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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Let's talk about the new word content healthcare.

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Speaker 1: The key is medical professionals and patients sharing their encounters

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Speaker 1: with the paranormal. How did you go about finding these people?

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Speaker 1: It's not at all that difficult. The folks that I

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Speaker 1: do conventions, of course, and give talks and so forth.

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Speaker 1: And when people learn that I'm a paramedic, though generally,

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Speaker 1: if they have a ghost story, it will segue into

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Speaker 1: something that relates to a hospital, Laura a medical experience.

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Speaker 1: And I've noticed over the years hospitals and psychiatric facilities

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Speaker 1: in the old days, of course they called them insane asylums.

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Speaker 1: I seem to happen far more than their their share

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Speaker 1: of paranormal activities associated with them. So people would just

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Speaker 1: bring me these stories and it continues to happen. Do

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Speaker 1: you know Sarah Grace Bunny Chance, she's a psychic paramedic.

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Speaker 1: She was on the program Monday Night with Us, and

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Speaker 1: I've been Sarah, but I don't know her personal If

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Speaker 1: she's a paramedic, she's all right. In my book, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, your first responders are the best. I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you one of my favorite I must sage.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things about America, which is

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Speaker 1: my home, and it's been very good to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: now a citizen. I'm very proud to do. One is

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Speaker 1: that the tradition of volunteerism here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: I respect for anybody that works the uniform and serves.

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Speaker 1: But it's amazing how many people in these communities are

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Speaker 1: willing to do a job, doing something entirely different, and

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Speaker 1: then at night they'll go lace up their boots and

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Speaker 1: they'll run into a burning building or take care of

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Speaker 1: a sick person. So I love that about this country.

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Speaker 1: What is your favorite haunted hospital? Probably would have to know,

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Speaker 1: not even probably, it would have to be the old

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Speaker 1: two Willa Valley Hospital in Utah, right outside Salt Lake.

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Speaker 1: It's no longer a hospital, but it has the same structure.

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Speaker 1: Of course. It's it's like a Halloween haunted place, now,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. It is. It's a full attacked Halloween haunted house.

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Speaker 1: So they took this old hospital and the place closed

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Speaker 1: down early two thousand and they just left everything when

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Speaker 1: they moved out. They didn't take the beds, they didn't

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Speaker 1: take the X ray machines. They didn't empty the sharps

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Speaker 1: contained which would contain the needle. I mean they left

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Speaker 1: pretty much everything in place, And so the people that

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Speaker 1: bought it turned it into a combination community center and

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Speaker 1: full contact haunted house attraction. Just so happens when people

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Speaker 1: go through on Halloween. Some of them know and some

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Speaker 1: of them don't, but the place genuinely is haunted. What

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Speaker 1: happened a long time ago to make it so haunted? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily a long time ago. I

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Speaker 1: think most hospitals have their ghosts. Certainly, everyone I've ever

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Speaker 1: been in his got a ghost story or two associated

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Speaker 1: with it. This one also had, until just a year ago,

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Speaker 1: a senior citizen's retirement for Sylvia on the back end

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Speaker 1: of it insisted living flash skilled nursing facility. So you

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Speaker 1: had people that were living actively in half the building.

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Speaker 1: The other half was abandoned, and right next door is

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Speaker 1: the town cemetery, which almost sounds too perfect to be true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Interesting take. Did you have some stories you

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Speaker 1: could share with us about that area? You know? I did.

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Speaker 1: I I've in twenty four years of doing this until

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Speaker 1: I went to the location is now called Asylum forty nine.

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Speaker 1: Until I went there, i'd never seen a full bodied apparition.

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Speaker 1: But that is the first and to this point only time,

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Speaker 1: I believe at least I've seen one. And I was

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Speaker 1: going through the Haunt on Halloween night, which how perfect

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Speaker 1: could that be? Exactly? And I decided that we were

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Speaker 1: going to after midnight, when the customers had left and

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Speaker 1: the place closed down. We would be locked in until dawn.

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Speaker 1: But before that I wanted to experience what the guests

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Speaker 1: and you know, even knowing where some of the monsters,

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Speaker 1: the zombies and so forth were, I still got more

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Speaker 1: It's very entertaining. And I saw this little girl dressed

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Speaker 1: I would describe her as looking kind of like Goldie Loots,

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Speaker 1: And she was quite happily based on her expression. Pulling

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Speaker 1: because the place is staffed by young people that range

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Speaker 1: And they've all seen Sarah, haven't they many of them haven't.

