they want Rondon any of the car 638 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: doctor T shirts? Now they want are A Automotive T shirts. 639 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Should we start selling our automotive shirt? Well, okay, 640 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: let's see. We'll talk about it after the show. But anyway, 641 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Tony, Thank you UM. And you know, 642 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: if anybody wants one, I guess well we'll have to 643 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: talk about that. That's a whole another conversation, Bob zinc. 644 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate the conversation and the thoughts about checking throttle 645 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: linkage very very good point. I'm running any in the 646 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: car doctor, reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 647 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: See you