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Speaker 1: the energy of all those people coming through whose only

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Speaker 1: goal is to get scared in a such safe, healthy environment,

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Speaker 1: seems to fuel the activity. For eight or nine months

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Speaker 1: then you get to September, October, November, when the haunted

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Speaker 1: in full swing and things just explode. It's terrific. Why

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Speaker 1: does it seem, Richard, that children, hauntings or spirits of

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Speaker 1: children seem to be the scariest of almost any ghost

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but they just seem strange. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood hasn't helped Heather. No, that's true. I

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Speaker 1: love a good ghost story as much as anybody else.

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Speaker 1: Or don't get me wrong, but Hollywood definitely has kind

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Speaker 1: of got the ownership of the creepy child ghost story down.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't take that much makeup to make a child scary,

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Speaker 1: you know. You watch those kind of movies and you

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Speaker 1: see the adult ghosts and summer creepy summer. Not that much,

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Speaker 1: but there's something about the kids, the way they move,

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Speaker 1: the way that they are that you're absolutely right. And

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Speaker 1: I think that as a paranormal investigator, you hear stories

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Speaker 1: then you know the saying Hollywood knows how to play

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Speaker 1: it up too, with the right kind of music and

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Speaker 1: the sounds, you know, you know, just you know, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just creepy, isn't it. Well that's their job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why pay good money to go see that

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Speaker 1: and scared well, that's true. Who would you say has

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Speaker 1: the more of the paranormal experience the nurses, doctors, the paramedics,

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Speaker 1: the patients who comes across them more, hands down the nurses,

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Speaker 1: no question at all. I think it's because number one,

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Speaker 1: nurses have more prolonged patient care doctors, And of course

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Speaker 1: I have nothing but total respect for both professions. But

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Speaker 1: Nurses are more likely to spend extended time with individuals,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, by father, nurses by an order of magnitude.

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Speaker 1: I would say, George, what did some of the nurses

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Speaker 1: A surprisingly common one would be that when a patient

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Speaker 1: after would they would hear the coal button being pressed,

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Speaker 1: talked to one nurse who they had a room that

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Speaker 1: had a reputation for it always at a certain time

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Speaker 1: set the coal button. And this was, of course, after

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Speaker 1: the electricians had checked the wiring and replaced the components

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have any nurses, Richard, to tell you

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Speaker 1: that they were petrified scared by some of these things?

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Speaker 1: Not too many. And I think it's because nurses are

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Speaker 1: in order to do that job, you have to have

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Speaker 1: quiet the spider, you know, you have to have the

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Speaker 1: backbone you do. I mean, it's a job that takes

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Speaker 1: So they're professional. There's some of my favorite people in

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Speaker 1: I'd like you say, nurses are there all the time.

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Speaker 1: They are. They are the NCOs, aren't they of the

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Speaker 1: they really make things happen. Did they ever talk about

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Speaker 1: times interviewing nurses. Why are hospitals and asylums seemingly the

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Speaker 1: most haunted. My theory on that is that if you

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Speaker 1: all down to energy, isn't it, George, And you tend

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Speaker 1: to find very positive and very negative emotions are predominant

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Speaker 1: In other words, you have people dying, whether it's in

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Speaker 1: You have happiness, sadness, all at the same time, the

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Speaker 1: believe that that leaves a star, a psychic scarf, or

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Speaker 1: want of a better term. I'm sure there is a

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Speaker 1: I think I suspect some of them come and go

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Speaker 1: that they're not, you know, in residence all the time,

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Speaker 1: us after this life, and then drop on back when

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Speaker 1: tragic story. She had been in charge of her own

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Speaker 1: after her death she would come back. And what's interesting

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Speaker 1: pain medications were about to be administered, almost as if

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Speaker 1: there was a warning, you know, hey, make sure you

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Speaker 1: double check correct dose of this medication. Don't let what

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Speaker 1: happened to me, don't make the same mistake. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but they all have a sense of beauty, is what

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Speaker 1: I've seen with nurses, George, and I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that they see that seems to apply after they leave

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